The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 448 (Best of 9/14/26 - 9/18/26)

Episode Date: September 20, 2026

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These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment, laugh stravaganza. So without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist. What is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? Oh, man. recently I have been on a deep dive I'm going camping soon up in Wyoming like next month it's going to be cold I have been on a deep dive for like

it's going to sound weird right like down trousers like not quite MC Hammer stuff but like we're getting close like warm warm pants yeah this is I spend far more of my life thinking about what to put in my backpack than I think

anybody realizes like I'm, I'm out there with, packable, uh, light, light, maybe quick drying. Yeah, I'm, what I'm really concerned about like, uh, I don't like buying down products, because I think they often come from treating animals like shit. Mm. Especially ones that like they're in my price range. So, uh, I like to get synthetic down. Well, I could just like ripping the feathers off basically. They have to be dead to rip the feathers off. It's not like a sheep wool situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, Yeah. How do you get those feathers? Yeah.

They grow back? Yeah. That does work with wool. There are like wool puffies. But no, they kill the duck or the goose, right? And then sometimes they treat it with like a DWR, which is a whole other thing. I've been on a deep dive about PFS recently and the stuff that we used to use to waterproof clothing and how bad that was for the planet. Aren't they saying like, it's like, man, if you've ever worn Gortex, yeah, you're covered.

Like there's like so many like the old school waterproofing stuff. It's like, trust me, you're not getting away from this shit at all, especially if you like waterproof shit. There's, um, there was a study that I'm doing a podcast on this. I'm so glad you asked. There was a study that I read where there were two lakes. And one of the lakes had a great deal of outdoor recreation, right? It's in a rainy place. And the other lake did not have a great deal of outdoor recreation.

And there was PFAS in the fish in the lake. And they are, uh, suggested that it comes from the waterproof clothing of, of the people who were going to recreate at the lake. And the lake where the people were actually recreating. Yeah, exactly. The recreation lake had the higher PFS. Like this stuff is really bad. And we've known about it for so long.

I'm talking like 15 years ago, Fuel Ravan, the one with the little fox. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. They stopped, they tried to remove PFS from their line in 2009 because they knew it was bad, right? And they made a lot of progress and they were way ahead of everyone else in doing that. But the entirety of the rest of the outdoor industry was like, nah, fuck it, man, we're printing money over here with this vortex stuff. Like, while doing all there, like, you know, like, there's a lot of virtue signaling that goes on in the outdoor industry.

And this is one of these things that makes me wonder if maybe capitalism is not compatible with living in the planet the way we like to live on the planet. Right. It's one thing I've, I just over, I was just doing some research on Senator Chris Coons. I don't know why I was reading something. about him like a while back. And his stepfather is the guy who comes from the Gore family of Gore Tex. Oh, wow.

And I was like, oh my God. But it's like wild to be like. And killed everybody who uses it. Yeah. Robert Gore is his stepfather who and like that company huge in developing like, how do we use polytetrophluoroethylene, PTFE and stuff? Yeah. And that's like other.

I mentioned other DWR co-dings, but that's the one that's a brand name, right? Right. Yeah. If you're buying Gortex now, just so people know, the EPE membrane is PFS free.

So the new stuff ain't going to be PFS. If you're buying stuff cheap right now, like outdoor clothing, all these brands are dumping their PFS stuff because they can't sell it anymore. Oh, shit. So there's a lot of stuff that's going on sale,

and that stuff's going to be out and run around for a while. and it's also hard to argue that I want everyone to throw away their shit by a whole new thing because that's wasteful too we just yeah we're gonna put so we just really need like a rubber slicker like a fucking like a fucking you're on a boat like that shit

yeah yeah yeah yeah wax jacket I have a wax jacket it's a very British choice not breathable in the slightest no no you'll steam your body hole in that thing you're like a jacket potato and you take that bad boy you're like oh my whole all my skin's wrinkly

You're chest Like a thumb in the bathtub Yeah Mo what's something you think's underrated Okay Oh it's so funny Yeah so I would say Underrated is

Buying multiples of something you like So like Like Camaro's Yeah Like McFarrens Thunderbirds Of course Of course

I know I had to fill my garage I got doubles too Yeah of course My thing is, so I like, it's, I don't mean it present it in like scarcity or like the, the meme where it's like, I love that. I'll have 14 of them. Sure, sure, sure. But I have been regretting. So the, oh, you asked me about these.

Milesman time asked me if these were Gucci. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I was like, yeah. Yeah, it makes people ask you if they're Gucci. They make me about them with their Gucci. I know that. I love that.

That hardware. Oh, my God. And so it's, I bought, I bought three of them at the time. And this is Target, 2000. 22, so pre-rollbacks. So even, but here's the hard part. Even if I wanted to, you know, support, which I don't want to rent right now, I couldn't because they stopped making them.

And I knew I was going to like them because I bought one pair. I'd walk through him in about three months. So then I went back in about three more and I had them. And I'm on the last of that. Your last. And I'm just not, and so I regret not buying multiple, multiple multiples because I'm knowing myself. And I don't think, I don't mean it in the way of like, I don't like to choose.

I'm Steve Jobs. I hate variety. I love variety. Like there's something. You just love it. No is yours. Yeah. You know you're going to use.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I had pants like that before fire. Yeah, yeah. Oh, man. These are good pants.

Pants are a little bit easier. Are you on a journey to find those kind of pants right now? No, no. Very quickly I was like, anything is pants. Okay. If you need them to be. Anything is pants. Wait, wait, wait.

Can you roll that back for a second? Sweat shirts. Seran wrap. Yeah. T-shirts. Those can all be pants. That is actually true. Yeah.

In illegal context. No, just more like. Sorry, Jackson. Sorry, Jackson. Yeah. Surran wrap. I think it was just more like the idea that like things felt irreplaceable. Yeah.

Was just sort of like it's like sort of like your relate. I had to kind of like go through reevaluate my relationship to certain like objects. But then I realized like it was about like when I got them and how I got them that like sort of yeah, that was much more than like the comfort. That's why shoes I think that's why it's completely different than shoes when like you know when a shoe feels good. Yeah. Or shoe feels like shit. It's not often like these damn pants have cut up my legs so bad. Right.

It's a little bit different. I actually think an interesting thing that you are exploring through that experience because I'm wondering where that sort of detachment from materialism and like sensory stuff match. Do you know what I mean? Like, because I think that is a lesson from losing a lot. But then there's also that like there is value in being attached to the things. Yeah.

Or like you just you're, if anything like more intentional. Yeah. That's nice. That's really what it is. Because it's like, because also too, like there's something liberating about fucking losing all your like having no more shit yeah and speaking of shoes yeah yeah like what i've so yeah like like just all these things i'm like that's kind of like glad like sometimes you think i'm like i've accumulated all this shit that i don't do anything with yeah and then it becomes stressful and then

like why am i like why like why do i have all this shit and then like when it all goes away then you're like ha time to rebuild that or something or just rethink what that yeah relationship is that's beautiful that is beautiful what is kirk we'll start with you what's something you think It's overrated. Overrated? Oh, man. I don't even know what people like anymore. I would say the term touching grass, I think, is overrated, or at least overused.

