The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 380 (Best of 5/5/25-5/9/25)

Episode Date: May 11, 2025

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You're listening to an iHeart podcast. I found out I was related to the guy that I was dating. I don't feel emotions correctly. I collect my roommates toenails and fingernails. Those were some callers from my call in podcast, Therapy Gecko. It's a show where I take phone calls from anonymous strangers as a fake gecko therapist and try to learn a little bit about their lives. I know that's a weird concept,

but I promise it's very interesting. Check it out for yourself by searching for Therapy Gecko on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I want you to ask yourself right now, how am I actually doing? Because it's a question that we rarely ask ourselves. All of May is actually Mental Health Awareness Month,

and on the psychology of your 20s, we are taking a vulnerable look at why mental health is so hard to talk about. Prepare for our conversations to go deep. I spent the majority of my teenage years, my 20s, just feeling absolutely terrified. I had a panic attack on a conference call. Knowing that she had six months to live,

I was no longer pretending that this was my best friend. So this Mental Health Awareness Month, take that extra bit of care of your wellbeing. Listen to the psychology of your 20s on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My husband has a secret son from a past partner. Hold up, Sam, how do we know how we've done the DNA test?

Well, John, luckily it's Mother May I Have a DNA Test Week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. And this wife writes, My husband received a Facebook message from a woman saying that he is the father of a five year old. At first he didn't remember her, but then he realized they had a one night stand right before we started dating.

Wait, but do we have proof he's the dad? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of the On Purpose podcast, and I'm excited for my next episode with Khloe Kardashian.

God, I've been through so many things that at this point I would rather not feel than feel because feeling is too much for me to handle. I am Khloe Kardashian. Khloe Kardashian everybody. Khloe Kardashian. No one understands how it's, I'm not just a TV show. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever

you get your podcasts. Hello the internet and welcome to this episode of the Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laugh stravaganza. So without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. We have somebody with us today, Miles, who I think will help us shed a little bit of light on this subject.

A writer, cartoonist, podcaster, former roboticist who has written books like, We Have No Idea, Guide to the Unknown Universe. His new podcast, Science Stuff, is answering fascinating questions every episode, like is hypnotism real? Do our pets lie to us? I've been saying this for years. Yeah, I know. That bird is a liar.

That bird is having fun up there. That's fun. Do you really have to wait 30 minutes to go swimming, which is going to be my first question for him? Our Dear Death Experience is real. It's a great list and we're thrilled to have him back. Please welcome back to the show Jorge Chong. Hello, hello, friends. Hello, dailies or what do you call your audience? Zikings. Zikings. Zikings.

My babies. What's up, Zikings? Daily Zikings. They call them the status quies, actually. Oh. All right. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Don't try to slip that by him just because he's a scientist.

Miles tried to pluralize status quo as status quie and then what was the other one? Status quie. Yeah. Yeah. It's like the stati quotes. Oh, wait. Is that it? You're a scientist. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. attorney general style. That's the other, I love things like that. Yep. Yep. Yep. Well, great. Uh, Jorge, we're thrilled to have you back. Uh, can you just do, do you really have to wait 30 minutes to go swimming? Cause I, I have on multiple times in my life, not waited and been fine, I think, but maybe I'll die in my fifties from it from like stocking up. It's like, stop like a sleep debt that you've built up.

It's like too much time swimming after just 15 minutes after eating. No, yeah. We've all been there. You're a kid. You want to go back in the pool. It's hot. You want to play with your friends, but some adult is telling you, you can't do it. Yeah, you have to wait 30 minutes.

And for me, this was kind of personal because my aunt was a doctor and she would take us swimming all the time. She'd be like, no, you have to wait 30 minutes after eating. And so in this episode, I really wanted to know the answer. Yeah. Which is apparently, uh, you don't have to wait 30 minutes after eating to go swimming, but you probably should. Okay.

Yeah. Or I probably should, but you don't want to die. Yeah. You're not going to die. You're not going to get cramps. Cramps are not related to what you actually cramps are related to what you don't eat. Like if you don't eat enough electrolytes or sugars, they think maybe that's one cause for cramps, which is super interesting to me that scientists don't know what causes

cramps. Yeah. It's like, we think they're making it up. We don't know. Yeah. It seems like it's one of those, uh, a public health policy question, like where it's like, I mean, you could probably get away with it on your own, but like as a public pool policy, if you don't want people throwing up in your pool or, you know, cramping in a giant pool, then like, it's probably a good policy to have for a whole ass public pool, you know? Yeah.

Yeah. It's probably a good policy to have for a whole ass public pool, you know, cramping in a giant pool, then like, it's probably a good policy to have for a whole ass public pool, you know? Yeah, yeah. It's probably just recommended. Just because, you know, you're, you're kind of flat when you're swimming, so your stomach kind of gets turned around. Oh, yeah.

It's like the zero gravity stuff that happens in space. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And also like, your body just needs time to digest, you know? Right. Right. Right. Hard disagree on that one. I don't know. Yeah. I've taken a bite of pizza and then immediately done a cannonball.

With the pizza in your mouth. I probably have done that. Yeah. I come up still chewing it. It comes a little soggy, but, you know, there are sacrifices to be made. When I was exhaling as I dove in the water, a lot of marinara came out of my nose. Whatever, it is what it is. God, what kind of pizza was that?

Jesus, so much marinara. Marinara piece. And then you got kicked out of the pool. It's a tomato pie, yeah. What is something from your search history that is revealing? Last night, I was in ketamine therapy. I'm in the recliner, and I'm on the high dose now.

Like, sadly, the way I calm myself down when the drug is first coming on is I fucking look at my phone, which is so sad. It's like holding my little mommy. You know, I look at Instagram and I'm like, I must still be alive. Yes. It's fucking horrific. For people for listeners who haven't listened to the last episode, ketamine therapy is this is actual ketamine

therapy, like with medical staff delivering it to you at a clinic. Yeah, not sitting on a pile of old tires like in a yard. Yeah. So I have chronic depression. I've had I've had chronic depression, you know, ever since my ceramics teacher said I looked like a 50-year-old character actor when I was in eighth grade. And I started, well, I started taking Zoloft

at some point in the 90s, and then I was still drinking. So I don't know what it was doing, but I was trying to have it both ways. You know, I was like, I can drink. And also I'm like to have it both ways. I was like, I can drink and also, I'm like the doctors are always like, you can't do both. I was like, watch me, I'm a special. Oh yeah.

You haven't met this 50-year-old character actor. That's all I'm going to save for the rest of the show, only joke. Anyway, Zoloft sucks and as I've gotten older, the biggest thing it does is it cuts your sex drive down, which is not a and as I've gotten older, like it really, I mean, the biggest thing it does is it cuts your sex drive down and which is not a big deal when you're 28, but when you're 56, it starts to be pretty annoying. And it might explain why I've been writing all these poems. I'm like, are you a poet or do you need supplements?

