The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 363 (Best of 3/17/25-3/21/25)

Episode Date: March 23, 2025

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all edited together into one non-stop infotainment laugh stravaganza. Yeah, so without further ado here is the weekly Zeitgeist. Well Mr. Walken, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat. Wow! By the executive director of Civil Rights Corpsp, which is a nonprofit dedicated to fighting systemic injustice. He's been a civil rights lawyer, a public defender. He was named 2016's Trial Lawyer of the Year by Public Justice, the author of several books, The Incredibly Compelling Usual Cruelty, and the brand new Coppaganda, which we got to

read an advanced copy of. It's dropping April 15th. So good. Go pre-order right now. We'll be talking about it. Most importantly, a great follow on social media. Of course. Please welcome the brilliant and talented Alec Carrick at Sonic.

Thank you all for having me back. Oh man. Always. Open door. I got excited when I read the word zeitgeist at the end of your book. I was like, oh yeah, shout out to the show. Yeah, yeah. It's a great word.

I was thinking of you guys. Yeah, of course. Totally. How you been, man? I've been well. I mean, at least as well as can be. I'm excited to have this book out there in the world and I think the ideas are so important now in a time of rising authoritarianism and a real assault on basic notions of kindness and truth and love and

so I was trying to explore the last few years, you know, like what do we make of the mainstream media and how they're leading us to these really dark places and I'm just glad to be able to be able to talk about it now in public. I'd give them an A minus, I think. I how they're leading us to these really dark places. And I'm just glad to be able to be able to talk about it now in public. I'd give them an A minus. I think, I think they're mostly nailing it. What are you guys saying? Sorry. I didn't read the book, but we like the mainstream media, right?

Uh, they're cool. Yeah. I love the New York times games. I mean, with, with many a guest, we like to get to know them a little bit better and do a search history underrated, overrated, but we got a lot to cover. So we want to just kind of dive right in. If that's all right with you, Alec, unless you had a search history, underrated or overrated that was particularly pressing that you

wanted to get off your chest. You know, I don't do anything other than think about propaganda. So I said better just dive right in. All right, let's do it. I was actually, it was funny. Yesterday I was hanging out with some people who were from out of town and like, they hit me with the, is LA safe?

Cause like, and I was like, yeah. Are you okay? Yeah, I was like, yeah, LA's great, man. What are you talking about? Like, cause I see a lot of like, you know, the people running into stores and like grabbing stuff and things like that. And I'm like, oh, my sweet, sweet child.

Yeah, this is these are like cherry picked videos that they play over and over again to sort of create that narrative. Like crime is actually going down. Oh, really? Oh, one of the things. The thing that I just think about a lot is the curation selectively of anecdote. You know, you know, you could, you could take a video montage of every missed shot that Michael Jordan took in his career, put them

all together and you make them look like a bad shooter. This guy sucks. He's the worst player in the history of the NBA. Can't make a freaking shot. That's essentially what the mainstream media does with crime. So the most effective propaganda, this is such an important lesson that I learned in my years of studying this, the most effective propaganda is actually based on true anecdotes. Because if you do something that's blatantly, blatantly false, unless it's something that people can't really figure out is false, you actually lose credibility. But if you use a bunch of true anecdotes to suggest kind of

false interpretations, then you actually have much more sophisticated propaganda. It's a lot harder to tell the difference. And so what we've seen the last few years is the example like you gave. There was one video that went viral of shoplifting from a Walgreens in San Francisco, that itself spawned 309 articles around the country. That one little video. And at the same time, in that one month period that these hundreds of articles are written about it, nightly newscasts all over the country by the thousands, there was virtually no stories about wage theft or tax evasion, things that are happening way, way more and that cost orders of magnitude more money for people. And that's the selective creation of anecdote that

gets us afraid of all of the wrong things. And in case people are like, yeah, but like it's better storytelling or it's like more salient to like see the violent thing happening. or it's more salient to see the violent thing happening. It's storytelling. The wage theft is stealing from you. Those people are stealing from Walgreens, a massive corporation. They're doing it on a one-off basis and it's being extrapolated into a massive trend. They're stealing from a corporation and the wage theft is happening to you and it's not getting reported on. Right.

And the Walgreens story is being, you know, that we've got to protect Walgreens. And that is why I gave them an A minus instead of a straight A, you know, because they do, they have some lapses. Sure, sure. Andrew T., we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? All right. Get ready, motherfuckers. There's a reasonable chance this has already been one of my search histories,

but I'll do it again if I haven't, but maybe not. I fucking caved and made a viral-ish recipe. I made tempura enoki mushrooms, which were billed as, this is like fucking vegan chicken, vegan like fried chicken tenders or whatever. But you take enoki mushrooms, such as in a video episode,

you take the enoki mushrooms, cut the little roots off, and you have a bundle of mushrooms that grow long ways, and you cut the bundles into like, I don't know, call it like half a centimeter, maybe three quarters of a centimeter, like slices, and you batter those motherfuckers. So the enoki mushrooms are individually little thin mushrooms, but they become like strands of, if you really are desperate for it, fake chicken type protein type thing. Sure, sure, sure. Enoki mushrooms are just fine on their own. I'm like, we don't have to pretend it's chicken to enjoy it. Yeah, they're lovely.

