The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 335 (Best of 8/19/24-8/23/24)

Episode Date: August 25, 2024

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all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laugh stravaganza uh yeah so without further ado here is the weekly zeitgeist uh miles you are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a journalist who's been published in places like The Guardian and Slate. You probably already follow her on Twitter at Socialist Dog Mom for her in-depth investigative work on white supremacists, neo-Nazis, and hate groups in the U.S. Her new podcast for Cool Zone is Weird Little Guys. Please welcome Molly Conger! Molly! What an intro. Glad to be here.

It was weird to do that big intro when we were just talking. So let's pretend I didn't just scream, Molly! But anyway, Molly, what's up? Thank you for joining us. Yeah, I'm pumped about it. The show's so good. Weird Little Guys. Well, yeah, we're going to get into it that the timing like i'm just curious to hear how it felt as the entire democratic party kind of coalesced around the messaging of like what if we called these guys weird like as your podcast was about to come out basically making that point i mean like cynically that's marketing

you couldn't engineer right that's incredible the se. Right, for sure. The SEO on that is beautiful. But at the same time, people are like, oh, you're just aping Democratic messaging. It's like, I don't... First of all, this is my first job in audio media. So maybe people don't know, but the production cycle on this show, if we could turn around a whole show

from the day Tim Waltz called him weird, like the trailer came out like two days later. Like, do you think the art department mocked this up yesterday? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, does the podcast take like two, three hours? Is that what we're looking at here? And nobody could have thought of like

that way to describe these weird dudes. No, I haven't been saying that for literal years. And that's why the show is called that, right? It's like in a meeting months ago, I was, you know, we're sort of talking about production of the show. It was like a regular like work business meeting. And I just can't help myself.

I'm always looking at a weird little guy. So I'm, you know, interjecting, you know, how is everybody's day going? What are we doing? And I'm like, oh, you guys, I just found the weirdest little guy. And so if you wrote it down in your little notebook, and that's why it's the name of the show.

Cause like, I'm always looking at a weird guy. Yeah. Yeah. The only way to, only way to describe it. And that's why it's the name of the show. Cause like, I'm always looking at where you're going. Yeah. Yeah. The only way to, only way to describe it, only way to describe it. What is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are?

I, I have been searching a thing from my childhood, which is the characters in a like game franchise called backyard sports. There was just an announcement today that there's going to, they're going to bring back the backyard sports games, which are the names are just like backyardyard Football, Backyard Baseball, Backyard Soccer. And I played it for PC all the time. And it has a very passionate, devoted fan base, I think, of kids who played it.

And they just posted a trailer today that it's going to come back. Yeah, and that's right, Victor. It's awesome. I'm seeing a chat already in the taping. We're loving it. This is like that gap where, okay, so it came out in 97. I'm in seventh grade. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm off that. I'm like, what? Backyard sports? What is this? And then I'm like, oh, yeah, this is the era of me being like a cool teenage kid. Producer Victor in the chat wrote, yo, that's pretty exciting. Double X.

There it is. Alex, I hate to break it to you that Victor's chats are actually unrelated from the conversation we're having. He just does that throughout the thing based on what's going on in his living room. I think he's probably watching a replay of the Dodgers game.

He saw a good bird outside. Yeah. It wasn't backyard sports. He just said, I just wanted slots. Wait, where are you? Hey, you're not at the casino again, are you, Victor? I just wanted slots. Yeah, remote work, man.

It happens. Wait, are the games just like super simple video game versions of sports? Like, you know, baseball or dodgeball or stuff like that? Yeah, I'd say it's the right simplicity. It's fun and tough, but it's simpler than a super realistic Madden or FIFA or something. And it also,

I don't know if he knew or got word of it, but a couple days ago a real baseball player named Bobby Witt Jr. had a custom bat with the player Pablo Sanchez printed on it. Pablo Sanchez is a character in the Backyard Sports, and the best one, he's a secret weapon. So it's

very fun that this is, like, back. I feel like I'm a child again. It's great. I love that. Superducer Justin said, a bit like Wii Sports without the motion detection, I think. Low stakes fun. I'm just looking at the Backyard Sports characters for the first time.

They're drawn in a way where, very cute, their eyes are extremely close together, which leads me to believe that they are predators. They're extremely dangerous predators who don't require peripheral vision.

Eyes facing forward and extremely close together't require peripheral vision. Eyes facing forward and extremely close together. No peripheral vision. They're always moving forward in attack mode. So, that's my guess. Would kind of be bad at those sports that require any kind of spatial awareness, though. Like, they're terrible on defense.

