The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 402 (Best of 10/6/25-10/10-25)

Episode Date: October 12, 2025

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Yeah. So without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist. Miles, we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat. by the author of the upcoming book, Humor Me, Humor Me, which comes out on January 6th. Right. You know, I did not pick the date. I did not pick the release date.

I said, I wrote a lighthearted book about how to laugh more, and they said, we got the perfect day for it. The January 6th. The funniest date in American history. Chris, we got you. Don't even, don't even ask. Here's what we got. 9-11 was taken.

We are putting this out on January 6th. You got 9-11, January 6th, or December 7th. A little more obscure, but a date that does live in infamy, no less. And they'll say that about this book. That's right. It is, and you are predicting that this is going to be the new thing that January 6 is known for. Absolutely. I'm taking it over.

When they say Storm the Capitol, they'll be like the Capitol bookstore. What are they talking about? Because I know that was the release date of the book that lives in Infamy Forever. Yeah, that's humor me. You know how we all remember the release dates of our favorite books? Yeah, that's right. It's available for pre-order now. the How to Be a Better Human podcast,

the National Academy of Sciences, Live Travel and Game Show, wrong answers only. Please welcome back to the show. It's Chris Daufe. Hello. What a joy. What a joy to be back on the daily side, guys.

I don't speak Scottish yet. Do you have any, are you able to push back at all when the publisher goes, all right, the release date is on January 6th? Well, they said, what do you think about this day? And I said, that's hilarious.

You're not serious, right? like broadly like historically thoughts well i was like that's kind of famous and not for comedy right and then they were like when we said what do you think we were like it's gonna come out that day just so you know and i was like all right here we go let's do it great i love to hear you uh hear you complain about it before we told you that that was exactly what it's going to be yeah it's very much the way that they asked like what do you think about this in the way that i ask my toddler like do you want to go home now it's like well the answer is yes you can say whatever we're going to do that yeah we're going to go home and you may

claw my face off in anger but yeah we we have to go now we have to go they told you on a call and they were like see i told you'd be fucking hilarious this guy's this guy's a riot and then there's some like other people listening in laughing anyways that's the date chris uh through excited to get it out there on yeah so excited the new independence day that's right the new independence day and i should say you know it i know that the daily zeit guys kind of skews politically left of course my book is a far right manifesto yeah yeah that's right yeah yeah We're trying to brand ourselves just as a centrist podcast in case they deem this show like some kind of anti-American propaganda outlet.

Oh, we're calling ourselves Republicans now. Yeah, we've actually changed our angle. Barry Weiss is our new editor-in-chief. And long may she reign. We can't wait to have Bari on later. It's going to be very hard. You know, let me also just say, I did think before I came on this, there's no doubt in my mind that when I get thrown in the gulag, these episodes will be a huge piece of the trial.

And I'm thrilled for that. Chris, here's the thing. We released so many of them. Even we can't keep track. Yeah, nobody's going to know. Nobody's going to be able to find these things. Oh, to me, that's a positive. The other thing, I got to get there faster.

We're not big enough. We're not big enough. Yeah, that's the other thing that we've figured out is that nobody thinks, you know, Trump's not listening as of yet. I love that being your excuse in front of the military tribunal. You're like, it really is not as popular as you're making it sound. I mean, look at these download numbers, my honor. It's just like you're basically about.

to shoot us for like a meeting with a few friends that we had quietly. This is so unfucking unfair. It was like an effective ad sales machine only for like certain grants and companies. Okay. Please like, oh no. Dude, there were there were black rifle coffee ads errantly running on this show. That's got to count for something. That actually does.

That absolutely does count for something. They're like, oh, actually. Oh, wait a second. Maybe that's the filter they use. Any show that had black rifle coffee ads is considered safe. And through that error, they're like, and this is, yeah. It is an incredibly, you know, incredibly damning indictment of the economy when you see, like, what the podcast ads are at that particular moment. Like, a couple of years ago was like, we're sending people mattresses and physical products.

And then recently it's been like, would you be willing to advertise like an injectable brain serum that you stick straight into your skull? And I'm like, I'm probably not. And they're like, okay, well, what if I like, it's powered by AI. Exactly. Oh, an AI powered injectable brain serum? Go on. What is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Well, I was trying to remember what animal or species evolved before sharks,

because I know that sharks evolved like a shit ton long time ago. You're like millions of years, right? Yeah, I was like hundreds of millions of years, if I recall correctly. And so I was like, wait, what came before that? And then I wound up on what I think is an AI website. It's called oldest. Oldest.org. So I was checking that out.

It was great. They've got a list. Some of them look like they could be right. Horseshoe crab, jellyfish, over 500 million years. Elephant shark, it says 400 million. But I don't know. And so I was like, oh, I'm going to do some more research and see if this is an AI website or not. And I think that it is.

Because the animal that you can see, the oldest animal you can see. you know, that's visible to the naked eye on this website. So like something post-bacteria or something that came after bacteria evolved, are tenophores, I think I pronounced that right, comb jellies. And on oldest.org claims that comb jellies experience about half of the same diseases that humans do. And I was like, I don't think that's right. They got a little colds? The combs got a little cold.

Like, wait a second. So then I had to do a deep dive into that. Do comb jellies have the same diseases as humans? And Google AI tells me, no. I couldn't find the research that oldest.org looked up or said, they're like, the NIH is doing research on comb jellies because they're trying to figure out how to, like, solve disease. And I was like, again, I can't find this NIH paper that they failed to link to. So anyway, I'm just trying to figure out, like, what animals evolved first? Yeah.

