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AT&T, connecting changes everything. Hello, the internet and welcome to this episode of the weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one non-stop infotainment, laugh, stravaganza. So without further ado, here is the weekly Zeitgeist.

Miles, we're thrilled to be joined in our third and fourth. Yeah. Seats by two of our favorite guests, a podcast producer and a musician who hosted the great beauty translated podcast, celebrating the trans experience and having a lot of fun along the way. Please welcome Carmen LaRonde and Janey Danger. Welcome back. Oh my God.

It's Cobbler LaRonde. Jack, you were kind of channeling like an auction crier at the beginning there. Oh, yeah. It's November 27. November 27. November 27. November 27.

November 27. I'm a podcast, I'm a musician. That's apparently a very coveted skill that you have to go to school to learn how to do. I bet like a fast, like Busta Rhymes could probably be good at it. Oh, yeah. Down here on 25, 14, you ain'tmes could probably be good at it. Oh yeah. You ain't talking about nothing.

You ain't talking about nothing. You ain't talking about nothing. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? Yeah. What are you talking about? They're talking about... Maybe now that there's no space for them in popular music scene,

because of all the freaking mumble rap, maybe they're all working as auction crafters. Busta is so hard to process in the year of our Lord's 2024 now. Like he did a video recently on his social media where he was clearly just somewhere where there was like a parked helicopter and he had like an empty suitcase and he like hopped off the rails. Like, yo, I just got off the helicopter and you're like, nothing's moving. The door is shut and locked, bro.

I know that case is so light. I'm like, why are we still doing this? Why are we not his helicopter? He's not allowed to be on that helicopter. Security is being dispatched immediately. He's like, I'm a security guard. Good thing he's like quickly. Well, I love your album. Extinction Level Event, bro.

Yeah, yeah, go ahead. You can hop on there, man. There's like a guy in a control center like, yo, yeah, it's Buster Rhymes. You gotta stop them. It's Buster Rhymes again. No, I'm sure it's him. Like, yeah.

Multiple incidences now. All the helipads across New York City just have pictures of Buster Ryan. He's addicted. He's just hopping off. Yeah, he's always gotta have a duffel on him just to pretend if you want to stunt. Like, oh, there's a park limousine.

Let me pretend I got out. Hey, what's up? Just got out the limo. Do you have anything after the preamble? Was it just like, hey, you know, it's me. Anyways. I forget what happened. I think just- Just got off this helicopter. Everyone just kind of was so bummed out by the action of just jumping out of like pretend.

Like you could almost feel like the camera guy going like, and go. You know what I mean? Just had that millennial pause. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just it was so janky that yeah, just everyone just is bummed out. Didn't even hear the words. So yeah, anyway. Oh, we're busted.

Anyways, helicopters are crazy right that's what he says that's what he said and i was just think about it yeah can't believe those things can fly anyways uh we do like to ask our guests carmen janie what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are carmen, I will start with you. Oh, thank God. Okay. My search history this week is actually quite boring. I normally am searching some cool shit, but I just had three weeks ago, I'm going to talk about it in my underrated, I just had a full FFS on my face, facial feminization surgery. And I don't like to Google these things before. I mean, I do. I still do. I just forget about them.

I like to go in cold. But now that I've had everything done, I'm Googling each of the procedures. I like to read the surgery notes that are in my MyChart app, and I also like to Google things to figure out what is what. I'm just looking at diagrams of endoscopic brow lifts, type 3 forehead reconstruction, open rhinoplasty. I'm like really obsessed with what they were doing to me

while I was under. So. There were three weeks. You look amazing. Congratulations. Thank you. I can't believe it's three weeks later. That's wild.

Yeah. I never looked that bad actually. It was all thanks to pineapple juice and arnica. So drink your pineapple juice. Take your arnica, girl. Wait, what is pineapple juice? Drink your pineapple juice and arnica. So drink your pineapple juice. Take your pineapple juice It does not make your come taste better I'm a true sir about this Carmen just hates pineapple. She's just hates pineapples. Oh really doesn't make it better

The only thing that makes make it taste better. The only thing that makes your cum taste better is a beef bourguignon. With... Boo-yan cubes. Yeah. Oh my God. No, the bromelain is supposed to help

with bruising and swelling, as well as the arnica. So I like did a double whammy. Wow, okay. Yeah, and I was only bruised for about a week. So I'm pretty good. Oh, is that the, where'd you get that cup from? That looked like a hospital. Oh, this is from my, this is my little souvenir

I stole from the hospital, Emory University. Yeah. That's like, I love a hospital ice cup. Ice chips. That cup was designed to hold ice chips. Yes. So yeah, I took it with me. Shout out to Emory. They really got me together.

Those ice chips are quite nice. I gotta say. Yeah. That would be good for like bartend. Like making like a mint julep. Like something that needs like, nice like crumbly ice. Yeah.

Yeah, you can get it in the hospital cup. Yeah. You call it the hospital. I'm you guys in the hospital cup. Yeah. You call it the hospital. I'm gonna walk around the hospital drinking a mint julep like I'm at the Kentucky Derby. I'm like betting on who's gonna die. Like standing outside a hospital room,

like whiffing myself with like a brochure. Come on, he's beeping. Yeah, right. He's flatlining, come on. Damn, come on. They saved somebody's life. Alright, call it, call it. They're throwing the tip sheet onto the ground. Stop the count.

Stop the count. Keeping the nurses from going in there like, no, I got a lot of money on this. James, what's something from your search history? Oh, you know, my search history was kind of boring. That's always funny. It's like always like the same kind of like looking up like, I don't know, like how to find like an item in Dark Souls or something. But like, something kind of interesting.

I don't know if I want to go too far into it because it's a lot and it's insane. But you mentioned the like, since Ariana Grande has been like in the news so much lately, it reminded me of this like very strange coincidence. If you Google the words, death grips, like the bands, death grips, like the experimental rap trio and Ariana Grande, there's a lot of insane like... Mashups? Maybe, maybe there's that. But no, it's this very insane correlation

between the band Death Grips releasing their album Steroids and the bombing that happened at a Manchester Ariana Grande concert, where the album was released on 5-22-17 and it was like, it was like, it the album was released on 5-22-17, and its length is 22 minutes and 31 seconds. That's my birthday.

And the bombing occurred on... Really? Wow. What do you have to do with it? Where were you? Yeah, hold on. Carmen's a local, too. She's like, I was at home listening to that. She's compromised. I fucking told you. I told Janie, what did I tell you?

I'm sorry. I should have just talked about how to find the symbol of avarice in Dark Souls 1. There you go, there you go. That's why. This one goes too deep. I grab it. The amount of things I'm seeing on Reddit already, I'm like, ooh. Yeah, are you looking it up?

It is like, I don't know. It's not, I don't like, I don't know. I was thinking about this earlier this week with the, did y'all talk about the Joe Rogan believes in dragons kind of story that happened? No. No. So it was like a thing on the view where one of those girls said like, Joe Rogan is someone who like believes in dragons.