But, man, they can fucking rush a fastball. Wait, a guy was cutting behind me?'m sorry man i just saw the guard bringing the ball up the court i shouldn't exist is there feedback to coaching i had a an experience where i was at my parents house for a couple weeks and reading books off their shelf to my kids and came across a book from a series that I realized was read to me from age like three to five. It was like a big part of my world and I totally forgot it existed. It's called Sweet Pickles. Has anybody ever heard of Sweet Pickles? I don't know. The books are not great and they're like from the late 70s

which i was like oh yeah i yes i i i remember these being in my school library yeah they were all over the place when i was a kid i think they yeah they came out late 70s and then early 80s they were all over the place the story was a complete disaster uh that i read to my kids yeah just a mess it's about a where they're just like dad what is this shit they're like why is the fish in a space suit i'm like i don't he like wants to be out of water i guess but like they don't even mention that shit they just like have one of the characters a fish in a space suit like in a water space suit but then he's like jumping over a river which he but he treats the river like it's not full of his natural habitat water but i mean maybe he's a saltwater

fish anyways sweet pickles check it out or don't what is something blake that you think's underrated making nachos at home uh is, is an underrated thing. Cause. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I believe ordering them nacho delivery is insane.

Like, I think we can agree. Yeah. That's insane. That's absolute foolishness. You cannot order nachos to your home. No. Now there was a place that we would order a nacho kit from where the ingredients would come

separately which was kind of cool so it wouldn't mush up yeah but still you might as well just have the ingredient you know what i mean like it was being marked up in a way that it didn't yeah it's a little embarrassing cup of yes five dollars for this little cup i can get a can for two yeah it's like yeah i also order up pieces of an inhaler um for one every time i need to use a loose albuterol there are some times during the pandemic when like we would order food and they'd be like all right here are the ingredients and like it's up to you to kind of put it together and i just felt humiliated oh yeah the best was when subway

was selling their shit like their stock or you know you can buy a fucking whole bag of tuna fish yeah that's right and i'm like yeah yeah that's what i like open up those open up those fucking cupboards and is it measured out before they put in a bag no not just the bag just loose yeah just loose if you know the guy you hooked up. They give you a heavy one. So what, you're making your own? What's your home recipe? So we'll go

chips and then we'll add a few things. And then we bake them twice. Twice baked nachos. We put them in the oven, pull it out, put it back in. No,

uh, chips, obviously the cheese, we'll add a little, uh, crema on there. Oh, yeah.

Clam. And then the key we'll put like whatever trees, oh, whatever on it. And then add extra stuff afterwards. So you can't bake it. We'll put some salsa on it but you can't do that for the whole duration of melting the cheese you know what i mean that comes out then

yeah yeah a little bit of sour cream some okay what else will we put on wait crema and sour cream we'll do one or the other we'll do i prefer like a dairy like a thick a thick dairy and we don't want you to feel judged here, but that's fucking disgusting. We don't want you to feel judged, but you're giving yourself an allergy. Like you've trained your body. Like you're buying like the Kashike brand, like grandma. They got that in their mouth. But yeah, no, I will.

Yeah, we will. Yeah, for sure. Okay. No, but we like to mix that up. And, um, and then just like the other stuff that you put on there. Yeah. But yeah, no real deviation. Blake, have you ever made nachos at home?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you put like popcorn on there. This sounded like a four-year-old virgin poker game scene where you had sex before. If you're going to put me on the spot, you know, the frosted flakes on the side. An entire bag of sand. Sand, bags of sand, bowls. Yeah. A root vegetable, unwashed, and dirt.

Potatoes. Vegetable. Yeah, yeah, great, great. But yeah, no, it's also you can make as much as you want is the fun part. So, like, you can eat until you're sick where, you know, it's a limited serving size. I think, and this is an important question, are you a fan of just the canned cheese? Like, you know, high school football game style chemical nacho cheese versus, like, melting the shit on? Not on nachos, but on, like, cheesesteaks I'll eat it, you know?

So, it's not an aversion to the fact that it's not like a food. But you prefer a real cheese nacho. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's not a food recognized by nature or the laws of nature, but I will happily eat it. You can put that all over your skin and like go into the sea and not get a sunburn. It's really good. That's your regimen.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Blair, what's something you think is underrated okay so i don't know if you guys are involved in this or not and maybe the rest of the country right now probably wouldn't agree that this is something that's underrated but for me the amount of joy it has brought me this summer love island usa i'm sure it's been brought up but i don't think so i had never seen love island before this season obviously i got involved due to one ariana maddox i had never seen any of the uk seasons and i became so immersed because it's on every night yeah so like i started to become very irritable should something interfere with my 6 to 7 p.m. program. And I had to be home every night from 6 to 7.

