The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 356 (Best of 1/27/25-1/31/24)

Episode Date: February 2, 2025

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Starting point is 00:02:02 or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello the internet and welcome to this episode of The Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week all edited together into one non-stop infotainment laugh stravaganza. Yeah. So without further ado, here is the weekly Zeitgeist. In our third seat, the creator of Red Dot Comics, you can go to Patreon right now to gain access to her tastefully inappropriate work. Please welcome back to the show, it's Kim Winder! Hey, aka the carpet matches the drapes because I die both.
Starting point is 00:02:47 That's how it's done. I asked for help for an AKA this morning. That was the best I got. That was good. Well done to whoever helped you. Did I say who helped me online? That that was Housion Salad. Shout out to Housion Salad in the AKA Discord doing the Lord's work.
Starting point is 00:03:07 The Lord's work. This is a podcast about Christ and his good works and how we see them. I mean, after the fires, if we didn't shift hard to praising the Lord, I keep trying to do a joke in standup about how the fires happen because I'm just like so gay and nobody likes it. Nobody wants to hear that. Nobody wants to hear how gay I am. Except that one guy who...
Starting point is 00:03:31 In a cool way. So that one guy who was on the local news being like, why is there those fires though? I think it's because people are gay. Anyways, that guy, true hero. The Howie Mandel podcast is, he has Bill Burr on. It seems like it's very standard, comedian interviewing, comedian podcast.
Starting point is 00:03:52 Then Billy Corrigan shows up. Suddenly, Bill Burr is like, I knew you were going to fucking do this. Rather than being like, oh, Billy Corrigan, lead singer of The Smashing Pumpkins. That's cool. He's like, Oh, Jesus Christ. I'm like, Oh, okay. They have history.
Starting point is 00:04:09 And do they ever, it's revealed over the course of the interview that there's a suspicion that they have the same father that like Bill Burr's father was a traveling salesman. And they, it was smashing those pumpkins. He was smashing pumpkins across the great nation. And they're so funny and mean about it. He's just like, do you ever think that maybe, like I don't talk about this all the time because I don't want to, but Howie Mandel is a complete...
Starting point is 00:04:44 He's just like, what? What's wrong? I'm just playing dumb. Billy Corrigan seems very uncomfortable. But yeah, they're like, yeah, we think he named us both Bill, so he wouldn't get us mixed up and wouldn't. Wow. Yeah. Wait, is that like a legit theory? That's the question that everybody asks right away.
Starting point is 00:05:07 I've found both sides, found people being like, well, you can see on Twitter or you can see on Wikipedia that like Billy Corgan's dad is a different name or something like that. But just the way it's played, like it feels like a weird, if it's a bit, it's like a Bill, the first Bill Burr bit that I've ever been like, huh, you know, like usually. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:30 Like didn't get that it was a bit. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Billy Corgan is one year older than Bill Burr. So that's his big bro, dude. Hey, big brother. He just immediately started Billy. Billy Corgan is a big Cubs fan and he just immediately starts shitting on the Cubs
Starting point is 00:05:45 Which I guess Bill Burr is on a roll guy cannot do any wrong in my book Oh, are you gonna say Kim? Oh, they just need to take a 23 and me just do it on I know I was like why didn't how we like I know he's like a germaphobe But just like grab one of the mugs they drink out of come on Do the detective work man, This is what you do. Okay, you set that situation up. Yes, it's uncomfortable. If you were a true showman who had learned the lesson of deal or no deal and the importance of a big reveal, you have a model standing with a briefcase nearby.
Starting point is 00:06:23 You say, actually, the last time you were both on, I did snag your coffee cups and sent them to 23andMe. And in that briefcase, I have the answer, are you or are you not brothers? And then, you know, that's entertainment, baby. That's prestige casting, to quote Anna Hosnier in a way that she's gonna be very mad about. But that would have been something. So my overall takeaway, I don't know if it's been factually proven, if it's just a suspicion that Bill Burr would just rather not look into or talk about. My main takeaway is Howie Mandel is a bigger asshole than I was giving him credit for, for doing that. That is so funny. And it's also like, who has the balls to piss off Bill Burr?
Starting point is 00:07:07 I know. You know, right? Who genuinely would do that? There's no taking it back. I know. There's no what? Taking it back. If you're recording with Bill Burr, that's there forever. Yeah, everybody.
Starting point is 00:07:21 A lot of people are going to watch this. And he knew that. And that's probably why he did it. To launch the Howie cast or whatever the fuck his podcast is called. Anyways, Kim, we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Bath pillows. I like taking bubble baths and my neck hurts and I want a pillow.
Starting point is 00:07:44 Okay. And how are we achieving this? Is it with a giant sponge? I like taking bubble baths and my neck hurts and I want a pillow. Okay. And how are we achieving this? Is it with a giant sponge? Right now it's just a folded up towel that gets really wet and then it's just annoying to deal with afterwards and I just want to relax. So I looked up just like bath pillows, but they suck. So I'm going with a pool toy and I'm just going to have that behind my neck.
Starting point is 00:08:02 Pool toy is a good idea. Yeah. Keep it whimsical. Keep it fun. Just like a rolled up. That's what Gandalf said. Keep it whimsical. Keep it fun.
Starting point is 00:08:12 Keep it fun. Frodo, my first advice to you. Keep it whimsical. Keep it fun. Keep it fun. That's right. Yeah, I was gonna say like a pool noodle just rolled up Cinnabon style, you know?
Starting point is 00:08:25 It was- Oh my gosh. I would be so worried about it just bursting out. Yeah. I feel like you can just get like a baby floaty, you know? Like a kid's- Exactly. Like wouldn't-
Starting point is 00:08:39 That's probably better. You don't need this. The tub thing or tube things? You're still my president, Jack. Thank you. Thank you. And see, I'm the type of president who can listen to conflicting opinions, but then I will censure you later and cut off funding for you later on. Yeah, cold bath. Great.
Starting point is 00:08:57 Kim, I can't do baths. I can't. What? I can't do, because I'm like, the tub needs to be, it's always like not clean enough for me so that I'm thinking about laying in the... Oh. You know what I mean? And then I'm like, you could wash it before, you could wash it after, but then that's more prep, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:09:13 So that I'm not relaxed getting into it. I prefer getting into like a shower that's so hot, your boyfriend thinks something's wrong with you, and then just falling asleep standing upright. Like that is my version of relaxing in the shower. Have you had a shower beer? A shower what? Beer, a shower beer. So long day at work.
Starting point is 00:09:37 Unfortunately, I don't have regular beers, but that sounds amazing. Oh my God, extra relaxation right there. You don't do in a bathtub because you'll drown and die, but if you drink in a shower, you'll just let it all go down the drain. You sound like such a wealthy woman right now. Yes, thank you. You sound like a trick wealthy shower bee. That's what they don't want you to have. This is my shower champagne, honey.
Starting point is 00:10:02 That we don't serve to guests. You have a specific shower champagne cup? Yeah. I've definitely partaken in shower beers in the past. It doesn't need to be beer. You can have a nice shower bev. I think I've found that the thing that I enjoy about the shower or beverage is the contrast between the cold and the heat of the shower is kind of a nice thing. We discussed a while back a Reddit, there's I think an entire subreddit
Starting point is 00:10:34 about shower oranges. Oranges? Yeah, just people who eat oranges in the shower. Specifically oranges? Yeah. And like at the the time, it made sense to me because you just let the peel fall on the ground, but peels are easy to... like peels for oranges- They clean the shower because it's so sweet. Yeah. They make it smell good. Then you also get that contrast of cool juiciness mixed with hot shower vibes, hot shower energy. This is what we're coming up with while China is doing AI.
