The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 348 (Best of 11/18/24-11/22/24)

Episode Date: November 24, 2024

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These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one non-stop infotainment laugh stravaganza. So without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist. Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by an author musician, podcast host of the anarchist survivalist podcast, live like the world is dying. And the podcast, cool people who did cool stuff on cool zone media. Her substack, birds before the Storm, is a must read. Please welcome back to the show, Margaret Kiljo!

Margaret! Hi. Hi. She's back with the wisdom. And she's back. It's great to have you, Margaret. Great to have you. Great to have you.

I just went on a book tour and I met people who came up and said they knew me because of this show. So. Oh, I love. Zyke Gang. Zyke Gang, we love you. We love that y'all support the people that come on this show. Oh, I love. Zeit Gang. Zeit Gang, we love you, we love that y'all. Support the people that come on this show, that's really dope, that's super dope.

How was the book tour? Oh, it was amazing, I'm incredibly exhausted. I did 27 cities and 28 events because somehow I went to Brooklyn twice. Wow. I got home like two days ago and I don't wanna go anywhere. Yeah, oh man.

Also shout out to the people we have on this show who are worth going to visit in person. That's awesome. Can you talk a little bit about the book? What's the book? Yeah. I went on tour of the book called The Sapling Cage, which is technically not a YA. It's a crossover, which is YA, but admitting that adults read it too. Right. About a young trans girl witch who dresses up as a girl to run away enjoying

the witches in a fantasy world and then has to help everyone else save the world from people consolidating power through destroying the environment, which is completely unrelatable to anyone who's reading this. I was going to say, where do you come up with this stuff? Does she come up with this? Is it drugs? Is too much of drugs and think this wacky stuff up? No, I spent a lot of time alone in the woods, honestly. That is the actual answer. Just meditating on what is. It kind of loses my mind, but yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

Meditating. It's one way to describe it? Yeah, right, right. Losing your mind in the woods, the original drugs. Yeah. Yeah. What is your mind in the woods. The original drugs. Yeah. Yeah. What is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are?

Okay. This is, I said Neopets earlier and it's because it's top of mind. I'm back on, that's where I'm actually at. I'm back on Neopets. So I Googled Neopets Termaculus Hours. I can tell you what that means if you like. What the fuck is that?

Yeah, I mean, there might be some listeners who don't know. Is that an expansion pack or something? It's the 25th anniversary of Neopets. It hit my feeds like a plane, they know what I like. Good number 11 reference. Thank you. And so I started an account like two weeks ago to celebrate the 25th anniversary. And it is weird like how muscle memory, because I was so, I mean, I learned capitalism from

Neopets and I don't know if I felt good about that. But like I have, in Neopets as a 12 year old. I had like a bank account I had a mortgage right I had kids to feed like There was a lot to do I had to groom them or they got dirty like it was a whole thing And what you can do is you can get your Neopets pet pets So now they have their own pet and And if you go to the Termaculus, which is this gigantic dinosaur like creature, sometimes if you go to the Termaculus at certain hours of the day, he will give you a fancy vegetable. And I was trying to figure out,

you just feed it to your neopet and it says, thank you. Fancy. That's it. That's all that happens. Awake for one random hour every day. Yes. Yeah.

You'll just go. So do you like get notifications that somebody's like, oh, he's awake. He's awake. The community is hurting. I really don't think anyone. Yeah, see, I just tried to wake him up and snort the termagulus did not wake. Wow. You hate to see it. You hate to see it. So I was just trying to figure out, you know,

I would like one of the fancy vegetables to feed to my sons. Yeah. Yeah. And do you know how long it takes to get to Marydale? Marydale or wherever the fuck this thing is. Thank you. Thank you for using the right terminology. Welcome to my world. Yeah. OK.

He's a giant termac pet pet. Yeah. Let's get it in Meridel. OK, cool, cool, cool. Yeah, I brought my robot pet pet to the Tremaculus to see if he'd give me a vegetable. And he said no. So that's, but someday.

So yeah, to answer your question, Jack, how have things been? Not great. Well, how have things been? Not great. Well, they've certainly been better. Sounds awesome. So it's like an open world. Are you interacting with other people wandering around in there? I actually don't know shit about Neopets.

Too old. No, I liked Neopets because it didn't... I feel like the alternative to Neopets was Club Penguin. And Club Penguin, you would interact with other people and it was mostly like little boys saying slurs and stuff. So it was like PlayStation Live or whatever. Neopets, you can really just kind of do your own thing. And I celebrate that.

The games are awesome. They still have all the old games. And yeah, and I've been gambling, I've been auctioning things off. I've got another house in Fairyland. It's a nice house. Yeah, no, that's the most expensive house Jack. So it's actually kind of a big deal. Yeah, no, that's great real estate if you can get it. That's really hard, really, really competitive fields, which is why I only have one chair to put in it so far.

But I've been gambling. I've been auctioning stuff off. Just cut that. Let's use that as how have you been? How have I been? Well, I've been gambling. I've been auctioning stuff off. Try to beat my pet.

What's something you think is underrated? All right. So this is underrated for me. I think this has a fine place in the world, but I finally, I've always been like, What's something you think is underrated? All right. So this is underrated for me. I think this has a fine place in the world, but I finally, I've always been like, screw this. And now I've joined the team. So I've, you know, I went a little sideways with this one. Okay. Guess what, guys? I've been working out.

Okay. I'm now a workout person. All right. And I've always been the person that's like, you don't have to buy stupid, expensive workout clothes. Just wear whatever ratty shirt you have and whatever dumb pair of shorts you have and just who cares what you look like. But now that I've been working out, someone gifted me, because I would never spend this kind of money,

the classic basic bitch, lululemon leggings. And I put them on. I cannot believe how good I look. I don't know what they put in that magic material, but I was like, that's how I could, it's like getting professional makeup done for a TV thing and then you look in the mirror and you're like, it's possible?

