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Hello, the internet,
and welcome to this episode of the weekly zeitgeist. These are some of
our favorite segments from this week all edited together into one non-stop infotainment laugh
stravaganza. So without further ado here is the weekly Zeitgeist.
We are very, very, very lucky to have this fantastic journalist, someone who covers a
lot of stories that don't get enough coverage.
If you obviously listen to this show, there's probably a very good chance that you're already
familiar with him from his work with Cool Zone Media.
It could happen here, et cetera.
If not, maybe you know him from his work with places like the Wall Street Journal, National
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welcome to the microphone, James Stowe.
Hey, that was great intro.
I feel very hyped up on myself now.
Thank you, thank you.
That was amazing.
Yeah.
If I ever die, if you could just do the like,
you know, the initial bit when I come into the funeral,
I presume I will die.
Here he is.
Oh wow.
You think so?
Yeah, I think so.
I don't feel like I'm immortal.
I had a friend recently, like really confessed to me
that they were so afraid of dying in like the most real way.
And I was like, yeah, man, the thing about that is it's pretty hard.
We're all going to do it.
Not much we can do.
I would I would try and sort of have a reckoning with therapy.
I don't know. However, you need to.
I mean, that's why people turn to religion.
You know, for sure.
For sure.
The idea that but then then I start getting my head about living forever. I'm, that's why people turn to religion. You know, for sure. For sure. The idea that.
But then then I start getting my head about living forever.
I'm like, I don't want that either.
I never ever.
My friend is.
I would fuck me up as a kid, you know, when I was like thinking about that.
This my friend, he's like the sort of I don't know if they were like
the old Ricky Gervais radio show with Karl Pilkington, where he was kind of a straight
like he's just like a uniquely strange guy.
And and he said to me so earnestly, like I just don't because he was. I saw I had some weird ass supplements in his kiss. I'm what the fuck is this?
He's like, it's like a salt bill your body absorb. I'm like, what is that?
Oh, you see like a live forever guy. No, like he's he's he's getting a blood boy
He's get his head is turning that way, but he would never actually go through with it
He's just like healthy like it's never like, okay, but he would never actually go through with it. He's just like healthy. Like it's never like, but then he'll be susceptible to buying some weird salt.
Not your friend is this, but it's very funny that sort of like in the genre of like, like
techie billionaire crypto fascists, whomever, whomever were like obsessed with being, you
know, like the most alpha male that they're like also trying to live forever, meaning
they're just like pussies about dying.
Like, okay, so you think you're so fucking hard and you're like,
we don't want to fuck that.
Fuck straight up, bro.
Fuck exactly.
Not up and die.
Yeah. Sooner than later.
If you're Elon, no, like it's no.
His is more like a childlike fear of like what happens after.
It's not even like, bro, I'm too fucking hard to die.
Like, what if but then what happened? I'm like, bro, you are too fucking hard to die. Like, he's like, what if but then what happened?
I'm like, bro, you are 40 years old and you just stop fooling with these supplements, man.
And I was like, did you you would really go through the act of seeing many people,
you know, die over and over because you're immoral?
He's like, yeah, yeah.
I was like, OK, man, maybe you should read some vampire books.
They seem pretty fucked up and they can live forever.
It's like a primer. Mort Burke, what is something from your search history
that's revealing about who you are?
Yo, I was just looking up Carl Jung's explanation
of synchronicity, just because I find that sort of interesting
and I'm noticing more synchronicities in my life.
OK.
Now, I only know the police album, Synchronicity,
but I'm not much up on young in theory.
Yeah, you're more into like Sting's psychological theories.
Yeah, absolutely. What's what's what what education?
So yeah, yeah. So he just talks about the occurrence of meaningful coincidences
that seem to have no cause. Right. So something for me, it'll be like something to come in my life.
And then something to come up again or again, or I'll be thinking about something and somebody will say it. It's like this weird thing that happens. And he would talk about how that is we find it meaningful because it suggests that things are connected in a way that we can't see like it suggests patterns that are beyond our ability to understand. So it's sort of this weird, like, magical thing that happens. And if you're, if you're like a wacky, if you're a spiritual dude like I am, people think it suggests you're like on the right path somehow.
Like if you know there's like a bunch of synchronicities, you mean?
Yeah.
You're probably going in the right direction.
That's, I think it's like optimists confirmation bias, you know, that's pretty healthy.
Yeah.
I've noticed, you know, there was a time when I noticed like a bunch of
synchronicities and then I was like out in a cabin, like in a beach town with,
uh, some family members and I just kept noticing shit lining up, you know, it
was just like kept lining up and like at night, like I looked out my window and
saw like other people who were exactly like us.
And they like broke into my house and like they looked just like me and my family.
And they were like living underground. This is the plot of us.
I love how you guys were like.
Yeah, no, you really got me.
When you got to the part that broke into your house, I was like, Yeah, no, you really got me. I couldn't believe it when you got to the part that broke in your house.
I was like, no, no, the story got sad.
I was like, huh?
Look, I didn't want to be like, motherfucker, that's us.
But again, I wanted to honor your truth.
You know, you never know.
These things...
You never know?
Look, we should have let you describe...
The rest of the podcast should have been you just the rest of the podcast. You just described it.
It's entirely and we're like, no, what?
And then and then at the end of the next morning, like a bunch of people
were just holding hands across America.
Chuck, what is something you think is underrated?
Naps.
Oh, yeah, I came out. Yeah, I came out very publicly on stuff you should know.
And we did a full episode on napping and, uh, I came out as a napper, a
daily napper if I can, and, uh, I got a lot of email from people that, uh, not
were shaming me, but just, you know, I can't believe you can find time in the
middle of your day to just, just to lay down and do nothing.
