The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 364 (Best of 3/24/25-3/28/25)

Episode Date: March 30, 2025

The weekly round-up of the best moments from DZ's season 381 (3/24/25-3/28/25)See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information....

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey kids, it's me, Kevin Smith. And it's me, Harley Quinn Smith. That's my daughter, man, who my wife has always said is just a beardless, d***less version of me. And that's the name of our podcast, Beardless, D***less Me. I'm the old one. I'm the young one.
Starting point is 00:00:11 And every week we try to make each other laugh really hard. Sounds innocent, doesn't it? A lot of cussing, a lot of bad language. It's for adults only. Or listen to it with your kid. Could be a family show. We're not quite sure. We're still figuring it out.
Starting point is 00:00:23 It's a work in progress. Listen to Beardless, D***less Me on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your kid. Could be a family show. We're not quite sure. We're still figuring it out. It's a work in progress. Listen to Beardless S***less Me on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever. You get your podcast. Do you remember what you said the first night I came over here? How goes lower? From Blumhouse TV, iHeart Podcasts, and Ember 20 comes an all-new fictional comedy podcast series. Join the flighty Damien Hirst as he unravels the mystery of his vanished boyfriend. I've been spending all my time looking for answers about what happened to Santi.
Starting point is 00:00:48 And what's the way to find a missing person? Sleep with everyone he knew, obviously. Listen to the hookup on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Welcome to Pod of Rebellion, our new Star Wars Rebels rewatch podcast. I'm Vanessa Marshall, voice of Harrison Dula, Spectre 2. I'm Tia Zarkar, Sabine Ren, Spectre 5. I'm Taylor Gray, Ezra Bridger, Spectre 6. And I'm John LeBrony, the Ghost Crew Stowaway moderator. Each week we're going to rewatch and discuss an episode from this series and share some
Starting point is 00:01:20 fun behind the scenes stories. Sometimes we'll be visited by special guests like Steve Blum voices Zabarelio Spectre 4 or Dante Bosco voice of Jaiquel and many others. So hang on because it's going to be a fun ride. Cue the music. ["Pomp and Circumstance"] Listen to Potter Rebellion on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:01:44 45 years ago, a Virginia soul band called The Edge of Daybreak recorded their debut album, Behind Bars. Record collectors consider it a masterpiece. The band's surviving members are long out of prison, but they say they have some unfinished business. The Edge of Daybreak, Eyes of Love, was supposed to have been falling up by another app. Listen to Soul Incarcerated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your
Starting point is 00:02:11 podcasts. Hello the internet and welcome to this episode of the weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one, uh, nonstop infotainment, laugh, stravaganza. Uh, yeah. So without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist. Well, we're thrilled to have you. Thanks.
Starting point is 00:02:41 It's fun to be here. It's been a while. Yeah. Yeah. Coming from undisclosed locations. Yeah. I'm at a crazy location. I'm at my new job. Yeah. Mystery. Mystery. And I work for one of the evil empires. One of the famous ones. Like I'm not actually so many the American. Yeah. Yeah. And I's just for our own conscious, we would rather you not divulge that much Chris.
Starting point is 00:03:09 Yeah. Just bleep that part out. Please. I'm in the back room of an old Navy. There you go. There it is. That's even funnier knowing where you are. You're like, I'm in the back of old Navy. Don't worry, dude.
Starting point is 00:03:24 We're switching out seasons right now, so nobody's going to miss me. But you are in the heart of capitalist empire. That is true. The vibes are good. I have to imagine good. They're taking all the money, right? I'm on a campus type thing,
Starting point is 00:03:41 where it looks like it'd be a lot of fun. know I also know nobody at this place is gonna listen to this podcast these people don't know anything about anything except for like what's wrong with the copy machine they don't know that's not that's something they don't know but they want to ask every you know like that's one of the main topics like what is up with a cop copy circling back re the copy machine. Yeah, anyway, I just like fun benefits whimsical benefits It's just like it looks like it's gonna be fun, you know, and then like it's just I don't know it's like no matter how much soft ice cream you give to Like a gulag
Starting point is 00:04:25 Gulags had soft-serve machines Like a gulag. Like, oh, you know, like, it's still good. Would have gulags had soft serve machines and fun orange couches. Would have a gulag had like, yeah, like had like, you know, something said like, live in your best life or something on this time. I mean, it's like fucking, it's not, you know, and gulag actually would be a funny comedic device if it wasn't like at the front of our actual news Yeah, right, but yeah, this is not a gulag, but it's it's just it is interesting that I've been trying to figure out
Starting point is 00:04:53 What's weird about it? It's just like a really fun looking building, but the but there's no no laughs And it's what is everyone just kind of like eyes straight ahead like just getting the work done or like the socializing is very Superficial because everyone's I mean I get it everyone's toy dry off the right of being unhoused and uninsured So it's like okay, man. I just gonna do my work tomorrow. I think it's mostly work Yeah, I think they have huge amounts of work like a real ton of like closely monitored work like they love that You're sneaking up to record monitored work. I love that you're sneaking off to record a podcast right now. This is your...
Starting point is 00:05:26 I guess I'm like, they got a lot of work. If I got fired, I'd be fine with it. I don't care. I'm doing my job the best I can. Yeah, yeah. I did find out in the last couple of years that being freelance as a... I don't even know how to discuss this without like sounding like a like you I would consider my meet myself to be sort of a success at what I do.
Starting point is 00:05:49 But but this kind of whatever this is like, you know, is not doesn't pay, you know, doesn't pay enough. It pays like, you know, I'm so grateful for my Patreon I have from my podcast and and I'm grateful for the occasional thing I'll get like a tour or something like that but it's not something that you can count on I had a tour that was supposed to happen last fall that was gonna be a lot of money you know a lot but once again like what I think of as a lot of money but isn't a lot of money you know it's like sure less than I don't want to say how much
Starting point is 00:06:20 it is but let's just say it's like yeah it's not a living wage it's not enough you know and it's like that fell through and then I's just say it's like, it's not what, it's not a living wage. It's not enough, you know, and it's like that fell through. And then I was fucked. So it was like an emergency, like, cause I had that lined up and I was like, oh my God, the universe is like providing, you know what I mean? Like, oh, it's true what they say, just manifest your,
Starting point is 00:06:38 you know, just getting a good mood. And, and, and, you know, and, and that happened at a time where I was like, oh my God, this isn't gonna work out. And then it was like in the mail, like an offer from some people I like saying, come out and do this thing. And it just didn't, and I'm not mad at them. It just got canceled and that's that.
