The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 45 (Best of 10/8/18-10/12/18)

Episode Date: October 14, 2018

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Starting point is 00:02:21 all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laughstravaganza. So without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist. What is a myth? What is something people think is true you know to be false? I have four things on the list. Welfare, Russians being cold people, communism, question mark, and cancer. I'd like to know about Russians. Russians are really hot in this country. Yeah, I'm going to hop on that then. That Russian people are cold. Yeah, I think the impression
Starting point is 00:02:55 is that Russian people are like kind of soulless ghouls. Right, nothing going on, yeah. Like, you know, like Melania style, you know? and I think the misunderstanding is, is that we don't have emotions or like not emotional people unless we're like mad at you. And then we're like very emotional. And I think what the misunderstanding is, is our culture doesn't thrive on like small talk and things like that. We're very economical and we're very literary. So I feel like people in America are very conversational and not very literary. And the difference I think is like, well, when I first moved here, it was so crazy. Everybody's just like, hi, how are you?
Starting point is 00:03:36 And it was so confusing and strange to me. I found it really off-putting because I'm like, I don't know you. I don't know any of you. This is so strange. I'm in a store or I'm out or whatever. And strangers are asking me how I am. Yeah. Because we take that really sincerely. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:53 I'm like, well, do you want me to tell you that my grandpa has dementia? And I'm like very sad because I just visited him. And I'm like, life is really transitory and we're all dying. Yeah. Because that's like essentially what every Russian is really thinking. Meanwhile, it was someone just saying, how's it going? And you're like, okay, so you've asked.
Starting point is 00:04:09 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here it comes. Yeah, and so there's a misunderstanding because either we share nothing or we share too much and then people are like, okay, you're a weirdo. And we're like, well, you fucking asked.
Starting point is 00:04:18 Right, yeah. Yeah, so we'd rather not do it. So a lot of times sometimes people would be like, my Russian neighbor has never said hi to me. Or like, you know, and I'm like, it's not what you think, you know.
Starting point is 00:04:29 But if you've ever had an actual conversation with them about something, they'll say hi to you from then on. But if you're just like, hey, how's it going? Nope, that's not our style.
Starting point is 00:04:39 We don't do that. So that's, I think, a misunderstanding. And also, our language is very, very rich rich it has a lot more words it does for things and shades of meaning yeah and shades of blue you have two words for blue I mean I have a tattoo that says Tosca which is like a word that doesn't even exist in English it's a certain kind of like ennui or missing of a person or a thing that might not even exist it's
Starting point is 00:05:04 like such a Russian word. But yeah, we have so many things that are very like deeply emotional and nuanced that are in our written language. So if you like read our literature, the reason our literature is so popular and like people really put it on a pedestal, put that pussy on a pedestal. And by pussy, we mean the book Lolita. Yes. Just that book. Only that one.
Starting point is 00:05:24 No, like the reason people you know like jizz themselves over russian literature it is that good it is that like nuance there's a lot of words and shades of meaning and language is very important but i think we express ourselves more written yeah unless like verbally and it takes a little bit to like get past the outer shell but then if you establish an actual genuine connection with a russian they'll be like the best loyalist person i grew up playing hockey so i had a lot of russian armenian and russian like teammates and i learned very quickly i was like no this is a good time over here well i'm just glad that you've explained why you're so closed off and emotionally unavailable yeah i was like yo sophie what's going on yeah is quiet. It's like talking to an ice cube.
Starting point is 00:06:06 So this is a story that was sort of in my peripheral vision, the whole controversy over The Last Jedi that was taking place as that movie came out. And I thought it was, I wasn't a huge fan of it, but the response online seemed to be just all-out war from men's rights activists and it seemed like it was the most controversial movie that's ever been released and somebody did a study where they looked at the tweets that the people who quote at ryan johnson the director and expressing dissatisfaction. And more than
Starting point is 00:06:46 half of them were bots, like troll sock puppets or political activists. And Russian bots were getting involved and Russian activists. And, you know, so there's covert culture war shit going on in places that you would think are too stupid for that sort of thing. Right, right, right. I think it kind of makes sense. It does. It just seems like such a waste of their resources, but I guess it's not. I guess when the end game is to cause as much chaos and like we're a country where all of our deficiencies are so transparent, like whether it's like misogyny, white supremacy
Starting point is 00:07:20 and all these other issues that it's like, oh yeah, we'll hop in on the NFL thing. Because that was another thing too, that there was russian activity around the like well i don't think it really has anything to do with the actual thing they're hopping on i think it has everything to do with these people who are doing this are like hackers they're like computer experts and they understand the internet and how the internet works in a way that they're paid to know and to understand and these are trending things people talking talking about the Jedi shit becomes a trending thing on Twitter. So of course, then Russian bots are going to do it
Starting point is 00:07:48 to like create havoc and create all these articles and these clicks and all these things. But how come they're not jumping in on the mayo chub debate? That was trending. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:07:56 Right. I guess it has some sort of societal. It has to be some sort of cultural war thing. They're like, we can only go so far. Yeah. They're like, well, we're not talking about that. That's a third. They're like, we can only go so far. Yeah, they're like, whoa, we're not doing that.