Right. So I think, you know, whoever that guy was who hung around the pond all the time had low T. Ralph Waldo. Wait, was that, who is it? I can't, I always get them confused. Thoreau? Thoreau? Thoreau?

Yeah. You can't make any money being obsessed with ponds these days. I'll tell you that. Yeah. Um, so, uh, I started talking to a therapist again about trying to get off Zoloft. And, um, I just, they all kind of have the same, you either kind of can take them and you don't have serious side effects, even though I've never met anybody who didn't. Right.

Have, have side effects, but they allege that there are some people who don't, I don't know, I hope I'm glad for them, but I always get side effects, whether it's nerves, like if I take well, butrin,ege that there are some people who don't, I don't know. I hope I'm glad for them, but I always get side effects, whether it's nerves. Like if I take well, butrin, I go completely. They always recommend well, butrin. Like when I say I want to get off the loft and I think I've used this, you guys, I've been talking about on my own podcast, so I might overlap, but you know, the time I took well, butrin in LA and I was like feeling like every time I take well,

butrin, the weird energy I get from it, which is actually anxiety and kind of mania, I start to think I'm like getting better for the first like month. But I was in the car, like driving on the two, and I was like, I realized that I was listening to Pink Floyd, the final cut, really loud, and drinking of a Noah latte.

Neither of things I do. You just told him to in the body of somebody who likes vanilla latte. I just once in a lifetime yourself. I do not listen to the Pink Floyd song, possible pass on a sunny day in LA normally. You may find yourself sipping a vanilla latte. Exactly. This is employed on the tube.

And that's when you finally say, enough Wellbutrin, and you go back on Zoloft, sadly. So anyway, I started taking ketamine. I mean, I went through a whole bunch of stuff. The brand of the drug is Spravato, which I don't know if I told you guys last time, which I think is so funny. And I think we've spent a-

Spravato is what Ketamine is called? Spravato in the, in the nasal spray form that I'm doing it. I do it Mondays and Wednesdays. And I've done about probably about 15, no, maybe 12 or 15 of them at this point. And I do think it's helping. So I'm going to make fun of it because I think I talked about it last show where, where it's just like, kind of like doing Ketamine and Jiffy Lube or something. Like it's like the people who help you, you know, like they're just low paid people.

Like it's a venture capital model for every business, including ketamine treatments. So, you know, you're not going to have shuffled through. Yeah. Yeah. You just have these sort of like well-intentioned, but low paid people trying to help you, you know, and they also shuffle everybody through, they shuffle people through every job there. So at this point I've held hands with like just about everybody in the building while

I thought I was dying, you know, like, you know, I saw, you know, like you see the guy in the parking lot blowing leaves and he's like, you doing better, man? I'm on leaves today. They got me on leaves today. Remember when you told me about my, your childhood for, uh, while you were peaking. So it's kind of like tripping with strangers and, um, which is odd, but I have gotten to be able to get through it, but okay. So I'm in this office park and you're kind of stoned on ketamine.

So like, you have the same kind of thoughts, like, like office park. I started thinking about that term, you know, for awhile. And I was just like, what the fuck? for a while and I was like what the fuck Like even that I was like, yeah, I think I'm having a bad trip off It's only only kind of parks America believes in is that you know, like yes fucking You know, I mean like office park was enough for me to write top three parks number one I'm using the park water park I'm using the park to water park. Number three, I was hoping this is only three good parts.

So yes, I was like, I was already like, because it's like they give you the nasal spray, you take three of them, one and then wait five minutes. Then you have another. And that was the dose I did the first couple of times. And I still freaked out, but I have managed to calm myself down and let myself get through it. And it's not easy. And I think that's helping because I realized how

wound up I am. And did I tell you I found a Johns Hopkins ketamine playlist? Did I tell you that time last time? No, but that makes sense. I mean, Johns Hopkins is like at the forefront of medical research and I think they do a lot of stuff for now, for now. Oh yeah. So that's what I said to the, also I talk politics when I get like high. So it's like everybody in there is like, oh God, this guy's like, here we go. Here we go.

Yeah. He's gonna talk about the fucking darkest shit when we go in there. Let's not go in there. I pressed the panic button and they're like, I'm not going in. No, you go in. I don't want to hear about Irish history from a guy From a guy who says he's dying. Um, because I did that one

time I talked about Irish history for a really long time. He's a guy and he was like, okay, I gotta, I gotta go check on other patients. Are you, I don't think you're dying probably because you're talking a lot. So I don't even remember what I'm talking about. Wait, so what did you just, you just Googled office park? No. So I was like, this is what happened. I'm looking at my Instagram on Ketamine, and I'm taking the full dose now and I'm managing it and I'm feeling pretty good about it. But it does help me to look at my phone to just keep me from freaking out. And then I listen to music too. And I did look up some one of the doctors did say, hey, do you listen to anything while you're doing this?

And I said, no, I think it'll freak me out. But I was imagining listening to like Bob Dylan or something. And she was like, no. Charles Manson's early shit. There are Spravato playlists. There are ketamine playlists on Spotify. So that made it feel like I wasn't gonna die because I was like, they can't be making playlists

for something that kills you, I don't think. Right, right, right. And Johns Hopkins, even though Johns Hopkins is probably completely defunded and run by, you know, Kellyanne Conway now, it still made me feel better that it was a Johns Hopkins playlist. I was like, they can't be making playlists for people to get killed by. So, but then that made me think of a million, that made me think of all kinds of jokes. Like I accidentally listened to the Wells Fargo playlist.

What, what is the, what's, is there anything surprising on there? Here we go. Oh no, no, it's just a bunch of flute music. You know, like wood flutes and stuff. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, you remember Sam fear, the magic flute guy? Nope. They used to advertise his stuff on, on the 80s, 90s? 90s.

Zamfear was a guy who was a big celebrity on 90s late night TV because they sold his wooden flute music before you could get like, you know, mood music on your phone. So my friend sends me this on Instagram while I'm on Ketamine. And it's a tweet. This is that vanishingly rare occasion when someone says fun fact and then tells you something that is just insanely fun And and what he sent me was this WhatsApp that someone retweeted and it says fun fact for the day Karl Marx's great-great-grandson has a parkour YouTube channel called exclamation marks Wow, and that's real.

Yeah, so I was, well, I wanted to find out if it was real. So I wrote, here's exactly what I wrote to my friend. I'm on ketamine. I'm already like pretty upset about the term office park to show you where I'm at. Like really upset. Like this is unacceptable. Like that kind of upset.