Starting point is 00:06:54 But that was the end of, then all of a sudden it was like, oh, I can't manifest my way out of the fact that I have like $200. You know what I mean? So it's like, so I had to get a job. So I'm at a job and I'm very grateful to have it. But I will say that there's not a lot of room to move up anymore for anybody. You're sort of in your job and that's, that's what it like, there's not, I don't feel like there's much excitement. You kind of know you have
Starting point is 00:07:23 a basic idea of where you're going to go and it's not going to be too far vertically. It's going to be maybe, you know, I don't think the spirit, I don't know, I'm sure like there have been a million jobs like this, but they don't present themselves as fun usually. I think that's the difference. Like if you worked at like, you know, I don't know, there's something- Yeah, like the Ford factory in the seventies or eighties or nineties. Yes. And like, this know, I don't know, there's something. Yeah, like the Ford factory in the 70s or 80s or 90s. Yes, and like this will be fun.
Starting point is 00:07:49 Henry Ford, like also like, even though he was probably a horrible employer and I think he was like strike breaker and everything. Yeah, okay, so, but you know, he still didn't like, he didn't like, he didn't like wear a Speedo. He didn't like have a Henry Ford like action calendar, 1938, where it showed him on his boats and stuff. I mean, they didn't rub it in like, I mean, they did, but it was just like, different
Starting point is 00:08:16 way you can see these, these guys that are running your company now in bathing suits, like just being like, fuck you. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, you know you know it's like that is not like a lot of the jobs at this company require a lot of like ability, but you're serving people who are like You know you know they're not good. They don't even pretend you know they don't even pretend that this is this is just a transactional You're just working for something that has no
Starting point is 00:08:44 Goal other than money. There's no other thing they're even talking about. They're not even trying to disguise it, you know, except for with the live in your best life neon. But even that it's like now that Trump's in office, all that rings completely hollow because all of these oligarchs just lined up all these guys who put up the. You know, all these like we're inclusive and all this bullshit is completely, it was all just, just whatever. They read the room at the time and said, we have
Starting point is 00:09:11 to put up this kind of shit because this is what's happening because you got a democratic president now. Oh, fuck, fuck all that. Yeah. And that's disheartening. I mean, I don't know, you know, I mean, you can be in here and make money at this, you know, this old Navy store that I work at in the mall or, you know, but I mean, just because there was a foosball table in the break room with this old Navy, they're not going to trick me into living here or, you know, being here forever. Yeah. And I am not really at an old Navy, but somewhere in between an old Navy and, um, and a world bank basically somewhere in between old Navy and Raytheon.
Starting point is 00:09:46 Yeah, yeah, right, right, right. What is somethings that you think is underrated? Okay, hell. Okay, interesting. Cause most people would say that's the bad one. Okay. Hear me out. I'm intrigued.
Starting point is 00:10:02 Do you remember when we all were like, I don't believe in hell and I don't think hell's real and everybody calmed down. Oh, yeah, right now. I realized like, OK. Not only do I need hell to be real. I don't know why I ever thought I was going there. There is so much evil that I am so far away from.
Starting point is 00:10:29 So do you think that you're like, I'm going to hell? No, no, no, no, no. I speak with the manager. I'm such a good person. All this time, I thought, oh, man, because I like drank sometimes and I eat pork and I like pepperoni. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. We're talking hell is for a scale.
Starting point is 00:10:50 We did not imagine folks. It's gotten bad out there. I do wonder, and I think this is like what a lot of religion comes down to is like, does it great on a curve? Like if everybody got bad, it's like Old Testament. They don't grade on a curve? Like if everybody got bad, because like Old Testament, they don't grade on a curve. They're like, this city got bad and we're turning everyone to salt in the whole city. It's not like, this guy was like top 10% in- Not everybody's getting touched.
Starting point is 00:11:18 Everybody's getting touched. This city was bad. We're gonna let one person survive in a boat with, uh, with the animals. Everybody else is gone. So that's, that would be my contention is we're all going to hell. Maybe. Here's what I think. I think Sodom and Gomorrah, I think what we got there was a disinformation campaign.
Starting point is 00:11:41 I think they all got measles and they were anti-vax and that's actually what happened. You know what I mean? Like, I think it was like probably more of a hygiene issue. I think it could have been an experimental art piece where people were just sculpting from salt and meant to be like, I don't know what happened. They all turned to salt I think. We don't know. We have to always be aware of disinformation campaigns now. We can't look back on history without that lens. I remember when I asked my dad about that,
Starting point is 00:12:09 maybe like when I was 12 or something, when I really kind of started thinking like, wait, is this all bullshit? I remember him saying, how do we know this isn't hell? Oh. That's the question. How old were you? 12.
Starting point is 00:12:21 Oh man. And that shit fucked with me. That is what people, that's like a Buddhist idea, right? Or even purgatory. How old were you? 12. Oh man. And that shit fucked with me. What do you mean? That's like a Buddhist idea, right? Or even purgatory. Yeah, that this could be purgatory, that like, who's to say whatever this existence is, is not. And I just remember like,
Starting point is 00:12:35 but he just said that shit to fuck with me though too. And I was just like, yo, what the fuck? Damn. Said that shit at school and it freaked all my friends out. I find myself daily, hourly, just going, I hope hell is real. I hope it's real. Yeah, it is. Because it's ugly.
Starting point is 00:12:51 Please be real. It's ugly for some people. Send them all to hell. Send them to hell. Wait, is how vivid are the depictions of like hell for Muslims versus like Christian? Oh yeah, fire, brimstone. It's obviously fire. Oh yeah?
Starting point is 00:13:04 You got a little fire and brim. Yeah, we got some fire and brim. All right. Hey, and in that way, there's more in common than there are differences. That's what I'm saying. We can all get behind hell. Yeah, but it ain't for us. The hell they're actually going to is the same hell that I think they're going to. And then is there like working class hell and then like the people who control capital hell, like is it like, is there a sliding scale as a worker?
Starting point is 00:13:32 Are you capable of doing evil that arises to hell? Yeah, I mean, you can, but I realized is that hell is a collective formulation of what we as the working class manifest. Mm, go on. What do you mean? We, like an awesome improv herald, we build the experience of hell collectively for these fools. I see.