You didn't need to call it that, I'm sure. Throw a little MSG into the recipe I found. It's NBD. Imagine, though, as you're biting into into them imagine a chicken dying. Yeah You know like you get that cool, right? You feel like you're getting the power of another animal, you know, I Got the power of I don't know probably 85 mushrooms that one bite though So wow a lot of yeah a. So a lot of power there.

So the thing I'm pretty sure there's a reasonable chance I've already said was what my search history is. How do I get rid of all this fucking deep fry oil? Oh yeah. Which- Just throw it on a Tesla, right? I did. Yeah, I probably, the probably sort of distressing thing is by the time I had fried my batch of mushrooms

I made several batches and I deep fried a little another thing Why am I being coy shrimp fitters? Don't be crying Excavates there wasn't that much oil left So I just kind of like soaked it up with a paper towel and put it into a grocery bag Yeah, not at that up. Garbage canned it. I think we'll allow that. All right. I just, like I said, I just throw it out my window.

Whatever this hippie shit you're doing, like fine to each their own. I don't need to. I just go right down the drain, man. Right down the kitchen sink. Yeah, right down the storm drain. It's down the kitchen sink. Right down the storm drain. It's actually the only thing we put in the kitchen sink because for some reason it stopped draining water. Yeah. No, you fill them up with water balloons

and you throw them into the LA River. That's right. Oh yeah. Fuck it. Honestly, it can't be worse. There's no EPA monitoring of it anymore. Dude, it's so funny. I have people from out of town visiting us and we like the part of the valley I'm in is right by the LA River so we walked by it and we're like and the famous LA River and they're

like wait seriously and I was like yep that's the I'm gonna be for real for real especially because I'm sure municipalities are gonna start having to generate their own revenue LA really needs to have a for, I don't know, $500, $1,000. You and your friend can ride a motorcycle and a semi down the LA River. Oh, Terminator 2000. Like a Terminator 2000. Or do any scene.

Jump it off the bridge. You can do that one or the drag race from Greece. That also happened right there downtown. Oh yeah. Any iconic LA river fucking race. Yeah. Do it with your friends. Yeah.

Yeah. Just the car crash that killed Keanu Reeves in the Rush video from Paula Abdul. Back when that was my first celebrity crush. Keanu Reeves or MC's cat cat. Paula Abdul. Oh, oh, oh yeah. Every Paula Abdul music video drop was an event in my little perverted 11-year-old brain. What was the one with the Cheshire, the way she had the Cheshire the Cheetah?

That was MC's Cat Cat. Yeah. Opposites attract. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember just being a kid, like, that's the Cheeto cat. And they're like, no, that's true. And I'm like, you know how blind it is? That's the Cheeto cat.

That's the Stefan Arkell of the Cheeto cat. Yeah, right, right. That was actually problematic that you can't tell them apart. Okay, man. Don't find me, cheetahs. What is something, Kristin, that you think is underrated? Aging is underrated. I agree with this.

I think people, you know what, like I was raised, I'm an elder millennial. Okay, but I identify as Gen X, which is the most Gen C thing I can do. But I grew up hanging out with Gen Xers. And so we were raised by boomers and they don't age, they don't want to age. Nobody wants to be called grandma anymore. You know, like they're getting new tits and lips into their seventies. And I feel like, no, who's knitting the baby blankets? No one's knitting. No one's aging.

You know, I feel like we should embrace that. Our generation should embrace aging, be proud to be a grandparent, be proud to, you know, retire, play golf, whatever. And these people, they don't want to retire. They don't want to stop fucking. They're out with boner pills, like on the loose. It's crazy.

Right. They're wild. On the loose with boner pills. Yeah, I'm always suspicious of singular explanations of what is wrong with this country. But there's, I think, I think somebody wrote a book that was like generations sociopath just about how like boomers were all, all like these narcissistic sociopaths and they made it checked a lot of boxes for me. Let's,'s put it that way there I don't think they're all uniformly like that and I don't think it's the only problem we've got but like having one

generation that is hoarding all the money and incapable of You know being concerned about the generations that come after them like if like that seems weird seems like we're currently taking it as like, die humanity just like wasn't able to deal with the challenge of climate change. What if it was just like a very selfish generation? It was just like, actually we just don't give a fuck about.

Once we're gone, it's going to be okay. There's another book that kind of touched on that called the death of the-Up by Diana West. And that was sort of talking about how like in the 60s, all of like the rock and roll shit kind of like, cows like the boomers are like, I'm never leaving this like mental state either where it's about like forever young

and all these other things that occur. I mean, there's like so many different- Sharing your wealth and being uninhibited and like not inhibiting other people's sexuality. Oh, sorry. No, not those parts. No, no, no, no, no, no. Just the irresponsibility part.