And then I said, no fucking way, please hold. And then I went and looked. I said, no fucking way, please hold. And then I went and looked. I said, the world is bonkers. I'm in a recliner on Ketamine right now in a quote, office park. And I just watched Karl Marx's great grandson do parkour. And someone commented, the floor is capitalism. Oh, wow. This cannot be real

And then I wrote and yet dot dot dot yeah here we are so that's it that's my that's my Social media. I mean that's that was absolutely the fact that I watched Karl Marx's great-grandson DuParcour means that We're we don't live in a simulation. We're absolutely fucked. I don't think the simulation could come up with that. That's too weird. That's too much. Mo, what is something you think's underrated? Oh, non-lucrative hobbies.

Non-lucrative hobbies. Love it. Yeah. Huge underrated. There was an injured baby hummingbird in my backyard last week. And this, I texted this woman who like runs a hummingbird sanctuary and she happened to have a woman who volunteers for her that was near my apartment. And it was like, I go to her place and it's her hobby. She has a full-time job, but she just like rehabilitates little hummingbirds in her house. And it's not like she's doing it on the Gram she's not doing it she just really enjoys it it was awesome

how is she coming across that all right sorry my brain just went to like a dark place where it's like she's injuring those fucking hummingbirds oh and munchausens by yeah yeah yeah how do you find so many injured hummingbirds can i tell you i mean they're the little guy is a little barreling through the air, like a snitch, you know? I'm just like, I love hummingbirds. I notice hummingbirds, and I've never seen an injured one. But I mean, you found one, so there you go.

My mind went straight to the hummingbird version of a World War I battle hospital. So a little hummingbird crutch under one arm, and a teeny tiny Hummingbird cigarette out of the end of the back. Oh, of course. Yeah. Flashbacks. Aw.

I love Hummingbirds so much. They're so, they just seem to be little like droplets of like something operating at a different like time-space continuum than the rest of us. It's just like, that thing is moving like a fucking UFO. There's no way that makes sense. They're so remarkable. And then you look at the weight of their little barrel chests

and you go, how? Yeah. Yeah. Why are you so proud with your little barrel chest there, sir? This little one, can I talk about pride? This little one, it was like a baby. It had fallen from its nest.

And the way it looked at me when I was like holding it, it was like, hey, let me down. This is humiliating. And it was like, they're so proud. It was crazy. Let me at him. He wasn't so tall. Oh, you think you're so cool.

What? It really was. How big is the baby Hummingbird? Like, fingertips? Like, bizarrely, it was like about this big. Oh my God. Like maybe an inch around. Yeah, inch around. Wow.

I love this. That is amazing. And I do think we need to bury ourselves in non-lucrative hobbies. I've been talking about the trends in mundane, like people doing mundane shit just for the sake of doing mundane stuff on like TikTok and like the video I keep coming back to is like these people who made chocolate chip cookies with but like without using their hands they just used the uh trash

grabber things and that's see this is dumb middle school shit that rules exactly it's just like that I feel like we need that right now just like any cut off from any ideological content and just like the stuff that people used to do and like when they stuffed themselves into fucking phone booths and like sat on flag poles for days at a time. My friends and I, it was before the garage door opener sensor was it, we'd try and roll under it like Yadina Jones. Oh, hell yeah. It's so dangerous, but it was was the best we spent hours just trying to roll under it I broke my friends garage door that way when I was five you're sort of talking about what you want is like if there was a way to make

a fraternity that was not wildly misogynist exactly yeah yeah I just think there are like some things that we can take from them like Just pick around the misogyny, you know, yeah There's like eat around delicious little bites in there that you can take those bites are 16 goldfish. They make you Still that don't still mean take old fish, but I bet like some non mean stuff real quick Just speaking of chocolate chip cookies. I just want to tell you guys about a product that I had recently. I visited my sister in Atlanta and she had cinnamon chips, which was, I mean, ultimately it was cocoa butter, sugar and cinnamon, but they were the best thing I've ever had in a pancake. Holy fuck.

Oh, pancake. Yeah. That was really good. Can I tell you, I'm actually huge on a cinnamon chip because to me it is the epitome of a 90s coffee house is a cinnamon chip scone. Yeah. Did you, I had never heard of, is this a thing that you knew about?

I was shocked to see this. It's been forgotten. It's like all a butterscotch. It's been, but it was like, I think all the Barnes and Nobles Starbucks still have cinnamon chip scones. Okay. But it's not popular and it's good. It's really good. Fuck. I think all the Barnes and Nobles, Starbucks still have cinnamon chips cones. Oh, okay.

But it's not popular and it's good. It's really good. Fuck. It is mostly cocoa oil or palm oil or whatever, but whatever. No problem. What is something, Moe, that you think is overrated? Keeping in touch. I hate it.

Your mouth to God's ears. I am so bad at this. I hate it too. It's also so overrated because to me, texting, keeping in touch, there isn't depth to it. And so it kind of feels like a performance. I'm like, what's up? You doing good? Okay, well, let's get in touch.

I go, I love you. You love me. I'll see you when I see you. If you need me, reach out. I'll reach out if I need you. The whole keeping it. No, I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it Like a good, you know leave leave it for like an annual nice Conversation as opposed to a hey just checking in All right good like you already know what you want the answer to be as you're checking in and you want it to be short.

And it's specific, it's not like emotional check. It's specifically the check-ins because you feel like you should because you care about that person. So you're giving that signal and it's like, no, cut them out. They know you love them. They should know. If they love you, they would know.

Okay, I love it. We're getting a little toxic. I love this. Actually, it's your fault that I don't check in on you. My core group of friends from high school, I believe four of us have birthdays a week apart. And by the time it's time to text the fourth person, it's very tiresome because I am out of shit to say. And we have already talked three times. He's been dealing with this since he was 14. That's so funny. Yeah, last dude on the

block is like, I already said happy birthday to you early twice. Get the fuck out of here. All right, let's take a quick break. We'll come back, we'll talk about real IDs. I found out I was related to the guy that I was dating. I don't feel emotions correctly. I am talking to a felon right now, and I cannot decide if I like him or not. Those were some callers from my call-in podcast, Therapy Gecko. It's a show where I take real phone calls

from anonymous strangers all over the world as a fake Gecko therapist and try to dig into their brains and learn a little bit about their lives I know that's a weird concept, but I promise it's pretty interesting if you give it a shot matter of fact Here's a few more examples of the kinds of calls we get on this show I live with my boyfriend and I I found his pizjar in our apartment. I collect my roommates' toenails and fingernails. I have very overbearing parents. Even at the age of 29,

they won't let me move out of their house. So if you want an excuse to get out of your own head and see what's going on in someone else's head, search for Therapy Gecko on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's the one with the green guy on it. head search for therapy gecko on the iHeart radio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts it's the one with the green guy on it hey my name is Jay Shetty and I'm the host of on purpose and I'm excited for my next episode with Chloe Kardashian God I've been through so many things that

at this point I would rather not feel than feel because feeling is too much for me to handle. All right we're ready. I am Chloe Kardashian. Chloe Kardashian everybody. Chloe Kardashian. No one understands how it's I'm not just a TV show. There would be times that I was like I don't even want to go out to the grocery store because I feel like I know what they're thinking about me and that was scary to me because I feel like I know what they're thinking about me. And that was scary to me because I've never been in a dark place for that long. You've always taken care of others.