Starting point is 00:13:58 You know, like a where's Waldo landscape. And we are hell for them. I mean, our vision of it. I see, I see, I see, I see. You know what we put, I see, I see. Mm hmm. Some people might put Nickelback in there. No, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:14:17 You lost me. No. OK. I'm not doing that. I'm sorry. Not today, Satan. I saw you try. You tried, Satan. No, not today. Nickelback saved rock and roll music from those devil-worshipping, motley-crew, hair metal, ECDC, Nickelback are decent folk. By the way, on Buckle Buddies, I wonder if we could just give
Starting point is 00:14:41 Elon Musk a couple Buckle Buddies. Did you see him with those forks? Oh, those spoons and shit? Yeah. I wonder if we could just get him stimming on like some buckle buddies. And this is what I'm saying. I think we need some power lines. One of those one of those steering wheel things with the with the scrolling streetscape. I feel like we might be able to save some jobs here. I don't know Alex with some of these things overrated Jake Tapper. Come on, man Now you're talking about my favorite news guy. Now you're chatting shit What do you mean this guy fucking rules? He tells it like it isn't
Starting point is 00:15:19 Well, why is Jake Tapper? I'll hear you out Judas He's kissing me on both cheeks now. Oh, well, all right. So there's a website called 1900hotdog that I write a column for once a month. And I did one recently about Jake Tapper because it turns out he wrote the single worst blog post I've ever read. Oh, no. It's a blog post called Gangbanging in Media Land that he wrote for Salon.com like 20 years ago.
Starting point is 00:15:49 It was like he's like hot shit young reporter kind of guy. Is that the idea? It's like a comedy piece, but the premise is he's going to come up with like rap nicknames for everyone at the New York Times and the New Republic in order to do like humor about those magazines arguing about the rationale for the war in Iraq. And it's like if you just Google gang banging and media, like he says like, oh, the New York Times is hoeing out on the New Republic and like a bunch of terrible stuff. Like doesn't know how to even speak in rap.
Starting point is 00:16:24 Wow. Like doesn't know how to even wow and he's right. He's yeah He's like opening paragraph is comparing it to the beef between the source and double XL magazine For people don't know those are like seven reals him up magazines Yes from the from the 90s and then double XL in the late 90s But like that's rival hip-hop magazines a source and double X are locked in an increasingly ugly feud that has reared its head in advertising boycotts rap records and a nasty over- over the top gangster editorial slams against one another. And then goes on to editorial slams. Okay, Jake, what up shorty? As Snoop Kitty, her B hatch.
Starting point is 00:16:56 I can't. Yeah. Yeah, you're right, Alex. We should. Yeah. Holla at me. And he did this like a couple months before he was ABC News' talking hat at the White House.
Starting point is 00:17:07 And like, like, I think he's just basically some kind of actor or something. Like he's not, I don't know what journalistic help he's ever given anyone in his entire life, but people just like trust his face on TV. Yeah, yeah. He's just got a bland, blandly handsome face. Yeah. And a lot of those people are like that. So I have way overrated that that seat should go to somebody who'll do anything for anyone.
Starting point is 00:17:28 Has thoughts? Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God, bro. Have you ever seen the episode of Celebrity Jeopardy where Wolf Blitzer goes up against Andy Ritter? Yeah. Wolf Blitzer ends up in negative territory and it just becomes increasingly clear. He is just a completely empty brain like
Starting point is 00:17:47 Empty-headed dips. Yeah. Yeah and Andy Richter smart as hell. I Cannot stop reading this fucking book. It's like he should go. I look I'm not for prisons at all But if but this is what prisons is for It's for dumb shit like this Jake Tapper But this is what prisons is for. It's for dumb shit like this Jake Tapper. Fuck, true dat, affirmed executive editor Snoop Kitty or kicking it old school in DuPont Circle. Ugh.
Starting point is 00:18:14 Right, right, right. Collinzio been acting janky. One day it's all inspectors, UN disarmament, then bus a CK and disarmament is just an option. Dizam. Ugh. Yeah, yeah, Miles isn't an option. Dizam. Oh. Yeah, yeah. Miles isn't riffing.
Starting point is 00:18:28 He's reading the book. Yeah. No, I couldn't. I couldn't. It's impossible. He uses the word N-I-Z-Z-A at one point. Oh. Where's, yeah, and like- God damn.
Starting point is 00:18:40 Okay. And people do like weird stuff online when they're young, but he was, I did the Googling. He's 33 years old when he wrote that and had been in professional media for like several years. He's just a Dartmouth legacy who fell into a seat. Like that's it. Oh, God, love that. Don't need to respect him.
Starting point is 00:18:57 Yeah. Keep that on the DL, you Dartmouth legacy. I'm going to go back to the legacy. And Alex, what's something that's really incredibly fascinating that you've been covering or researching of late. This is a special category just for you. What we like to ask you when you come on. I appreciate it. The one that just came out is about salt.
Starting point is 00:19:20 It's me and Katie Golden, of course, and then we had Jason Partridge join us too. But it's the entire story of salt. And I, I grew up next to the former estate of the founder of Morton salt. Like the rich guy, he turned it into an arboretum so you could like, go look at the trees and stuff. Uh, but it turns out he revolutionized the salt business a few ways in a row. And like salt grains look the fancy way where they're all different until the late 1800s, and then he made people really happy by making the uniform tiny white grains of
Starting point is 00:19:49 salt. People couldn't get enough of it. People were like, thank fuck. It's all a little dust now rather than flakes I have to contend with in my hands. Wow. It's funny how we come full circle. Tired of all these, look at me, look at me, little wannabe salt flakes that think they're so unique. I think they might be communists. And they shouldn't give blood.
Starting point is 00:20:12 They should. The salt. Exactly. Bad for you. Too much salt and blood. And thanks for asking. Yeah, I love topics like that where it seems like it'll be ordinary, but there's just a bunch of amazing stuff.
Starting point is 00:20:24 That's all. So I was actually just listening to the blind boy podcast. You've ever heard that show? No, I haven't. What is it? He was just talking about salt potentially being one of the first drivers of civilization. So maybe you guys covered similar stuff. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:40 The idea that it could preserve meat and therefore you didn't have to like follow the animals around because you could just kill the animal. The idea that it could preserve meat and therefore you didn't have to like follow the animals around because you could just kill the animal and like have it preserved for a couple seasons nearby. A couple seasons? That's how long they get that shit going? Damn. Oh man.