Got it. I young forever. I young, I get to not care about other people. The only thing they retained out of Woodstock was rolling around in mud. Yeah, yeah. And they like to cum. That's their only thing. Yeah.

No, they did, for the generation that like hated their parents so much, it's like, they really rebelled against aging. They invented the term anti-aging. There was no creams or anything that that phrase didn't exist. And I feel like it's embarrassing to watch them just refuse to go off into the night. It's like, sit down. Why accept the forward movement of time? You know, why?

What, what I'm supposed to just sit here and let it happen to me? Come on. I'm going to shoot up my grandkids blood right into my veins. I'm going to use my grand kid as a goddamn blood bag. Right. How far good. Right. How far we've come. It's like, we used to have children to help, you know, in the fields for agricultural reasons.

And now it's like, no, you got to have like 14 blood bags. That's right. Kyle, what's up do you think's overrated? Fucking robots, robots, robots. I hate them. I hate robots. You just watch electric age too, man. Electric state or whatever. I hate them. I hate robots. You just watch Electric Age too, man? Electric State or whatever.

I'm like, I don't want you to have, I don't want anything that does two things. I don't like it. I hate, like when you see posts now that's like, well we asked ChatGPT what it thinks about, I don't care. Oh, right, right, right. I don't want to know. There's no value to that to me.

It doesn't know words. I'm so tired of it all. I want people to do stuff. I don't want my car to have no driver in it. I am just tired. What if we didn't make any more of them? Yeah. Anything, I think the rule of thumb now in our era feels like anything that keeps us away from interacting with people is the devil. And we should be cast in a way because that's obviously like helpful methods

and, and, and things that robots do that help people and everyone's abilities are limited in different ways. And there's positives to this, but generally, generally, I'm just like the robots that deliver food. I hate you. The, the, every, everyone skirting and the shortcuts are, but this is all stemming from me just seeing a bunch of stuff that's like, well, I asked, we asked chat GPT who should be president and it said, I don't care.

It's not real. And so what, what if it agrees with you and what? Yeah. It's none of it. It's why are we giving it weight? Like it has an opinion. Right. Right. It's a calculator. The only word calculators should know is boobs upside down. Yeah. It's, it, none of it, it's why are we giving it weight? Like it has an opinion. Right. Right.

It's a calculator. The only word calculators should know is boobs upside down. Yeah. And other than that, go to hell. Go to hell. Yes. Uh, drug wars for my TI 89 hackers. Yeah.

Yeah. 82. I'm old. It, uh, other than that, I'm just like, I've had enough of the robots. I've just, I'm sorry. I don't think we, they're even fine. We, they don't need equal weight to people. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, those articles are such like, those are just coming from like chat GPT shill out. You just see whole sports articles that are all written by a robot. And you just like, you know, we can tell. I can tell when the art is the robot art. I don't know what you think.

Yeah. Is you're not tricking anyone, it's a gradient. Yeah. Sorry, Mavs fans. Sports recaps have really been taken over by robots in a way that sucks shit. I'm so tired. Oh, that and now they're just like,

just summarizing body cam footage video and under like a true crime genre on YouTube. And it's like on March 18th, 2022, this man was like, they're just basically putting like chat GPT AI narration over other videos and just making a ton it's that whole when you Google something and it's like hey Just so you know now we lead off with incorrect misinformation, and then we'll get to the links and I'm like I don't know. I know I can turn it off I don't want to I don't want to have to take extra steps to stop a robot from telling me what to do

Yeah, you just use a different this episode is gonna be how I die Like this I'll be in front of the robot tribunal and yeah Yeah, I listen to what he's three years and they'll be playing this back out of one of their stomachs That's like did you see like I just I don't know just I was fucking bored as shit I was falling asleep But I turned on that Chris Pratt movie, The Electric State. That was like a big flop on Netflix. And that whole premise is about the fucking robot wars and how like there had

to be a truce between human and robot because they were going to rise up against the people and there's like all this anti-robot and I was just like, dude, this is so stupid. I just turned it off. Anti-robot propaganda. Like we're hearing from Kyle here. Yeah, yeah. Someone's shilling for humanity.

Yeah. Somebody was saying that the robot car that drives you around, Waymo, I think. I've never been in one. And they're like, oh, you got to go in one. And I was like, what's good about it? I think it's slower. Except from the gimmick. It's slower. And they're like, what's good about it? Other, like, I think it's slower from the gimmick.