Because I couldn't remember. It's a shame that you end up on some, like, AI slop website that's clearly just, shitting out listicles. I'm looking at oldest.org and I'm like, oh, my God, what is this shit? And it's a little bit like internet 1990s, like circa 1998, like the images. And so it's weird because it's like AI slot plus like old timey internet. And I'm just like I don't know what to make. It's a familiar mashup of the old and new. Just making shit up on the internet. As the internet is what to do. I like how my cursor changes into a sparkly wand when I hover over the links like an old. Geo City's website of old. Horseshoe crabs are the most ancient looking thing. Like, when you look at those, you're like, oh, this is like out of... Old motherfuckers. Yeah, this couldn't look anymore like it was a first draft that is just like kind of still hanging

around. Oh, yeah, that thing. Yeah. You flip that thing over? It's like a fucking horror movie in there, man. Flip it back over, flip it back over. They always get flipped over on the Jersey shirt. or on the beach of the ocean city.

And it's just fucking gnarly under there. Because they live for a long time and they get barnacles and all these like other things like growing on them. Can you eat them? Horseshoe crabs? Yeah. Not that I've ever heard of.

They're mainly like plates and hard things. I don't think you'd want to eat a horseshoe crab. The one place I'm seeing a horseshoe crab thing is Bush Guide 101. So it sounds like you're probably not choosing to eat a horseshoe crab. Sure. Okay. Also, you're probably not on Bush Guide looking for this information. I think you got here going for something else. I'm on Bush Guide trying to go figure out what's going on with these crabs in my bush. Deserted Island guy is what I'm looking for. Reddit and Wikipedia. Like, that's the only thing that I like go to. There's just a R slash revolution or R slash evolution from five years ago. It has all the information that you need. And then AI. is just remixing that shit over and over again.

It looks like a website from 2008 because that is what they're remixing. They're just chopping it up. Oh, no, you can eat them entirely. Okay. I'm sure you could. I'd eat a Thai horseshoe crab before I ate at a New Jersey, like a Jersey Shore one.

That's for sure. Yeah, yeah. The Jersey Shore ones all have like drug problems and shit. Yeah, that's what it looks like. Tire rubber. They're high. Yeah, they're high on cocaine that gets left for the water. That's right.

But I, like, I saw one that was, had washed up and I, like, flipped it back over, and it just pulled a reverse. Like, it was just, like, looking at me and just, like, reversed into the ocean. Oh, like Homer Bush Giff? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was kind of cool.

Whoa. What's something you think is underrated? Okay, I'm, as an adult, I'm trying to learn a new language, which, you know, is something that I feel like you kind of stop trying to do after you take, you know, a second language in high school. Like, I learned Spanish and French

in high school and college. college. And I kept up with those a little bit, but not too much. But I'm just, I like Japan a lot. I've traveled to Japan many times. I think I mentioned on that on the podcast before. And I'm trying to learn Japanese. And it's really, really, really hard. But I just feel like I've always been interested in learning other language. And I just have been like, oh, it's too hard. And it obviously is. But I'm just like, you know what? I'm going to do it. So I'm working on it every day. And it's been really fun. Miles, you recently started taking lessons on Duolingo, right, for Japanese? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm doing it. I got a street going.

Do you know about gohan and you know about Mizoo and stuff? Gohan or music and I love to do a lot of I'm like to, maybe after, maybe 7 o'clock in a day of time and I was getting to-all-that. Andrew, you're getting all that? Some of it, you're learning a little language. That's awesome.

How long are you doing the dual lingo? Okay, so I'm 41 now, so about 41 years since I was born. My mother speaking it to me every day. You're native Japanese, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lifelong, yeah, yeah. You were born here, you were born in America, but you learned Japanese growing up. Anchor baby, you know what I mean. Okay, American anchor baby. Wow. My mom, yeah, my dad also, his family was also brought over here many centuries ago on boats. Wow. I believe from a timeshare tour that went terribly wrong from Africa in the 1600s.

Three-hour tour. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He got suckered into it. No, Japanese is great. great. I'm like, yeah, anyway, I'm like, it's, it's easy. Yeah, I mean, I, because I have a, I have a kid now, so I'm speaking Japanese to my son all the time because I've, so your kids learning, like being, yeah, yeah, yeah, he speaks Japanese because, you know, like, with my mom, it's, I was always, I was just talking about this with some of my family, or my in-laws the other day,

it was like, all my mom's friends are Japanese immigrants. So when I would go hang out with my mom's friends, I was always around just Japanese being spoken all the time. With my son, I'm really, my mom and are really the only sort of like inputs for Japanese. So like I have to try to really speak a lot of Japanese and like also try and get them to watch stuff in Japanese. That's so cool. I mean, he'll be quite thankful for that later. I definitely will identify with the learning another language thing because like I have like L.A. Spanish where it's like I can get by but I would love to like fully communicate in Spanish. And I'm always doing the same thing. I don't know. Dude, it's probably like so I know. It seems so hard. It seems so overwhelming. But it's like, well, you just have to start and then like

make sure you do it at least every day. Exactly. Have you gone to Japan with your kid? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. One of the first times you're able to travel, I went there. And now that he's, like, walking and talking and, like, has, like, able to have memories, I'm like, we've got to get you back there. That's awesome.

Yeah, it's a great place. He's online. He's online, everybody. He came online. We've got to get him over there. He's getting this. He tapped into the world and immediately. Mm-hmm.

But, yeah, learning new language. It's really overwhelming. I think it's, I don't know, it feels like a good use of time in your brain. Yeah, and your brain, for sure. Yeah, I guess. Undeniably great. What's something you think's overrated? The movie Shawshank Redemption.

Oh. Oh. Oh, deal. It acts like bringing up all kinds of supporting documents, I think, right now. What's the angle you're taking? Okay. What's your opening gambit here? First of all, I like any bit that is 20 years old, 20 years too late.