And I'm not a Joe Rogan fan, but the clip they were talking about, it kind of caused like a flare up on like Twitter and stuff. And the clip they were talking about was from like 2019 when Joe Rogan was still like a little bit like more on the more lighthearted, just like talking about like, you know, a monkey is really strong. You can rip your face off. Um, but yeah, it's like a, it's like a hypothetical, like, what if dragons were real? And like, it's just a more kind of fun conspiracy.

It's a thing that makes you go, hmm, as opposed to something that, like, you just lose your mind and, you know, end up doing devastating things about. So I don't know. I just thought, I just think it's a very interesting set of insane coincidences that is interesting. I don't know. I just thought, I just think it's a very interesting set of insane coincidences that's, it's interesting. I don't know. But. That's interesting. That's interesting. Just asking, just asking some questions.

If there's any- I don't know how to describe that as anything other than- Interesting. Yeah. If there's any, if there's any Death Grips fans as listeners, I bet they would, they're probably a little weird as it is. They would probably get a little bit of a, a bit of a hmm out of this. Or they'll lose their mind. Or they'll be like, this is talking directly to me. There was a very specific group of people who were arguing that Kendrick Lamar and Father John Misty are somehow cosmically linked because they always drop albums at the same time.

That is very weird. Like accidentally supposedly. That is really, really weird. Yeah, especially with this new one because no one knew this Kendrick Lamar album was coming out. Right. Fucking Father John Misty. Except for Josh Tillman.

Maybe he did. Maybe he did. I haven't paid attention to Father John Misty in a while, but I do like the new album. It's very pretty. You play the Kendrick Lamar album backwards and it's just the father. It's just father's on there. It's Hollywood forever somehow. Another fun one like that is the David Bowie, Kanye West one.

Do you guys know about that? I don't know that. It's like that if you look at the cover of Insigisardas, the street he's standing on is K West. Oh, I do remember this. Oh, yeah. The story is kind of like that the person that Ziggy Stardust or the person that David Bowie's singing about,

who's like a rock star, who comes down to save the world and is like a genre-defining artist, is Kanye West. I feel like we can probably put that one to bed. Everything about that checks out 100%. Unless what David Bowie meant was that like, he's going to become like an evil Hitlerian figure, which I don't know, maybe. Anakin restored balance to the force, you know?

Anakin made the trains run on time. Thank you. I'm just saying. Don't sleep on time. Thank you. Yeah. I'm just saying. Don't sleep on it. Kanye West is the savior of humanity. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's doing great things for doing nitrous.

I mean, it's the best thing that we've heard. So yeah, I don't know. I don't know if that, unless the star man, was it in the lyrics that he would just be off Nas all the time? Yeah, I think so. I think that you hear that in Suffer Gets Said, eh? Right. Yeah, I think that's what he...

We talked about this, like, does Nas have a mute... not Nas, the rapper, but like Nas, the drunk... Does it have like a musical aesthetic? Like the way that, you know, like psychedelic rock has... The only people that I knew who drank Nas were people that like just got out of rehab. Like we're talking about nitrous oxide. Nitrous oxide. I thought you're talking about NOS, the energy drink. No, not the other NOS. Dude, there's so many ways to talk about NOS.

Almost definitely a reference to. I think the energy drink, I could be wrong on this, but I think it's brewed with nitrous like Guinness, sort of. Oh, wow. I could be wrong on that, but it might be. I don't know. Nitrous is having a moment though because like galaxy gas, which is like a legal way

to do it. And it's very weird. Is that gas station nitrous? I don't know how much I've talked about my like junkie past But like like a long time ago I was very different bad person and even when I was like doing like heroin and shit I would see people like huffing things and I'd be like, oh no that can kill you brother I was getting off the Nangs right now. I don't know about that. Inhaling something like a, I don't know.

I'd have like an old big giant balloon. You're like, you use the same balloon over. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe just cause I'm asthmatic and I'm afraid that like, if I breathe something in for too long, it's like, oh, it's game over instantly. I can't breathe that hard.

I mean, if you said for an actual sound, the closest I would say is like there is a tame Impala track called Nangs, which that's like slang for nitrous oxide. And the sound is like, there's like a sort of robbing. Yeah. Like wobbly keyboard in it that I mean, yeah, that sort of replicates the feeling. But I guess, I don't know, it's hard to be like, dude, you can tell they're so artistic because of the names.

There's also the new Lil Uzi Vert album where allegedly there's a song where he rips a Galaxy Gas rip in the middle of the song. Oh God. Even amongst Uzi Vert fans, people don't like it. People are not their favorite. It's bad after that. Yeah, I feel like that.

Yeah, it's not a thing I associate with productivity of any sort. No. Including artistic. Yeah, it doesn't even... I've always been a skeptic when people are like, oh, the Beatles made good albums because of psychedelics. It's like, no, they made good albums because they were creative. They're kind of just like good at writing songs

well before. Yeah, that's not how, you can take all the psychedelics you want, it's not gonna make you make Abbey Road. Yeah, I can point you in the direction of some people who are cooked off acid. Yeah, absolutely. You can put a keyboard in front of them

and they ain't doing shit. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. I couldn't imagine Nitrous doing any better. No, I mean, cause if you think about it, at least like with psychedelics, people were like, I can kind of see, I'm looking at things differently. You talk to somebody off the gas, they're like,

yo, ain't nothing happening in there that's worth fucking talking about. Yeah. What is something you think is underrated? Uh, the current search for UAPs, a completely non-political, potentially, uh, human uniting quest to see if we're alone in the universe that has gotten really fricking interesting the last few years.

But where are you on your, like, do you, what, because we, we are, uh, fans, we're interested, but I also don't really know where we stand, like in terms of, do, do you believe that, did you believe like the David Grush testimony at the PECA? David Grush, I actually do believe him. Like he's just there and I've seen long form interviews with him and stuff. He's just the right level of, I think he, like, I'm, I'm not saying this is slight whatsoever. I think he possibly has set himself or a friend of his has said.

He's kind of slightly autistic in a way where you can really trust him because he very much values detail and the truth. And like that guy really seems to be an incredibly trustworthy source of what he's saying. Lou Elizondo, I don't know what the fuck that guy's deal is. That guy, I smell a rat. There's something. I don't know what his end game is, but I mean, it seems like his end game is like, we need bigger guns to shoot the aliens. And this is fair, right? Lou Elizondo, if people don't know, he's one of the sort of foremost people who's been blowing the lid on the current UAP phenomenon and bringing these documents

to bear and talking to Congress and stuff. But I think this is the same with Grush, but there just seems something grubbier about it was Lou Alisando that everything he sees has to get approved by the Department of Defense. And I'm like, well, then why are they telling us this? Like they don't generally, they're not big fans of just full disclosure and transparency. Usually they have an agenda behind releasing information like that. So Lou Alzano, I don't know, Grush, I'm a Grush boy.