Have you discovered anything about why you've seen yourself take on that role in so many relationships in your life? How do you even find the courage to trust again? Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This week on Dear Chelsea with me, Chelsea Handler, Connie Britton is here.

I think you should encourage your friend to go ahead and not be holding out for any man to have her babies. If she is passionate about becoming a mother and she has her eggs frozen and she has her life together, go for it. She could be waiting another 10 years before she finds the right guy. Connie didn't meet her right guy until you were what, 50, Connie?

How long have you guys been together? Yeah, no, 52. 52. I adopted my son as a single mom because I kept thinking, oh, I'm going to meet the guy, I'm going to meet the guy, I'm going to meet the guy. I finally was like, what am I waiting for? And I did it. And I'm just so glad that I did.

I want to change the narrative about single parents and also help to create a community for single parents so that they can not feel alone in it. One of the big things is it's so hard, especially for women, to ask for help. Listen to Dear Chelsea on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My husband has a secret son from a past partner.

Hold up, Sam, how do we know how we've done the DNA test? Well, John, luckily it's Mother May I Have a DNA Test Week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. And this wife writes, my husband received a Facebook message from a woman saying that he is the father of a five-year-old. Whoa!

At first, he didn't remember her, but then he realized they had a one-night stand right before we started dating. Wait, but do we have proof he's the dad? Well, the author says there's no confirmation the kid is even his son, but the woman from Facebook has a meeting with her lawyer soon.

I think she's going after our money. If the kid is actually my husband's, she would be entitled to it too. So what's the husband gotta say about this? This could be his kid. Well, apparently he broke down in the middle of the living room apologizing, but this is what scared me.

His first instinct, if the kid is his son, is to pay the child support, but not be an active father in the kid's life because he only wants a family with me, his wife. Oh, this is a mess. To hear the explosive finale, follow OK Storytime in the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back.

We're back. We're back. God, we're so back. So back. Maybe we're back to 1955. The Birdman Alcatraz is there. The biggest creeps in America are locked up on the rock. But yeah, Trump made just another asinine announcement that probably won't happen because it's so stupid and unrealistic. But anyway, here it goes.

He wants to reopen Alcatraz, the federal penitentiary that closed in 1963 on Sunday night on truth he announced quote rebuild and open Alcatraz for too long America has been plagued by vicious violent and repeat criminal offenders the dregs of society who will never contribute anything other than misery and suffering. When we were a more serious nation in times past, we did not hesitate to lock up the most dangerous criminals and keep them far away from anyone they could harm.

That's the way it's supposed to be. No longer will we tolerate these- Right outside of San Francisco. Yeah, exactly. No longer will we tolerate these serial offenders who spread filth, bloodshed and mayhem. Now he's like, I am now ordering the Department of Justice, Bureau of prisons to reopen and substantially enlarge and rebuild Alcatraz to house America's most ruthless and violent offenders.

Um, enlarge an island? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. He's got some rocks and shit. I feel I feel like there's some Freudian context there. Make it bigger. I feel like it's... A lot bigger. ... bigger and like the girth of the island should be big and it should go higher up. It should be longer than it should be girthy. Yes. That's my big...

The hands of justice need to be bigger. That's right. Right, exactly. Yeah, truly. And everyone's like, what the fuck is he talking about? Large and large. Why are you looking at your lap, sir? Have you all ever been to Alcatraz? Oh yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Right. Fourth grade. Yeah. But it's, it's like, it's not in good shape, right? No, it's fucking crump. I remember we were, I remember being bummed out as a kid because it was so fucked up

looking like I thought you'd be like, Oh shit, bro, I'll get you because I went before the rock came out. And you know, you just had all these like ideas of you're like, Oh, man, like the people get eaten by sharks who try and get off. It's like it's all and then it's just like the most run down federal concrete prison you've ever seen. Yeah, it's like stuff dripping graffiti on the wall. Exactly. That's how we'll show them that they suck. Maybe. Yeah.

Drippy walls. I was going to say it's going to cost a lot of money to upgrade, but maybe the point is not to upgrade it. We have a lot of money now that nobody is spending any money on toys because we can't get them anymore. We're not living in a $30 economy anymore. But I mean, again, you're like, what prompted this? Just from reading that text, it sounds like it makes some frustration at judges for enforcing the constitution and being like, yeah, do process is at a

minimum here, sir. What the fuck are you thinking? And like, you can't just, you do press people. I'm not going to do the process. You do press. Okay. That's fine. And you can say that, sir the process. I'm not going to do the process. You do. Okay. That's fine. And you can say that sir, but the, my order still stands.

Um, you cannot just disappear people to El Salvador. Like this is some kind of fucking like, you heard about the like terrifying prisons in El Salvador is like, we need one of those, let's go one of those going up here by comparison that it makes Alcatraz look good, I think. Maybe. Right. Yeah, maybe. I mean, but I think, you know, like the other part is like the polls are shifting

in all the wrong directions still. Like there's another poll, like more polls came out. Yeah. Like it's all going down. It's, he's losing his grip on reality and his base. And I think, especially with the economy and immigration being like, he's scoring particularly low marks, I think reminding people that they live in some kind of fucked up combination between Thunderdome and the rock, like he's hoping to like

get people back in their, back in touch with their cruel side again, because he was like, when we were more serious, we didn't hesitate to lock up the most, like, you know, he's, he's clearly trying to evoke that. And I guess using the thought of Alcatraz to get people excited. But again, this is like something that most people don't even remember operating and more people remember the rock, the movie. Yeah. Like he's aware of like the average of what everybody thinks, you know,

like I just feel like he's tapped into like whatever version of reality was on television in the 1970s. And like that's what he's drawing on. And so like the rock is most famous prison. And he's like, and it's, they say it's impossible to escape because the water is full of sharks. And it's like, meanwhile, if you're like paying attention now, like they, people, they do do recreational swims out to the rock and back. It's a thing that people do for fun. Maybe he's going to repose Nicolas Cage, be our next national security.

I think later on, he said, and now I am calling on Brigadier General Francis X Hummel to be in charge. Someone told him that was Ed Harris's character in the rock. And from kind of terrible violent outbursts when he said, I want general Hummel now. But yeah, like to your point, Jack, it does feel like someone left TNT on the TV on all weekend near Trump and he may be caught an hour of the rock, but it turns out someone on blue sky may have an even more accurate prediction here as to what happened. Someone said last night on WPBT in Palm Beach, they broadcast the 1979

Clint Eastwood film Escape from Alcatraz. Oh my god. Trump was in Palm Beach that night. Oh yeah. Beach that night. Oh, yeah That's Never far from the television So That's definitely what this definitely this is a good one. They say no one could escape Not even we could have distractions, right? Like, you know the pull like you said the pulls are shifting in the wrong direction for him people are starting to get all this bad news So he's like, what can I say that will get people to talk about something else?