It was just incredible. It's over now. And who knows if I'll continue watching past this. But it was an incredible moment in time. And I encourage everyone to watch it. I've seen the UK version and I remember during the summer, like one summer when I was there,

like the people we were staying with, it was they're like, yeah, we'd love to go out, but Love Island is about to come on. So no. And I was like, fuck. But yeah, I get it. I like a show that's on that consistently that has this kind of drama

that's easy to follow and intrigue. But yeah,'t watched this latest season in the of the u.s version i've never heard it like i didn't realize it was something nightly like there's something dystopian futuristic about it but also really nostalgic like the radio nightly after dinner in like 1936 or something right right yeah gather around the victorola as we listen to love island yeah i really enjoyed it though it also sounds like what like a beach boy song from that era would call having sex with someone is like taking them to love island usa absolutely took her on down to love that's definitely like a boardwalk t-shirt it's like ask me how to get to love island usa it's like a crude drawing of like finger hand circle gesture and it's like

uh the boardwalk shirts man i'm the captain god boardwalk shirts incredible and it they're putting a new show out every day yeah i mean it's over now like i don't know when the next season will come out if it's not till next summer or something like that um but while it was on it was every day yeah that's wild that's i mean i'm not just saying that because we have one but like the the amount of editing and all the work that has to go into a reality show yeah and it's like so it's it is odd that you're watching it like i think they edited it's like from the day before so you're really watching it in current time it's pretty well it's crazy i think it was only like six weeks long but it was like hours and hours of tv and then really fast i

i'm not gonna even elaborate on it but um ladies in blue on apple tv it's in full spanish and it's really good show oh is that the one about the cops yes yeah yeah i just got apple plus tv or tv whatever it's called because i got an ipad so it came with three months of that but i that's a good one that's what i've i'm seeing that ad a lot oh really i hadn't seen an ad like because apple tv does not advertise at all and it has the best shows far and far and wide above any streamer it's like there's so many good shows on there obviously i'm a tv freak but amazing what is uh what's something you think is overrated okay i'm sure someone has already said this but it is really

um trapping my ass and that is this demure bullshit stop Stop saying demure. The word is ruined forever. And if I see or hear that, I'm going to block you. Yeah. Oh, shit. I mean, that TikTok trend. Ruined my life. Yeah. I heard that that TikTok person got invited to the DNC.

Yeah. That feels right. I'm happy for her that I think she's transitioned. I think I read that it paid for her that like, I think, I think she's transitioned. Like, I think I read that like it paid for her transition and I was like, okay, I'm glad like this, all these wonderful things came out of that. But I just hate like when something becomes so ubiquitous like that, like where I feel like they can't breathe their escape. Right.

Right. And it's also not like when people say it, it's just like a reference. I've, I've not seen it used in a way that's like funny or interesting yeah it's just a hey this is a word right yeah we're just saying demure right okay right okay and i liked the word demure before this like that was in my rotation and now i can never say it again until my last time wow yeah so you're like I knew that band before they were big no no it's not even like that it's not even like that I was using demure in 98 okay damn all right no it's I I find it annoying as well and I'm if I sound distracted it's not because

I'm editing demure out of the outline for the rest of the show. Yeah. All my demure references. One more point to that. Like, I am not one of those people that is like, I have to claim my obscure knowledge and interest in something before it got popular. Because I like a lot of really popular things. Totally. Specifically, you know, like huge fantasy franchises

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And yeah, so just to kind of give people an introduction, although everybody should just go listen to episode zero where you do a beautiful job of giving an introduction to the premise of the show. But one of the ideas is that these people who, you know, organize the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, stage domestic terrorism, storm the Capitol on January 6th, they are associated with these big ideas and huge historical trends but ultimately they often turn out to be just some guy you compare it to the end of a scooby-doo episode except scooby-doo doesn't have the courage or run time to then like spend an hour digging into the weird backstories of the people under the masks but you do you you tell us what the fuck is going on with these people and it's it's endlessly entertaining is there an example that you use to explain the premise of your show to someone who asks like

what your podcast is about oh man they should have should prepare me better for this marketing right um no but like you said the idea is that they're all just these kind of sad little freaks and they they want us to believe that they're like the second coming of hitler right that they're mighty and powerful and impressive and and you should be very scared of them and that is a compliment that gets like thrown around or like people are like this person might be the second coming of Hitler. And that's good! That's what he wants. He wants you to think, oh, it's this powerful

monster. And I'm not saying the things that they did are not serious. At the end of an episode of Scooby-Doo when they unmask the caretaker who's been haunting the mansion, he still did what they think the monster did. But he's not a monster he's just

the weird old caretaker right right no so i mean i don't want to spoil any future episodes but for the two episodes that are out now you know the first one was um an exploration of kevin strome he was a member of the neo-nazi group national alliance and you know he thinks of himself as this sort of learned intellectual of race science and race purity and he makes this little show every week since the 90s and he's a pedophile right he has been to prison for child porn and he's um his commitment to racial purity is so extreme that he won't let the foods on his plate intermingle because that's too much like race mixing. Oh, wait. Yeah. Okay. Right. Yeah. Like you can't put gravy on mashed potatoes