I don't like it because it doesn't, to me, function in the way that it should. Like touching grass is the idea like get out into nature and like, you know, stop looking at your screen. but grass is just in suburban lawns. Like I don't like to just go and sit sit in your suburban lawn and touch the lawn. Seems like the absolute opposite of the thing we want people to be doing. There I did it. Now what? I still can't stop scrolling Instagram.

Yeah, that's a place you go to scroll Instagram. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's like right. It's meant to remind people. it's like, remind yourself of the real world outside of your outrage screen that your phone has become, do that. Which just feels like, just be like, hey, guys, the phone sucks.

How about that? Ignore the phone. Ignore the phone. And also, like, if that's the function of it, right, to remember that there's the real world, like grass is the worst example of the real world. Grass is like a single species. They ripped everything out of the ground and then planted a single species that they can control. Right, right. Like, it is the exact opposite of the real world.

Nature should be a carpet. Okay. Everybody agrees. Exactly. And also, speaking of things that just guzzle so much water. So much. Yeah, yeah. Oh, man.

I think I've probably a thousand gallons of water has gone into four tomatoes for me this season. Go touch up all this thing. Testical size. Go touch a pine tree that's like at least 300. paces into the sir into the edge of the woods how about go to an old growth forest you know we're gonna get a real technical you know of what's left in a old growth forest yeah yeah don't film yourself doing it if you're telling everybody touch grass and then you're showing videos and clips and photos of yourself touching

grass you're missing the point of the thing you're but you're the most depressing version of what we're talking about people love to brag about being out nature just go experience it it's totally fine we don't need to know Does the grass need to be real? Can it be astroturf? These are the questions that the kids are asking. Scotty, how about you? What's something you think, or some things you think are over here.

Here is my list. And it's funny, right before we hopped on, we talked about the woman who couldn't survive running her Ultra CrossFit Super Marathons. So I wrote oysters, award shows, champagne, and marathons. Wow. Okay. So I'm happy to focus on any of those.

I think I'm with you on, I used to love oysters so much. And now I don't care about them anymore. They were like so big. Like I remember in L.A. too. Like, huge. Like 10 years ago, like fucking everywhere. I'd be like, yeah, we also have oysters on a halfster. I'm like, this is a burger place.

Miles, it's worse now. There, every other corner there's a store with oyster. And happy oyster on, you know, on the half shell. And I like oysters. I think they taste great. I think a fried oyster po-boy in New Orleans is delicious. Best one. I just think we're flying too close to the sun here.

I think every menu has oysters. I don't think the people shucking them and prepping them necessarily know what they're doing. I think seafood's flash frozen everywhere. So I don't even think it's a coastal thing. I think in the middle of the country, they're serving too many in Chicago. They're serving too many everywhere. where they just feel like a status thing. They used to just be a working class food,

like a source of protein. And people make such a big, and now they're expensive. Oysters used to be quarter oysters at Acme Oyster House, and now it's like $3.00 in some places. So yes, I think oysters are severely overrated, even though I do think they're delicious, but I just don't think, I think I'm done with oysters.

Yeah. They've become something else now, yeah. And champagne, right, also famously a drink of the people. that became sad as simple. I just don't know anybody. I have a few friends that order champagne or will show up to a party with champagne, but I really don't know anybody that just loves champagne. And I think popping a champagne bottle is great.

I think it's the most fun way to open any liquor bottle. Yeah. But it's an event. It's an event. Sabering it's even better. But I just think it sucks. I think champagne tastes fine. Yeah, I go you mean.

Yeah. I think it's weird. I think when every wedding has that same little one-out champagne toast that you clink four times, like I think that should be a specific drink for the couple that they like, even if it's like. It just feels like. Should always be malort. You're just sitting there being like, these are not champagne people. This is an eggnog crowd.

Yeah. Yeah, oysters are just too, they're everywhere and they've become so. ubiquitous, they're no longer special or interesting, and, yeah, champagne is overpriced. And I don't know anybody that truly enjoys it. No, I only know people like who, like, my mother-in-law is like a person I think of. But her thing is she loves free champagne. Like if someone's like, there's some place is like, yeah, it's free. Like, it's the grand opening of things.

She's like, oh, hell yeah. She's there. Yeah, she's there. She loves it. Slig mapping it out. But it's like smart. I'm like, I get it. Because for you, you're like, I don't like,

Like, fuck paying a bunch of money for champagne. Like, if it's free, even if it's like shitty, sure, in that context, I like it. But, yeah, interesting. Free champagne is, I think, I think the best champagne. We can all agree that that's the best champagne. That's the only one. It's free.

And if it's being given out, you know, if it's being poured well and you're getting more than one glass, then that's probably the only time you're getting drunk on champagne. Yeah, free alcohol is great. Yeah. I will say it is. It is the exact opposite of eggnog is a thing that you can drink. You mentioned eggnog.

You drink, you burp up a little eggnog, still tastes delicious. Champagne, the worst tasting thing. Like, it tastes, however, going down, maybe fine, depending on your mood or your preference. But, oh, my God. It always reminds me of, like, the liquid that kids used to blow bubbles, like that's soapy liquid. For whatever reason in my mind, I associate that with Champlain. Really? Yeah.

Also, speaking of everything. Eggnog, it does feel like eggnog is slotted in the wrong holiday. It feels like eggnog should be slotted into Halloween. Yes. Because it feels like a Halloween drink where it doesn't feel like a Christmas drink. Does anybody agree with it. Like Christmas drinks seem like minty, maybe. An eggnog is just milky and sweet like candy.

I feel like it should be pushed into the fall instead of the freezing winter. It's hard for me to weigh in on this because I drink a year round. I'm like, yeah, I can see that too. That's cool. Oh, yeah. Summer Nog. I came with my classic Fourth of July Nog. Love it.

You know. Also, fake eggnog, like silk and the ones that are made out of so. It tastes great. It's one of the best, not real things. It's hard. It is very difficult to fuck up. Yeah. Eggnog.

Yeah. I don't think I've had eggnog where I was like, this is bad. Oh, yeah. My grandpa, when you would make it in the holidays, he would just put in as an ice a tub of vanilla ice cream. Yeah. In the bowl. So then that slowly integrated over the party into it.

And that was a whiskey? Yeah. A little makers in there. Forget it. That's a champagne killer right there. Yeah. Guys, just dump a fifth of whiskey. Dump a fifth of whiskey on top of a carton of vanilla ice cream.

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No one played it. Never dropped it in the chat. Yeah, it's really sad. Why does this feel like hanging out with my older male cousins? Hello? You bullied me. I bully back. Mary, in case you're wondering about our dynamic, Mayor, I do have to retell this story.