Starting point is 00:20:58 That dry-aged salted beef. I know. I don't think that they were thinking about it like that. They're like, Ooh, just hang this shit. Snap into a slim gym. Maybe. Right. It's a fun concept, but jerky built civilization.
Starting point is 00:21:14 Like I know it's really soft, but like, I like that episode. Yeah. Yeah. Our God, Slim Jim. That's right. All right. Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and check out a couple cool videos. We'll be right back.
Starting point is 00:21:32 Imagine you're scrolling through TikTok, you come across a video of a teenage girl and then a photo of the person suspected of killing her. And I was like, what? Like it was him? I was like, oh my God. It was shocking. It was very shocking. I'm Jen Swan.
Starting point is 00:21:47 I'm a journalist in Los Angeles, and I've spent the past few years investigating the story behind the viral posts and the extraordinary events that followed. I started investing my time to get her justice. They put out something on social media, so I'd get called in the middle of the night all the time. It's like how do you think you're gonna get away with something like this? Like you killed somebody.
Starting point is 00:22:10 It's the story of how and why a group of teenagers turn to social media to help track down their friend's killer. This is their story. This is my friend Daisy. Listen to My Friend Daisy on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Do you remember what you said the first night I came over here? How goes lower? From Blumhouse TV, iHeart podcasts, and Ember 20
Starting point is 00:22:39 comes an all new fictional comedy podcast series. Join the flighty Damien Hirst as he unravels the mystery of his vanished boyfriend. And Santi was gone. I've been spending all my time looking for answers about what happened to Santi. And what's the way to find a missing person? Sleep with everyone he knew, obviously. Pillow talk.
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Starting point is 00:23:18 Now, take a big whiff, my brah. ["I Heart Radio"] Listen to the hookup on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Hey kids, it's me, Kevin Smith. And it's me, Harley Quinn Smith. That's my daughter, man, who my wife has always said is just a beardless, d***less version of me.
Starting point is 00:23:40 And that's the name of our podcast, Beardless, D***less Me. I'm the old one. I'm the young one. And every week we try to make each other laugh really hard. Sounds innocent, doesn't it? Lot of cussing, lot of bad language. It's for adults only. Or listen to it with your kid. Could be a family show. We're not quite sure. We're still figuring it out. It's a work in progress.
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Starting point is 00:24:21 You like me? He actually is too good to be true. This is a con. I'm conning you to get the gelato painting. We could do this together. To pull off this heist, they'll have to get close and jump into the deep end together. That's a huge leap, Fernando, don't you think?
Starting point is 00:24:38 After you, Chulito. But love is the biggest risk they'll ever take. Fernando is never going to love you as much as he loves this job. That painting is ours. Listen to The Setup as part of the MyCultura Podcast Network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. We're fucking back, man. And we're back. We're fucking back, man.
Starting point is 00:25:08 And we're back. And better than ever. We're so fucking back. It's going to be increasingly interesting to watch as things, you know, fuck ups happen in this administration that have anything to do with technology, given what we've learned about Donald Trump's relationship to technology. Andrew, did you see the clip of him talking about how Baron
Starting point is 00:25:33 is a computer with? Because he turned it back on? Yeah, I saw it. Yeah, because he turned it back on. I saw it. And I said, how you do that? All right, let's do it one more time for the people in the back. We got it. I just need the whole quote. I tried turning off his, I turned it off, I turned We got it. I just need the whole quote. I tried turning off his guys, turn it off.
Starting point is 00:25:45 I turn off his laptop. I said, oh, good. And I go back five minutes later, he's got his laptop. I said, how'd you do that? Now he has his dad. Now he's got an unbelievable aptitude in. Yeah, seems so old. I can't do this.
Starting point is 00:26:00 He's got an unbelievable aptitude. I feel like Trump is one of those people that, you know, he obviously is kind of dumb in a lot of ways, but he's like one of those dumb people who learns five smart words and just like runs them into the ground. And aptitude is one of those words. I've heard it many times and it's not a word most people use. And it's a word that kind of makes you sound a little bit smarter. Yeah. He uses it too much right?
Starting point is 00:26:27 Like used when trying to make average people seem incredible great aptitude at this He's basically a C student in technology I don't know about that Jasmine Crockett though. She's got a bad aptitude What but yeah this this whole fucking controversy Scandal that now the media has I guess they had so much trouble with all the other scandals But this one this is like old-school scandals that they're used to so now they're like, yep, that's bad disappearing like foreign students for speaking out about and supporting Palestine. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:08 I don't know about that. I don't know about that. Just arresting people who are here legally, but because they have a tattoo and you're like they're in a gang, send them to El Salvador. But this one, it's also funny too. So the Atlantic has now published the full chat because the whole time the White House was kind of, they were counting on the fact that they weren't because they felt like
Starting point is 00:27:30 they're gonna be responsible and not like show the chat. So they were saying like it was taken out of context essentially? Yeah. Yeah, and also to be so adamant that nothing classified was discussed, no attack plans were discussed. There's not even, so now we see the whole thing whole thing we've got they're talking about like when planes are in the air what they're attacking blah blah blah There's one part too where they're like we got the target We saw him enter his girlfriend's building and now the building is collapsed and JD Vance's response
Starting point is 00:28:00 Excellent, like mr. Burns or some shit. And you're like, hold on, you guys flattened a fucking building to get one person. And I mean, this should be par for the course because America's not about efficiency when it comes to going after targets above any kind. But like, that was just one thing I read. Like that was a little bit like that details, like the whole building is gone. So we're good. And yeah, that very Bernsy in response. But now because the transcripts are out, they can't just do the same thing where they're like, nah, they didn't talk about it. And then it sort of turned into bull.
Starting point is 00:28:36 Actually signal, signal is actually really secure. So it doesn't even matter. And now they're just like, what the fuck am I going to say? So for starters, right. Trump is so fucking old and senile that he basically has no clue what any of this is. And it shows when he was asked directly, like, hey, what do you think about this little signal thing?
Starting point is 00:28:55 And he just sounds like an old guy where a bunch of young people were telling him it's not a big deal. And that's just kind of his energy. Go ahead, please. He was not classified. Do you think that Mike Waltz made a mistake and doesn't need to apologize? No, I don't think he should apologize. I think he's doing his best.
Starting point is 00:29:13 It's equipment and technology that's not perfect, and probably he won't be using it again, at least not in the very near future. What do you think? That's all right. I agree with you. Let's get everybody in the room whenever possible. Who's this? That was Michael Waltz, Chief Fuck Up.