It's slower. And they're like, Oh, you know, like you don't have to like talk to the driver. I was like that is that. Yeah. That's not that, that. Yeah. I understand that that is the thing that, that, that people have anxiety about. And ultimately it feels short-sighted to be like, I think that that we shouldn't

remove that simply because, you know, I'm just like, I think that, that we shouldn't remove that simply because, you know, I'm just like, I don't know. It's all, I don't know. I shouldn't have a job because I don't want to talk to them. Yeah. I know that there are, every time I say anything on the internet, I'm like, I understand that there's three people who have specific limitations that this could really, really affect. And I just, I want to earnestly be like, but I don't mean this for you. Like if you are, if you have something that is like really affecting you in a

real way, I ultimately, I just am so, I saw a way most stopped in Los Angeles because a guy laid on the hood and covered the cameras while it was at a light and it couldn't go anywhere. And the person had to sit in it and wait for this guy to get off it. Yeah, they do that. There's another thing I saw in like San Francisco. People were putting just traffic cones on the hood and that would just completely fucking fry it.

And they're like, haha, bricked it. Yeah. I'm just so tired. I'm just so tired of everything being a robot. Yeah. No damn. Bro. I know you sound like the beginning of the electric state right now when they

do all this like cuddle with the problem with This is all by remarketing for the electric state. Yeah. We're actually, we're rebooting it. We're doing a live action version of that live action movie. Liver action. Even liver action. The robots are all played by people. Liver action. Just cleaning it up a little bit. It's liver action. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll talk about what's going on in the news. We'll be right back Have you ever wondered if your pet is lying to you

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The Wall Street Journal had another op-ed on the front page of their paper that was all about how colleges too woke. And I was just, I was kind of amazed at that, but it, it really just was kind of an illustration of how relentless they have been and continue to be in painting these institutions. We're going to talk about Harvard and Columbia, the New York Times and other mainstream media outlets,

the Democratic Party, these institutions that, I guess, benefit from being like, yeah, we are actually very liberal and just basically they are there to perpetuate the existing power structures and wealth distribution. But yeah, I wanted to start with Harvard. Harvard gets mentioned a few times in the book. Specifically, you talk about the study where two academics who claim to be coming from the left where two academics who claim to be coming from the left and to be like really bummed out by the conclusion that they arrive at are like,

guys, sorry, we're just calling balls in the strikes here. We're just redoing the math. And unfortunately, the only way for us to move forward as a progressive society is to like double the number, the already record high number of cops that we have on the street. We just need to become even more of a police state. But just more generally, you write in the book, I learned over time the most important qualification for teaching students. Oh no, this was actually a tweet of yours.

You wrote, over time, the most important qualification for teaching students at elite schools, willingness to use your mind, position and power to preserve distributions of wealth and misery. But can you just talk about like kind of what was this surprising to you at a certain point that these institutions like Harvard and Columbia were just so in the bag for the existing kind of power structure? I was pretty naive when I got to, you know, I went to college at Yale, I went to law school at Harvard, and I was pretty naive when I got to these places. You know, I was sort of thinking, oh, these are institutions of learning and they're so prestigious and like, people who come here must be smarter, and they must be, you know, really rigorous thinkers and that's really not what goes on at these places at all. I don't want to speak

too broad a brushstroke because like, you know, I've a lot of incredible friends and relationships that I've made there. There are a lot of scholars at these institutions, just like at many other universities and colleges and non-academic institutions around the country, there are people doing amazing scholarship and scholarship matters, like research matters. I'm not saying that those things are not important. That's not the lesson of the book. But one of the key functions of a place like Harvard is to launder policies and ideas that are designed to preserve existing distributions of wealth and power in our society, launder them with a veneer of academic backing and of rigorous thought and things like that.

You learn very quickly at a place like Harvard, what does it take not only to succeed there as a student, but what does it take to become a professor? What does it take to get tenure? And everybody who, it's very political. And everybody who's there understands that certain kinds of research that benefits certain kinds of people in our society and certain institutions is going to be a ticket to success and other kinds of research and views are not. And Harvard has an endowment worth tens of billions of dollars. It's a huge industry. And so a lot of the scholarship that is produced at a place like Harvard is skewed by these other incentives. In other words, it's not this kind of pure place where the best ideas are espoused and the people who are the smartest and best

Researchers with the kindest souls are the ones who succeeded it That's you know, it's not it's not how it works And I think the example that I use in my book I have a whole chapter devoted to this I think it's one of the funniest and I try to by the way Throughout the book I try to talk about all these issues with humor and a little bit of joy Because to me like life is not worth living unless you can laugh a little bit about these horrific things. Yeah. These are definitely teetering on the edge of laughter or crying. Absolutely.

One or the other. Yeah. And if you can't laugh about two Harvard professors, you know, sort of proposing the greatest expansion of policing in modern world history by adding 500,000 police officers to the U.S. based on rudimentary errors that they made that are somewhat comical, then you can't laugh about anything. And these two guys are particularly funny to me because they portray themselves not only as progressives, but as socialists. And they understand something really important, which is it's very good for your future as a scholar at Harvard. If you can be seen as one of those, you know, it's almost like a

false flag operation, right? It's like you're parading around as a leftist socialist progressive, but the ideas you're promoting are right wing and serving the interests of the people who financially back Harvard and their social circles, etc. So it's very smart, actually, if what you were thinking was that you wanted to advance your career. But anyway, these guys proposed and I think one especially comical thing about it is that in journal that they published this call for 500,000 more police. And by the way, the call for more police is, as I talk about in the book, it's absurd. They made this proposal without counting the social costs of more police. You can't, you know, say, I want it'd be

like installing a new heater in your house and not only getting the measurements wrong for the heater, but you neglected to include that this heater spews carbon monoxide into your house. You know, and so you're saying, yes, he does. Yeah. They're like, well, you know, we're installing this heater in this house and it's going to increase, you know, the heat by a degree over other heaters, you know, and not only did they get that measurement wrong, but they also just neglected to tell you it's also going to kill your whole family.

