The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 350 (Best of 12/2/24-12/6/24)

Episode Date: December 8, 2024

The weekly round-up of the best moments from DZ's season 367 (12/2/24-12/6/24)See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information....

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Starting point is 00:00:00 We want to speak out and we want this to stop. Wow, very powerful. I'm Ellie Flynn, an investigative journalist, and this is my journey deep into the adult entertainment industry. I really wanted to be a player boy, my doll. He was like, I'll take you to the top, I'll make you a star. To expose an alleged predator and the rotten industry he works in. It's honestly so much worse than I had anticipated.
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Starting point is 00:03:13 AT&T, connecting changes everything. Hello, the internet and welcome to this episode of the weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week all edited together into one non-stop infotainment laugh stravaganza. So without further ado, here is the weekly Zeitgeist. Miles, we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by an award-winning comedian and co-host of the Good Muslim, Bad Muslim podcast featured on Oprah Magazine. She is the pop culture collaborative senior fellow on comedy for social change. It's the brilliant, the talented Zara Norba!
Starting point is 00:04:03 Zara Norba! Zara what up? What up? What up? Yes, Zara. Hi. Yeah, how was Thanksgiving? Hi. Good? Oh my God, hi.
Starting point is 00:04:12 Hey. Oh my God, Thanksgiving was delicious. We had turkey. Oh wow. I'd love to hear that. I was curious what people eat on Thanksgiving, And it is turkey, it turns out. I also had ham for the first time. Not for the first time in my life.
Starting point is 00:04:31 Oh, okay. I'm the pork eating Muslim, but ham for the first time at Thanksgiving. Yeah. That was like a side meat along with the turkey. It was a side meat. Why do we eat turkey? I think the turkey pairs better with the savory sides. So I do two plates. My first plate, turkey stuffing,
Starting point is 00:04:52 mashy potates and some gravy. And then on the ham one, I like to go with the sweet potato casserole on the side there, because that has the, I feel like ham goes well with the sweet. Ham's a little bit of a sweetie Super sweet it was all buttery and delicious and very salty and I'm still puffy. Yeah, are you? Yeah, I'm gonna be bloated for I don't know couple of months this dang wedding ring won't come off
Starting point is 00:05:21 wedding ring won't come off. That's why I don't wear mine. Yeah, because I'm about to go to the club and ball out. Thank you. Do we think, I feel like for all the guff that Turkey gets, and we give it a lot of guff on this podcast, I'll tell you, the dryness, I feel like is the thing that made people come out of their comfort zone and invent gravy and stuffing and mashed potatoes and all those wonderful moist and rehydrated. I can't. It sounds like you're talking about my vagina. Come on now.
Starting point is 00:05:59 The dryness. You got to have that with a side of mashed potatoes. What? What? What? Do you know what I wanna talk about? Clear your calendar. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:12 Fuck your agenda. I celebrated this year 20 years of marriage with my husband. Congratulations. 20 years? Holy cow. 20 years. I didn't even realize y'all were together that long. Holy shit. 20 years. 20 years. I didn't even realize y'all were together that long. 20 years. 20 years.
Starting point is 00:06:27 Yeah. Congratulations. Yeah. You're canonically 28. Yeah. That's what I'm, canonically. Right, right. I mean, canonically, I don't know what that means
Starting point is 00:06:38 because I don't do mental math, but it's a long time. Yeah, it is a long time. As a bisexual woman, this long, monogahomously. Yeah. The monogs, Patrick Monoghs over here. Dedicated to one dick. Yeah. Wow.
Starting point is 00:06:55 And? That's what I'm going to go around saying. Yeah. Just get a t-shirt to celebrate your anniversary. Dedicated to one dick for 20 years and counting. Get a t-shirt to celebrate your anniversary. Dedicated to one dick for 20 years and counting. I'm not one of those people that needs to like celebrate her husband's dick for everyone.
Starting point is 00:07:12 Yeah, yeah, sure, sure. I don't need to talk about like how big it is and how hard he goes and how I'm just orgasming all the time. I don't need to do that. Is that like a consolation thing for the penis haver to like always talk about it? It's like, so thank you so much for talking about
Starting point is 00:07:27 how hard my husband's Dick is like, uh, that you're doing the lig long, you're doing the lig, you're doing the Spock live long. I'm like, his Dick is so big. It's split. Wow. I get shocked. It's been 20 years by the one day. Wow.
Starting point is 00:07:55 That's pretty impressive. And strange. But kind of it's also with like an STD from like 2004 that we never investigated. Yeah. Yeah. Ruins the marriage to ask questions. We had that for Thanksgiving. That's just an added feature. Exactly. Pretty great. What is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? Okay. Dutch ovens. I wanted to know what they were used for.
Starting point is 00:08:17 Um, Jackie Scott, his mom won. It was really sweet. And so not the one that I was picturing in my mind. Go ahead. Nope. Okay. Nope. Not the far one. was picturing in my mind. Go ahead. No. Yeah. OK. No. Yeah. Not the far. No. Is that like a Kentucky woman?
Starting point is 00:08:29 What? That's a different one. OK. No, just Dutch ovens. I was like, what the hell? Oh, La Crozet. Yeah. Yeah. Because aren't they like like La Crozet? Well, La Crozet is one of the brands we can get other brands. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. We saw. But there's like so you can get other brands if you say so.
Starting point is 00:08:45 But there's like, so you can use it for so many different things. And I didn't know, and it's very specific. Yeah, what's the specific, I always just make big ass, like soups and shit in the Dutch oven that I have. I think it's good for like certain sauces and stuff. And like, if it's porcelain and cast iron like there's different like combinations I'm not quite sure right right, but yeah, I was like I carry my cat piss in there
Starting point is 00:09:12 Yeah, it's actually really good because nobody sees what you're carrying around it So you don't get all the question. They can like is that your pee? Jack we've been asking you Every Christmas you actually you just know. You actually don't smell it. You just know somebody tipped you off, and that's why you're asking. You're the weird guy in the holiday movie. You're the guy on the side,
Starting point is 00:09:32 carrying around your cat piss. You're like, oh, I got my famous chili. And nobody's like, get out of here. Better put it over here. Lacey Chabert is like, we can't have him in this movie. You're like, what can't have him in this movie. I'm sorry, it's one of the producers brothers. You're like, what about a wet Frosty? What about a wet yellow Frosty?