Starting point is 00:11:10 Yeah. We're like shower. Cheap AI. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. We need more shower food options. Soup, not working.
Starting point is 00:11:19 Soup, no. Yeah, I think it needs to be cold on hot, personally. That's what I'm looking for. Like you would want, definitely want a like cold Italian sub and not like a hot meatball sub in the- Gaspaccio. Is it that cold? Maybe, too wide of an opening.
Starting point is 00:11:40 You're gonna end up getting soap and shampoo in there. Yeah, it would water down in the shower. Like hair water is going to be in your gazpacho. Ew. Yeah. There's like something, it's like hermetically, like the orange is like sealed off. And so, you know, it's not, it's not like a open top, you know?
Starting point is 00:12:02 There's something cool about an orange. Yeah, maybe we should throw this one to AI to see what- I'll try a blue moon and an orange next time I shower. Oh, wow, the combination. I'll get back to you guys. Yeah, so blue moon, orange beer. Interesting. In a cup, yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:16 Yeah, wow. I'll try it warm and flat as well as cold. Slurpy. A big blue raspberry slurpee. But see, those have the dome top, so you're actually not going to get as much hair water. Big risk, big reward, you know. I truly think shower slurpee is the answer. That is something that I do need to try now.
Starting point is 00:12:41 The cups are a problem. You would need to get the hard plastic ones because the paper ones I feel like are always on the verge of rotting out a little bit. Yeah. If I like find an old Slurpee from earlier that day, the paper is starting to feel a little soft and like it's going to get out. Where are you finding old Slurpee? Like in a car. I leave it in the car because I don't want to bring it in and let my wife and children see that I've like snuck a Slurpee.
Starting point is 00:13:12 Yeah, but anyways, I really think shower Slurpee is going to be a thing. Yes. Yes. All right, Andrew, this is the episode where we tell people what was trending over the weekend. But first, we let them get to know us a little bit better by telling them something we think is overrated, something we think is underrated. Why don't I start us off with something I think is overrated. I just heard that.
Starting point is 00:13:38 I hadn't heard this in a while, but I heard somebody say it's best thing since sliced bread this morning. heard somebody say it's best thing since sliced bread this morning. And in the context of our recent discussion on processed food, uh, that one hits different. I'm going to say, uh, I don't know. It's, it's just the go-to, you know, exhibit for greatest invention. It, why did people not have not, I have so many knives now, not to brag, You know, exhibit for greatest invention. Why did people not have not I have so many knives now, not to brag, but like I got so
Starting point is 00:14:10 many. Yeah, I can I can slice the fuck out of bread. And you know, I try to buy loaves of bread that are. Oh, yeah. Like whole loaves of bread like a fucking G. And I don't know. Like, so the efficiency not that much more efficient. My number of knives I have, my knife drawer is overwhelming in many cases. The only way it's scientifically possible to have sliced bread that's not like
Starting point is 00:14:35 hardened into a series of like monoliths is with loads of ultra processed chemicals. I was going to say that that is probably the actual innovation of sliced bread has to be like preservatives. Yes, exactly. They didn't. It's not just somebody thought of cutting the bread. It's like somebody invented a chemical that you could put on the bread to make it. It's like being like the best, best invention since pre-rolled cigarettes started taking
Starting point is 00:15:08 us to flavor town. All right. I mean, I guess if you don't have the preservatives, you get a feast of balls, just mold all the way up and down. That's right. Dale is the best case scenario. Right. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:15:22 So I don't know. I do love a nice whole loaf of bread. Take it home, put it in a big bag, and it usually stays pretty fresh for like a few days. This is crazy. My overrated is eating healthy because I bought myself a loaf of Wonder Bread this last week. Can I just tell you, as a grown ass man who has mostly spent his recent year and a half try to eat well, Wonder Bread is so good. It's so fucking good. It's incredible. It's so wild. Yeah, I was, I was talking, I try, I had a crustable for the first time the other day and it's basically like Wonder Bread turned into a hot pocket. Crustable is it's like a peanut butter jelly inside of like a white bread.
Starting point is 00:16:10 A white bread like strudel, you know, like made, yeah, just a giant white Wonder Bread ravioli. And I was like, holy shit, this is the texture of the bread is so pillowy. So yeah, I mean, I guess it's just like white people bow or like, right? Just yeah, because it's that it's all the stuff. It's like bleached flour. It's a little sweet or a lot sweet in the case of across the walls. Yeah. And it's just like a like a thing. You can kind of hold your hand that is like, oh, my God, can I just say I did probably see this on a cooking YouTube somewhere, but my
Starting point is 00:16:49 pro tip for making a sandwich with Wonder Bread, you can't toast in the toaster. I mean, you can't do this by toasting in the toaster, but use a skillet to toast only one side of it. Okay. Just one side in butter or you're just like putting it raw. I was I was not like wiping out my cast iron super efficiently. So there was kind of just the residual seasoning of whatever the fuck. I didn't add extra fat. But basically having one crispy side of the bread and one like wonder brand pillowy side
Starting point is 00:17:23 so fucking good. My God. Crust goes out that. So like it's basically like inside crust crusty side goes inside. Crusty side goes in. You use that as the basis for like your mayonnaise or your, you know, mustards or whatever. Normal sandwich.
Starting point is 00:17:41 And then so outside you get like super, super pillowy. But then when your teeth go in, you find a crunch in the middle. Yeah. Oh, people probably didn't know they were getting one of like a point counterpoint crossfire style show today. But my overrated is sliced bread. Your underrated is wonder bread. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:05 And we solved it. I think I think you're right. And we solved it. I think I think you're right. And I'm wrong. But maybe I just feel like we need a better like exhibit a for great innovations. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's more your point. Also, Cillan.
Starting point is 00:18:19 Marcel, what is something you think is underrated? Underrated physical media. We are we need to bring that shit back Mm-hmm. Yeah, these streamers as we're gonna just hopefully discuss later. These streamers are going south pretty quickly Yeah, I think it's time if you guys have like a favorite DVD. I mean a favorite movie It's time to get it on DVD. It's time to buy a little DVD player Start supporting your secondhand thrift stores buy some DVD DVDs, get off of the, you can create, first of all, 2B is free, but you can create your own 2B in your household, so I wanna encourage everyone
Starting point is 00:18:51 to get behind the physical media. Go to a local show, go buy someone's CD, go buy someone's DVD. Come on, y'all, what are we doing? Go buy some physical streamers. Yeah, go buy some physical shit and support local art. Or like the witch, you know the movie The Witches? I don't know if it's on, I haven't been able to find it on streaming.
Starting point is 00:19:12 And I was like, I think I'm gonna try to look for this on DVD. The old one? Yeah, the Angelica Houston one. Yeah, where they turn the kids into mice? It's creepy. Or the mice into kids? I forget exactly what happened. It's creepy, yes. We got a movie that freaked me out.
Starting point is 00:19:27 Yeah, exactly, you're thinking of trauma, nightmares. All our memories of The Witches is just a nightmare. I think that's not how the movie went, but it scared the fuck out of me. But I was like, it's hard to find one on streamer, it's only available sometimes. And I was like, I wanna get, so I've been trying to, without buying it brand new,
Starting point is 00:19:42 but I think that might be impossible at this point. They're turning them out, nonstop. So, I... Just that film. Yeah, just that film, yeah. Physical media, that's what's underrated to me. It just remade that movie, I think it was, was it Zemeckis?
