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Episode Date: November 17, 2024

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These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laugh stravaganza. So without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist. Miles, we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by one of our favorite guests, a brilliant comedian, writer, journalist, activist, you know from plays like Al Jazeera, MSNBC's Young Terv, from the podcast, The Bitchuation Room. It's Francesca Fiorentini! Francesca!

I am nothing. I don't want to sing. I don't got shit. I don't want to do a joke on my name. Everything's terrible. All right. I'm going to roll. I'm just like, I'm like, when, when, when are the pitch street battles? Let's go. Yeah.

But no, I'm hi. Nice to be here. Hey, we're thrilled to have you. Use my like three week old cough to, uh, to just scream about Democrats for the next hour. Oh my God. What do you, what, what do you think you're going to do? You're going to pivot, You're going to pivot? You're going to try and get the Dems, Joe Rogan, Dem dollars?

Are you going to keep doing your thing or fully pivot to the right? Because everything's on the table, I think, right now for everyone. You know what? Wouldn't it be so funny if I pivoted to the right, but like no one cared? That would be so great if I staked it all and was like right I'm leaving the left and left the left and everyone's like, okay, bye like and like fucker you who are you? Sometimes like on Piers Morgan, but then I realized it is woke and that's what like That would just be like that's why I wouldn't pivot to the right because like what if it wasn't you know

Big enough to actually get me any sponsorships. You were like cool. Yeah Anyway, so here we're gonna burn this cross in front of that house. You got a truck Never mind, I do feel like it's probably gonna be pretty full up. I think there's a lot of The right happening. Yeah, no, I'm going to pivot to, you know, this, I'm just like, honestly, maybe podcasting is not the way we do the revolution, but so long as people still listen, I'm going to try and have, you know, more activists and strategic thinkers on and, you know, actually just kind of get involved like locally too. Like if I, if we can't change California, what the fuck?

We're not a blue state worth its salt, you know, like what's right in Minnesota. It's him. Walls may have lost, but like the people of Minnesota won, like they still get him. Yeah, so well, we got our own fucking freak job, man. Gavin Newsome. And that's that's what we think around is we need a thing as bad as their thing. Right. What the you are completely homeless encampments like, oh, God, he did it himself.

People are like, that's the kind of energy we need. I'm like, you are so unserious. He's like next door Anderson Cooper, you know, just like going out there and rolling up his sleeves. He's like, can I get a wheelbarrow? It's like, no, no, no, this is someone's yard. I don't care. I'm throwing this stuff away. Fuck, fuck it.

Yeah. How do we punch down better? Teach us that, teach us those punches the right way. Yeah. We want to do a sick lower cut, not an upper cut. Undercut? Yeah, yeah. It's a magic punch you've never seen. Yeah, yeah.

What is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? This is gonna double as a little promo, but my weirdest one I could find is ectoplasm puppet. And I know I always bring this kind of content to you guys. And the reason I was searching that is because Sarah Marshall from You're Wrong About,

and I, and then my partner and our producer in You're Wrong About producer, Miranda's, Fleetwood Mac cover band, which is fun, that you guys were just talking about it. We're doing a live show on the West Coast in December and January, and it's all around spiritualism and seances. And so we're kind of designing this whole show.

And so one of the things we're doing is creating ectoplasm puppets. And what these were is during seances and like turn of the century, you guys all know those with the tricks, you lift the tables, things play on their own. Yeah, right, right. They were all of course.

They were as stiff as a board. Yeah, you know, I feel like that was like the trickle down, the slumber party effect. That was the slumber party version. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. feel like that was like the the trickle down to slumber party slumber party But yes, same same kind of mostly familiar with slumber party culture But yeah ectoplasm was this this trick that mediums would do when they'd go into trance and they would regurgitate cheesecloth and it would look like some sort of spirit was exiting

their body and sometimes they would make puppets. So it would look like they'd do this illusion where this really wild looking and disgusting looking puppet would kind of rise out of any. Out of their mouth. But listen guys, any orifice. Wow. Because seances were a lot weirder and more sexual than we talk about or think about

because why would we really even think about seances from the turn of the century? But yeah, they would like, there were all of these tricks that they would do. Houdini was super involved in bringing down this woman who had all these ectoplasm tricks that she did. And a lot of times they'd paste from like a newspaper or a magazine, just a face on the puppet and be like,

look, it's Abraham Lincoln. Oh wow, Abraham Lincoln. That's Franklin, here. So yeah, we were kind of building a puppet of our own for the show. So it's definitely like. And you'll be able to like exercise this spirit from out of your corpse and into the-

Yeah, maybe, maybe, maybe not. You'll have to see. I mean, just based on the talent on the stage, I'm like, okay, that's a can't miss show. But now we're talking about spiritual puppet magic. And now I'm scared and I'm not going. Yeah, now it's too scary for me. We got all kinds of tricks. We got burlesque in the show. show, but now we're talking about spiritual puppet magic. Oh yeah, scared and I'm not going. Yeah, now it's too scary for me.

We got all kinds of tricks, we got burlesque in the show, it's going to be like, it's kind of a theater. It's going to be fun. There's going to be sexual liberation? Oh yes, that is part of the show. That's wild. Is cheesecloth the very light cloth that looks like it flows? Is that what the idea was? It's kind of hatched. It's really thin and you use it, I don't even really know.

But yeah, it was a very common material that was used. I always use it in the making of cheese, but I just- Well, how could you say that? I didn't realize you could fuck around with it there are no rules when it comes to cheesecloth what is something you think is underrated Marcel underrated is a being in a good mood right now yeah mm-hmm everyone seems to be so gloom and doom doom scrolling all sad in their feelings and I just I have you I keep having to remind people

I'm gonna remind listeners, but I know some of you are doing it as well. But like he's not president yet I keep telling people think of it as New Year's Day Like it's New Year's Eve right now you fucking get your groove on right now. It's celebrate right now be happy right now Well, you know things are a little more chill and know, donate money if you can to whatever, wherever, even fucking a person, a homeless person, give them an extra five spot, you know, do something. But this gloom and doom shit is not helping anybody. It's not fun.