Yeah. Yeah. It's like funny because it's like, that's his instinct and he doesn't even realize like, oh, that's actually pretty good. Now they're not talking about all the ways the economy is falling apart and how shipments have declined and all these other myriad of problems. Uh, but also he gets to say a pretend thing that feels really nice in his brain. I mean, like everything he like thinks up has some direct connection to pop culture or film,

because a he can't read. So no new ideas are entering his brain like that. But then also like you, you couple that up with the fact that like, you know, remember, he's like obsessed with the gold in Fort Knox too? Yeah. He just, it's truly like a just icon based view of the world where there's like one famous prison, one famous like bank or like gold vault. And it's like, you know, it also the stuff that was around and popular in the seventies when he was like coming of age, you know?

Wasn't there a Nicholas Cage movie about Fort Knox? Maybe? The Constitution also, he loves to talk about the Constitution. Nicolas Cage did steal the Constitution. Also at the end of The Rock, they claim to see how JFK was killed, if you remember, on that microfilm. He is obsessed with that.

Wow. Some could argue that he became president just so he could find out. Give me Nicholas Cage. Maybe that's why he has the, because I think he has the copy of the constitution or maybe it's the declaration of, he has one of those seminal founding documents in his office. Yeah, behind his desk. Yeah. And he's like, look, it's pretty cool.

Nicholas Cage won't be able to get his little fucking Coppola hands on it. You know he's a nepo baby, right? He'd shit Nicholas Cage. His whole career is just him saying. He's obsessed with him being a Coppola too. Just like a weird fact. He's like, he's not, that's not his real last name.

It's Francis Ford Coppola's nephew. RFK Jr., how are we going to approach the face-off question? I want to take his face and put it on mine. Which is funny. Maybe Trump could ask his friend secretary brain worm why his daddy shut the place down in 1962 when RFK was the attorney general. Big mistake. Because again, people don't realize like why Alcatraz shut down.

It cost way too much to operate since it was on a fucking island and everything. There wasn't even fresh water. It's all about theatrics. Yeah. Yeah. They had to bring tankers of like million gallons a time just to like replenish the fresh water supply on Alcatraz. It was also falling apart to the point where they're like, it's just going to get easier to escape. Like people are literally just like scraping away at the wall and swimming away. Like this isn't, this isn't going to work.

And also it can only, it could only hold 336 inmates. Is that real? Yes. Definitely worth whatever billion dollar project that he's going to be putting together to try. Yeah. They're saying like a half billion will probably do. And you can only put people who don't know how to swim because otherwise. Right. Exactly.

Yeah, yeah. Exactly. I mean, and it's basically like shark-infested water, which like we now know, like sharks don't want to eat us. So like you just don't get eaten by a shark. It's pretty easy to just swim across the thing and not get eaten by a shark. Or you could just keep the prisoners fed and then they can't swim until after 30 minutes. Exactly. You don't want to swim after that. You just ate.

You can't, but you shouldn't eat. We feed them every 30 minutes to prevent them from swimming away. Oh, okay. We're combining all kinds of myths now, aren't we? It feels like the next thing he's going to attack is quicksand. He's going to be like, we need to end quicksand in the United States. Like it feels like it's on that same level of like what a child in the 1970s thought was like cool and scary and a big deal. And lava, lava also.

Yeah. I was wrong about the border wall. We actually need to have a border of quicksand. There we go. No one will be able to pass. That's my new idea. I'm surprised again, like he's at this rate, he should be talking about storming area 51 pretty soon.

Oh yeah. Unless that's too old. But he has the keys, doesn't he have the keys to it? I think he just hasn't seen a movie. I think he needs, someone needs to show him independence day so he can realize what kind of treasures they got locked up in there. Just checked out this new movie, Independence Day so he can realize what kind of treasures they got locked up in there. Just checked out this new movie Independence Day. All right.

Let's talk, let's talk AI real quick, because this is something that I think ties into some of the hypnotism stuff that you cover in your hypnotism episode. But basically I always remark on like how our modern technology seems designed to rob us of free will and how it's somewhat depressing when you look around and just everybody's glued to their phone just like on a college campus or in a cafeteria. Just nobody's looking at each other or interacting. Everybody's just- At my dining table every night? Yeah, like 15, oh no. Like 15 years ago, if you just like transported somebody to this point, they'd be like, well, this looks like a fucking dystopia. Like everybody's just glued to their phone.

Yeah, it's like the beginning of Shaun of the Dead. Right. Yeah. Kind of likening our phones used to zombieism. Yeah. So when, on last week's episode with Dr. Carrie McInerney, you, you had asked like, is this AI going to be used to fuck with us and more specifically like market to us? Right.

Because we're giving it all kinds of information about like what we, like what we want, how we want it, how to get there, how we even problem solve. It's so much more specific than like, I spent 10 minutes on this website. It's more like this person wants to figure out how they can increase their vertical jump by the age of 40.

And now you know a lot about me and what my beliefs are on my physical ability. And I could probably be marketed supplements or something like that. And it knows how you talk and therefore it knows how to talk back to you, which I guess is actually very, uh, successful or very important factor when it comes to like teaching people, like how, how to manipulate people is basically like if you can talk to them using some of the same kind of language and like, it's

like mirror field of ideas that they have. And yeah, like these are the things that they're excited about. The, a lot of the people who work in AI, like, so Dr. Kerry like reached back out and was like, Hey, you should check these articles out. Like that was a really good question. And the articles are terrifying. One is like a MIT like long academic paper that Jorge, you'd probably be better at deciphering than I would.

But this Forbes article is interesting because it kind of presents it as like, here's an exciting new thing. Yeah. As they put it, doing their best to hide their boner. AI assistants could start manipulating you into making decisions and then selling your plans to the highest bidder before you've even consciously made your mind up. AI agents from chatbot assistants to digital tutors and girlfriends,

could exploit the access that they have to our psychological and behavioral data and manipulate our responses by mimicking personalities and anticipating desired responses. The fact that they even have the word manipulate. It's like the fusing of like all of these technologies that I think the social media like feeds and like the algorithms that they use, I think people just like took them at face value of like, it's going to show me pictures that I want to see.

And people weren't like, and they're working with the people who designed addictive gambling games to like figure out how to make it so that you never want to stop and like can't stop looking or interacting with the thing. So it's troubling and it's like there's all sorts of really sophisticated ways that they're, you know, manipulating or convincing or doing all these things. I'm just curious, Jorge, kind of as a former roboticist and somebody who's, you know, recently done deep dives into things like hypnotism and stuff like that. Like, how do you think about this sort of thing?

