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Yeah. So without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist today's inner circle flip it'll be fridays uh when you're listening to this a few days back so there might have been like we said baron and melania might have flipped by now but uh on friday gentleman by the name of Alan Weisselberg, it was announced, was granted immunity, is expected to cooperate. And he is a name that I actually heard for the first time from Adam Davidson, who is a New Yorker reporter, who was the dude who like six or seven weeks ago when Cohen's office was first raided was like, oh, this is the beginning of the end of the Trump presidency. This is going to be like really bad for him. And kind of called that like Cohen knew where the bodies were buried and that this was going to be a big problem.

So that same reporter yesterday, I heard him say that Allen Weisselberg will be one of the most famous names in the history of the country when it's all said and done, because he's basically been the CFO for the Trump organization since the 70s. So he knows literally all the crimes that Trump has committed. All the crimes. And Trump has committed all the crimes. So it works out well. Every kind of crime. Yeah, exactly. So I don't know. Every kind of crime. Yeah, exactly. So I don't know.

It's interesting. It just seems like one after another. And also Weisselberg was called by prosecutors in a different case and seemed like he was ready to just roll over on Trump like immediately. He was like, I don't like this. He's like, yeah, he did it. He did that shit. If anybody wants his power, it was like he did that shit He's like, yeah. He did it. He did that shit. If anybody wants his power. It was like, he did that shit.

Guilty as fuck. He crushed my yogurt. The thing is, Adam is 71, right? Yeah. Yeah. So I'm like, Trump, why you not? What y'all playing? Y'all gonna murder him or what?

Make it look like an accident? If we've learned anything from this presidency, it is that all conspiracy theories must be wrong or at least any conspiracy theories involving these people because it's just nothing but incompetence and corruption all the way down.

They had no plans to get away with these crimes. Right. Nothing. They had no plan in place to actually get away with the crime. Trump was like, no, I'll just tell people

I didn't do it. Right? And they'll believe me? As our resident scam expert, you must just be shaking your head well i'm shaking my head at trump but i'm impressed with adam weisselberg because you know when you get offered immunity it's because you yourself was committing mad crimes as well right you was you know what i mean like you didn't kill the person but you definitely dug up a little bit of the land to put the body in like you know i mean he's like hold on you get tired trump let me get that shovel fam i caught you like you weren't involved i don't mean love to see a movie from him about the trump

organization from his perspective played by lacy just be like who I gotta pay off? Okay, she on Hollywood and what? Okay, Hollywood and I'm gonna go pay her right now. Here go your money, bitch. Don't say nothing. It's just me paying people off all day. Like, all right, Trill, what we doing now? Russia? Ah, shit.

All right. When we get there, they got good vodka over there let's go let's go so i just think he's the best scammer because he got to commit all the he crime adjacent you know so he was in the cul-de-sac of crime he was the cfo for a crime family yeah and he has now been granted immunity right So that's pretty good deal for him. Because then he got to live his whole life being shady as fuck. And now is never going to go to jail for it. Like you don't ever want to be the kingpin. You know what I mean?

You want to be the henchman who live in real good. The guy behind the guy. So honestly, it feels like all you have to do is send an email in the subject that says, immunity, please. I work for Trump. And then you got it. You just have to talk. It seems like anyone could get it at this point

as long as you've got dirt. This entire organization is filled with people. I'm just like, Trump, why you don't got no muscle? You don't got nobody to intimidate people? Cohen was his muscle. Cohen was the guy who was like, I'd take a bullet for Mr. Trump. Do you think Ivanka's gonna go for it? I don't know if she's gonna

go for it but she's in trouble if she does not go for it. I think she should. She's got some issues that she needs to get that immunity for. She needs to protect her uncomfortable ass shoe line. She's like who gonna give bitches stress fractures if I'm not in business okay? Have you tried on her shoes? Yes, Ivanka Trump's shoes are terribly narrow

and they immediately hurt your feet as soon as you put them on. And they cheap. You can't run from the cops in those. And I only buy heels I can run from the cops in. Nice. She's incredibly narrow is the greatest description. Who is going to sell painful ass shoes

for bitches to sit in, okay? Best women's shoes for bitches to sit in okay best women's shoes for running from the cops go Jessica Simpson is putting out some real look at that

I was about to say Jessica Simpson you can scale at least a 10 foot fence in some of those okay because she was doing it while pregnant

so she knew right she knew she knew Jessica got shoe game on lock at first I was laughing I was like Jessica

you can't sell no shoes then I put them shits on I said okay bitch stop singing because this is your calling uh-huh and it was don't sing no more extremely don't you ever sing another note in your life i don't want you singing in the shower but yes i think that everybody's just rolling over on trump it's crazy to me like there's no loyalty in this they're they're yeah and i mean i think people are smart enough to see that he has no loyalty to anybody so no you know he's not gonna he's not gonna back anybody up obviously but yeah he it's turning into like reservoir dogs where they're all pointing guns just everybody's shooting each other who told who right it's the spider-man meme they're just

looking at you yeah like we thought cohen went back far with trump but this dude has been running the family business since 1970 he's a cfo so he has all the like literal receipts and you know he probably has the evidence that trump has not in any way stepped back from running his company and any corrupt shit that he did with his company and foreign governments, which, I mean, I would literally be shocked if there weren't some of that. So, yeah, that's what's going down on Friday. All right, guys, John McCain passed away.