Starting point is 00:29:31 Oh, the guy who did it? Yeah, that's why he looked there. Yeah, he was basically like, and we probably won't be microwaving any glow sticks anymore while wearing a beautiful shirt. And he's like, no daddy, no, I will not be microwaving glow sticks in the microwave. I know that's bad and then just kind of dismissing it is like it's a technology and a thing an equipment No, they don't this is a fucking guys were talking about classified shit and unsecured channels
Starting point is 00:29:57 Which normally lands people in prison? This is his great genius times you find out defects by exactly things like that But I don't think it's something we're looking forward to using again. We may be forced to use it. You may be in a situation where you need speed as opposed to gross safety and you may be forced to use it, but generally speaking, I think we probably won't be using it very much.
Starting point is 00:30:22 Dude, gross safety, man. Ew. That safety is disgusting. That safety is nasty. This is like gross safety that you're trying to have like operational security for national security and whatever. But so when he's talking about like using it versus like he does he just mean like the group chat, the technology of like having a group chat? Yeah, I think so because that's what Mike was like,
Starting point is 00:30:45 yeah, we'll definitely like get together in person. That's probably better than like in a skiff or something. But also is there, I mean, obviously, so I guess Signal is not as secure as you would want for government war secrets, right? But isn't more important the fact that they invited a journalist to the chat? Isn't that also part of it?
Starting point is 00:31:06 But they're not really addressing that part of it at all. Right? No, because they have to kind of tack on to whatever they feel gives them the best chance of defending something that is completely indefensible. So they're maybe on the technology instead of being like, oh, he pushed the wrong button, and like the worst button you could possibly push
Starting point is 00:31:21 in that scenario. I mean, this is, it's probably good that obviously we just played the how you do that clip where Trump is so like, this is so far out of his depth. He does not have an aptitude for technology that these people can just basically give the excuses to daddy and he has no clue. So he's like, I see, I see.
Starting point is 00:31:38 So they're just, they're tripping, huh? Yeah. He's gonna, there's almost no chance that he hasn't at least asked if he can get Baron across this. If he's not, you know, he's like he there's almost no chance that he hasn't at least asked if he can get barren across this We're close so we're close to this so Michael waltz right he's doing he went on Laura Ingram show And just was doing like just contradicting himself all over remember It was him that created the group and added people to it and And in most realities, that would mean the buck stops with him.
Starting point is 00:32:07 But his defense is very nonsensical. This is him trying to explain exactly what happened to Laura Ingraham. Have you ever had somebody's contact that shows their name and then you have an and then you have somebody else's number there? Those mistakes, right? You've got somebody else's number on someone else's. So, of course, I didn't see this loser in the group. It looked like someone else.
Starting point is 00:32:29 Now whether he did it deliberately or it happened in some other technical mean is something we're trying to figure out. This guy just said, so of course I didn't notice this loser. That he added. Right, this is the guy who added him? Who added him.
Starting point is 00:32:43 So of course I didn't see this loser. He tricked me into doing the adding. I also have to say, I've never had somebody's number on somebody else's name in my contacts on my phone. Just the base level of that. That's never happened to me. How is that common? But dude, he's like a loser. You know what I mean? And then, did you see at the end he's like,, I don't know if he probably snuck into the group or something. What are you fucking fucking smegle ass lodging? This fixie hobbits is snuck into our group chat. Dude, you fucking added him.
Starting point is 00:33:16 So this reminds me of like early podcast ads. We talked about this when we hosted the podcast awards, but like, when they were like the post office fucking sucks Am I right and everyone had to be like yeah, they almost brainwashed me into being like Off is the worst place in the world. We all agree on that right like They're just trying to like make it seem like we're all constantly Said group sex and like adding people who we don't know like this happens all the time to all of us it's like no this is you can keep
Starting point is 00:33:50 trying but like this is not a problem that anyone has really run into right the excuses get worse so then he's trying to be like I don't know like we got it we got to get to the bottom like they're doing the hot dog car sketch right now. And he's like, what the fuck happened? So this is him going on about, no, we got, we're going to really look into this. We've got some smart people looking into this. We're going to get to the bottom of it.
Starting point is 00:34:15 We've have, I just talked to Elon on the way here. We've got the best technical minds looking at how this happened, but I can tell you, you added him for 100%. I don't know this guy I know him by his horrible reputation And he really is a bottom scum of journalists, and I know him in the sense that he hates the president But I don't text him he wasn't on my phone He wasn't on my phone Diet coke man, and he was just bothering me. Like, this guy, he goes,
Starting point is 00:34:47 we've got the best technical, I don't know, you'll have to look. Philly or Baltimore. Like, we need the technical minds looking into this, your fucking fingers? Right. Well, why do you think this guy was invited? How, what do you think happened?
Starting point is 00:35:00 He's from Boynton Beach, Florida. Jack, so you know. Oh yeah, damn. Wanting on, I don't know, cause he wanting on his phone. So like, that's kinda crazy. How do you get in the group chat when you want on? He wasn't on there.
Starting point is 00:35:15 Like I think the most, the easy response here is that he is so bumbling and inept that he doesn't even have the wherewithal to double check who's on a fucking group thread when you're talking about like a military attack in Yemen. That seems like the easiest. Other people are like, maybe he was trying to leak it to the Atlantic or something.
Starting point is 00:35:38 Leak what? Yeah, 4D chess of completely. This is called classic leaking to the press as that one guy did his Malaney bit the other day. Although now it sounds like the Joker. It's hard to do a good Malaney, I feel like. Yeah, without crossing it over into Heath Ledger's Joker. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:57 John Malaney does a great Malaney. He, one of my favorite Malanies. Yeah, he's so good at it. Is John. But yeah, so right now I think Trump said that again, he announced that Michael waltz will be leading the investigation into what happened with his own fucking hands. I mean, it does like maybe somebody else added him thinking they were adding somebody else. I don't like that is a question. Does he have a name that is similar to somebody who would
Starting point is 00:36:22 like plausibly have been there or like a number Jeffrey Goldberg, I think in the article said it may have been this other person with the same initials, but they don't have the same name. Maybe maybe he was like, maybe he's like, okay, these are the people to add. These are the people that definitely not add. And then he accidentally added them from the not add list to the list. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's very, very, very, very sad and dumb. And I think that's the thing at this point,
Starting point is 00:36:50 it's just so clear that these people don't know what they're doing at all. To the point where they can't even, they're just using Signal for all of this shit. They work at some tech company. Has anyone in the military commented on this? Because I feel like people who are like putting their lives on the line, you know, in the line of duty,
Starting point is 00:37:09 it's like, they're the people I feel the, should be the most mad about this. Cause it's like, you're looking at our lives essentially as like a game that you're playing on this group chat and you're inviting journalists. It just feels very disrespectful to like, people who are taking this seriously and are actually like out there fighting for a country or something I don't know. It's not like a hardcore military supporter, but it feels a little bit like
Starting point is 00:37:31 Disrespectful to that. That's what I mean. That is the take of everybody who's just like are these people like serious, right? Right, you're already asking poor people to enlist in the army to do violence on behalf of the American Empire You're not even a fucking try and keep them safe while they do all this shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. But he's he's come back. Michael Watson, like Hex at the night. We're veterans. We get we very much understand what's at stake here. We just don't know how to fucking text or none of that. I mean, military people are also some of the best at not talking shit about superior.