And I was like, I'm not doing nothing. I'm sleeping.
Your nap, that's something. You're re-setting and re-charging.
Yeah, it's been great.
How fast of a nap are we talking here?
How long? Well, they say, and this is the stuff you should know part,
like the science of it is, is that whatever your one sleep cycle, one rim cycle is, is the best nap.
So you don't wanna cut it short
and you don't wanna go over that
because both of those can make you feel sleepy.
So I set my alarm for 45 minutes
but it usually ends up being like 35 to 40.
I'll just sort of naturally wake up feeling good.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's funny when people are like,
how do you find the time?
And like meanwhile, we're scrolling on our phones
for like an hour and a half straight.
Yeah. Yeah. Look at that screen time number and ask about your time. Yeah. Exactly. Right. how do you find the time? And like, meanwhile, we're scrolling on our phones for like an hour and a half straight. Like, yeah, it could have been that.
Yeah, look at that screen time number and ask about your time.
Exactly.
Right.
What do you mean?
How do you know, but anybody who says that I guarantee you does nothing for 70% of their day.
Right.
Because, because people who are actually busy know how you can find the time.
Oh, you mean like when you're super ground down?
Sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But it all depends.
Yeah.
Do you take a little blocks of time where we are in between shit that we can
fucking nap.
Yeah.
Well, that's why, you know, we got to, I think we just have to normalize
napping across the board, like jobs and things, you know what I mean?
Can I, all right.
So you're a napper.
I agree.
I was going to ask you, you know, cause some people, and I like my
girlfriend naps too much, like she'll take, she'll go to sleep for like two to four fucking hours. Yeah, like that's not a nap. You're fucking yourself up
Yes, but like
But also like I you know
I tried to do like the set the alarm for like 20 to 40 minutes somewhere in that range
No, and it'll take me a few minutes to go to sleep.
Yeah.
Blah, blah, blah.
But I also do not nap in my bed.
I only save.
Same.
Like actual sleep time for my bed.
Is it just like couch or chair napping?
Yeah, I got a nap.
I got a napping couch in my, my, my office area.
So that's where I go.
All right.
Turn on the white noise, actually brown noise and put on the sleep, sleep mask.
And wait, what's brown noise?
Brown noise is like a bunch of farts.
Yeah.
If white noise is this brown noise is.
Oh, okay.
Just lower, lower frequencies.
Oh, I like that too.
There's my baby pink noise.
I think I've heard of.
Yeah.
There's a bunch of noise. There's a bunch of noises, Miles.
Bunch of noise out there.
The noise economy is thriving right now.
Chuck, what is something you think is overrated?
Well, I have a whole list of people I think are both overrated and overexposed that I sort of go off about to my friends all the time.
Spill that tea. I think we should get Peyton Manning, Dave Grohl,
Matthew McConaughey, Jimmy Fallon and The Rock
and put them on a rocket ship
and shoot them out to the ISS
and tell them just to spend a couple of quality years there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm tired of all those guys.
Okay.
I can rock with you on, except on The Rock,
cause I'm a wrestling fan.
So he'd be coming back sometimes.
I'd be loving it.
Oh, for wrestling.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
For the wrestling alone.
For the wrestling alone.
I mean, I think that would be tolerable, right?
The rock just coming back to do wrestling.
It's all the other stuff.
I'm like, ugh.
That's fair.
That's fair.
Wait, Dave Grohl?
Just too much with all these guys.
Dave Grohl.
How come Dave Grohl?
He's, I mean, I'm not a big Dave Grohl fan,
so I should say I'm probably a little biased.
But he's dialed'm probably a little biased,
but he's dialed it back a little bit
since he got outed with his extramarital affair.
But before that, he was just one of those overexposed guys.
He was everywhere all the time, showing up,
like McConaughey these days.
Like, I don't need to see Matthew McConaughey
on the sideline of every Texas football game 15 times.
You know?
Right, right, right.
Or selling me insurance.
Yeah, Oh God.
And linking cards.
Oh yeah.
That link.
Every now I'm like, he does, he does a few, he does like Hulu commercial.
He'd be doing a lot of commercials.
It was true.
Like Dave Grohl for a second would be like in so many like viral internet videos.
Like there was a stretch.
It's like Dave Grohl showed up to play with this kid's birthday.
Right.
And it was like sort of how Jackie said, no, you know, it's like how John Ham kept
showing up at UCD stuff and like doing comedy stuff all the time.
We're like, okay, John, we get it, bro.
You like comedy.
Yes, John, we get it.
You have a big dick and you like comedy.
Every character you come in when you, I'm sorry, John, one note for your improv.
Every time you come in and you go, doctor, my penis is so big.
What should I do? No. No, no, one note for your improv. Every time you come in, you go, doctor, my penis is so big. What should I do?
No.
No, I just feel, no, no, no.
No, no, no.
No, no, no.
It wouldn't surprise me.
Woo, it feels like some shit though.
Yeah.
Wait, so you said, okay, Fallon, yep.
We said Fallon will, Peyton.
Peyton Manning, man, just go,
like Eli's on the list now too,
but God, I'm so tired of those guys.
Yeah, we need. They do a lot.
They do a lot. now too, but God, I'm so tired of those guys. Yeah, they do a lot. They do a lot.
Um, especially just, I mean, I do think Peyton is funny ish.
Uh, like he has a natural like time.
Yeah, but the bars are for athletes, but the bars is low for athletes.
Yeah.
So that's, that's fair, but he is, he is out there in these streets.
Yeah, no, he's 100%.
And don't they have like a whole manning of show?
Isn't like a show with all them too or something?
I don't know.
Well, I mean, you can watch Monday Night Football
with just those two brothers as the,
like in their bedroom watching it or whatever.