because that's miscegenation of flavors. Yeah. So I do the normal thing. I put it in a little teacup and I, and I sip it while I have a one bite after I fully swallowed the mashed potatoes. But I mean, like to your point, right? Like whenever we hear about these like violent plots or these groups that have like, you know, acted out like all kinds of wild violence in physical space, like we create this image in our mind of like some fucking master criminal, like with no soul that if like we saw on the street, we would immediately be like, oh my God, run in the opposite direction. This person is fucking scary and they're dangerous. And like clearly it's clear that all these guys are like not even close to being some god run in the opposite direction this person is fucking scary and they're dangerous and like

clearly it's clear that all these guys are like not even close to being some kind of cloaked marvel super villain and like we would run in the opposite direction if we saw them on the street because they're literal just fucking creeps what do you think is like the like obviously there's a power to demystifying our sort of like reflexive tendency to be like, oh, this person, because like what they're into is so odious and dangerous that they themselves must be dangerous. But like, it's clear that you find there's a way to sort of, by taking the curtain back, we're able to just sort of reckon with these kinds of characters or, you know, not characters, human beings and like a much more objective, but while also being like, look, these aren't the kinds of people who are like absolute, like these masterminds that we do need

to fear. Is that sort of part of it? I know at one point you said it's not about, it's about understanding the creeps, like in every facet of our lives that they do exist, right? And I think, you know, on a broader social level, just, you know, emotionally, understanding that this isn't some sort of amorphous ontological evil is empowering right because like right you can't fight a monster that's disempowering it feels like well this is just this is something we can't change there there are monsters in the world and it's just a guy it's just a guy who's afraid to talk to women right it's a guy who got a free sex doll head

because he complained to the fucking customer support. And you're like, oh, okay. Huh. That's weird. But he's making bombs too? Yeah. Well, yeah. He is. He knows how to make a pipe bomb, but he's fucking a used sex doll.

Right. You're like, oh. Yeah. Now it's giving me the creeps in a completely different way, for sure. he's fucking a used sex doll. Right. You're like, oh, yeah. Now it's giving me the creeps in a completely different way, for sure. Yeah. The episode about the Civil War reenactment false flag is so wild.

But before we get into the details of that, I do just want to talk about this idea of weirdness because it has become the focus for the Democrats in the presidential campaign. And it happened as you're preparing to launch a show focused on the weirdness of right-wing fascists, their policies, their personalities. What was it that made you focus in on weirdness? Like, based on the content, it feels like it just naturally took you in that direction. But first of all, what was it like to have that emerge as like a central Democrat talking point?

And do you have an opinion on like how they're doing with regards to calling it out? Yeah, I mean, I think arriving at the idea that, you know, talking about these guys in the context of their idiosyncrasies and their weirdness, the fact that they're out of step with the world arose naturally for me, right? Like, I'm researching these guys in the context of domestic terrorism

and trying to understand that and something I keep coming across is like everything about the way they engage with the world is weird, right? Like it's not just their ideas about race, their ideas about the Jews or their ideas about how political power should be achieved mainly through violence. on a personal level. These things are intertwined. They have all these ideas about whether women should be able to vote because they just have weird ideas about how the world works. And so that was sort of a natural progression for me. And I think separately, the Democrats have recently arrived at the same place that their weird personal lives and the weird shit they want to do to your personal life are obviously related yeah it feels like for the

longest time like prior to this like we were using very like academic terms to like accurately describe like their ideologies so it's like well they're these are ethno-nationalists these are proto-fascist but like you know what i mean like it does in a way it clearly identifies like where their you know political might help like where their ideologies lie in terms of like a political spectrum. But the weird sort of cuts through that to not only be like, well, it is weird to already be so like, and like, like the race mixing is terrible. It's like, what are you? A fucking civil war ghost? Like, what the fuck are we talking about?

But the weirdness, it does sort of, in a way, help sort of cut through, I think a lot of these, like sort of very academic terms help sort of cut through i think a lot of these like sort of very academic terms that are used to accurately describe them and really sort of remind people of like maybe what is sort of what we consider normal for the most part in terms of like it's not being obsessed with people's genitals it's not being obsessed with like children's genitals it's not being obsessed with like you know miscegenation or whatever these things are that these are all like all of these things that they believe are weird are actually normal. And now it's it is actually them now that has crossed over into this space.