Yeah. Well, I think it kind of goes back to even the 1990s. What made Google so revolutionary and special was that it was a good search engine, but it was good at giving you ads that it thought that you wanted to see. Right. And so I think part of us is humans kind of want that, you know, like we don't want to be shown as for things we don't would never buy or never want to see. Right. We want to be shown as it kind of help us.

And in fact, if you look at researching to like happiness, like what makes people happy, at some point, like having too many choices in your life makes you unhappy. Right. Yeah. So in a way, like we kind of need help a little bit, just helping us make decisions and something that maybe helps you narrow your choices down can make you a little bit happier. But as you said, humans have a long history of manipulating others using whatever tools are available to manipulate others. Yeah, you can definitely imagine that being used to influence what you buy, what you're into.

What I learned from hypnotism, looking into hypnotism for one of our episodes was, and I actually got hypnotized in the episodes. We can talk a little bit about that if you'd like. Are you still under, by the way, right now? Yeah, yeah. I'm still hopping on one leg. That's why you agreedized in the episodes. We can talk a little bit about that if you'd like. Are you still under by the way? Right now? Yeah, yeah. I'm still hopping on one leg. That's why you agreed to do the show. I'm still hopping on one leg. Is that at the end of the day, you have a subconscious, then people can mess with,

people can try to influence, but at the end of the day, it's still your choice on things. You're the one who's clicking on things, You're the one who's clicking on things. You're the one who's making all of these options. And so yeah, there's totally the potential to influence people in a bad way, in a good way, but hopefully people still exercise their free will. Yeah, or understand, I think at the very least, people need to understand that their free will

is under attack. I think that's the difference, is that there's a lot of these passive ways that seemingly are like, well, that's crazy. Instagram knows like what I want to buy. Like every time, like I'm just buying stuff off of there. And I agree. Like there are some times I'm like, oh shit, this is actually something I'm really

interested in and I'm glad I found out about it. Other times I'm like, who do you think I am and why would I want this? Um, but I think understanding how how I think really understanding how the people like from this MIT paper Like this is really chilling right from this MIT paper says quote We survey recent efforts by tech executives to position the capture manipulation and commodification of human intentionality as a lucrative parallel to and Viable extension of the now dominant attention economy, which has bent consumer, civic, and media norms around users' finite attention span since the 1990s.

We call this follow on the intention economy. I'd like to understand, it's like, yes, we have our free will, but also know that there are people that are at these levers that can absolutely have an effect on what we perceive to be like the decisions we're making independently. I think that's the part I think to get in touch with a little more because I think as long as you know that that that's better than like, talking to like one of my older parents who has no dude, my mom showed me this AI slop video. And she's like, Why would this giraffe do this?

I slopped video and she's like, why would this giraffe do this? And I was like, mom, no, like if I felt like I was watching her turn into like a Sith or something, like with her red eyes, like, why would they do this? I'm like, it's bullshit. Let it go. Yeah. But, but the second I told her, like all these things just started, she's like, oh shit, I didn't, she's like, it's the first time I saw anything like this, but

now this makes sense. Cause other people I know will talk about things like this. I think we have to at least have that attention on it to help safeguard. There's definitely like a line, right? Where, you know, if you're paying for an AI to help you, uh, and it actually has your best interest in mind and really wants to give you something that you might like, then I think that can be helpful. But if you, or if they don't tell you that they're also taking money from an

advertiser to try to feed you these things, then that's where it gets, uh, really sketchy or a political campaign or candidate or party. I mean, it's all like, that's the thing is like, as these tools get developed, like very quickly, a fork is in the road where it's like, do you do the thing that you do right by human beings? Or do you do the thing that you have a very lucrative party trick? You can sell companies. There's a, there's a metaphor that a lot of people use that has I've always used because I think without realizing it, it gives me hope and like comfort, which is

like in a few years, people are going to look back on everybody having, kids all having screens and everybody just being on their screens at all times of the day, the way we look back on the 1950s and 60s and everybody smoking. And that, I think, gives me comfort because it's like, yeah, but then we got over that. We realized that that was bad for us and we stopped doing it. In order to make smoking illegal, that was a multi-decade battle where we were like, no, look at these charts. The science is inarguable.

It is literally, there's a smoking gun here. Like this is you are being killed by these cigarettes. And like, even then just the forces of like capital that were behind smoking. We're just like, we're still wait, we're still holding a wait and see position on errand. I just, I don't think we're going to get that smoking gun with phones. Like I think because it's more of a like spiritual thing,

you know, it's more of a phenomenological, like, I don't know, like if you asked yourself 10 years ago, if you showed yourself a video of like what your family dinner looks like today, like where everybody's just on their phones and not looking at each other. There are ads that make fun of the idea of trying to have a family dinner without phones. That's one of the ads that keeps running in the NBA playoffs is people being like, let's just put our phones away real quick and then have a conversation.

And then somebody says something really boring and they're like, okay, back to phones, back to phones. It's a fucking bummer. But I don't think that's going to be enough to make it like a smoking gun where we get rid of the technology. That's a great analogy though with smoking. Maybe we need to start with restaurants. Restaurants need to have a no phone section. A no phone. I feel like that would be trendy, but it would never take over. The surgeon general is never going to be like, you must. The closest it happened where there was this guy,

the sushi chef Nozawa, who if you've heard of the sugar fish restaurant chain, it comes from this guy Nozawa. He started off with a small sushi shop on Ventura Boulevard in the Valley. And when cell phones became a thing because a ton of studio people would go in there, he had a no cell phone pot.

Like he would throw fucking people out mid meal for picking up a phone call. And it became legendary. But then it was like, then very quickly he like gave up. He's like, I can't, I can't battle every single person. He gave up, oh no. Yeah, I mean, because I think once you throw out a few studio executives, probably,

it becomes bad for business. Yeah, exactly. I mean, think about this, phones are going to be, or AI assistants are going to be how all business is conducted. So I'm assuming also will be seen as bad for business to institute laws. Like I just think it's going to be on us to make these decisions to like, you know, live with free will or not. And I think like to the, you know, one of the key takeaways from your

hypnotism episode is like, you can't be hypnotized into doing something you don't want to do, but I also to the, to the point that you just raised, like, I think a lot of people will want the AI assistant to just like, be like, I don't know, man. Uh, I got a lot going on. Like you just take it from here. See, or whatever. Yeah. Show me something that I'm going to, it's going to relax me.