Starting point is 00:09:52 Huh? Oh yeah, a wet Frosty. I mean, Frosty would be wet if he was hot, like, you know, eventually. Anyways, melty Frosty. Hmm, that works. So anyways, did you guys get one? Those things, the leg crusade.
Starting point is 00:10:08 Not the leg crusade, like a different brand or whatever, but he bought one for his mom and she was very happy. You can just put them in anything. You can throw them in the oven. You can put one oven in the other oven. Yeah. That's how I make a lot of pasta meat, like a bolognese. You do that real slow, cook it real low in the oven. Wait, so what is a Kentucky woman, by the way?
Starting point is 00:10:30 I need to know. It's like a buttercup. I was only familiar with that. Why is it happening to me? What is going on? Nevermind, just move on. Do people still use Urban Dictionary? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:10:46 I think it's out there. I don't know how reliable it is. I know it's out there, but like, I've only ever heard of millennials using it. I feel like, does Gen Z use Urban Dictionary? They don't care what we're talking about. Probably not, because they're making everything up. They don't care what we're talking about. They're too busy soaking!
Starting point is 00:11:03 Yeah, exactly. Pounding dirty soeds. No, it's like when you cup a fart and you put it to someone's face. Oh, right, right, right, right, right. Hey, come here, smell this. That's a buttercup? Wait, is that a Kentucky woman or a buttercup? Buttercup.
Starting point is 00:11:20 Is a Kentucky woman two hands or what? No, it was used interchangeably with some of the kids. What's your problem with Kentucky women, man? I don't know. It was just so weird that you're like, what the fuck are you talking about? I like how you know multiple words for it. It's like, you're like, it's soda and pop. Yeah, this is what happens when you,
Starting point is 00:11:39 like the most technology you had at your fingertips at 16 years old was like a Nokia 3390 phone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like a snake. Although, my 11-year-old nephew, I did hear giving one of my sons a Dutch oven recently. They were referring to the Dutch oven and it made me feel like I was not 90 years old. This country isn't lost. This country has a damn future after all.
Starting point is 00:12:04 Blair, what is something you think is underrated? What is thing? Oh, my God. country isn't lost. This country has a damn future after all. Blair, what is something you think is underrated? What is thing? Oh, oh my God. Thank you for asking me. Cause I gotta say aliens, aliens. Are you kidding me? I'm obsessed with the aliens. I can't stop thinking about the aliens.
Starting point is 00:12:19 I spent all my time on alien tick talk. And, um, you know, I have to say, for being such a whack-a-doodle, I never thought about aliens once in my life until 2022 when the government said, like, they're real. And now everyone is just so uninterested and I can't stop thinking about it. I'm amazed and obsessed. I mean, everyone thought yesterday or the third was supposed to be alien invasion day. I kept reading that on the Internet.
Starting point is 00:12:52 I was like, just a fucking time. But then there are all those drones flying over like New Jersey and all over the US or people like, what are these car sized drones that are like hovering around? And I'm like, I don't know. I don't know. But yeah, I was always checking out my window on the hour every day, every hour yesterday because I was waiting. That big shadow to come over and you to look up like that.
Starting point is 00:13:17 Oh, take me, baby. I'm ready. Daddy alien, walk me like a dog. I'm exhausted. Would you be like, you know, an Independence Day there like those people in downtown L.A. on the top of the time was like the first interstate bank building with their signs like, yes, would you be with them? You're like, oh my God, you guys are eating.
Starting point is 00:13:39 Slay, bitch. No, I'm going to have homemade cookies ready for them. These are alien cookies. You like alien cookies? Daddy alien. They look like what I thought aliens were going to look like. They actually don't look like you. Sorry, you guys are real fucked up looking.
Starting point is 00:14:01 No, well, I am worried about that genuinely because, you know, well, I have been perusing all the theories on TikTok and people are like, well, what if the aliens are actually mermaids? And then, and then I started worrying about that because I was like, oh, I don't think they're gonna be like the hot mermaids from Peter Pan. I think I'm worried they're gonna look like a goddamn moray eel that's just like disgusting looking. Right, right. Yeah. Or like a maracuda to look like a goddamn Moray eel. That's just like disgusting looking.
Starting point is 00:14:25 Right. Yeah. But they're like a maracuda. Angler fish. Yeah, those fish that have the little light and the big nasty jaws. Yeah, I don't want them to have a grotesque face. Yeah, yeah. We don't want gross faces, aliens.
Starting point is 00:14:38 We do like your face, gross face killer. But yeah, it is something that when we start talking about it, I sometimes I'm like, why do we ever talk about anything else? But I, yeah, it is so interesting that like the more disclosure there's been, or the more seriously the government takes it, the more people are just like, I don't know, man, I don't believe a lot of what you guys are saying. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:00 I don't know man. This seems kind of weird to me. I don't believe a lot of what you guys are saying. Yeah, yeah. And this all leads. Y'all lie too much. This all leads truly back to my childhood, the Warped Tour, because Tom DeLong. What the fuck?
Starting point is 00:15:14 Tom DeLong. Warped Tour. Tom DeLong is. The Vans Warped Tour. Tom DeLong is responsible for all of this. Yeah, he definitely put his. Integral player. put his, yeah, man, he put his money where his mouth is. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:29 He was able to infiltrate the Pentagon and convince them for disclosure. Do you think there were messages hidden in Blink-182 lyrics that like slowly just like wormed their way through the minds of? Yeah. I would love to talk to Tom DeLonge sometime and be like, so were you visited or how did this all come about for you? How did you know? How did this all happen? You want to know why they need to be reminded of what their age is again?