I got out of a recording of this very podcast at our studios in Los Angeles. And waiting in the waiting room was Paula V. Ginalin. who was about to record an episode of Molly's World, great show. And we had a great conversation, maybe five, ten minutes. And then I think you were standing up to go record. To the rest of the room. I walked past you.

Okay. You walked directly past me, shoulder to shoulder. And then you're like, God, I just have the urge to make you flinch, like raise my fist and make you flinch. I don't know why I said it, but I think it was brave. It was really brave and it really captures the energy that I bring in person. Nice. I have the urge to bully you. Yeah, yeah.

I think that's beautiful. Yeah, it was really nice. Cards on the table, you know? Cards on the table. I want to give you a swirly right now. Great way to open a meeting. Lauren, cards on the table. I really want to give you a swirly right now.

Yes, I do wigs. but goddammit do I want to give you a swirly my man I'm gonna come like Miles is gonna come to the studio and just see Jack hanging from a pole with a wedgy and he's gonna be like Polyvie was here wasn't she Polavi yeah I got Polavid yeah you poison Miles you just hang me from a flagpole by my underwear yeah and it my underwear does stretch up and down like it's a

bungee cords, like in 90s movies, where somebody would get home up there. Anyways. What a card. Beating our asses. Are any gamers in the chat? I'm a little bit of a gamer. A bit of a gamer.

I play mine games. Yeah. I play like baby games. Like I play Star Do. Patty cake. And Patty cake. My mind was fucking blown. by who the Baker's Man was.

Yeah. Yeah, he never would have guessed who the Baker's Man was. Incredible reveal. Completely disappeared. So Star do is stuff like that. So you're not dealing with Sony PlayStation because in the past few. That's mostly like shooting people in the head, right? Wait, is that not what Star do it?

Star do values? I thought. No. Oh, okay. Isn't it like PlayStation and Xbox is all shooting people? I think that's definitely way more. Yeah, way more common on like the, yeah, Xbox and PlayStation, the shooters. They're like, I don't understand this Mario Brothers game.

Why didn't he shoot the mushroom people in the head? They've got big heads that are completely unprotected. There are a giant bullets in that game, though. America. America. What if it was different just for the U.S.? Like they did have guns in the U.S. In Australia, they don't.

In the past few weeks, Sony has made a handful of announcements that range from kind of your typical greed you can expect from a large media company these days to something that people are describing as possibly illegal. So we're going to just run through a couple of them. One thing they're doing is dynamic pricing, which what a fun word for such a fucked up practice. I know. This is something that we let airlines get away. Like the fact that people are pointing this out about other industries has made me be like, wait, why do we let airlines do this also? Where it's just like they change the price based on who you are and where you are and what they. This is the real diabolical thing, what they know about you, which is it turns out a lot.

The dynamic pricing, don't think, aren't they starting to try to roll that out at like grocery stores I thought I saw with the electronic pricing? They are. Yes, exactly. I think it's going to be harder in person where they're like, okay, here, you can shop at this Kroger's Ralph's, but you have to wear this electronic necklace. I'm like faking out that I want a salad, but really I want carrots. Right. I'm like dipping and dodging. Yeah.

This eye tracking device that goes around your neck. But they did recently make an announcement. I think Maryland is issuing. some legislation proposed to protect people from dynamic pricing when it comes to groceries. But that's the sort of like piecemeal bullshit that we have protecting us, you know, where it's like, this state can try to protect this very specific industry from doing dynamic pricing, where it's just like, what if we just said you can't do this? But anyways, with regards to gaming, Sony announced back in March that they were beginning a pilot program where they would

implement a dynamic pricing model that would give different discounts to different customers based on their buying patterns. And they, so there's, yeah, like I was saying, there are like some consumer protections that are popping up against this. The Consumer Protection Commission of Ireland has taken legal action against Ticketmaster for doing this. This got a lot of attention when OASIS tickets went on sale in the summer of 2024. And they were like, whoa, a lot of people want this. And the prices all of a sudden went up. But here, what they're doing, like I said, that's very specifically fucked up, is that if you are a loyal customer, it's like a reverse loyalty program,

where if you're like logged in and a loyal customer, you get charged like $19. And $24 for a thing that would otherwise cost $11. And. What fuck? Yeah, and same thing. Like, yeah, there's like a bunch of different games that they're doing this on. So if you, you have to like hide who you have to hide that you've ever bought this before or otherwise there.

Paul, you'll appreciate this. I'm going to charge. Bullie you. They just start like pushing you in the chest and they're like, you know you want it. Give me your lunch money. You know you want to slap it up, you little piggy. Jesus. I just start charging like $15 to, because I don't.

have any gaming activity or any loyalty. So I'm going to get a little, a few dollars off the top. Yeah. And it's cheaper for people. Right. Yeah, yeah. And then, all right. So another thing they're doing is they told players that they don't own digital games.

So when you buy a game, oh, you thought we meant like buy. So there's a reason we're starting to put purchase and buy in square quick. In Scare quotes. Yeah. Wow. There's a reason that as we read the terms of use, we're making a jackoff hand motion the whole time. But yeah, basically if you purchase a game from the online store, you aren't actually buying the game. It's more like a subscription.

You've subscribed to our game. And if Sony decides to remove the licensing for any reason, you've lost access to your purchase, which seems shitty. Seems bad. I know this has happened to me in like, you know, prime video where I like, you know, whatever is the cheapest way to buy Sing 2 or whatever, you know, movie that my kids are trying to watch. And then, you know, it's no longer there like a year later. Thing 2 is it something you can own. It's only something you can experience. Sing 2 just exists in our heart and in the air around us.

That's what they're going to start telling us. They're going to be like, it's more of a feeling than an actual movie, like Coyote versus Acme. Did you guys see that, by the way? Yes. It's so good. And it's so. Shout out to my friend Martha Kelly. I'm named after.

Oh, my God. So good in that. So many great lines in that. It is so funny. Like watching it and it's all about like evil corporations trying to like fuck people over. And like to have that specific movie. be suppressed and like withheld and attempted

like attempted to be killed by an evil corporation is so funny. It's like how like that's so on the nose guys to just be like nobody's going to want to see this. We got we got to get this out of here is wild. It was also really great to see all of the cast be like yeah this was

fucked. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like openly. Yeah. It was so funny. I also I got very emotional at the end. I know. What about you guys? That was so sweet.

Yeah, it was really sweet. It's like Joker and Batman. They need each other. Yeah. And I also approve of toxic relationships. Stay in them. Who cares? Well, like Will Forte's like big speech of like, you know, I almost gave up.

I didn't think I could win. And I was like, ugh, that's what we have to do. It's so true. I know. Anyways, we got them because we were able to watch the movie that they are getting money from us for. So in your face, Zazlov, I heard that when he was talking about fucking everyone over, he was like just as long as nobody's making eye contact with each other. Do you guys know that reference? No. No, what the hell is that?