Right. So you can't promote, you don't make a social policy proposal without even asking the question of like, what are some of the costs and downsides to the proposal? Right. And anyway, but I think like the funniest part about it to me is that the journal they published this in was created in the wake of the 2020 George Floyd uprisings by Harvard as a way of pacifying student unrest. They were like, we're gonna create this journal

of law and inequality. And it's gonna be this new thing that people publish to like confront these issues of our day. And then's going to be this new thing that people publish to like, confront these issues of our day. And then, and then just a short time later, that Journal of Law and Inequality, or whatever they called it, is already publishing bold pleas by Harvard professors to add 500,000 cops. Yes. I remember when it came out, and we were like, Oh my God, the mainstream media is going to eat this shit. Love this. Yeah. Sure enough, they did.

There's also just a little detail in that because you came at this study and pointed out all the ways that it was ridiculous. Speaking of these two Harvard professors as comical figures, just the fact that they were using their students to try to construct arguments against your critiques of their book was pretty wild. Show them. They were asking the students to basically defend this against evil Alec. Well, no, I mean, I think I don't know that they were,

I don't think that they were specifically talking about me, but they were instead of testing students on the basics of first-year criminal law, one of the professors during the exam was apparently asking, and the students sent me these exam questions, they sent screenshots of them to me, and he was asking for their help

developing counterarguments to his proposal, more police. It rubbed me the wrong way about it, you know, it's, it, it, what, we're on me the wrong way about it, but I thought it was really funny about it, was like he was, he was asking students for help with this research project. You know? Just like, crowdsourcing, like,

the fleshing out of a research project. Yeah. And it turned out like the students, you know, told me that like, we had like raised a number of the objections that you'd lay publicly with them privately before they, so it's not like these people would just like, had like a huge brain fart and forgot about, you know, a lot of the critiques and they just like didn't care to respond or even rigorously address in the first place these things. And that's why I think the Copaganda book that is full of this stuff, right? What I try to do is take some of the most outrageous, funniest examples of kind of mainstream liberal institutions, whether it's professors or news organizations

and journalists or whatever, nonprofits sometimes, and illustrate stuff that is actually really important that we might miss if we just look at the news. Because it's not just these Harvard professors are publishing this stuff, it's how does that stuff then get translated into in the book with some humor because, you know, this is, you know, there's a lot of upsetting stuff in here about how we're being lied to and misled and how many of the institutions that we're told to trust are actually really untrustworthy. And we need to develop better mechanisms of critical thinking. And that's another reason why, you know, know this book we've raised money so

that any teacher who wants to teach any part of this book in school any person in prison we have free copies of the book available to people like obviously I hope that you support the book and and all the way I don't make any money off the book that any copy that sold all the royalties go to the stop LAPD spying coalition which organizes on house people in Skid Row in Los Angeles. But even if you can't afford the book, we can get free copies to people because we just want people to have a more critical understanding of the news that they're being shown.

Yeah. Which is interesting that the way you bring up Harvard, it immediately relates to the newsroom, right? Like the way professors and academics can ascend. It's not that there's marching orders, but you can pretty clearly intuit. You're like, okay, if I talk about this in this way, this is how I get my things pop in, which I feel like is another criticism we have of a lot of journalism too, where clearly other journalists know, okay, if I write from this perspective or stories

with this sort of bend to it, that's how I'm able to ascend. And that's how it further just sort of reinforces this kind of bend to it, that's how I'm able to ascend and that's how it further just sort of reinforces this kind of thing. And I think, you know, the New York Times is probably a great example of this kind of thinking. Yeah, that was really, you have a great quote from David Graeber, who we talk about a lot on this show about, like the Superman and Batman, where they're both essentially like instituting fascist policies with their superpowers, because that's all we can imagine. That tied back to how I think about

the mainstream media point that Miles was talking about, where they're playing to the audience. The audience wants to see, I think there's at least a part of the audience that wants to see this fascist. That's why Batman does that. That's why Batman does that. That's why Superman does that. They know they're going to get readers and it's just this cowardly thing that's pleasing their corporate overlords.

But I think it's also pleasing some dark, horrible part of the audience too. That is like, yeah, I want to believe that this is the police good guy. Right. And this is it. It's an easy solve. Yeah.

