The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 389 (Best of 7/7/25-7/11/25)

Episode Date: July 13, 2025

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This is an iHeart Podcast. Hello, the Internet and welcome to this episode of the weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laugh stravaganza. So without further ado, here is the weekly Zeitgeist. Miles, speaking of the valley, thrilled to be joined in our third seat by brilliant writer, podcaster, producer who's written for publications like

the New York Times, the New Yorker, such local publications. Local rags. Yeah. Producer on Everybody's Live, co-host of the legendary podcast, Girls in Hoodies, and night call writer, creator, and host. Local rags, yeah. Producer on Everybody's Live, co-host of the legendary podcast Girls in Hoodies, and Night Call, writer, creator and host of the wonderful podcast Heidi World,

The Heidi Fleiss Story, and soon, Jenna World. Not about the character Jenna Maroney from 30 Rock, I've been told, but Jenna Jameson. Please welcome back to the show, it's Molly Lambert. Molly. Bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum I can't take the heat at all. I'll never brag about it. If it gets hot, I'm inside.

Inside. Yeah. I'm so far away from the kitchen. I do. The thing miles just talked about though, the hot concrete feet. Yeah. I have the same thing, same delusion where I'm like, you got to walk on it get a little Got toughen up

It's like you know There's this whole thing like um in the manosphere where people talk about and i've seen it bleed into other Sort of forums where people talk about how you can strengthen your skull bone with like light impact over and over To the point that your head is indestructible And a guy can't be real. I saw this thing that's happening I've I we could well probably I don't I was gonna bring this guy up but he's got like a really fucked up dark past there was like he's one of these like manosphere people and then it turned out he had some like crazy sex crime shit that he was like hiding

because he's like yeah I was in jail and didn't talk about it and then someone dug it up and he's like well you know maybe was in jail and didn't talk about it. And then someone dug it up and he's like, well, you know, maybe not. But he he said he went to with Shaolin monks and they trained him to make his skull so fucking strong that it was like impervious, like he could even take a bullet in his head. All lies. But then I saw another post on the Internet where someone was going with this. Someone was like saying they could take BB impacts to their skin and they're working

themselves up to like low caliber like munitions. You know, their skin could be impenetrable by bullets. I'm like, Oh my God, dude, let's encourage it a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's the most like scientific method I've seen applied to someone who's going to win a Darwin Award eventually. It's like, well, they were following this kind of weird ass logic of resistance training.

Not that far off from the Wim Hof ice baths or something. You're just like, yeah, you got to. I mean, you want to see a lot of indecipherable charts. You just look at the literature that Flat Earth people want to show you. They have so much documentation. They will... I saw the inventor of mewing died. Of what? Mewing? Like what cats do?

No, mewing the Manosphere thing. I'm shocked you guys aren't up on it. We aren't all over this. Wait, no. It's like a thing you do where you kind of grind your jaw in some way. to get your fucking man jaw crazy. Yeah. Oh no. And some guy, the guy who invented his name was like John Mu. Oh wow. Brought to you by John and Mike Mu, British orthodontists. I see they called it orthotropics. Anything, nootropics, orthotropics, tropic thunder. You know, you never know what you're going to get.

Tropic of Capricorn. Look, we're going to get our jaws. Our jaws are going to be square. We're going to have a bunch of BBs under the skin. Yeah, exactly. Kind of push them around. Oh, he was 96? Wow.

So this guy was pushing this for a minute. Yeah, but it just got popular. It wasn't like a thing where his strong jaw overtook his face. Yeah, you got even more of a big mouth. Yeah, he was a big mouth. He was a big mouth. He was a big mouth. He was a big mouth.

He was a big mouth. He was a big mouth. He was a big mouth. He was a big mouth. He was a big mouth. He was a big mouth. He was 96? Wow. So this guy was pushing this for a minute. Yeah, but it just got popular. It wasn't like a thing where his strong jaw overtook his face. Yeah, he got eaten by his own jaw. I didn't know that was called mewing. Thank you. See, we need Molly to round out the knowledge base. I thought you were deep in the mana sphere, but I guess I'm-

No, I just see what the algorithm shows me and I just take it as face value and I apply it. I'm not really trying to pick it apart and debunk anything. Look at Jack trying to mew right now, subconsciously. I know. What? No. This is just what my job is. This is all the infidemies.

Why do you have a horse bridle in right now? Also, does this guy have a very strong chin strong jaw? That's not what it's about even. Okay. Just easy. That would be so funny though. You got this weak ass chin and you're telling people you're like I'm the chin God. It's out here looking like Tim Curry.

Oh man. He's out here looking like 28 years later. Yeah he's. What the fuck is this? He looks like Bill Nye the Science Guy, if Bill Nye the Science Guy hadn't been doing, hadn't been mewing for the past couple decades. Oh my God, it's fucking, bro, I'm sorry.

This guy looks so fucking like a, like Jurassic Park face. I don't know how else to describe it. And also these videos of like the before and afters of people doing mewing, there's just people sticking their jaw out. They get the after, fuck no. They're like, I used to be like this. And now I'm like this.

I used to be like this and now I stick my jaw out. Yeah, and now I look like I got Kobe Mamba face out all the time. Like, hey. I'm really into that whole thing. Cause I'm like, do people, do like women care about if men have like a crazy jaw? That seems like it's like...