So there's a story where David Zazlov becomes like the head of all media, you know, a CEO after like basically his innovation at his last media. was like, what if we did it for cheaper? And people were like, Bravo, sir, amazing. We just, like, made this company's stuff a little bit shittier and nobody really noticed. And so he's taking over and he's watching Fleabag with a bunch of other, like, billionaires on a yacht.

And they started out and she's masturbating to Obama. I think it's Fleaback season two maybe, or maybe that's season one, I forget. And he hits pause immediately and is like, all right, guys, here's the thing. Here's how we move forward. forward with this because people love to, assholes like this love to have like a game plan. He's like, either we stop watching this, turn it off and pretend we didn't see that,

or we power through and we all agree not to look at each other during the watching of this episode of Fleabag. And people are like, oh, okay. And so they decided to like watch it, but not look at each other, which just seems. That's so weird. It's so weird. It does seem like he was like, I need to jack off to this. I don't want you guys to know.

Yeah, that's what I thought you were saying. Yeah. Like, they're all jerking up, but they were just... But that can't be what he meant. But, like, I don't know. I still don't know. Like, this is a story that has been reported far and wide in, like, mainstream media outlets. And I still don't know what they think it means.

Yeah. Because it seems so obvious that he was just like... If I was in the room, I'd be like... Why? So you can jack off? Yeah. I'd be like, oh, I'm good. and like leave the room, like, you guys can have fun.

What if they're all always jacking off, and he just specifically wanted them not to for that one episode? This time for fun, we won't look at each other. We won't look at each other because we hate black people and we don't want to think of them as sexual creatures or something. I don't know. Classic billionaires watching Fleabag on a yacht. Hey, my kid says this is great.

Let's check it out. All right. June of this year, U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California, San Francisco Division, filed a class action lawsuit against Sony, claiming that they were misleading their customers with the language when you purchase a game. In response to the lawsuit, Sony claimed that no reasonable person could assume ownership of a game that they buy digitally using this year's Resident Evil Requiem as an example. and like I just want to read their logic here. They say like, if this person were obtaining ownership of a digital game, were that the case? Then plaintiff Edward Hickok would not have been able to obtain the game Resident Evil Requiem on February 25, 2026 for $69.99 from a PlayStation store until plaintiff Jason Mendoza had obtained Resident Evil Requiem on February 14th because Mr. Mendoza, not Sony would have owned it then.

So their argument is like, how could you own it? This other guy owns it. Like that, what? What the fuck? This is, this feels like they're trying to reverse NFTS. Yeah, it's like so, I feel crazy. Yeah, well, you should feel crazy. I know.

But like, you're buying a file, correct? You download a file. Mm-hmm. Are they arguing that it's like, something about like the console like I yeah I think they're just like playing really but it's also like I bought the console right yeah I'm trying to figure out like what's the plausible argument they could be making and like are they suggesting we should all be getting hard drives to download everything and like we can't trust the amazon app or our video game console to have the files that

we bought and downloaded. Essentially, I think that's what they're pivoting. I mean, that's like what everything is pivoted to. I do too. Fair enough. Like renting storage, like, they can change the prices on anything at any time. And we're just like, okay, I guess we have to because monopolies and shit. We actually recently changed the price on the thing you bought last year.

And so you actually have to, we're going to withdraw money from your account. Yeah. I mean, that would be like buying DVDs and VHSs, and then, like, the studio exec comes to your house and it's like, give me those. With a gun. Those are mine. Victor's saying, I think they're arguing you don't own the IP, which I also say like the copyright or the trademark or the IP or whatever. But that's like not what people are claiming. It's like saying, like when we go buy a T-shirt, we're not saying we own Nike. the fuck.

Right. Yeah. I have tried making that claim and people are not impressed. Yeah. Just FYI. You got picked out of that employee store several times. Yeah. It's just a willfully obtuse argument that is very frustrating.

But apparently like Sony isn't the only one who has language like this, Microsoft Valve. Nintendo apparently has the most aggressive language like this where they're like, you don't own shit. We can take this away anytime you want. And they're just like such a weird closed box world that like it doesn't doesn't matter. Nobody can do shit because their games are fun. Are you guys physical media heads? So we're about to get to it.

But I have not yet become a physical media head because who has the time? But I'm starting to be like I need to make the time because I've got a bustling, a thriving social life. No, I'm just joking. You have to stop telling, calling your kids that, Jack. I'm getting the bros for some bros. That's truly what it is. Me acting like I have a busy social life when I just have kids that I have to drive from one thing to the other. I'm very broke, but I am very obsessed with physical media.

And part of my podcast is like reminiscing about the nostalgia of that and like the CDs and the vinals and everything. And right now I'm focusing on books because I think I was holding. back a lot because I was shamed for buying and collecting books as a trial. And so now I'm just going full on into that. And over this summer, I've, like, filled my apartment and I fucking loved it. It's the best. Yeah.

So this is the other thing. They also recently announced they're going to stop production of physical discs for new games in January, 28. So that's, which, like, yeah, it coincides with this trend that has happening where, like, even video stores are making a comeback? Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of places in L.A. that are, like, popping off right now. Yeah. There's been just a ton of stories about new video stores opening up in cities like Chicago, Minneapolis, El Paso, Philadelphia, New York, Sacramento. Like, I was aware of the L.A. and New York ones, but I didn't realize this was like a nationwide,

huge trend where you can be. I think I was seeing it online a lot, too. like a bunch of local stores or like all over the country are making a huge comeback. Renting out DVDs, Blu-rays, and even VHS tapes, which are they also renting out the VCR? Maybe. I would not know where to get a, I guess you could probably find a VCR. That wouldn't be that hard, right? Yeah, take it from McElmore. Go to the thrift shop.

Our favorite artist is McElmore. It is funny to like see young people describe this as, like, like a novel experience. They're like, if you look around, it's so much more impactful to look at the DVD spines, pull something out. Look at the cover art. The art may catch your eye,

and you may have found your new favorite movie. I mean, they're right. It's fun. It's so funny. It's the best. It's the best. It was like my favorite thing to do. And it just like went away.

And I was like, that's good. That's more efficient. And now it's just a process of like scrolling through a, a broken user, like, experience on one of the streamers and finding out that, like, nobody has any of the movies that they used to have. Exactly.

Yeah. I know two VHS is for Titanic. We miss that. Remember those days? Extended interviews on Lord of the Rings. Godfather 2, Titanic, Scarface. These are, like, the ones that the big fat, two tape. Yeah.

rentals that I remember. I still remember like DVD or VHS covers of movies that like I never watched. Like I still haven't seen Kiss of the Spider Woman, the like 80s movie, but it like has the Yeah, the cover has like this giant spider web and like a kind of nakedish looking woman backlit. So it's like you only see the silhouette. And I was like, what is? What do you say? I also think.