We knew that he had stopped receiving medical treatment, and then over the weekend he passed, like almost the day after that announcement was made. It was really fast. But he's getting, I think, lionized is probably the proper terminology. And I think he's like a complex figure who owned up to his own complexity. I feel like he owned some to his own complexity. I feel like he owned some of his failures. He was pro-Iraq war.

He was frothing at the pants for Iraq war. He beat the drum for every war we've had during his lifetime. Yeah. And he also, I think his decision to bring Palin in was an early precursor to Trumpism and the whole MAGA movement. Because his campaign became all these rallies where Palin was out there talking about the lamestream media and just basically presaging all the shit that would go down during Trump's campaign. Yeah, like, you're not going to get me with gotcha questions. Right. Like, have you read a book? Right. Yeah. like, you're not going to get me with gotcha questions. Right. Like, have you read a book?

Oh, not going to get me with these gotcha questions. Just one magazine that you've read an article from. Oh, that's what it was, right. Yeah, yeah. But then he eventually came out and said, you know, the Iraq war was a bad idea and that Palin was not the right decision. And the thing that I think he deserves a lot of credit for is trying to reform campaign finance the way that the government has financed. It didn't end up being

effective. Well, that basically put large donors in the driver's seat for policy, essentially. Right. Well, what he did, I mean, McCain-Feingold. No, no. But now that's all changed now. They were trying to stave off the influence of large donors. Right, which is one of the main problems with our whole political system. Which is a corporatocracy. Right, and he was trying to solve that is because right when he became a congressperson, he was implicated in a scandal where he passed legislation that was favorable to somebody who had donated to him. Right. There was the bad and the good on all sides.

And I think that's important to keep in mind. His last speech was like, I lived a good life, but I wasn't perfect and owned up to his own failure. And also acknowledge something that I feel like it's important for really successful people to acknowledge, which was how lucky he was. So, yeah. Sorry to cut you off, Miles. No, no. I'm just, you know, I think, yes, there were a lot of, you know, there are these hagiographic descriptions of his life, basically. But on the other side, you see a lot of people just sort of being like, this is why he's so evil.

And yes, I think you can give credence to those things. I mean, being the biggest cheerleader for the Iraq war, which basically destabilized an entire region and caused massive loss of life and was a total waste of money, can't be overstated enough. But I think really what the people are seeing is I feel, you know, he acted honorably according to what his own political beliefs are and who he was as a person and his experiences as a man. I can't take that away from him. You know, I got into it with my mom this weekend. She was like, I hope to see McCain up there one day. And I was like, what are you talking about?

Like on the political? On the moon? I don't know. I think she just meant, Mount Rushmore. That was her just kind of waxing poetic that she felt bad because in any way,

like in the afterlife? Yeah, I think so. I think that's what she alluded to. Even though she doesn't really believe in that. That's why I was like, what have you been watching? I understand that

it's a complex thing and I'm not like out here celebrating his death or anything like that. But I think one thing that's weird is he's sort of being held up as like the last bastion of plightness.

When this man like called his wife a C-U-N-T in public, he called Iranians monkeys. He called for, he literally sang the song, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran. He called a teenage Chelsea Clinton ugly, saying Janet Reno was her father. She was like 13 or 14 at the time. So he's done a lot of things that like aren't plight and are not the bastion of plight. I mean, publicly railing against a Martin Luther King day. He's done a lot of weird stuff. I mean, even the thing that everyone is spreading right now about when someone said, Obama's an Arab. And he said, he's not an Arab. He's a decent man. Sort of implying that Arabs can't be decent men.

And I understand that it was a spur-of-the-moment thing, but let's rewrite history. It always scares me as a person of color to see us rewriting history. The bar is so low. Yes, he was maybe the last Republican who tried, at least tried to do some bipartisan

things because the Republican Party now seems to be so down-the-line sheep. And we can talk about that, but I just get a little weary of the rewriting of history. Yeah, or sanitizing it like that, of just sort of looking at that. And I think one of the reasons too is he kind of marks that death of like the GOP in general, of like what it used to look like, where these people weren't so caught up in their ideology and unable to look at a problem objectively and not in such a partisan manner and be like, this is not a good thing for people. Not, is this good for my party

or is this good for my reelection bid or things like that? You know, there was a shred of bipartisanship to them. And I think that's what people are really kind of lamenting to or just feeling that they've lost because I don't know who looks like that now at this point. Nobody. Everyone is completely inconsistent. I don't know any people in the GOP. Granted, the mistakes that John McCain made were pretty major, but he later on in life was able to look back and say,

okay, that might have been a mistake. But I don't know if anyone has that sort of ability to be honest with themselves. Well, certainly not the current leader of that party, Donald Trump. There's a lot of ways that he's like sort of the anti-Trump because he did acknowledge his fuck-ups in some cases. And he seemed to like drama when it came to like fucking with Trump because he specifically didn't invite him to his funeral. Trump because he specifically didn't invite him to his funeral. And also like the thumbs down thing, even though he went on to, you know, basically undermine the individual mandate like six months later. Which destroyed the ACA. Right. When the Republicans were very publicly trying to end Obamacare, he did the big thumbs down thing. So it's like, I think it's natural that they were set up as sort of

different sides of like some sort of conflict at the heart of the Republican Party. And I'm just interested to see, like, we're already seeing that Trump can't deal with people paying tribute to McCain or anyone who isn't him. And what a low bar for the GOP that we're like, well, at least he wasn't a public racist. Only kind of. And with the Roy Moore thing in Alabama, what a low bar. The pedophile almost won.