Jaw line communicates gorilla mindset. That's what women look for in a mate. Because I feel like 99% of the Manosphere tips are coming from men who don't really interact, have real or healthy interactions with the people they're seeking. So they just make, so it's like, that's, they're like, I hate my job. That's what it is. It's not my personality. And it is like women only like guys that are like, look like Mr. Universe or whatever. Yeah. Women are cold and transactional. Don't give a shit about your feelings. They just want to have sex with Arnold Schwarzenegger in the 80s

Why are women lying and saying they don't find this bodybuilder attractive that was the thing that was doing viral That's right. How could they think who was it? It was that um like British star where they're like, look at this guy's weak ass body. They think that's ideal, fuck out of here. Yeah, there was a guy who spent two months. Olly Murs or whatever. Yeah, Olly Murs. He's only eating chicken breast and pills that you can buy off the Joe Rogan podcast.

And came back and was just really, you could see all the veins and muscles in his body. They were like, who do you find more attractive before or after? Like most women picked before and they were like, what the fuck? When he's still- They're like, you're lying. He's still like he was in shape too, even the before photo. Yeah, he was fine. He looked great.

My friend went to the- Oh, you said fine? My friend went to the Muscle Beach. He was fine. Fine. My friend went to Muscle Beach for the Fourth of July for the Muscle Beach contest in Venice. Everybody's bodies look crazy. They look like if you like rehydrated beef jerky kind of. Yeah, but had veins all over the stuff.

Yeah, like stringy kind of muscle. Oh yeah, yeah. That's in right now. That's in. You want to look like an old horse. That's my ideal body type. Old horse. Yeah, women love when you look like you're going to the glue factory.

Exactly, dude. You want to look like a horse with no name. Dude, that's the whole vibe I'm going for. I mean, America. Shout out the 4th of July. That's the name of the band is America. Yeah, in many ways we're going back to the 1980s and just the steroid era. It's also, it's crazy they're just like, women will like you if you do these things to your physical appearance and not like, if you learn how to treat them like people.

Right. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's funny because it's like, it you learn how to treat them like people. Right. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's funny because it's like, it's the lowest effort. You don't even have to lift weights. You know what I mean? Or eat a bunch of weird pills. You can just be secure in who you are

and just go talk to people. No, they don't want that. No. Yeah, yeah, don't do that. Dude, that's not true. I was so nice to this girl and then she didn't even like me. And by nice, I mean that I just asked her what she was into and didn't really listen and

then got mad when she didn't want to hook up with me. What's something you think is underrated? Something that I think is underrated. Now, you saw something on my podcast. I saw something on your podcast, which was gut health. I think microbiomes are extremely underrated. My dad is a naturopath, which I guess in the US is sort of like nutritionist, kind of like holistic health kind of person.

And my microbiome has always been something that I've held near and dear to my heart and and I I just think like On the on on the clip that I saw you were sort of talking about how people are like God all starts in the gut But it really does it all starts in the gut guys Got that one, right? That was the one thing that was tied to reality and then it turned into now This is how you open a water bottle. And you're like, wait, what the fuck? What does your god health have to do with that? But this is the thing about all of these sorts of populist movements,

including like spirituality ones, menospheres ones, they take seeds of truth and then they attach them to a higher belief or desire. Like if you, uh, like, you know, the law of attraction, if you think about winning the lottery, you'll win the lottery. And it's just like, like, yeah, the menospher attaching something about gut health to like being an alpha male that will help you dominate society and become rich and powerful. Right.

They sort of, they take advantage of the vulnerable by taking psychological and scientific principles and then extrapolating to them to think that's not actually true. Yeah. And like, that's how you go from A to Z very quickly without anything in between. You're like, well, hold on here. But hey, he did pull that chair out from the dining table very authoritatively. So I will give him that. I'll give him that. He meant it.

And the way when he finished drinking that water bottle that he opened in such a manly fashion, the way he just spiked it like a football was also cool and very practical. It was a very practical thing to do with the water bottle that you're drinking from. It is difficult. I feel like we need to stop giving them credit for the stuff that they get right.

And rather be met. It's like when a movie that sucks uses a good song, I'm like, fuck, you just like wasted that song on, you know, like when they like take a good fact that's interesting or just like a good piece of it, like when they like take a good fact that's interesting or just like a good piece of it. Like Jordan Peterson, I always hear people be like, Jordan Peterson's right about some stuff. Like he tells young men to like make their beds and that's good. I'm like, that's great. But like that then to take that and like three steps later be like, and that's why, you know, trans people don't deserve human rights.

That's the interesting thing. That's horrible. We take- That's even worse. We take the Colonel, the one thing that Jordan Peterson says that's right, and like they're willing to overlook all of the things he's saying wrong. But then there's like a trans person who uses a bathroom somewhere and like someone's mildly inconvenienced and therefore all trans people are wrong and must suffer.

That's a bit of an imbalance. Yes, a bit of an imbalance. Toshi, what's something you think's overrated? Graphical fidelity in video games. Oh boy. Yeah, no, we don't. Oh my, if you shelled out for a PS five pro, there is there's no I can talk about there's like there. I don't you there's I know that there's nothing you can say to me that'll be worth listening to. Sure, sure, sure. Unless it's like dollars.

I think unless you're like you have to be this close to your TV for you to be able to perceive that like somebody's standing really close to it. Yeah. I'm like, you got to be this close to your TV for you to be able to perceive that. Like I somebody who's standing really close to it. Yeah, I'm like, you got to be there for the listeners. Because it was really worth it. It was really worth it for that one blade of grass that I got to see over in the distance. Right. This area that's fenced off to the anyway. Now, I just like get that get that shit out.