I mean, I also understand not wanting to walk around smiling, especially if you're a white person, because then people are just gonna wanna punch you. But also, and people are gonna wanna punch you no matter what, so. Right now, everybody's looking at white people. Might as well get a high five while you're doing it Hey buddy up top or you can buy our blue bracelets that you go rock around with and let people know you're one of the safe ones

Is that a real thing that's happening? Yeah, it's a white woman thing Yeah, they're like I don't want to get lumped in with the I'm the 47% not the 53% 47%, not the 53%. Yeah. It's kind of weird. It's all fucking, yeah. It's like, girl, we can tell if we go on your Instagram, we can tell who you are. I used to have a bit.

I mean, I should still do it, but it's like, you know, nobody knows who's actually racist and who's actually not racist. Like, you, only you know. Like, only you know what goes through your mind when you're on an elevator with a black guy, white lady. Okay, so that's who you really are. And just accept that.

But the whole blue bracelet shit is like, lady, get rude. I also feel like your listeners wouldn't do that. No, no, I think they are an advertiser, Marcella. Oh shit, my bad. Shout out bluebracelets.com slash TVZ. Doing outreach to white ladies. An important movement. We got to meet them where they're at.

I can just see people doing the opposite of the purse clutching and actually rolling up their sleeve. See that? Not just itching the side of their face with their blue bracelet on display. I'm, I'm, I'm with the status quo. Just want to let you know, we gon be all right. We're going to be all right. Oh my God.

There was a white, I was, I was judging a roast battle and this white boy was wearing like a, it was like in the style of Lakers. It said they're not, what is the Kendrick song? I'm already, I'm fucking blinking. They're not like us. They're not like us, they're not like us. He has it, it says they're not like us, but it's like Lakers, you know, they're not like us.

Right? But it didn't say Lakers, it says they're not like us. And I was like, I'm judging him and I was like so distracted. I was like, you're white. They are not like you, take that shirt off. And it always, it cracked me up anyways. I mean, look, it always, it's inevitable. Everything does get hijacked by white culture eventually.

Like there was a clip of like those people, I don't know what it was, it was some kind of business convention where all those white people were on stage like celebrating their company. And they're like, they're not like us. They're not like us. Oh my God.

Pop around everybody in the convention. And you're like, oh boy. Hey, speaking of the Super Bowl's gonna be fire. Yeah. Because of Kendrick, that performance is gonna be interesting no matter what now with what's going on. He's definitely gonna do something. I feel like he won't let it not be interesting.

Which is what you need. Because there's gonna be a lot of pressure to make it not interesting. Yeah. He's gonna going to do something. I feel like he won't let it not be interesting, which is what you need. Because there's going to be a lot of pressure to make it not interesting. Yeah. He's going to be pushing. He's going to be pushing for sure. That's what's cool about him. So now everyone should be happy that he's the Super Bowl performer. Cut to him doing something really fucking just some bullshit.

He's like, we need unity, y'all. We need to come together. Like, what the fuck? Just white women in booty shorts. Just a bunch of them. It's together. Like, what the fuck? Just white woman in booty shorts. A bunch of them. It's like, which is it? I don't know what I believe.

What was something you think's overrated? The Democrats woke, quote unquote, woke agenda. Yeah. OK, brother. Dude, tell them can't stop talking about how fucking quote unquote woke the Democratic Party was. Kamala Harris is basically doing interviews where she's like, my pronouns are border and wall. And it's like, come on, man, this is ridiculous. I don't you know, I'm not the one to do an autopsy on a political campaign because I'm stupid.

But this is stupider than me. on a political campaign because I'm stupid, but this is stupider than me. That fact that people are going, well, Democrats talk too much about trans people. And it's like, well, what do you mean by that? Well, the Republicans put out a lot of ads about how much I hate trans people. And it's like, you got dummy, own up to it.

That's what happens. So who was talking about it a bunch? Right, who was talking? And who, and it's, I think the Democrats personally, I would have loved if they would have talked about nice things they would do for people more, of course. And I just think it's like such a, but people are going on TV, just saying shit like going on first, the fumes of vibes from 2020.

And they're, and they're going, oh, it's too woke. And it's like, no, you're just saying the thing that Trump's ads are saying. Right, right. Yeah, yeah. Because you've basically internalized the messaging from the Trump campaign and then And it's like, no, you're just saying the thing that Trump's ads are saying. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Because you've basically internalized the messaging from the Trump campaign and then this is why they won because of whatever they're saying.

No, no, no. It's so stupid. I just like can't hear. I can't see another headline. I don't read the columns because I don't, uh, I'm dumb enough without actively making myself dumber, but I can't read one more headline from a column. That's like, if the Democrats use a single pronoun, if the next person who uses a plural pronoun for any reason will doom that political party for,

for generations to come. Shut up loser. Yeah. And that's like, we keep saying this, this is the fight that's happening right now, cause you have a lot of these establishment figures who don't want to own the fact that their attack to the right was the thing that fucked everything up and now they're just going for just, we just need to acknowledge, man. Like obviously like the trans thing is like a thing we need to just like be clear on.

You know, like, you should have been clear about that, about how like trans people are people and deserve dignity and rights and not. And not like you can't let the Republicans who are like they shouldn't exist, dictate the terms of conversation. Yeah. It's humiliating. Yeah.

Yes. And also when you change your answer on something it looks bad for you. Yeah. When you're like, psych, we actually don't care about that. We care about border security. Uh-huh. And we're running away from that. Yeah, it's so wild that so the people who ran the campaign that lost, ran the

campaign as though this was their biggest problem and then lost despite like having a wildly defensive, like hyper-focused on this angle campaign. And then them and their like, you know, advisor class is coming out and being like, they lost because of this thing that they were clearly acutely aware of and ran the entire campaign around. Brutal. It's also, I think, you know, I have my own disagreements

with the Harris Wells campaign on policy. I, you know, I wish they had taken a stronger stance about a weapons embargo to Israel. That was a big one for me. But I do think Kamala Harris spoke significantly better than Ben Folds did about abortion. I think she really spoke effectively and clearly and without hedging. I've got Tim Walls on issues like trans students spoke really plainly and clearly and compassionately like didn't play the rhetorical games and was just like, yeah, they're their kids, and we should support them and you're being gross to want to like look

up their assholes every time they think of shit. And it is, I just think that they had these strengths and then pretty immediately like tamped down at least the second, you know, I think, I think they spoke well about reproductive health throughout, but yeah, just like ran away. Like you said, ran away from some of the stronger points and it was frustrating, not just from an optics and polling standpoint, but as somebody who's like, yeah, this is like, you're saying things that are correct and compassionate. Yeah. And this is a direction we should be moving in.