Starting point is 00:15:56 Because they've had their memory wiped after an alien encounter. Oh, like Men in Black. Is that the song? What's My Age Again? Is that right? Yeah. Yes. Such a good song. It's My Age Again? Is that right? Yes. Such a good song. What is something that you think is overrated? Okay, I'm going to say this. People aren't going to like it.
Starting point is 00:16:14 Nobody's going to agree with me. It's fine. I think that Spotify Rapped is overrated. I don't care about Spotify Rapped. I know what songs I listened to. Right. And then I look at people's page and they're posting their Spotify wrapped and it's just Everyone's like I listened to espresso and I'm like, I bet you did I'm a pink pony Prince Pilates girl or whatever and I'm like cool. It seems like everyone I know Is a pony Pilates girl.
Starting point is 00:16:46 My Spotify rap did actually broke in this year for some reason. You know what I'm going to say, Elise. Well, yeah. Last year, Spotify rap did reveal that I had Meghan Trainor on my Spotify rap, which was- That's why she don't like Spotify rap because she had Meghan Trainor on her Spotify rap. Sometimes it reveals things about you. Yeah. I read because she had Megan trainer on her Spotify rap You yeah, it does feel like it's the the equivalent of dreams like somebody else's Spotify Rap is always like kind of uninteresting to me. But like sometimes I learned something I don't want to know about myself in the Spotify rap from like, oh
Starting point is 00:17:19 Really? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah Megan trainer for instance Damn. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't like. You want to unpack that Jack or you want to just move on? Well, what? Megan Trainor, for instance. Megan Trainor was on mine last year and I've come to terms with that and I've owned that. But in finding in my Spotify rap being broken this year and me feeling like no motivation to fix it or figure it out, I realized that like it just doesn't have a ton of meaning for me. Yeah, doesn't. But if it does for you, that's fine. But it is it's it's overrated for me.
Starting point is 00:17:51 Yeah, the stuff I learned, I feel like because I'm so used to seeing the Spotify rap, like through the year, I'm like, oh, this shit's about to be my number one song. Like I can like not even in a way that's celebratory. I'm like, I already know, like I'm playing the shit out of this one album or song that sometimes I don't even look because I'm just like, I already know, I already know I fucking nerded out on like this one song for three straight days on a loop. And that's usually how my whole thing gets thrown off. But yeah. And it was made you look by Megan trainer is what you're saying. It was made you look by Megan trainer followed by made you look by Nas.
Starting point is 00:18:25 Yeah. You just like that title. Anything called made you look. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Your genre is weirdly songs called made you look. Well, it's fun to go like in put in a random word in Spotify and then see all the songs
Starting point is 00:18:39 that like roses is a good one or crazy or something. And then like seeing all the songs that like have that. I also say a lot of people at least were hating on Spotify rap this year because Spotify laid off all their creatives. So like the fucking Spotify rap this year was like AI and like whack and corny. We're like, usually it's like, here's your horoscopes or here's a Spotify, like everyone who like the top listeners in your city. Or this is what people like,
Starting point is 00:19:07 your vibe is like Silverlake and you live in Chicago or something. But because they laid everyone off, the Spotify rap was people's mom's dry ass turkey recipe. Right. You like Taylor Swift. You're welcome. I will say the only person who posted a Spotify rap that intrigued me in any way, shape or form is I would say the Prince of New York Chi Chi Osei posted his, but he blacked out one of them. And so now I am intrigued.
Starting point is 00:19:42 Now I want to know what was. I thought he said it was RuPaul. He was embarrassed. He was embarrassed about like RuPaul because of fracking. Chi Osei is like a city councilman in Bed-Stuy who is like 26 and he's like a democratic socialist. And yeah, he's really awesome. And he makes broker fee thing removed. He rocks. That's great.
Starting point is 00:20:04 If that's why the mystery. He's really awesome. And he makes- Broker fee thing removed. He rocks. That's great. If that's why the mystery's solved. Oh, I like that he's like, look, I'm on the right side, but like the RuPaul thing, be like, oh, so you were fracking? And he's like, well, no. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:12 Yeah, I think that might be it. This is pre-fracking RuPaul. You know, I try to separate the artists from the fracking. Separate the art from the fracking. Yeah, well. 100%. Can't be done? can't be done. Can't be done.
Starting point is 00:20:27 How about you, Mellie? Is there something that you think is overrated? Yes. As a black woman, I'm going to go ahead and say that I think Andrew Schultz is overrated. I think he's corny. I don't think he's funny at all. First of all, like this, and I'm saying this topically because he did this like five minute crash out because Kendrick Lamar first of all Kendrick Lamar said in a song like no white comedians
Starting point is 00:20:53 make fun of black women yeah he didn't say Andrew Schultz but Andrew Schultz has since been panicking for like the past week and then went on like this whole diatribe and did like two minutes about how he would he could rape Yeah, it was really fucking weird. We'll probably talk about on the podcast at least but I was like Well, I'm taller than him so I could you know I could physically have sex with him and even if he wants to or not because and it's just like and then all his little lackeys are like Laughing and i'm just like this this this guy's corny and it's not he's never been that funny Guy code is like corny. I don't know. It's just all like It's all dark and it's like you had donald trump like also automatically had donald trump on your pod like
Starting point is 00:21:41 You can't be claiming hip-hop or whatever. I don't know. So just the and then he's like, oh, rappers don't respect women either. And it's like, OK, sure. But like, shut the fuck up. I don't know. So you're not the arbiter of. Yeah, exactly. He he definitely immediately made that about himself in a way where I just saw a clip of that and I go, I don't need to see any more of this shit. Right. And it's weird to see like all the flagrant pod fans be like, people don't understand his, this is just jokes, bro.