I'm a Grush girl. I don't know what his groupies are called. Grush groupie. Yeah. That works. Yeah. I've got a Grush on that guy. Orange grush.

The thing is you're. Pfft. Blue eyes, the facial hair is the main reason I distrust him. But go ahead, man. Oh, interesting. No, no, I mean, I think with all this, like I'm in that thing where like, bro, I need us to not be alone.

Like I fucking need this. You know what I mean? I need this. But I also need. From wanting to believe to needing. I fucking need these motherfucking aliens here now But I guess the thing that I'm like like everything it's like I just give us some modicum of hard evidence Please like I just I I'm willing I'm willing I just need a little bit It's just a little something you got to turn in brother the the the tech techs, the tech tech video from like three years ago, that was

made in all these military officials coming out saying like, we've got it on radar. I saw this thing with my own two eyes. That thing doesn't fly like anything that sort of obeys the laws of physics. It's fascinating. It's yeah. I think it's the other part where it's like, when we're talking about like, well, we have non biologics that non human biologics, yeah, non human biologics and those technologies or whatever and talking about

like this global to potential network of crash recovery groups and how they send that technology to governments, like, just give me a fuck something just give me a fucking uniform, like a little badge from that shit to something a little bit more because I think that's where most like I think it just sort of ends with the tic tac videos. And that's certainly enough for me to be like, holy shit, what? But now I'm like, what's the sort of next phase of disclosure? And then when I hear all the people, all the theories about like, do they can't

block you just think here's a drop all that shit fucking right now, dude. They got a private and I get that part too, but, but really can I just make with it? Yeah. It doesn't make sense that we have alien bodies, but like that just seems like too big a deal to possibly be true that we've just got alien bodies somewhere. Right. Like in Washington D.C. And Trump hasn't done a press conference with one of them.

Like that's impossible. Yeah. There's no way he would be able to keep the lid on that. Well, they wouldn't endorse him. So he's cut them off. Right. But I mean, so, but what do you think? Because Grush did say that he's like, I haven't seen them, but I know people that

have, yeah, and that's a binder, I think sort of walked right up to the line of saying he's basically seeing them, I think. Right. Yeah. I don't know. Let me see them too. Hey, I want to see them too. Let, I don't know. Let me see them too. Hey, I want to see them too. Let me see them.

We all want to see them. I want to look at them. Give me that. Yeah. I'll be cool about it. I'll be cool. I think it's underrated as it's just like, there's so, there's so much, uh, hectic shit. That's a bummer at the moment.

And this is just like a very, will remaining be remaining a politically neutral, exciting possibility that we can just kind of like, okay, okay, okay. I can just, I know climate change is real and democracy is over. And, but can I, can I just think about the aliens while I smoke a joint for like 30 minutes? Cause it would be a nice little break for a moment. I'm like, bro, I would love to smoke a joint with an alien. You know what I mean? little like for my, I'm like, bro, I would love to smoke a joint with the alien. You know what I mean? Now we're talking about, bro.

Maybe you have, I go, Oh shit. Blake, I didn't know you like to get wet. CP, my man. When they sent, um, Dennis Rodman to North Korea, uh, Snoop Dogg will be our representative of earth to Alphys and do it. Absolutely. I'm with that. That makes perfect sense to me. Yeah.

And I think that's who they would pick. They'd be like, Hey, can we take us to your, uh, actually Snoop Dogg? Sort of your leader. We just get some accomplished like astronomer and they're like, do you know Snoop Dogg? We love that song, drop it like it's hot. It just hit our airwaves from 20 years ago. Yeah. I wouldn't want to smoke a joint with Neil deGrasse Tyson, but I would with Snoop Dogg.

No, no, no, no. Yeah. No, he's a bummer. Total bummer. He, he, I feel like he would just start asking you what you thought of him in various ways. Yeah. No, he's a bummer. Total bummer. I feel like he would just start asking you what you thought of him in various ways. Yeah. Do you have any cute cousins? Do you have any cute cousins?

What are you talking about, bro? So, you guys, this is interesting to me because I didn't know there was any... I've felt a little... I've got mixed feelings about that dude. He gives off an interesting vibe. I feel like he gets some. Yeah, yeah, yeah I feel like he gives- Neil deGrasse Tyson? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nah, I don't fuck with Neil deGrasse Tyson.

Nah, me neither, man. Just as a figure, first of all, as a, like he's apparently, you know, not cool as a person. And then also just his general, like, there's a fine line between people who bring additional scientific insight that makes the world more interesting and people who are just fucking haters and are just like, no, no, actually. And he like just doesn't seem to have a very good instinct for making things more interesting.

Instead, he just is there to like kind of quote back things that sound smart or like point out things that are wrong and it just, I don't know, I'm like, what are you in it for then, man? Like why are you, why are we even here? If you're not like on fire to like make space and science more interesting to people, what are you even doing here other than just trying to like corner the market? And like sometimes I feel like he does that, but a lot of the time it just feels like he's just trying to point out when shit is wrong.

Yeah. I'd never put my finger on it before, but it's like an own the Libs style of scientific education. Owned. Shows up places as a big stamp owned. You've been de-grassed. Yeah. Neil deGrasse Tyson's punch out the worst NES game. Blake was something you think's overrated.

George Armstrong picket and his charge I think is incredibly overrated. The man was massacred. No, um, I'm going to go with actually that. I'm going to go with that. I don't know some more history enough. Okay. It was at Gettysburg, Pickett's charge. They ran up a hill right into Union.

Uh, and over in your world, Jack, the end, uh, the other side, the bad guy, the Northern aggressors, the Northern aggressors. And George Armstrong is Custer by the way. Oh, Custer was George Armstrong. Custer George Pickett. Oh, George Edward Pickett. Yeah. Thank you.

Dude. I pick up a lot from hanging out with Jack because he shows me all of these fucking cards and like, and that was my passive aggressive way of correcting you. Saying, wow, I actually don't know that one. Why don't you tell me a little bit about it, Blake? I have a George Edward picket. Oh, you mean George Edward picket. Oh, okay.

It's an easy mistake, I'm sorry. I thought you knew about some Civil War battle that I was unfamiliar with, but it turns out you were wrong. I remember. This is the weirdest lib version about arguing about the Confederacy. What the fuck show is this? In this scenario, Jack is just such a bigot that I got him a William Tecumseh Sherman card and he crossed out Tecumseh so quickly with a permanent marker.

And that's another general. And if you want to correct me on that middle name, you a permanent marker. And that's, that's a, another general. And if you want to correct me on that middle name, you're fucking wrong. Did you say George? You said William to come to Sherman, right? Yeah. Yeah.