Yeah, that's our problem. Oh, sorry. What was the last thing you said? That was a direct, huh? But yeah, all of those like post mortems are definitely like, I think you should leave hot dog suit sketch. You know what I mean? Or they're like, they're like, why am I hearing from you right now? They're like, we got to figure out who did this.

You're like, what the fuck? Right. Yeah. Yeah. They're like, we got to figure out who did this. And you're like, what the fuck? Right? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, anyways, let's take a quick break and we'll be... That's, yeah. The sound of 2020. The sound of my soul escaping.

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podcasts. And we're back. I'm still spooky. I'm still spooky. I can't get the spookiness out of me. And we're back. I'm still spooky. I'm still spooky. I can't get the spookiness out of me. Deal with it however you got to. Out of my...

Yeah. Deal, motherfuckers. I'm still feeling spooky. Okay? It's a bad world. So this is a trend that I've noticed is people being like, why is everybody? I feel like this was happening before, but they- Oh yeah, but it's a fresh round of MAGA victimhood. Yeah. I think they really had built up in their mind that they were going to actually

get to drink our liberal tears out of their liberal tier coffee mugs. Yeah, yeah. That there would be like, I milking stations for you to just put your mug under and be like, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. Great, fantastic. Yeah. Yeah, I think people are more angry than anything right now. Well, yeah, obviously, I think the 2016 was absolutely just a shock because it completely went against all accepted wisdom in terms of how campaigns or politics work. This time, people knew what was at stake and were just like, oh, okay, so we're truly like this white supremacist capitalist patriarchy that just will be like, what are the options? First of all, hold on, you say black? No. So what are my other options? Okay, I'm fine with this other stuff. But yeah, like, I'm sure all of all, hold on, you say black? No. So what are my other options?

Okay, I'm fine with this other stuff. But yeah, like I'm sure all of us, we've read articles, seen TikToks, seen anecdotes on social media about how people have cut off Trump voting family members this election, especially like you have stuff where there's like the grandmother's like, why won't you come to Thanksgiving? It's like your grandchildren are gay. why won't you come to Thanksgiving? It's like, your grandchildren are gay. Do you understand what you are doing?

And they're like, but that's not why I voted for him. And you're like, you mother, you don't, what? And you see these like really frustrating exchanges happen, you know, and they're all being posted everywhere. But they're like, we're also seeing things like searches for divorce have gone up, searches about child support have got increased. How much could I owe child support?

And I'm not saying there's a tidal wave of divorces on the horizon or anything, but it's clear that as people have made their political choices clear, there has certainly been a lot of soul searching and I think a lot of conservatives, there's a lot less celebrating from conservatives, I think a lot of conservatives, there's like a lot less celebrating from conservatives, I think because the reaction has been so angry and been like, this place is fucking cooked. It's not like, I'm so afraid of Trump.

It's like this, holy shit, dude, this, this thing is cooked fully. And they thought it was going to be like the crying, like liberal meme from, you know, 2016 outside, like a Trump protest. And they just seem to be totally caught off guard that people are just telling them. Their response is like, hey, Trump won. It's like, yeah, good. I hope you get a front row seat to all the bullshit

that's going to inevitably hit everyone. They're like, huh? Huh. Whoa. Right. And I think because a lot of the true MAGA supporters, all they know is like the sadistic pursuit of inflicting pain on your political rivals. That's it.

They know nothing of actual governance. That's the whole fun for them. The whole thing is pain, is pain. And now you people, so like when, so when people don't offer up the face water and instead they're just like saying stuff like, yeah, do you know what the fuck you've done? Now they're like confused and doing stuff like, like, like searching tariffs or, you know, what is denaturalization and they're just kind of now acting like a

confused dog that has been scolded for like shitting all over the house. So I know. Yeah. Yeah. And I think, you know, it's just, it's just interesting to see this sort of energetic exchange happen because I think it you know, it's just, it's just interesting to see this sort of energetic exchange happen because I think it really does reveal what it's like again, that this was purely about being like, yeah, man, but like, let's get Trump a win just to see how

like how shit goes for everyone else. Completely ignoring the fact that this is everyone is on the same is in the same, but well, most of us aside from like the top like 1% Are in the same boat here. Yeah, there was definitely I think added to that a fuck the system Like haha, look at the trip the triggered mainstream media. Look at the triggered libs like whenever Trump says something that makes people like laugh and point and you know, he and he's quiet right now. The mainstream media has just gone into a mode where they're like, we're wrong, we're sorry.

We actually think he's smart now. Yeah, I feel like they don't quite know what to do with it until he starts fucking shit up again. Right. The pain is really tangible in that way. What a weird thing to go through your life just being like, oh, I hope I see someone fucking cry today. I just desire that so much. It must feel really bad to be in that body of

a person that is just hoping for tears every day. Like 100%. If like, if you're like life force is restored by watching others suffer like purely for like the sport of it, like we're just in such a bad way already. We're in a bad way. How our society is working and where empathy goes or just doesn't even come up at all. Jesse Waters on his show admitted that his Trump support has also affected him, too. And this is him on his show on not Jesse. People are taking some space in the Waters household. I'll have you know that I was not invited to my mother's house for Thanksgiving.

Apparently, there wasn't enough room. She said it was a scheduling situation and then at the last second invited me to come over on Black Friday. I told her no thanks, I'll be at Best Buy. All right, well at least he got that, you know, at least he got that in, he'll be at Best Buy. Will you? Will you?

That's cool that he gets to like go on and say the insult he wished he had thought of to his mother. Yeah. About like, and then I told my mom, like, actually, you know what? Fuck you, mom. Like that's thanks for nothing. Give me a best buy buying a Nintendo switch. Like maybe two of them. I don't even care. That's what I'm gonna do. I'm buying iPad. Fuck you. Yeah. I mean, I think it's, again, so many conservatives just clearly thought that their consequences of electing Trump were merely that just saying Trump won and not, again, the raft of policies that this brings.