Yeah. I think there's definitely part of that, but I don't know. Because I mean, I think it's easy to envision you could have really compelling local news story. Like, for example, if instead of installing a reporter to read all the police press releases and regurgitate them for the news every day, what if you had a reporter whose job was to report on like, landlord tenant court and every day you had like a bad landlord of the day article or a bad employer of the day?

Absolutely. Like I think people would watch and be interested in finding out what landlords are doing to their tenants across LA or across Chicago or across the country. I think if you installed somebody at all of the sites that are figuring out who's polluting our drinking water, who is emitting dangerous gases that are hurting our children. And you know, by the way, air pollution kills a hundred thousand people in the US every year. Okay. That's four to five times all homicides can die. There are people every single day in all these cities who are actually just emitting

stuff that's killing our children. And there are people doing it. It's not a faceless thing. Yeah. Yeah. And I think, I think people would, I mean, I hear what you're saying. I definitely think there's part of like, they feel like they're, they're playing down're playing down. It's like reality TV or law and order. They definitely think they know what their audience wants. But I believe audiences would tolerate different types of villains and different types of stories about who is causing us harm, that we're more consistent with reality.

That's another thing I talk about in the book. Right. Yeah. I mean, there's so many wild ant. While the Walgreens shoplifting panic was happening, they had to settle a massive lawsuit about wage theft. But you make a good point about how anytime there are multiple cases of shoplifting, or just like viral videos of shoplifting, that becomes a wave or a trend or, you know, out of control.

But these things, the, you know, the Walgreens wage theft settlement is treated as a one-off thing. And then when you talked to editors, they were like, well, we reported on a different company doing that last month, so we can't, like that story's been done, essentially, which is so wild. And it doesn't really make any sense unless you're taking into account, yeah, but we can't like make them mad because they are the big corporate overlord. Yeah, I mean, I think you have to understand also how the news media works. There's lots

of scholarship written about how the media functions, but it organizes things into news themes and it categorizes things so that people can understand them. And so I give this great example from the late 70s, early 80s of this person who is a supporter who is embedded in a newsroom, and he watched the creation of a supposed crime wave by youth of color against old people. And there was this panic that emerged that all these young people of color were robbing and stealing from and mugging and hurting old people. And every time that happened during this period, it was seen as further evidence of this trend. But when you take a step back and look several years later,

you actually see that the only thing that had been created was this news categorization and this news trend. Actually, incidents of young people stealing and mugging and robbing old people were actually down during that period. And this is, it's very hard for people to understand, but sometimes the news, you know, for example, after the East Palestine train derailment in Ohio a couple of years ago, there were more, there's more of an interest in the news media in covering train derailments. Those are things that are happening all the time, right? There's like, but now that you're focused on it, and it's a theme of your news, it's going to play into this idea. And the same thing is happening. There was a massive society wide panic about

shoplifting and retail theft, even though retail theft we now know is down. And so how we categorize things, it's just so, so important. It's like the Michael Jordan example I gave earlier. If you're, if you're looking for it, and if you just only document the missed shots, you're going to not capture the full story. And that's what makes the media, they have such an awesome responsibility because they have a choice every single day out of the millions and millions of things that have happened in the world. They're going to tell us about 10 or 15 of them or 20 of them. And also, they're going to suggest in their coverage, how should we think about this?

In other words, is that wildfire connected to climate change or is it some isolated event? Right. Isolated event right is that airline crash? connected to Dei programs at you know Like Trump said right, you know, yeah or like so This is an awesome responsibility because just by juxtaposing Two stories together or two ideas together like I give an example in the book where

They claim that a certain kind of crime went down in a certain city and they say, just, they just note that also the police had been holding a charity basketball tournament. So it's like they're suggesting that like, and what they didn't report is that that particular kind of crime had gone down nationwide, not just in the place where there was a police youth basketball tournament. So these are all, um, these category categories and these causes, they're highly manipulable and one, if you take nothing else away from the book, I want you to take away the idea that there are a lot of very smart people being paid

billions of dollars a year to shape how you think about what is newsworthy, what's happening in the world, what the causes are, and therefore what should we spend money on as the solutions. Right. Let's take one more quick break. And then I just want to talk to you about like where we go from here, because obviously things are shifting. Some of this fascism that has been

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Wasn't Adrian Brody in that one? Uh, yeah, he played some of his accent work was incredible. He was the best. He was Sally, the African basketball player. The Kyle airs up there's what the, so I knew that they were making a Snow White remake because of the racist backlash, because of the racist backlash. That's basically how it came on our radar on this show. But yeah, they they've been having a lot of success doing the, like, I, I, I was

blown away to see like a couple of years after it came out, we were looking at like the top 10 box office grocers, like movies of all time. And like the lion king live action remake was like on there. It's like between Jurassic Park and like ET is like the quotation marks around live action are doing a lot of heavy lifting animals talk movie. I'm not sure how many cameras were there. Right. That's right. But we shot the plates on cameras.

Yeah. And we inserted them on a wild, like a movie that feels like it never happened. It's still like one of the most financially successful, like whatever that you just can't fathom all of those people ever being in the same room. It's like an ungettable. Right. Of people. Right. Unbookable cast. Yeah. But you just get them all to do it.