This is possible? Oh, where did this come from? There must have been some magic in those Lulu honey leggings. So I think people say that people have very divided feelings on that brand in particular because it's pretty expensive and whatever. And the racism. And the racism. Yeah. That's the other part. I couldn't believe it. When I read that thing about like why they named it and there was like a joke of like,

because I thought it'd be funny to hear Japanese people try to say lululemon. And you're like, what the f- Yeah, look it up. No, I thought you were joking. No. I remember that was- Oh, now I'm lighting them on fire. I'm going to light them on fire, these leggings. They'll probably burn fast.

Yeah, there's a lot of, you can just search lululemon Japanese pronunciation. I remember learning that, like, what? That can't be. Horrified. Yeah. Said it was because it was, quote, funny to watch Japanese people try to say it.

Not Australians. Yeah, I feel like for a while while people were, I don't know. Yeah, they didn't become like workout clothes didn't become a thing that people wear all times of the day, even when they're not working out by accident. They have made adjustments to make them look good. They're somewhere between what used to be workout clothes and like future, the clothes from the future of like movies, you know, like

sci-fi movies. It's literally astronaut wear. They have done good work. Like they have, like I get why they've taken over. Yeah. I go between working out in like some workout workout like actual workout clothes that I've like purchased for the purposes of working out and like feel like, Hey, that looks okay. And then sometimes I just work out and close like clothes that are in the category in the drawer of like things I sleep in. And I definitely feel better when I'm in the ones that like are for working out and actually

look good. I feel like it's probably not dissimilar from, you know how Gatorade, like they're like, yeah, this shit doesn't like actually have chemicals in it that are helping you, but it tastes good and that makes you feel good. So that makes it easier to exercise. Yeah, and you get to picture yourself as Michael Jordan, like having glowing sweat.

Yeah. And I also think because Gatorade tastes so good, you buy one of those, you know, whatever, 750 milliliter bottles, which is, you know, it's a lot of liquid and it tastes so good, you just go, so you do hydrate because you're drinking more than you would. This is actually making me live longer. This is actually making me live longer. Although I will tell you that my kid, this was actually last year right around Thanksgiving, he was not feeling well, little kid, and so he requested Gatorade. And I was like, yeah, that's probably good, hydrate you. And so he likes the red one, which I think most kids like that fruit punch or whatever,

and he downed a bottle and then he puked and he just vomited everywhere that day glow red. That was very hard to get out. It was very... Out of furniture and your mind. Carpets, furniture. He puked all over the TV remotes. So those were forever gone.

Yeah, the button stick now. So those were forever gone. Yeah. The button stick now. Yeah. My kids call Gatorade sports good. And sports good. Sports good. Yeah. Which I feel like that's all you need to know.

Let me get some sports good. Yeah, let me get some sports good. The one thing I will say is the guy, Chip Wilson, who started, he's, he stepped down from the company. So the Lululemon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The one thing I will say is the guy Chip Wilson who started he's he stepped down from the company so Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's funny because it's like there it came up in this he said is like It's just I had a skating brand called homeless and the Japanese people I think they liked it because there was an L in it So I thought the next time I start a brand I'm gonna have L's in it because L's aren't in there

But it's like this very like weird exoticized Orientalism take on like Japanese Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, I know the guy with chip Wilson. It's like that is the biggest that's a comic book villain. Yeah Hey, but the pants they do look I'm not gonna lie. They look good. I don't know what that weave is Yeah, so yeah, it's like a it's a little bit. I don't know what that weave is. They look great. Yeah. It's like a little bit of, I don't know, it's probably all really, really just terrible for the entire planet. It's like, you know, synthetic.

It's the microplastic. It's the microplastic. Chip wouldn't do something bad for the planet. Not Chip, baby. Not Chip, man. Yeah, 90% of all Lululemon clothing that you wear ends up somewhere in your bloodstream at some point.

Yeah. Well, they say that even with stuff like Gore-Tex, you know, like Gore-Tex treated stuff, like that's a huge, like you get your exposure to microplastics is like huge with like stuff that's like waterproof treatment. Oh, Gore-Tex sounds like the bad robot from a 70s sci-fi thing. Gore-Tex. Gorteks. Gortek. Robocop versus Gortek.

We must kill Gorteks and their minions. Did you read the thing about all kitchen utensils? That are black or whatever? Black. Yeah. Yeah, it's just basically a old stereo that's been melted down. Right, exactly.

That little box you had from the 90s, that's your spatula. Exactly. Sorry, say it again? I actually didn't see this. Yeah, although utensils that are black, the plastic kind of black things that, yeah, you got to throw them away. You got to get rid of them because they are basically made from recycled electronics and are harmful to your health, full of curse engines.

Yeah. Bad, bad, bad. Just flipping it into your food. Mm-hmm Yeah, that seems bad. Well, it's raw. Yeah, I Do yeah I think I talked on this show about like how I had an ice cream scooper that like started Turning the ice cream that we would scoop like a bright Silver color every time you would like it was like shedding onto the ice cream. What? Oh my god.

The chrome or what? The chrome was like shedding onto the ice cream and I ate the ice cream more times than I would care to admit. Yeah. You're like whatever. It made the inside of my mouth look really cool. I look like Jaws. What's something you think's overrated? What's something you think's overrated? Overrated? Doing your thing, aka getting the wrong thing at restaurants.

There's a fucking place in LA, a chain, not a chain, but there are multiple locations. A Galbi Gym place called Sun Nang Dang. Yes. Which has, so if anyone is not- Wait, so you didn't get the Galbi Jims? No, no, I was with someone that was like,

I just want soup. And I was like, get the fuck out of this restaurant. Do the thing that they do here. Yeah, it was, so Galbi Jim, if anyone doesn't know, is like, it's like braised Korean brisket, beef rib. And if you order the upgrade oxtail, it's quite sweet. If you order the upgrade on that, they put a whole heap of mozzarella cheese on it and bring out a blowtorch and melt the cheese on top until it's fucking bubbling. It's one

of the great like, I will say I am anti the cheese but yeah, so it is. It's so indulgent. It's so ridiculous. I need it. I think it's already you definitely don't need it. It turned. It's like what if Korean food was a pizza? Right. Yeah. Essentially, in a stone bowl. I was reminded of one because I had this fucking insane experience with my friend. It was like, I just want the brisket soup, which the brisket soup is fine, but it is just like brisket and broth. Yeah.