Right. Well, at least he's not a pedophile is now the bar for the GOP yeah well I mean he did say a lot of stuff McCain that was he spoke out against the president but he voted something like 83 percent of the time yeah with the party you know and even people like Jeff Flake and Bob Corker who don't face the existential threat of being primaried who are talking a good game they still aren't voting like that yeah and that's the thing i take issue with and and i realize that's just the way this fucking

system works though you're not really gonna find even on the left you're not gonna find people like that because everyone sort of lives in this world where well how am i gonna stay in office how am i gonna stay in office if the polls dip because i back this certain bill or i this comment then i'm gonna have to get back in line or whatever. I think that's always something that has to be considered when we look at the behavior of a lot of our politicians. But yeah, Donald Trump, though. Have you guys been watching Who is America on Showtime?

Every now and then I watch the clips. I've probably watched three full episodes. I've watched all of them, and one thing that's fascinating to me is he went after politicians on both sides. Yeah. And it was amazing to me that for the most part the barney franks and the bernie sanders and the ted coppels and things like that were all like this is ridiculous and they walked out of the interview right and the politicians on the other side were not doing that they fully are going

forth and end up doing insane things and i realized there's editing and i realized there's producers and i realized there's a lot of stuff that goes into that. But it was very telling to me that the politicians on one side were like, this is stupid. I'm out of here. Yeah.

Well, another is like, oh, this is gonna be on TV. Where at? Okay, great. Yeah.

They love attention. And that's why, you know, we have President Pettiness who's at full, turned Pettiness up to fucking 500 on the knob. Yeah. And he also, his tweet full, turned Pettiness up to fucking 500 on the knob. Yeah.

And he also, his tweet was, my deepest sympathies go to the family of McCain. And also he tweeted a picture of himself looking at, looking very solemn. Yeah, there was like another post. Yeah, like with that text, it was like him, a photo of him on the side, not even of John McCain. And then the POTUS account just, or maybe it was the White House account, just tweeted his face with his life and death dates on it, like nothing else. And then there's also reporting coming out that the White House had fully drafted a press release to come from the office of the president that talked about his service as a soldier, as a politician, and calling him a hero. And Trump did not like that and was basically put

the kibosh on that as like now i'm gonna tweet something right i'm gonna tweet my sympathies to his family yeah so i think it makes sense like i think if as we see people lionizing him like that is definitely not completely in keeping or fully acknowledging the entirety of his legacy. But it makes sense to me symbolically because we're at this point where the actual head of the Republican Party is just things are going in such a terrible direction. And one that, you know, after Tuesday of last week, people now on both sides are sort of having to acknowledge like the deal that they made with the devil so yeah think about how many lives are being destroyed or affected negatively because of one man's insecurity right trump is the most insecure man i think i've ever read about and

i don't know we're in we're in hollywood though we've probably had some insecurity. I mean, this man can't. He's the president. He's literally the most powerful person in the world. But yeah, he's a symptom of this sort of system we have where connivers and cheaters win. And so naturally, we get someone like this who ascends to power because that's just sort of been the playing field. And I think this is the punctuation on what the what I guess old school GOP uh politicians look like and now you have this new crew because then you have Kelly Ward who's running for Jeff Flake's senate seat in Arizona she tried to claim that the announcement

of McCain's family saying we're going to take him off we're stopping the treatment the cancer treatment she was like oh they did that to fuck with my bus tour. Hmm. Like, really? Like, what the fuck? And that shows you the state, the worldview of some of these new incoming people who are looking to, oh, Donald Trump is in office. Okay, now you're seeing more people of this sort of ilk come forward. Just pathological narcissists.

And who are just, who are trying to make the announcement of someone who, even despite our disagreement with his politics, done more as a politician from the state of Arizona, and you want to just say, oh, he's fucking up my bus tour with Mike Cernovich? Right. Come on now. So despite, as we acknowledged, McCain being flawed to awful in certain circumstances there's also this idea that's being floated that they should rename the senate building for him yeah and miles you're

kind of behind this idea well yeah of course i mean chuck schumer i think was the first person to be like i would like to put forward a proposal to rename the you know the russell senate building there's three senate buildings. So the one specifically named after Richard Russell to change it to name it after John McCain, which I think is probably a better idea when you look back at who Richard Russell was, who was a Georgia, straight up Southern Democrat. Let me just read you a quote from the campaign trail when he was running for office. As one who was born and reared in the atmosphere of the old South, with six generations of my forebears now resting beneath southern soil, I'm willing to go as far and make as great a sacrifice to preserve and ensure white supremacy in the social, economic, and political life of our state as any man who lives within her borders.

Wow. He said it right there. That's enough. I don't have to go into it anymore. That's enough. Okay, let me just say. Even white supremacists don't say white supremacy. Boy, that's a dated term. They try and use dog whistling now.

That is unreal. He filibustered a federal ban on lynching twice. Right. He filibustered a federal ban on lynching twice and called the Civil Rights Act a short-sighted and disastrous piece of legislation. And he basically really was one of the leaders that led the Southern charge against the Civil Rights Movement. He got to go. Yeah, I mean, that's old. I think one of the reasons, though, why the building was named after him is because he was a very effective politician like he knew how the senate worked and he knew how to game it and he was a very astute student of politics and would read all the agendas and things and understand what the next day was going to look like on the senate floor and really played the game and i think in that sense maybe that is why

they you know were able to overlook these other things and be like well he was a very effective senator he knew how to get stuff done. I mean, people believe that now. He was born in 1897. So a lot of people believed what he was talking about back then. He probably had the majority of support. And a lot of people say it makes sense. Chuck Schumer, looking at the optics of it, is like, oh, change the name of a building who is someone who is a Democrat and now name it after a Republican.