Yeah. And they all do it individually in separate trailers or whatever. Everything's computer. That's just him describing the Disney movies. I do like the idea of someone explaining to Beyonce how to change her input in garage band. That's right. Although I mean, she's a recording artist. She probably knows how to do that. That's, but she's the most famous person in the movie. I assume famous people can't use inputs. Yeah. John Oliver. They don't have to.

He would be to be your second poll from the most famous person. So good Beyonce, obviously. Kevin Bacon, Sabrina Carpenter. That's right. All right, so they're somewhat soulless, I guess is what I'd say. It feels a little like a CGI slop, but it's incredibly profitable because, so you got the two quadrants, all right? You got the people who saw the first movie and still like that movie,

the first Lion King, and then you got these younger audiences who will never know the joy of seeing the first movie without having this. It's like high-level AI slop is what it feels like a little bit. That is a good way of like they just copy copy pasted the YouTube link to the first movie. Yeah. And the other point that, uh, people have made is that like, like, thinking about it, like a business person, you're like, well, there's a lot of hard work that has already been done, like they've already like designed these shots and

we don't have to pay those people at all. You know, Vince Vaughn did a shot-for-shot remake of Psycho, and we all dragged him for it. Then people at Disney were like, yeah, but what if we did this with other stuff? Yeah, what if we did this with stuff that actually would make a lot of money? Everything we've ever done. Yeah. This is a remake of a 1937 film,

so I actually am skeptical that there's a ton of people who are still leftover from that initial run. They hired a lot of the same animators. Right. Yeah. The union was stronger back then. A lot of people with the same mental state as 1937. Yeah. For some reason, the history kind of rhymes. But apparently it's good. Like the early critical reaction is that it's's pretty good for a Snow White movie.

Rachel Ziegler, who is playing the titular Snow White, just her star power shines through according to early critics. Disney's burying it, which is weird. The very opposite of what they did with The Lion King when it was just the biggest media event of the year for a thing that ended up being kind of nothing. There's been so many contras, like the fans, there's so many loud-ass hater fans from the beginning

that it's just hammered Disney into a corner. And then on top of that, like the Rachel Ziegler saying things about the movie that people are like, how dare she talk up characterize a thing from 1937 is potentially being backwards. Yeah. She says one more thing has changed in 100 years. I'm going to lose my mind in my $30 house. in my $30 house. Yeah, they are doing the thing that they like move the flash that Ezra Miller flash movie did where they like don't let press come to the premiere.

Like they're still throwing a premiere, but they're not letting press come to it. What just happened earlier this week. Yeah. Yeah. It's just the movie costs $270 million. Yeah. Yeah. It's just the movie costs $270 million. Yeah. Yeah. The other thing that's crazy that they're like, you know how much snow white costs the Fox, right? We bought Fox. We bought all of the things. A fox. Right. Right. Yeah. No, it's because even to the other thing that was Rick

really telling is like the Presale for the tickets was like only like a week out from the premiere where anytime you have like a supposed tentpole film You're doing more than like a week to try and get pre-sale figures up and it seemed like very early on Maybe people were in it. Yeah, I think you can already buy tickets to the Avengers Doomsday movie. Right. Really? Yeah, yeah. In the 2030s.

I would have liked so far out. Yeah, yeah. There's a controversy. Rachel Ziegler has said some things, hugely controversial, about the sexual politics of the first movie, which by the way, like going back and watching the first movie, I did this for the Bechdel cast. Like Snow White is only, like anytime she does something with her own agency,

she like knocks herself out. Like she like runs into the woods and like knocks herself out. Like learning the buttons to a video game. Yeah, exactly. The only good things that happen to her is when she's unconscious. Literally she's unconscious and then all the animals fall in love with her. She's passed out in the dwarves bed and they are about to stab her with an ice pick and then with a-

Pickaxe. Pickaxe. Pickaxe and they just fall in love with her because she's so pretty when she's asleep. When she's awake, she runs into the woods and knocks herself out by running into branches. She eats the most clearly poisoned apple of all time in the history of fiction. This looks yummy. Even Eve was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah.

Don't tell me my business, devil woman. And then the ultimate thing that saves her, she's in a coma in a weird glass coffin in the middle of the woods. And Prince Charming comes by and saves her by falling in love with her again because of how pretty she is while she's asleep. That is her superpower, is being pretty when she's not making decisions or messing it up by having free will. Right.

She's just passed out. It's like fucking Bill Cosby wrote the movie. It's really a weird and has some weird angles. Even when she was talking about, she's just like, yeah, it's like 1937. Yeah, there are some things that are dated. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And it's well, again, this goes back to the racism because she's, you know, Colombian and also Polish that why can't they just focus on the Polish side and celebrate that? I know. You know what I mean? It was like, yeah, it's fine.