Starting point is 00:20:00 Anne Hathaway. Somebody just remade that movie, and it apparently sucked shit. It wasn't good, yeah, it was with Anne Hathaway. It wasn remade that movie and it apparently sucked shit. It wasn't good. Yeah, it was with Anne Hathaway. It wasn't bad. It wasn't. My nieces enjoyed it, but it's definitely not the terror that we experienced in the
Starting point is 00:20:13 80s. Yeah. That we were so used to, because there was no regulating back then. Children's movies and the rating system was so different. Yeah. I know. Never. We'll never experience that.
Starting point is 00:20:24 The point of that original Witches is like, this is too much. Like that was the response that you wanted from children. We gotta regulate these witches. That's how it started in Salem and that's how it started in the DVD Blu-ray collections. That's right. Marcella, what is something you think is... What? What?
Starting point is 00:20:43 Oh my God. Yeah? What's something you think is... What? Oh my God. Yeah? What's something you think is overrated? He's relentless. Well, I think... He's prying. I think... I think what... I'm sure you've talked about this with other people, but the national news?
Starting point is 00:20:55 Have you ever talked about that as an overrated? The national news. Like the mainstream media? Yeah. You ever heard of it? Now, we here at this podcast are? Yeah. You ever heard of it? Now we here at this podcast are big fans. We just kind of go to CNN.com, we go to the New York Times,
Starting point is 00:21:11 we tell you what's on the front page and say, howdy doody. That's going to be a day for us. And talk about oils and shell gift cards. Oh my God. BP is investing in the future. I just want, I love that people do, this podcast is such a great example of supporting like small news sources, but also like guys, again, local news, your little Samsung or Apple, actually I don't know about Apple, but they have a lot of local news station streaming
Starting point is 00:21:38 and I wish more people were more interactive with their local news, just similar to physical media, you know, like get your, stop taking your news in large doses from social media and national news. Take it in smaller doses. Like, first thing in the morning, like when you turn on the news, and Mike Kaplan giving you the weather, and he's so charming, and then you fucking get
Starting point is 00:21:57 some of those terrible bad news, you know. I feel like the local news is also bad. I'm gonna differ, I'm gonna disagree here. It's a different bad though. Yeah, it's a different bad, but it's like got that, here's just a fucking feed bag of crimes that are gonna make you scared of the people around you. Sure, that's true, but what I'm specifically encouraging
Starting point is 00:22:20 is finding the local news station that has a good rapport with each other and really support local shit going on and not just local crime and local bad news. Local papers and shit. Yeah, yeah. That is actually uplifting. So I agree with you on to a point because some local news is really just like, nobody likes each other. You can tell they all hate working with each other. It's not fun to watch. There's like one here that I really enjoy watching
Starting point is 00:22:45 in Chicago and it's like, they really, they have like Orange Friday during the football season, you know, and they like show pictures of people in their little orange gear and it's really cute. And I like it because it's like, it's a cute way to start the day. This morning was the fucking God awful news, but whatever, I was like, oh, I'm not starting my day
Starting point is 00:23:02 with this, I'm gonna, I do national lues a little later in the morning. Yeah. Like local news, it's like nice to get the weather without having like, why am I checking my app every morning for the weather? Like, let me have like a sweet pie. Old man, give me the weather.
Starting point is 00:23:14 Yeah, a little sweet pie. You know? Yeah, it is, like that is one of the nice things about the national news before it was like, you know, bought by fucking Sinclair Media. One company. Yeah, one company. Yeah. before it was bought by fucking Sinclair Media. Yeah, one company.
Starting point is 00:23:26 But there is still a feeling when you tune into some of it that you're tuning into just a small business workplace and they have their own weird, fun work culture. And some of the people who work there, who you're seeing, are the quirky guy. And they just have weird energy. Some of the people who work there, who you're seeing, are like the quirky guy. They just have weird energy. They do like little polls, and it's really cute. Then they all have banter with the weather guy, and the traffic girl, and the person doing this little segment. They all banter back and forth. I'm just like, I like that they're reminding people that it's okay to have these conversations
Starting point is 00:24:02 naturally at work or with whoever. And they're just certain news. And I think because it's Chicago, because everybody here is so accustomed to supporting local shit, that it really has taken that particular news station, just made it, it's taken it up a notch and made it more fun and sweet to watch. And also the local news, they want their community on there, and they want people to reach out. And I like that. It's not just about what's going on. I love Orange Fridays. That's so fun.
Starting point is 00:24:29 It's cute. That's great. That is cute as hell. Yeah. All right. Watch your mouth. I'm sorry. And I apologize.
Starting point is 00:24:37 Let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll talk about some news. Hi, I'm Arturo Castro, and I've been lucky enough to do stuff like Broad City, and Narcos, and Roadhouse, and so many commercials about back pain. And now, I'm starting a podcast because honestly, guys, I don't feel the space is crowded enough. Get Ready for Greatest Escapes, a new comedy podcast about the wildest true escape stories in history.
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Starting point is 00:29:09 exactly what executive orders are or how they work, just for a hundred miles up. What are these executive orders that, and like we've been told there are limits. And like, that's why Biden and, you know, other Democrats weren't using them. And yet Trump came and like just dropped, flooded the zone with bullshit, flooded the zone with executive orders. And now it seems like there's a lot of action happening as a result of those executive orders. So just like trying to find the answer in all that madness.
Starting point is 00:29:45 Yeah. So I think first of all, we can start off with one thing that I think you're not an idiot. If you don't know this, a lot of people don't know this, that an executive order is not the same as a law passed by Congress. Right. An executive order does have some legal force, but it's basically a thing that the president said the executive branch is going to do. And the president only has the ability to direct certain people and agencies. So anything that's under the executive branch of our government, that's a lot of stuff. There's all those big
Starting point is 00:30:13 administrative agencies that you hear about, or the Department of Justice, the Department of Health, the Department of the Department of Transportation, he can direct all of those agencies about how they're going to function, what policies they're going to use, how they're gonna hire and fire. Like he can do a lot of that direction through these executive orders. He cannot though, do a lot of the stuff that he's trying.
Starting point is 00:30:33 He's kind of treating executive orders like a magic wand or a genie in a bottle, like trying to erase the 14th Amendment on Martin Luther King Jr. Day. Like that's what he's trying to do with some of these orders. And you can't, there's a reason that order got stopped the 14th Amendment on Martin Luther King Junior Day. Like that's what he's trying to do with some of these orders. And you can't, there's a reason that order got stopped in its tracks about 15 minutes after it left his desk.
Starting point is 00:30:52 Because there are limits to what executive orders can do. That being said, there's also a lot of avenues in which agencies have a ton of power. So how he directs ICE to perform immigration enforcement, for example, or how he directs other agencies to address drug prices or how he, for example, or how he directs other agencies to address drug prices or how he, you know, directs environmental policy. All of that can be impacted by executive orders.
Starting point is 00:31:12 Got it. And so the idea that like Biden could be, because like, so there's, looking at the past presidential terms that have used executive orders, I think in late December Biden had issued about 160. Trump during his first full term did 220. FDR did 3,721, which I guess he was president for a number of years, but that's still a lot.