Oh, sure, sure, sure. Like the manning cast.
Oh, right, right, right.
Cause Tom Brady is not great on mic.
Yeah, put him on that rocket too.
I'm tired of that guy. Yeah, yeah that rocket too. I'm tired of that guy. Yeah, him too. I'm tired to touch down Tommy.
June, what is something that you think is overrated?
Something I think is overrated and I chose this independently
of before we were going to talk about the tariffs and Curtis Yarvin,
but I think Curtis Yarvin in particular,
his writing and his quality of writing is insanely overrated for someone who is like the
intellectual of like the anarchy
Anarcho-capitalist movement right now and like the near reactionaries
I don't know if you've ever actually read any of his writing, but oh my dude
He is god awful at writing like I'm not a good writer like I am horrible at writing
I'm not a good writer.
Like I am horrible at writing. There's a reason why I'm a good, I'm a good like shit, posty short form writer.
I'm not like a good like article writer.
I don't do like, you know, 2000 word article when I was, when I was in college, my
girlfriend at the time had to proofread and like ghost edit everything I wrote
because I, you know, I'm just like my writing long form, it gets a little messy.
But Curtis Yarvin, I'm better than that dude.
I think most people are better than that dude.
His writing is dog shit.
I think there is a Behind the Bastards episode,
which I would encourage people to check out if you need a primer for Curtis Yarvin.
But June, give people a sort of,
I guess there's so much you can say about Curtis Yarvin,
but what would be your log line for people who are like, when they say who is Curtis
Yarvin?
Such as me, I might say that.
Oh, June is about to break it down for you.
June, break it down for us.
You did.
Yeah.
So, so this is a guy that he continues and this, this is a guy that went under
my radar for a long time and I think continues to, because he's not really
talked about in the media.
He's not really acknowledged in any way. So people are just like, oh, he's people make
the mistake of, oh, he's just some like online weirdo. He's not important to focus on, but
he's not just an online weirdo. He is much like many of us. But he is a particular type
of weirdo who is like genuinely like he is a neat. He calls himself neo-reactionary. He is essentially what amounts to, I guess,
a right-wing economic theorist. And he has very close ties to Peter Thiel, who is very
close friends with Trump, Elon Musk, runs Palantir.
JD Vance.
JD Vance. He owns JD Vance.
He owns JD Vance, yeah.
He owns genuinely. He owes his entire career to him, yeah. Right. He owns genuinely. Yeah.
He owes his entire career to him, basically.
But he is like an anti-democracy, anti-freedom, what he wants is to destroy the US government
and most governments through his theory called the butterfly revolution and his rage theory.
So basically, long story short
He wants to destroy democratic governments in favor of creating
small city-state like
technocracies run by people like
Peter teal and yeah, well that's having like a CEO basically as the figurehead
right and he basically wants it to like you have to opt into
And he basically wants it to like, you have to opt into different zones. So you could like free movement to like, Oh, I'm sick of living in the Elon Musk zone.
I want to move to the Peter Thiel zone.
He basically what it amounts to, I think the easiest way to put it is he just wants pure
global anarcho capitalism.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they're on their way.
I mean, you look at it right now.
It's, it's in happening in real time.
We have Elon Musk acting as the CEO of America, uh, making wild cuts,
destabilizing the government because of other huge part of it is like
accelerationism too, is that they're like, we need everything to fucking
crumble and die so people are ready for a just cataclysmic societal change.
That's what's super relevant with, with all of this is it does seem like
the powers behind Trump's second term are all believers in
the butterfly revolution and the destroying the economy,
government to get us to that point.
That is like it's playing out in front of us like his area.
If you take a read of his butterfly revolution from 2022,
it's kind of scary how it's all lining up on drink, on rice.
Also, how dare he besmirch the good name of butterfly.
I love butterflies. I studied biology in college. I love the monarch. I love milkweed. I love
the connection between the milkweed and monarch butterflies.
He is shaming the beautiful creature.
What a fuck.
All right, look, we're going to talk about this.
We're going to take a quick break and we're going to get into the tariffs
because even though these people think they're smart,
I think they're doing the dumbest version of the dumb thing they're trying to do even.
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should we talk about? You had many topics that you wanted to discuss. I think the one
that absolutely is front of mind, I think, Jen, even if people
don't realize or not is Myanmar, uh, because on Friday, right, there was a.
Just devastating, uh, magnitude 7.7 earthquake.
The, as of right now, the death toll has passed 2000 and people say it's
probably going to be much higher, but maybe five times.
And again, for me, and I think a lot of people, unless people, you know, who are
very much, uh, like knowledgeable about it and keeping their eye on the story.
To me, Myanmar has been this thing where it's like, okay, there was a coup.
Uh, and, and since then there has been a civil war and things have become very
terrible and I get drips and drabs to either like weird videos on Twitter.
When you see some of like the, the gorilla fighting or other just.
And occasionally you'll see things about the workers in Myanmar being like a huge
force for change and other many, all kinds of stories, but I guess to take it from.
The earthquake.
Can you kind of just paint a picture of how destabilizing the Civil War
has begun to begin with and now adding on top of that a catastrophic earthquake and
what that means for the people living there?
Yeah, for sure.
I like to conceptualize it in terms of a revolution, not a Civil War.
Okay, good.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
That's a way I don't like reporting it because what happened right there was a coup in 2021
where effectively like it's not a direct one for one, but you can imagine like what if
the US military supported the J6 thing and then they stuck the landing on that, right?
Like an election happened.
The election was not what I would call free and fair.
Like there were problems with the election, but it was broadly the best election that Myanmar has had. Myanmar was moving towards a sort of neoliberal-pacted
democracy and that democracy had some deep issues, as we can see in the Rohingya genocide,
which we're going to circle back to. But what happened was that the military seized power,
it arrested most of the members of the National League for Democracy, which was the preeminent neoliberal party in Myanmar.