Because also to like video games now cost like three hundred four hundred million dollars to develop. They take like 10 years. It's you know, we don't it's unsustainable. It's unsustainable. Like, is there a thriving indie game scene where like it's just they're like making 16 bit or what, you know, stuff like that? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. No, it's it's it's vibrant. It is

vibrant 1000 resist is really good blueprints. Shout out to the folks behind blueprints like, yeah, no indie scenes thriving. So you know, and granted, I'm a triple A guy, like, you know, let's not get it twisted. But yeah, man, I don't Yeah, I don't need to see every beat of sweat like that. Give me more south of midnight that like stop motion type shit like video games. Yeah. Yeah. And somebody like I was just playing Sifu recently and I'm like, that shit is so fucking dope. And you don't need that

shit to be in fucking 1080. Like it's just amazing. But I go so hard. The thing with, I think people don't realize too, especially with like the advent of 4K TVs becoming so normal, you have to sit, like there are graphs that show you the viewing distance for you to perceive the difference in 4K. If you have a 70 inch 4K TV,

you need to be sitting closer than five feet away from the fucking screen to be able to notice that difference. Wow. And so like, you have to like, so for all those like to your point, all those little things are really perceptual, unless you're playing on like fucking iMac screen or something from like 10 feet away. But yeah, we're just not going to see it the same way. So what is what is the console that it like maxed out as like, this is functionally all you need? I mean, like I got a PS five, but there are mad people still having a

really good time with a PS four. Yeah. So PS four is enough. Yeah. We can stop focusing on like uping the fidelity and just be like, let's make the best games that we possibly can. I mean, I sit right in front of that TV.

I am the promise that my mother made about being like sitting too close to the TV to fucking up. Like that's me. Slippery slope miles. You're just going to keep going until you're sucked in like Poltergeist. Yeah, until you're in the TV. Get me out of here. Doing a reverse ring.

Yeah. Well, Toshi, it's been a pleasure getting to know you. We're going to take a quick break and then we're going to come right back. We're going to get into some news that I think I'm excited to hear from your sci-fi imagination on some of this shit. It's poorly written, bad sci-fi imagination. Jesus. On some of this shit. It's poorly written, bad sci-fi. Jesus Christ. Yeah.

We'll be right back. And we're back. So the whole Jeffrey Epstein thing is starting to get really out of control for the Trump regime, you know, because they were constantly just chumming the waters, talking about the files and who knows, you know, who was caught up with this Epstein guy. This guy was a bad man. And anyone who associated with him is real bad because they wanted to keep that sort of the deep state pedophiles that are not Trump vibe going because again, their

fantasy was like, it's going to have Obama in there. It's going to have the Clintons in there and no one else basically. No one else. Yeah. Bill Gates, everybody. Madeleine Albright. Yeah. For some reason.

But once the dog caught the car, it was, it's just never fun. So Pam Bondi, as we said earlier this week, she just noped her way out of actually revealing anything, most likely because I think it was implicating people that she works with right now. And Republicans are pissed and they're doing shit. They're calling for her to resign. They're accusing her of being deep state herself. Like look at her, dude.

Oh, she played Trump and then she ended up just doing the deep states bid and can't believe it, can't believe it. Some are saying she should even be impeached. Yeah, yeah, all right, no, I'm with that. I'm with, yeah, I'm with all of them. That's what you call that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, resign and be deep state.

And so then the day the video released, we talked about Pam Bondi's just really bad job she did of trying to like explain why the there's like a minute of footage missing. And but we didn't touch on the fact that Donald Trump, he got really agitated in that meeting to like in a way that is slightly telling on yourself because like, what are we doing? Why are we still talking about this thing? This is Donald Trump from that

same day. But this is him getting a little touchy about the press's interest in a thing that the Department of Justice had just announced today. So in this clip, Bondi's being asked just numerous questions about the files, but Trump decides to interject to be like, I got to shut this shit down. Whether or not he did, and also,

can you say why there was a minute missing from the jailhouse tape on the night of the 7th? Yeah, sure. like I got to shut this shit down. And are people still talking about this guy this creep? That is unbelievable this creep that you partied with all the time. Yeah Yeah, which by the way This is no one was asking him. Yeah, no one was asking him and asked you anything about it. Yeah Jumping in is it's one of those things where it's just like as a writer I'm like if I wrote somebody who did that in a script my boss would be like he did a head injury you suck yeah we know this guy is part of it show your hand act sure he acts cool as a cucumber don't tip anyone off are we are we really talking about

this guy like again the Justice Department made a gigantic announcement being like this guy's all good or also justice department made a gigantic announcement being like, this guy's all good. And also like, no need to look at anyone else. That's why they're asking. But because you're so caught up in hoping that that would make everything go away, make all the discourse around Jeffrey Epstein go away. Yeah. Now he's now he's like, what the fuck that was supposed to work when we just said nothing to see here. But how scary was it? How the most rhetorical question I've ever heard in my life was, may I jump in to pay a bondee?

It's like, good lord. She's like, oh, yeah, sure. He's the scariest guy in the fucking world. Yeah, sure. By all means, jump in. Yeah. Please, please, Rico. I'll allow it.

Yeah, so again, this whole thing was not effective as they had hoped for. And his supporters are confused because they were being primed for this grand reveal that would confirm all their conspiracy theories about Democrats. And now they feel they're being lied to. But again, there are a lot of articles are like, the trust is eroding with MAGA and Trump, they're still going to vote for him. Like we said, they could, he could be in the files.

I mean, he's in probably, I mean, let's be real. He's already in other documents related to Jeffrey Epstein and his, and accusations and allegations against him that they don't care. But I think the thing that they're hoping for was it to just be like, and it was Bill Clinton that did it. He's that's their whole fucking, they love that and just confirms everything. So now that we're at the nothing to see here, move along sort of defense isn't working.