But I think where it gets tricky is kind of the socioeconomical part, right? Like people, people who can afford it will pay for the clean, neutral, nice version of AI, but people who can't afford it will have to, you know, add supported version, add hypnotize, you know, add subliminal messages version because that's what they can afford. Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, it's very I like, I'm also like, from a scientific perspective, do you ever worry about, like, you, you hear a lot about like language hegemony and research and how like the English language dominates a lot of scientific research and as a result, it causes research in other language to languages

to not get as much attention as maybe it could be, or also other people have pointed out that it's like, if everyone thinks in the same language, certain mistakes can happen because you're using, everyone's sort of using the same language, linguistic pathways to arrive at a solution. Whereas like varied forms of languages have different sort of pathways to solve a problem just based on how the language is structured. I wonder too, if like with the proliferation of people using AI more and more, if that is just a now another layer of vulnerability where there's like a version where people aren't giving it the same kind of vetting or analysis as they would because they're

presuming it to be completely correct. And then does that lead to some kind of scientific disaster? Yeah. What is this going to do for like outside the box thinking when you have a thing doing your thinking for you that is just drawing on all previous thought and remixing it. It's like, well, we're not going to have a lot of cool new ideas coming through. Yeah, for sure. You know, for sure, like scientists definitely talk about, you know, having a common language, you know, you kind of need that in order to exchange ideas about science. It's kind of hard to do it through a translator. So a little bit of that is inevitable. But I always take comfort in the fact that

if you ever talk to a scientist or any scientist, their dream is to be like the one person who's contrarian who turns out to be right, one person who's contrarian, who turns out to be right. You know, the person who revolutionized the big short of science, the scientific. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone wants to be the person who upends the field or everyone wants to be the person who proves everyone right. So my feeling is like, hopefully, and this will continue is that science is

kind of set up so that, you know, people are always questioning the assumptions that are being made and the results is that that continues. And they'll be doing that from China. They will not be doing it from the United States. Well, yeah. And I think that also, I definitely agree with that because I feel like the people that have been most vocal about questioning AI have been scientists and researchers. Because they're also just sort of like, well, it does these things fine. Let's really talk about AI.

And I think that's a great point. that have been most vocal about questioning AI have been scientists and researchers because they're also just sort of like, well, it does these things fine. Let's really talk about everything. And yeah, I guess I never think about like, yeah, much in the same. Yeah, people want like that's, that's the high you would chase as a researcher or a scientist is like, do you fucking overlook this thing? Yeah, right, right, right. Maybe we do have something inbuilt there in the sciences that will help. How annoying scientists are.

People say there's three kinds of scientists. The scientist who first poses a question and the scientist who answers the question and then everyone in between who nobody ever remembers. Right. Damn. Damn. Damn. It's pretty cool. Now watch me peel this banana from this end, the tip end.

Have you seen somebody open a banana from the tip end? Yeah. Yeah. I've been the person who thought that was the better way to do it. That's the way to do it? It's actually easier, yeah. Well, there's a trade-off. There is a trade-off, but we can get into it. Wait, hold on. No, I need to know because we're just the way to do it. It's actually easier. Yeah. Well, there's a trade off. There is a trade about we can get into it.

Well, hold on. No, I need to know because we're just talking about contrarians. And I saw somebody's like, let me open this banana for your kid. I said, what the fuck are you doing it from that end? There's a whole banana, right? There's the part that stems that connects to the rest of the plant. Yeah, that's not the tail, right? That you would call the other end the tail for it ends. The bananas. Yeah. Oh, wait. I'm calling it the stem. I open it from the stem end. Yeah. Right. Yeah, that's how I've always done it. But recently, I got shown that trick to of opening it from the

tip end. And it is easier, especially if the banana is not quite ripe, like if it's a little green and it's kind of hard to open it from the step in, then it's a lot easier to just squeeze the tip. And then it just kind of opens up. Oh, also, it changed me when I saw and we're about to this brings us to our next subject after the break. We're seeing a gorilla open a banana where they just break it, snap it in half, and then just like kind of shoot it out. If you're a gorilla, that might be easier. Yeah, if you're a gorilla. They just rip it in half and go for it.

Yeah, you can just break it, and they break pretty easy. I highly recommend it. It's a great feeling. I nearly broke my hands trying to break it in half. Oh no. I'm telling you, these gorillas, bro. You're not in my 100, Miles. You're not in my 100.

Maybe you need more bananas. I'm the guy struggling with a banana. They're like, Miles, hurry up with the banana. We need that as a distraction. I'm like, hey, you need more bananas. I can't bring it in half. Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about the most important scientific question of the day.

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that it was going to go well for them. Despite all evidence that everybody who sides with him ends up getting fucked over. Yeah, at every level. Even the grifters most of the time, unless your last name is Trump. I think Doju is opening up a new social club. That's like half a million ahead to get in. Because again, everything's about access. And so the first hundred days was like this thing. Everyone on the right was talking about how epic the first hundred days

administration would be, despite every metric indicating that it was a total shit show at the fuck factory. And this was a moment for Trump sycophants to lie to his face, as we saw on that cabinet meeting about his greatness and also a great opportunity for outsiders to grift and that's what I see that that cabinet meeting Chris, did you see the cabinet meeting where everybody just sat there trying to be like, I saw the president here, the finest human specimen of president.

All right. I just thought that was what that was like the moment for me, for whatever reason, where we just like entered a new level of surreal fucking, you know, dystopia shit. That's just like, Oh, we're, we are in a movie now. Like, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's quite difficult to, um, live, uh, and, and keep your head on straight, especially with trying to raise kids. And I know people who are taking care of their kids and stuff in the face of all this, because it will pass. I don't know if it'll pass with an ice age.

You have to wait that long. But I mean, this will go away. You know, these people will pass away. They will blow away whatever happens. And then, you know, it's worth hanging in there, but it is worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it.

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It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. age, you have to wait that long. But I mean, this will go away. You know, these people will pass away, they will blow away, whatever happens. And then, you know, it's worth hanging in there. But it is right now. And there was that New Yorker piece, which I wasn't crazy about it. But that one, did you read it? The came out today or yesterday just about like how I've my brain's finally broken. Okay, it was just written. It's great. I, it's great. I, I'm just mad. I'm jealous of anybody who's in the New Yorker, but, uh, you know, it's probably fine. I'm like, she's a pretty good writer.