Starting point is 00:31:40 So it seems like, I don't know, I had just always heard, yeah, but we're not going to like use executive orders because it would set a bad precedent. And ultimately like, you know, could be overturned, but it feels. You know, as, as somebody who's not a fan of these particular executive orders, like they're, I don't know, like when you're a sports fan and the other team does the thing you don't want them to do, that's usually the right thing. You know, it's like, Oh, that, that makes me uncomfortable. Therefore that's probably the, the, they're doing the thing that like we're,
Starting point is 00:32:19 everybody's like wishes they weren't doing, which the way that the government currently runs seems like is the correct way for them to do all the authoritarianism that they have in mind. So I guess I'm just curious to hear, what do you think of this strategy? Throwing a bunch of these at the wall and some of them being outside the purview of a normal executive order and some of them being just like making a statement essentially. But do you think that that is going to work?
Starting point is 00:32:53 Do you think that, do you wish that more progressive presidential, if you can imagine a more progressive presidential administration than this one, that more progressive presidential administrations, like we should be wanting them to do. So we're at this really difficult crossroads, right? Which is that, first of all, the idea that Donald Trump would not do something because Biden refrained from doing it is hilarious to me. Like, oh, we wouldn't want to set a bad precedent because clearly if we don't do the bad thing, Donald Trump will also not do the bad thing Yeah, he's gonna do he's gonna if you put a button in front of me. He's gonna push it
Starting point is 00:33:29 He's gonna push the button until the button breaks, but also not just Donald Trump like Mitch McConnell Newt Gingrich Every Republican leader since I've been alive and I'm pretty old It is just weird that it's it's to me it's so weirdly willful. It's like, oh, we wouldn't want to break this norm against the team that only breaks norms. Yeah. That has absolutely no compunction about breaking norms, and in fact seems to do it for fun.
Starting point is 00:33:57 Well, they've also realized something which is that whether something works has nothing to do with whether it is supposed to work or legally structured to work. It has everything to do with whether it is supposed to work or legally structured to work. It has everything to do with whether you can get people to change their behavior based on what you're doing. Like if an executive order is issued, that's not supposed to work at all, but people take action
Starting point is 00:34:15 based on it, nobody stops them, like then it worked. Yeah. So I think there's a certain amount of like just trying stuff that we see now and we're going to see continually for the next several years. I think Democrats could absolutely benefit from more just trying stuff. I mean, obviously, I don't condone like trying to erase a constitutional amendment by exactly by fiat. It's very silly, and no one should do that. But at the same time, I think there is a certain amount of creativity and a certain amount of
Starting point is 00:34:47 Precedent breaking activity that is appropriate. I think we were not designed to live in a you know This this government was not designed to be fully static and frozen in the past. Don't tell Clarence Thomas He would absolutely tell you it's frozen in the past But in general like evolution and trying new stuff is good and probably Democrats could do more of it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, FDR, like there, there was some stuff going on in his dirt during the time that he was president, I think, right?
Starting point is 00:35:14 I have that right. He, yeah, he had, there was some stuff and he, you know, he was willing to just up there working things out, trying things out. It's like, is this something? What about the 3,721? Not to be a completely left-wing lunatic, but I will just point out that it does a little bit at this point seem like the Democrats did govern the way they wanted to. And it's not a matter of not trying stuff.
Starting point is 00:35:44 It's that they didn't want to try that stuff. Big D Democrats are not interested in those good things. It seems to me as an idiot. Me, a complete idiot. It would seem that, yeah, I mean, these ideas were raised. They did not happen over the past four years at times when a lot of unprecedented shit was happening. Bad stuff, not unprecedentedly fun, good stuff. Let's talk about just the executive actions that are jumping out to you, Emily, as somebody who's kind of following this.
Starting point is 00:36:23 I actually don't know if all of these are executive orders, but these are the ones that have kind of popped, have really popped for me. I don't know why I'm getting Hollywood executive here, but so we have the mass raids on undocumented people in the U S and their families, which that, that is. An executive order, right? Yeah. Directing ice, directing ice enforcement. yes. Scrapping cancer research, is that? That had to do a lot with freezing the NIH
Starting point is 00:36:54 and freezing funding, firing, firing, the purchasing of supplies for research, which resulted in a lot of labs having to let people go, stop their research, they don't have personnel or supplies. Like you can't do major medical research without money. Sure. And what's really terrible is that by interrupting a lot of the work of these labs,
Starting point is 00:37:14 we're setting that research back. It's not like a lot of this work can just be sort of like picked right back up where you left off six months from now. And it's not just cancer, it's Alzheimer's research. It's like a huge quantity of research that makes the United States a valuable place to be because of its medical advancement capacity. Yeah, we just threw that in the trash and lit it on fire.
Starting point is 00:37:35 What is the, not that I think there's great reasoning behind any of this shit, but like I'm, I am confused how that even ties into any agenda or like any set of, you know, politics, like any political posturing is like, we actually think we should see what cancer has in mind. We hang out with any MAGA people lately. Right. Because, I mean, what I hear a lot of is that they believe that all of these researchers are like, it
Starting point is 00:38:05 all comes back to Fauci and it's all corrupt and it's draining the swamp. And we're like, I don't think anybody's given a lot of critical thought to what if, what if the researchers are not secretly corrupt oligarchs, but what if they actually are people who are poised to save lives, perhaps lives within your family sometime in the next few years if we let them?
Starting point is 00:38:28 I think there's just this huge perception of corruption in the medical community, and I'm not sure where that comes from. Certainly I could talk about it in context related to medicine and health insurance, but when it comes to like hating on cancer researchers, I don't get it, but it's a thing that the MAGA folks seem to do. Yeah. Honestly, and the kind of toughest thing is like all this data is going to be so entangled with our shitty healthcare system that it's not even even going to be clear that as a
Starting point is 00:38:57 direct outcome of this, like life expectancy or health outcomes are worse in the United States because they're already so much worse than the rest of the equivalently rich world that we're never going to be able to prove until, I said this yesterday, until polio's back, but even then. With any of this shit, I feel like we're in a really bad position to make those cases because of how the media. General healthcare system. How bad the general healthcare is, but just all of like, they've been very disappointed in the New York Times.
Starting point is 00:39:33 I mean, it's hard to prove a negative, but if the New York Times wanted to, and I'm with you that they don't want to at all. Right. I mean, you could look at over the next few years, how many new pharmaceuticals are patented, how many new treatments, medical devices. Like you could look at over the next few years, how many new pharmaceuticals are patented, how many new treatments, medical devices, like you could look at patents, you could look at drugs hitting the market, you could look at requests for FDA approval, you could
Starting point is 00:39:52 look at all, you could look at new techniques being published in medical journals, you could look at the rate at which US researchers are publishing generally. I mean, there's all of these metrics that we expect to see slow down when you defund medical research. Yeah. Right. Yeah. The other ones I have, pulling the US out of the world health organization, recognizing only two genders, turning DEI into,
Starting point is 00:40:13 like not just removing funding for DEI, but like, you know, saying that people need to report anyone they see doing a DEI, I guess is the idea. By the way, I did hear somebody pointed out that Roy Cohn came from McCarthyism. So like that like Roy Cohn was worked and like learned under McCarthy. So it does make sense that there's this like direct line from McCarthyism to Trump. Well, it's not just in the federal government. A lot of people are talking about that EO, like it's just amongst federal employees, right? Like if the guy at the cube next to you is
Starting point is 00:40:53 seeming a little too diverse, you better report. But it's also giving these agencies a directive to select up to nine entities in the private sector that they would like to investigate for compliance. So it's also poising the federal government to engage in and we're already seeing the impact in like cowardly big companies scrubbing any mention of diversity and ending any diversity programs and less cowardly companies refusing to do so which is kind of cool to see. But it's McCarthyism writ large in the DEI context. I think also we're going to see that in the immigration context with like pressure to turn people over and compliance pressures of all kinds.