It's just a very, I don't know. I mean, I guess, guess, like, you know, a part of me has always wondered, like, what is it going to take for most American people to understand? Like, shit is bad and it needs to change. And like whatever insulation you think is protecting you is very tenuous. It is not. It is not going to hold forever. And part of me is like, I think just like anything, especially American people, it's like we don't know until we've fully just fucking burned ourselves on the fucking fire. They were like, Oh, the fire is bad. Oh, right. Everybody said a fire is bad. I'm like, I don't know, man. My dad, he was, he's a fire guy. So I thought I could touch it. And now I'm burned that maybe that like, I don't know. Like, and it's also, it's just also fucked up to think that I'm

like, well, I guess maybe if enough of us suffer that we can move past it. But I think that's what also makes me a little bit weary when you see people gloating over the fact that people are about to suffer for the ill-informed decisions or fully informed decisions they've made, because that is just fully like when all bets are off like that, that's truly when the system won't change at all. And people are going to just fully go to their corners and be like, well, if I have to kind of change my beliefs in this way to protect myself from that, as long as I'm not those fuckers getting completely beat down, then I'm fine.

It's, yeah, it's a very, I don't know. Yeah, very delicate balance that we have right now. And I totally get why people are fucking so angry because so many people have been talking. But again, I think this also speaks to the kinds of like, who watches the news, who doesn't, and just because it's being said over and over on MSNBC or maybe 60% of the time on CNN or something like that, that doesn't mean everyone is hearing that message either. And just but I get the anger that because this is going to bring so much suffering to many people that you

want to be able to sort of singularly be like, yeah, well, fuck you. And it's going to be all you or it's all going to be the people who decided to vote in solidarity with Palestinian people, or it's all the fault of people who just felt that trans rights were actual human rights and those kinds of things. It's completely ignores like the real, the damage that has already been done that we're not continuing to acknowledge. So I don't know. It's just precarious at the moment. And I hope, I hope that we're able to sort of, yeah, fully understand that

like the, the options aren't, aren't going to be let's point and laugh, but we actually are going to have to like resist in a way and not the 2016 way. Uh, of resisting like, mainstream media to be such a big part of it because they are badly weakened and also seem to be very easy to knock off the message and just be like, wait, what? Oh, I guess he's right. Yeah. One of the historical precedents that was going through my head is like, should this give me hope is that Richard Nixon had just run for president for the third time in 1972.

His last election, he won 520 electoral votes out of 538. He won 520 electoral votes, 60% of the popular vote, just an all-time destruction. He was running on a racist message. Back then, he called it the silent majority, but it was just very racist messaging. Also, he was very like kind of personally people were suspicious of him. He resigned in disgrace about like two years after being sworn in like less than two years, about a year and a half. I think things are much different now because we don't have a strong media and we don't have a media that anyone's going to listen to. I've also been thinking about 2004 and just how demoralizing it was to have George W. Bush reelected after, like, the Iraq war was happening.

We knew there were no WMD. We knew, like, that it was a disaster and he had lied to get in. And like the fact that he still won like fairly decisively was incredibly demoralizing. I just, it, I think if this loss can be clarifying to people who aren't Republicans, I think that's the only thing that's actually, because those historical precedents, I think we're, are, are just two different things are too fucked right now, the information economy, how people are getting their information,

the weakness of the mainstream media. But just the Democratic Party completely cratered in this election and like maybe it needed to. And like it feels like there are clear and learnable lessons for whoever is going to come next, whether it be the democratic leadership or not. But I, and like one of the lessons is like you need to target not like Trump can't just be the target. In fact, like it might be helpful to not make Trump the main target and instead focus on the mainstream Democratic party, the billionaires who fund it, the

mainstream media, because like those are all truthfully the structural things that are standing in the way of making any progress. Right. All things that have started to swing right anyway. Yeah, exactly. So, I don't know. It's just, it's really bad right now. I've heard people say it's been bad before. I don't think it's ever been this bad. But when things are bad, things can swing in a hurry. And I think this party, like this Trump presidency is going to be

an absolute shit show, you know, of like billionaires, like just grabbing everything that they possibly can. And we just need people who are willing to stay focused and work locally. But also, I don't think it's like, and we give up now because Trump won this one election kind of convincingly. I think there are just like very, a handful of very clear messages that you could run on. And like the Democratic Party completely fucking up in this last election might actually have like lit the way for like a future of like what not to do if anybody's willing to learn that lesson. But I feel like looking at the historical precedence is really comforting, even though it's, you can't really draw a conclusion decisively, but like that's, I think on

American hysteria, that's kind of what we do is we go in the past and we say, okay, how is the past, how these through lines continued on, how do we then take these through lines and try to understand how they affect the present moment. And I mean, I mean, what comes to mind too, is like Nixon and Bush is that so much of their platform was like against protesting and against Vietnam protesters, student protesters and Bush against Iraq war protesters and just using that. And now of course, we're seeing that obviously with pro-Palestine protests. And I think that that's like, just that just came to mind as like

a very clear thing that was happening in each of those elections. And it's just, that's demoralizing as well. Yeah. But again, that was the Democrats this past time. They were running, like the most clear, like the quote that they were fucking putting on t-shirts is I'm talking now or like whatever she said when somebody tried to interrupt her speech. That was what they were fucking rallying around. I mean, the Cheney, like focusing on having like a Cheney endorsement was not like an accident. It wasn't like they, it was part of their overall thing, which was that they were going to be what neoconservatives were. They were like, yeah, we're going to be the old, your grand, Trump swept to power on this,

not your grandpa's Republican party. We're going to be your grandpa's Republican party. And it just, again, seems like very learnable, huge swings and misses that in retrospect of a week, a week and a half are like, what the fuck were you guys thinking? Yeah. Yeah. Well, and Democrats did the same thing with Afghanistan, Iraq, and Vietnam. War is a bipartisan issue, I think. And so it's kind of like, just not surprising.