Starting point is 00:22:09 This is like what he does. Cause he's trying to get a rise out of everybody and he clearly succeeding. I'm like, what a way to describe you being so unfunny and just offensive. They were like, it's so funny that y'all are offended. Okay. Right. And so he has won the argument and yeah. And if Kendrick claps back like Andrew's just gonna win That's just like there's no way Kendrick wins this one and you're like this isn't even about that
Starting point is 00:22:34 This is about if it was about Drake. So right. Yeah Brain-rotted I'm like like it's not funny What is funny about this and then your clap back clapped back to someone being like, don't talk about black women because it's just that like you want to sexually assault someone. Yeah. Like that's just not, I'm just trying to find where it's funny and it's not in. It's just like half of these. And I'm just waiting now that Trump's in president i'm just like let us be the cancelled like i want to be the cancelled
Starting point is 00:23:10 comedian whatever and get all those like reactionary fucking money that these people are so rich it's like all the like the top 10 podcasts like stress me out it's all these like rich white people who are just talking bullshit and I'm just like Shut up. Yeah, so anyway Tucker Carlson is in the Year that was yeah Yeah, yeah Fuck it. I was gonna say that like that's the worst part of every Andrew Schultz clip Is that he says the most racist, crazy shit on his podcast. And then there's like no less than five men of color laughing.
Starting point is 00:23:49 Oh, yeah. Yeah. And co-signing that shit. And then it's funny, too. Who are those two black dudes from England who came back like, well, that was such an L. We covered it on the pod. Yeah. We covered it on the pod.
Starting point is 00:24:00 The shits and gigs pod. The shits and gigs pod, which we know that, yeah, like they're fucking, they completely fucked their shit up. Because their audience was primarily women. So yeah, those guys are, they're like, oh, we had, what did they say? Fight or flight. Fight or flight, yeah. They're like, Andrew Schultz said that racist thing and we just laughed along because we
Starting point is 00:24:24 had fight or flight. Like we didn't know like that this was going to happen. We thought it was just going to be like fun talking. It's like you didn't Google Andrew Schultz like once. Right. I guess they don't have Google. They probably use something else in England. .co.uk
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Starting point is 00:26:05 When a group of models from the UK wanted my help, I went on a journey deep into the heart of the adult entertainment industry. I really wanted to be a playboy model. Lingerie, topless. I said, yes, please. Because at the centre of this murky world is an alleged predator. You know who he is because of his pattern of behavior. He's just spinning the web for you to get trapped in it He's everywhere and has been everywhere. It's so much worse than so much more widespread than I had anticipated
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Starting point is 00:29:14 And yeah, so the biggest healthcare insurance provider, CEO was killed in front of the hotel that I stayed at a month and a half ago. That is really part of the story. It's- Immediately made it about the fact that you stayed at that Hilton. Yeah, I noticed that you didn't write it in the headline. Look, I'm just glad you narrowly escaped this. Okay, Jack?
Starting point is 00:29:40 Yeah. Very narrowly. How do we know the bullet wasn't meant for me? We don't. We don't yet know that. We know very little. I was there two months prior. But this is a company, United Healthcare, that had already been
Starting point is 00:29:53 getting a little bit of attention. Yeah. Because people, because they don't pay people's healthcare costs. They're the biggest insurance provider. You know what I mean? They, the, the, basically what happened was I'm sure people know, uh, like a gunman just pulled up right behind this guy in front of the hotel and shot him down with like a silenced gun.
Starting point is 00:30:12 And yeah. And then hopped on a city bike and went off into central park and vanished. And I think that right now the man hunt is on as of the time we were recording this since it is later in Wednesday. So then basically he was later pronounced dead and the cops did think that right now the man hunt is on as of the time we were recording this since it is later in Wednesday. So then basically he was later pronounced dead and the cops did say that this was like a targeted shooting. So if this was targeted, what could the motive possibly be is what immediately
Starting point is 00:30:37 I think launched a thousand takes on the internet. But I think that's what kind of makes this story very interesting and feels like we're on the I don't know Probably on the edge of something very different but United again biggest health care provider Most people would describe their practices as evil which I think is pretty standard across most health insurance providers They bring in almost six billion dollars a quarter in That's two billion a month in profits, okay? Yes, this guy, Brian Thompson, his pay was around,
Starting point is 00:31:13 reported to be around 10 million a year. So again, this is not a small business person. This is someone who's like at the front of like a gigantic behemoth company that again, preys on people's need for health insurance to extract profits. So the most recent headlines just surrounding United in general have to do with obviously like their constant denial of insurance claims. Like they by far deny the most insurance claims out of any provider.
Starting point is 00:31:36 They've been using AI. Oh yeah. That's what he was about to get on stage and say, we're putting up numbers. We are denying so many claims. Yeah. They were playing balling by the diplomats. get on stage and say, we're putting up numbers, we are denying so many claims. Yeah, they're playing ball. The diplomats, they were using AI to deny claims they have their like, antitrust investigations by the Department of Justice. And like, seriously shady shit,
Starting point is 00:31:57 like they let their clearinghouse and claims processing system go down, which essentially stopped money flowing to the physicians and hospitals that are providing the care that they are like, okay, now pay me for providing the care, you're the insurance company. And so that lack of money moving through the system has led to a lot of cash strapped practices that are being bought up by fucking United Health Care. buy fucking United healthcare. Well, you know what? It's, you know, who has a lot of money now that we're no longer paying you. Yeah. So where, uh, you need to buy you. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:32:32 Exactly. You really love that. So, I mean, there's a lot, like the one thing that I was really reading about, like, cause Thompson was in charge of like Medicare and government programs. And that side of United's business is pretty fucked up. So for like there they right now they're enrollees in their Medicare Advantage program. They account for like almost 30% of like the people who are on like on Medicare. And again, they're
Starting point is 00:32:58 doing this whole thing where they lean on doctors to put these diagnosis codes into the patient's medical records. And then those codes, again, those give you a score that are like, how healthy or sick is this person? And if you are more sick, then you are able to get more money from the government. So they they're telling doctors like, you need to put you, we want these people, but it's beneficial for us as a company. If these people look as sick as possible, can you do this? And again, this is from this report.