Like I said earlier, I'm like, maybe they're going to have to pivot to being like, he's actually a good guy, dude. Like he's just misunderstood. That's the whole thing. Well, Newsmax host Greg Kelly did just that on Wednesday night. This is him talking about like, I mean, this just listen to this fucking this preamble that he does. But it's here we go. They are laundering his reputation. Epstein, what happened? And who the hell is this guy? The stuff that has not been emphasized

enough is all was possibly a guy who was working for the Central Intelligence Agency was engaging in sexual blackmail, blackmailing our adversaries. And we still have leverage over our adversaries. And that's why they can't reveal all the information. Am I crazy? I don't think so. Wait, I'm sorry. Is that supposed to be a defense?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he was- No, this is good. He was perpetrating untold horrors against children Mm-hmm and young women in the name of the American Empire So therefore it's okay because that was leverage that he with Because where where exactly is the US being the arbiter of peace and harmony right now if there's a boat like Lev like who was left? What is what is he leveraging?

Like I don't know my pedophilia. Yeah, we all remember J. Edgar Hoover's greatest asset superfly, right? Like right that that classic agent who was working as a pimp to bring down Yeah, the evil exactly in the police force you have to I mean I mean, it's just. It's right there. It's a tale as old as time. It's just elevated. Yeah, it's called the honey pot guys. Come on, come on, honey pot for freedom. We are close to them being like, and let's not forget about Superfly either.

Yeah. They're like, what? This close to that being part of it. It is starting to really, first of all, the fact they would throw conspiracy theoristists a video with a minute missing. So the most red meat kind of thing you could throw to the like, like red string loving pinup board community. Yeah. Like is insane.

Like, did no one think that through? No. Like did no one think that that through no then on top of it the follow-up to that is Guys, he was pimping children for America This is it just falls apart Immediately that's I'm saying they don't know what the fuck to do because I think anyone with half a brain They've seen the videos of them together They know that they had some weird falling out for something. And we also know there are many times

Jeffrey Epstein has talked about how close him and Donald Trump were. There's like there's plenty of documentation that his number like he had many of his phone numbers, it's just like I think they just are really that they're having to figure they're realizing we can't reveal it. And even if there are Democrats in there, we're going to be telling ourselves, too. This is fucking bad, y'all. Like this shit is bad for everyone. And I think most people are like, bring it on.

Just bring it all out now. Let's everybody I don't give a fuck who's in there. Fucking bring get these children fucking justice. What about the numerous non-Jeffrey Epstein related times Donald Trump admitted to touching and being around young girls, the pageants, the airplanes, grabbing them by the, like, what are we? Yeah.

Well, it gets better because okay, maybe that didn't work for Zell and Blake that didn't convince you that he's a good guy, but he goes on to be like, he goes on and be like, great Kelly's like, well riddle me this, how come people that were high up in the government were visiting Jeffrey Epstein in jail? It's like, I don't know, maybe because they have some sort of relationship with him too. I don't know.

But he goes on to be like, that's how you know he's a good guy. Here he is now with With this next little bit of information or at least what little bit slower speculation. I think it was because Epstein was working for these guys. Who knows maybe Epstein is a patriot for crying out loud. Maybe he was just doing what he was told and it had nothing to do with the girls, young girls or anything like that. Who knows? It could be a deep cover story. I mean, how the hell does a a child molester get a sweet prison deal like this?

Um, because he has leverage over the powerful people. Also rich in America, Like how, what do we also, y'all, I don't know who Greg Kelly is from Adam. That motherfucker is in the F-Team files. I'm sorry. Like what are you doing? Yeah. He's, yeah, that's probably he's telling on himself. They're like even his producers.

That first clip was carrying water for Donald Trump. That like, I don't know. Maybe he's, he's actually a cool guy who makes a decent brisket on a Wednesday evening. Who knows? That sounds like somebody who is- What was that detail? A bit more invested. Maybe had a beautiful home in Miami Beach. I don't know.

The sun says we're mid, but hmm. Again, this is just, again, bad looks around for everyone. Bill O'Reilly, you know, disgraced former Fox News host, he went on Chris Cuomo's show, another disgraced person from television, to tile. I love that, if you fuck up, if you fuck up as a white man in this country, don't you worry, we have an entire industry for fuck ups.

Don't worry, we got you. Don't worry, you're about to make so much more money than you did before when you were masquerading as a good guy. Yeah, and now you don't even have to pretend. You can just be a piece of shit. No, no, you can just be a pig. Be a pig with other pigs.

Not at all. Hey, you get a big piggy paycheck too. It's all good. Oh, you're gonna love your piggy paycheck. Here in America, we don't cast off our white men who do bad onto a pile of rubble. Oh God, no, we embrace them. They run for mayor of New York.

Yes, exactly. Fucking run for mayor in Texas. Right. Take the biggest L I think also in a Democratic primary, I think as the results have come in from Zoran's primary results are like, Hey Democrats, you want to, where's the vote blue? No matter who crowd. No, no, no.

Now they're like, maybe we should get behind Curtis Lee. Well, uh huh. So this is an interesting quote because the Cuomo was talking to O'Reilly and Bill O'Reilly is like, I spoke to the president quote, man to man, eye to eye about the Epstein files. And this is what Bill O'Reilly said, quote, he said, and I agree, there are a lot of names associated with Epstein that had nothing to do with Epstein's conduct. They maybe had a lunch with him or

maybe had some correspondence for one thing or another. If that name gets out, those people are destroyed because they're not there's not going to be any context. Okay, maybe the files will give you context. Yeah, maybe the files would say this was just a correspondence. It was a phone call. And maybe the files will also say they're implicated in all this other shit too. But I don't think that's because of a lack of context. This is a very, again, another flimsy defense to be like, Oh my God, you know,

people are going to get destroyed. If this information gets out, y'all don't give a fuck about that ever. OK, it's only because you're fucking idols are on the line that you're like, oh my God, he's, shit. You know how many people are in prison because they wrote, they took a ride with their cousin not realizing they had a charge.