I also think that's, that kind of goes hand in hand with like AI and what they're forcing on us with that. Because like I love cover art for books that we grew up with. But I think like a lot of them have kind of followed these like weird, flat, cartoonish trends or like everybody's, you know, it's just, I feel like with mass production of things, the artistry gets lost. And so I think now people are kind of going back to that. heyday of art in like the 90s and 2000s before tech like ruined everything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's like the guy who drew like the Back to the Future cover, I think is Drew Struzan was like this secret. That's a name you made up. That's a name that I just looked up on on Wikipedia. But I remember that like yeah,

there are these like kind of autores behind the cover art. Yeah. Like who like this guy like drew so many of the great covers of these VHS. And like, that's the sort of shit that I think people really respect more and more and more. Just to show how kind of popular and into the idea of video stores people are getting, there are really popular, like two new video games in which players simply work shifts at a video store. one of the games retro rewind sold 100,000 copies in less than a week when it came out. And then there's another one, Rewind 99, that, like, they both sound like they suck because, like, you're just doing, like, hourly wage drudgery. I was like, when I first heard about it, I was like, oh, this is cool.

Like, you're matching your film knowledge to, so, like, somebody comes up and is like, I want this kind of, like, horror movie with this sort of vibe. and then you have to like come up with the right answer. I was like, that would be super fun. And instead, it's like all fictional movies. Like you're not, they couldn't, they didn't license the names of movies. So you're not even able to have that much. So it's really just the act of like being in an old video store and doing fucking tasks. But I think a lot of like Gen Z like there's like so much like shit on social media that's like existentially terrifying that slowing down.

And I was also seeing this about, like, cartoons we used to watch as a kid, like how Little Bear is really calming and soothing and slow. And, like, they don't have that. So I feel like they're searching for something like monotonous and soothing like that because we were surrounded by it. And also we would, like, we just didn't have access to online all that much, you know? Like, we had to go to the computer room. But, yeah.

So I think that's part of the appeal. It wasn't a thing you were trying to escape back then. Yeah. Right. Well, that's why, like, Star do. because it's just like, oh, I found a berry, which I know is my friend's favorite food. Let me go give it to him. Yeah.

And then you use that gift as a way to like set up a sniper position, right? To see if somebody's going to respawn in that. No, they'll just say, oh, thank you, May, may. That sounds delightful. Yeah, it's nice. But yeah, Gen Z is apparently the ones driving this trend. The Hollywood reporter recently observed that since 2022, streaming prices have risen more than three times as much as inflation. And, yeah, also, to your point, Polly the independent bookstores in the U.S. have grown 70% since 2020.

So, like, that's a type of media. I wonder, like, I'm definitely, you know, also pointing out libraries, too. Yeah, yeah, libraries. Like, I'm definitely using libraries more than I ever have. I feel like that's got to also be a trend that's happening. Yeah. Makes me happy because I feel like it's,

I was worried that, like, this whole, like, literacy crisis would just go on, unhinged in one direction, but it feels like people are really fighting back and trying to, like, educate themselves. And even, like, streamers, or, I remember, like, Kai Sinat was learning how to, like, you know, he wasn't a big reader. Yeah. And he was learning how to read on stream.

And he was, like, sounding out words or looking up words that he was unfamiliar with and making it more accessible and less shameful to his. Yeah, it's really fucking cool. And that's something like, I remember as a kid, like, I would read and I would have a dictionary right next to me because I wouldn't know all the words. But like, now I think people, like, there's a, there's a thing of like, oh, I'll just figure it out later, you know? or like, I'll learn it. I have access to it all the time. But I think there is a rebellion against that. And it makes me happy that there's still that thirst for knowledge.

Thirst. Thirst. For that thick knowledge, you know what I'm saying? Oh, my God. But it's also, like, technology has so much, like, junk or, like, slop, as people call it, because, like, they're all, like, ran by morons who are, like, using AI to do everything. How do we scale that? you made a good movie.

How are we going to scale that for season two of the movie? Yeah, we're going to season two that. We're going to four-ex it. We're going to 10x the number of episodes for half the money. Like even when you log on to like Netflix or Max or whatever, like there's so much crap there that like it is more appealing to like go to the library or a video store and be like, I just want to see something good from this genre. and like, I don't want to have to look through, like, junk mail. There's also, like, the association with tech. Like, I'm on, like, book talk, and I didn't realize that a lot of those people, like,

self-published. So I went and bought a book, and it was the worst written book I've ever read in my, like, I had to, like, cross my eyes to understand the plot because, like, the grammar and the sentence structure, like, was terrible. And I didn't know you have to, like, look out for these, like, these people that just publish because they have money and they want to, like, publish a book. and it's fucking awful. So, like, you have, you do have to dig a little bit and, like, kind of go to the,

not necessarily the classics, but like ones that you know are well reviewed and, like, well written and stuff because there can be, like, the intersection of that can be trashed too. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. In her hundredth book this month. Exactly. Yeah. Whoa. She is prolific. Yeah, and also they kind of video.

Physical media represents a way to retain some degree of control over the media we consume rather than just giving all the power to a few multinational corporations who are consolidating control over everything. Like sometimes they will censor Disney's C.G'd hair over Daryl Hannah's butt and splash. not like they CG'd it to make her hair look longer so that it covered her butt not like gave her a hairy butt but

well then I'm not interested then I'm out and for that reason I'm out sharks and then Netflix also has been known to delete content to appease governments in various markets

yeah like Patriot Act they took out the Saudi Arabia episode that Hassan Mirage did yeah wow and Paramount plus Germany of course took away Nathan Fielders, Nathan for you episode about anti-Semitism.

Right. Yeah. No, we can't talk about it. It felt antisemitic to talk about why people shouldn't be anti-Semitic, I feel like, in some ways. Yeah. So anyways, this is all probably going to become more and more important because, like, Amazon just announced that they're launching a new AI-powered feature that matches actors'

mouth movements to dubbed audio tracks so that they can, like, they're starting it out doing a English dub of the German show, Maxton Hall, but there are plans to expand it. Well, now I'm not watching Maxton Hall as an avid fan. That sounds so gross. I feel like part of the appeal of dubbed shows is like the lip sync being wrong. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Also dub show, just fucking read the subtitles. Right. And you can hear the actual. Yeah, I had an experience of that show, Dark, I think it's called. That's like the, it is a German sci-fi series.

And I watched like three episodes with the dub on. And I was like, this show fucking sucks. Like, why does everybody like it? And then I switched over to subtitles. And I was like, oh, it's actually really good and well-acted. It's just that the English subtitles are like done by people who aren't, like, aren't very skilled actors, the way that, like, the people in the original.

That's what I was going to say. Everything's getting replaced or all like automated or cheapened. Even like Matthew Lillard had this really great clip where he was talking about like. And there's like a documentary about Robin Williams and his influence on like not intending to but inadvertently switching from like genuine voice actors, switching the industry from genuine voice actors to celebrity appeal. And how that's like there's like a really great YouTube documentary on it when he did a genie. and that year he did a few different ones. But it's just drawing like voice acting because it's just fucking famous people.