So I feel like that was sort of like the one thing that I was like, oh, I think it's it's able to connect in a much easier way for people because it's much more conversational. But it does feel like a little bit I'm sure you're a bit frustrated as someone who's been reporting on this for a long time, not to be, not necessarily that it's like the Democrats, but that, that the warnings about being like, these people are dangerous. Wasn't sort of enough until it's like, Oh wait, they're weird. We're getting a ratings bump from being interested in this. Like, yeah, you know, better late than never. I'm not complaining. It's a weird coincidence, but I think the reason it cuts to the quick so badly for them the reason it's like so shockingly hurtful to them to be called weird is because their

whole ethos is that we are the arbiters of what is acceptable and what is normal and we want to return to this 1950s norman rockwell of imagined American life. And that's what's normal. And so you're the ones that are weird for, you know, continuing to move forward in a society that progresses with time. Right. And so saying like, actually, that that's not normal. You're the weird one. You're the weird one. It undercuts their their belief about, you know, their reason to exist. And their their personal lives so often fall completely out of line with that ethos that they claim to like i they or it's in line with it but it's just like a weird when you first encounter they're like well all i care about is families

and then you see like the strange directions it spins off into and then you look at their personal lives it's I don't know I guess I guess it's unexpected at first and then it's like totally expected once you take the time to think about it I mean like the it's you know spoiler for this week's episode but like you know these guys who want to talk about you know traditional white values and western civilization and you know restructuring society so so that we have you know traditional western values one of civilization and, you know, restructuring society so that we have, you know, traditional Western values. One of the guys in this terror cell was making degrading hardcore pornography. And it's like, that's not that's not the world you're talking

about building. Right. Right. Well, yeah. I mean, from your perspective, from like looking at all these people for years and, you know, even like this latest episode with the civil war reenactor like is it that they're just that they're sort of repressing some dimension of who they are and that's that's manifesting then and like this like externalized hatred of people that like might intersect with their own like weird interests or feelings or how do you sort of look at these people sort of through the prism of like what they're espousing but also the context of like their personal lives like how like how do those things in or interact like in terms of like how you've how you've looked at these people oh that's that's a question for a psychologist

i mean sometimes these sometimes these manifestations are like a desire to control like a lot of fascists they want to control society just the way they want to control their wife or their children and so for a lot of pedophiles they want to control society just the way they want to control their wife or their children. And so for a lot of pedophiles, it's about the exertion of control over a powerless victim. And that's kind of what they want to do to society. But I don't know. I don't think the cognitive dissonance matters to them at all. Like, you know, you see a lot of white supremacists with Latino wives, like that cognitive dissonance is irrelevant to them. that cognitive dissonance is irrelevant to them. Right. So like there's no making sense of it as a psychological drive. It just, the rules don't apply to me.

I'm just going to do this to society. Yeah. Because psychology is like not a thing. It's not even like a series of concepts in their head. They're just like, yeah, this is what I do. They're like my shadow self. The fuck are you talking about?

I mean, maybe we can like necromancy. I mean, I can't even askud and get him to take a look at this like for years i had this nazi cyber stalker who would send me these messages that were like really graphically about like sexual fantasies involving feces yeah and it's like that that doesn't involve me right right maybe you should talk talk to sigmund freud about that like you're stuck in the anal development stage or something. I don't know. So mixed bag.

is not this amorphous ontological evil, right? He's driven by very strange demons and a lot of scatological, you know, shit. And then, but then I feel like, I don't know, it popped into my head when you were talking about Richard Spencer, like when he first came on the scene years ago and it felt like the mainstream media was like into him, you know? Yeah.

They're like, Oh, finally, like a handsome, well-spoken Nazi and a guy we can put on TV. Right. Because he looks normal. Yeah.

They want a Nazi that is like central casting of a fascist in a non-comedy movie. But when you look at them it's just dr strange loves all the way down right just time after time it's like nah they have like weird suppressed urges and repressed repressed ideas that are like bursting out of them in these strange ways but it does yeah the real richard spencer is the richard spencer in that leaked audio from the evening of unite the rights like the rally got canceled they didn't get to give their speeches because there was a terrorist event and he was so mad that he didn't get to give his speech he's like purple in the face screaming

about how like they don't get to do this to me they don't get to do this to me. They don't get to do this to me. And he starts busting out racial slurs that you would have to look up in a dictionary. Like I think he called someone an octoroon or something. Oh, wow. Yeah. Taking it all the way back. But just like that sort of petulant,

childish rage. Like you could put a suit and tie on a Nazi, but he's still just an angry little guy. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I mean, because I think so many of these people have like very similar like similar themes in their lives which are they're operating in this bizarre parallel reality but when they're like forced to reconcile their perceived world and the one they actually live in they just go deeper into the into the void because it's just that like that record like