Starting point is 00:41:34 So yeah, they're absolutely trying to create a society in which people are afraid of their neighbors and afraid to be snitched on by their colleagues. For being too diverse. Yeah. Or liking diversity too much. Yeah. Yeah. The person is way too into diversity.
Starting point is 00:41:48 It's like actually, like, I am, I am curious the speed for which this will have repercussions. I mean, the immigration thing is like, if that actually happened would actually tank the agricultural like industry. Right. So like, you know, if he if the Trump people were mad at the price of eggs, then what the fuck is I'm just like curious, like if anything will ever. I'm in California, there's we're on our local news, we're seeing like fruit
Starting point is 00:42:18 sitting in the fields. It's orange and like nothing like it's understandable. It's especially understandable because when you're not inside a building, you don't have the same Fourth Amendment protections. It's actually a huge issue. We see, for example, unhoused people don't have the same rights against search and seizure because they don't have a home, which someone would need a warrant to enter. So they don't get this particular constitutional protection.
Starting point is 00:42:39 If you're in a field again, ice can come up and go after anybody they want. There's no structure that they would need a judge to give them permission to enter. So agricultural jobs are particularly vulnerable. And we as a country are particularly vulnerable to like not having food we can afford as a result. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's just the unintended or yeah, well, the food, like disaster would be an unintended even for them consequence of like you know enforcing immigration in the way they want to enforce it right i'm just
Starting point is 00:43:14 curious like what the fuck will actually happen how could it be unintended i mean that's a question i have is like it's the most foreseeable possible the very first thing everybody's like, hey, so I know you only understand profitability, just a quick FYI here on that. I mean, I guess the speculation would be it just creates an even more scared or like oppressed class of undocumented worker. Yeah. I mean, the idea of that they talk about a lot that like, yeah, you know, people criticize how expensive this is going to be, but it's going to lead to like a lot of like self deportation and you know, that what that usually means is that people just don't can't work because when you like show up to work, then like you're, you know, putting yourself in a position to be taken in. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:07 But so that's, yeah, it just, it feels like that is going to be a first, like it's not going to be a down the road thing. It's like a thing that is going, like based on the things that we're already seeing of, you know, these like raids that Dr. Phil is live streaming, we're going to see the results immediately because nobody's going to want to fucking put themselves in a position to be arrested and treated cruelly. Yeah. So, I don't know. Others reversing climate change, bringing back the death penalty, not reversing climate
Starting point is 00:44:44 change, reversing climate change actions and declaring an emergency is actually how little gas we're pulling out of the ground. These are all things that I had identified as like, man, the executive orders seem to work in this case in the worst way possible. Are there any of these that you're like that one is actually going to be challenged and easy to overturn before it does too much damage or is this all just kind of for alarm fire territory? So, I'm really interested to see what happens because a lot of people like to act like the law is a real thing and, and, you know, the law will save us.
Starting point is 00:45:29 The law doesn't support this and the law, you know, but the law is just a bunch of humans in rooms. Like some of the humans get to wear a special dress and sit up higher. But which humans these cases are brought in front of will matter a great deal because Trump worked very hard during his last term to put a lot of judges in place who are heavily aligned with the ideology we see in Project 2025. In the past, we saw a judiciary which took their responsibility as neutral arbiters way more seriously, and they would have been like really embarrassed to do something nakedly partisan. That cultural safeguard is gone. And I don't think we realized the degree to which it was a cultural norm, a cultural safeguard, holding the judiciary in a neutral position. It's toast.
Starting point is 00:46:11 So some of these, I will point out, you know, the death penalty one is terrible for innumerable reasons. One, generally Americans don't support the death penalty anymore. So this isn't really beating any voters that are demanding this. Two, we get it wrong a lot. It's irreversible. Three, this EO contains, all of these EOs contain ways for the government to reach more deeply into the lives and actions of private actors and the state. So here, this EO is directing the federal government to try to exert more control over
Starting point is 00:46:41 state and local prosecutors and AGs. Here's why that's a big deal. In the federal system, Joe Biden, to his credit, commuted the sentences of everyone who's on federal death row. So Donald Trump doesn't have anybody he can kill right now, as much as he would like to. Oh, no. And good on President Biden for doing that.
Starting point is 00:47:00 87%, roughly, that's probably an old stat, but over 85% of people in prison are there on state and local cases. So you can see that like the federal government only comprises a very small minority of people who are impacted by criminal justice decisions generally. So what does this executive order do? It pushes the federal government to start going after the folks who actually control use of the death penalty, who are state AGs and state and local prosecutors. And that bothers me for many reasons, one of which is, it's completely contrary to the omnipresent states' rights
Starting point is 00:47:39 argument that we hear all the time, that like local people should decide what's right in their locality. Oh, unless in your locality, you don't want the government to kill people, in which case you don't get to decide what's right for your locality. Your judgment is subsumed by a huge and empowered federal government. I thought we didn't like big government. No, we like big government when it's making the government kill people.
Starting point is 00:47:59 That's where we are on this. Yeah. It's not great. Your point about it being unpopular, like that was a thing just, Alakair Katsanis had a thread on Twitter this weekend just about this New York Times article from last week titled, Support for Trump's Policies Exceeds Support for Trump. And this feels like it's the way I'm seeing a lot of people in the New York Times and in that world respond where they're like, people might not like the man, or approve, they might think his methods are too harsh, but he's getting things done and it's in line with their…
Starting point is 00:48:37 And I think what they're referring to is a very specifically worded question that suggests that they want people who are undocumented deported. But there's also like three questions that are just worded slightly differently that suggest that there's actually a super majority of people who don't want that. But they, I don't know, there just seems to be an urge to be like, what he's doing is not that out of line with what people want. And I don't think it's true. Again, they're only focusing on two of these policies. They're really having to work hard with the polling and the wording of the polling to like make it seem like people are in support of these policies.
Starting point is 00:49:28 And then they're also ignoring like the huge swaths of these executive orders that are wildly unpopular for their cruelty. And so this is a great feast. I'm so glad you brought this up because so when we look at project 2025, there's a couple of like big themes that emerge. One is that they're very terrified of boyfriends and they think there's nothing more terrible than a mom, a single mom having a boyfriend. There's a whole fun passage I beg you to read with just just like control F boyfriend. Yeah. In project 2025, it's a ride. But beyond their fear of boyfriends, they really don't like information. They don't like people having any information
Starting point is 00:50:05 and they would rather the government not gather any information. Because if you gather any information, people might get a hold of it because governments do have to have a certain level of transparency. This goes totally to what you're talking about. The way you can create false informational worlds is by limiting the amount of information people actually have. Like here you have a poll which doesn't reveal to the reader that, oh, in like the next three questions, it turns out,
Starting point is 00:50:27 people don't actually like this policy. They just only liked it when it was worded a very specific way. And that's really the thing about polling, right? Is that like the answer you get from people depends enormously on how you ask them a given question. But in the EOs we're seeing, a ton of these clauses in the EOs are getting rid of forms of tracking information in government so that people will no longer have access to, for
Starting point is 00:50:50 example, what the demographic makeup of our government even is or of our armed forces or of what the impact of various policies and programs is. Health tracking in particular, like how much are we at danger from bird flu versus something else? They would really prefer not to collect any data, because when you don't collect data, you can control people's opinion on policy a lot more through things like the framing of the question, because people don't have a real informational basis for making decisions. In addition to that, there's a whole separate EO on restricting the government's ability to go after misinformation and disinformation. Because to stop misinformation and disinformation would impinge on the free speech rights of the
Starting point is 00:51:34 people who would like to distribute misinformation. Lest the government stop people from lying to you. It's all this theme of like the government no longer wants you to have good information under Donald Trump. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that seemed like the whole Mark Zuckerberg statement was all about the way in which he used like, that's like people's opinions and free speech, but he was only talking about people who support Donald Trump's free speech, very specific definition of that. It's very strange, but it's not just the tech CEOs. It feels like these journalistic institutions are just currently really not up to
Starting point is 00:52:12 the task of dealing with what's happening right now. I can't tell if they're into it or scared. I can't tell which it is. I think they're into it. I think they've had decades to not be into it, and they have never shown themselves to not're into it. I think they've had decades to not be into it, and they have never shown themselves to not be into it. I mean, I will say, again, I know I keep beating this drum, but it feels ever nearer to an actual like facts don't care about your feelings reckoning on
Starting point is 00:52:39 just like the nature of reality. Right. And I'm just like, I know, I keep saying it, but it's like, you know, the things they believe are largely not true. So like, what is it going to be just like made in the USA starts to not become the gold standard? Is it going to be like, you know, fucking like Beijing University is where you go instead of Harvard.