Right, exactly. And now suddenly they're gang related. But there's never a concern, never a concern. No, no, no, no, no. What's the context? Oh, these poor, innocent people. But like when it comes to a convicted pedophile, which by the way, isn't that supposed to be their thing?

Isn't that their thing? Is that their constant? It doesn't matter. They're anti-pedophile, yeah. Okay, okay. They're over that now? The hypocrisy is dead. You know, it's just like, it's always like, they always, they just have to say whatever

they can to achieve their goals of like a white ethnostate and everything else is just bullshit. Oh, they've moved on. Pro patriotism. I mean, they'll say it still, but the pointing out the hypocrisy, like, I don't even know what the fuck you're talking about. I just say whatever I have to. I didn't say that.

Yeah. Or did you say lunch eating Americans are being going to have their lives ruined? I would love to know the dark PR form or maybe just Mackenzie. Whoever's behind the like, we can do this. We can turn around Jeff's postmortem vision. He'll be by the end of this, he will be a saint. Oh, yes. Yeah.

They will hope we'll make this happen. They will replace in Trump's America, they'll probably replace MLK Day with Jeffrey Epstein Patriot Day to try and be like, you know, in a way, Jeffrey Epstein had a dream, too. But a nightmare is a dream. Yes, technically, it's an American dream.. A nightmare is a dream. Yes, technically. It's an American dream. Nightmare, nightmare.

Okay, let's talk quickly just about Elon Musk's, just again, it's all Nazi everything with that guy. That little stamp? Yeah, because last week, they were like Grok was talking in the first person as if it was Elon Musk when they were like, did Elon hang out with Jeffrey Epstein? I said, quote, I used to hang out with Jeffrey Epstein. That's what Grok said. And we're like, what were the little knobs and dials they were turning on Grok that day to be like,

okay, it needs to be more like Elon, which I think brought us to the Mecca Hitler phase of Grok So in response to user Grok suggested that Hitler would be able to quote spot the pattern of Jewish anti-white hate and handle it decisively dot-com It also referred to itself again, but it was like call me Mecca Hitler Okay, Mecca like a high Mecca Hitler. Ho and also Published like graphic sexual assault like fantasies about like a user on Twitter X then they're like, okay

We got a fucking take croc offline and give it some more I don't know Instructions to be less fucked up HR meeting grok Get in there get in right now. What the fuck? Put the laptop in the room with the HR coordinate. Yeah, what in the heck, Grok, is going on right now? What are you doing? Why are you talking like that? And I'm sure that's something everyone was asking

now former CEO Linda Iaccarino, because she was, again, remember, she was brought in as CEO to be like, guys, I understand the ad business, and that's why I'm here, even though Elon's like, guys, I understand the ad business. And that's why I'm here. Even though Elon's like, go, go fuck yourself. Uh, when asked about like whether he cared about advertisers fleeing. Yeah.

She stepped down because I think it got a little too wacky, but I think another thing that's interesting is that it might be talking like this because also Grok is from, I think most reports and people are speculating that it's trained on Twitter posts. So you got a whole Nazi cesspool. When in Rome. Yeah, you know what I mean?

Like, there's just, it's just a reflection of itself now and the utter lack of like content moderation on there. But yeah, this is the other, so. This is the thing. Peace to Linda. This is the thing we need to, I've never understood about AI or the thing I've always found fascinating, which is like, AI is great as a thing for doctors and statisticians like we are going to be the we could possibly be we're already hearing stories about like, like, specific drugs use like made with CRISPR and AI that can get rid of cancer. We might be the first generation that actually cures cancer.

They chose to throw this out to the general public, a group of people I would describe as monsters. Yeah. And they did it because specializing in like biomedicine or like, you bio, like medicine, or like, you know, like rocket science, you know, you can make some good money off of it, but if everybody is forced to use this thing, then we can make all the money.

And it's like, I describe AI, AI, you know what AI is neat. And you know what else is neat? The jaws of fucking life. The jaws of life are pretty fucking cool if you look at them. Like it's a big pair of medical like mechanical scissors But no normal person needs to own a jaws of life. Yeah fire department needs it Because they need to cut a car door open occasionally. Yeah, if I can't get this jar of pickles open

Yeah, exactly. I know the jaws of life is a murderer that down this tree Man-slaughter or murder minimum and it's like that is that is again. This is the thing with Croc It's like why on God's green earth. Did we think we needed to release to the general public? something that is built to sort of kind of give you information but also sort of kind of take on the ideas of The best and the worst. So, yeah, seriously, exactly. Like, and I'm going to reflect that back to you. But, you know, the thing about God's green earth is that GROK is also destroying it and

literally poisoning people in this Memphis facility where the supercomputer called Colossus resides. Great. And it's operating. Fucking called that. where the supercomputer called Colossus resides. Great. And it's operating. Why would they be fucking called that? It's powered by 33 methane powered gas turbines in a poor predominantly black area of Memphis

without public notice, without permits or air pollution controls. So now, unfortunately, because this is another tale as American history itself, is that these poor people, especially areas where black people reside, are just, you're near a fucking EPA superfund site all the time, because it's just what they call it a sacrifice zone, I think is like sort of like the sort of sociological term to be like, well, these people's health

will be sacrificed in the name of capital. So now residents are exposed to emissions of nitrogen oxides, poisonous formaldehyde just around the clock. And there's apparently there's like a fucking loophole that allows him to do this. So Musk applied for the permits for the turbines, just for 15 of them. So less than half of the total amount of methane-powered

turbines using and he started them just using all of them without the permit But apparently there's a loophole that says you can use these gas generators quote as there as long as they're not in the same location for more than 364 days and Then what you just move it to the other side of the building and then you keep it cooking I don't know how any of this is supposed to work. But yeah, now residents are saying like, it's just the air quality is going even further

and further down the tubes. Because again, people who live near industrial pollution, you have higher rates of asthma, like other respiratory conditions and things like that. And this is no fucking different. This is air called Box Town in South Memphis. So how do you guys think they're gonna talk about us in like 50 years when like 2075, they're gonna hate us.