And probably everyone will be behind that because he was very well liked amongst his peers. Right. So, yeah, it's like anything when you look back at half the buildings and the statues that we have erected of people who are like, these aren't dating well at all. All right. Well, we're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back. A quick break and we'll be right back.

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All right, we're back. So I did want to talk about the year 2008. I think you guys were in elementary school at that time. 2008, I was 18, but yeah, please go on. Yeah, I was in elementary school at that time. 2008, I was 18. Yeah, I was in high school. You guys were making fun of me. I was held back until I was 18 in elementary school. I mentioned that I had seen-

I was a very large 18-year-old. I mentioned that I had seen Crooklyn in movie theaters earlier, and I just got mercilessly shit on. We get it, you're 85 years old. In the pictures. I was a kid. He was like, y'all didn't go to the movie theaters when the man was playing the piano? All right. What's the last Chaplin film y'all saw?

Chaplin was a genius. So Simon Rich's dad wrote an article about how 2008 was the year the American dream died. And I don't know, he makes some good points. He starts out talking about how if you were standing in the ashes of 9-11, looking into the future, and you saw that there had been no subsequent major terror attacks, American troops were not in any ground war. American workers were enjoying 4% unemployment. The stock market was booming up 250% since September 10th, 2001. And that the most admired person in America, according to Gallup, is the nation's first black president, a man no one had heard of at that time, and that comedy, which is the one art whose currency is laughter, is the culture's greatest growth industry.

That was his editorializing. I'll take it, though. Yay for comedy. But he was like, what's not to like about that? And then he points out that actually the mood in America is as dark as it's ever been. Birth rate is at a record low, and the suicide rate is at a 30 year high. we've had on for the American dream and for, you know, this idea that just hard work and idealism would all lift us up by the bootstraps like that.

Those were just kind of taken off and everyone was like, oh, it's a scam. The whole thing is a fucking scam. So sad when that scam unraveled. Yeah, it was a good one. Yeah, it was really it lasted for a hundred years. It had a whole brand white picket fence yeah which is tacky just so everyone knows people still love that shit though yo it's wild too because like that whole time when thing like shit was good i feel like everything felt like it

was possible and now we're living in a time where i'm just like oh fuck like i saw an advertisement i'm so millennial i saw a fucking advertisement on Facebook that was like experience everything. Oh, nothing. And I was like, damn, that's really what we out here doing. That's what we want. Yeah.

Like I'm renting everything. You know, now you can rent a dishwasher. Yeah. You can rent anything. So, I mean, you rent a dishwasher? Like, yeah, no, I do my dishes in it and then I pass it to my neighbor you don't got

to own shit what you talking about the whole neighborhood lines up to do their dishes it's cumbersome i won't lie like pushing it back and forth but it's the sisterhood of the traveling but it's true like owning a home is not even something that i feel like a lot of millennials are thinking about yeah you know what i mean Because it's not as possible, all that shit, because the baby boomers won't die. Yeah. I mean, literally part of the American dream was owning a house, like getting the white picket fence. And as he points out, that was like the foundation of the collapse in 2008 was homeownership.

And it was like, yeah, no, none of you could pay for those houses that we said you could pay for. And the way he put it, he said, when he talks about how we believed that rising tide lifts all boats. And he said, when the tide pulled back in 2008 to reveal the ruins underneath, the country got an indelible picture of just how much inequality had been banked by the top 1% over the decades, how many false promises to the other 99% have been broken, and how many Central American institutions, whether governmental, financial, or corporate, had betrayed the trust the public had placed in them. And then, you know, points out that unlike 9-11, which there was like the 9-11 commission, we were like, you know, there are all these really good books, Looming Tower,

that were like, how the fuck did this happen? And like, who was to blame? We like built a international prison where they could fucking like torture people. But the Great Recession, it was just like, oh yeah, and they all get away with it. And like, none of this shit gets fixed. That is also like a reason that I think. Doesn't it kind of feel like we all

just got a little too cocky? Yeah, we really did. I mean, it wasn't our fault. I mean, but also I think that like with all the deregulation that the Clinton administration did which was supposed

to promote growth, all it did was make everybody like, oh, scamming is so easy now. Like, goddamn. And it's not even a scam that hasn't happened in history before. You take economics,

you learn about the whole flower implosion, like that bubble. The tulip market, yeah. Yeah, so it's like we've done this before we know what happens but we get fucking greedy because we're american but the biggest tragedy of 2008 is really jesse mccartney's career you know what i mean like he was popping he had songs on the billboard charts and now i mean it's over for him who jesse mccartney exactly

and katie perry i kissed the girl came out oh yeah in 2008 and now her career is trash too she is so annoying sorry katie she is annoying you know she got a shoe line too i just want to help her y'all get so check that out get katie perry's shoes y'all help a bitch out okay she's a good one no but i mean it's crazy because we're constantly innovating and we can't really go back so it's like what is the future for millennials when it comes to ownership we're definitely not having kids we cannot afford them right like yeah no i mean that's why the birth rate is at an all-time low that's one of my favorite jokes is like my mom is like when am i to get some grandbabies? I'm like,

do you have grandbabies money? You got grandchildren coins or not? Cause I don't, I could barely support my own mouth. Right. I'm supposed to have little mouths. Yeah. Although I will say seeing the only time I've ever wanted children was when I

saw a picture of Kim Kardashian where North was in the back and she had taken, she took the photo. I was like, damn. Yeah. North took the photo. It was like, damn. Oh, North took the photo? Yeah, it was like in a bathroom so you could see her little hands

like with this huge phone taking this photo of her mom and I was like, oh my God. And you were like, I want a baby to take pictures of me. That is the future of thirst trapping. If only I had a beautiful baby to take photos of me.