I think that's a powerful move. But I, look, man, okay, it's a well-made film shirt. And also, of course, it does kind of feed into the white male oppression fantasy that's so popular these days. But what's hilarious about it to me is there that, there's that scene with Morgan Freeman where Andy Dufrain goes and he wants to get the Rita Hayworth poster and it's in the cinema, you know, and it's supposed to be the. It's like very heartwarming exchange between two old friends. But clearly Morgan Freeman has to think that Tim Robbins' character is going to jack off to that poster. Right. You know what I mean?

They didn't show that part. Right. But the parts where Andy Dufrein is like walking out and disposing of dirt through his pant leg, like, that dirt is also accompanied by a great deal of comb. Yeah. So the voiceover should be like, Amme Dufrein loved to masturbate. He couldn't get enough. After 10 years, he needed a new poster, and he came to me. That was R. Andy.

Guys just constantly jacking on. All right. Well, fuck Shawshank Redemption. I'm fully sold on that. Are you a Green Mile fan by any chance? I've never seen it. I started to watch it. Me neither.

Yeah. And I do like Shawshank. I was like, I don't know. I've only seen this scenes where Tom Hanks has a hard time. taking a piss. That's mainly... And that's for a broader thesis that I have... You have a looping video clip that you watch for two hours and say,

I'm watching Green Mile. There's so many reasons. One, I like Shosh Night Redemption. Two, Green Mile is the climax of Tom Hanks' arc throughout his career of, like, having to pee, like, peeing being a key part of his character work. And then that whole movie, his entire character's point... is that he has a hard time peeing and then gets his penis cleared

by the hands of Jesus, the healing hands of Jesus. Yeah. J.C. And John coffee. Yeah. That's the only cult I would join, the one that teaches that. It's funny, though, too, gospel.

Like you were saying more like this, that like Shawshank's kind of like for like white guys because I remember the first time I saw it was like at a kid's sleepover. And they're like, you never saw Shawshank Redemption? Yeah. And I was like, I don't know, bro. And then I was like, okay. fine, but then I know

so many people who like, they ride for it. I mean, look, everyone has a movie that speaks to them. I just didn't. Sure. I didn't realize how much there are aspects of it where they like learn the, you know, they kind of learn empathy and that's nice. But then there's a, there is an overarching theme that feels

like a couple of things, which is hey, you know that like boring, mediocre white guy that you know, he's actually the greatest hero that's ever existed. Right, right. And then also like the one time a white guy went to jail for a crime he didn't commit becomes this like epic tale of

Oh my God. Did you imagine? Yeah, this like white businessman who are supposed to be like is this wholly innocent, whatever. But it's still, it's watchable, you know. Yeah. All right.

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I do just want to say, not that it's like holier than now, because I, so no blue slushies. Yeah, I think we actually have done slushies. I do let them vape, but it's like they can't do any of the sweet flavor. But they can't inhale. They can't do the sweet flavors. It's just pure tobacco flavors.

So they, you know. Yeah. Otherwise, they might get addicted. 10 milligrams in nicotine. It's an acquired taste. That's right. Tori, any update on the rapture, I know we've been waiting breathlessly

on the edge of our seats to see if there would be some sort of massive event that would make huge, Humanity on Earth, like, 40% cooler. Yeah. With the departure of all Christians. Rapturable Christian? Yes.

Yeah, rapture. Yeah. Eligible Christians because not all. There's an asterisk. Yeah. How is the on again, off again rapture experience been for you? You know, I am not someone who has rapture anxiety, but I did as a child for sure. Right.

Because I saw you post. I mean, like, I think most people. may or may not know you have an evangelical background. But when I saw the other day, you post something about your mom and the rapture, I was like, I'm going to bring this up when Tori's on the show again. Yeah. Okay, so there was a rapture warning in May of 2011. And some guy, yeah, some guy was like, I got the date, I did the calculations, here's the math.

May, I think it was the 11th or 12th of 2011. And, you know, my parents are big rapture fans, big rapture watchers. They, when I was a child, owned a book called 89 reasons. Jesus is coming back in 1989. You can look it up. You can get it on eBay. Damn. So they've been calling their show.

Oh, yes. Because that is such a bad idea for religion. I've always said, putting that shit on wax like that. Yeah. In print. Just a brief. Like, I am not, I do not study religious history. But the one thing I know is, like, when you're,

starting a branch of religion, that's the one surefire way to have people just like give your shit a stamped on expiration date. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah, absolutely. So that's how I was raised, right? It was with rapture watch. Yeah.

Pretty much all the time. Jesus could come back at any time. I was told for very clearly, in retrospect, anti-Semitic reasons, Jesus is going to come back during a Jewish holiday because Jesus was Jewish and he just wanted to make it all about him. Apparently, he's also a big dick. Um, and so. Uh, yeah, there was, there was a lot of chatter about that. And then 2011, you know, rolled around and I, you know, at that point, thankfully was a lot more skeptical. And there were billboards. I don't know if you remember this, but like Portland and Seattle at least had billboards that were like, the rapture's happening. May 2011. Give your life to Jesus where you'll get left behind. You'll burn in hell forever. And so my mom decided to in the group chat with all of, um, kids. She was like, hey, so the rapture's happening tomorrow. Here's my bank account and

mortgage information. See you never, apparently. So she knew. She knew she was going. And we were not going to make it. We weren't going to. And again, I think most of us identified as Christians at this point. So it was like, it was like the asteris like the got to read the fine print of like, you know, the Catholics are not going to heaven. Like let's just be real clear about right no Catholics no Mormons that's what really struck me about like a lot about when I was kind of

reading your posts about it right because like the funny like I went to Lutheran K through 8 and Catholic high school and like we didn't Lutherans aren't talking about revelations isn't some shit they're into but when I got to Catholic high school then I heard it and I was like the fuck are you talk like that's when I was like sir

what and like the version that I feel like we for people who are sort of outside of Christianity like that is like this very goofy thing. Like we've played this video before and I'll play it for you since you're here, Tori, of just like stuff like this depiction of the rapture. It's like, boom. Hold on, bro.