Starting point is 00:53:05 Like it will be something like the rest of the world doesn't have to play by these rules and they eventually won't. Like, what is it going to be? I'm just like, I guess I'm hoped I hope I'll be alive when the fucking other shoe drops on this whole shit. So, I don't know. Sorry. drops on this whole shit. So, I don't know. Sorry.
Starting point is 00:53:24 Yeah. Just a pining. I feel like it might be sooner than I was expecting prior to a couple of weeks ago. But yeah, I don't know. It's, it's, it's, uh, is there anything Emily that is making you hopeful besides teachers, which I think is a great example, like teachers being willing to fight for their kids, for their students. Any other places you're seeing hope? One thing I would say is that so much of this is local,
Starting point is 00:53:55 right, like I've been watching online as like finding videos of a local neighborhood watch, like scaring off ICE agents from their neighborhood and schools not letting them in. And, you know, ordinary people protecting each other. I also think that this has the potential for a huge informational awakening for Americans in a certain sense. I mean, I'm thinking actually, this is so dumb, but do you remember when TikTok was
Starting point is 00:54:17 gone for five minutes and everybody got on Red Note? Yeah. And suddenly Americans were like, wait a minute, you get fresh groceries for how much in China? Like they were like amazed at like the fantastic Chinese grocery hauls. Americans have managed to become, even without a Trump branded isolationism, Americans have for decades been deprived of opportunities
Starting point is 00:54:39 to really get to know the international community, to travel, to learn about the world, to expand their horizons. And I think that in that moment you describe, Andrew, of like watching China surpass us in renewable energy and get to a clean and low cost energy solution while we're still like shoveling coal into furnaces, I think that's going to be, I hope, a really healthy awakening for Americans.
Starting point is 00:55:04 I'm terrified on the healthcare front of the I think that's gonna be, I hope, a really healthy awakening for Americans. I'm terrified on the healthcare front of the number of lives it could cost us to learn this particular lesson. But I guess I'm placing a lot of my hope in great organizations that are willing to put up a fight, in ordinary people who are not naturally compliant and steal themselves to say no, even against,
Starting point is 00:55:22 it's really hard to say no to somebody who says, look, I have this piece of paper that lets me come into your home. It's really hard to say no to somebody who says, look, I have this piece of paper that lets me come into your home. It's really hard to say, nah, a judge didn't sign that paper. I'm not opening the door. It's hard to do, but I have faith in the stubbornness of ordinary Americans. And I hope, I hope that if we are able to emerge from this
Starting point is 00:55:38 without falling prey to the informational lockdown, if we're able to retain our ability to get information, we're gonna come out our ability to get information, we're gonna come out of this a much better society. That is the question, right? That's where, like, it feels like things must be, like, the way I was talking about, like, it being a sporting thing where you're like, oh, this is the thing that I don't want my opponent to do
Starting point is 00:56:02 and they're doing it, and that is probably smart on their part. Like that's my question thinking through for them is like that's going to be the next frontier is like, okay, so how do we stop the information? Like, and it sounds like they're working on that with regards to the studies. But just in terms of the day to day social media, I'm sure that, you know, beyond the TikTok ban, I'm sure that's coming too. Right? Wouldn't this be great? I mean, Zucker, bless Zuckerberg's little heart. He's my college classmate.
Starting point is 00:56:32 Wow. Cool guy. Cool guy, actually. Facebook is old. Like, I'm old. Facebook's old. Like, I also think there's a real chance that, like, we might disconnect from our social media addictions in a really different way during these next few years. That could be really, I mean, once you realize that something you've been using as a resource to learn about people around you and like what's happening in your community
Starting point is 00:56:57 is actually just full of junk. Yeah. Yeah. I go on Twitter so much less now because it's just like so full of like clickbaity, like just. Horseshoe. Yeah, exactly. And if this disconnects us from that and we go back to other forms of informational engagement
Starting point is 00:57:15 and information sharing or we create new forms, that'd be great too. Yeah. Yeah. I did want to also say a thing about the local, like to sort of tag what you were saying, Emily. Like even, you know, just like doing a small amount of mutual aid, carting shit around during the fires. And I mean, the fires are still ongoing, but it, and just thinking about California, I know I've said this on this show closer
Starting point is 00:57:39 to when the election was, but like, you know, liberal ass California couldn't even outlaw slavery. So like, there's still plenty of work that you can do in your community that will materially move things forward and make things better. That however futile, like, and however much damage is done, and we're watching the repercussions of federal government, you can still fix things, repair stuff, help people in a way that is material in your community and you should fucking do it.
Starting point is 00:58:09 Because to do it, even though you're helping people, you're doing it for yourself because you're going to need all this stuff too. There's a really good lever for that that nobody thinks about. And I want to put it out there for people to consider all of these culture war things, the way they get enforced is through prosecution. That's why Donald Trump wants to exert so much control over local prosecutors is because a lot of this enactment will have to take place in the form of criminal prosecution. Public defenders, man, public defenders are so under considered as a sort of last bulwark against totalitarianism. They are the people who are fighting against, you know,
Starting point is 00:58:50 the types of detainers that can lead to deportation. They are the people that are often first to find out when an individual is in jeopardy from their government. They are the people best equipped to legally intervene. For many people, a public defender is the only lawyer they're going to have in their life. They're going to have one lawyer, a public defender is the only lawyer they're going to have in their life. They're going to have one lawyer and it's probably the free lawyer provided to them paid by the government to fight
Starting point is 00:59:10 the government. And they there's 5900 public defender agencies in this country. Most of them are like not particularly funded or attended to but ordinary people can go to their county board of supervisors meeting say, Hey, how are you resourcing my public defender? If some if my family a lawyer, like, who is that lawyer and what support are they getting? And how well are they being paid? And like, what experts do they have access to?
Starting point is 00:59:32 And what labs are you going to let them use in a serious case? I think that it's a moment now for people to recognize that public defenders are their counsel and they should demand better. Yeah. Yeah. And that's. You work on that. You're the executive director of Partners for Justice, which sounds like that's a focus for you guys, right?