You can teach the baby your angles. You got plenty of time to train up a child. That is the most millennial thing you've ever said, actually. But I can't afford one. I can't. Babies are expensive. Jewelry is expensive. I love that there's so many articles.

Somebody listed all the articles. I was just like, are millennials killing this? Are millennials killing that? It's like, just be cheaper. We'll buy it. Be cheaper for us. So guess who's back? Oh, no.

Back again. Louis is back. So Louis C.K. did a surprise performance. You mean masturbated in front of someone? Shout out to Twitter where dozens of people made the joke. Isn't surprise performances what got him in trouble in the first place?

Yeah, Jesus. Doing a surprise performance without the audience's consent. Sounds like he learned a lot. Solid dad joke. Everyone, well done. Twitter. Move on to the next thing. now racism go well apparently uh louis didn't mention the fact that he you know was in the middle of this controversy and not

really controversy that he had done this horrible action and was just like went up there and made observations about tipping waitresses and servers servers he tips over servers yeah he tips them over like yeah like cow tipping and traffic computer servers and racism he was like racism

that's not the one that I have problems with right okay so I'll do commentary on that but he did it at the cellar which is the like the venue where i think in the opening of louis credit like that's his his that's his home club what yankee stadium is a derrick jeter is what the cellar is to louis ck basically so it's he went into the most friendly territory but who knows if they said he got a standing ovation yes oh that's fucking weird i don't know i don't understand that it's kicked off a lot of stuff because i know michael ian black was

sort of saying oh it's it's good to see him get out there after you know he's just you know caught up in this stuff and you're like uh way to sort of totally mischaracterize all of this right well also a lot of the conversations have been around like, how will these abusers, like, how can we reintegrate them into society? Right. And how can they redeem themselves? And it's like, well, first of all,

that should not be the priority. Like, the priority should be, like, paying attention to the victims and the people, like the women who quit comedy and, like, their careers in comedy are over because they spoke out and then they were threatened and, you know, blackballed and all that stuff.

So like the focus in a lot of these conversations has been on like, Oh, the abusers. And like, what are we going to do about them? It's turned into all abusers basically is what you can distill a lot of that sentiment down. Yeah.

What? It's been 10 months. When's it going to be enough, guys? Come on. Like, what the fuck? Honestly, like, for the shit he did, he would probably spend more time in jail than nine months if that went to a trial, right?

And you were, like, locking people in a room and masturbating. I mean, in an ideal world, yeah, but our justice system fucking sucks. Absolutely. But I mean, like, if you even took by the rubric of if most of the time the justice system fails the victim of these things, even if he were to do that, it would be more than nine months.

So he's actually even doing less time just keeping low than he even would. In the court of public opinion. Yeah, and I don't understand. It's been a whole thing we've just seen in the last four months, too, of a lot of people starting to talk about, oh, how am I going to get back in? Like, already trying to sound out more opportunities for themselves. And I don't think that redemption necessarily means, okay, you were on timeout long enough. Now come back to your seat of power and wealth. And there you go. When that was the exact thing you were weaponizing to behave in this manner. So at the very least,

he hasn't even done the bare minimum of convincing people that he actually understands what he did. Right. He's still not holding himself accountable for what he did at all. My proposal for if there is any sort of redemption in these scenarios. And it is your responsibility to come up with it. Right. As a woman. So tell us.

What have you come up with? For people like him, TJ Miller, Chris Hardwick, they should get rid of all their wealth, give it to RAIN or something, an organization like that, get marooned onto that giant pile of trash that's floating around the ocean. The gyre, yes. And then live on that in obscurity until they pass away.

Wow, Okay. So that's my idea of their redemption. Justice Corner with Judge Durante. There probably is enough food out there in the garbage that they can pick through. Because we throw away so much food. Yeah, the food waste. I mean, just open up one of those malformed sun-warped bottles of whatever, and there's probably some kind of nutrient in there for you.

Our writer J.M. McNabb was pointing out that while it seems like we are giving Louis parole for good behavior or no behavior, Woody Allen is, it looks like, being sort of blacklisted in a good way. I don't know. Can you blacklist someone in a good way? I mean, first of all, his movies have never really been financially successful. And so he always relies on wealthy people to be like, hey, yeah, we'll pay for your movie because it's cool for us to say we were attached to a Woody Allen movie. And now that it is becoming more and more acknowledged that he sexually abused a child, at the very least,

that that's no longer a cool thing. And so he is, for the first time since the year 1981, he is not going to be releasing a movie this year, which he really tends to churn those out. But he does not have a movie on the horizon um because he can't wait he can't find any back he can't find any financial backers yeah well they said he's taking time off to look for financial backers like oh well i think that means he's taking time off to find people with no moral scruples right yeah is what that is right so i just don't man i don't fucking

like louis come on now. You've got to know this is not right. Going up there and just, like, completely ignoring it and talking about tipping. Yeah, is the worst thing you can do. Right. It seems very, I don't know. Because you could, that's like being, like, an injured athlete where you're like, all right, well, my knee healed back up and I'm back out there. Nothing went wrong.