And it began to rule like in a military hunter kind of way, right?
People went out into the streets when I fucked that, no, like we're not having this because
Myanmar has had military dictatorships for most of its independent history, right?
And every generation, there's this uprising for democracy and every
time they get killed in the streets.
So they came out, like a lot of people in this country came out in 2020, right?
They came out with signs at first and then the cops tear gassed them.
So they came out with like hard hats and gas masks, which they learned
about from folks in Hong Kong.
And then they got shot with rubber bullets.
So they came out with shields and then they got shot with real bullets.
And they, at that point decided that that like they weren't going to be another generation that died in the streets. So they went to the mountains. And in the mountains, there are ethnic resistance organizations.
There are more than 50 different ethnic groups in Myanmar.
Many of them have been fighting against the majority ethnic group, the Burmaese who dominate government and have done since 1948 when the UK left or Britain
left in the traditionally like the Burmese government and by extension, the
Burmese military had used like a divide and rule strategy, just the way that
other empires do right being like, Oh, you young Burmese people can't be
friends with the Karen because the Karen fucking hate you and will kill you and they're like savage wild mountain people.
I'm using heavy air quotes there for people who can't see me on this podcast.
But these young folks were like, well, fuck it, the military is pretty savage, they're
killing my friends.
They went to the mountains and they of course found that these folks were perfectly accepting
to them and that they shared a common enemy. Right. Since then, they've formed units called PDFs, People's Defense Forces, which are mainly
composed of young people from the cities and they fight alongside the ethnic revolutionary
organizations. And they've been fighting the military since 2021. So we're four years into
the revolution. More than half the country is now is liberated's liberated, right? It's considered like to be controlled by the
EROs or the PDFs. My friend, Robert Evans and I have done a couple of podcasts here, we went
over in 2022 to meet some young people. One of the biggest issues they faced was they didn't have
any guns to fight back, right? So they totally all sold all their shit to try and buy guns,
but guns are very expensive there. It's not like here. And so what they started doing was 3D printing guns,
using just like $200 3D printers.
And the way we came across this story was I found a guy on Reddit,
who was in the gun 3D printing subreddit, posting pictures.
And I was like, you're not in America.
Like those pictures aren't in America.
So I DM the guy and I was like,
hey man, you might maybe be in Myanmar.
Like, can I come hang out?
And, uh, you know, we chatted for a while and then it kind of worked out
roughly the area they were.
And I went over and we visited them and we talked to them about like what it was
like to kind of, they had no support from anyone, right?
Like all the governments of the world, the UN, the US, the EU, all these places
where we talk about democracy, like they didn't do shit when people were being killed in the streets.
On the 25th of April, Armed Forces Day, 115 people were killed in a single day at a protest.
Unarmed, right? Not aggressive, not that it matters, they shouldn't be killed anyway.
But that was kind of the big changing point for people when they realized that like if they needed
to fight back, they needed to fight back with guns and the world wasn't going to give them to them.
But some people on Reddit did.
And so they, they went into the jungle with their 3D printers and set up
these print farms in the jungle.
And they started out with printed guns.
Those guns allowed them to acquire better guns.
And they fundraised, the way they fundraise is fascinating too.
They have these huge telegram channels for the revolution, right?
And they use pay-per-click adverts.
So they do YouTube videos or write stories with pay-per-click adverts in them.
And then direct like 10,000, 100,000 people to go to the article and then click the advert.
And so they generate revenue.
Holy shit.
Yeah.
Oh, just like gaming. paid media for their revolutionary coffee.
Yeah, selling mud coffee is like, well, I'm helping the Myanmar revolution.
It's like the most gen-Z revolution. And, and it's, yeah, I mean, I think that just thinking about how things got this way
and just like watching, like in preparation for this watching like a quick little explainer
and realizing, yeah, that the international community has been, despite a lot of cries
from the UN, kind of a zero on this.
And there's been no coordinated response, unlike the response to, you know, Russia during the invasion of Ukraine,
you know, and on and on. It's like that Myanmar has largely been left to its own devices and China
and Russia are actually fueling the, obviously the military side of it. And so they've got plenty of
weapons there. And what's crazy, let's also learn about like the history is that the
the the army has representation in Parliament like yeah seats which is just
fucking like any kind of like you know any kind of country trying to be a
democracy like that's wild that's so terrifying. Yeah and like for years the
US kind of boosted this kind of Ag san su chi, like we're transitioning
to democracy.
It's going to be the next growth economy in Asia.
They called them tiger economies for a while.
And the US really didn't demand inclusion for those different ethnic groups, right?
But they stood up and fought for it themselves.
And I think in a sense, like, don't get me wrong, it fucking sucks how many people have
died. Some of those people are people I really cared about and it was really hard to
lose them.
And like the revolution has been hard for a lot of people, right?
Like four years at war is not a joke.
Like some of these people, you know, they're 19, 20 now, they were 16 years old
when they started seeing people die every day.
And that shouldn't happen to anyone.
But like, because they haven't had so much of this, like his aid from the United
States, his aid from the European Union, and then you will have a nice neoliberal
democracy afterwards, like they've done it themselves and they found their own
way and like that gives me a lot of hope because like nobody came to help them.
Right.
They did it all by themselves and they built something really beautiful as a
result that like, isn't, you know, I'm sure there's someone on twitter.com
who thinks it's a fucking color revolution, but those people are dumb.
Like these people entirely from their own refusal to be like under the
boot heel of the state have created this beautiful revolution that's
liberated half the country.
And in the process they've like, so to give an example, right,
the Rohingya genocide happened in Myanmar.