Starting point is 00:38:09 So maybe it's all people outside, like it's all retired people who are like some person said that the details that were like in the, in that SIG, like that signal thread were like rise to like being court marshalled in any normal instance. Well, that's the wow. Have has a person as high up as the vice president ever like openly like that's against international law, isn't it? To be like he just walked into his girlfriend's house and then we leveled the house. Excellent. Like that feels like a killing of an innocent person.
Starting point is 00:38:45 Jack, what are you talking about? This is America, man. We don't know how many buildings we want to collapse on innocent people. And the media can't be fucking bothered. One. I know. I know. It is. Have we technically ever had them like, yes, we've seen like the WikiLeaks stuff where like people like entire wedding party parties are bombed and they're like, Roger. But you don't have like Biden on the on wax being like, where like people like entire wedding party parties are bombed and they're like Roger, but you don't have like Biden on the on wax being like, hell yeah, brother. Yeah. Like, like excellent as a response to like he just walked into his girlfriend's place. Now it's leveled and excellent just feels like a new level of like you just did. Yeah, just did it That's yeah, you're the that's not a he's like slow down slow down. You're turning me on
Starting point is 00:39:41 Alright just give me like 20 minutes Shit um alright, so we'll see My own meetings yeah They have I mean they have started to be like it's it must have been a low-level official Like there they've there's been mention of some other person either way at the end of the day There's people who have an aptitude for computers, and there's been mention of some other person, either way. At the end of the day, there's people who have an aptitude for computers and there's people who don't. And if Baron's not in charge of it, I can't be blamed.
Starting point is 00:40:16 You're playing with fire if you're not running everything by Baron. Even an iMessage, you know it'll be like, Jack added Andrew to the group chat at 839 Okay, you know My parents Yeah, exactly I've definitely had friends who have like been talking shit about someone and they accidentally text it to that person, you know That person always hear about that. I always hear about someone saying something about someone and there's like a weird like wiring in the brain where you just like send it to that person.
Starting point is 00:40:50 I heard multiple people, but I've never heard somebody just randomly adding the wrong number to a massive thing. Uh, but except for on Fox news over the past three days where they're all like, I do this all the time. Like Jesse Waters is they're all like, I do this all the time. Like Jesse Waters is like hypothetical of like, we've all added Grandma to the bachelor party thing, and suddenly she's getting 12 consecutive dick pics, because that's what we do with our bachelor party bros. Just watched a movie from like 10 years ago with that exact plot point of
Starting point is 00:41:23 texting the wrong person when you're talking shit about them. It was The Intern, the movie with... Vince Vaughn? No. No, that's The Internship. That's The Internship. Oh.
Starting point is 00:41:35 The Intern is Robert De Niro and Anne Hathaway. Anne Hathaway, so Anne Hathaway is talking shit about her mom and she accidentally emails it to her mom, and then Robert De Niro has to break into her mom's house and get into her computer and delete the email. So this is something we covered 15 years ago in a Robert De Niro movie. You can't be inviting the wrong person to the group chat.
Starting point is 00:41:57 Yeah, yeah. And that's probably their favorite movie. Anne Hathaway's mom does come back, and Robert De Niro has to kill her. Yeah, it turned into a different kind of movie. It's kind of fucked up. The deleted scenes from both that movie and Meet the Parents, just the bodies that he's leaving in his wake. Adam Devine has to help Robert De Niro. Right. Process the corpse.
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Starting point is 00:46:21 And Chris, as we do about this time in every episode, we like to ask our guests Overrated well overrated and I'll make this I really will make this quick What made me think of this was what made me think of this whole Republican thing and pepperoni is like deep knowledge of music Is also like pepperoni to them. Like it's like too exotic. Like we just need the normal bands. I don't need to know about a million bands. I need to know about Pearl Jam.
Starting point is 00:46:50 I need to know about the Allman Brothers and Government Mule. I need to know about quality good bands. I just need about four bands to get me through. Four standard bands that go with my... Chicago. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, they go with my pants and my general attitude. Bands can't be hacked. Right. So music bands that are too cool to be hacked. So anyway, that this I had this radio show on college radio, and a Republican kid who went to
Starting point is 00:47:19 Vanderbilt, Kate had a show after ours, and it was called the cocktail hour. And it was mad. But they put it on at 11am. Our show was on like eight to 10 or something. What was your show called? Best of Bread. Okay, got it. Yeah, it was on from 2005 2009. At some point in there, most of the students at Vanderbilt, you know, don't aren't aren't interested in college radio. So the whole schedule is wide open.
Starting point is 00:47:47 So we had a whole, the whole schedule was like locals and this, but this kid was from Vanderbilt and he was a preppy kid, you know, he dressed like a golfer or whatever. And he, and he, and he came in and he was like, and he played. First of all, he's like, man, I wanted the show's called a cocktail. I was hoping they'd put it on at five, but he didn't understand. Like you don't get to choose. Like he's like, they put me on 11 AM kind of ruins the concept. And we were like, yeah, it's a great concept, but wanted the show's called Cocktail Hour. I was hoping they'd put it on at five, but he didn't understand, like you don't get to choose. Like he's like, they put me on at 11 a.m.
Starting point is 00:48:06 Kind of ruins the concept. And we were like, yeah, it's a great concept, but yeah, it's ruined. Cool. It's a crazy concept. It's called the what? You should give up, you should stop. It used to be called happy hour.