Right. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah okay you've completely yeah well as we said we were always wondering how long it would take for some of these people to think that you get confident enough to be like okay let's dip the toe in and see what happens i hope that there will be enough public outcry that he will understand that no one i'm certainly not interested in seeing him come back anytime soon. That'll translate. But again, you think about all the people that depend on him for a check, like publicists

and agents and things like that. They're probably thinking, they're like, yeah, like, let's, okay, let's see. Maybe, let's see if this cash cow can start generating something. Like, let's see. That's a point that I've heard made about just in the context of Trump's scandal, that celebrities, our entire industries. They basically have industries built around them that are designed to keep their careers moving forward because lots of paychecks come from that specific individual. And so Trump has this whole, he's a

celebrity first, then a politician. So he has this whole infrastructure of people who are covering up his crimes to keep the paychecks coming through and yeah i think the same goes here they said i think one person called to complain about him appearing at the club that day that's just so upsetting announced too it would be like, yo, I'm surprised. I guess, though, again, because it is the seller, that's probably the one. That's a specific audience. Yeah. Yeah, that appeals to a... That's a...

Gosh. What was this standing at? It was like, if you don't stand... Whatever. We'll see. There is a great list that I found particularly useful going around of 51 comedians who never forced women to watch them masturbate and uh there's some great comedians on there except not me uh all right throw it out it's one of our other

shows uh couples therapy is on there brandy posey barbara gray a lot of a lot of great comedians who you have riley silverman sarah shaffer just heard last week sarah shaffer ashling b ashling b oh desus and mero all right shout out to them although i don't know mero he said he was Riley Silverman. Sarah Schaefer. Just heard last week, Sarah Schaefer. Aisling B. Aisling B. Oh, Desus and Mero. All right, shout out to them. Although, I don't know, Mero, he said he was into some scumbag stuff back in the day. No, I'm talking about Schaefer. So there's been a couple stories now about young folks knocking MAGA hats off of classmates.

classmates. I think this is an interesting debate because both examples of it happening that I'm aware of, the students got charged with battery. And there was one in a San Antonio Wendy's, where a dude ripped it off of a kid's head and it was caught on video. He also, I think, dumped a drink in their face. Yeah. And then in this case, a young woman named Joanne Butler could face battery criminal charges after she admitted to stealing a MAGA hat from a classmate at Union Mine High School in El Dorado, California. Why would you admit it, you ding-dong? But she was just like, yeah, i'm tired of having to go to class with people who are wearing

what is basically a symbol of hate and yeah racism i don't know if i can't i don't know if i can disagree with that like if if people were wearing like nazi hats like you would yeah i think the argument is like well just because i wear this doesn't mean this therefore blah blah blah but i think at the very least the school should realize that this is disrupting the student body by letting people wear these things. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure if some kid was rocking Antifa shit, there would be some group of shitheads who would try and fuck with that kid the same way. Well, I mean, look at it from this perspective. So, like, the schools already have a list of things because they're, quote, unquote, disruptive to the learning process of what students can and can't wear. Like, women in particular, it comes down on, like, we're seeing more and more young girls being sent home because they have shorts on or because they're wearing tank tops that the school is considering.

That is too revealing. Black women in particular have had their hair policed for forever. That's crazy. So it's like you can't say that the school already doesn't engage in this kind of behavior. And it's like we are in a political climate where like if you are from a marginalized community, if you're queer, if you're a person of color, if you have a disability, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, the way that you have to navigate life is with caution. And so for, for these MAGA chuds, it's like, well, you know, I'm being targeted because, you know, because of my hat. And it's like, well,

you have something that you can take off for these people. They don't. Right. That is their existence is a target. And so like learn a little bit of empathy, number one. It's like that reaction that you have right there and then with like, well, I just don't think it's fair because I'm a white male and I like – I should be treated this way. It's like, okay, that right there, you've identified the problem. Now just extend that to people who don't fucking look like you.

Right. Yeah. The white fragility is staggering. Yeah. Just in all cases. But they have to become victims of something for it to operate properly because they can't just be full-throated like, yeah, we're on top and I can keep this mega hat on. Well, there's really interesting conversations to kind of be had there in like a really nuanced way. So I was listening to this guy, Michael Kimmel, and he's kind of an expert on like on masculinity.

And he was talking about how like the promise of America or the promise of white America has slowly been stripped away because of capitalism, because of these multinational corporations. It's limited the economic freedom that white people once enjoyed. Yeah. And also I think it's just a function of this sort of late stage of capitalism that

the country's into, where, as you're saying, resources dry up, corporations are trying to dismantle the state in every way they can and pick apart the carcass of what was once a booming economy. And that, I think, limited opportunity, that's what allows now for people to be like, hey, it's not the corporations, it's these immigrants. Yeah. It's not the corporations, it's Black Lives Matter. It's not the corporations, it's these immigrants. It's not the corporations, it's Black Lives Matter. It's not these corporations, it's gay people.