Starting point is 00:08:05 That shit is, we're not going to talk about that. That's a third rail. But yeah, and then you also see this too with Kavanaugh's nomination also. That in just the last 48 hours, they were saying there was an uptick in like accounts they identified as being Russian troll accounts or whatever, using like more confirmed Kavanaugh hashtags and things like that. So, yeah. You know, they do whatever they can.
Starting point is 00:08:25 RT and Sputnik also went all out to promote the boy Brett as much as possible. It's the whole Kavanaugh thing. And they're not creating the Kavanaugh backlash or the Last Jedi
Starting point is 00:08:41 backlash. They're just amplifying it. They're taking it to new levels. And then the sad thing is that media outlets, especially like a lot of these blogs and these smaller websites, will see the activity. And because of SEO and because they want to get those clicks and the traction, they'll pick these things up and then write articles about it. And it just pushes it even farther. It's like we're pushing this fake shit that Russians are pushing up just to create more drama. Yeah, exactly. Just get the message loud enough that CNN notices on there, like, what's trending today?
Starting point is 00:09:09 So I always find it interesting just to check in every once in a while with what websites people are visiting on the internet because they do release that. SimilarWeb on a regular, I think, monthly basis puts out their rankings. There's a website called Google.com that is apparently number one. Facebook, you know, monthly basis, puts out their rankings. There's a website called google.com that is apparently number one. Facebook, all the usual. It wouldn't be too interesting to just go through all of the top 50, but there are some interesting things if you check what's up and what's down. So in America, Zillow is down seven spots. I think that's another sign that the housing
Starting point is 00:09:44 market isn't doing great. And that's something that you hear from people in real estate, that the housing market has kind of stalled out a little bit. ESPN is up 10 spots, I think partially because football season and Major League Baseball postseason kind of coincide and NBA offseason is kind of heating up towards preseason. And I just said season so many times in a single sentence that it might be a world record. Season. But I also think it might be the fact that people need something to,
Starting point is 00:10:14 they need relief from the news cycle. And sports is almost like modern America's religion. Wow. It really is. Mark that here, the October 9th episode of Daily Psychics. That's just what I call everything. It's the most overused phrase. And honestly, guys, I think eating is America's religion.
Starting point is 00:10:34 Right. Weather.com is up 11 spots, I think, because of hurricane season and probably changing weather. So it seems like seasonal rankings. Yeah. Yeah. But CNN gained five spots and Fox News dropped four spots. And those are like, these are all the biggest movers in the top 50.
Starting point is 00:10:54 Like nobody else is really moving. Like the top 10 is almost completely identical to last month's top 10. Because at this point, you're talking about hundreds of millions of people going from one site to another if you're going to move from two to one. What are the top three? The top three are Google, Facebook, and number three is YouTube. Ah, interesting. Amazon number four, but guess what number five is?
Starting point is 00:11:23 Yahoo.com. No way. It's because they're hanging in there man because the elderly still use yahoo they get everything from yahoo when i used to make videos digital videos that were just mass syndicated for the internet yahoo and msn would buy videos you're like yo who goes there and you can make something like desi arnaz's Beauty Secrets and like it would do like five million views. And you did like three things to know about John Legend or whatever. And it get like like a hundred thousand. Right.
Starting point is 00:11:53 So a lot of people like can just be on Yahoo and get everything they need. Like here are some videos. So it's like an older demo. Yeah, it's like a one stop shop for sure. Yeah, it's basically they syndicate stuff like it's a newspaper so that old people who are used to newspapers can just find everything. It's all here. And I saw a video. Have you seen the new Halloween costumes for pugs?
Starting point is 00:12:16 Other kinds of videos that do very well. Right. But old people and other people using Yahoo.com, the rest of the internet is way better than Yahoo.com. The stuff you're getting is watered down garbage. Yeah, y'all are still watching real video clips on there. Check out the front page of Reddit. That is going to blow your fucking mind. Yo, for old persons,
Starting point is 00:12:37 if you throttle them off of Yahoo to the front page of Reddit, someone would have some kind of breakdown. Yeah. I feel like I have a breakdown every time I look on Reddit. I know. Because like, I can't get it. I'm fried.