Starting point is 00:59:52 Yeah. Most of what we do is we help public defenders do more stuff beyond the legal matter. Recognizing that a court case can completely upend a person's life, cost them their housing, their job, access to their kids, access to medicine. We basically create really strong interdisciplinary services inside public defense, a little bit of mutual aid, a little bit of services, you know, a
Starting point is 01:00:13 lot of community networking so that people can walk away from a case with their life as intact as possible. It's very, very pro safety stuff. A lot of the stuff we address are underlying drivers of crime. It's also very decarceral. We've eliminated over 5,000 years of
Starting point is 01:00:28 incarceration in just a few years. Cause turns out when somebody's doing really well in the community, a judge is less likely to send them to prison. Yeah. But I'm talking about more than that, like more than just what we do. Like the daily litigation of public
Starting point is 01:00:39 defenders is going to protect a lot of people who are being prosecuted for putting the wrong book on the library shelf or Seeking an abortion right or being trans. I mean the lawyer they're gonna have is probably a public defender So even beyond my work, it's a great place to people for people to dedicate their focus Yeah, yeah And if you're just a citizen talking to your government a great place to find that money is in the insane police budget. Just throwing it out there.
Starting point is 01:01:07 Maybe some of those funds should be taken from the police. I don't know. You know, there's a great study on- 33rd helicopter? I don't know. I'm just putting it out there. A tank? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:18 There's a great study on what really, well, there's a lot of great studies on what really creates safety. And actually, if anybody cares, on the Partners for Justice website, we have a little tab that says evidence and I gathered a ton of these studies there if anybody wants data on safety. But there's a wonderful overview we did on how environmental design creates safety.
Starting point is 01:01:36 And it turns out that if you want to lower the homicide rate, you are better off planting trees than hiring more cops. I mean, so street lighting, trees. And that's not only on homicides, like buildings with more greenery, like more beautifully greened buildings are not only less likely to be burglarized,
Starting point is 01:01:56 they also have less domestic violence inside the building. So all these things we could spend money on that might work better than more subway cops playing Candy Crush. Yeah. I know this is not the way the directionality window or arrow goes, but also less domestic violence if there's fewer cops. Right. That's right.
Starting point is 01:02:14 Just throwing it out there. Could be. I don't, I actually don't know if that's the direction that the causality is. Those guys are bad guys. Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. Hi, I'm Arturo Castro, and I've been lucky enough to do stuff like Broad City and Narcos and Roadhouse and so many commercials about back pain.
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Starting point is 01:04:44 connected to the Yellowstone. Bobby Bones has everything you need to stay connected to the Yellowstone phenomenon. I look forward to it. Listen to the official Yellowstone podcast now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's go to work. I'm so sick of hearing men talk about women's basketball. If only there were a professional WNBA player
Starting point is 01:05:06 with her own podcast I could listen to. Hey, this is Lexi Brown, WNBA player and professional yapper. And this is Mariah Rose. You may know me from spilling the tea on Hoops for Hotties on TikTok. And we've got a new podcast, Full Circle. Every Wednesday, we're catching you up on what's going on in women's basketball.
Starting point is 01:05:24 And not just in the WNBA, but with Athletes Unlimited, Unrivaled, and college basketball. We've got you with analysis, inside stories, and a little bit of tea. I know you guys have seen a lot of former and current basketball players telling their stories from their point of view, and I just think it's time for the girlies to tap in. We want to share all of the women's basketball stories that you won't see anywhere else. Tune in to Full Circle, an iHeart Women's Sports Production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.
Starting point is 01:06:11 And we're back. And the Pentagon has decided that Black History Month isn't a thing anymore. They're going to be... Wait, no, just kidding guys. That's the joke. That's also, I feel like some of you need to hear me say that. Okay, go ahead. But yeah, their intelligence agencies reportedly paused observances of Pride Month, Black History Month, Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday, Holocaust Days of Remembrance, Juneteenth,
Starting point is 01:06:35 and other annual cultural events due to Pete Hegseth's war on wokeness. That's terrible. Valentine's Day, they still have off.. That's terrible. Valentine's Day they still have off. They still take us for Valentine's Day. Valentine's Day and St. Patrick's Day. We gotta make more babies. We gotta make more babies. We gotta get their rape on.
Starting point is 01:06:52 Right. Do they think we love their holidays? Like do they think we love Thanksgiving and 4th of July? Like do they think that we are getting together at Thanksgiving dinner and like, what are they doing? I don't, it's so insane how like the, do you guys not want a paid day off? Like, what are you fucking talking about? Yeah, they're they are only comfortable when celebrating emotionally distant,
Starting point is 01:07:16 straight, white, cisgender men. That's that's what we do in this country. And sometimes they'll allow, you know, Santa Claus is about as emotionally available as they'll allow. Well, that's because that's celebrating capitalism. So, right. They can understand that. Yeah. It's also I'm very like, DEI is being conflated with diversity and values that like, they're taking this like, corporatization of the idea of diversity and trying to lump the legacy of
Starting point is 01:07:46 Martin Luther King Jr. under that in a way that's very frustrating. I feel like the mainstream media is just going along with that and being like, yeah, the right is winning the war on DPI. Everything goes under that, including people who like non-white people and not straight people like that. You know, pride month is like they're, they're lumping that under like DEI, which was like the corporate world's attempt to be like, and we're listening, you know? Right.
Starting point is 01:08:23 It truly doesn't change their lives at all. At all, at all. Yeah, at all, at all. It's like a Pride month, it's so fucking loud. Yeah. It's just so loud all the time. I can't hear myself think. Pete Haig has to cancel his-
Starting point is 01:08:35 I can't hear my racist homophobic thoughts when Pride's happening. My homophobias. So muted during this. Pete Haig has to cancel his big plans for Pride month. Getting drowned out by me thinking about all these men's dicks. Right.
Starting point is 01:08:47 Have you guys heard of Netflix? What? Yeah, so Netflix is that company that used to like email people DVDs. Now, so they're now a streamer and they just held their 2025 programming preview, which- AKA Project 2025. That's that that is weird that they called it that right?
Starting point is 01:09:09 Like, yeah, they could have called it anything. They could have called it nothing. Right. Yeah, they could have just kept their prices where they should be and stop giving certain people lots and lots of money. Right. The Hollywood reporter said that it felt like a defense of like that. They were like trying to defend themselves in a weird way. Just being like, we're we're number one because they they just raise prices
Starting point is 01:09:32 and everybody's like kind of annoyed. Oh, I'm canceling my shit. I was like $18 for fucking nothing. Because now that now they don't have exclusive shit, you see like HBO shit on there. Everything's on there. We do not need to be on there, guys. Take a break. Give them a little...
Starting point is 01:09:47 Nothing, Marcella? Oh, sorry. I think you're going to want to listen to this story. OK. These sorts of events are like, in general for me, the thing about streaming is just like there's this like fire hose of expendable content generally. And then they're like, Oh, if you thought that was a lot of stuff, you
Starting point is 01:10:10 won't ultimately remember, check out this. And then just like, you know, blast you with like even more. There is stuff in here that I thought seems interesting. First of all, I did love John Mulaney's, Everybody's in LA and they're bringing that back. So that's gonna be fun. Seems expensive. Seems expensive, which should be the, it does seem expensive, but what's fun about the show.
Starting point is 01:10:35 I want something that seems expensive. Yeah. That should be the name of it. I turn that on, I go, look at that stage, look at that set, look at these guests, that is money. Is that an oak desk? That is some hard wood. Okay, that's a desk alone.
Starting point is 01:10:49 God damn. They announced a Ben Affleck, Matt Damon movie called Rip. Oh, I've been waiting for that. Oh, for them to come back together. Ever since him and JLo broke up, I knew Matt and Big B were gonna get back together. I was like, when JLo broke up, I knew Matt and Big B were gonna get back together. Yeah, they had to. They always do.