George, George Edward Pickett, excuse me. George Armstrong Custer. People say, you know, he fucked up Georgia so bad. That's why so much of the bad feelings about the Confederacy rising up remain to this day. Yeah. he could have Taken his foot off the gas a little bit. I think well, uh, general Sherman was went a little too hard Hey, he said he'd make Georgia howl and he did he did not a liar

Yeah drunk, but not a liar. I read his book a few of it. I really am interested in Sherman He's just kind of a fucking weird guy. It's like I wrote his books, a few of his. I really am interested in Sherman. He's just kind of a fucking weird guy. It's like, it's hard to pin down. He's hard to pin down where he stood on like slavery, but he knew he hated people that liked slavery. It's just very like, his writings are very all over the place, but he, Hey man, you need to get over the alternative. Yeah, no, for real, for real. Well, it's crazy too, because all of his shit, he didn't get to fight in any of the wars. So he just spent his time riding his horse around the South.

And then so, and like he missed all these other bigger wars, like the Seminole War. He kept showing up late. Just kidding me! Just getting passed over. So then by the time the Civil War hit, he's like, bro, I know this fucking entire map, like the back of my hand. I've just been listening to fucking emo music on my horse this whole time. I'm ready.

Put me in. That guy had like four pent up wars in him. Yeah. Yeah. A little, a little freaky. Yeah. All right. So that was my, whatever that was.

That was your overrated. I think. Okay. George something. Edward Pickett's charge. Edward Pickett's charge. Edward Pickett's charge, that's right. All right, let's take a quick break. We'll come right back and talk about Drake.

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We're back. And we're back. Yeah. And it is time for us to ask you both, what is something you think is underrated? Janie, you want to kick us off this time? Underrated, yeah, okay. So this is another one I've just been kind of thinking about a lot lately as we like further like descend

into like horrific fascism. But I really hate these people. I really hate like the world right now. I really hate a lot of things. But one thing that is really kind of like just sticking with me, that has stuck with me like since the election is seeing all of these like tasteless losers like gloating and being happy.

And you know, not, I would never by any means hand it to the Nazis, but the Italians had some style, you know, they had some swag. You know, in fact, I think if I remember my history correctly, they were only in it for the suits. And those people like seeing these motherfuckers like be like, oh, my God, church is so aesthetic. And so go into like having a family is so base, like all these my God, church is so aesthetic. It's going, like having a family is so base. Like all these like boring,

just boring signifiers of like white Protestant Christianity and touting it as this like aesthetic standard of like beauty. It's like, what happened to taste? Like what happened to like, I don't know. Like I seem to, maybe like I'm retconning this in my mind, but like I seem to remember like, evil fascists had some form of like, I don't know, like taste like like salami. Like, like they were like, I don't know, like they were they had they had some kind of evil elegance to them. But I guess it's just like distinctly American

that like our form of fascism is like, they're making a beef tallow, come back to McDonald's. It's so gross to me. The only moisturizer I use is beef tallow. Yeah, eating sticks of butter is actually the healthiest thing you can do. You look like shit. It's just so gross.

I hate it. Maybe we were cool after all, all along because president, because we're in power. The thing that's always cool. I don't, I don't understand the theory that they, they're like, we won the, the guy we like won the presidential election and therefore maybe we were cool. Right. That's presidents aren't cool. Yeah, they've never were cool. Right. Presidents aren't cool. Yeah.

It does not. It also ties in with the whole like people like being like the whole kind of push to make conservatism seem like counter-cultural, seem like punk rock and stuff. It's like, yeah, well now you control every chamber of government. How fucking punk rock is that? Like how rage against the machine is that dude?

Like it's fucking ridiculous. Like, it's just, these people make no good art, no good music, no good nothing. And they get to walk around like they're like the symbols of like aesthetic beauty. And I hate it. It makes me so hate it. What are their podcasts? Yeah. I heard somebody bring this up. I forget who it was, but I do like I'm, I'm not going to listen, but who, I want somebody to listen to their podcasts once Trump is an off. Like, what

are they, they're going to just be like, man, the president is cool. Yeah. What are they going to talk? What are they going to bitch about? Yeah. Yeah. It also, another weird thing is how like all these, like, especially if you're like still like on Twitter, like all of these like right-wing accounts, like to use like AI, which is like, I thought you guys were the ones that had like

Bronze Age statues as like your avatars and being like, this is like peak, like blah, blah. It's like, but now you're all like proudly touting like AI slobs, like it's, it, blah. But now you're all proudly touting AI slobs. It's ugly. Everything is ugly. And I just hate it. Not that fascism would be better if it was pretty. For the record, it would still be horrible. Sure, sure. Right. But they're not even bothering with that part. Yes. I think that's what... Is that we not even bothering with like, yeah, it's just everything's ugly.

Everything is a Marifat and gross and I hate it. Yeah. Like when history books look back on this period of fascism, it's gonna be like, wait, how did they fall for this shit? It looks so awful. I know. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it's not, who made the quote about like, we couldn't like destroy any American cultural landmark because their cultural landmarks are like McDonald's and SpongeBob, you know, right? Yeah, we spread them out. They're like oxygen. They're all around. Try and take us down, try and take us down.

And isn't that what's cool? Yeah. In the end. Yeah, if they, if we don't get the beef tallow back the terrorist one, that's right Carmen was something you think's underage. Oh, I think getting your whole face done is So underrated and this is for assist people too If you if you don't like something about your face go and see a plastic surgeon, baby Now granted mine was covered by insurance

and it did cost $200,000 for the insurance, not for me. But I got a 10-hour surgery on the day before election day and Janie came and visited me in the hospital, spent the day with me in the hospital, in fact, on election day. And it was just a great time. I loved getting surgery. I loved being in the hospital. I, you know, it's great.

And I'm three weeks out. You're the one person who had a good election day. Yeah. Well. I had a horrible election day. Yeah. I will say I was watching from my bed in the hospital and I was like, you know what? This is, this fucking sucks. And I quickly emailed my other surgeon to schedule my fucking breast augmentation.

So. I was trying to make her feel better too. Like I brought her some soup, like we were hanging out. She was like a little worried about it. I was like, you know, I think it's gonna be close. And this was my opinion for a long time. Like I think it's gonna be really close, but I think she'll eke it out at the end.

I even had a kind of fun theory in my head that maybe the Democrats would lose the popular vote, but win the electoral college. Obviously, none of this, none of this came to be. But I felt like bad because like I, I lied to her. Yeah, I told her everything was going to be OK. And I was just, I don't know. I felt bad because I pay attention to this stuff. And I like, I mean, not saying Carmen does it, but like all of my people that I knew,

I was trying to like reassure them like, look, I think she'll leak it out. I think it's gonna be okay. Yeah, right. And I was really wrong. She did not. We can just. The can down the road for a couple more years. Literally. It's going to be fine guys. Trump was so cool the first time. It was fine. Everything was so dumb.

He was so dumb. He couldn't even do nothing. Oh my God. Late night is about to get so funny. Yeah. Punk rock's about to get another American idiot guys. Like I had, I want to say real quick. Yeah, punk rock's about to get another American idiot, guys. Right. I want to say real quick, I spent election night playing a board game called Storm the Capitol with my bandmates. We were supposed to be practicing, but I was like, guys, I'm too distracted. Can we just play this board game?