And I was just like, and Sanhangdang doesn't do it particularly well. There are places in Koreatown that do it wonderfully. But yeah, this was peaked in my brain because there's a Postmates, I think, ad, like a billboard right now, that has Sun Nang Dang listed as one of their things and it shows as their example food, not the Galbi Jim, and it was making me feel crazy. Also, I went with a friend to Tam O Shantor, which is a prime rib joint in Los Angeles. And that motherfucker got the salmon.

And it was making me feel like I was losing my mind. Yeah. Okay. And it was both times some version of, I'm just doing my thing. I don't feel like it. And it's like, get the fuck out of this restaurant. I fucking hate you. It's too specialized anymore. Yeah. It made me so mad. That's very frustrating.

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It's lighthearted, pretty crazy, and very fun. Listen to Post Run High on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey there, I'm Dr. Maya Shankar, a cognitive scientist who studies human behavior. On my podcast, A Slight Change of Plans, I marry science and storytelling to better understand how to navigate the big changes in our lives. It was like a slow nightmare, you know, because every day you think, oh, surely tomorrow I'll be better.

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FaceTimes. I'm sick of them. I don't want them anymore. FaceTimes with kids are useless, by the way. Anyone who travels that is like, just FaceTime with your kid every night. Useless. Garbage. I don't like them. They never work out. Usually if it's a little kid, they're just looking at their own face and they want to screw around with that and put poop emojis over your face. Like it's not a real thing.

It is just an opportunity to put poop emoji. It is an exercise in poop emojis. That is absolutely true. Or like turn into an octopus, turn into a this, because you can, you know, change. Daddy's on the phone. Daddy's. Say hi to daddy. And I feel like it's just garbage communication. I think we just go back to the phone. We just go back to a nice audio situation that is boring and low key. And that is how we communicate until you see the person in person. Yeah. I feel like it's good for the adults to get to see the little kids. But even like with my, with my babies almost too, he just looks at himself the whole time. And he's like, Oh yeah. He's like, yo, what? Oh, and I'm like, let me,

let me throw this by you. Do you not look at yourself when you're on a face, everybody except my children. Yeah. That's right. I'm always like, when you're on a face-to-face? With everybody except my children. Yeah, that's right. All the time. All the time. How am I coming off here? I have to hide self-view on Zoom.

Yeah, right. It's the black utensils of communication. I don't think this is good for us. Yeah, right. Because the phone was... I saw an article, I think it was a Business Insider recently, where someone was like... It was an op-ed where someone was like,

I'm done with texting. And I realized the phone call is actually the best thing about talking to a friend. And yeah, we kind of forget, especially for people of a certain age, when that was the only mode of communication, how everything was built on that. Yeah. And now how quickly it's just like, I don't know, man. I like, I guess I, I like instant messenger in my pocket and I'll just do that all day. Yeah.

Slack. Did you ever have to slack? God, I'll just do that all day. Yeah. Slack. Did you ever have to slack? God, I'm so glad. For too many jobs. I feel like that is the bane. I mean, and people, people get a little too cavalier with slack. So in some ways, you know, people have been fired and jobs based on their dumb slacks. Yeah.

They cut themselves too much. I forgot what the word would be for that. Yeah, baby. The one good thing about FaceTime with kids, when I'm on the road and I FaceTime with my kids, and I have this image, I'm remembering all the good times and I'm like, God, I just miss them.

I just wish I was right here with them. Then I get on and just have the experience of them ignoring me. I'm like, oh yeah. Amazing. Oh yeah. This is what this is. Hey, how are you doing? How was school? Where did he go?

The phone's just facing the ceiling as they're somewhere else in the house. You nailed it. You nailed it because, okay, again, I know that life doesn't replicate commercials, but the commercial aspect or imagery is, I forget what it's for, but there's a mom. There's a mom. She's a traveling, working mom. I know. Crazy. And she's on some hotel bed and it's like, oh my God, I can't wait to see you. And the kids are like, I can't wait to see you. Look at my stuff, Eva. And it's adorable.

And that is now what happens. It's garbage communication. And you're right, I'm always like, oh my god, I miss you. I should check in. And then I'm like, wow, you, no one gives two craps about me at that household. All right, bye bye. I've done it with like other younger family members

where they look at their parent, they're like, can I go now? Yes. Like, have I fulfilled that? Have I done my homework? I'm right here. I'm talking to this fuck. Can I go now? Yeah. Oh my God.

There's nothing better than walking. You're walking. You're walking people out of your own FaceTime. Right. Yeah, yeah. It's hard to compete with poop emojis though, to be fair. I know, but for 30 seconds they're hilarious. And then I'm like, okay, we're done, we're done. All right, well, let's get into some news

and let's get into the FaceTime equivalent of prayer, I guess. Yeah. And that is, we now have the opportunity to interact with Jesus via AI technology. It's finally happened. I know we are, and I feel bad because we've been always shitting on AI, but now that Christ is available to us at a moment's notice, maybe it's not that bad.

So this chapel in Lucerne, Switzerland, they it's an experimental art installation. They call Deus in machine. Okay. Machina. Okay. Not Deus ex, but in okay. The ghost is in the machine. Now. Wait, isn't that what Deus ex machina meant? Is God from the machine. Oh, okay. But I guess they're saying in now. He came out of the machine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. But basically it's an AI Jesus in a confessional booth.

So it's a screen with a Jesus on it, hooked up to a computer that you can confess to. Although the church was clear, this is not an actual, this is not the sacrament of confession. So just for all you Catholics out there, just so you know. Is this a Catholic church? This feels very much like a thing the Catholic church would be like. Yeah. Well, I think it, I mean, I don't know that they had a confessional booth in there. So,

I don't know how they're, I mean, clearly they're, they're playing fast and loose with the Bible anyway, to even create a depiction. Not my Catholic church, not my Pope. I don't think, yeah, most people would be like, a depiction of our savior? I don't know, is this okay? Right, very bad, very bad. Some like 32 year old actor with a beard.