Starting point is 00:12:49 Yeah. Other people who will have a meltdown, mentally healthy people. Yeah. That we know of. Uh-huh. Yeah, exactly. You seem very direct. So I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Starting point is 00:12:59 You know, Reddit, it's really also about curating for what you like. You know, if you just go to R all and you see everything, then you're going to see all dimensions of the internet in its great and worst forms. But then you can find things that are just like, for me, I got my Arsenal shit. I got things about making music, other ones. And then you have the real communities like that.
Starting point is 00:13:19 Then you have the MAGA subreddits where I love to go to because it's always fun to see how the diehard MAGA people are making sense of news that we're looking at and how it's being spun to sort of keep the narrative in check of like everything is actually fine. Right. And that's really what it is, what that subreddit offers people. Yeah. It's interesting CNN gained five spots and Fox News dropped four, I guess. That's kind of interesting. There's just more terror on the middle to left. And so everybody's just constantly refreshing maybe.
Starting point is 00:13:52 But if it dropped four, would you think that maybe from that movement that some Fox people have ditched Fox for CNN? Maybe. Or maybe that entire population is just checking the site less this month, and CNN people are checking the site more. Yeah, I mean, there were a lot of reasons to want that coverage, CNN's coverage. Right. Yeah, I agree. And Drudge Report went up one spot. Oh, good for Matt.
Starting point is 00:14:18 Yeah, good for Matt. Old Matty. Still beating New York Times is the Drudge Report. How many spots different is Drudge Report from New York Times? It's pretty significant. Drudge Report is number 39. New York Times is not in the top 50. Well, New York Times also now has a block, right?
Starting point is 00:14:38 You can only get like three free articles a month. Unless you, yeah. Yeah. I mean, a lot of these sites are just about curation, though, when you think about it. Like Reddit is curation. Yahoo we were talking about is curation. And Drudge is pure curation. So I mean it's-
Starting point is 00:14:54 It's predation. Right. And it's hard to be the New York Times and actually have to pay to create real content based on what is actually happening. Yeah. real content like based on what is actually happening uh yeah so there's a scientific study out that is gonna throw a little more gasoline on the fire of an ongoing conversation of like are dogs smarter than cats and i don't know this is a debate we sort of track here we it's like well it is a very much a cultural thing like that's just you know it's like coke or pepsi
Starting point is 00:15:24 people go dog smarter fucking cat smarter and i think most of the cultural thing. Like, it's just, you know, it's like Coke or Pepsi. People go, dog's smarter, fucking cat's smarter. And I think most of the time people are always like, well, it's different. You know, cats are just aloof and dogs, blah, blah, blah. But this one was really trying to get at the real issue of, like, are there, like, differences in their cognitive abilities? Is their cognition exceptional? And that's what they looked at. So they compared dog cognition with members of three similar groups, carnivores, social hunters, domestic animals. And that's what they looked at. So they compared dog cognition with members of three similar groups, carnivores, carnivores, social hunters, domestic animals,
Starting point is 00:15:49 and carnies and carnies. Uh, and they found like they studied wolves, cats, chimpanzees, dolphins, horses, pigeons, and they found dogs not necessarily exceptional. And they say, look, they can't use tools, uh, like crows can or like chimpanzees um and but they also say that they're one of their biggest skills is that dogs actually like to be trained so it's easier to actually add skills by because they're more open to training so that's why you have those dogs that know like a thousand verbs like when you just show them flash cards or whatever so that's sort of what it got to is like the thing that we're realizing is that dogs just like to be trained. Hence, they can there's more visible confirmation that maybe they have capacity to learn or above average intelligence.
Starting point is 00:16:33 And really, they're very affectionate animals, too. And like they have that more so than other animals, which get us more like, oh, yeah, we in the dog mood in the dog zone. So dogs are the smartest animal when it comes to interacting with humans. That is specifically like how they were designed by evolution. Their species like started out by being wolves who started coming near humans to get scraps and leftovers from hunting camps. And the dogs that were best at reading and befriending humans were the ones that survived and ate the best and procreated the most. And that's how dogs happened. And almost all clever seeming behavior that dogs engage in, it's like they're reading
Starting point is 00:17:12 us. They're like looking at almost like clues that might be imperceptible to us or that we don't know we're giving off. But dogs are like a hybrid tool, companion animal that was designed for human companionship and cats are like their relationship to humans is much different they're a hunting tool and they became domesticated to perform the service of basically like a smart rodent trap yeah they were the first rodent trap the first exterminators and so they inherently like because of the way they came to exist they have less of a dependence on humans for food because their role in a human household was to
Starting point is 00:17:54 trap the food that we couldn't get to so of course they're gonna be like man fuck you yeah they're like i don't need you let me outside yeah yeah i'll be fine i'll be good no exactly they say that like having an outdoor cat in your neighborhood actually affects the bird population. It's an actual environmental issue for birds. You should see my mom's house. Her fucking cats,
Starting point is 00:18:15 they bring so many birds in. It's wild. So you have an animal in your house that you're just keeping in from going out and just killing everything. That's right. So like of course it's attitude towards you is gonna be different. Dogs are trained and like their full existence is just dependent on reading your emotions. That's like how they have always existed. So I don't know
Starting point is 00:18:38 this whole conversation just seems like it's this issue that I see like bleeding over into everything like when people are talking about whether Kanye is a genius or not and it's like well he's a musical genius but he's a political moron or like the IQ debate and like Mensa we've been talking about Mensa a lot lately and how these fucking
Starting point is 00:18:57 idiots end up like scoring well in IQ tests and I was like yo the idea of an objective intelligence that just exists across all things like that doesn't exist they're just very and like you would you kind of I think we all inherently know that and the idea
Starting point is 00:19:14 of like an IQ test is like a myth that we just like like to believe in what helps it helps organize things better right exactly yeah yeah but it sounds like you really got hot over that one. I said dogs are special. You pulled out evolution and shit.