It's not that good. Oh, she's no advice King. Um, but anyway, so I'm mad at everybody, but, but it's a good article. It's about just a list of like a laundry list of what people deal with on a regular basis of deep fakes and, and just politics and just the endless, endless barrage of bad news. And so you don't even remember what the bad news was or what day it is or what time it is or anything. You just are lost in your fucking phone and in the internet and everybody. Is this is probably peak disorientation for any

human beings ever on earth. I honestly, I think that's true. You know what I mean? There's never been, I mean, you were dealing with one dinosaur or one guy trying to throw us fucking a caveman, you know, I mean, like one guy's trying to hit you with a club and then maybe there's no dinosaurs. I mean, I guess they didn't coexist. I don't know, a cheetah, whatever. He had two things, but you knew they were real. There wasn't like a deep fake Donald Trump don't like a tree. No, no, we're not a world where like half of what you see is fake Yeah, the yeah that says by Gia Tolentino who? Fucking deep fakey jumping a damn waterfall. I like that you're like this damn Gia Tolentino

like this damn Gia Tolentino. I think she's so great. I think you're so fucking good. Chick Mero's all right. Oh, well, you're probably not as upset as me who doesn't work for the New Yorker. Right, right, right. Well, at least you can articulate both of those. That already sets you apart

from 99% of the people out there. But anyway, so this grift, right? Because everyone is now, everyone is susceptible, like you're saying. Two fucking hacks on the right, one guy who works for the Daily Caller, another one who calls herself an activist, they decided to team up and really cash in on the

excitement. The two quote plan to host what they described on the events now deleted website as the official celebration of President Trump's first 100 days at the newly Trumpified Kennedy Center. Tickets for this event went from between $100 and $2,500. Keep that in mind. Invitations promised an unforgettable evening where, quote, luxury meets excitement. And I don't know what that means.

There was also a promise of access to individual guests, members of the Trump administration and members of Congress setting. That's AI generator, right? Luxury meets excitement. I feel like this whole thing feels AI generated. When you do that luxury meets excitement. I don't even know. What's the line of cocaine is what it is.

Yeah. I guess, yeah. Like you wear a ball gown while screaming racial slurs at full volume and do a little blow and you're like, yeah, the height of luxury and luxury. Yeah. Wow. And you can get away with it. Isn't that luxurious?

Unbelievable. So the problems began immediately once Trump announced that a rally in Michigan would be the event that marked the first hundred days. And once that potential big draw just went poof, the Kennedy center canceled the contract with the organizers and it forced the event to move to the equally glamorous, uh, Arlington, Virginia. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I mean, things still good, still pretty good. It's not like geographically not that far from

Washington DC. So it's basically the president's approving DMV. Yeah. You're there. You're there. You're selling access. Things get, this is where things, this is where the details get real fucking spicy. So problems multiplied from there. McMillan, who's one of the organizers, acknowledged that she asked attendees with comps tickets to bring bottles of alcohol to fill out the bar, even though the website promised, quote, premium drinks.

Another organizer himself asked the husband of a photographer who had been hired to shoot the event to bring some alcohol as well. Can everybody just bring alcohol? The man then warned the organizer to call off the party before a fire festival style debacle ensued. Quote, you're charging big money for this thing and people won't be getting what they paid for,

the man wrote according to messages. Later, when the photographer realized she wouldn't be paid to shoot the party, she canceled. The Instagram account under one of the organizer's names subsequently sent a message to the photographer with the line, fuck you, whore. Both organizers deny that he sent the message, but they won't say who did.

Look, it wasn't us. And so who did it? I won't say. Not at Liberty to say we're, we're just as bothered by it as you are, but we can't say who did it and it did come from our account in 2025, denying something means you did it. Yeah. Yeah.

Truly. It's, it is actually just kind of noteworthy that they went through the effort of denying it. Oh yeah. You know, and that's when like,y that they went through the effort of denying it. Oh yeah. You know, and that's when like, so that, but then their defenses of it are what, so okay, the event, the event finally comes and it was off. I mean, was it a success? I guess if you consider the fact that it looked like total shit and people

called the cops on them for not delivering what was promised. Yeah. Uh, one guest said, quote, there was no VIP. There was no red carpet like they promised like when I bought my ticket. We also said we would be quote in the company of high profile guests. I have no idea who those would have been because I didn't see anybody high profile. When asked if she had a different explanation for the ticket packages, right,

because tickets were between like $202,000. Like what explanation for different ticket packages not being what they were advertised, the organizer just said no. The website also mimics the official White House website. This is where the this is where the griff really comes in. And one of the organizers again, this woman was asked, isn't that deceptive to like have this sort of font color scheme? Everything mimic the official White House website where you're

calling it the official 100 days party. She says this is her defense quote, if a color scheme and font needs somebody to believe, although there are words on the website, they'd say exactly who the host is that this must be the White House putting this on. I don't know what to tell that person. Wow. So yeah, real, real, real awesome grifter.

And can you just explain like what was the different? No, no. Okay. I mean, it looked cool. It looked fun, man. I don't know. Like you got to kind of be there. It's one of those things where you got to be there.

Oh, I'm sorry. Or looked tight. I'm sorry. Yeah. This one clip from the dance floor is humiliating. This is from, so the local GOP from the dance floor is humiliating. This is from. So the local GOP outfit in Arlington, Virginia, they started posting shit because they're like, this is a grift.

Beware of these fucking people. Chris, have you ever been to a party that looked this fucking sick? I'm just going to play it from the top. There's like literally eight people on the dance floor. There's a guy with a puppet on the ground. There's a dancing. He's not, this guy's a MAGA hat. He's waving around.

Looks like a total dipshit. This, I don't know. This guy, there's a guy on the ground, I think doing like a triumph type bit because it's, he's like just holding a puppet, but laying down in front of a woman, it's all that's the worst looking party you ever saw in my life. Yeah. And you can't party with, you can't party with a bunch of. I mean, that's the thing is nobody.

It's hard to say, but you know, it's like they've reinvented. They wanted to be the popular kids, you know? So they're like, the only way they can do it is with violence. So that's what they're doing. So they've, they've gotten to the top of the power structure. So now they're the popular brands as far as they're concerned, but enforced popular kiddom, but the kind of trash that they are. Makes it so nobody, they're still not going to have fun because they don't

understand that charmless people have to get their shit together and become. like, I don't know what, you know, do some work on themselves, you know, I know it's a popular thing to say, but someone like Donald Trump Jr. if he wants to have friends that are fun, he's going to have to become a whole different person. You know, the kind of people who are going to come to Donald Trump's party are guaranteed to make him sad because he's expecting it to be like, he really, you know, he hates Robert De Niro, but he would love it if Robert De Niro would come. Like these people are never going to get what they want, which is actually approval from celebrities, like liberal celebrities, and they're never going to get it. So they're stuck with just like another guy who thought violence was a way to get

popular. Yeah. get it. So they're stuck with just like another guy who thought violence was a way to get popular. Yeah, I mean, they all share the thing where every person who like rises up on the like conservative side of things, I mean, and either side, but like really, it's really pronounced with for the right ring, right wingers, especially who just go, No, I can't be that I'm the problem here. Right. It's everything else. It's not me and everything else needs to change. Not like, yeah, I'm gonna rearrange the world. So I have a good time instead of realizing the reason I'm not having a good time is because I probably have a ton of trauma. Yeah. Yeah. A lot I'm working with. Yeah. These motherfuckers

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