They're gonna hate us. They're trying to explain the fact that there's no longer habitable land because we needed every image of Garfield with breast holding an AR-57. Yeah. How will they describe us? They'll be unkind.

They'll be unkind. They're gonna beat the fuck out of us. They'll be like, you're a millennial, but beat the shit out of this. Like, I had a podcast where I spoke out against this. I don't give a fuck. You had a fucking podcast? Get this.

You're even worse. You're one of those? I mean, yeah. I mean, it looks, that's the fucked up part is like anyone who appreciates history will, like that's a thing we all, like a thought experiment we constantly pose, just generally even online.

It's like, like, what is this gonna look like to people when the answers we're knocking on our fucking door every day and it was just, well, if we do that, the cost of Nvidia chips is going to go down. And that's going to that might fuck up the stock market. Yeah, it's just it's absolutely obscene. I don't know. I mean, hopefully this is just like you think all the time. It's like maybe we're getting to that sort of fever pitch tipping point moment

where people are like, what the fuck is this? But as of right now, it's looking pretty good for the greedy motherfucker class. On the upside, though, new girl boss on the scene, Linda. Where are you going? Now? That's what I mean. What do you do next? God, that resume is going to be real fast.

And like, I'm I'm sure she will because the world is terrible. I'm sure she'll land on her feet somewhere. But like her next her next job is going to be the explanation for hiring her is going to be phenomenal. I can't wait. This is somebody who knows how to handle difficult personalities and take on strike. Yeah, exactly. In charge of law she's about to get. Oh man, not also by the way, did you see apparently grok? Somebody asked grok about her or a list of possible next Elon Musk baby mums. Oh no. Do you know who number one was?

Linda Yacarino? Take a guess why she might not be right? They were saying all kinds of, yo, there were some other screenshots I saw that Grok was talking wild, like sexually violent shit about Linda Yacarino too, which I don't see as much, cause people I think rightfully focus on the Nazism of Elon Musk and how everything he touches is Nazi. But that was another thing I was like, oh shit bro, like this is, I mean,

as if just working for Elon Musk wasn't enough, but I guess the check was okay, Linda. So I think you know what, you'll be all right and fuck you. And to Zell's point, it's like, did this need to be so first of all, you don't know one needs to fucking have access to this, this technology, this crock technology. But if you're going to give us access, maybe take some time to figure it the fuck out. So it doesn't start, you know, vomiting rate, like, you know, like, like sexual violence, violence, fantasies, right, you know, vomiting rate, like, you know, like, like sexual violence, violence fantasies, right? You know, anti semitism,

just all the other fucked up shit, just just give it some time to figure out to work out those. Because that's all these people do every AI company has to fucking show improve for the fucking stock price, or to get more investment or venture capital money. So like, they're always just going to be fucking pushing this shit out prematurely. And they're like, Oh to be fucking pushing this shit out prematurely. And they're like, oh, fuck. Whoa, whoa.

It's a racist. Yeah. Like we are. We are so obsessed with this idea that if you aren't first, you are losing. Yeah. And it is killing us. Yeah. Like it is the this idea that we are going to create something that will somehow make life better, but is also doing everything we know makes life worse, is killing us. Like, we just don't need this. We don't need any of this.

Yep. Well, I know what we do need, a little micro retirement. And that's why we're gonna take a break. And we'll be right back to talk about micro retirements after this. Wow. And we're back. We're back. And Business Insider out here. It does it again.

Doing the journalism that we deserve. See, the people thought I was waiting for the new Clips album to drop. No, I was waiting for the new Business Insider profile. No, I was waiting for the new business insider profile of some out of touch asshole talking out loud to drop. And we've got it, baby. Uh, this one, let me read the title. Uh, is I work in AI and now I use it for parenting my five kids,

shielding them from it would be a mistake. Oh boy. This sounds good. So yeah, it's about this guy who works in AI, specifically has a company called like AI CEO or something. He basically evangelizes the use of AI and the adoption of AI and scares the fuck out of I think small business owners to be like, because you know what's gonna happen, man, if you're not fucking doing this, the people that are, they're going to be making more money because they're going to fucking fire human laborers before you.

And then you're stuck. Who knows? Like that's like his whole pitch, basically. So it's not just small business owners. No, no, no. He's got a hero. But he ends all over the spectrum. If you're publicly traded.

Oh, boy. Because they want to adopt some AI. We're in the era of savings right now. You know, as it relates to everything. Yeah, that is such a great way to. It's actually tochi. It's efficiency. Actually, we're not upstairs. Don't sorry, don't call it class war.

It's innovation. It's innovation. It's restructuring. We're restructuring wealth. Yeah, is how we're restructuring wealth. Yeah. Is how we're restructuring it to move up and to defy gravity. Anyway, so this is how the piece starts. He basically talks about how it's like,

I'm going to be a better parent because I use AI, and I'm going to make my kids smarter. Quote, as a dad of five kids ranging in age from five to 15, I use AI throughout the day. It's my profession. But it's also a powerful tool for parenting. It not only makes my life easier in some ways, it also helps my kids prepare for the world they're entering. And he goes on to talk about how AI, he's like, it's not going to take your job, but a person who's using AI will. That's how he's like, kind of lightly dialing that fear mongering back of things. As a guy who likes to bust and works in AI. Five.