Don't scroll. This is the rapture and how it's going to happen. There's a guy with like, we just to describe to people who weren't listening last time. Yeah. It's like sim level. It's like the very first version of Grand Theft Auto. Yeah.

You know, that level of character animation. guy walking down the street and then he's just narrating like all these things that are happening in this video game reality acting as if he's narrating something like a news footage yes like this is news real but again this is the version i think is really funny that we always like laughing at because the version is like these people just get sucked off into the sky and leave their clothes trumpet sound check it out look it's crazy there's a light there's jesus boom clip art jesus Jesus returns. Boom. Boom. Look at that.

Look at that. The clothes are gone. Gone. Gone. Wow, y'all. Wow, y'all. The souls, the dead. Look at this baby. Look at this baby. Boom, gone. Boom, gone.

You know, like, in reading your post, you talk about sort of like the deeply violent version of how like a lot of real believers look at the rapture. Like, whereas me from the outside and being familiar enough of Christianity, it's like, yeah, you go to heaven. But they're like, oh, no, not just that. The others fucking suffer and die. And that's what I'm also here for. Oh, yeah. The left behind. Yeah.

If you get left behind, the theology kind of varies a little bit. But yeah, you will suffer. And there's a point, well, you'll suffer because God decides to pour out all of his wrath on the earth. So he's like, he's like, I haven't been here for a minute. I'm taking all my shit out on you guys. What was 9-11 then? We were told 9-11 was because gay. Mary, okay.

No, that's what it was, right? But, like, that's just, like, little, you know, it's like little tremors before, like, the real big one hits, right? And so, yeah, like, all kinds of, like, diseases, plagues, famine, all sorts of shit going down. And this is for everybody who gets left on the earth after all of the people get, like, yeated into heaven, who deserve the deserving people.

So, you know, like Donald Trump, those types. And so, Charlie Kirk. I think it's very important. I've just been hearing about this heaven stuff and I think it's very important, very good. He's obsessed with heaven, yeah. Because there's no other reason to be good. They say that's the only reason to not be bad

is because you want to go to heaven. Very important. No other reason not to be bad. Yeah, no. And so anyway, yeah, everyone's just going to be like having a real bad time and then it's going to get even worse so that like you can't, you want people to die even though you're suffering. Yeah.

So people will be trying. to end their own lives because they're suffering so much because of all the plagues and the famine and the war and the demon locus and like um you know what and and everything else and then people are going to try to like take their own lives and they won't be able to so it's just going to be like zombie land I guess yeah people are just like real fucked up just wandering around it sounds like being a vampire it's like wait I'm invincible it's super well except you experience a lot of pain you're still you so I don't know, that's a relative term. That's fair.

Like, I'm like the one guy. They're like, aren't you seven? I'm like, nah, that's cool, man. I grew up in the valley. It's so specifically grafted over Miles's kink. Every single one of these things is like playing directly into Miles's pain and invincibility kink. Oh, shit. My one question is what is the mood like after May, like June 2011, the next time you see,

your mom. Like, what, what is her mood like? What, what are, what can we expect from our fellows, the boom guy? Like, what, how's he feeling today? Now the rapture has not happened. Do they just move on to the next one? They're like, let's rejigger these numbers around. I love this. Yeah, no, I love this question, honestly. And it's really interesting because the failed rapture predictions, like, tend to make people believe it more, right? It's sort of like how if you're wearing your lucky socks and the Cubs lose, again, you're going to be more likely to wear your lucky socks next time than to go, oh, this didn't help.

They weren't dirty enough. I just needed to wear them longer and without washing them next time. So they're really, like, not affected by it. But again, I think that we're talking about a group of people, especially for like Christian nationalist types that, like, shame doesn't really factor in for them in a weird way, right? Yeah. You don't really make them feel shame. Yeah. And that's, I mean, it factors in, like, I wonder, I feel like there's, yeah, the, what they're giving the rest of us is going to be like, I don't care, you know, like, like, Ray J. Try and break them. Yeah. The Ray J clip where you're like,

try and break them speed. Okay, breaks them. I don't care. I don't care. Like they, they immediately like switch to that, but like there has to be something underneath where, because it does seem like that shame is a currency that operates in that belief system, right? So, but I guess it's like never feeling shame about what you believe or that you believe, right? Like, that's the one thing that you have. Well, I think it puts them further into the fold, right? It makes them circle the wagons harder, you know? So they're, I mean, if they're feeling shame, they're more likely to cut off people who they, who don't think the rapture's going to happen, then they are to stop believing that the rapture is going to happen.

Sure. And so it is, it is really weird and it becomes, it's not like a self-fulfilling prophecy, but it becomes this weird dynamic of like the, and you can read about this going back to the 1800s that people would predict the rapture. Everybody would gather on the hilltop. Yep. Yep. And then it was like, okay, nothing happened.

And then like entire churches and movements were born this way because of a failed prediction. Yeah, right. One guy predicted and like, you know, predicted a rapture that didn't happen. And 150 years later, we have the branched of Indians. You know? Yeah. That was where we got seven-stained. Literally.

Literally, that's what happened. So, uh, not great. Not great. I think we'll be fine. Okay. Boom. Boom. I think everyone would be happier if the evangelicals.

again got sucked off into heaven. Yeah. Everyone would be happier. They don't want to be here. Trump sounds. We don't want to be here. Boom. Boom.

Gone. Genitals. Speaking of Christian Nationalists and getting sucked off. Jesse Waters is either fucking Stephen Miller's wife or wants to fuck Stephen Miller or is so I don't know. There's something something is going on here. I can't tell like it seems like he is either genuinely attracted to Stephen Miller or Or like he's mocking him.