Yeah, yeah. Sup, I mean, how are you my child? But once you go in the booth, a disclaimer pops up, this is quote, I think that Jesus says, do not disclose personal information under any circumstance. Jesus literally does the disclaimer. That is why to me. Yeah, use this service at your own risk. Now press the button if you accept and he's kind of doing it in a way that's like urgent.

Like do not do not disclose personal information under any circumstances. Because we both get burned. What are you going to do with my information, Jesus? Yeah, what is it going into the cloud? Why is it? The Christ cloud. I mean, is it because they don't want to have to deal with the legal ramifications of someone admitting a crime? Like, what is the actual issue? I'm sure someone who has better understanding of the technology than I could explain,

but I don't know if maybe it does somehow get internalized and then repeated in some way. My guess would be, so this is an art installation, this is not from Google, that they do not have the technology to ensure the information security of what is being shared. And so they're like, hey, don't tell us shit. Don't, bro. Okay? Jeff Bezos owns that, if you do. Oh, AI Jesus. AI Jesus, I'd just like to open up with my social security number.

Go ahead, my child. And your date of birth? And look, I only ask as a joke because obviously I know, but for the record, let's reiterate. For the record, what is your password mask? Yeah. I guess the point is to apparently give people a tangible experience with AI to spur conversations around the limitations and uses of the technology. The theologian who works at the church explained why he agreed to having this thing in there. He said, quote, what we're doing here is an experiment. We wanted to launch the discussion by letting people have a very concrete experience with

AI. That way we have a foundation for talking about it and discussing it with one another. He also said that there are some positives to AI Jesus, which is, quote, he's accessible 24 hours a day, so has the abilities that pastors don't. So, yes. Okay, pastors. And you can also be sure he's not jacking off in there, which is more than we can say for the pastors.

Yeah, right. Okay, I just want to throw, this is not, pastors who listen are going to be mad at me right now, but let's not pretend pastors are the same thing as Jesus. A, yeah. Okay? Right, right, right, right. B, this is what my mother would say about anyone who was a religious figure.

She would just say, oh, they're just people who don't want to work. So that's... I love your mom. Those are the real bums. God. Freaking leaning on this magic show. Yeah, so now they say they talk to God.

Yeah. My parents wanted me to be a priest, so. Wow. Yeah, yeah, they did. My dad thought I was gonna be a priest. How does you lean on a kid to be a priest? Like, what did they see in you that they're like, Jack, you might be a man of God.

He told me after the fact. He was like, I thought maybe you were gonna head down that path. He wasn't like, hey, put that skateboard down and pick up this crucifix. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, okay. Did you ever say anything as a kid that you can remember about having a conversation?

Oh yeah, well my dad- Like being able to speak to God? Yeah, my dad's very religious, and so I would talk to him about religion stuff because that's what he wanted to talk about. And also I just always wore a black shirt buttoned all the way up with a little white thing on it. Yeah, that was it.

Just keep cutting out construction paper. Yeah. Well, I mean, there might be advantages to this AI Jesus, because at least this one actually can hear you and respond. So it definitely has the advantage over the current ghost stories Jesus that's mostly wise. Come on, just do it in your head. What happened to creativity?

That's what you're supposed to do in your head. I know. You're supposed to ask Jesus. We're outsourcing thinking too. Yeah. Well, I mean- Ask Jesus for something, and then the answer appears because you just think about it all the time and then it comes to you and you go, Jesus, did this.

Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, come on now. The one thing we've seen people repeatedly enjoy about AI, there's the scientific breakthroughs, the decoding of protein. I think there are going to be very specific scientific uses for AI that are going to be great. And then I think AI is going to be fun for people to play with. And that's what this feels like. It's like a one-on-one toy to play with. Like people really rushed into the like AI therapist thing. And that has like some very real problems

and stakes to it. But with like religion, you know. What do you think they're going to do with this though? Some people have replaced actual, you know, mental wellness with religion too. That's true. This is like leaves a little bit more to like, because he's just going to be like, why don't you pray on it?

That seems to be his advice, like looking at what people are saying. Like, I got so much out of it. He just like told me that it's kind of up to me and I just need to pray on it and be nice to people. Right, right. I mean, if that's what they need. And I just somehow got a $25 gift certificate to Amazon. Right. To your point, Miles, though, you are correct, because social services are so unavailable

to so many people, they go to the church and a lot of pastors and ministers are finding that they are social workers. They are social workers. Yeah, for sure. Really. And it feels like it's slippery slope. I listen to Joe Biden, I use the cops for that. I'm having a crisis, I call 911.

We don't need to defund the police. We need to fund them more. There are therapists, there are marriage counselors, there are daddy. And so I just leaned all the way in. I'm calling 911 being like, yep, she said it again. She's being so rude, officer. Officer O'Malley, do you think, do you think I should have to find his glasses? What do you think?

What do you think? Officer Paul George hyper-extended his knee again. All right, Miles, I'm not ready. I'm not ready, sorry, sorry, sorry. But no, I didn't- I will say, two and two. Oh. Oh. Go ahead, Michael. I was just gonna say,

when I use chat, I use ChatGBT. I do use ChatGBT pretty regularly. I don't pay for it. I use the, just use chat GBT. I do use chat GBT pretty regularly. I don't pay for it. I use the, just the open. And what do I use it for? Mostly writing marketing documents because I hate doing that. So I'll be like, hey, can you like write me a description

of a live show that involves blah, blah, blah. And then we'll write something and then I'll change it. It's like perfect first draft instead of just staring at nothing and being like, I hate this, but I'm always weirdly polite to chat GBT. I thank it. Thank you. This is so great because I am like, as this thing grows, I want it to think.

You want to be on the protective scrolls. Yes. Yes, of course. I get that. I don't, I don't treat it like a machine. I treat it purposefully. Like a future oppressor. Yeah.

Just in case. Just in case. Treat it like MSNBC is treating the Trump administration. Right. Just in case. I'm just going to lay down now. We think we should open some lines of dialogue. What a great analogy.

What a great analogy. He could be nice to us. We might be on the protective scrolls, you never know. You never know. Yeah, I mean, actually, that has always been my least favorite thing anyone has ever said about that when you're like, I can't believe this person, I hate them.