Yeah. The people who are objecting to the Iraq war, they're few and far between. Few and far between. And like those are the few people who have been like, I actually knew that back then this was some bullshit. But again, the, it's, it's when you're when you're going against machines that have been fully in like, just running at full tilt for decades now, and to just like one person is just going to get crushed by it. Unless, you know, we have a more of a plurality of people that, first of all, can articulate. I think that's the biggest thing is being able to articulate what the danger is, what

the evil is. Because right now, you have a lot of these establishment liberals offering all kinds of different explanations that are avoiding clearly articulating where the rot is coming from. And it's a lot of stuff like, I mean, do we acknowledge that sex is a biological truth, but we also respect how other people want to like, no, no, no, like, get off that shit. It doesn't like we don't need to be so

bothered by these kinds of things or not that I'm bothered. But like the idea to think that other people are going to be so bothered, because guess what? If your bills are paid and if your grandma doesn't have to toil till she's nobody fucking years old, they're going to give a fuck. If other people have their rights, like are getting gender affirming care. That won't matter to one person. But when you are when you are lacking so much,

you start looking at what other people. Why are they talking about these people? What are they talking about? My grandma has to work till she's 80. Like how often are we seeing elderly people working so much? And you're this happens all the time. You see this everywhere. You go in a circle. Oh my God. I, I cannot, like, I can't believe this person is working. Like I can't believe that this person has to work and we don't,

we're not taking care of our people. These kinds of, these are the things that people see and reinforce these ideas that there's something has to change. But if you're coming in and because in this vacuum, because clearly the, the, the party's on its knees, you have these people trying to either prop up the same neoliberal nonsense that doesn't get to the heart of the matter or trying to dismiss people

who are actually clearly trying to articulate it because that's truly gonna upset the balance of power in terms of what is the quote, like left or whatever you wanna describe this. And that's kind of the stage rat because you have like the Matthew Iglesias of the world who are like these reporters who are all in on this centrist shit. And they're like, I have a new I've behold my new manifesto. That's like, that's like so broad, but still filled with these things like still kind of like, you know, bowing to the things that

are conservatives. And they're trying to thread the needle without like properly getting like to the heart of the matter because so much of the stuff is about like, we need to have like a better social safety net. But not one of these points says that we need to tax the fuck out of the wealthy. Right. Like, exactly. That's fine. That's fine as an idea. But if we're not if we don't actually buy in on how we get there, then that shit is just words. Yeah.

It needs to be, you need to have a villain. You need to, that's what I'm saying. Like the thing that, like the first villain that Trump like killed, and I think it's the base that his entire movement is built on was the mainstream Republican party as it existed in 2016. He talked shit about Cheney. He talked shit about Bush. He did.

He went against the mainstream Republican orthodoxy and then from there was able to build his movement. Like the Democrats brand right now is to change what they say based on what they think is going to be popular. Like that is what their brand is. Somebody needs to come forward and say that and fucking attack, attack, attack, and be the person who is opposing Trump, who is built on like, you know, tearing the democratic party as it exists to the ground.

Like they changed their position on whether racism is bad. They changed their position on whether immigration is bad, like based on what they think people are going to think about that. And that sends the exact opposite message from what people are responding to with Trump, which is like with Trump, the thing like the free media that everybody talks about is the mainstream media saying, how could he say that saying that is against the rules, but by God, he's saying it anyways. And that makes him look like principled and like he believes in something the thing he believes in is fucking horrifying

but it does send a message of like authenticity at a time when like politics prior to this was defined by just like bullshit and obfuscation and like playing this game that everybody knew was a game But they were playing it like they like we didn't know it was a game, but they were playing it like they like, we didn't know it was a game. So like, it just, there can't be like, we, we, it's not just like we need somebody who focuses on economic populism. We also need somebody who focuses on how broken the democratic party has been up to this point and is willing to like say that out loud. The Democrats are still suffering from the fact that like the last time they had a

successful candidate who actually like touched on economic populism, that candidate then went and like bailed out the Wall Street banks in like during the financial crisis. Yeah. That's like a- And people remember that shit too. People remember that shit. People remember that shit. And like you can't just come out and be like, well, this, this policy here, it

reflects, like we could, you know, and like come forward with more, it's complicated policies, you need a central message that is fuck what those people were talking about. Yes. Like fuck what Obama is talking about because what he did was said hope and change and then poisoned the words Hope and change by bailing out Wall Street and like doing the same shit that Clinton was doing Well, you need somebody who's willing to fucking stand on that Yeah, cuz right now everyone who's been like, you know holding the banner up for the Democratic Party

They are not gonna they're not gonna let go holding the banner up for the Democratic Party, they are not going to, they're not going to let go. So they're, they're going to do whatever they can to say the right mix of words, to make it seem like you're like, well, look, I'm Chris, I'm Senator Chris Murphy. Right. You know, like I, I, and I do get what's happening and I'm going to say I get what's happening, but it's like, no motherfucker, you are a fucking ghoul. You are also a creature of this political machinery that operates in DC and you've done it faithfully and There's no way that we can trust you because you've already compromised the like any

Values you've had because the thing is any if you have if your values are negotiable you have no values, right? That's plain and simple if they're negoti negotiable, you have none. You have none. Then because anyway, so I think I'm I'm looking forward to whatever this fight is gonna be within the Democratic Party Because it will be in because that's also gonna say a lot about what our future like what our stakes are for the future But yeah, if it's someone coming with that weak-ass shit again, it's like, oh boy Yeah, just something that I find myself wanting to say like Democrats tried with Bernie. They wouldn't let Bernie win. That was a start, but like it's like, we, we need to do better. We need to learn from that and move forward.

Like it can't just be, and that's the end. Sorry, Chelsea. Go ahead. No, I was just going to say, it's like, I love all of this and I just don't know how anyone breaks through the, the brick wall of the Democratic party to actually run. Yeah. I don't know how anyone breaks through the brick wall of the Democratic Party to actually run. Yeah. I don't know.

And that's hoped like maybe that's four years of whatever we're going to try to figure out. I mean, at this point, it's like you just have to outright be like, I'm not going to fucking buy whatever the fuck you put in front of me. I don't give a fuck what it says. If it's coming from the same fucking place, I don't give a... No. No. Yeah. I think it needs to come from outside. Like I do. And I know it seems unlikely at this time, but so has so did, you know, the strength of the Sanders campaign. So did the strength of the Trump campaign, like people, like the system, the people are like begging for this message.

And it might be that the democratic party is not going to be willing to deliver it, but somebody needs to. And I should be someone younger. I mean, like, you know, Bernie definitely helped crack the door open. But at the same time, he also did the thing that people do on Capitol Hill, which is like, let me duck low real quick. What was Biden doing? OK, I'm not going to really speak up too much.