And it's a board game where you like... Was it made by J6 prisoners? No, it was made by like... To support their bail initiative. Yeah, no, it was made by like ironic, like lefty, like podcaster type. It's a very fun board game. Shouts out to V-Storm, the capital board game. You play as like the capital police versus the...

The insurrectionist system. Yeah, it's like an insurrection monopoly mixed with like a Magic the Gathering type combat system. It's really fun. So then are you as Capitol Police like faced with like a card? It's like, do you acknowledge your inner inclinations to support these people and look the other way or do you do your job? No, it's more like... Pick it up with baked Alaska. I have like the Capitol Police is like the dungeon master, kind of.

And you control like three different police officers. And then everyone else is like the insurrectionist. And they have to go through flipping desks to find ballots. And once they find enough ballots, they have to get to the great rotunda, climb onto the roof and go and meet President Trump for his victory. And I'm I'm trying to stop that. And you get like car. There's like event cards where you have to like sing the national anthem in its entirety.

There's one that's like a fuck, marry, kill type thing. The event cards are really fun. It's really fun. Its entirety, like with the slavery versus? I don't know. We don't know about that. As the Dungeon Master, when I did that, I, well, my friend didn't know the national anthem. So I don't think he would have known the remix of it either.

I just feel like that would be like the deep cut of that game. It's like, no, the full version of the Star Wars. Well, if you're playing as Capitol Police, you have free will to throw in things like that if you want. Right. I feel like it's going to be, uh, it's going to have the same evolution as the game Monopoly, where like Monopoly started as a satire of capitalism.

And now it's just like, Oh yeah. I fuck you. Yeah. It would be funny seeing conservatives like they're in prison playing Storms of the Capitol together. It's going to get bought by Parker Brothers. Yeah, they're like, there's nothing like the real thing. What is something, Carmen, that you think is overrated?

Well, I don't think it's gonna come to anyone's surprise, but the US, the US sucks. I went on, I left the country for the first time in October. I went to Miles's homeland of Japan. I might have to go back with my mom, who knows based on what Trump does. Yeah, you know what, do it, because you can buy a really nice house in Japan

for not much money, which is pretty great. But I'm a total weeaboo now because they fucking blew my mind with the public transportation over there. Yeah. Imagine that every city has inner city transportation on a train that comes like every two minutes. Yeah.

And imagine that you could get on a train that comes like every two minutes. Yeah. And imagine that you could get on a bullet train and go fucking anywhere you want to in the country. And imagine that the trains don't smell like piss because... Oh, they smell like poo? No, they don't smell like poo either. Because they smell like Galaxy Gas? Do they smell like this? Pina Colada, Pina Colada flavor Galaxy Gas.

But imagine that every train station is a fucking mall with public restrooms and shops and lockers and all of this shit. I'm just like, wow, they are in the year 4,024. I feel like you're describing so many sci-fi universes that I've seen. And it's just like, nah, we just went to Japan and like showed y'all what Japan looks like. And you guys were like, wow! What the fuck?

You can buy a sandwich on the train platform. Yeah, like imagine if we fucking cared enough about our own people to do public transportation right like that. It would never happen. It would never happen. And they get to be a fascist country too. They do. On top of it. Yeah, they got to do their thing too. They would never happen. And they get to be a fascist country too. They do.

They got to do their thing too. They did their thing. I was actually there during the political, like when the election campaign was kicking off. So I saw a bunch of stump speeches. And some of them sound, I obviously didn't know what they were saying, but

the tenor was Yes, the tenor was. And I know what they were saying, but the the tenor was Yes Well, I know that they do have very nationalist like politics. Oh, yeah Like it's even for me like I love being in Japan But like there's still that part where like I'm not really considered Japanese like yeah oddly in through the eyes of like traditional Japanese culture which which fucking sucks, because I speak Japanese fluently without an accent. And people are like,

where'd you learn how to talk like that? And I'm always like, because I'm Japanese, I'm like, right, right. You're like the, you know those YouTube videos where it's like white boy goes to Chinese village, speaks fluent Mandarin, locals amazed. They're like, no fuck. They're like, how'd you do that brown skin?

And I'm like, my mother? I had several moments where they made fun of me for, because I tried to speak as much Japanese as I possibly could because I understood that like, that's the most, one of the most respectful things that you can do. And I, you know, tried to follow like the customs and stuff as best I could. But one time, you know, I was like, Ohio, because I'm like, you know, like to the like attendant

at the 7-Eleven. And then the guy, the Japanese guy who came after me was like, good morning. And I was like, fuck, like, he's making fun of me right now. I do the same thing when I'm practicing Spanish. Like when I'm like working somewhere, like with a bunch of Spanish people.

They mock you. Well, I'll try to like practice my Spanish and they'll be like, oh no, it's okay. I'm like, I'm sorry. You're alright. I feel like the only way I could learn is if I had a dialogue with someone, but they just don't. I guess it's not their emotional labor to teach me Spanish.

Right. I guess a dual-lingual has to do. I said, I want to. I want to. I want to do it. I want to be like a hero. Yo quiero to do it. Yo quiero más practicar de mi español. No. Okay. I want to be like Denzel Washington in training day. Like, yeah, you want to be smooth with it, I guess. I thought you meant somebody smoke PCP. You never get a ride with Janey. Why don't you hit this real quick? Damn, Carmen.

I didn't know he got wet. Yeah, I'm like Carmen. That's't know he got wet My Carmen that's galaxy In the hospital my face off The bowl of soup yes, I'm super like oh shit Carmen. I know you like to get wet like No, I walked in there Brings the nurse I was like she's in pain. I like took the perc that brings the nurse and I was like, she's in pain. I like took the Percocets from her. I was like, thanks. I just walked out. Like, see you later, Carmen. Good luck with the face.

Jayne, what's something you think's overrated? Percocets and Galaxy Gas. No, I'm just kidding. I'm going to say, I don't know if y'all have talked about this yet, but blue sky is overrated. The Twitter alternative is overrated. I'm only saying this because I will acknowledge it is a lot better than Twitter as a social media app because there's, you know, you can log on, see people, do all the things Twitter does and there's just like 99% less little Hitlers running around and ruining everyone's day. But I see a lot of people make kind of like

small bean posting about it like, Oh, it's so nice. It's nice to have a little like safe base like that. And it's making me feel crazy because they have we not forgotten that like social media is just like, bad. Like, yeah Yeah, the concept of social media is not good. Every second you spend on it, you'd be better off suited reading a book or watching something. Painting something. Yeah, doing anything else. Blue sky is health food. It's what I'm going to be doing instead of spending time with my children.

Yeah, I know. Because George Takei's posts are fairly wholesome. Yeah. Cause AOC is here and she, yeah. Like it's just, it's, I don't know. I gotta say, it's, I am on blue sky as an alternative to Twitter, but I also have the same, it was in the running for my over-80s. I know you were going to say that yesterday.