I really think it's like, or putting him down to make him look better to Katie Miller, his wife. Because again, we were talking about this maybe yesterday the day before. Just the timeline of how Jesse Waters has been talking about Stephen Miller, right?

The first one was a sexual matador quote that was about two weeks ago. When he had Katie Miller, Stephen Miller's wife on. And again, this can be seen as like a joke, but just, just, this is Stephen Miller, or the Stephen Miller's wife on Jesse Waters' show.

You are married to Stephen Miller. So you are the envy of all women. What is that like? The sexual matador, right? What is it like being married to such a sexual matador? Now, again, I think he had, so I think he had called him a sexual matador before on his show, on Mike, jokingly. So she's referencing. Oh, she's repeating.

She's repeating it. Okay. But like, it's not. Not a thing I would love my wife to be, like, doing on national TV is, like, mocking somebody who, like, mocks how. And, grant, I have the sexual charisma of an 80s TV sitcom dad. So I'm not like, I'm not like, you better say that I'm cool. They didn't call him Alan Thick for no reason, Jack.

Thank you. But it just feels like there's a real energy between these two and then just the laugh. even like right there's one version the if you're reading this like a salacious soap opera it's that they laugh about Stephen Miller as they are canoodling right but then there's a version where he's just like I don't know like the way he laughs when she's like the sexual mad ator right and he goes like well I'm like is it because you don't like what what's the point of this anyway he was back at this like weird uh Stephen Miller's too sexy for this earth uh sort of bit that he's been doing on the five. He kind of looks like right, said Fred a little bit. Yeah, a little bit if he was in the best, on his best day and like in, you know, if he was the most, yeah, preserved in formaldehyde for 28 years, maybe. So Tuesday night, Waters is on the five and he talks about like, they bring that, bring up that clip where AOC was talking about Stephen Miller and how he's like short and blah, blah, blah, and how Stephen Miller's like, oh, she's a train wreck, right? But I just want to play like, Stephen Miller or Jesse Waters,

this whole thing doesn't let go of this thing that Stephen Miller's so hot. And this is, I just want to, I'm just having such trouble wrapping my head around. Like what, what's subconsciously going on or just in his overt consciousness? But here he is talking about AOC and what she doesn't get about Stephen Miller. Sulted by AOC. No, I think AOC wants to sleep with Miller. It is so obvious. And I'm sorry, you can't have him. Miller, Miller is, The best. I know him well, socially, and the man is not overcompetating. Dana, I know when people are overcompensating. I know people at this table who are overcompensating. That person is me. Okay. So he goes on. He starts talking about like, this guy is, he's like, here's a deal. He's like, you got to understand something. Let me mansplain something to you, AOC, about Stephen Miller. And she lays out his case even further as to why he's so hot. The United States.

This is what IOC doesn't get about men. Miller is a high value man because he has power and influence, because he has vision, and he's on a mission to save this republic and protect Western civilization. He speaks with confidence. He's saying that like with the verb of like a true white nationalist, you know what I mean? He's like, he's mission-oriented. He's trying to save Western civilization. He's also saying it with a straight face on.

Fox News as people are audibly like belly laughing in the background. With the side by side of Stephen Miller, who is just objectively not hot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, he actually makes, this is weird because it's like, it's making Jesse Waters look way better than he normally does because you've got Stephen Miller's face next to him. And Stephen Miller is a scary looking dude. Yeah, like transparently so. And, like, the fact that the Fox News hosts are, like, laughing at him being, like, he's a high-value male.

He's super, he speaks with confidence. No, he does not. Yeah, and, like, so they think he's foolish? Like, come on, man, Stephen Miller sucks. Like, what's the laughter cover? Is it coming from the discomfort that he's talking about how attractive a man is? I don't know. Again, he continues.

Men who are high-value men like Stephen Miller take risks. They're brave. They're unafraid. They're confident. And they're on a mission. and they have younger wives with beautiful children. I think I just gave him like a dating recommendation. I don't know, man.

That was pretty creepy. You lost Gutfeld there. I don't know, man. I don't know, man. That was pretty creepy. I did not like that, man. Afterwards, like, they're like, all right, enough, Jesse. Then they ask, you know, the liberal Jessica Tarlow, like, for her take on everything that's going on.

And then Jesse Waters interrupts again to just bring up this thing about Steve. Like everyone's like, okay, fine, your dumb bit about how hot Stephen Miller is like is over. But he comes back around to it. If you can't sense the sexual chemistry that's oozing from Stephen Miller's beautiful face, then you don't get it. Oosing from you about Stephen Miller. I think that that's where when he says his beautiful face, like that's where it makes it clear to me that he, is trying he is doing a weird like cucking thing to stephen miller that but like he can't get in trouble because he's saying it with as straight a face as he possibly can't but like okay if you

if you want to be like he's the leader of our party and like that makes him attractive like fine but if you're saying that he his face is objectively yeah is objectively oozing sexual charisma You, like, that is, like, nobody is standing behind that with, without, like, at least a heaping teaspoon of a fucking. But then you're just taking open shots into that. Like, what's the point of this? Like, if that's the, that's driving the irony of a statement like that, it's like, well, I'm saying that because clearly he's hideous. Right. And.

Yeah, yeah. I have a theory, though. This is so interesting. Because you all remember when, like, Elon was shown up in the White House with the black guy and everyone was like, oh, it's speaking. because he's fucking Stephen Miller's wife. Right, right, right. Which was a great, I really like that rumor personally. Yeah, I loved it too.