OK. Oh, y'all took an L. I got something to say now. Like that is just how shit moves in D.C. Yeah. And but at the same time, I think that the other the other disconnect really comes generationally where it's like people need to really understand what people have been through and seen and what what their prospects look like on the horizon rather than octogenarians who are like, I don't know, I'm probably gonna die in five years anyway. So like, right. Whatever. Um, that, that doesn't help. That doesn't.

Yeah. I mean, part of the thing that is making me like giving me not even a glimmer of hope, like a shard, like a little, like a single sparkle of hope is how weak the Democratic party is right now and how definitive and clarifying this loss could be to people if like the messaging just starts coming consistently.. This is what the people are saying. This is what the Democratic Party isn't as currently constitute isn't willing to say. I don't know. Hopefully, something catches. But we should take a break and come back and make fun of Wheel of Fortune. All right.

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results, one of the stories that we focused on was, you know, the upcoming big news that we still didn't have access to. It makes it so hard to record those episodes. We still didn't know who people's sexiest man alive was. You're sourced up over there. You're like the Woodward and Bernstein of People magazine. I got fucked by my sources. To be honest, a lot of them, especially the ones who are, you know, sheep dipped CIA agents, were telling me it was going to be Jim from the office.

And I just refused to believe it. Nah, that guy. Have you seen Glenn? Howl? Powell? Whatever that guy's name is. Exactly. He's sexy. He's alive.

Yeah. How will I do? What's wrong? I do like the people who have the energy to be outraged about this. Just like, oh, another, another one where I had all my hopes. Right. Oh, it's just like just another rake to the face. Just going through the media landscape, catching rake to the face, just going through the media landscape, catching rakes to the face.

But yeah, some people, it was announced on Tuesday that Jim Halpert from the office is the sexiest man alive. His photo on the cover looks almost apologetic. He's like, sorry, am I just sexy? Yeah. Oh, I guess. I sexy? Yeah. Aw. Aw. I guess.

I didn't mean to be all sexy. My bad. It is kind of a sexy or whatever. A Jim Halpert look. Yeah, I know. It totally is a breaking the fourth wall sexy Jim look. Yeah, yeah. We only bring it up because people really seem to not like it.

Fuckin' hate this. And also because he's also a character that I have like for a while now, been like big keeping one eye strongly on ever since he just like started being openly pro-CIA. His like positive news show came out during like at a time when everybody was really pissed off. He was like, what if, I don't know, it's fun. What if I just sold it immediately? This was all just kind of like, make some money off you. Yeah, and many sold it for $100 million and nothing ever came out.

Yeah, people continued to die of a rampant pandemic. Yeah, yeah. And yeah, he just, he has, he has weird takes and takes so weird in fact, that he has become people's sexiest man alive. He's mainstream enough. He's like the Jay Leno of sexy guys. Yeah. He's kind of like, but he is like a perfect encapsulation of like in America where on the surface Things seem like okay, but like I'm gonna say seems calm and steady. Yeah, but deep down. Yeah knees weak mom spaghetti He's mom spaghetti. He's I think everyone knows what people He's mom spaghetti. Yeah I think everyone knows what people

Looks like that that's the look of the picture. He's like, oh, I don't know. I just have this sweater I guess I just puked on her But hey, I'm as American as eating mom's spaghetti. But like, again, but underneath it's like this guy that's like constantly winking at the right wing while also kind of pretend like doing it in a way it was like, but I'm like, not that kind of guy also. Like I'm Jim. It's just this very, yeah, off-putting thing. But it is wild for how much people fucking hate this announcement because I don't know, I think it's it is wild for how much people fucking hate this announcement because I don't know I think it's probably partially like a lightning rod for everyone's election angst. Yes, but it's truly being like, yep This is the perfect guy to fucking get angry about It's also like there's so many years that people magazine sexiest is like

Not someone as Victor pointed out that it's not someone who's like super in the zeitgeist. It's not someone as Victor pointed out, that it's not someone who's super in the zeitgeist. It's not someone who you think of necessarily as sexy, like Blake Shelton one few years ago. Yeah. And people fully left their bodies with rage. Yeah. It's also not, it's the sexiest famous guy alive.

That's the thing. The sexiest guy alive is some broke dude who lives on his friend's couch and has like slept his way through an entire friend group and no one's mad at him. Yeah. No, yeah. They're all like, Oh, nice. You slept with him too. Cool.

Yeah. It's also, there's an interesting PR thing that happens with this increasingly, uh, these past two years. Like this year, I think everyone was like, there's an obvious choice. There's a guy who is famous for being the sexiest guy, and he was in the biggest blockbusters of the summer. Glenn Powell seemed like, yeah,

this in a world where this had some editorial integrity. I think when it started when it started it was like Yeah You know, I guess it's Brad Pitt again, you know guy who's most famous for like people, you know jacking off to how hot they are and That then like I think starting I don't know exactly when it started But I think because it's like viewed as like I don't know that when it started, but I think because it's like viewed as like, I don't know that do I want it?

Do I want that? It has to be somebody whose team thinks it's a good branding move for them to be considered sexy. And so last year with Patrick Dempsey, it was like, what if we gave like them a reminder that this guy was sexy? Cause he's got a movie coming out. Yeah. And also like jumped on the golden bachelor wave.

And this year with fucking, God, I can't, John Krasinski, not Jim Hilbert. What the fuck is he? Whatever this fucking guy's name, John Jim. The thinking man's Mark Wahlberg. Yeah. It's like, we don't really think of him that way, but what if you did? Yeah. I think there's also backlash for understandable reasons against kind of puffy comedy guys

that are like, but what if I was fucking hot? Him and Chris Pratt, like if it were Chris Pratt, I think there would be riots in the streets right now. It would be like any hockey team won any hockey game. Yeah, but I think this is just all this tells us is that Chris Pratt turned down the opportunity. People's sexiest man. I think that's the only thing this is like. Yeah, he retreated from being sexy for a while where he was like, no, I'm Mario and Garfield now.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Don't look at me as sexy. Look at me as Garfield. Sexiest man alive, Garfield. It's also just such a weird, like the idea of the sexiest man alive just like evokes like some kind of freak show thing where it's like, step right up, ladies and behold, the sexiest man alive and it's just Some white guy again and we have buckets of cold water To sensuous and seven fainting couches be careful ladies like it's just alright, and again the lack of just like it's

We're the like only the people of color to win. This have been what? Dwayne, okay the rock Who are the only people of color to win this have been what? How many years has it been? Dwayne, the Rock, Idris Elba, John. You know what they did? They probably did this moral licensing thing where they went three years of black men. They're like, it was Idris Elba, John Legend, Michael B. Jordan, and now we're electing Trump. Now we will never have to do that again.