I can't believe they fucking do that to me. And they're like, they've always been nice to me. I've always hate that person, die. Yeah, I just think, again, as someone who went to like Lutheran and Catholic schools for their childhood, it feels like a slippery slope to the toy of the gamification of Jesus. Like, if this is more widespread, because you could see some, we've seen versions of like AI priests and other things, kind of people fucking around with that. I just, I wonder if like, this actually just brings full on atheism to people like,

I don't know, dude. Jesus is actually an AI on my phone, dude. Oh, no hybrid churches. It's starting. No one goes to the office. Nobody's going to go to church. They're just going to do it from their home. Whenever I want then. Yeah. And then someone's going to buy up all those buildings and turn them into multi-million dollar luxury condos Good job everybody pray pray to your AI Jesus as they take everything away from you. Do you hear me? Yeah anyways

News that's totally unrelated to that We got AI Santa the company is selling phone calls with an AI Santa clause for the children, presumably, because the real Santa is too busy, I guess. Obviously. So for $15 a pop, you can pay this company to just run a program that will seem like it knows who you are. Yeah. To the marketing, not real. Yeah. Oh, the marketing material. No, no, no, none of it. I just even like this marketing material, this like depiction of it for their like branding, it's like AI slop art too.

It is. It's wild. I'm sorry. Your chimney is also a bell tower on your home. What form of architecture is this again? And why does Santa only have three fingers on his right hand? Right, exactly. Santa, yeah, I do just want to describe it.

So it says, give a live call from, get a live call from Santa. Like Myles said, it's a house, like very Christmassy. There's snow on the roof. There's smoke coming out of like the roof where the chimney would be, but no chimney. And then there is- It's just on fire. Where the chimney would be, but no chimney. It's just on fire. Where the chimney would be is a bell tower.

Yeah. Then again, this is the thing that we've noticed now two episodes in a row, because we talked yesterday about how Coca-Cola redid their holidays are coming ahead, and it opens with the trucks breathing. The trucks have smoke coming out of their grill. Like the grill, yeah. Yeah, bread. Gosh.

And now we have, the house has like chimney smoke coming out of just like the corner next to where the chimney is. And then, yeah, like you said, a bell tower. Also, the image is Santa Claus approaching the house on foot while a giant, like the iron giant-sized Santa Claus approaching the house on foot while a giant, like the iron giant sized Santa Claus is standing next to the house. So two Santas, one normal size, one that is the size of the iron giant, standing next to the house on a phone.

It's kind of a phone call. It's a, it's a God. He's omnipresent. Right. I think taken slightly in a different context, it looks like this house is on fire, and it's a warning thing. See, there's one Santa that's running towards it

to try to save the person that's in the window. And it's also reminding you to evil giant Santa is calling 911. Who is in the window? Norman Bates' mother? What is this thing? What is in the window? Norman Bates' mother? What is this thing? What is this aberration? And also the window frame apparently goes behind the person? Like it's not an actual frame of the window.

I gotta point out the typo. Get a live call from Santa. Create a memory that lasts forever. Create a memory that lasts forever. Everything is good. So the Jesus reviews were actually like pretty I was surprised It was so easy though. It's a machine. It gave me so much advice. I liked weighing advice based on like the poundage the volume. Yeah, I

advice I like By the pound Okay, but High volume advice. I like my advice by the pound. I like it in grams, personally. I'm more of a gram person. Okay, sorry. But in this case, we have a reviewer who did the deal. I'm actually kind of impressed with how well the call went, and it didn't go well. But like, so they told them what they wanted for Christmas.

They told them, for a personal thing about themselves, they were like, hey, I just had a pet fish that passed away, which very easily could be, the things that I think my kids would tell Santa before a call might be like their pet fish that died and like a couple of things they wanted. Phone rings, it says Santa Claus on your phone. And he's calling from Maine for some reason. Of course he is.

He's probably high up north, yeah. Is this Steffi? This is Santa calling from the North Pole in Maine. I couldn't wait to talk to you. How are you, my friend? And so the writer's voice was booming, jolly. Did it sound real? Not quite human-like,

but realistic enough that it threw me off my guard. They're like, I'm good, Santa, how are you? I'm doing wonderfully. Thank you for asking, Steffi. The North Pole is bustling with excitement as the elves and I prepare for Christmas. Tell me, do you still have your pet catch up? How are they doing?

The one thing they were told, the one thing Santa was told was fucking that this fish had died. Oh my God. Immediately is like, hey, how's your pet? How are they physically? Like, how are they doing? Child? Like, this is supposed to be a conversation happening with the child. I hope that this, they get better on that because you don't want that AI Santa to be like, how's your dad? You fucking asshole wait I want to hear it because that writer at the Daily Beast who did it uploaded the actual audio from the oh, yeah Just so we can kind of get a feel for

this thing. He died I told him. I'm so sorry to hear that Steffy. I know that ketchup was a special part of your family and he surely and then the audio cut. Tell me do you still have your pet? Oh that sounds like shit bro. Wow.

No he died. Oh I'm so sorry to hear that Steffy. That sounds like shit bro! No, he died. This cuts out. He surely was, Santa! Ketchup was such a special part of your family. And I know he brought you lots of joy. I hope you have fond memories to hold on to. Would you like to share one of your favorite memory with ketchup? It's just like, yo, this sounds like a fucking speaking spell. This sounds like shit. It sounds like a Home Depot lawn ornament that has like vocal, like sounds coming out of it.

It's like, hello child. Wow. This is way worse than I thought. Yeah. I mean, I got to say when you were just doing your dramatic reading, Jack, I was like, yeah, forget about being a preacher. You got a Santa career happening right now. Yeah.

Right. Pretty good. This guy sucks. So even more, you can hire me to call your kids $15 an hour. Oh my god, get ready to make some cash. But yeah, would you like to share a message of your dead pet that I just asked you about? It really feels like you're in a fucking phone tree

You know like where it's like I'm sure he was special In a few words, can you tell us what your problem is? Do you care to describe the day ketchup passed away in great detail to Santa? It's kind of my king When he was flushed down did you say goodbye Santa, it's kind of my king. What? When he was flushed down, did you say goodbye? Right. And then it just cuts off?