that sort of dissonance is like too much it's like no no and now they like sort of increasingly become more hell-bent on bringing their fantasy world to life like upon the rest of us and it's like when they inevitably fail and realize they don't have the power or means to create the world they typically will just resort to violence or destruction because if i can't make something then i can destroy it and either way like i think there's just that feeling of powerlessness that has to be addressed and this sort of direction construction of this alternate reality it just keeps coming up sort of recurring theme in these stories that i'm telling like i think this got left out of episode one but after kevin strome was arrested for possession of

child pornography he so he was the webmaster for a neo-nazi group so he knew how to use the internet right he was he was an internet guy you know from the 90s so early internet adopter and he made a website that convincingly looked like an actual local news outlet and he peppered in like real local news stories stuff about the weather stuff about you, just like local goings on. But like every third article on this fake newspaper website was about how, well, actually, Kevin Strome isn't a pervert. In other news, right? Like, what?

Like, this guy would be a lot of Kevin Strome content on this. That's, it's like, I mean, it's the exact same thing, like even with the Civil War reenactor guy, like also creating fake news articles. Like, but he was such a boomer. He's, like, cutting and pasting shit onto physical paper and then Xeroxing it and be like, you seen this article? And it's like, what? Sharing it with, like, a teenager he's working with.

Yeah. He's like, okay, man. I don a bunch of people it's like what newspapers that doesn't matter man it happened it happened to you too huh yeah yeah but it but it is like this very weird and then like even like this the sex doll thing like it's a about insulating themselves truly in this world of half-truths or total fabrications. They want to live in a cigarette ad from a 1955 issue of Good Housekeeping. The world you're imagining was never real. Not only can you not go back to it, it was never real. That world was on quaaludes. Right, exactly. She's so high.

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We're back. Remember that? Poltergeist 2? An ad from 1984. Remember that, guys? Yeah, man. All right. So big big news i don't watch scary movies you know i'm too weak for that yeah that one's scary that was poltergeist 2 scary i think poltergeist fucked me yeah poltergeist fucked me all the way up i don't even remember i don't know if i ever saw poltergeist 2 but i saw the trailer at the first movie i ever watched in a theater which was rocky for the

trailer for poltergeist 2 played and i was very frightened it looks like the still image from the trailer looks like a character that walton goggins could play of course well he could play anything oh yeah of course uncle baby billy like 10 years in the future baby yeah oh yeah that's uncle baby billy that's uncle baby billy got yeah, that's Uncle Baby Billy. That's Uncle Baby Billy. He got them good teeth in his mouth. Yeah, that guy freaked me the fuck out. And he's terrified. And he's just an

old man in a hat. Nothing creepier. His general vibe is very frightening. Caroline! That's what that guy's saying? Caroline! No, no no no no no i'm with blair i don't i don't need that shit i'm already like i have enough anxiety like nervousness in my life i don't need fucking content to amplify that um caroline come toward the light and the light is a tv i have one of those in my home that's scary as fuck i could

be carolyn all right and that's just a preview of the type of content you won't be getting on chick-fil-a's streaming service wait chick-fil-a i feel like we might have mentioned this earlier maybe not but it seems like a joke as a headline but just when you thought streaming entertainment couldn't be any more dire news just broke that chick-fil-a is quote moving aggressively into the entertainment space with their very own streaming platform they will license and create original family-friendly shows most of which will be unscripted so you know wow fun incredible

Chick-fil-a reality shows or documentaries I'm sure it's really in-depth documentaries about you know yeah why Chick-fil-a is a good place for a 12 year old to work just kidding Chick-fil-a if you're listening to this I'm available to be paid 100 million dollars to be filmed doing mukbangs of eating chicken.

Thank you. Mukbangs of chicken. Thank you. You do mukbang content? I have incredible plans to do, to transition fully into being a TikTok mukbanger. Wow. Yeah.

I love, wait, okay. I would love to know more about that. But like a chaste version, don't get any freaky ideas, you sickos out there, okay? I'll be fully clothed up to my chin, just absolutely plowing through some chicken and burgers. Actually, this might be a fit, Blair. Yeah.

The Chick-fil-A, like just you're wearing like sister wives like wear, like a turtleneck, long sleeve, everything. And then just gorging on Chick-fil-A. But you have to do your hair like super Southern conservative style, like big, big and high. That's right. Someone has a shotgun to the back of my head off screen.

That's actually part of why I like it. I love this show. Eric, put my favorite show it. I love this show. Eric, put my favorite show on. The Mukbang Girl. I actually love that we're not able to stream on Sundays. I think that's very good. It doesn't work on Sundays.

Catch the eating chicken on Saturday. Yeah. So this isn't a total shock for those of us who monitor Chick-fil-A closely. Last year, the company released a job posting looking for a, quote, entertainment producer for a new app. That doesn't even sound like a real job. We knew it was. Yeah, I know, right?