And it happened largely because Facebook doesn't have any content moderation in
Burmese, and that allowed for horrific Islamophobic lies to spread through the
hunters botnet for a large part, right?
They have a huge network of bots.
You can see them in the replies to my tweets.
This happened less than a decade ago, right?
And Islamophobia was like, and there's a massively like Buddhist nationalist movement in Myanmar,
which draws inspiration from groups of English Defense League, like right wing anti-immigrant
groups.
And this was pretty much the population with some notable exceptions from the anarchists,
the punk movement and other groups who were opposed to genocide, let it happen, right?
Now this earthquake that happened in Sagang on Friday, right, 7.7 earthquake, it happened
during Friday prayers the day before Eid, right? Eid being the festival at the end of
Ramadan, people aren't familiar. It's kind of like church at Easter for Christians, right? So, a lot of people are in mosques. Now, because the country has fundamentally
sort of aligned Buddhism with being Burmese for decades, mosques haven't been allowed to build or
repair their structures since 1962. So, all the fucking mosques fell down during Friday prayers. And like, this is horrific. It would have been
inconceivable five years ago for 23 year old Burmese Buddhist people to be like, hey man,
this happened during Friday prayers and all the mosques have been destroyed. And like,
what can we do to help the Muslim community in these places? How can we reach out to solidarity
groups from Muslim communities around the world? Like that would never have happened five years ago, right?
And like that they've built that solidarity now.
And just from like sharing experiences, right?
And realizing that there's a lot more that unites them than divides them.
You know, likewise.
So that's happening now.
That's a conversation in the wake of the Rohingya, obviously genocide, the Muslim minority and the fallout and the junta turning people against them.
That now when this happens and these mosques are, you know, disproportionately so many Muslims have been killed that like there's solidarity now because of the revolution and what it has built.
Yeah, because they began, they were the same, they were attacked by the Hunter the same way that the Muslim people were, right?
And they saw the Hunter doing the same shit and they realized like, this is how
the state operates, it turns us against each other so we don't turn against it.
And like, not, not, there are resistance groups, which are still Islamophobic
and will still like, like there's been, there have been serious problems with
killing of Rohingya people. And then the Hunter has tried serious problems with the killing of Rohingya people.
And then the hunter has tried to turn co-op the Rohingya people.
Like, it's absolutely insane that the people who did the genocide have now got
Rohingya people fighting alongside them.
Some of those people are forcibly conscripted, but some of them are not.
So like that there are still definite issues, but yeah, to have young Burmese
folks like messaging me concerned
about Muslim people.
This has happened, it isn't just a Muslim Buddhist thing, right?
You'll see it with, for instance, women fighting on the front line now, which would have been
inconceivable five or six years ago, right?
One of my friends told me a story that I like to repeat where in Burmese culture, it's really
a taboo for men to walk under a woman's garments, I guess.
They would lose their masculine energy if they did that.
They felt like drawing across the street, how people drive their clothes.
Oh, I was like, how would you walk under someone's skirt?
It sounds like you're violating it.
They just force you.
You're doing the limbo underneath someone's skirt?
What's happening?
Yeah.
I'm playing on a skateboard.
Yeah, important context missing. It's taboo to do the limbo on someone's skirt, I think in most places.
So it's like walking under a ladder, seven years bad luck, but if you walk under a clothesline with panties...
Your nuts are gone.
Yeah, it immediately leaves all your macho energy. So they had a barricade, right, and they had set
some tires on fire and they're trying to stop the cops coming
in, but the cops are still coming in.
And then they were like, Oh shit, what about this taboo thing?
I sort of girls like whipped off their shit, put it on the washing
line, right?
And the cops didn't come in.
Use their own homophobia and misogyny against them.
Yeah, totally.
And like for like, you know, 20 year old guys, I don't generally like,
like, great at this, but like, to have like 20 year old guys being like, and that's how
sexism hurts everyone is like, yeah.
That's why I want to sorry, Miles, I'm sure you I just like wanted to ask because like the
headline I woke up to today was that the government has bombed the areas that were
affected by the earthquake.
So can you just explain how since the earthquake the war hasn't stopped?
And how is that turning people against them possibly?
Yeah, so the PDF, which is the mainly Burma sort of revolutionary forces,
they're slightly distinct in their command structure from the ethnic
revolutionary organizations and there is something called a
national unity government which was formed of the people who were elected
and then deposed by the coup, right? Not everyone is fighting necessarily to
install the NUG, but NUG and the PDF declared a ceasefire for two weeks
after the earthquake.
Some of them even offered to go into junta-controlled territory to help, a risk to their own lives, right?
Because they were fighting each other?
They were, no, the NUG and the PDF and the EROs are fighting against the junta.
Right, but they were like, we won't, we'll stop.
Yeah, yeah, they're like, oh, we won't bring our weapons, we want to come help. That was denied.
They, so what the junta has done in response is continue to bomb civilian
targets, right, which is something that it has done since the coup began.
It's because they get their ass handed to them in like small arms combat, right?
Like if they're fighting, if two groups of soldiers are fighting, the
Hunter soldiers are conscripts.
Their weapons are absolutely shipped here.
Like I've never seen worse maintained weapons, but they, they just rely heavily on drones,
artillery and airstrikes, right?
And they've continually asterisked civilian targets.
They asterisked Kareni Christians during Christmas celebrations, right?
They asterisked Kachin civilians during a Kachin music festival.
Like, they, like they, they are on like a sad regime level shit, but the world
just doesn't report on it. Like, or it doesn't get reported on as much. So yeah, they did continue
a striking even when so it looked like in the day of the earthquake like that afternoon. I don't know
if their runways were damaged. It seems like maybe not because they've been doing regular airstrikes
since they used fucking paramotors. Yeah.