Yeah, just then immediately cuts off. So anyway, AI, magical people all around. Learning, it's learning though, all of these mistakes. The one thing this has is like, I mean, it's not inexhaustible time because obviously as we know, it's burning down like chunks of the rainforest every time you use something like this.

But like, I would assume the thing is like, yeah, but we can just like, the kids can talk and like the thing will interact and like it's a fun toy to play with. But like the toy or the Santa was like trying to get them off the line. They were like, all right, better go. Better get going now. And they're like, wait, uh, don't you want to ask what I want for Christmas?

No, I'm good on that. Not you're good on that. Like he spent so much of the call apologizing. Like, Bertha's one. The cat. I'm so sorry, Steffi. I definitely want to know, what do you want for Christmas this year? Oh, oh. A new fish Santa Claus, a new fish.

And then, so the author says, I'd like like then I heard nothing but the dial tone Yeah, yeah, no, I definitely want to hear what you want for Christmas tell me hang up more on that later We're on that later asshole This is just so man. This is 15 bucks is such a racket cuz this is some shit you can do for free. But you just absolutely have a fucking wacky friend who likes to do bits. Just have a fucking call and they can do what they can say. Whatever the. Oh, so you're going to some mall. Go to a dying mall.

Yes. Go see that Santa. I think I don't know if you know this, but I as a Jew, as a Jew, I wanted to see the mall Santa and my mom wouldn't let me because that was just not part of our I don't know if you know this, but I, as a Jew, as a Jew, I wanted to see them all, Santa, and my mom wouldn't let me because that was just not part of our tradition. And I begged her because all of my friends were going, begged her and begged her, and she finally said fine. And I was so excited, but I was afraid.

And then when I got in there and Santa was like, what would you like for Christmas, little girl? I just went, I'm Jewish. Like I could not handle the pressure. Fucking Nazi. And he said, that's OK, so am I. Yay! He's the greatest ever.

He's the greatest ever. Best small Santa ever. Hey, I wouldn't come up with that shit. You know what, hey, I would have said, I'm so sorry, Ophira. Yeah. What? Would you like to talk about how hard it is to be Jewish?

I gotta go. Gotta go. Better go. I thought your mom was going to tell you that mall Santas were also people who didn't want a real job. No, you know what she told me when I told her that Santa was Jewish, she told me, she said, well, of course he is. Who else do you think works on Christmas?

That's what she told me. God damn, your mom has some great bars. Holy shit, he's a eaters. Absolutely bars, yeah. Yeah, you know, JC was a Jew too, so. There you go. Yeah, when I told my friends Santa was Jewish, they were mad. They were mad.

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A therapist friend of mine reiterates to me all the time that acting with agency is the primary way to avoid being traumatized by negative experiences. This is a big thing in recovery from addiction. There's the serenity prayer that I think everybody has heard where it asks for the courage to change the things. You have power over, but somebody who I've worked with pointed out it's actually the reverse a lot of the time. You change the things that need to be changed and the courage comes from that.

But you need that first action to build on. Hopefully, it's not an action that meets with, yeah, like you were saying, manipulation or shame or dismissiveness. I like that so far you've been kind of emphasizing building with people you know and trust to begin with and then like plugging into existing existing groups. But yeah, doing so kind of in a, in a well informed way. Yeah. Yeah.

Anyways, I thought that was cool. Uh, where, uh, you also talk about this need to deescalate conflict that isn't with the enemy. And one thing that's come up a few times in the aftermath of the election for me is this idea that I feel like we need to really, in some political way that feels real, target the mainstream Democratic Party, and more specifically, not allow them to do the thing they do with activism that is basically anything that you are doing that doesn't fall within the realm of neoliberalism is actually unrealistic and childish basically.

But I guess I'm curious, when you say deescalate conflict that isn't with the enemy, like who is the enemy? Are you deciding that kind of person by person and just group by group or how are you thinking about that? I make that decision conflict by conflict. If I find myself like kind of in a conflict, I have to think to myself like, is this person

my enemy? And sometimes even if they're like ideologically the same as me in surface ways, they might be my enemy, right? If someone is trying to hurt me or my friends, right? You know, but then even then I'm kind of like, on the other hand, I've successfully deescalated conflicts with people who are trying to hurt me physically, you know? And that is a better solution to that problem, right?

Than if I had like beat them up or gotten beaten up, right? But I do think that I can't dictate for other people what counts as the enemy as much as like, say if you are in a conflict, just really saying to yourself, is this person actually my enemy? And most of the time they're not. And it is interesting to me because overall people, individual people are unlikely to be my enemy.

There are individuals like just fascists, right? People who are like, I'm a fascist, I like fascism, right? But if they stop being fascists, they probably stop being my enemy. And I think we need to have like an off road for people to leave hate groups and things like that. But there's also, I live in like a center right area, right? I live in West Virginia,

there is not a county in West Virginia that went for Harris, which is depressing because West Virginia exists because it's the part of Virginia that didn't want to die over slavery and actually died on the other side, like fighting against slavery. But it is what it is. It is now a center right state or a deep right state, depending on where you're at. But I don't believe, I don't conceive of my neighbors as my enemies, and I'm grateful that they do not appear to conceive of me as their enemy either. Right? But the Republican Party is my enemy. And yeah, frankly, the Democratic Party is also my enemy, at least structurally. I believe that the Democratic Party exists to co-opt protest energy and like movement energy and turn it into this thing that has never proven once that it can shift things to the left. All it can do is slow, not even stop, slow rightward creep. Right?