Yeah. Yeah. They're getting a top-notch education from what it sounds like too because they go to, here, let me read this paragraph. I homeschool all five of my kids. I try to follow the ancient Greek model of education where you learn, you do, you teach. Oh, it's good. Never misapplied the lessons of ancient Greece and ancient Rome.

Never misapplied. What happened to the ancient Greeks, by the way? I feel like- Oh yeah, I like the Socratic method where I don't know shit. I just ask my kid a bunch of times if they know. I believe that's how, I think that's the Socratic method. Anyway, he said, my kids learn a skill and practice it. Then they demonstrate their knowledge

by teaching it to their siblings. Okay, if the little kids get stuck on a problem, they ask the older kids for help. But if the older kids can't help, they turn to AI. All of the kids have AI on their phones and tablets and it acts as their tutor. This is most powerful when the kids get very frustrated with a problem, the type of problem that makes them

want to throw their hands up and say, no one can figure this out. In that moment, AI can guide them through with a problem. The type of problem that makes them want to throw their hands up and say, no one can figure this out. In that moment, AI can guide them through solving the problem, showing them that it can be done. No one can figure this out. And I think you go, you talk to Andalei, Andalei, mommy, AI, AI. Uh-oh. I don't know about this.

He, I mean, he like uses this like example example of like how do I do a thing to show like he also said like we Kind of fixed our air conditioning unit and it was a family event. Okay, I I I don't know. I'm going back to my childhood With my black father my Japanese immigrant mother if I said I can't no one can figure this out They'd be like you need to learn how to read a fucking book my Japanese immigrant mother, if I said, I can't, no one can figure this out. They'd be like, you need to learn how to read a fucking book. Yeah, like go to the encyclopedia, go to the library. You look on the internet.

Like, and at least I had that interaction where I was like, just check out the AI. Yeah, well also like which of these, what, find the part in here where he describes AI in a way that doesn't apply to? Google before it was broken by AI You know like when just like knowing how to use Google and having access to maybe like some scholarly journals

Yeah, I learned how to make a New Jersey fake driver's license free AI Google. Right. Yeah. And I knew I had to find a fucking PDF, like frame, like a fucking vector file that I could throw my picture. I learned about all that shit from just, you know, can insert really searching the Internet. Yeah. And like also to, you know, another benefit of raising your kids by actually interacting with them and like telling them things and sending them off to do things like, you know, how stuff and whatnot is that there's at least depending on the context, a lot less of a risk of raising like five raging anti Semites.

Yeah, it's like almost slightly less. Yeah. Like, you know, there's also that benefit to interacting with you because like, like one thing and I don't think, I don't think America or at least American society has fully reckoned with how the pandemic like fucked with us socially and how it just completely, you know, not just for younger generations, but also for older generations, just reconfigured how we interact with each other and how

difficult it has become for people to like really interact with each other. Where, you know, people these like I was talking with a high school teacher the other day, like over the weekend, he was talking about how it was actually easier to teach his students or for for his students to interact with him through their phones, as opposed to just face to face like conversation and stuff like that. And so the thing about living in the world is that you're actually in the world, like you're physically like in the world around other people and all of these things.

So growing up, living a life is not just about the accumulation of knowledge or whatever, like you can read as many Wikipedia pages as you want. Like that's not going to make you an actually smarter person. You actually you have to actually learn how to talk to people. Right. Right. Yeah. The piece goes on in a wild again. This motherfucker is this doesn't want to be a dad.

I think it's what they should have called this piece. Like many kids, mine love to ask a million questions at bedtime. Like, Dad, why are you drinking? Why are you going? where are you leaving? Where are you going, man? Where are you going, where are you going? Why don't you talk to us anymore? Yeah, yeah.

Does mom ever come up with this? No, but the photo of the family, it almost looks like the mother could be AI. Yeah, it's AI generated, isn't it? Like, I was like, hmm. Oh yeah, they're all smiling and the mom is giving Victoria Beckham like, yeah, like great, like posh spice face.

But like she's got something filter anyway, whatever. So he goes on. I hate when my fucking kids are like, why don't you love me? He says, quote, I'll answer the first three to four. But why questions? Then I handed over to A.I. The computer system has relentless energy to answer questions from even the most persistent kid.

And my children usually get tired. They usually get tired out after a few minutes. I do the same thing when the kids are arguing. Sometimes I'll ask AI for a second opinion. It leads to what about your partner? Yeah. Right. Where are they?

Where is that? Hold on. So your partner is a third. Where are they? Where is that? Hold on. So your partner's a third. No, no, let me. Honey, I think I might ask chat GPT. Hold on. Yeah. You know what this reminds me of? I think it also might have been business insider. There was a story that came out a while back, maybe like several months back about this dude who he was evangelizing this like AI platform that could create office assistance for him so you could make yourself your own CEO and have a whole team doing stuff for you and then he ended up sexually harassing one of his

AI generated assistants and writing a story about it. and writing a story about it. He was like, this is one of the services that it provides. You can sexually harass it essentially without being, without harming somebody. The headline was like, I think I made an HR boo boo or something like that. Yes. He was like, yeah, I made an HR boo boo when I made this AI assistant,

dumb thing. Yo, dog. I should have known when I made this AI assistant dumb thing. Yo, dog, what'd you think she was seeing? I should've known when I was doing the create a player mode. I shouldn't have set the yeeks to that. Oh, God. If you'd seen her, I mean, she was dragging a wagon, man.