I saw you post about that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like to drop bombs.
Like they couldn't take a break, like a half day on bombing civilians.
They continue to keep bombing shit.
And now they're demanding international aid, right?
Like, I think we need to be really careful that what they will do is hoard that aid.
They will use it against the revolution.
And they did this with Cyclone Nargis in 2008, right?
They have declined.
They won't let certain aid come in.
They didn't let a Taiwanese rescue team enter.
They'll let Chinese, they'll let Russian.
Right.
I think that's an Indian group.
Vietnamese, they're fucking down with North Korea sometimes.
I don't think North Korea will be sending help.
But like, they get weapons from North Korea, they'll let those people
come in, but they wouldn't let other international aid come in.
And they did this with Nargis, a US warship that sat off the coast.
And they were like, no, we don't want the stuff that you have.
And so like, they will continue to use this as an opportunity.
They don't care how many civilians for dying.
It will be very hard for you to get accurate numbers on how many civilians have died. A, because they
don't care, and B, because they don't want to look bad. They don't want to put that out
there.
Are there estimates? I mean, are there entities that do estimates of the toll, death toll?
Yeah. I saw the US Geological Survey had said that a quake of that magnitude and that location
would result in between 10 and 100,000 deaths, which is obviously a pretty big number.
We can expect to see the death toll go up.
I've heard from people in, everyone's still sleeping outside in lots of places because
of aftershocks.
People have left their neighborhood because of the smell of rotting bodies in the collapsed
buildings, right?
And they've been trying to get people out themselves, right?
Pulling stones off.
The National Unity Government and the PDF have a large number of elephants that they
liberated from the hunters' timber camps.
So they've been...
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, I love that.
Wait, you didn't mention that.
Freed elephants.
I love this.
They have an elephant unit.
They have like an elephant...
Yes. Yeah. I'm hoping to They have like an elephant caviar.
I'm hoping to go and spend some time with them.
I feel like it's one of the last chances in human history for someone to ride an elephant
to war.
Right.
You've got to do that.
Put it on their resume.
But also, of course, the elephants are like a symbol of Burma and they were being mistreated
by the hunter, right?
And they didn't want them to fall into the black market.
So they liberated these elephants. And they're living with the PLA now, which is one of these
resistance groups.
But yeah, they use the elephants to clear the rubble.
They've used whatever vehicles they have, but they desperately need international support
and the Junta is not going to let them get it.
And as a result, way more people will die than need to die.
Plus you combine that with fucking we've cut USAID now, right?
Yes.
18 case officers, I believe got laid off the day of the earthquake.
Like the, I know the world food program already scaled back operations in Myanmar because of this, like, and globally there's kind of a reduction in
funding for humanitarian aid, right?
So that's, it's like a double whammy.
I know that like when they shut down USAID funding, you know, when Elon Musk and his
little kids went into the USAID and shut it down, like, I'm aware that they literally
turned off life support machines in some refugee camps and aware of women having to give birth
outside of like locked clinics.
Jesus Christ.
Yeah, it's, it's a lot of Burmese refugees end up living just across the border in Thailand and USAID
has, and this is wrong, like it's instituted itself kind of as the only provider in some
of those cases, or it's like one of the main ways to get medical care.
So when it pulled out, it leaves people really in a shit situation.
Well, let's take another quick break.
I have a couple of, and also a bit of
Optimism to offer I think James because you do you do see the that there is something inspiring about everything that's happening
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And we're back. Bill Burr, he has been getting a lot of attention recently
because he's, you know, says funny shit and is mean to Elon Musk and hates billionaires.
So that that's kind of getting people's attention.
But recently he was at this Kennedy Center event
where Conan O'Brien was getting like the Mark Twain Prize.
And these journalists really tried to like do this thing
where they wanted to kind of poke the beehive
and try and get like a quote out of them
and maybe some news.
And Bill Burr, I mean, credit to him,
he knew exactly what the fuck was going on.
And it just, this is just, I just want to play this exchange
because it's very interesting to see how like the media was going
to try and get a little bit more sort of stuff that they like try
and maybe paint his words or his worldview as being like, I mean,
look at, look at what he said.
He's crazy.
He's off the mark.
He said, Elon Musk is a laminated face with hair plugs.
Cunt!
That's so terrible.
So here is Bill Burr on the red carpet just trying to support Conan O'Brien and he gets
hit with, hey man, what about Luigi Mangione?
What's your reaction to Luigi Mangione?
Is reading up, you know, that perhaps you've been supportive of what he did?
What is your take on that?
If you were reading up, I don't think you read up on it.
Because I said what I felt about it, and I said what a lot of people said.
Some people took it that way.
So could you clarify what you think about it?
No, I'm not going to just have some controversial moment
so you can get clicks.
I'm not doing that.
I'm here for Conan.
I'm not doing all of this.
What are you going to bring up next, through the Middle East?
I went to summer school, three out of four years in high school.
I'm not qualified to talk about this I was just gonna read right now.
What do you think about global warming?
You said about Elon that he was ruining Earth I saw on the view. You're critical of him
What do you think of all the boycotts like even the violence that's going on at Tesla?
I don't watch the news. I have no idea what's going on. I watch Instagram. I watch people wipe out on motorcycles
I watch lions and hyenas fight each other. This is the things that I do and I don't think you should be asking a comedian
Your journal meetings are on top of current events. You're it. No. No, that's that's weak. That's you guys passing the buck
Hmm, you guys need to have balls again, which you don't you guys always goes should we be thinking this?
Present stuff like that. You guys
just have balls. You need to get your balls back. And it's not my job. I am a dancing
clown.
God, he's so real for that. Like, I respect that so much. Because like I just mentioned
earlier, that like so many people look at comedians as like the prophets of today's
age as like having a perspective that surely no one else can. But they're trying to catch them up with that.