And you're not going to an animated movie to see the face of a famous person. So like what is the point? You know what I mean? I know. Like why should like a cartoon animal be Amy Adams in her regular speaking voice? What is that? We actually didn't tell Amy that she was in this. And also it's like, who's that for?

The kids aren't like, oh my God. Wait a second. Is that Amy Adams dad? Right. We have to. We simply must go see Amy Adams in the new Sing Three. Sing three. Absolutely.

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I know. Where do we start here? I don't know. So Cash Patel was trending along with the word beastiality. Bestiality. Best, best, best, best, best Italy. Best Italy. Best Italy.

Yeah, so. Oh, no, it's bestiality. At the time. By the way, I tried to spell it beastiality. I spelled it B.A. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's tough.

Google Docs acted like I was so. far they're like what the fuck are you even talking about can't even begin to guess or what you mean by i also think it's its own issue right yeah yeah we actually never heard of that you're crazy what's that word um but yeah i when i saw those two words trend or two concepts cash betel and bcilla trending i like i figured trump like inherently posted like an i i i video from his drafts on truth social or some shit but no it's because of some of the new regulations that the fbi has rolled out and he had a hearing in front of the Senate to discuss all kinds of things. Like, again, like I always say, why are you so bad at what you do?

Right. And are you an Epstein, Sim? And what's with these new regulations that you've relaxed for applicants to the FBI? So at the end of August, CBS News reported that they were relaxing some of these rules in order to help broaden the pool of applicants, which makes sense. Not in the like I'm saying, you should, but I understand that you probably need to do that because Cashman is scared off so many career agents. agents firing people that he suspects of like telling his like whiskey bottle secrets to and just overall making it a place like you just don't want to work. I just like to imagine him and Jay Edgar Hoover engaging in any way. Oh yeah.

He would yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You put the secrets in your blood. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Right.

So again, there's definitely a drain of personnel happening there. So previously the following things were automatically disqualifying for an applicant like, you know, like engaging. we're like hiring any kind of sex workers, which I'm like, okay, I think we can get past that taboo. But then other things are like, if you've stolen from an employer, they're like, no, dude, we don't want you at the FBI if you stole from an employer. And also, that's when I'm at my most like CIA FBI is when I'm like, I've got a fucking roller up my arm of my shirt sleeve. I've just taken so much fucking copy printed like toner. Eraser, pencil toppers going out your leg. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Just got a whole thing of printer. It's like, yeah, it's like Mission Impossible. I'm like, tell me when the manager is in the hallway. They're like, he's on a cigarette break. Toast, toast, toast. That was me in college getting like rolls of toilet paper from the library. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're like, go, go, go, go.

That's an employer. That's an oppressor. Anyway, so, like, that kind of stuff, which makes sense. But now they've changed the rules. So it's fine to have hired sex workers. They're like, they're things like, as long as it's only three times and it was 10 years ago. Yeah. Okay.

There's a three times. I'd again. So stupid. This is like a whole path rule of an abusive relationship. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right, right. That's crazy. Three times. They have like a little file with like, okay, first time, don't work.

You're okay for two more. You're running out of those shoes, you love. You're on your last pair. Don't run them through. Then, you know, again, the next one, okay, they're like, okay, fine, you stole from your employer. As long as that was three years ago. Oh, sure. They're like, you probably changed a lot of the three years since you've stole from.

from your employer, whatever that is. But then here's the one about beastiality and animal abuse. Quote, this is from the C-Biss. It's like those are the three and then the fourth one is this? Like that's crazy jump. The one was they relaxed things on sex workers. And like, if you've done sex work, they're also thinking like, because people have like in polygraph tests popped or whatever. Sure.

Even though polygraphs are. Polygraph. Pop that polygraph. Hey, oh, you're done for a polygraph? But like, but then they're like, but it could be if someone is in a, like, maybe you're in Amsterdam. or something. And it's like that they didn't want to feel like we can't. Come on, guys.

This guy's good at shooting people. We got to hire him. Literally shocked that they ever had a problem with using sex workers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That feels like a real FBI coded thing to do. Right. You know. But the bestiality thing has always been, they're like, no, what?

No. Wait, but this is, this is so quote, this from CBS News. The new standards also specifically address applicants who have engaged in past acts of beastiality or animal cruelty. Or animal cruelty? Yes. Yes, like precursor for like murder or behavior. Like the specificity of BCLI was wild, but also were.

And saying they may still be considered for the Bureau as long as the incidents took place before the age of 18. Ah, indicative of psychopathy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, I was ripping up birds when I was like six. Oh, I was microwaving the dog when I was two. Come on. But again, so they're like, we don't, we want to just make it. So there's, we don't want to make it like just more complex.

for people to join the Bureau. So where do we have that data that they did that pre-18? I think because it could be in a polygraph. And they're like, whoa, what's going out of here when I just mentioned animals and stuff? It was legal. It was legal. I was under 18. But again, so like, a source from the FBI

told CBS news that this is totally unnecessary because these policies about bestiality and animal views do not distinguish between someone that was coerced into this and someone who was willingly doing it. Like, so they're like, that's a huge thing because Cash Patel, as we will hear, said this was because we also wanted to, again, if someone was forced into some kind of sex work or doing something like this, we don't want that their past to keep them from being in the FBI.

But again, he does keep referring to the people that they're letting off the hook are victims of bestiality, which suggests that like I was like, is he talking about like a canine unit? This like, so right, this, let me just point. play this clip for you from the hearing where Republican Senator Kennedy from Louisiana, who's not usually a hard questions asker, he clearly, he was just like, he, like most people were just like, he's like, why do this? Like, I don't, his whole thing is like, what? That is how you should react. What do you? Like, why is this even a thing? Right. Yeah. And most people, I think, are thinking the same thing. So here. Because it's also such a classic

joke structure. Like, um, don't be late. Make sure. sure your shoes are here. Right. You know, make sure you pet the lucky a la dog at the door that'll kill you if you don't. And keep going.

It's like, hey, one was too specific. What was that one? Oh, yeah. It was very, it was fun. It's fine. So here's Senator John Kennedy

asking Cash Patel, because he's all saying like, dude, you got a lot of heat as the director of the FBI. Like, what? Like, this is just causing more questions, dude, like,

and going to create more uncertainty or doubt over who the people are you higher. So here is Cash Patel trying to explain what exactly is going on. Why would you even get into bestiality? I mean, that's a tough pull quote. We are not into beastiality, but a lot of these individuals. I know you're not, but you changed, you changed, but I'm trying to explain it.