Starting point is 00:48:16 So anyway, here's the thing about Republicans. It's like very much like choosing a commercially available app to transmit war plans or not having pepperoni on your pizza because you think it's communist. These guys, this guy played normal music on college radio. He played, like when you listen to his set as we were driving away in the car, he played like honky tonk women.
Starting point is 00:48:39 Wow. And then he played pink by Aerosmith. Pink is my favorite color. And then he came back. I mean, that's like standard. That was in 2005 or 2009. That is what is on most radio stations anywhere. That's what I mean.
Starting point is 00:48:54 Yeah. Republicans are idiots. Yeah. And they don't see it. Because they convince themselves like, yeah, I don't need, I don't need to go crazy and find out about every band when there's a perfectly good band called the Rolling Stones. And ladies and gentlemen, anyway, so he played, he played fucking honky tonk women on a goddamn college radio. That's what Republicans do. Yeah, that's right. I'm playing. I don't know if you guys heard this little banger from REO Speedwagon, but we're playing can't fight this feeling. I think the first time anyone's heard this one.
Starting point is 00:49:26 Yeah. And you're not going to believe this. It's a live version of REO live from 1997, but he doesn't even know. It's like with all the wrong, all the wrong band members. You know, it's like the original REO Speedwagon. So that's it. That's it. I don't know. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:43 That's, I don't know if I proved my case, but I think Republicans are so stupid. Yeah. And overrated is the cocktail hour. Overrated is Republican DJs. Okay. That guy probably has the number one podcast in America right now. And obviously both parties are horseshit. But I mean, like in general, like being a Republican has always been like bragging about knowing nothing and thinking everything was going to work out just because you fucking, you know, use the right, cause you use ivory
Starting point is 00:50:15 soap and it dries your fucking skin out. Right. I don't need moist skin. Why am I so itchy all the time? I don't need moist skin, you liberal fucker. Yeah, they don't even know their skin's dried out. Right. It's just flaky. Let's talk about a news story, shall we?
Starting point is 00:50:33 Yeah. Over the past couple of weeks, we've seen a bunch of legal residents of the United States and students being disappeared because they either looked like gang members or they had the decency to speak up against a genocide. And they're getting, like in some cases, they're just like people in masks are coming up to them. Yeah, I'd say almost all cases these people are hiding their faces.
Starting point is 00:51:02 And like the tattoo, I was just reading about a guy who had an autism awareness tattoo for their little brother, and they use that as grounds for being gang tattoo. Another guy had a soccer ball. Anyway, and now we're seeing more students, you know, then like even students who weren't like necessary, like as if organizing a protest is worth having any kind of attention on you from authorities. But there's another student at Columbia named Ranjani Srinivasan, who left to Canada because they were just like,
Starting point is 00:51:34 they found out that she found out her visa was being revoked and had ICE agents knocking on her door. She was just like, I wasn't even participating in the Hamilton Hall protest. I have openly supported the Palestinian cause, but I wasn't necessarily at the rallies or organizing or speaking at them. But yes, she left because she was just like, this is fucked up. Then like there's so many stories like this. Another we also touched on, you say,
Starting point is 00:52:01 Oh, Chung was like another student from South Korea who's been here in the US since she was seven, but again, deigned to have any kind of opinion on genocide. We've seen this with lectures at universities and one of the most recent ones was like this disappearing of this PhD student, Rumeysa Ozturk, who was at Tufts University. And again, she's getting a lot of attention because of her brazen daylight kidnapping that was caught on fucking video. And it looks like some shit out of a movie like she's walking on the sidewalk, she's on her way to a friend's house to break her fast. And one one by one mass agents pull
Starting point is 00:52:37 up, start pulling badges out, start clawing at her taking her backpack off, putting their masks on and throw her in the back of an SUV. And you know, like we see all these things. We see what's happening with the government. I think definitely all the time, just sort of internally and outwardly, saying shit like, oh my God, what is this? Nazi Germany? A lot of people do say this kind of thing. But I was just reading this piece by Daniel Besner, who's a historian, and he's been on Zeitgeist before. He wrote a piece in Jackman that gave
Starting point is 00:53:07 a little bit some perspective that I really needed. He points out that, wow, this is all very disturbing and terrible, and not normal by what we believe to be the everyday comings and goings of America. It isn't some freaky fascism that is happening here that comes from European history. This is all actually very American. And the laws being used are not coming out of thin air.
Starting point is 00:53:34 They are American laws. And it just sort of gives a lot of these examples to sort of help recenter what we're fighting against, because I think it's very easy to be like, this is some foreign malady that's landed on our shores and what do we do about this, rather than giving ourselves a little bit of historical perspective and understanding that the way out of this is truly like through reckoning with how our own laws are constructed, how our own systems of oppression are constructed. Like talking about presidents that act unilaterally without congressional oversight,
Starting point is 00:54:07 you point to the fact that while typically Congress was the body that was empowered to officially declare war, the last time Congress did that was 1942. And since then we've threatened or used direct force over 200 times at the behest of the president. Or it was weren't officially wars, you know what I mean? Sure, sure. So we didn't officially lose them either. That's undefeated.
Starting point is 00:54:31 And like illegally detaining and deporting people, I mean, look, we've seen it in World War II with what we've done to Japanese American people. This was also happening during Woodrow Wilson's presidency and it goes on and on and on. And I just think, again, his point isn't that we just need to sort of chill out because this is all just very par for the course of the United States. But again, like to frame it as this thing that isn't uniquely American is not,
Starting point is 00:54:54 it's counter to like effective resistance when we, this is truly also about reckoning with what, what has been constructed in the United States and actually figuring out how to dismantle those things as well. Yeah. I think it's hard for Americans to... The Israeli quote unquote settlers who attacked the Oscar-winning filmmaker and they had masks on as they did it. People are like, oh, it's like the Klan again. But then when there's these masked police officers or whatever,
Starting point is 00:55:27 these masked ICE agents who are kidnapping people off of American streets for having the wrong opinion, I feel like people aren't as quick to make that connection, even though the Ku Klux Klan is the origin of American policing. Yeah, it's definitely entrenched in it. And also thinking about the people who are of high status, which is why they even covered their faces when they did that because they knew this was something they couldn't reconcile that with their outward personas or identities.