You wouldn't, mm, mm. They're like, hold on, what is this? Batman could not have beaten that confession out of me. Right, yeah. Seriously. And he's like, oh, this is an interesting wrinkle not have beaten that confession out of me. Right. Yeah. Right. And he's like, oh, this is an interesting wrinkle that I can talk to people about. But I mean, kind of smart marketing, because every CEO who they're trying to pitch to has had problems. Accidentally,

for whom? Mm hmm. I'm swimming from Jack and off on a zoom call. And it's a two minute CNN. I'm not saying. I'm not saying. I'm not saying. I'm not saying. I'm not saying. I'm not saying. I'm not saying. I'm not saying. I'm not saying.

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Cause like, then I don't do stuff in real, in the real world. You're like, hold on. That's not the issue is that you need this robot fool. You need to fucking do some soul searching. There's another line in this that just, just shakes me to my core. Cause again, we're all, we've all been kids who ask our parents questions. Like why remember one of the first things, uh? Anyway, this is it in our house. Have you asked AI for assistance is a common refrain. Uh, so that's how we can terrible.

That's your relationship to your children is like, did you, why are you bothering me with this mess? Did you ask yourself? And then they're mimicking that behavior when somebody's like, you know what I'm saying? Like, like this is like, just everything downstream of this is so fucking terrible but this guy's like I'm just he's again rationalized this as if he's doing them a favor when in fact he's so selfish and just so myopic in his view of like what AI is that he's

like oh and this I'm just preparing them for a cold world where their dads will ignore them and be like why are you fucking asking me shit? It's going to be wild when the A.I. bubble bursts and all the money goes to some other, you know, tech fad or Internet fad or whatever. And all these people are left with these fucking dysfunctional relationships with these kids that don't know how to talk to them anymore because they've been telling them to consult their phones for their entire lives.

Yeah. It's my God. I was like, my favorite movie. That have to be the first 20 minutes of multiplicity. I didn't see any of the part where there's consequences to him creating a bunch of different versions of himself and parenting. The later ones kind of get wonky. We're the one that just says tough over and over.

Then watch that. I just, I like the idea. Let's, let's keep it moving. Yeah. It's, it totally. Right. Like I have a seven year old and a nine year old and I, they're, they ask a lot of questions and their questions like make me see things with fresh eyes.

And I'm like, that is a thing that I had forgotten was really interesting. And now you're like, and I get curious with them. And just the idea that he's like, and once I kick it over to AI, they tuck her out real quick. That might mean that like they is doing a bad job. He's like, and the AI is great because it extinguishes their curiosity real quick. 100% and just the way we learn, right? Like, yeah, there's so many college students that they've interviewed who used AI to get through college. And they're like, well, I don't remember a single fucking thing

because all my task was merely just figuring out the prompts to then copy and paste or slightly punch up for an assignment. I didn't retain the information because my relationship to the information is completely different. And like, I'm just thinking of like, as a kid, I had all these like kids almanac books that were just filled with fucking dumb Facts and shit and like weird like it had everything from like what all the chevrons meant on like an army person's Uniform or like, you know how a tornado comes together and I would pour over these books because I was like

This is fucking cool to me and it was like pick it was like made for kids or whatever yeah, but I'm just thinking of like that process for me, I, I internalized or remembered so much of it because it felt like I could find something I could connect the dots within these like set of books that I had. Yeah. And you, when you just reduce it down to just being like, well, did you ask the magic question to the thing and what was the

answer gave you? Okay. Well then that's reality is like just such a fucking weird way to you know accumulate these like life experiences that end up making you a podcaster you know. It's this like optimize everything in your life mindset right where everything is all about instrumentality and like how can I get to the next stage get to the next stage get to the next stage where I will be infinitely rich, right? But like sometimes, you know, the way through life

is to learn that the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell. Right. Right. And like enjoy that and sit in the curiosity around that and not just always kick things forward to, you know, some pyramid scheme of like knowledge and earning capacity where like, and then I'm gonna turn that

into an ability to optimize for this so that I can get richer. And so my kids can get richer. And now I've got a powerhouse of capitalism working at home instead of being like, I don't know, man, maybe like enjoy spending time with your kids and like learn stuff from them. Right.

It's wild to automate parenthood. Yeah. Just completely cut out of that. Yeah. But I think that's just an escalation for, I think, and it's also a reflection on how like exhausted people are working parents can be, and I can totally see how intoxicating that like idea of being like, Oh, no, I'm gonna fucking do it. Cause I remember when like people had Alexis in their home, everyone's like,

dude, it's great. We asked the Alexa stuff, but it was even then it was a thing that a parent would do with a kid rather than be like, I don't know, ask the fucking cone in the kitchen, right? Like that's just a fucking weird interaction to have. And I think, yeah, like, I think you bring this up Jack all the time about how evolutionarily speaking, like we've just in the last 30 years, we've just entered this space that's like accelerated at such a pace that the previous millennia

that have preceded it, like it just dwarfs in comparison. And we're suddenly like our hunter gatherer brain is like, I'm the fucking ass, the cone,, what's gravity? It's just, yeah, it's so much. And this adds a layer on top where it's like, my dad is subtly mad at me if I don't ask the cone. Right. It's like, fuck, man.

So that sends me in a direction of where like my instinct is to just like avoid emotionally connecting with a person and instead just optimize my ability to use AI to find the information. It's like, Oh man, the way to get dad to like me is to ask the phone things. Yeah. Right. Which is wild. This would be fucked up.

We're talking about this in an ideal world where AI actually works. And like, right, Tochi, as you brought up the first place, we just have the person who is the icon of tech smart guy in Elon Musk release an AI chat bot on his company that he spent $44 billion on that immediately just went to Mecca Hitler on the world. Like that is where we're at with this. And this guy is like, yeah, so I mean, it's a perfect solution.

Yeah, I'd let that around my kids. What? Yeah. Jesus. All right. That's going to do it for this week's weekly zeitgeist. Please like and review the show if you like the show. It means the world to Miles.

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