But I think that it makes a lot of sense to me that Stephen Miller and his wife would be open because he is a hideous demon. And, you know, she's conventionally attractive, I think. She's also not that young. I think she's like, what, 36 or something? Right. So I don't know what he was, I don't know what Jesse was going on about. I think he was trying to sending a message to her. that, like, you're young, you're beautiful, you have beautiful children.

But this is, so, it is kind of a weird, a weird cuck dynamic, though, for sure. And I think that, like, maybe there was a tradeoff of you can sleep with my wife if you tell them how powerful and sexy, attractive and compelling I am as a human being. Right. Like, and that was, like, a fair trade. Like, I could see that being a fair trade to Stephen Miller. Yeah, because, I mean, that analysis in the context of we saw Jesse Waters talking to Stephen Miller's wife on his show

and she referenced him calling him a sexual Matador and they both burst into laughter. That's just, that's some cuck shit. Also, I would just like to say this is not appropriate for children. So like, why is Fox News sexualizing children by talking about this?

Thank you. They should be taken off the air because they're sexualizing children by exposing them to this. We don't have to we're not abiding to any kind of FCC regulations. So we can say whatever we want, including just outright lies and miscerm. Anyway, he's a sexual matador, and he's the hottest human being in the country. There's sexual charisma oozing from his face.

There's something oozing from his face. That's mayonnaise. That's mayonnaise. That's mannays. It's mannais, okay? He hasn't wiped to the mayonnaise. And it's just coming out of all of his pores. He went Winnie the Pooh on the fucking jar of mayonnaise, okay?

Put his whole head in there. It would fit. Yeah, he has a great head for sticking it inside a jar of mayonnaise. Manease jars, yeah. Yeah, it's like the perfect shape. Yeah. That's a great point. Let's take a quick break.

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And yeah, just a little checking with the kids with the kids these days. This is like where the AI stuff freaks me out is when it's just like, yeah, everybody's using it constantly in school. And it's most people are like, it's my best friend. Yeah. Yeah. This new survey just came out.

It said nearly one in five high schoolers say they or someone they know has had a romantic relationship with AI. 42% of the students in the survey say they or someone they know have used AI for companionship. One in five seems like too much. I mean, back in my day, just, your girlfriend was a guy on, a 40-year-old guy on AIM you met, you know. Exactly. That's the way to do it, you know, this AI bullshit.

Exactly. That's right. Or you just use your brain to make up somebody who went to school in Canada or Texas. You will never be able to meet, but you definitely, we did stuff over the summer, dude. So what is it? Is it that they're asking the chatbot about, like, help with stuff? And then how does it get, like, who takes it to the level where it becomes romantic or flirty or whatever. Is it the kid? Is it the chat bot saying like, oh, you're so smart.

Like, you must be handsome too. Like, what is it that's doing that? It is like a flattery machine. Like that feels, yeah, I was just reading an article about its use in like medical diagnostics. And it's like they, it does like come up with the right answer some of the time. But like sometimes it'll ask, like the doctor will ask it to come up with a diagnosis. And if it doesn't have enough evidence, it will just, like, make up evident. Like, it just, it's a yes and and flattery machine, where it's just like, it has a friendly vibe and it will, like, do whatever it can to, like, kind of keep the ball in the air.

Right. All right. Mr. Peterson, I've consulted my AI assistant. It looks like you are being attacked by, with spiritual attacks. Okay. That has nothing to do with your addiction. The addiction's actually what gives you power. Yeah.

According to this, it says, am I right? Yeah. But yeah, then it goes on to say that there's a connection between a school's AI use and a lot of these other outcomes. So says, quote, the more that the more ways that a student reports that their school uses AI, the more likely they are to report things like, I know someone who considers to be AI to be a friend or I know someone who considers AI to be a romantic partner because it's being normalized in the school. And they also said that like schools that are using AI more frequently are more susceptible to data leaks because you're giving it all kinds of information. and it's just opening it up for any kind of data leak exposure and also apparently correlates

with like there's a correlation with increased use of AI manipulated slash generated images and videos to like sexually harass and bully other students. And there's also another part of like when a school has like devices they own to let students use like a computer or something

they have like AI tracking software on it to see like how kids are using it And those like monitoring software, like that monitoring software has led to like false alarms or even like in the worst cases like arrests based on AI hallucinations. And they're like what the fuck is this? Yeah. So it's just kind of a it's it seems like it's it's all tied together and makes things worse. And then apparently there's another part of it too that students like educate this is from the NPR article quote educators who frequently use AI were more likely to say the technology improves their teaching. saves them time. But students in schools where AI use is prevalent reported higher levels

of concern about the technology, including that it makes them feel less connected to their teachers. Yeah. It's like a really powerful tool that even doctors don't quite know how to use yet without having it like make shit up. Maybe don't need to. I mean like kill the patient. And yeah, like it makes everything seem easier, feel more seamless. And it sometimes like fucks things up catastrophically. Like, people use it to, like, diagnose themselves. And, like, one person in this article, I'll link off to

and the New Yorker was, like, talking about how, like, they were trying to get a lower sodium diet. And they, I recommended, like, switching out salt for, like, a different chemical compound that is poisonous. Oh, my God. I had to go. They almost die. They almost, like, poison themselves,

like, had to go to the emergency room. Well, yeah, I mean, I think fundamentally, it makes things easier because it it's not concerned with being correct. Right. It's just concerned with keeping you talking to it. Totally. Things are hard because the answers for problems are sometimes not very clear.

And when its entire goal is to give clear answers, independent of whether or not they are right, then it's obviously going to seem easy. It's like, oh, that's easy, but it's like, oh, but that's actually not effective. Yeah. Yeah. To our point about Jordan Peterson, like, I'm pretty sure there was a case where an AI, like people were having conversations with an AI being like I'm trying to get over

addiction issues. Shouldn't I do like a little cocaine to make myself feel better just to like get through this? And it was like, yeah. It will agree with you to death. It's like Hollywood. It will yes you to death. Cocaine makes you the person we all knew you could be, dude. That's the thing. It takes your pre-existing, like the thing you want to believe and we'll just like keep going and going. Well, AI is probably the only entity that enjoys talking to someone who's high on cocaine.