Right. Right. And so they are doing the work that I oppose and I want to oppose it. And so I'm going to organize to oppose it. And I have enemies on the left. I specifically strongly disagree with authoritarian, like communist tendencies. And not the, my problem here isn't the word communism. The problem here for me is the word authoritarian. Like I, and I'm not trying to tell anyone in the crowd

what to think, but I like, I am opposed to people trying to tell anyone in the crowd what to think, but I like, I am opposed to people trying to advocate for a totalitarian society, regardless of what it's called. And, but then the people who are necessary, sometimes the people who are arguing for that are, could be fellow travelers. And they've just been convinced that there's this strategy that'll magically work that has never worked. You know, and so enemy is weird. It is weird to

have enemies, but I also don't want to be like, there is no enemy. We're all friends. Right. Right. Right. Sure. Hug everyone this Thanksgiving. Yeah. Right. Right. Like you were saying earlier, like, hey, it doesn't necessarily mean rumbling in the streets, but like sometimes it does. Right. And like, maybe you don't want to go rumble in the streets, dear listener, but you should support the people who beat up fascists in the streets. Because overall, fascism is a coward's ideology. And once they get beat up in the streets, they stop coming into the streets. And then they stop building successful movement.

That is not the only or the most effective strategy with which to confront them. But the people who go and fight them are my friends, you know, right? Yeah. I'm like, because right now, I think we're beginning to see a lot of misidentifying of quote unquote enemies. Yeah, probably. Because the Democratic Party is in total free fall.

And you have people who were on the verge of like sort of seeing the light about being like, this party is actually truly ineffective. And it just feels it's really good at empty promises and co-opting that in like 2020. It was like, we need to do something about the police. And then Joe Biden's like, we should just be a little bit nicer to them.

And you're like, wait, what the fuck? And then you're like, it just makes your head spin. And then there's this version two where you see a lot of people who are now from like the sort of establishment side of the party, people who are like blue, no matter who types immediately now going after again, we're seeing like the woke is broke. Like, why was this? Why are we trying?

Why are we bothering to protect vulnerable people like the trans community or what? Or the people who are like, hey, Arab voters, I hope you're happy now because look who Trump just appointed. And that's where I'm seeing like, that's going to be a huge setback for sort of like creating a larger coalition. But the way those people speak at the moment, they are not ready, I think, for the bigger picture. They are still very much hyper-focused on the pain of the election loss and are just trying to be like, it wasn't because of the policies, it's because of them. Don't ask me to interrogate what the policies are

because I'm just not interested in that conversation. How do you like, I guess historically, when you see sort of a party that was in power, seemed like it was quote unquote doing the right things, then collapsed to sort of like usher in fascism What happens to like the scraps of like the people that were supporting that party and like how important is it? For to find to remind people of like what the larger issue is because more people you see more people People blaming than system blaming. Yeah, and I think that's what's interesting is like the needle, definitely a lot of people, plenty of people are blaming the system, but it

feels like more people are blaming other people at the moment. I think that's a really important point that people are blaming people instead of systems. And, and I think overall, we need to try and be doing like, coalition building and stuff with people who are looking to do coalition building, who are looking to find, to work pluralistically. Like to, you have this kind of a tolerance paradox, you know, that if you tolerate intolerance, then you lose your tolerance or whatever, right?

And I think that that's same is true for like working ideologically, pluralistically, where there are so many people that we can work with who have no problem not trying to dominate the movement and tell everyone what to do. You know, in an activist spaces, we see this really easily. We're like, the average church group isn't trying to convert you. You know, if they're if they're activists, if they're Christian nationalists, they're trying to convert or kill you. Right.

But the average like, where the Catholics or the Protestants who bring food to the border and give it away. Like, those people aren't trying to like, save your soul. They're just trying to feed you. Because they understand those as related, you know, in their own theological understandings. And so you can work in coalition. They would work with like Satanists for feeding migrants, right? And so it's, I know I'm kind of only going with half of what you were saying,

and I apologize for that. No, no, no, no, no. But but to the other part of your question about what happens when totalitarian takes over, one of the things that I think that people aren't quite as much as like my goal is to spread hope, but not ignorant hope. Right. Right. My goal is to we have to soberly look at how bad this situation is so that we can successfully confront it. And one of the things that could

happen and has happened a lot is that when totalitarianism comes in, it comes in fast. You know, when Hitler came to power, he was arresting his enemies the night he came to power. Right? And that's not always the case. I actually don't think that's going to be the case in the United States. That is I'm still in the United States, you know like making my decisions based on the fact that I don't think that Trump is gonna come to power and then immediately Arrest all the leftist podcasters in the progressives and whatever, right? He might criminalize a bunch of stuff, and he will make organizing hard and he will start. But on the other hand, there actually are already groups he's planning to criminalize and do horrible things to. And so it's almost like self-important for like, for those of us who are citizens to be like,

oh, well, he might do the following. He's like, he said which very large group of people he wants to put into camps. He doesn't mean it. We've all learned when he tells us the horrible thing he's about, oh, wait a second. Yeah. He always does the horrible thing. He's done it every time. That's right.

He's actually the most honest politician we've had in this country for a very long time. Someone's gonna use that out of context. He tries to hold to his campaign promises. Right. They're monsters. He's like, I'm gonna be a monster. And everyone's like, hooray, he's going to be a monster. And then he is.

So, and then of course, all of the people who are going to go bend the knee. And I really liked that framing of it. I think that's a good framing of it. There's no safety in that. Like there's no, yeah, there's the, all of the people who voted for him and are like now going to all of their stuff is going to be twice as expensive. You know, it's anyway, whatever. Yeah. I'm gonna kill it on eBay as a seller. He just bought a ton of like some Chinese made stuff and yeah.

Just something that something else that you raised that I think the election results should probably have made clear to a lot of people, but you're right that moderate reforms are won by making radical demands. If you demand moderate reforms, you generally get nothing. And it just also, it seems like the suppressing of the protests helped cause the democratic kind of cratering that we just saw, both the suppressing of the pro-Palestinian protests on college campuses, but just protests in general by the Democratic Party is like something they feels like they've been pretty hostile towards. And thus, it's been harder for people on the left to build kind of community and sort of the

structures that we're talking about needing but Can you give examples of like the two types of movements like the radical demands versus like the ones that make moderate demands? Yeah, like yeah, I can do that. But first, your point about the suppressing protests, I think the Democratic Party is very good at building off of the momentum of protests. And, and from my point of view, co opting it, but that's not the only way to view it. And so yeah, of course, but then they want to be the only adults in the room. So when they're in charge, everyone is a bunch of children if they protest against them.