Starting point is 01:11:08 What, every time a woman does one of them dirty, they go, you know what? It's about us. I need you. I need you, bro. They need each other. I need them. Ben Affleck called it a mix, this movie,
Starting point is 01:11:19 a mix of heat meets narc meets training day. And I was like, one of those is not, like those are two classic movies and then Narc, a movie that I didn't even realize was a movie necessarily. I thought, wasn't there like a video game in the eighties called Narc? I didn't know. I don't know, but I just know that a movie is gonna be bad
Starting point is 01:11:42 when the main actor is using the log line as a way to convince you to watch it. And it's like, honey, that's not how you convince me. That's for the pitch. That's for the deck. I work out to that log line, actually. I just read it over and over again. And I do push ups. NARC! Try it again! Yeah. Mm-hmm. NARC, by the way, the reason he used NARC is because it's direct.
Starting point is 01:12:02 That is a movie that was directed by the same guy who directed this. What a fucking loser. So he just tried to throw it in like it was- Just a bunch of fucking losers. Oh my God. Loser mentality. Will you men get off each other's dicks and just try to challenge each other to be better
Starting point is 01:12:16 for the love of fucking God. I will say, all right, so here are the ones that jumped out to me that I'm like, I feel like people are going to be talking about this stuff. Tell us why you're gonna keep subscribing to $18 a month Netflix, Jack. So we got, I'm not suggesting that. I'm here to tell you, I don't.
Starting point is 01:12:33 That's what it sounds like. I'm just saying, I feel like these will be coming up in this year on the Daily Zyka. It's like, I feel like they'll cross over. You fucking sell out. Who's sponsored by BP. Sadness is sponsored by BP. Yes.
Starting point is 01:12:46 As the climate change... Squid Game is sponsored by BP, season three. Okay, sorry. As the climate change adventure increasingly gets more exciting in the coming year, thanks to our friends at BP, these are some of the things that you can entertain yourself with inside. So there's a new Knives Out, which I don't know how you guys feel about the first Knives Out. First one great, second one semi-great. This one can't possibly be great.
Starting point is 01:13:14 This one's Guns Out. They upped the ante. It's Guns Out. Never bring a knife to a gun party. The only detail that I have on this one because they had a picture of, so Daniel Craig have long hair now. This is what he was jerking off to. You were jerking off. They had one picture and I can picture. They had one picture and oh, but it was delicious.
Starting point is 01:13:35 That is, you got to hear, sometimes you hear what he's really saying when you hear what he's saying. You just got to read between the lines. Yeah. It's not complicated. It's not a kill for your wife. There's just no way she's happy. No.
Starting point is 01:13:50 You would be correct. The neither is mine. I want to say that. I'm going to chime in. My wife also. The unhappy wives club. Yes. That's what this podcast is. That's what it is.
Starting point is 01:14:01 God, she's pissed. I thought that's what Tom Seger was doing with his wife. Okay. That's what it is. God, she's pissed. I thought that's what Tom Segura was doing with his wife. Okay, sorry. So the mousy guy from Challengers is playing someone named Judd Duplentissie. Duplentissie. Who was playing this? You know the mousy guy from Challengers? The tennis one?
Starting point is 01:14:21 He's like hot mousy guy. The dark-haired mousy guy. Oh, yeah. Dark hair mousy guy. Yeah. Anyways, it's just Duplantissi. I was ready to be out on this. And then I was like, oh, Daniel Craig saying, calling someone Mr. Duplantissi is, I'm back in. Although he does have shaggy hair, Daniel Craig in this one.
Starting point is 01:14:42 Are you going to read that line? I'm waiting for you to read that line. I wonder if he will be duplin-ticitus. Is that the line that you were waiting for? But do it with the voice. I wonder if he will be duplin-ticitus. Perfect. Thank you, Marcella, for encouraging me across the finish line of my own joke. It was great.
Starting point is 01:14:57 Thank you, BP. Yeah, thank you. And thank you to BP. Yeah, as well. Full stop. Happy Gilmore 2 is coming. What? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:15:07 I had no idea. It's from Kyle from Workaholics. Of course. Sister podcast. This is important. That's going to be interesting. I do love a good Sandler and Happy Gilmore 1, a classic. Then, all right.
Starting point is 01:15:15 So this is the one. The two that I think we're really going to hear about. There's a retrospective, a classic. Then, all right, so this is the one, the two that I think we're really gonna hear about. There's a retrospective, like Eddie Murphy documentary that I feel like could be like a, you know, last dance moment for like Eddie Murr, where like people like go back and realize like,
Starting point is 01:15:39 oh shit, like he was fucking awesome, you know? Yeah, but if Michael Jordan hated basketball. Right, exactly. Right. I think he could still be doing it if he wanted to, he just doesn't like it, he hates standup. Well maybe we'll learn a thing or two about why. I mean, I do think that what he said to,
Starting point is 01:16:03 or maybe the conversation him and Jerry Seinfeld had on two, whatever the two cars and cups getting- Two cars and one cup. Two cars and cups getting coffee. You know what I'm talking about. He was like, once you're, I don't know, one of them said it, but they both agreed and I appreciate it where they're both like,
Starting point is 01:16:18 once you're rich, you're not funny anymore. And I loved that. So I'm like, I wish Elon Musk could hear that because this motherfucker is striving to be funny and it's like, dude, rich people cannot have a sense of humor, it doesn't exist in their brains. He's gonna try to be funny until the world is over. Until he ends it.
Starting point is 01:16:35 Until it kills us all, yeah. Sponsored by BP. And then there's a docu-series about the Titans that those people trying to go down to the Titanic and imploding which... Fucking losers. More losers. More these things. This loser after loser. Eddie Murphy and the guy who went down to the Titanic. I'm not gonna say Eddie Murphy. I'm not gonna call Eddie Murphy a loser.
Starting point is 01:16:58 Anyways, those are the ones that I think are coming for all our asses. Coming for the zeitgeist. Oh, and Guillermo del Toro is making a Frankenstein movie. Enough. No more monsters. Look at my little freaks. That's Guillermo del Toro. Look at all these little freaks I dug up. Look at all these little fucking weird weird weirdos. Tummy, I think. I think he keeps them hiding in his tummy. Oh, he loves keeping them in his tum tum.
Starting point is 01:17:21 He pulls them out of his belly button. He dreams one up. He pulls it out of his belly button. He dreams one up. He pulls it out of his belly button. Disgusting. Look at this one. Alright, that's gonna do it for this week's weekly zeitgeist. Please like and review the show if you like the show. It means the world to Miles. He needs your validation, folks.
Starting point is 01:17:42 I hope you're having a great weekend and I will talk to you Monday. Bye! So Hi, I'm Arturo Castro, and I've been lucky enough to do stuff like Broad City and Narcos and Roadhouse. And now I'm starting a podcast because honestly guys, I don't feel the space is crowded enough. Get ready for Greatest Escapes, a new comedy podcast about the wildest true escape stories in history. Each week, I'll be sitting down with some of the most hilarious actors and writers and comedians, people like Ed Helms, Diane Guerrero and Joseph Gordon-Levitt.
Starting point is 01:19:01 I love storytelling and I love you, so I can't wait. Listen and subscribe to Greatest Escapes on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm so sick of hearing men talk about women's basketball. This is Lexi Brown and Mariah Rose. And we've got a new podcast, Full Circle. Every Wednesday we're catching you up on what's going on in women's basketball. We've got you with analysis, inside stories, and a little bit of tea.
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