Starting point is 00:33:25 Quote, Medicare Advantage insurers have gamed the system by excessively coding their members, resulting in massive overpayments to the companies. Overpayments based on coding alone are expected to total $50 billion this year, more than the Department of Justice's entire budget. Dozens of former doctors and employees at United Health Medical Practices told Stat how they became enmeshed
Starting point is 00:33:46 in United Health's strategy to make their patients seem as sick as possible. Doctors said the company had a fixation with medical coding to generate more revenue, encouraging clinicians through bonuses and performance reviews to identify more health problems in patients, even if those conditions seemed dubious." I mean, I think most people know that our healthcare system is not like on the up and up, but that's really like, you'd hope that this event would maybe kick off some kind of reckoning with our healthcare system, but I feel like in the age we're in,
Starting point is 00:34:15 we're more likely to probably see headlines saying that, it's actually immigrants that are the ones that are causing skyrocketing healthcare costs and not the fact that these insurance companies are basically controlling the game from both ends. His wife did say that he had been receiving threats prior to this. Uh, this is what you told NBC news quote, there had been some threats. Basically, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:34:38 A lack of coverage was how she described. Like people's, what people are mad about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, this, honestly, this story sounds like the opening scene of a Batman movie. I'm not even kidding. Yeah. And these are the most, this is the most unregulated predatory industry in our
Starting point is 00:35:00 country and profiting, like, and you know, the, the suicides and things that happen that go into medical debt and like, I'm going through this thing. I'm about to have surgery on my head to remove a mass in a couple of weeks. And it's been a two year long process. I have like, I pay one of my biggest expenses is like private health insurance. And it increases dramatically every single year. I was having so many, so much trouble getting these scans that I almost just gave up.
Starting point is 00:35:33 I feel like so bad for people who made me realize so much about health insurance and the health industry and people who have real cancer and all this stuff, what they go through, it's just so sad. And like, I don't, I also don't like when people celebrate like bad people's deaths. Like I find it barbaric, no matter who they are, like I'll never be excited that someone was murdered because then you become just like them. But this is a true, true issue. And it does mark, and maybe I'm wrong and chronically online, but it also just feels a general escalation worldwide of things that are happening right now.
Starting point is 00:36:18 Just an intensity and escalation of energy that's happening. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like a lot of the stuff we've been talking about and the aftermath of the election with regards to like people being fed up with the system and like voting the way they did because they just wanted to like go with the side that wasn't like the current system is working great. We're killing it over here.
Starting point is 00:36:41 I think the industry, the version of the current system as it, as it currently exists, that people that is affecting the most people's lives and the most transparent Lee evil and malfunctioning way is the healthcare and like health insurance industry. And so it makes sense that this would be like a place where we would see like something erupt on this front. But like, they have like some demonic practices.
Starting point is 00:37:11 Like I remember when I was like tweeting through, I had this biopsy denied and the, uh, someone wrote me and was like, I work in the billing at the health insurance company and just so you know, they make us deny the first two requests automatically. I was like, how is that even possible? You try to make people give up and then they still, it's like. Or come back sicker. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:35 Come back when you're really dying. You automatically deny? Like how is that even, how is that legal? Right, and that's why United has like a lot of healthcare or a lot of turnover with people that are dealing with claims because they're like, what is that legal? Right. And that's why United has like a lot of health care or a lot of turnover with people that are dealing with claims because they're like, what is that? Like you're telling me like this, this person needs care. And you're like, no, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:37:52 Our policy is like just to fucking deny it first. And then if they really want it, then they'll come back. Anyone who's ever had to deal with insurance companies, whether you have like good insurance or like bad insurance or, you know, health insurance in the United States, like their ultimate goal is to not pay for the thing that you need them to pay for. Right. And it's like, it's obvious.
Starting point is 00:38:14 And they do a lot, like a lot of the, we've talked about like people's suspicion around the Democratic parties, like, you know, having these really complicated programs that people that are supposed to solve the problems. I think people are suspicious of that because the corporations and the current system hides behind complexity and the things that are always hiding behind complexity and long contracts or long bureaucratic processes is always fucking you over and funneling money upward toward the corporations. They are the version of that that most people are going
Starting point is 00:38:53 to theft hiding behind complexity is their MO. I just feel like it makes sense to me that this is going to be a place where people are feeling a ton of rage. We've talked before about this book, The Ministry for the Future. It's a sci-fi novel, but it's about the near future and how things will start to break apart and could fix themselves. One of the things that they predict we're going to start seeing are these more class-based terror attacks, where the thing that they talked about was private jets start getting taken down by drones out of the sky. That's the only way they can get the wealthy to stop flying in private jets and then the wealthy to get on board with like a carbon-based
Starting point is 00:39:49 economy because they're like kidnapped and held hostage at Davos. Like I do feel like we're probably going to start seeing something like that at some point in the in the coming years. It's in inevitability when you have such gaps in wealth that people do understand that you can harm someone or kidnap someone to get money. Like it happens everywhere. There's massive wealth inequality. I think it's just like looking at the whole picture.
Starting point is 00:40:21 It is, yeah, like I'm like, this feels like for sure an escalation, but again, like there's gonna like to your point, Blair, there'll be a lot of hand wringing over whether or not this person's death was justified, but I think that's completely misses the point when the real discussion needs to be around whether or not like our greed based system of care is justified. That's really like, if it's just all about who's the guy, what were they thinking?
Starting point is 00:40:49 Why did they use a city bike? It's like the real fucking issue is that we have completely normalized and we celebrate this system of like squeezing profits out of people to the point of financial and emotional bankruptcy. And like that is immoral. And I know that it'll be much easier to sort of get into the minutia of things to avoid those
Starting point is 00:41:10 kinds of discussions. But that's all of this. Like when you see like to your point, Jack, like the rage and lack of sympathy or empathy for this guy, it's all born out of the fact that many people have felt they're like, well, this guy is profiting off of an industry that quite literally puts people to their premature death in the name of profits. And that's, there's a lot of just that anger not being addressed. Yeah, is only I think going to increase, especially as people's financial situations get dire. And like, people get like you see, you read all these
Starting point is 00:41:40 horrors of like, I had a I had a procedure done, and they discovered I had cancer, but then they said they were going to deny my coverage because there was a pre-existing condition. Like, then what are they? Like you're telling people, yeah, you're fucked. That's the message you're giving people. And that I can manifest in a number of ways. And I think it's still early, right?