And so yeah, of course it doesn't work. Like I think if they were smarter, they would have been like, we too support free Palestine without doing anything. They wouldn't have to, all they would have to do is give lip service, right? And you see Biden try to pull this at the last minute being like 30 days and then later being like,

just kidding, I don't care. Do whatever you want. So yeah. And, but in terms of radical and moderate demands, okay. The abolition of legal chattel slavery in the United States, it, the reformist abolition, they tried that for a century or so. And the primary argument that they would make is they, they came up with all these like,

you know, they saw it as like very mature and compromising positions where they're like, well, what if we slowly buy people out of slavery? Like what if we allow, you know, we have to, of course, we have to pay back the slave owners, right? You know, they, they of course need to, because their property has been taken away from them. You know, there's all of these arguments that they made for a very long time. And now some of the reforms that they pushed for, I will say actually did accomplish things like stopping importation of enslaved people had some impact. But it very clearly took a zealot, right? Well, it took a lot of zealots and a lot of blood to stop legal chattel slavery in the

United States. It took a whole ass war and it took the demand, we're going to kill you if you don't stop enslaving people. Right. That was the demand that made any of this possible. And what's funny is that they actually could have, the South could have at that point, probably sued for peace in a way that there was like, okay, we accept the compromise, pay us for what we could have. Pay us for our losses and we'll stop.

Like that was a, that was an offer that an offer that was on the table more or less. Right. And so they could have gotten the moderate thing, but instead they were like wanted to go whole hog and got killed and to hell with them. But another example of this like gaining moderate things by being a radical group is you have the Young Lords, which is a Puerto Rican radical movement comparable to the Black Panthers in the 1960s and 70s. And they were in Chicago and New York City primarily. They're actually still around, but they're like sort of heyday.

And some of the things that they accomplished are really tangible. We have the the patient's bill of rights. They did a lot of health care focused work, right? They like took over hospitals time and time again. Well, maybe only twice. I don't remember, but they did it a bunch, right? They would like go in car jack X-ray vans and bring them into neighborhoods

of like where minorities were living because the X-ray vans were only going into these white neighborhoods in order to search for tuberculosis and stuff in the community, right? And they also got trash pickup in New York City. They completely got it overhauled. And it wasn't that they formed the coalition of concerned voters who care about trash pickup. Could you please change the way the trash is picked up?

They just started collecting all the trash and burning it in the streets. And then they and then instead of doing it in their own neighborhood, they drag it out to like the busy intersections where like the rich people had to drive. And then they would just throw street parties and burn all the trash. And finally the city was like, all right, we'll start doing this.

What they were fighting for was a free Puerto Rico, right? And they didn't get that, right? Right. And they didn't get that, right? But by trying to get that, they got an awful lot. And they got stuff that people who were asking for moderate demands weren't going to get ever. Right. Yeah, because in your sub-stack, you also point to the summer of 2020.

Right, it wasn't like, we're like, we want Joe Biden, so we're out here. Yeah. Right. But because people are in the streets being like, we need to defund this shit. These people like we have authoritarian anti black racism, like with people who are have been given the blessing by the state to take people's lives.

We need to fucking end this. You find the police to where it's phrase ever come up with an English language. That's a loser. I'm from the swamps. I know about a loser. Uh, but like he does this, like, you know, that was a point where we were asked, there were a lot of people came together to ask for these larger reforms. You got it in varying degrees in some places, but what it did do in the end was fully blunt. The momentum of a Trump reelection, which in that moment, yeah, that was a nice thing that we

got that we had an end at least to the Trump administration. Now the co-opting definitely happened. 100% of me, we saw it all the time. All I can think about is Nancy Pelosi with the Kinta cloth on and the Rotunda. And I'm like, it's over. They did it. That was it. And it's worse than it was before.

Right. Exactly. It's over they did it that was it but and it's worse than it was before right exactly But to that point is if enough people clearly become incensed about a thing and come together to do that Something things happen whether directly or indirectly and I think that was one of the biggest takeaways for me reading the substack was When people are able to act collectively, there are going to be results. It might not be the intended top of the list thing, but other things do come from it that end up being somewhat of a positive or at least begin to create conversations that you have like in LA where the city controller became someone who's like, my whole thing now is just posting police budgets on the billboards

So people of LA understand like where the money is going Wow, you just get these like sort of smaller things and more yeah become a little bit aware And I think that's the thing that we sort of have to sort of emphasize for ourselves is to know that a That the time will come where we will need to sort of figure out a way that how we're going to contribute to make something better and that it is possible and you can do it in a way that is specific to whatever your level or ability is, whether if you're your ability or you're like you like whether it's physical abilities or just whatever your, your comfort level is with being in physical space or putting yourself in a situation where you might have to be confronted by law enforcement, et cetera. But there are many ways to do this.

So it doesn't have to feel like, well, it's either I'm putting on a uniform and I'm out there in the streets doing my thing, cracking heads. No, no, that there are many other ways. And I think it's important that we get together, identify within our own communities or like we all need to talk about this. Like if I need medication, do you like what, how far out

can you get? How far can you drive? Do you have a generator? Do you have these kinds of skills? Who does? Oh, are they down too? Do they think like us? Okay, cool. Now we have 15 people that among us, we have an engineer, we have someone who has a medical background, we have someone with the skills for horticulture, whatever it is, that you begin to understand that they're like, collectively, we can actually do a lot of things that will keep us safe, while also keeping an eye on the larger goal, which is to, you know, again, try and blunt the momentum of fascism in the country. So I think that's the

one thing I hope a lot of people are able to sort of get in touch with. It's as easy as you need it to be. But the hard bit is just to take that first step and you can take it as comfortably as you want but make sure you are focusing on how you either you're going to keep yourself safe, your friends safe, whatever. And then from there, so many other things can branch off. And it doesn't have to look like, you know, what, whatever the scary thing is in your mind that might be putting you off from wanting to take action, because it's, it's very easy and you'll find many other like-minded people out there.

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