It's also like, did someone lap Michael B. Jordan? That's ridiculous. To be like, in the past year, we've tallied the votes. Patrick Dempsey got sexier than Michael B. Jordan. He should just keep the crown. Yeah. Yeah, it should be like a King of the Hill thing. It's like, is anyone ready to dethrone a sexiest?

Okay. That's right. We can just, dethrone a sexiest? Okay. I guess not. We can just, yeah, a runway walk-off. Zwinders style. If there was an independent media ecosystem, it would be really low-hanging for someone to actually do a rigorous version of this story and just be like actual sexiest man alive. Glenn, Glenn Powell, I feel like even you do a Jeremy Allen white as those are

the two white guys that are real hot right now. You know, Jeff Patel. People are so horny for these guys. What do you want, Kamala to lose, Miles? Sorry, sorry, sorry. Christ, man. This is Trump's America. Jeff Patel can't be sexiest man.

Sorry. Yeah. My bad. My bad. Fucking want to hand them the election? Yeah. It's Jesse Waters. That's, I mean, in Nightmare Future Universe, like we could be headed that way. I think he's going to be running Department of Education, I think probably before they dismantle it. Yeah. Every host from really of the five is going to have their own

department in the Trump White House. Yesterday's trend. Like Trump did name just a Fox news hosts to be. Department of Defense. Yeah. Secretary of Defense. Yeah. I do think, I do think we should do.

What was that guy? Yeah. It's piss hands. Is that guy? It's piss hands. Wow. It's piss hands Pete. I do think that we should have a sexiest dead guy every year. Yeah. We don't have to show a current picture, but I feel like if a new sexy guy dies, maybe they're

the sexiest dead guy or they're like, that's fun. Yeah. Paul Newman again. Yeah. Just coming back around to it. You're like, Oh, I mean I mean like have you seen the photos and we're talking peak Peak right right right cuz when you're dead, that's that's how you should be remembered Yeah, peak Marlon Brando not like I would dr. Moreau Marlon Brando Have you seen those pictures of the Billy Zane as Marlon Brando in that biopic that's coming out later this year? No, no, it's Bro, this motherfucker looks like Marlon Brando. I mean, anyway, hate to just commandeer the segment like that, but it just hit me because I saw a recent pic of it and I was like, holy shit, dude, this is, this is

prestige casting in terms of finding someone that looks like Marlon Brando. The Xanax are going to eat like they haven't since Titanic. The Xanaacs, baby. But yeah, I don't know. Everybody can go check out some cool pictures of John Krasinski leaning against various things. Photoshoot has him leaning against a doorway in the meatpacking district, leaning against an old-timey cab, multiple old-timey cabs.

He might have an inner ear situation because he's really off balance in all these pictures. Disability representation is so important. He's stealing Keith Morrison from Dateline's whole fucking thing, which is leaning on shit. You know what I mean? So there's nothing original about this, y'all. Just fucking move on, move on from him. That was a big Instagram thing where it was like, the lean is so hot. And it was just like people, like guys leaning against doorways.

People just say shit online. It's like, people are just so into engagement. There'll be like, like food just hits different when you're hungry. You don't need to say that. Just think it. Right. Just hits different when you're hungry. The John Krasinski thing is so funny too,

because even with this action hero glow up, he's not someone that I hear people being horny for. At his peak, as Jim Halpert, when people were like, he's dreamy, it would be like people's marriage materialist man alive. Right, right, right, right. Yeah. You know, you have to issue a statement.

Like you just found out about this. Like they called you on Tuesday morning and we're like, Hey, you won the, because he's like, I, guys that for me, this is like so weird. So I don't sit around being like, Ooh, I hope I'm people's sexiest man alive today, you know? Like, it's just, it was like phrased in a way that was like, you should have written this out ahead of time. It looks like you did, but like you did, you should have had somebody else write this out

ahead of time, it seems like, because it's not selling. I'm not buying that John Krasinski, this was not part of an aggressive campaign to be like, what if we tried to like, I know the last movies we've tried, people are like, no, probably not. But like, what if he was sexy?

Have we tried that? Yeah. It's also to be like, faux humble. It's like when you're a person who's best, again, still best known for the office, do have a little fun with it. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, since I was a boy, I always knew I would achieve this honor. Right. And it's beautiful to be recognized for the sensuous man I've always been.

And I look forward to making love to each American individually now, as is my parochial name. See? Could have Josh Gondelman write for you. Would love to. Oh, my God, it's been a dream to write for Krasinski. To write his press releases? I am that unemployed.

Yeah. I'm gonna put some poor lady named Kelsey out of work. Yeah. All right. Finally, KFC is suing somebody again around the phrase original recipe. Just the concept of the original recipe seems to make them go crazy at KFC. Because churches deign to say that our original recipe is back. Uh-oh, you fucked up because now KFC's lawyers are coming for your ass. Yeah. Original recipe only refers to KFC's original recipe.

We have trademarked that and you owe us so much chicken. recipe. We have trademarked that and you owe us so much chicken. The KMC has declared they own the concept of the original recipe as if the original recipe, the first recipe ever was fried chicken and not potatoes over an open flame. So they actually say that they're not doing this for themselves. The lawsuit is actually on behalf of all fried chicken lovers out there. I can't figure out how you even get to that logic. If churches stole your original recipe, how would that harm fried chicken lovers out there? Again, because they're trying to say that we are the protect-

Clouding the e- Yeah, or that they are- The information ecosystem? They are the standard bearer for fried chicken. They're flooding the zone with original recipes. Right. It's a Steve Bannon-esque tactic- Right, right, right.

To diminish trust in mainstream chicken media. How could they have an original recipe? Claiming to be employers. Yeah. It's like CEO's claiming to be employers. Yeah. We give so many people jobs. You guys should love us. They're like, if we go out of business, we're doing this on behalf of you guys. I also love the phrase that they're doing it for the fried chicken lovers, which sounds like the, uh, like the spoken word intro to the grossest R&B song of all time.