Starting point is 00:42:00 To know what may or may not have happened. But the police are definitely like, it feels targeted. Yeah, I feel like the story is people's reaction and the fact that people are like, kind of celebratory. It's like, you know, that's a dark place we're in, but I feel like that will be, that's going to get people's attention. And the person is some assassin who's doing this for class-based reasons or for retribution or it's just, I don't know. But my touch point for crimes like this that always seem like they're going to have one story, one shape to them,
Starting point is 00:42:44 like the anthrax attacks immediately after 9-11, where it just seemed like, okay, this is, this is our new reality. There's just going to be widening like anthrax attacks and like, that's how the terror attacks are going to be happening from now on. And then it turned out it was like probably a guy who worked in the government anthrax labs, who investigated the anthrax attacks and was like doing it to try and get more funding for his anthrax labs because they were just like, like, I get the, the equivalent of that would be like this purse, this killer is like doing it
Starting point is 00:43:20 because he is in the industry of like security for wealthy people and he's like trying to get Like drum business for for rich people which by the way that is going to happen Like the wealthy are this is boom times for private security companies. I have to assume Yeah, but they just need someone. I mean, I know this has been said forever, but like they need to completely overhaul that industry, like someone hardcore past put the hammer down, make some hardcore laws like revamp the whole thing. But I mean, I think this is the gridlock that we experience, right? Because to most people, you're like, this can't keep going.
Starting point is 00:44:03 And then to the people on the other side of that equation, who are reaping the profits, like this shit is never gonna fucking stop. Are you kidding me? And we'll put as much money as possible into making sure the laws don't change. And even if it is Obamacare, we'll find a way to start making money on other ways. Even if Obamacare will cap the profits we can make on healthcare, then we'll find other like other avenues to profit off of which they did. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:26 Obamacare was written by private, like people from the private insurance, healthcare, uh, health insurance comp, uh, industry. Like that's. Yeah. Yeah. Cause that's what before is like, well, we pay the insurance and then they're like, so there's a cap on what you make from insurance, but then, then they must have known this in writing it.
Starting point is 00:44:43 They're like, but there's no cap to what we can make off of providing medical care. And that's when things started changing. And this consolidation began. But yeah, I think that's what like that sort of frustration is because a lot of times you're like, with climate change and things like this, you're like, these people are fucking killing us. And you're like, how the fuck is there no recourse? And you always talk're like, these people are fucking killing us. And you're like, how the fuck is there no recourse? And you always talk about like, these people aren't afraid of, like, the proletarians, basically. And that's that that like, and people always wondering, like, is that what they need? They need to be scared or whatever. And this is kind of like, I think feeding into that, because that's you see so many people, I think even Jack, if it comes out, and this, the motive had nothing to do with like health insurance practices,
Starting point is 00:45:25 I feel like people because they are so enraged by the system, it will completely memory hole that because it feels like a clean cause and effect like these people are fucking monsters. And that's just what fucking happens. I think so many people are truly just feel that rage in their bones because it's such a crisis, it's a real crisis. Like, and you hear those horrific stories that are just so heartbreaking where someone will take their own life because they don't want to burden their family with the debt or stuff like that. It's just so devastating and dystopian.
Starting point is 00:46:02 Yeah. Or getting like divorced. So then their spouse won't have to incur any of like the debt. It's so sad. You're like, what kind of maneuvering is this? Yeah. That we don't, again, this is what's interesting, because like when Shinzo Abe was assassinated
Starting point is 00:46:15 and that guy shot him with a homemade shotgun, it was interesting. People, like the news, the way the country sort of handled that was sort of like, well, why? And then it became this larger thing about how political parties were entrenched with different organizations. And there was like a reckoning there. I just don't with something like this.
Starting point is 00:46:32 I don't will this actually like I'm curious how the mainstream media covers this. Is it just going to be like, this is out of control. People have like, homemade suppressors and are walking around on the streets of New York. We need police. That's probably the way to go because that makes existing industries more, you know, profitable rather than why and what is the big problem here? But I feel like then you start getting into universal health care and that seems to be, you know, a third rail. It's a non-starter, Miles. That's a yeah, that one's dead in the water.
Starting point is 00:47:04 I think you gotta understand. Fox News is going tostarter miles. That's a, yeah. Yeah. I was dead in the water. I think you got to understand. Fox News is going to be like, uh-oh, poor person was mad. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Well, yeah, probably both sides want that to be the shape of the story enough that like that will become somehow or another the story until they like actually catch the person.
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Starting point is 00:51:50 And we're back. We're back. And as mentioned, you might be hearing helicopters diving and swooping in the background, and you might be thinking, those aren't LAPD helicopters that we normally hear diving and swooping in the background of Miles and Jack's recordings. Those helicopters sound like they're looking for somebody in New York City. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:21 Totally. It's a different vibe. Those helicopters sound like they answer to Eric Adams. That's right Is someone drunk driving those helicopters You talked about. New York is the Istanbul of the world. A plane might crash into your twin towers. Yeah. And he talked about what is great about New York City.
Starting point is 00:52:48 The great thing about New York City, you could have planes crash into your twin towers or somebody open a business. That's what's great. Wait, 9-Eleven is why? Why would you say that, Aaron? Yeah. Now look at your towers backpack. One of the great things.
Starting point is 00:53:00 Yeah, right. Is that, did that bring you guys to New York City? The possibility of another? 9-eleven happening, you know, I one of the beautiful things about New York is yeah, anything could happen you could One day you could start a podcast the next day you could See that a healthcare executive has been gunned down Anything can happen anything down in the streets.