I remember that. Yeah. Wow. I just, there's so much of it as people being, and I'm not citing, because I think Nazis are also coming in and be like, blue sky sucks, it's like an echo chamber. It's like, you guys just spent $44 billion

making your own echo chamber. So like, but it does just feel like a lot of the content that gets surfaced is people talking about how good it feels to be on Blue Sky. And not enough just like, oh, this is what I would get on Twitter except without the Nazis, which is what I'm there for. I think it's like the difference between drowning in water and drowning in boiling water, where it's like Twitter felt like, oh, I was drowning in boiling water. It was terrible. So nice just to be drowning in boiling water. Where it's like Twitter felt like, oh, I was drowning in boiling water, it was terrible. So nice just to be drowning in irregular water. But actually- I need a Polarian jihad.

Also it's- Also it's doomed. Yeah, true. It makes me like, even before Elon Musk bought Twitter, you were having like these same people being like, oh, another day on the Laybird app hell sites. And it's like,

you were calling this a hell site before like now you have another hell site like you have another like the whole point of Twitter is just to like see things that make you kind of mad real quick like to see things that make you like disagree start conversations and blue sky really isn't that much different like I, there's a lot of the fun things. There's a lot of people I like that are funny. There's a lot of funny jokes. Like, social media can be like fun and Blue Sky has the legs for it to be like fun now that it has like people on it.

But let's just not like kid ourselves. Like social media is not like good and like making like another one that even though it's less, you know, overtly Hitlerian, it's not really like good for you. Yeah, well, I think the other part too is when you really think about it, like I obviously once after the election, I'm like, all right, this shit's fully cooked. But a lot of the thing too,

I feel like there are a lot of like libs who were like, don't want to face the Twitter reality of it. And they want to go to the blue sky version of whatever political reality they want to be in. And because the moderation is better, they're interacting less with the posts that are like reminding them of like how terrible the campaign was and how it failed. And you can sort of surround yourself with like other people and like, oh, I mean, Dems

did pretty good, man, for like, you compare that around the world. You think about it? Exciting with the Cheneys? Great idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, like, yeah, for me, I think the one good thing is like, it does feel like if the people I talk to are who they are and it's moderated, but again, that's a slippery slope because you excel,

we look like a couple of years down the line and inevitably it's going to have the same problems Twitter did. Yeah, quite possibly. It is, it is like, it does feel better. Like I, like as opposed to Twitter, it certainly does feel better not having like the blue checks, not having all the gimmick posts, not having as much AI slop and not having to deal with again, just millions of little fucking Hitlers running around. But I mean, I don't know.

I don't know how happy I should really be about that. Like, I don't know. Like, and also it's very concerning that like Twitter, like one, like it's very concerning that like Elon Musk, like his like whole gamb gambit like that he didn't even want to do to begin with that he tried to wriggle his way out of that it eventually worked he turned it into a right-wing media sphere and I mean I can't I'm not gonna confidently say like that like swung the election in any way, but like, it worked, you know, like, like all these other things like true social parlor, all those like

conservative things didn't work, but buying Twitter and transforming it in the way that he did obviously had some kind of like net benefit. And that is a bit concerning. Like, yeah, who's to say like, I don't know, someone else doesn't come along and do this to Facebook, Metta, like Instagram, like, I don't know, China, please hold on to TikTok. We need you. President Xi, I'm still in line to vote for President Xi. Stay in line. Stay in line.

Yeah, I feel like the tech billionaires might do it themselves. They might do it for like, Mark Zuckerberg might not need to sell Facebook. No, exactly. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, everybody seems to just be. Yeah. Damn. Elon's actually pretty cool.

He's just doing it so he can keep putting up his SoundCloud rap tracks with T-Pain. That's all like Mark Zuckerberg's doing. Yeah. Thanks. It's so weird to watch him be like, Iberg's doing. Yeah. Thanks, thanks so much. That's all he's doing right now. It's so weird to watch him be like, I don't wanna do all that fat shit, dude.

I just kinda wanna wear chains and kinda let y'all know. I kinda just low key wished I was a black guy in college. Yo, how sad is it that we were supposed to get the like Elon Mark Zuckerberg fight that would have actually been like kinda fun and entertaining. And we got the fucking sad ass Jake Paul Mike Tyson fight. Yeah, it's not too late though. We are just in like open oligarchy now.

So I think like maybe we're, we as the, you know, hoy-polloy, we can, we can maybe motivate them to fight each other, to prove to us who we should follow. What happened to Tate? Yeah, I feel like Trump's version of Putin's oligarchy would be instead of like god damn These people have the slipperiest balconies at their Sweets they keep falling the fuck out He would just have them like fight to the death for his entertainment in the octagon, you know

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by naming a bunch of words of the year, or new words that we're adding to the dictionary this year. They're hit and miss. Miriam Webster hits sometimes with one, it's like, yeah, that's so weird. That wasn't a word this time last year, and now it's in the lexicon. I think last year was authentic. Was there a Webster's Diccha word of the year?

That one sucks. But yeah, we knew about authentic before, but that one was number two. But Riz, Riz is like a word that I can't stop hearing. Kids love it. Young people are just telling me I've got it constantly everywhere I go. But I feel like the one thing we can count on is dictionary.com is going to fuck it up. Yeah.

So last year, their word of the year was hallucinate. As in AI hallucinates. Okay, okay. Which is bullshit. Like that's, that's AI is not hallucinating. AI is just making shit up because it's wrong because it's bad technology. And it's just, they just like chose a like buzzword used by AI marketers to try and like spice up what they're, how their AI fucks up to be like try and use that in your job when you fuck up and see if you don't get fired.

And you're like, yo, sorry, I was hallucinating like a motherfucker back. Sorry, I crashed the forklift. I was hallucinating. Yeah. Why do I need to get into the why? Yeah. I mean, I got to know. Every time you're auto correct, like, puts the wrong word in, call that a hallucination. Like that, because that's essentially all the AI is doing. It's just being programmed incorrectly and like pointing in the wrong direction. And making things, I mean, really what it is, is AI is designed to give you an answer, whether it has the right answer or not. And so it will make one up. Anyways, this year, dictionary.com went with demure as the word of the year for 2024. I liked the first video that used demure. I haven't enjoyed a single reference, like a single person being like,

in a single reference, like a single person being like, this is very demure. Like in reference to that video, it just was immediately like, nobody's like really used it in a fun way. It sucked right away. I feel like. Yeah. I it's, it's, it's fine. Like whatever, like you're just saying, like that was a cool moment on tick talk. But then it's also a thing where now like you, a lot of us are like,

dude, stop fucking saying that. Like just like, shit is cooked already. Like we're done. That's why I guess hallucinate is better and more because it's referencing something that is going to affect all of us. And even if they're not, you know, sort of interrogating that in a more meaningful way, it's the word is hallucinate. Whereas again, when you look at, Oh, you said, oh, of course.