Right. Like, huh? Yeah. So just to give you a little background on how KFC does when it comes to the original recipe, in 2000, a couple bought Colonel Sanders' house and discovered a handwritten note that seemingly contained the recipe. They contacted KFC, the most good faith thing I could imagine. Sanders' house and discovered a handwritten note that seemingly contained the recipe. They contacted KFC, the most good faith thing I could imagine a human being doing in that

scenario. They contacted KFC to be like, hey, we found your wallet. Do you want it back with like extra money in it? You better set the fuck up in a suit. You're oblivious. Yeah, KFC suits them. Even when it's like, we found a wallet? Right. Would you like it?

Whose is it? I don't know, it's a wallet, you can have it. No, we're going to fucking sue you. No, it's ours, that's our wallet for sure. So they sued this couple again, but just not to give you the wrong idea, they did say, we took it very seriously, we filed the lawsuit to protect the quality of our product. And by extension, you, the fried chicken lovers. Yes, absolutely.

They may have a claim to the term original recipe, but they actually don't have, like just legally speaking, that is the argument they're making in today's Supreme Court environment, but they actually don't have a patent on the actual recipe because that would require them to disclose the ingredients and they really like they just won't do that or so they claim they won't do that. Yeah. So anyways, it's like a big show.

They make it the funniest. The funniest reason to not want to go through discovery is like, they're going to find out how much cumin we use. Yeah. Fuck, fuck. Yeah, exactly. I mean, when the sad thing is like, it's out there already. Yeah, it's all bullshit. You can literally buy KFC seasoning right now if you want because Colonel Sanders himself

got the company Marion K to recreate his spice blend. And then they still sell it under the name 99 X 99 dash X, which not great branding, let they're less good at branding. But it feels so, but it feels more like Elon Musk child name. But yeah, it feels like a very 1999 naming convention. We're like, it's 99 X dude. That's a, is that a Mountain Dew? No. The chicken seasoning. Okay. naming convention. We're like, it's 99X dude. Whoa, shit dude. Is that Mountain Dew? Yeah.

The chicken seasoning. Okay. Yeah. I'll buy that. I'll buy that. I'll buy that. Goes well with Surge. But 99X doesn't list its ingredients. However, Colonel Sanders' nephew leaked the recipe to the Chicago Tribune just a few years ago. And he died of polonium poisoning. the Chicago Tribune just a few years ago. And he died of polonium poisoning.

He, he, he, they're making Boeing look real soft. That's right. We'll take you on over a chicken or his nephew. Yeah. It would be so embarrassing to get assassinated by KFC. I have a knock at my door. One second. Good. The documentary JFK FC Oliver stone.

Yeah. But I just like the thing that I love is that like they, the one thing they don't really cop to is the fact that they use MSG. Yeah. You know, they released the recipe minus the MSG and somebody tried the recipe and was like, this doesn't work. Then they added MSG and they were like, oh, it's KFC that this is KFC that I'm holding in my hand.

And they reached out and KFC was like, yeah, okay, we use them. That's true. So we can't prove anything. Kappa. Yeah. And MSG is like fine, right? That's like the word on it, which is so funny because they've spent all this energy to like keep up this myth and like act like the secret isn't just looking using MSG. Like that's really what it is. Like, that's what I mean, like you think about, I just think about all this like Chinese restaurant syndrome, that shit that was happening in the middle of the 20th century to be like, these Asians are cheating with MSG kind of shit. That's villainous to use that.

That's all bad only for them to hold onto it. Like it's their fucking Holy grail to be like, it's MSG though, actually makes it a little bit, it's a little bit harder steroids. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, I mean, I do know people have like actual, like, you know, I think like it's a glutamate like allergy or whatever, But for the most part, like really it's fine. It's naturally occurring too, but like, try it on shit, you know, little,

cause most stuff, if you look at a lot of the seasonings that a lot of people use in the, in the U S the stuff, you're like, damn, that shit's good. It's like, it's just look at the ingredient list. It's MSG in there. It's not because it's a secret thing. That's what's making stuff hit harder. Yeah. Korean Korean grocer next to my house. Like we have been shopping that early. God damn, so much of these snacks are like so good. And it's because like MSG does not have

right as as bad a name in Korea as it does in the US. No, I think you can. It's called the essence of flavor. Yeah, that's what that's what it's called. can, it's called the essence of flavor. That's what that's what it's called. Ajinomoto, like the fucking basis of flavor. And that's like, it's like, that's where like, because some, what food scientists was like, fucking, how do we get this like umami kind of thing out of shit? And that research led them to this. And then for decades, we were just racist against food tasting good. Right. Exactly.

Right. Not fair. It's this whole, uh, the food industry being like not fair, essentially. But yeah, I mean, they've, the secrecy, like the whole branding around the secrecy is like, they regularly stage dumb PR stunts. Like they had an armored car with a police escort, transport the recipe to a vault. Uh, and it was contained in a briefcase handcuffed to someone's wrist

and it said KFC top secret on the outside. One time they had the recipe delivered to a Swedish nuclear bunker by RoboCop. So what? Yeah. Is that even under RoboCop's jurisdiction? Yeah, yeah. In this new America? In one of the sequels, I think so. And the one where you can fly. Yeah. Oh, sure.

Yeah. I will go to Sweden. That's what a lot of people don't read. Nuke, the drug from one of the Robocop sequels, was just MSG. Was MSG. Yeah. But yeah, it's basically just like a lot of branding, I feel like, is just giving adults

the thing they lost when they stopped believing in Santa Claus. Yeah. There has to be some magic. Yeah. So anyways, yeah, the original recipe is closely guarded like the nuclear football and KFC will kill you if you find out about it. That's why I'm here on. And like the nuclear football, Donald Trump is desperate to regain access to KFC's original

recipe. Oh man. That might actually be true. Yeah. That's what motivated his run for president. It's just like, I need to get this recipe. And he's going to open up a bunch of fried chicken places on his own. All right. That's going to do it for this week's weekly zeitgeist. Please like and review the show weekly zeitgeist please like and review the show if you like the show means the world to miles he he needs your validation folks I hope you're having a great weekend and I will talk to you Monday bye So Hey guys! I'm Kate Max. You might know me from my popular online series, The Running Interview Show, where I run with

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