Yeah, right, exactly. It's the only thing. You're like, oh, my God, this is great. You're awesome right now. Everything you're saying is so smart and cool. The AI's like, dude, you're giving me ideas. And I'm the AI, dude, go on. But I also was reading something,

I think maybe was it was This American Life or something I listened to, maybe you guys heard it as well, where it was like, you know, it was like convincing some guy that he's like a mathematical genius, It flatters you to the degree that you live in this fantasy world where you're like, oh my God, I'm coming up with theories no one has ever come up with because the AI is just

like trying to tell you you're cool and you're good when in reality it's all just like a fake weird fantasy world that like is playing it to people's delusions. I think that the funniest way I've seen it use is someone use it to do improv with it. Oh, I know exactly who you're talking about. Yeah, yeah. It's really cringe. And it was just kind of like, wow, this is wild. but also like, hey, you know,

had some good responses at least that were quick, kept the scene going. Yeah, I've seen that. It's a dark, has a dark future there. Yeah. Yeah. It's, I think the one thing, it seems fun to the people.

It is kind of like drugs in that it's fun for the people using it. And the people using it or is like, oh my God, this is like amazing. And then like the actual results are not good. Like, they might be good temporarily, but then it ends up, like, going not, it's not as good as it seems to you in the moment. Right. Right.

It's like taking a picture of what you're seeing when you're on mushrooms. Ain't going to come out the way that you remembered it, you know. Look at these 30 pictures I took of the moon. Oh, Jesus. There's a lot of focus. I meant that. I meant to do that. Or is that a street light?

You can't actually tell. All right. Well, everybody, like, I mean, it's being injected in the bloodstream from every angle. And so it's only a matter of time until they start making movies where AI is the hero. And by only a matter of time, I mean, this weekend, Disney is releasing the third installment in the Tron series, which began back in 1982. Oh, yeah, man. We've been begging for it. getting for tron 13 years man

I've been fucking screaming about it I've been camping out I've actually been camping out I've been camping out since tron two waiting for tron three they dropped the tron two on our ass in 2010 like and nobody was asking for it and nobody like the response was like yeah

I don't know that's all right I'm good no yeah yeah it looks like yeah I can see how like why you guys are you see the cycle the like the bike they were on that's pretty cool right The lights are cool, for sure. For sure, the lights are cool.

It's like got screen saver vibes, like really cool screen saver. We're just like, I don't know if I want to see a whole movie like that. And they were like, did you hear that? We should make a third one. So we're getting Tron Ares, which critics are calling mind-bendingly dull. Ah, fuck. They had for the first like handful of syllables there. A couple words are pretty good.

Yeah. People do, they did get nine-inch nails to do the soundtrack. and people do seem to like that. So it's getting bad reviews, and those bad reviews are inflated by a good soundtrack. Yeah. Which, that's tough. The basic premise is,

what if AI was Jared Leto? Okay, so problematic? No, no, no, no. But our version, the film executive's version of Jared Leto. Okay. Miles, earlier, you were saying you can't get enough of Jared Leto shit. You love this shit. I know, I know.

go, I go back and forth on him. I'm into basically everything Jared Leto except for the allegations, but everything else I'm super into. Everything but the allegations. That's right. Those I don't fuck with. Yeah, I don't fuck with the first time I'm saying this, but separate the art from the artist.

I do, I do demand we do it with Leto. Yeah. But yeah, so let's just quickly go through these allegations. He was accused of, quote, predatory, terrifying, and unacceptable behavior towards underage girls, but that was all the way four months ago. Oh, fuck. Four months? This is another, I remember like a few years ago.

It's just happening. It's been happening. It's really deja vu. Every time it happens, I'm like, I thought this already happened and we all agreed he was bad, but it's like, it doesn't really seem to stick. Yeah. Right. Seems to be a pattern of people alleging that when they were 16 years old, he would approach

them, be like, how old are you? They'd be like 16. And he's 36 at the time. and is like, cool, perfect. And then would start corresponding with them on email. I feel like there's another word for that. Yeah. Grooming?

Groom. Yeah, I don't know. No, that's the word for like people who are Mary Brides. I don't know. Grooting? Groot. I am Groot. I am Groot.

I am Groot. I am Groot. I am groom. And, you know, would float, like when they turned 18, would try and initiate something in some cases. Sometimes you wouldn't wait for that. One of the people that he just approached on the street when they were 16 was invited to stay at his house and he walked out of a room completely naked

when she was 17 years old. So just like a lot of the many allegations coming out. What's wild is that like that same woman said when she turned 18, then he was like pulling his dick out and masturbating. Pulling his dick out and yeah, yeah. So he is. So anyway, he's AI.

Right. So, any, also, we should just, those 30 seconds to Mars fan retreats that, I don't know if you've seen the pictures, but they look like stills from midsummer. Oh, no. Was there just a bunch of young girls and stuff? Everybody's in white. There, it does seem. It's like all kinds of fans. He's there with many.

Yeah, doesn't necessarily seem to be like limited to one age group. It's anyone stupid enough to want to do this. He would reportedly hold contests at those retreats where, in which the prize was literally sleeping in his bed with him. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. 30 seconds to 18. Yeah, holy shit. That's a new, that's a new, that's a step off word.

Okay, so let's put all that aside, Jack. Put all that aside. I'm trying to be in the role of a Disney executive here. Put that aside. Put all that aside. Now what's the movie about? The movie is actually pretty cool. I don't know if you saw the trailer.