Because he's straying away from the right wing version of that where like Joe Rogan
sits down, all right, today we will learn about how vaccines are killing everyone.
Right.
And people clap like seals.
Right.
Exactly.
And I think it's funny too, all the comments, this is a clip from Twitter,
like the comments underneath are a mix of people like,
there's my king and other people like, dude, he's compromised.
Or like-
You had that page, the Twitter page up,
I saw that reply that said something about like,
oh, he might not be a George Carlin fan.
It's like, I'm sorry, not to be like a George Carlin lover,
but one of George Carlin's most famous bits was about how he was ready
and excited for the destruction of the entire world.
George Carlin would be loving the era we live in right now.
He would be going out being like, thank God, thank God these capitalist pigs are
destroying everything.
And like going mask off for everyone to see it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It is.
Yeah.
I mean, Bill Burr continues to, to, to,
to say that shit. It's funny to just see like, again, how just merely again, his, cause what
he's saying isn't necessarily like novel in the sense like no one has said these things, but it's
that he's connecting his sense of outrage and his sort of comedic perspective on how absurd and
obscene the inequality is around us and our lack of ability to contend with any of it
and the absurdity or like the capitulation of media,
et cetera, just, he's like, just brings it all together
for a lot of people like, yeah, that's right.
That's, this is, this is something.
So we will see, I feel like the Democrats are gonna be like,
do we, do we get Bill Burr to run?
But no, he would never, he would never do that.
He would never do it.
No, but I'm saying when you think about how lazy the thinking is,
I saw something where they're like,
Adam 22 needs to be the new Joe Rogan of the left.
I was like, okay, wow, we're really just thick.
Again, the lesson for Democrats after this election was,
we need to find a podcaster.
That was like, it's not.
I'm honored that they think that.
Yeah, yeah.
And you should be too.
Right, but it's, but I'm like, no motherfuckers,
you need to blow up the status quo
and stand for something in opposition to the status quo
because that's the thing that people are fucking responding
to, not a podcaster, you absolute buffoons.
But again, they're here to maintain that.
So anyway, let's move on.
I asked everybody, gave a little homework
to Caitlin in June.
I said, look, we got a movie trailer I wanna talk about
for the film, Primitive War.
The trailer just dropped for it.
And we have to, look, let me first give people
the log line about this. I know up top, I teased a non war about
dinosaurs. This is the logline or the paragraph they use to
describe this film quote, set in Vietnam in 1968. What a big
year for just set this in the Vietnam War. The primitive war
movie will follow a search and rescue team known as vulture
squad set to an isolated jungle valley to reveal the fate of a missing green beret platoon as they hunt through the
primordial depths of the valley and the casualties mount the Vulture Squad
members must embrace their savage instincts to survive the horrors they
face. Interesting. Including the ultimate apex predators. Americans. Oh wait no,
dinosaurs. Okay. So that's really convenient that yeah dinosaurs were the
the true villains of this war. Isn't that that was the first So that's really convenient that dinosaurs were the, the, the true
villains of that.
That was the first thing that struck me.
So we all watched the trailer and I was like, this is a weird reframing of a, such
a bad conflict that is so on its face backwards and just unjustifiable.
But then they're like, but then they got, then they got fucked up by the
dinosaurs, so then maybe we're back on their sides.
Um, who is that? It's not even just like a reframing of entirely what happened. But then they got fucked up by the dinosaurs. So then they were back on their sides.
And it's not even just like a reframing of entirely what happened. Of course, it's like fictional and all of that. But I still love at the end of the day that the true victims of this war were
not the people that the Americans invaded, but the Americans. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. They're
the victims. They were destroyed by the dinosaurs. Not the Hmong people or the people of Laos
where tons and tons of munitions were just dropped
like a fucking drop, like a bomb drop off
on their way back from doing bombing runs.
No, no, no, it's these Ameri...
It's Jeremy Piven with a bad Southern accent.
Kaitlyn, what's your take on seeing this mashup
of Tigerland and Jurassic Park?
Thank you so much for asking.
This is my time to shine as a thought leader.
Yes, thought leader and film expert.
Yes.
And a master degree have her in cinema.
It seems to me as though someone watched.
I love this wind up.
It seems to me as though.
I'm excited to be there.
I'm an intellectual. Yeah, yeah, no, for sure, for sure. An academic, if you will.
It feels like someone watched Godzilla Minus One and was like, great movie.
Got the complete rocker chance.
And they're like, okay, that, but like, let's change it a little bit.
It'll be the Vietnam War instead of like, you know, World War II, it'll be dinosaurs instead of Godzilla, you know, American-ify it.
Right, right, right.
And then it's, and then they made that.
And you know, I, A-plus filmmaking, I think.
Yeah.
The shot with the knife in the velociraptor's eye, like, I can't lie, that's kind of sad.
That was gangster. Yeah. I'm, I'm that it's so fucking wacky that I'm like,
I kind of, I might check it out. I might check it out. It's like the perfect
slop pure. Yeah. And a lot of unadulterated beautiful slop. Yeah.
It's actually, I didn't realize this is based on existing IP. There's a book
that came up. It's based on a book that the director options.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But apparently, so this is being released in July,
which not coincidentally is also when Universal is putting out Jurassic World Rebirth.
So look, we might have a Barbenheimer summer with,
I don't know, I mean, they always try to make this happen.
I don't know how we match these two, but.
What's it called?
Primitive war, world war, world war of the world's Jurassic Jurassic
war of the primitive worlds.
2025, the year of the dinosaur.
Yes.
Let's yes, exactly.
Let's put it, let's yeah.
Okay.