Hang on you changed the qualifications and mentioned beastiality. If Joe, if Joe participated in beastiality, not as the animal, but as the human. Oh. Very good distinction. He ought to be qualified, disqualified? If he voluntarily did. sure but if he was trafficked into it okay how do you involuntarily do it in a lot of these cases when a lot traffickers some of the worst individuals on planet earth they don't just

traffic you for prostitution they traffic you for degrading acts of all kind and they force you into that type of conduct and some of these individuals would go on to be law enforcement officers Kennedy's bearing his head and later applied to the fbriks and later applied to the fb i mean this this didn't this these changes didn't start with you did no somebody came to you and recommended Yeah. And who is that? Had to give him an out. But he's like, like, when that guy, when it was recommended, why aren't you like, what the

fuck is this? Again, the arguments are like, well, you know, there's just people that was coming up with that. So that actually makes sense to me. If that's like a thing, like that honestly sounds like a satanic panic like thing that, like somebody would go on Oprah and be like, this is actually a massive problem we're seeing in the country. But like, they went on to be like, you actually don't need to make that.

that, we already make that distinction. Like if somebody was coerced into it, it's, if someone was abused, obviously. Yeah, yeah. They already have those protocols. They already have some of those things. For any sort of violence. For anything for sex work, whatever.

And then like, they're like, change was like only allowing. It was so that the language of the regulations are, it's, hey, if you did some bestiality, whatever. Right. Basically. It's, it's broadening it beyond what he just said. Right.

To me, this. Or I don't know, who am I to judge? This implies because no one was out here being like, I could have stopped 9-11 if I didn't accidentally kill a bunch of animals when I was a kid or something. I don't think that's, to me, it implies that there have been some dudes that have had sex with animals that weren't going to get their badge and gun unless they relax the rules. To me, it is a precursor and attempting precedent, even though it's not law, right? It's like stipulations within the law.

to have any precedent when the threat of more Epstein information comes out. So obviously there's a lot of violence, harm, bestiality in the Epstein files. So the more that this stuff comes out, the more this loser is going to be like, I can't make laws, I can't do this. What if it feels like how much can I soften and provide loopholes for individuals and protect those who have perpetrated harm? Sure. And find ways to, again, blur the ideas of violence and some of the people.

who's experienced violence or then was a weapon of violence and gling. Like, right? Because then we could say she is a person that was abused into abused trafficking. Right, right, right. It's all these softening's I see that we're trying to make sense of in a specific moment when I feel like it's a mess of the context. Right, right, right. Yeah.

I mean, it's hard because even as they try that, their reaction even from the right is like, what the fuck are you talking about? This is the sort of thing we accuse liberals of. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So not a great hearing. I mean, again, the entire hearing was just like, you haven't done anything.

I'm sorry. It's also like, so Joe is the human here. Yeah. Not at all. Because he was also confused. He's like, what do you mean? Right. What part of this? And yeah, and again, I think, like, to your point, I probably went for the most salacious route with my very one-dimensional brain there with why I think this is happening. That's true, too. But that could be true, too. I'm a Jiren All right Let's talk about the big franchise

That we've all been waiting for Blue every college freshman's mind Yeah We've been all waiting for them to reboot this bad boy What did she said? I said boondock sing Yeah There was a fire fight

I haven't seen it I haven't either I'm definitely I know I called it white belly Yeah It is white belly. It is a movie that people were like, dude, you got to check this shit out.

I know. I watched it. Like, I was high. And even then, I was like, sucks. You guys is fucking awesome. It's like a gangster flick, right? It's like, it's somebody who like digested pulp fiction, but like got indigestion. Oh, God.

Or missed the point. Yeah, yeah. It's like dumb, dumb Tarantino. Oh, real dumb. If we watch it as that, then I'm sure I'd love it. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways.

No, we're talking, of course, about the Stanford Prison. experiment. I'm not laughing at the situation. I just laughing out like, huh? What? What? In the span of 30 years,

Netflix has gone from the friendly people mailing you DVDs to re-staging ethically fraught psychological studies for our enjoyment or our enjoyment, I guess. They will soon be releasing a reality show based on the

Stanford Prison Experiment named the new Stanford Prison Experiment. Bookerlough too. They've done it again. I do have to ask. Like, Stanford's definitely, like, at the forefront of, like,

being once a honored learning institution now, like, on the borders of, like, evil. Like, are they just like... Finishing school for Silicon Valley death squads. Oh, my God. Are they, like, yeah, okay, you pay us enough. You can use our name in this. They're just as disconnected from their own reputation.

Well, I wonder legally if the experiment itself has now become such its own thing. You could like that. can just call it the Stanford prison experiment. You know what I mean? Right. But I guess wouldn't they not want to be like, oh, yeah, that terribly fucked up unethical thing? Right.

Yeah, you can brand it with Stanford. That has been completely academically debunked. No. Come on. The way they're pitching it. 30 willing participants enter a real prison. Willing. Why, you have to say willing.

Very load-bearing willing. Yeah. Yeah, they don't usually do that on reality shows. Yeah, 30 willing participants will be on. What happens? What happens when six, real willing participants enter a house and start being

willingly real willingly real enter a real prisoner randomly assigned as guards or prisoners thrust into a system of power hierarchy and control they'll discover whether ordinary people inevitably conform to the roles they're given

or whether empathy, morality and individuality can withstand the forces pushing them in the opposite direct. I mean the fact that they're pushing this hard, like if It was just like, damn, actually, people are kind of kind. People are nice to each other. I don't think they'd be pushing it that hard. Of course not.

No, dude, everyone who's on this show is about to be, I feel so bad for them. Like, you're about to be fodder for the online scream discourse. Yeah, like, how much leeway did they give them? It's like, where's the line when they're making a show I'm producing? It's like, you're allowed to hit. You're allowed to, it's like, what is? No closed fists. Yeah.

I'm like, what? Yeah. You can use like WWE. folding chairs. There's been a bit of an online backlash. Some people are lamenting Mr. Bees' influence. But it does seem pretty irresponsible to repeat an experiment that A, was predicated on the abuse of students, and B, has been subsequently completely discredited.

The people who ran this experiment were coaching them. They were, like, telling them to be cool. Right. Yeah, there's no control group. There's no nothing. So what do you do? Yeah, so the prison. Yeah, but also for some.

summary, because I feel like we say Stanford Prison Experiment, and not a lot of people know, like, the details. They know, like, the vibe. And it was this idea of, like, essentially, Lord of the Flies, like, what will happen when you leave people to create their own hierarchy. Right. And it was manipulated, and it was saying that people will be cruel. They're at them all.

Yeah. I was trying to prove that when these, when there was, again, no scientific method. Right. And this is, like, a lynchpin, like, for right-wing politics to be, like, people are really bad. Yeah. If you let their, yeah. That's why you need, that's why you need society. to put them in prison.

Hey, look at that. But, yeah, the prisoners were stripped, naked, hooded, chained, and denied food and sleep by the people organizing. Like, those were the instructions that you, like, couldn't do anything about the vibe right. Right. And everything was exposed as fraudulent. It was revealed Zimbardo's team, coached the guards in order to achieve the result they desired. The researchers encouraged the guards. aggression and reprimanded those who were too lenient.