Starting point is 00:53:24 Anything can happen. Anything. It's been interesting to see the different reactions because the mainstream media is like, this is not good. And we're, you know, like talking about it as like, uh, you know, how, how our company is going to react to this and, you know, just covering it as a straightforward, terrible thing that has happened the way that I guess we've always reacted to murders. But then there's a real upswell of internet sentiment. That's just like very celebratory.
Starting point is 00:53:59 They had to shut down, throw out the entire R Medicine thread about the case because doctors were cracking too many jokes about this person's murder. But yeah, what are we hearing from the New York Times? Well, I mean, there's just different things, right? Because I, you know, when this thing happened, I was like, this is not going to spur some conversation about our healthcare system. It's not, they're going to focus everything like on the crime itself. Which I get that's what they're doing as journalists, but like to completely miss
Starting point is 00:54:28 that dimension of it, I think is a little odd if that's the, you know, cause they're still like, what could be the motive? Even though they just found that on some of the shells are the casings and bullets that were at the scene said, deny, defend, depose. And the, you know, some, some of some outlets were doing some head scratching and they're like, this might be tied to a phrase used in the insurance industry. Some sort of Batman villain. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:54:54 And then others did blatantly point out like there is a book called delayed and I defend whose subtitle is why insurance companies don't pay or pay claims and what you can do about it. The New York Times, there's this one sentence that's really interesting just glossed over something kind of important. This is just one sentence said quote, chief executive officers of health care companies often receive threats because of the nature of their work. Go on, what what is the nature of that work? And how could that potentially radicalize someone?
Starting point is 00:55:29 So again, a few articles then pointed out that United has quote, relatively high instances of denying coverage when it is in fact, like an outlier in terms of denying coverage and making massive profits. Then there are more articles and paragraphs pointing to like what companies can and should do to protect their leadership. Another thing that like we found out in the last day was apparently he was also this guy, the CEO was being investigated for insider trading
Starting point is 00:55:56 because there was a DOJ antitrust investigation happening that wasn't public yet, but he just offloaded a ton of shares like to the tune of $15 million before the news became public. They're still doing the thing where they're like, we're not sure what is going on, but around the margins pointing at things that again may have affected somebody to the point that they were motivated to kill this guy. I don't know, it's a very interesting moment because this is like,
Starting point is 00:56:27 like you're saying at the top, Jack, like the, the sentiment around this guy who killed Brian Thompson is like, this guy's fucking bae, you know what I mean? Like we love this dude. He's hot. This is the, this is the dopest shit we've ever seen. And I, I think that definitely feels different. You know what I mean? We're like, unanimously people were like,
Starting point is 00:56:47 yeah, I don't care that this guy got gunned down because I think because this CEO happened to be just represent like a physical manifestation of all the wrongs that the insurance industry enacts on just regular people. And I think for that reason, like all it's like a lightning rod for all of this ire that people have for the insurance as a whole
Starting point is 00:57:07 is just turning into like memes about like this one guy. Yeah, I feel like, okay. Well, number one, I just wanna say, as we always say on Go Touch Grass, that Go Touch Grass is an anti-murder podcast. Ultimately, I have, again- You guys say that always? We have to say it a bunch. Okay. Every time murder comes up, Ultimately, I am again that always
Starting point is 00:57:29 It's not cool but We've actually had to say it more than you would think about the woman who was harassing gypsy Rose There is a girl that was like, you know making fun of gypsy Rose a lot and harassing her You know, and it's like, okay. Well what Gypsy Rose did wasn't cool, but, you know, yeah, sure. Cool. And then, you know, the Trump assassin, it comes up, it comes up. So again, anti-murder podcast, but I will say for my personal self, my hope for my life is that I live my life in such a way that if someone guns me down in the streets of New York the reaction isn't
Starting point is 00:58:07 Oh, yeah, we know why he did that Right. Oh, yeah. No that's for sure for sure Well, and i'm i'm also just like It's interesting because in the post-election kind of Post-mortem conversations that people are having, you know, the reasons why Democrats fared so poorly was because of there wasn't any good, solid anti-pop, or like, or populist policy and all that stuff. And people are like, oh, people
Starting point is 00:58:40 are, you know, are voting for Trump because they want to say, fuck you. And they want cheaper eggs and shit like that. And that has, you know, and there's been pushback on, you know, by the establishment of like, well, that's not true. It's like racist and all this stuff. But like the reaction to, you know, somebody, they're bloodthirsty. Like people do want to do something and they're doing it. Like it's kind of escalating in this way where, you know, is voting for Trump. They're bloodthirsty. People do want to do something and they're doing it. It's escalating in this way where is voting for Trump the solution?
Starting point is 00:59:11 No, I don't think so. Is gunning someone down in Midtown the solution? Probably not, but there aren't other solutions being presented. No one is stopping these healthcare companies. No one is making any, you know, so people are feeling it and everyone's acting like everything's okay. And yeah, so I could totally see someone being like,
Starting point is 00:59:35 yeah, fuck it, like I don't give a fuck about, you know, they've denied like thousands and thousands of claims and thousands of people have to die for this guy's like to afford his fourth yacht or something and You know like I could kind of understand like the sentiment of like well, I don't give a fuck Yeah I mean like what do you think wouldn't like in that thread on reddit that got taken down because doctors were just sort of being very You know clear on what how they felt about insurance companies one person posted quote
Starting point is 01:00:04 I cannot even guess how many person years United Healthcare has taken from patients and their families through denials. It has to be on the order of millions. His death won't make that better, but it's hard for me to sympathize when so many people have suffered because of his company. And yeah, like you, I think to your point too, Millie, like, it's not even that, like,
Starting point is 01:00:22 they're not offering solutions. They're not even acknowledging this is a fucking problem. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? I think that's where we're at. It's like before, it's not even that like they're not offering solutions. They're not even acknowledging. This is a fucking problem Yeah, I mean, I think that's where we're at. It's like before it's like yeah We should maybe we can get like prescription drug costs like that's the closest they get to say let's have a reckoning with our insurance because that's like very small potatoes in terms of like the profit margins for the companies that they're ultimately beholden to it's like what if like in terms of like the profit margins for the companies that they're ultimately beholden to. It's like, what if like, okay, we weren't selling like insulin at like six X markups, and
Starting point is 01:00:49 instead, like around two or three X kind of thing, rather than zooming out and saying, we actually don't take care of people and the culture in the United States is you have to be able to afford to stay alive. And if you cannot, then, you know, the just, you know, the American natural selection will do its thing. Yeah. I think it's so interesting to Millie's point about like the election contributing to it. Like we are just coming off an election where health care wasn't like part of it at all. No one was really
Starting point is 01:01:18 talking. You know, it's so interesting when we compare it to like, the 2020 primaries or even 2016, where like both of those like health care plans were a big part of the Democrat, the Democrat, like policies and stuff, like what people were putting forward in the primary. And this time, I mean, yeah, we didn't have a primary and stuff. But it's like no one was talking about it. So you can't trust this administration to do anything about it. The next administration is obviously not going to do anything about it. People are going to make it worse.