You know what I mean? And these are all distractions for this diminished opportunity that everyone's feeling when really it has nothing to do with that. They're pitting people against each other. All you have to look up and be like, wait, who's actually doing better than everyone else? Because you can say, oh, I hate all these, you can be xenophobic and all this other stuff,

but you ask this person, are you happy with your job? Are you happy with your income? Are you happy with your access to health care, education? Probably not. And then and really understand who who's at the levers making those decisions that are affecting you at that level, too. Yeah. And so and so, you know, when we have like these debates and we have these talks and

people are like, well, it's class, not race. And I'm like, look, it is partially that. But it is also race. Because when you give racists money, they don't suddenly become not racist. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, it's funny, too.

Like you said, like in school, like I went to a school where my classmate, he had dreadlocks. And they were like, for years, they were trying to be like, you know, that's an unnatural hairstyle. It's unnatural. Oh, fuck yeah. There was a girl who was just sent home the other day uh where she was crying there was a video of her because they kept saying oh your your hairstyle is unnatural because she had you know she had she had locks yeah and the same thing i remember i couldn't have a fucking lineup or a fade in high school because

they're like uh you know that's that's too edgy or something i was like you're just trying to you just don't want me to rock my hairstyle the way I had it. I had a part once in high school. They were like, yo, you got to go to the fucking dean and shit. And I was like, fuck out of here. I came back with two parts the next week. Yeah. So let's maybe think about not letting people wear mega hats to school.

At the very least. Let's think about it. Clearly. It's causing problems. And people do it to antagonize people. It's not a fascist statement. It's to antagonize people of color in your class. It's a fascist statement, not a fashion. Ooh, fascistista.

I mean, it happened right after the election, too. And in school, kids were chanting Trump at brown kids because they knew it was intimidating. What that does, yeah. And how it causes distress to people. Yeah, so we can't even pretend that like, oh, it's just an innocent hat. It's just a hat. It's like, no, it's a symbol.

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football where like I don't really like college football or follow it but once college football season starts it like starts to feel like fall to me for whatever reason. Right. I feel like this is sort of a non-sport version of that for the consumer culture. A consumer-based signal that the seasons are changing. Yes. All the drinks are brown. And the sky is gray. Yeah. I mean, that's like the thing where you go, oh, shit.

That's right. Pumpkin. Okay. So it's fall. Yeah. I mean, since we no longer have seasons because of climate change, there are certain indicators like pumpkin spice. Oh, it's fall.

It's like the McRib. Oh, it's summer. Shamrock Shake. It's March. Yeah. Is Shamrock Shake year-round? Is Shamrock Shake year-round? Is Shamrock Shake year-round?

Only in March. It's only in March, right? Only in March. I'm glad some things are still respected. If they had a year-round, I mean, that to me would be runaway capitalism. I don't know. In this office, there's clearly people who fucking hate the pumpkin spice lattes, people who love the pumpkin spice latte.

To me, I don't really give a fuck. Drink whatever the fuck you want. Throw your money away however you want to. But we all know that the best seasonal beverage from a coffee shop is the Winter Dream Tea Latte from Coffee a coffee bean tastes like mulling spices i'm a big fan of the eggnog lattes oh hell yeah isn't that thing like so calorically dense so i didn't realize that until i looked at the calories and it's got like a hundred more calories than the pumpkin spice like the ones that are already famous for being calorically dense.

They're like, oh, yeah, we put an egg yolk and two extra pounds of sugar. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The eggnog is nice. I wish that they had – I wish they still had the apple cider. The hot apple cider was amazing. Oh, really? They just have straight hot apple cider? Apple cider, yeah.

And they put like a cinnamon stick in it. Oh, it was great. Watch out. See, we've got to put some on the stove. And they put like a cinnamon stick in it. It was great. Watch out. See, we got to put some on the stove. And like the pumpkin spice war debate, like I'm always going to err on the side of sweet potato. Like sweet potato pie over pumpkin pie. Oh, wow.

Sweet potato spice over pumpkin spice every single time. Damn. Could you imagine if there was a sweet potato spice latte? Does someone have that? If the idea is out there in the world in the South Make it happen Make it happen And tag me in it Yeah Let me get that yam latte

Big news Big news Big news The Dine and Ditch Dater Has been arrested This is a story We've been following For a while

For a while Do you know about this? No I don't know Amy What is wrong with you? Let me tell you a little bit About our man Paul Gonzalez.

He had a nasty habit of setting up like dates on Tinder or wherever, just setting up dates and being like, and this was all like in LA, like near Pasadena and stuff. He was saying, yo, let's meet up for a date, blah, blah, blah. He would be at the restaurant. The woman would show up. She'd be like, oh, should we eat? He's like, oh, actually, I already ate. But like, yeah, let's have something.

He would eat a meal with them and then like slyly sneak off to the bathroom and just run away and leave the woman there with the fucking bill like and sometimes it'd be like 90 bucks other times it'd be 250 and sometimes he would just be like no i'm not really hungry they'd talk for a second and she would be at the table and then he would just use that as an opportunity to leave uh because usually what he would do is show up hours before, just eat fucking everything. Like one meal he had four lobster tails or some shit. And he would just fucking,

then the table would be cleared, person shows up, he runs off, they get the bill. So this person has been arrested and now he's looking at seven counts of extortion, two counts of attempted extortion, and one count of grand theft. And I think the bills total up to somewhere near $1,000

or something like that. And if he's convicted, he could face up to 13 years in prison. Wow. For that. I had a friend who... Which, keep in mind, I think Paul Manafort

was only looking at 8 to 10. I know. What the fuck? Whatever. They're making an example out of it. Let's all put that into perspective, too. Right. They should take this guy and put him in I'm just, let's all put that into perspective too. Right.