Yeah, I understand the trans girlies love in demure because I know the creator of that. There was a whole thing I remember because the IP got stolen and there was all this drama about who can use demure and all this other shit. But the thing with like you look at like just other words of the year that feel that they encapsulate things, they feel I don't know. I guess that part of me is like, why do I even give a fuck? The world's fucking ending man. And we're talking about them here because in shitification was the, uh, I don't,

I've never heard of this dictionary, probably because I'm American, the Macquarie dictionaries word of the year. Chris was where the guy who wrote usual suspects. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Is in shitification, but it's also interesting. The, the honorable mention, one of the honorable mentions is raw dogging.

So maybe we always do need to reference something from social media as our word of the year. I'll take, I'll take it. Yeah. Yeah. Dog. But even then I'm even dubious about people that are actually raw dogging flights. I know there are some people who don't literally don't need anything, but so many people

were posting shit like, yo, I just raw dog the whole flight to fucking Berlin fam. No, you didn't. You didn't. Did it? Sorry. Did one of the dictionaries lend its heft of word of the year to raw dogging? Or was that like a finalist? It was a finalist.

That was from Aquarius. Yeah. That was a honorable mentions outside and shitification word of the year, right to disconnect and raw dogging were honorable mentions. Like raw dogging reality, raw dogging. Yeah, but- It's basically a word for sobriety, I feel like.

Well, let's be real. Raw dogging is having sex without a condom on. Like that is what that comes from. That is hilarious to me that they are mainlining, you know, that for the dictionary, the stage square point dexter's at the dictionary thought, you know what? We fucked too. Raw dogging will be our word of the year.

We're actually cool guys and we go to parties. Yeah. Yeah. Well, look, we'll see, we'll see. We, we don't still don't know Webster's word of the year. Yeah. Yeah. Well, look, we'll see. We'll see. We don't still don't know Webster's word of the year. Yeah. And we'll cover that in our year in review of the years and review articles that we do at the end of the year. Did you, were the youths of New Zealand using Demure a lot? Do you know? I mean, obviously, because social media has created such a global culture, but.

Yeah. Did you hear a lot? Demure definitely had a moment. I produced two queer podcasts basically, and yeah, Demure had a big moment, but it's like culture moves so quickly now. These memes like move through the population. They go, they hit so big, and they're there for about three afternoons,

and then it's on to the next thing, which does make it tricky. You know, if you're gonna start leaning into internet culture to determine your word of the year, it's like dog shit is going way too quick. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Why?

That's what I think. That's what I'm like. It just immediately felt like a 55 year old magazine editor was like, all right, you need to get me five headlines with demure in it. Like every time I saw it used after the initial video was just, just felt like people trying to fucking fit it in and like having no, uh, familiarity with the culture and like how, how it was being used just felt like L city. Can I throw something up at you guys and you can like, feel free to, you cut this, right?

Yeah. If you want, I just like, I think the whole, the Hikoi thing and the treaty moment we're having in New Zealand at the moment, if we, I would feel bad to not at least float the balloon to talk about that as a dude from New Zealand with the audience that you guys have. And I'm not very like super well versed on it, but I just think it's such a crazy important thing that's happening at the moment. And if you guys want a little sort of information on the ground about that. Yeah, I would love to hear about how it feels in New Zealand right now. And yeah, just what's happening.

But Tim, I do want to ask because in America, we get very narrow sort of depictions of what is happening outside of the US, especially if it's intersecting with things like indigenous culture. But I know a few weeks ago, or maybe it was last week now at this point, time flies so slow and fast at the same time. I think a lot of people on the internet were like, yo, they're doing

the Haka like in parliament in New Zealand. And most of the discourse sort of ends like that shit's sick. Me looks at it like looking at it like a broader historical context than in terms of colonialism and stuff. I'm like, this is amazing. And also heartbreak. Like, can what can you just sort of break that down for our audience as well? Because I don't want everybody to think it was like that's sick. They just did the Hawkeye and everything is OK, because that's a hundred percent, man. For most of us, we are fully tuned in.

It sort of came across. I'm glad that you asked about this. It is such an incredible moment to be living through, like as a New Zealander and altera in New Zealand at the moment. So a bit of back story with this. It is such an incredible moment to be living through like as a New Zealander in Aotearoa, New Zealand at the moment. So a bit of backstory with this, there is a guy called David Seymour, who is the leader of a right-wing libertarian party here called ACT. And he is this very weird guy who has just stuck around and been funded by very rich people. I don't know if you guys have talked about the Atlas Network before, which is like this super capitalized right-wing media and political network

that exists around the world, mainly in the mayor. Yeah, we got a couple of them. You got quite a few. But basically all libertarians are so well-funded. They're a little... Oh my God. All libertarians are so well funded. It's always these like super opaque invisible like trust situations where the funders are hidden from public view and these public interest groups just pop up and they've got like incredibly slick advertising and they employ like 50 people even though no one votes for them in New Zealand.

It's like where the fuck are you guys getting your money? And a lot of really good journalists have dug around and tried to figure that out. And I think the short answer is billionaires from America, mainly. So this guy, David Seymour has proposed essentially to lay down in law some different definitions of the Treaty of Waitangi. The Treaty of Waitangi is the legal document

that is sort of the foundational document of New. The Treaty of Waitangi is the legal document that is sort of the foundational document of New Zealand that was signed in 1840. It is the legal basis for white people such as myself to sort of be in this country, which had the sovereignty of, was looked after by the Maori people who are the indigenous people here in New Zealand.

So when Europeans started coming here, British people came here, there was a lot of terrible shit that they were doing. They're basically like criminals and causing a lot of trouble and they kept coming. And so a lot of the iwi, which iwi is the name for a tribe, like a Māori tribe. So they kind of came together and they were like, hey, you guys got to sort your shit out. Like we will allow you to form a governmental structure in New Zealand because you need to sort all of these trouble making British people out who are like drunks and thieves and starting violence and raping our women and all this sort of stuff. So there is two versions of this document. There is the English language version, the Treaty of Waitangi, and then there is the

Maori language version, which is Teteriti. The definitions, as you can probably guess, and the two with the language that are used are quite different. So we've got a problem here. We've got this one document, which is supposed to mean the same thing, but in two languages, which actually means quite different things and guarantees different rights and responsibilities to each party. quite different things and guarantees different rights and responsibilities to each party. And there has been a long storied, slow, productive sort of march of progress of people over the

many decades since. We've had like real low points in our national history trying to deal with this issue. But there's from about 1970, which was when there was a resurgence of Maori language in New Zealand. So Maori have their own language, Te Reo, and it got beaten out of them at school, like they could not use it by dint of violence. There was a resurgence of that that started in the 70s, which has started a real revitalization of the culture and the whole Maori

worldview, which is like being this really beautiful and kind of world leading indigenous movement and a real beacon of hope to other indigenous people around the world. And like most Kiwis really embrace this, like average Kiwis really embrace this thing and they love it. Of course it's got its detractors and stuff at the right fringes in particular, but like it's been a really beautiful, slow moving sort of journey towards how we get this thing together.