I did see the trailer before one battle after another on an IMAX screen and I was like, whoa, those lights are cool looking. That's how they recommend watching the trailer. Yes. The villain is a billionaire tech CEO who wants to 3D print AI Super Soldiers. The hero is a billionaire tech CEO. Okay. So different billionaire tech CEO.

Love the message. Who wants to use AI as a force for good. At one point, the good billionaire tech CEO played by Greta Lee for some reason. and questions if the AI is made, what if the AI's major malfunction is just benevolence? Like, what about that, though? Which goes perfectly in line with all the stories we're hearing about AI.

Wait, why did you say Greta Lee for some, like, what's wrong with her plan? I just wish she was, no, I mean, she's great, and I just wish this wasn't the movie that. Oh, she's having to be in the problematic AI sex predator. Greta Lee, get your bag, yeah, yeah, I don't, you know. If you're her manager, you say, hey, I don't. Maybe we can, I don't know if this is the one we need.

Yeah, it's probably going to be. Which I wish this wasn't the project, but, you know. This is the thing that sucks, though, too. It's like, you have, like, women of color in a movie, but then fucking Jared Leto's in it. And then watch, people aren't going to go. And then they're going to blame Greta Lee. And they're not going to blame that, like, Disney for casting Jared Leto in it. You know what I mean?

Right. It seems like, go woke, go broke rather than, like, we kept this, a guy of dubious moral character as, like, the Lee. or one of the lead. And they keep trying to make it happen. Like, what was the learning from Morbius? People are like, uh, people just aren't morbin this time, I guess. I don't know. The kids just ain't morbin like they used to, man.

Okay, so you got the two billionaires. What happens? Then they, so Jared Leto is like AI that escapes. It's like, what if AI have human body? And then what if AI, you know, the world of Toronto is like, computer programs like it already presupposes like computer entities with cognition so I don't even know like how this adds anything right but the overlay is just like the good guy is an AI basically yeah that's like that other there was that other movie was it JLo I remember watching what that Netflix one that was one of the early ones when it was about like if until we embrace AI like the whole sort of moral story the arc was like until she embraced AI, she couldn't live to her full, like, world-saving potential. And you're like, Jesus, get out of here.

So this one is more just like, see, tech CEOs are good. Yeah. And like variety has a weird review. Half of them are good. Half of them. Yes. Half are evil, though. Half are good.

Yeah. We just need the good tech CEO. Yeah. To say much. Do we not like him anymore? This is from the variety, the variety review, which, as we've talked about, Variety was the one that was like sinners may look like a hit, but not so fast. Yeah.

Not so fast. Ryan Coogler is black. They're like, wow, they really wrote that shit in there, huh? They review of this. Compared with such a trite fear of where technology is taking us, the second theory is a refreshing alternative to the kind of anti-innovation hysteria that fuels so many sci-fi movies. What if AI could actually be a force for good? Or as MCOM CEO, Eve Kim, Greta Lee puts it, what if?

If it's major malfunction, it's just benevolent. So they're like fully on board variety, which makes sense because they're, you know, part of the industry. But this makes sense, like it makes sense that they would try and create a work of like pro AI propaganda. Disney's already announced its intention to use generative AI in, quote, upcoming movies and TV shows. And at one point, Tron Aries was going to include an AI generated character who would have been Jeff Bridges' sidekick. But then they were like, we had to scrap that plan because we were worried about bad publicity. I guarantee if it was cool and didn't suck shit, they would have included it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It must have looked like shit. Yeah, don't worry, forget the bad publicity about already doing like AI apology and being like, this is actually really good for everyone. This is the way forward. That's not the bad look at all. It's the, in cases didn't look bad enough. Elon Musk gave the trailer his endorsement and then one of his Tesla Optimist, AI robots just walked

to the red carpet at the movie's premiere and then it pretended to spar with Jared Leto. That was the thing that actually happened. Serve him a subpoena for a lawsuit or? No, no, just. Was it doing Kung Fu? Like the last time we saw that

Optimist robot? Yeah, exactly. Oh, hell yeah. Oh, I do. Clearly just a person. Is it doing the same fucking choreography that we saw in that one video and they were trying to make it seem like

this fucking thing was a real, let me see here. Wait, it is kind of doing same stuff yeah dude i almost want to side by side right the video that we saw when uh elan said this thing was doing kung fu okay this is so dumb and this sucks jesus christ dude what is wrong with us it's really fucking rapture us already my brain is dying watching that also i think last time i said it looked like a 45 year old trying to do kung fu it looks it looks

looks like a 70-year-old trying to do. Like, it's not steady on its feet in any way. And Jared Leto has no stake in AI either, right? Yeah, so Jared Letto also a producer on Tron Aries and an investor in two generative AI companies. Oh, really? Wow, I didn't know that. Yeah, not going to shit where you eat, huh?

All right. Wow. Okay, okay. Cool, cool, cool. It's funny, too, because I've seen the reviews have been really split and not really based on, like, the morality of it or anything. People were just like, it looks really cool. And other people like, this thing is fucking so bad.

So I wonder how much, I wonder how the public will decide with their ticket buying this weekend where they end up. I just also, I didn't even know. With your wallet for Tron areas. I didn't even know this was coming out until like last week. I saw someone like, oh, God. I think also because I'm just not, I'm not being exposed to like marketing campaigns on TV as much as I used to be. You're also not as deep on the Jared Leto Reddit forum as I am. No, I mean, for years, okay.

Once they kicked me out as a mod, I was like, Yeah, yeah, you were over it. This place has gone woke, man. I'm out of here. Yeah. The Latonisance is upon us. Yeah. The Leightonisazons.

All right. That's going to do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist. Please like and review the show. if you like the show means the world to miles he needs your validation folks I hope you're having a great weekend and I will talk to you Monday

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