Starting point is 01:01:48 Yeah, people feel helpless and hopeless. And when that happens, they make desperate decisions that also, you know, a company like our entire health insurance system in the U.S. contributes to this devaluing of human life at the end of the day. Like they're putting dollar amounts on what it's worth for you to like survive cancer or not survive cancer or whatever. And at the end of the day, it's like, yeah, you kind of have contributed to an environment in which people see human life in terms of dollar signs and like little marginal dividends and shit like that. Yeah, like you helped to create that
Starting point is 01:02:32 by putting a system in place where you can tell somebody, oh, actually, you don't really need insulin, do you? Blue Cross Blue Shield just announced that, oh, they're only gonna cover anesthesia. Party your anesthesia. Yeah, like only up to a certain like numb like time limit. And then they're not going to cover your anesthesia anymore. Like that contributes to a world where people.
Starting point is 01:02:54 Feel more comfortable shooting somebody in the end of the day. There's a lot of hand wringing about like they've completely dehumanized the CEO. And again, broadening, broadening out the conversation is every person who has to interact with private healthcare and anyone who has to interact with the healthcare system in this country already feels dehumanized. There's already a dehumanization. Because they are dehumanized. There's a statistic on a spreadsheet.
Starting point is 01:03:15 But the empathy is only going one way in a lot of the coverage rather than, again, like because I felt like anything constructive that would come out of this is some kind of empathy is only going one way in a lot of the coverage rather than, again, like, because I felt like anything constructive that would come out of this is some kind of reckoning with our for-profit healthcare system. But again, we have more stuff of like, why didn't he have a private security detail? And like this company is like the one that is protecting CEOs in like this part of the world and maybe they can learn something from them. Yeah. I do think that it like, it's really a good point that you make about the election because the solutions that the Democratic Party put forward that I think a lot of the people who are like,
Starting point is 01:03:55 how could they have lost point to are really technocratic, complicated solutions that are tied to companies like this or would have to go through companies like this and They end up like people are just tired of getting fucked over by these Super complex systems. And so yeah I just think this is like a perfect vortex of like all the things that are frustrating to people and make people feel like there's There's no solution. There's no path forward for things to get better I will also say if you were a doctor on The reddit our medicine that got your thing deleted and your single hit me up
Starting point is 01:04:40 Like sliding the DMs, let's talk about our path forward Like slide in the DMs, let's talk about our path forward. Especially if you like large areolas, like let's talk. I do wonder where the mainstream media goes from here. There's going to be so many pearl-collecting articles where they're looking at people's response to this. If they're not there already,
Starting point is 01:05:07 it's going to be like, how could people be so callous? There's already criticism. They're like, look at the tolerant left celebrating the death of this person. I'm already seeing takes like that. Yeah, definitely. Exactly. What I'm more worried about is, Eric Adams was investigated for
Starting point is 01:05:25 corruption. He did all this fucked up shit. Now he's like kind of, you know, sucking up to Trump and kissing Trump's ass. Now I'm worried that like Eric Adams is going to take this as an opportunity and try to make it his little 9 11, where he like brings New York together and like ups the cops even more and shit like that and makes shit hot for everybody so that he could like try to, you know, take the heat off him going to Turkey seven times
Starting point is 01:05:53 and getting his girlfriend a job that like is mad money. New York is the Istanbul of America. Exactly, exactly. We ignore Armenian genocide too. Yeah, We love looking away from a genocide. Okay. Yeah. I mean, it is interesting because I feel like what potentially could happen too, making that is 9-11,
Starting point is 01:06:18 I think is difficult because so many regular people were affected by 9-11. Whereas this one, everybody's like, all right, that's like, all right. Like that's just kind of, that's sort of the, like the sort of response I think of American people. Cause I also see people from like Europe asking online, they're like, why is everyone celebrating this?
Starting point is 01:06:36 And they're like, oh, you don't understand how difficult it is to exist in this country where we have no recourse to get to be treated like people. So these are these moments that pop up that act as these like stress release valves where they're like, well, I guess that happened. But I do, I think like, I feel like the other way this could start going is like people start saying that it's like their human right to profit off of suffering and therefore should be able to be anonymous. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:07:03 Because United Healthcare took down their entire leadership page to not, to like not put, again, maybe in their minds to make people targets or something like that. And you can, and like this was happening at an investor's day that I don't know, like I can also see some weird version where they're like, if they know who we are, we're in danger.
Starting point is 01:07:21 And like we shouldn't, people shouldn't be able to know who we are. Even though we are the people profiting and are the architects of things like a terrible cruel healthcare system or earth death through climate change. Yeah, they just start the billionaire bunkers process early and just all move to New Zealand, colonize New Zealand and then they're like, you guys have the rest of the world, go fuck yourself. Good luck. Yeah, but then it's gonna be lit
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