So you know this politician, David Seymour, libertarian, really well funded by overseas donors, has managed to, just by sticking around and taking slings and arrows over the years, he's now the Deputy Prime Minister of New Zealand in this weird coalition right wing government that we've got and he has proposed a bill which all the other parties said we're not going to like endorse this whatsoever but he's got a first reading of it which would

try to redefine basically the terms of the treaty and it has been one of the proudest like moments of my New Zealand life to just see every Maori, you know, group and all of their allies come together and just say, not on your fucking life dog. No, we've made way too much progress for you to come in here and fuck this shit up. So there was a, what's called a Hikoi, which is a peaceful walk, uh, that went like, what is this? I think it's about 800 kilometers from Auckland to Wellington.

And they even started further north. So they did this huge march down the country where they gained tens of thousands of people along the way to come to the seat of power at parliament and go, nah. And then you've seen like the Haka that was in parliament, TJ Perenara, who's an All Black, he did a very specific Haka targeted around this issue

during an all blacks game recently. And there's just been, it's like- Oh, is that the one against France? Yes, yeah, yeah, that's right. I think so, yeah, right. And it's, oh, Italy maybe? Italy, actually. Oh, okay.

So that's Italy match. I would implore people to kind of, if you've got the time and inclination, dig into issue, because I think New Zealand could act as a real beacon for how other countries could try and deal with this. We're by no means perfect, obviously, but I think just there has been a genuine concerted effort in my lifetime for us to try and figure out how to live together and sort of enrich the Maori culture and also like help this systemically oppressed people who are represented terribly and all the statistics you would expect

like health and imprisonment and education and stuff because we'd fucking beat the shit out of them and took their language away and their land away and all of the stuff is guess what there's implications of that down the line. And my fear at the moment is that this, this story is bubbled up on the world stage a bit and it's kind of drawn the attention of all these right wing, you know, sort of Manosphere podcast types where they just see the surface level. And I've already seen like just little glimpses of the commentary on that. And like, fuck that's such a, it feels to me such a dangerous thing that these guys with massive platforms who have zero context for what's actually going

on on the ground here are just making these flippant comments. There's one, there's an interview in particular, which like, I don't know if it'll translate super well if you don't have New Zealand context, but a guy called Jack Tame, who's one of our journalists for TV New Zealand here, interviewed David Seymour last week and kind of dismantled his argument pretty well, I thought. He was like, if you've got an agreement between two parties, isn't it completely unjust that one of the parties, which is the government gets to completely redefine the terms of it, just at its behest?

Yeah. So it's an interesting moment to be living through. And yeah, I think David Seymour has underestimated just how much he's like kicked the hornets nest here, which is kind of cool to see. Yeah. I mean, I think, I mean, like the one article I read that was like an on from NBC news.com was just so. Like devoid of details.

It was just kind of like, they're talking about renegotiating or redefining a contract to the certain support without really kind of drilling into the humanity of it and the history of it because that's what's so important. And I think for an American audience who obviously has its own terribly sorted history with how the government was interacting with indigenous people, it's like a, like unfathomable, like that. They're like, wow, because the way this, the, there, there was no treaty or anything, this was just merely like real forced relocation. And now we're saying, well, like, you know, you want to be your own country,

then don't ask us for help. And here you go. And we'll turn our backs on you and then wonder why things are falling apart. And yeah, I, I'm, I'm always very heartened when I see how different our cultures are in that respect. Yeah, I mean, there is something to that that I would hope could be something inspirational, but how are these chud dudes trying to hijack the conversation around that? It's wild that the Manosphere has sided with like a politician who went on Dancing with the Stars and David Seymour and like not the all-black like

Rugby, it's like any credibility any Client like what their America is like having this crisis in media where they're like How do we attract men like and be like more manly to attract and it It has nothing to do with, they just want to be fucking racist. So much of it is just them looking for a fucking excuse to be fucking racist pieces of shit and it has nothing to do. If ever there was an opportunity for them to be like, okay, which is the cooler, more manosphere thing.

Right. I think it would be siding with the Maori, not billionaire libertarians. There's the thing is that the other side of this is like, isn't it sort of part of, you know, testosterone fueled man culture to be against the man? Like all your archetypes and heroes supposed to be the guy who's like going against the system and defending, you know, the downtrodden. That is, I don't think there could be a more stark example right now in New Zealand than the interest that David Seymour is representing and the Maori

people who are like just standing proud and strong and developing their own systems to enshrine their culture and their language and their rights, you know, that were given to them not that long ago in a legal fucking document, which is the whole reason why white people are here in New Zealand. Like, surely they are there. If you're looking for those kind of comic book style superhero archetypes, like you got one staring you in the face, but unfortunately, yeah, you would have to probably let go of a bit of your racism and intense kind of right-wing libertarian

economic political view, which is what a lot of this boils down to. And that's kind of the bit that I find exciting is, is what is good for Māori is good for everyone. Like it is, it is a, it is stewarding the environment. It's like a deep connection and protection of the environment and saying like, we need to protect the water that we drink and the wildlife that lives in the environment that we inhabit. And the whole concept of land ownership, like I know this is a common story with

indigenous people around the world, but it's just like, what are you talking about? It's like, you don't own land. You fucker. You walk around on it and you kind of, you can like take resources from it to sustain yourself, but resource extraction and stuff is just so antithetical to the Maori worldview by and large. And I always say, I don't want to, you know, get too out in front of my skis. I'm not Maori, so I don't want to represent the whole Maori worldview, but it's a cool thing to watch as the New Zealander at the moment, the pushback, cause it has been bigger and broader

and louder than expected. And it is kind of nice to see around the world, even though it's drawing the attention of these right wing podcast dudes, the bulk of things that I'm seeing as well, like on Reddit and that are going, this looks fucking, what's going on in your parliament, dude? That looks cool. Right. Yeah.

I mean, it, yeah, it is interesting to see how I think it makes sense though, that too, that like in the Manosphere, they only respect sort of like violence and absolute power, so they would eventually side with colonizers to be like, well, you know, they got colonized. Dude, it is what it is. Exactly, dude. Yeah. And I think that's what's kind of, that's something that I think, I mean, I hope to

see sort of that sentiment change. But the one thing that I feels like is becoming a theme more and more is like you get these sort of right wingers really get gassed up on their own bullshit. And then they're like, oh, not everyone thinks like this. And it's actually getting a massive response. Those are the kinds of things I'm like, we need to keep our eyes on because I think at the moment we're in this country, a lot of people are not sure what to do about anything.

And some are just like, do I just retreat to comfort? Do I just keep my head down? And I think a big thing is going to be about making yourself like making it be known where you stand and what you stand for and a much deeper level. But that bridge will be crossed fairly shortly. Well put. All right, that's going to do it for this week's weekly zeitgeist. Please like and review the show if you like the show. It means the world to Miles. He needs your validation folks. I hope you're having a great weekend and I will talk to you

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