Starting point is 00:56:00 But yeah, it's just, I mean, I think the point being too is like, because I think a lot of people are like, oh, we just got to get rid of Trump. But if we don't get rid of the rule set that we just have in the United States, Democrats use these same laws to justify these same kinds of actions as well. So it's not, I think that's like a larger point that we really need to think about and also really take a second to really sort of settle with that. Because right now it's students who have visas who aren't technically United States citizens that they're mistreating with impunity. The logic in history only suggests that this will then extend to actual citizens of the United States, too.
Starting point is 00:56:43 And to think that maybe this is like, well, it's going to it'll certainly stop there and it won't come to us, I think is really, really dangerous. And we really need to look at what's happened, like, especially with the student at Tufts. Like, I think the only again charged without any without a crime at all. No, no crime that she wasn't charged with any crime. They're just like material support for Hamas. I think the only thing they can point to is that she was in
Starting point is 00:57:09 a byline in the university paper that doesn't even mention Hamas. It just asked the administration at the school to recognize what is happening that the international court called this place, the situation in Gaza for a high risk of genocide, acknowledging that and divesting as appropriate. And this is what's happening. And I think that's very fucking scary. It's very frightening and sadly very American.
Starting point is 00:57:37 This is the moment we have to move beyond the two party system or we have to abandon both these parties at this moment. I don't know how we're going gonna do it, but I think most people well, not most people but a lot of people realize that we're appealing to the Democratic Party at this point is um, is pointless and and all you have to do is look at the history of the Democratic Party for even the last like 20 years or 15 years, you know, Obama, I cried when Obama got elected. That's how invested I was in party politics back then. That was not long ago.
Starting point is 00:58:10 And I really thought something good was gonna happen. And then- Because they told us something good was gonna happen. Yes, I mean- They said hope and change. No, I say, I got no transparency. Maybe I'm gonna prosecute the bankers. Maybe I'm gonna prosecute the war criminals
Starting point is 00:58:24 from the Bush administration. I said maybe. I said the bankers, maybe I'm going to prosecute the war criminals from the Bush administration. I said maybe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah. And anyway, and that was like quite the opposite with Obama. He, I don't know the stats, but I know he was doing tons and tons of drone attacks, you know, accidentally blowing up weddings. And deporting people as well.
Starting point is 00:58:39 And deporting and going after whistleblowers. So this is the thing, whistleblowers haven't been deported because they're American citizens. And maybe that's like a bridge too far, it was then, but they did everything short of deport, they ruined their lives. Like the people that broke the story, that the CIA was still collecting Americans' phone data
Starting point is 00:59:02 or like illegally, the NSA, CIA, those guys were like, hey, there's a whole room in this building where they just have this thing that's copying the whole internet and they said they stopped doing that. Those people all were ruined. I forget the name of the guy I wish I had on the tip of my tongue,
Starting point is 00:59:19 but that was an American citizen guy. Well, Snowden had to leave. Reality winner. Anybody who tries to do the right thing generally Yeah gets fucked like hard not Democrats by Democrats just as hard as Republicans So that if we really want that to change
Starting point is 00:59:39 You know there has to be and we may be able to pull out like an AOC or a Bernie out of the we might be able to pull some like greatest hits out of the Democratic Party to start a new party, but I'm suspicious of even that. But I mean, we really need a third party or just I mean, those parties are done, in my opinion, yeah, I've seen the absolute failure appealing to Democrats now is just like, anyway, so I think because we still look at like America as like this house that like we still want to live in and it's like we're nostalgic for it without really realizing how dilapidated, rotten and violent it is. And we're like insisting that it can be fixed. And we're but we're all we're all living under the same sort of oppressive cage and trying to think that like, well, maybe if we can just reform this, it'll work rather than like what activists have been saying for the last thing, like you can't, we can't reform our way out of this. Like this has to be left behind because we're seeing what the status quo for both of these,
Starting point is 01:00:36 both sides of this political spectrum, how that plays out. And it's not beneficial to normal people at all. It's basically two flavors of oligarchy. Yes. not beneficial to normal people at all. It's basically two flavors of oligarchy. Yes, one one has like better marketing and the other is just more in your face with how fucking just brazen it is. So I think, yeah, to your point, it's every time people like I mean, like so many people are like, God, the what the fuck are they doing? Like we can't even fuck like these people don't even want to have a fight.
Starting point is 01:01:02 We that energy has to kind of extend to also realizing we cannot let these people, you know, continue to try and convince the rest of America that like they are the solution to this problem, that they are also the cause of. And in the meantime, everyone's got to run until there is third party. That's what I'm saying. Like, dude, you running is amazing. Kat Abu Ghazala running in Illinois's ninth district to against Jan Shikowsky. That's great.
Starting point is 01:01:27 The, the home that is running for mayor in New York, Zoran Momdani, who is just again, talking that real shit about like, we are leaving normal people behind and we are emphasizing the wellbeing of corporations over really simple shit, like being able to afford to get around the city or pay your bills or eat food. And whatever free speech we have left, we've got to use it. I mean, like right now you can still run for office. Uh, it's not even hard and you might not get elected, but you will get to speak to people that was for me, like just getting invited to events where they gave me a microphone.
Starting point is 01:02:08 Right. You know, that's huge. Like being on a podcast is also huge. The fact that you guys are talking about this stuff fearlessly is huge. I'm so excited every time I hear someone telling the truth because it's dangerous right now, but it's a risk that has to be taken. You know, it has to be taken and and and you know, I Anyway, yeah what you're saying is correct. I mean, it's like
Starting point is 01:02:30 I'm just as I mean, I'm still wishing the Democrats would would do something because I grew up in this country Yes, I'm like, oh god Chuck Schumer really dropped the ball. Whereas there's a lot of people are like he's a Yeah His job is to drop the ball, you know? Did you forget what you said yesterday? You know, because you keep wanting to go back to, because everyone just wants to have some fun and like raise their kids. They don't want to deal with all this fucking bullshit.
Starting point is 01:02:57 He's like the Washington generals. The Democrats more and more just seem like they are intentionally there to have their pants pulled down as the Harlem Globe Trotters like put spin the ball on top of their head and then one bucket of confetti on their head. Yeah, it's literally called controlled opposition. All right, that's gonna do it for this week's weekly zeitgeist. Please like and review the show it for this week's weekly zeitgeist. Please like and review the show if you like the show. It means the world to Miles. He needs your validation folks. I hope you're having a great weekend and I will talk to you Monday. Bye! So Hey kids, it's me, Kevin Smith. And it's me, Harley Quinn Smith.
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