Can I get an entertainment producer? One entertainment producer. Hey, they're new to the space, Miles. Oh, my God. That's like when I see producer on Hinge. I was like, what does that mean yeah like are you soundcloud are you like uh no i i actually once i moved about four flats of uh crystal geyser water from a soundstage to a transpo van but you know i mean i used to i used to when i was like a

pa i would be like yeah i'm gonna produce i'm a production assistant yeah yeah i'm facilitating the production anything so this is where it gets weird though so chick-fil-a and none of the uh previous part was weird is what i'm saying uh so chick-fil-a has already been producing entertainment and we just like didn't notice because we have better things to do with our lives. But their YouTube page has an original animated series about like my friend and I were talking about this.

My friend is a writer who's, you know, struggling like many writers are. We're talking about this streaming service and we're like, what is it going to be like those cows from the ads? Like just like an expanded universe of like the cows who can't spell that much but like can still write uh telling us to eat chicken and i was like joking when i said that they already have like an animated series where those cows are basically domestic terrorists that routinely target a burger chain that murders and sells their friends and family and

it's aimed at kids and it's about domestic terrorism and like these people these cows being mad that they're being murdered there's also like Coca-Cola product placement all over the place but it has 5 million views

on the most recent one that like went up a week ago uh there's an earlier one from last year that has 32 million views oh so i'm like very confused and slightly suspicious over those numbers like i don't want to say because i'm sure they're like more sophisticated than that, despite the fact that they they're posting said entertainment producer. Right. I'm assuming they have like people who are telling them more detail about the metrics and like where those viewers are coming from, because it would be very funny if they like just got fooled by like a social media firm

that's like buying clicks and views to their video. Look how successful it is. Look at this we're gonna double down and launch an entire streaming platform because of these hello hollywood are they gonna charge people for this that's a great question or is it just like that because that's the difference i'm like nobody is i don't give a fuck what's on there nobody's fucking buying chick-fil-a streaming service but unless it's like you know they try and get people in like buy a fucking kids meal or some shit maybe but even then the content doesn't make sense like brands that make like content like this it always fucking stinks so maybe it is just a way

for them to like create more i mean because obviously the family that owns chick-fil-a is super conservative and freaking out there with it so yeah maybe this is just their way to be like yeah man we got people to sit through some weird white supremacist ethno-national cartoons right uh or or talk shows you know for kids is there get the message out like a conceivable you know because i like all bets are off after like skibbity toilet seeing the view counts on skibbity toilet realizing i don't know anything about youtube is there a world where people are that into chick-fil-a and that they want to see like an expanded universe of

those cows no okay everyone thinks because one movie barbie that everything is like an ip now exactly and now we are barbie fucked it fucked us so hard in a way i hadn't realized one well done just one in a million yeah uh execution and now we're all ruined forever. Right. Now it's like, what about our cow billboards? Can that be a show? No, the ones that misspell more when they're like, eat more chicken. No, no, no, I can't. I just know DJ Tanner is going to be at the top of their list.

She's going to be a huge get for them. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Like showing you how to make other meals out of like chick-fil-a meals or something no no and her video being like i watched the opening ceremonies of the olympics and i was just sad to be honest i was just so sad to have christ be demigrated i'm like wasn't christ it wasn't christ but jesus christ but yeah i mean like i guess the one thing that they do have is the fact that the like the kathy family or the guy the owner

is like behind one of the biggest like physical production spaces outside of hollywood he he so he he's spent millions and millions of dollars turning a bunch of farmland in atlanta into like a massive the biggest movie studio or production studio outside of burbank in the united states so issued all the marvel movies there man so right maybe we'll get a christ level marvel level christ superhero they've uh just just around your question of like are they planning to charge for this they might have ulterior motives they've also been releasing in addition to uh their wildly popular cows uh fighting for the against the slaughter of their uh brethren for kids they've also been releasing an animated christmas series called The Stories of Evergreen Hills for years. And that series has been violating privacy laws by harvesting personally identifiable information about of people who are interested in chick-fil-a and

question mark question mark control the world uh five thousand cash signs god anyway yeah look zeitgang let us uh our am i look chick-fil-a came laid out to the west coast so i don't know if maybe these are time are honored cartoons everyone is waiting. But part of me is a bit dubious. Yeah. What is our success for viewers? Or what if our listeners are like, yeah, man,

like I, I love those cartoons. Dude, I found out about the daily zeitgeist through the evergreen Hills series. Got a small, got a small contingent of zeitgang in the evergreen Hills community. It seems like this is basically like we get these bad ideas because we live in a world where one person wields the power that like 100 people should have through