Let's run that by Hollywood because we do have their number
And we'll just see what they think but yeah, this is gonna be this is like they're calling it a mockbuster
I hadn't heard that before. I haven't either. What is that? I've did Caitlin to have you heard this term before?
No, but I see where it's going. Yeah, cuz they're like clearly they're not trying to say
This is like we saw the
production quality, it's less than big budget studio, but they're doing horrible.
No, they're like B movie slop.
Right, because they are getting like, like they're using a lot of visual effects techniques
like this sort of VFX studio, like how they did for a lot of Disney shows where it's all
projected behind them.
Like, clearly, you can tell there's a lot of blue screen
and stuff like that.
But yeah, this mock buster sort of thing is interesting
because then I clicked on another article
about how this is kind of like becoming
like a burgeoning sort of like lane
where people are like lending,
like people from Star Wars worked on another movie
this director did that had Ken Jeong in it
that I had never heard of before.
It was called, it's it's called occupation rainfall.
Never heard of it, but like it only costs like $16 million to make.
And then it like, it made money back from it, even though no one really heard about
it. And like, you were like, Oh, this is an interesting lane where you can kind of
turn a profit without spending all your money at trying to do all this big budget shit.
Did it get a theatrical release in the US?
I don't know where.
Did they export it to overseas?
It must be on streaming or some shit.
You know what I mean?
I have no idea.
But apparently people watch it.
And Temera Morrison is in it, who plays Jango Fett and was Boba Fett in all the Star Wars
shit. But anyway,
Is the Mach Buster like a natural evolution of like the early 2000s to like early 2010s
era of like weird parody films where they were like kind of not super serious.
Everyone knew they weren't super serious, but they were still like taken seriously as
movies.
Is this like the next era of that?
Is that like what it kind of is saying?
Yeah. seriously as movies? Is this like the next era of that? Is that like what it kind of is saying?
Yeah, I think it's basically sort of like this kind of gave way to like the B movie
also, like that we're sort of informed by blockbuster films that then they're just going
to draft off of and then be like, hey, what about this kind of thing? So someone who recently
rewatched cinematic masterpiece snakes on a plane? Plane. Yes, yes, yes, go on.
I feel like there's some correlation there.
Yeah, oh, absolutely, absolutely.
Because there's also other ones,
like there was a Mrs. Doubtfire sort of send up
that was called Wanted Perfect Father.
Yeah.
And also- yeah. Then have you heard of Tatainic?
No.
Wait, no.
Tell me, is this a Titanic?
These films are from the Philippines that are using,
there's like a Filipino version.
That's where the Mrs. Doubtfire,
Perfect Wanted Perfect Father came from.
And then there's a Titanic parody also from the Philippines.
And they also have Bobo Cop, a parody of Robo Cop.
Wait, how do you spell the Titanic one?
I need to watch this immediately.
I can't believe I didn't know about it.
T-A-T-A-Y-N-I-C. It's not even hyperlinked in the Wikipedia article,
but I'm sure we can ask Brian, the editor,
who has found many obscure films for us
that we've tried to watch to locate this one for us too.
Kailin, the way your face just immediately
went to your computer from like, I must find this now.
What is this?
I thought, because there are so many bad,
either like knockoff kind of Titanic sequel,
because there's Titanic 2, there's Titanic 666, there's a bunch of animated movies that
came out in the late 90s.
They're like Italian or something?
Yeah, there's like, Legend of Titanic is one of them, and then I think that sequel.
Is that the one with like the mouse?
The mouse, yeah.
I saw that in high school, and I was blown away. Like one of my Titans. Is that the one with the mouse? The mouse, yeah. I saw that in high school and I was blown away.
One of my friends was like, you got to check this shit out.
It's one of the most astonishingly bad, but good because it's so bad movie you could ever
watch.
So of course you remember Tentacles, the giant octopus who, not to spoil Legend of
Titanic listeners, but here's what happens.
Hold on, hold on, hold on. I do owe a debt of responsibility to the listener. This is a spoiler
alert, just so you know, if you need to skip ahead, skip ahead two minutes so you don't ruin. What is
this, Titanic 2? Legend of Titanic, the animated feature from I think 1998. It is a story in which, I mean, lots of stuff happens. It's
a rich text.
It's very packed.
It's a rich text.
But the climax is basically Titanic strikes the iceberg, it breaks in half, all the classic
stuff. But there's an enormous octopus named Tentacles, and he uses his tentacles to put the Titanic back together,
and he saves everyone.
It's a very positive film. If I remember correctly,
there's a wonderful music sequence.
It's like a film for everyone,
basically, is what you're trying to say.
Exactly.
Wow. Fantastic. I know we've just blown you away.
I, where can I find that? Where do I watch that?
YouTube.com.
Oh, it's a YouTube? Oh, shit.
I'm pretty sure it's still there.
That's why I watched it.
I'm having that. Those are the best.
The best movies, though, for real, are fully on YouTube.
It's not a good movie unless the whole thing
is on YouTube without ads.
That's not true.
Or it's like broken up into 16 clips.
That's fine because I was like earlier back in the day when you had to string together.
There's like a 10-minute time limit on YouTube. Remember that?
Yeah.
Oh my God. Yeah.
Not anymore.
Not when I just now listen to What Is Love,
the 10-hour loop version.
Kids these days, they don't understand how hard consuming video was.
No, no, now shit's just popping up on their servers
or whatever the fuck they're using these days.
It's on your damn phone in your dang little pocket.
You can pull that up.
It's everywhere.
Anytime.
Spoiled privilege.
Speaking as a gen alpha child, me, myself. yeah, I guess I didn't really know what it
was like.
Canonically Gen Alpha, yes.
Yeah.
In my head, Ken, and you are Gen Alpha.
Yes, thank you, thank you.
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