They should take this guy and put him in charge of something. That's like a decent scam. Hey, you just changed that last name from Gonzalez to Manafort. Right, exactly.

Years roll back. Yeah. I had a friend who, she was like going on lots of like online dates for a while and she's just like, it's so great. And like,

you know, she's a super feminist, but she's just like, I haven't paid for a meal in like a week. She's like, I think I'm going to do this for a while. I was like, okay, but this is, but that was like, you know she's a super feminist but she's just like i haven't paid for a meal in like a week she's like i think i'm gonna do this for a while i was like okay but this is but that was like you know the he flipped it on him yeah but like the people she went on dates with like

consented to paying and they were fine with it but you just can't be like eating like no no no but like they didn't consent to yeah that's what i'm saying but like to sit there for hours before the date and gets there and then she gets there and he's like. That's so wild. It's kind of genius. I kind of respect that. I mean, it's a fucking finesse. It's a scam. Is he cute at least? No, he has a face.

How did he get so many people to swipe right on him? Well, he has like those eyes that you would be a little bit like. This could be the last thing I see with someone's hands wrapped around my throat. Oh, yeah. But I get it. I it I mean look he's got that kind of like those eyebrows those thick thick thick eyebrows he got those thick eyelashes he got that natural eyeliner look you know I mean blue eyes with real thick dark eyelashes he got green eyes I really respect the hustle though because he's just like you know what I've already eaten like so he's kind of acting like he hasn't

he's not hungry I know yeah but I can't imagine I went on a date with him and acting like he's not hungry. I know, right? But I can't imagine. I went on a date with him, and then he leaves, and I'm saddled with a $400 four lobster tail check. I would be pissed. Oh, hell yeah. Because also, he's not even that cute. Right. Yeah.

I'd even get scammed by a cute guy. Well, that's probably because I was wondering, why did he do the eating beforehand? Because then he's putting the risk in that they don't show up, and he's stuck with the bill. Yeah. So he does the eating beforehand because he knows they might be disappointed when they show up, and so he needs to get out before they get out.

Or he just feels like – or make sure – maybe he does a little research. Like, what's your job? She's like, I'm a lawyer. He's like, oh, let's meet at Mastro at mastros right this day like i'm about to go in the thing was his move would be like oh my phone's dying and he's like and i got it and i'm waiting for my call from my mom about my aunt who's really sick i'm gonna go to the car to get the charger real quick how did they find him i don't know well i mean they have pictures they have pictures. They have his picture. They have his name.

So they just put it out there. I think eventually they probably were just like, oh, you live there. They maybe just waited for him and just nabbed him up. But he also skipped out on a hair salon bill, too. So they had a Tinder date at a hair salon? No, no, no. He does this shit of just going in there and dying in dash. Yep.

Skrr, skrr. Just fucking sliding on out of there. Well, respect to you, Paul Gonzalez. If only your last name was Manafort. Yeah. Honestly, they need to have some lower level. The way that Catch Me If You Can, they took that dude who was the real life con artist and were like, we're putting you in charge of the FBI fraud unit because you're such

a scam genius. Scam lord. Like they should have some lower level version of that where it's like this guy has like ingenuity. Like they should put him into like some executive in training. Some weird version of Con Air or Suicide Squad. Low budget scammers. Yeah. Because that takes initiative.

There's plenty of people out there just being hungry. Led by Lacey Mosley. I actually want to be staffed on that because I have some ideas. Yeah. Oh, yeah. There you go. I think it's the same thing where I feel like sometimes I would be a better detective than detectives are.

Like, I know how to read people. Like, I knew this person was shady from the jump. I feel like, yeah, I want to just be on the scam squad. I feel like we have these skills. Scam squad. Scam squad. I don't think I'm a good detective. I think I i'm just good at like thinking of ways to cheat systems because that's yeah yeah i'm gonna expose my parents but like when i was little uh we used to go shopping

and we used to do an ssi scam you know what i mean put my brother's name on that but you remember how back in the day like this is a while ago but like they didn't really do barcodes as much. Like the register person would like literally type in how much it costs because it was just like a little sticker of the price. Oh, right, right, right. And my mom would like do the sly like sticker switch. Not because she didn't want to pay for it, but she didn't think it was worth that much. Oh, I like that justification.

Yes. And I was like, well, they're ripping me off. Yeah. And so I just remember thinking that being like, okay, this is okay then. You know, and like how to do it slyly and like get all the residue off or whatever. But we didn't do it all the time. It was just like on like things that- Hey, you're not on trial.

Don't worry. And also back before cameras were everywhere, what are they going to, they're not going to be able to prove that she switched it. So yeah, that shit just fell off. I just remember like, it wasn't even like, she wasn't even saving that much money. So I said,

I think it's also the high of the scam. Oh yeah. Or you do the shit, the Nike outlet story where you get the box and you put the other shoes in there for the cheaper shoes and you hope that they don't know what fucking shoe it is. They always open the box. Yo,

they didn't used to in the early nineties, mid nineties. They always open the box because of miles. That's why they cut the lid off the boxes. I feel like they can just see right in there. Anyway. In other food-related news. Yo, Scam Squad, coming soon.

You guys should start a scam podcast. I want to get in on that. Oh, yeah. No, Lacey and I have been talking about that. Scamcast. Oh, scast. Scast. That sounds weird.

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