just like massive wealth consolidation and accumulation and so like this person who should have you know 100 more you know he should be rich but instead he is like this industry spanning mogul because of how our system's set up and so oh right rather than like i have a successful franchises of a chicken sandwich store i'm a chicken magnet and that's where it ends right but because we have a thing where it's like you can just keep getting richer and richer and richer and richer and because like that one brain of the person who has all that money is only so big they're going to try and do everything because they have the power to do everything and so instead of what what should be happening is like a new streaming service gets launched by somebody who has a good idea for one right you know yeah yeah but instead

of that it's the guy who has all the money at chick-fil-a because he has the power to just like make it happen i don't know man that's the america i want to live in yeah you know just want to brute force my own streaming platform and have people just be like yeah yeah yeah because i feel like underwrote a huge segment of the atlanta film industry yeah wow wow wow wow wow this just seems weird like for a brand that has only ever gotten themselves in trouble when it comes to like cultural output you know it's like that that is not your strong suit that's where you get boycotts and like people thinking you're the fucking worst but that's what they think otherwise clearly right they're trying to put a stake in the sand and we're not afraid to ruffle feathers we're the chicken guys yeah yeah exactly if anything we like to fucking ruffle we shape the culture with our through our chicken sandwiches

right again just like blair said chick-fil-a if you're looking for like some unscripted content um i will i will get high uh on camera if that if that's something that fits into the mix. I second that. I have a lot of ideas. Yeah. Mr. Chick-fil-A, if you're listening, I like your sauces, okay? And look, we missed,

I missed the Quibi checks. You know, Jeffrey Katzenberg, could have got one of those coveted Quibi checks, missed that. So if you're, again, And you could have literally made anything. Nobody ever saw it. You could have made the shittiest thing ever, gotten paid, just completely phoned it in.

That is really a failure on my part. I feel like not getting in on the Quibi thing. For not getting the Quibi check. And me. And me. Everybody missed the Quibi check. Oh, we could have just been. Because we all knew it was going to fail.

But that's no reason not to take their money right no they're gonna fail i went in their offices once it looked the way um khloe kardashian's pantry looks with like just walls of beautiful candy organized in jars oh really it was exquisite it really was something to see. When you could eat the candy? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was incredible. It was incredible. I asked a question like a five-year-old would. Yeah. And you can eat the candy?

No. That was a $500,000 candy jar wall. It was impressive. Okay. Well, look, again. Bring back Quibi. Bring it back. We missed one of those checks. All right. Well, bring back Quibi, I it back. We missed one of those checks.

All right. Well, bring back Quibi, I think, is where we try to end all our podcasts. So thank you, Blair, for joining. Reminding us. Saying these important things about the future of entertainment. I just have one more thing to say, if you don't mind. Yes, please. I did see, just to clear, i was uh engaged so i couldn't

watch the dnc um but i saw a clip of uh tim waltz talking about talking football yeah and i was like i'm about to run to a freaking wall right now and then and i was like i was like let's fucking go yeah and then and then i saw i woke up this morning on that godless site that i go on and i saw these people shitting on his beautiful son who i was like oh yeah him crying me i was crying immediately. And I was like, I'm gonna have to beat some ass. Yeah. I was just like, what's her name?

That ghoul, Ann? Ann Coulter. I was like, I'm gonna take you down, you skinny little skeleton, mouthy-ass bitch. Shut up! It's funny, every DNC also while they're talking, like, it's funny.

Every DNC night, they're find a way to attack someone's kid. Like whether it was, uh, you know, Ella Emhoff. Yeah. Like the night before,

or then this time it's like this 17 year old. They're like, this kid is crying because he loves his dad. What the fuck is going on with that? And then like, but also like Tim walls has talked about how like his son is like ADHD and and like a non-verbal like learning disorder like just like all this other stuff and they're still like what the whoa what's going on with this kid yeah they're like but they're like what a little bitch i'm like oh sorry your son would never speak to you in public right

it's so telling that they are so fixated on these people with like adoring loving kids where like they're not they're no longer invited to thanksgiving and christmas because they're fucking monsters yeah like normally i you know i feel in politics is really like this could be slander i'm not sure um like a really rancid industry like i don't really trust uh even the liberal side i just vote uh tried to vote with my soul with the lesser of two evils i think there's a lot of problems on both sides yes but when i saw that shit this morning i was just like oh this is just like a report make me sick yeah we're going to war yeah yeah totally there's like these moments where it's just like, God, I do not like a lot of what's going on with the Democrats. And yet, God, the Republicans are so much worse.

And yeah, we can hold both of those thoughts in our brain at the same time. Yeah, I mean, that's the way we have to be. We have to hold complexity because that's the truth of nature. Oh, well said. That's all I had to say, but the football speech was really good. I loved it. Got to with the football speech. Alright, that's gonna do it

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