You know, because they have whole joke books in their bathrooms. I know. But like you look at too, like even when Homegirl, who was Hermione, when she played Belle in Beauty and the Beast, she also was saying shit about like how, you know, the new Emma, yes, Emma Watson. Emma Watson. Yes, thank you, Super Producer Catherine. She even had things to say about how the remake was like, that there were just some things

in the original that she was like, I don't know, but that didn't cause the same controversy, but again, because everything is all about how dare they do. It's tough to tell the difference in immediate reaction to these two actresses. Yeah. It's just really hard for me to find something that could cause a knee-jerk reaction from someone ready to be upset online. Yeah.

She is being compared to Gal Gadot, who is that plays the evil queen Gal Gadot who has served in the IDF literally served in the IDF. Hey, Daniel Day Lewis got into character early. Exactly. Has been very outspokenly pro Israel since the start of the war in Gaza and Rachel Ziegler who's just said, you know, pro-Palestine. There needs to be a ceasefire. I think that at least the way they could like come together is if Gal could get some sort of like vertical video song, montage video put together to really just let us all unite. Just try and imagine a world where that happens.

Never. I will never forget about that. That's the turning point in celebrity worship as a culture, I believe. I similarly think that that was a very important event. I'm still waiting for the long read on how it came back together. All of the Snow White reboot is shot in front of Gal Gadot's poolside cabana, where she's trying to relate to people. That's right. At the time that it came out, Ben Shapiro was like, I mean, her name is Snow White. This is white supremacist and that's a good thing, I guess.

So much so that he launched his own version of Snow White, because Snow White is a public thing, I guess, so much so that he started, launched his own version of Snow White, because Snow White is a public domain, starring a conservative, like, YouTube star, and that- I thought you were joking earlier. No, no, no, there's a trailer coming. No, no, no. I thought it was like, because Ben Shapiro likes musicals and stuff,

and I remember his reaction to Wicked being like a very viral thing. Yeah. I thought you were actually messing with me. No, no, no, no, no. He was like, we're going to, we're going to do our own and it's going to be Snow White and she's going to be really white. Uh, by the way, the person just looks the same amount of white as Rachel

Ziegler. It's not like, yeah, it's not like Disney's out here trying to fight for diversity, but anyways, they put out a trailer, looked like shit and, uh, that movie fell apart, so unfortunately we won't be getting that they'd never made it. No, no, no, no. No, of course, of course. She's snow white. Are there any people like, this is a, this is an American thing.

Cause it's Disney. And I'm like, do you know anything about snow white? Do you know who the brothers Grimm? Are they from America? Yeah. So Cleveland, I believe. Yeah. Cleveland, Germany.

They explained the energy I have while I'm there. But yeah, like it really doesn't make sense. If I had to guess why Disney is just completely burying a movie that costs them $270 million. Whether it's their objection to Gal Gadot being pro-Israeli or because they're ashamed that Rachel Ziegler says pro-Palestine things every once in a while, and because they're scared of being criticized by the right during this administration. I don't know which side is more likely here,

but it seems somewhat cowardly to me. It's also in keeping with their legacy because they've been dicks about Snow White from the start. The actress who voiced Snow White was paid $20 a day. Damn, ballin'. Was not listed in the credits. And Walt Disney just blackballed her from ever appearing in anything ever again, allegedly, because he was like, that would ruin the Snow White illusion. Right. That's why I also have her sleeping in

this glass coffin in the middle of nowhere. Right. Every now and then give her water and food. Yes. Just don't want to destroy the illusion. Yeah. That's so wild though too. They're like that old timey way of doing this. I mean, they're still blacklisting actors now. So what am I saying?

But like- $20 a day is like, you can make almost double that now. Right. For voice acting? Yeah. But like $20 a day is like it's crazy. You can make almost double that now But yeah, just like that whole equipment that texture being like you I Own you and the voice and I can disappear you my pretty and that's the fucking end of it. Anyway The actor I'm just reading the die the actress who voiced original so I being Adriana Casalotti I'm sorry. No one's seeing her would change the image of Snow White, right? I don't even know what she looks like. I'm picturing Adriana from the Sopranos, but purely based on name, right?

The mystique I guess there were eight movies then, you know, they were like, whoa, whoa, whoa No one can ride that train. It came at the screen. Do you know? They're still at that point of like movies where they're like, we don't want to ruin the magic by letting them know that- Wait, that Shapiro translates what Casablanca turns to. Do you know what I mean? He's going to have some real gripes

with where that movie took place. What if they were on the other side? I don't know. Just spit balling here. But yeah, they're like that. People are, if this woman goes out and goes on like one of these talk shows, she's, people are going to really like, literally Jack Benny invited her to come on his radio show. And she was like, yeah.

And then they were like, we checked with Walt. Walt says no, because then people will think that the drawing is not singing. They'll know that you're an actual person. Oh, if only Walt Disney knew how dumb people are falling for deep fakes now where it isn't even the actual real person singing a song. Show him a Snapchat filter. Let's blow his frozen head. Oh my God.

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