Oh. So it's the UK, the BBC actually recreated his study for a 2002 reality show called The Experiment. They couldn't get Samford sign off on that one. Because it's probably ethical. Right. It would prove it wrong. Yeah.

And the BBC show was basically like, no, actually people weren't that meat. Like they didn't have the American instinct to be like, fuck these losers up. They don't have as much stuff as you. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And they were like, yeah. people weren't dicks.

They were reluctant to assert authority and appeared uncomfortable enforcing discipline. Oh, God. Great. That's what I want to hear. Yeah. I mean,

I'm sure everything downwind of this made Zimbardo a very wealthy person too. Okay, can you come speak to like a group of law enforcement? That guy was banging through Marriott's across the country. You know what I mean? I was really doing it with that.

His vibe is real fucked up looking. It's giving like, what's the, what's the, um, interviewer that passed away of the actors on actors? Oh, yeah, James Lipton. Yeah, he looks like James Lipton. He looks like evil James Lipton. Like, yeah. Wario James Lipton. Yes, exactly.

It's something about, he looks like a murderer in an episode of Columbo. That is also. That is actually, exactly. There's something about when you dye your facial hair when you're that old. Mm-hmm. I mean, it just, somehow it just reads as evil. You're like, oh, you're evil, bro. Yeah.

I know you don't want to admit you have gray hair. But the canessal never color match, so it's too dark. And I'm always like, I feel powerful over you for that reason. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And also like it doesn't match your hair. Yeah, of course. Are you using the same box? No.

No. What just for men color are you using? This is full of them. He says he's like combing it through. Using Sharpie. But yeah, I mean, also the Stanford prison experiment, like the fake version that everybody's like heard in college, I think, is, has been shown to be pretty responsible for. or like how reality TV has evolved over time. Like people are like, yeah, no, we just, you know, people,

people have pointed out that like Kid Nation, CBS's 2007 show in which 40 children, ages 8 to 15, were dropped off in a ghost town with no adult supervision. They were just like, let's. He had so much ice cream the whole time. Yeah, a lot of belly aches. They weren't going to bed. It's crazy. And the producer of a squid game, the competition reality show bragged that their show is much more akin to a Stanford prison experiment type thing.

So you know, intellectually rigorous. Yeah, yeah. Stanford prison experiment type deal type shit. Needs. That's the pitch in there. Yeah, it's like Stanford Prison Experiment type shit. But it's also like if we're actually taking those values, we can see it across Survivor, across naked and afraid. Like it's like we do have the concept of being completely worn down.

and where your humanity lies. Right. But also we have a concept in our society where it's like we criminalize poverty. So then we are continuing the propaganda of the idea that it's the fault of that person because they're being horrible when they are in a situation of need. Right. Right. And it's like, well, no, that's not how it works.

Yeah. Yeah. They're like all these really famous experiments from the 20th century that all just are like, people are fucking cruel. What can we say? There's also this one, the Robbers Cave experiment where they like split up groups of young boys and were like, and they turned into Lord of the Flies immediately. And it again was revealed that they intentionally stoked the researchers intentionally stoked them to be like, hey, that guy's fucking. I mean, they're producers on The Bachelor.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, he likes her more. Completely undercuts our argument for an oppressive state. Yeah, exactly. Anyways, I'll be watching. Funny, I'm tuned in.

I'm like, get her, Dave. Yeah, we'll be betting on Polly Market. Oh, wait, you two are people I want to talk about this. I, this is an aside. I'm sorry. My heart, I got so much anger in my heart, like, really angry. I had to sit with Y. I'll cry, even think about it.

There's something disgusting. It's not personal. But with the LeBron Polymark market, like, ad, like, I feel really heartbroken a lot of times over Michael Jordan. and how he wasn't supported, like, how dedicated he was. And that gambling, like, took him out into his family, his father. Like, and that it just felt so gross to me that, like, our next greatest player that we've had. Like, like, gambling is just like a thing that he's then comfortable.

Like, and I know it's not personal one of one. He's a businessman. But, like, something felt so awful when it comes to the idea of, like, these behemoths of inspiration and dedication. And then where capitalism comes in and one destroyed one, And one, like, I don't know. It just, I just made me feel a type of one. Yeah. I mean, I feel, I think most people probably don't look at Michael Jordan as a tragedy at all,

like in that sense, like, because they're like, I don't know, he's like a billionaire. You know what I mean? Not seeing, like, the real depth to like, they're like, he, you know. Leave the sport essentially. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I know, like that baseball years. And there's theories about that the, who knows, who knows what game. We do know that, like, his life.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, was. And I think, I think the bigger, I think the tragedy is a sort of like, how. capitalism can just sort of co-opt these figures, subsume them. And they'll be like, because you see, there's a version of reality. I think about this with LeBron James all the time. Like, man, if he just like said some real shit every now and then, do a lot. He would do a lot. And it's hard.

He has a school. He has so much support for the community. But it's, I don't know. Yeah. There's still those. But there's like times when you just go like, I think it was most disappointing is at the end of the day, once these people become these brands, like they cease to become human beings that feel like they can do anything with their outsized influence to like better anything.

That's real. Like he picks and chooses, you know, like what he wants to get involved in. He's not like a net negative on society, but there's also like there's a lot of times people like, man, maybe he could say something about just one or two things eventually just to let because if you did that, it would allow for a lot of other people. Just like with the fucking. Yes, it would have a Maclemore and stuff. But other artists, like sometimes you just need somebody.

to be like, look, I'm going to say it and I'm okay and I'm not, I'm still here. Yeah. And you can say it too and you can still be here too. And yeah, I think that's definitely something that, yeah, I think just sort of that era of like looking at those like sports figures and being like, man, are they going to do something? It's very, it's not common in the U.S. So famous for so long where you're in a world where you're only hearing from people with financial incentives, you know?

Yeah. It's, because, fame is a fucked up psychological experiment. Yeah. Completely. It's isolating.

100%. And like the people have like met and interact with over the years that like gotten to know that were like celebrities like to your point. Like they're, they get so isolated and they don't trust anybody anymore. Mm. Because they get used to this cycle of somebody always needing them for them for their thing. Sure.

So then they never know if they're like actually friends with anybody. It's like it's so then I'm sure then that you retreat further to people that will comfort you and tell you're doing good. And then it's like, no, LeBron, take that, take that check because that'll help you have more money than ever. People like it. It's a fun Super Bowl commercial. Yeah. Right, right.

Yeah. It's just, I think John Legg was almost got a lot of shit too for being in there. Johnny Legs was in? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And he was like, no, I'm giving the money away. And people are like, bruh.

That's what they all say. Yeah. They're like, what kind of South Riyadh comedy festival ass answer was that? It is. All right. That's going to do it. for this week's weekly zeitgeist. Please like and review the show if you like the show.

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