Starting point is 00:19:29 Yo, dogs are... But it's true. Yeah, I think, yeah, like you say, dogs, they really are, they're companions, most of these other animals. And I think that's why they're always saying, even as they wrote it, they're like, look, we know that there are X factors
Starting point is 00:19:40 that make them more appealing to human beings. And that's why they're saying, we're just testing if their brains can handle more information, if they have cognitive abilities that are beyond other animals. And that, they're simply saying, is not exceptional. But again, they have all these other skills that make them quite exceptional to us as human beings. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:58 Because horses do sort of step-based tasks too and things like that. So it's not, yeah. What makes the world go around is that everything is different. sort of step-based tasks too and things like that. So it's not, yeah. But look, I love a dog. What makes the world go around is that everything is different. We all have different strengths and weaknesses. I love cats and dogs. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:13 I have two cats and a dog. Yeah. But I'm like- I'm a dog person, but I don't hate cats. Right. You're ambivalent. Are you ambivalent or are you just not? No, yeah, I'm pretty like that.
Starting point is 00:20:23 Whatever. I'm a cat. I admire cats, but I'm a dog person. You mean you admire them. I actually do too. I hope my son aspires to be like that cat. I think they're fucking amazing. I think they're amazing creatures and I admire the fact that they are still existing as apex
Starting point is 00:20:39 predators in a suburban environment. I think that's fucking cool. What was that cat documentary? The Predator in Your House or some shit? Yeah, something like that. Man, my mom went, I don't know why my mom keeps coming up when that came on.
Starting point is 00:20:51 She's like, you have to watch this right now. I don't know why she's talking like the captain and fucking, I'm the captain now. She's Japanese, so it's more like, you have to watch Netflix documentary about cat. That's how she talks, isn't it? That's how my mom talks, you know? mom talks I think my personality is more of a cat but I love dogs
Starting point is 00:21:09 as in because they are so the one thing I love about a cat is they are so independent that they're like fuck you I will not let you pet me even though like I just want to pet I think I would like a cat more if they let me pet them because they are cute and furry and they're like you know what i'm beyond this
Starting point is 00:21:29 cute and furry exterior so fuck you and your knees mike i think it's important too when you have them especially when they're younger like you just got to get them used to being like held by humans or interacting with humans because like if you know if you adopt a cat especially one that's been on the street and stuff much harder for them to be acclimated to human touch. And also, Natasha, when you came in this morning, you had two birds that you had killed in your mouth. And you dropped them in front of me and Miles' gift offering. Oh, that was the birthday gift. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:58 My bad. You weren't paying attention. And you were disappointed in us when we didn't eat them like a cat would be. That's my bad. You know what? I will eat it. You don't want the rabies-infested pigeon I killed for you? I think you're right that you're more of a cat person.
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Starting point is 00:26:08 and we're back all right let's talk about taylor swift guys because i mean look what y'all made her do she had to go and get political. So she has, we we've talked a little bit before about how she didn't think it was her place to step out and take a political stance in the 2016 election. We were like, motherfucker, what were you waiting for? But apparently this,
Starting point is 00:26:40 because after last week's events and the, over the weekend, Kavanaugh getting confirmed, Taylor Swift came out and was like, all right, so here's what I think. Full-on post on the gram. Let everybody know. We can read a little bit. She says, I'm writing this post about the upcoming midterm elections
Starting point is 00:26:59 on November 6th in which I'll be voting in the state of Tennessee. In the past, I've been reluctant to publicly voice my political opinions, but due to several events in my life and in the world in the state of Tennessee. In the past, I've been reluctant to publicly voice my political opinions, but due to several events in my life and in the world in the past two years, I think one is code for when that DJ groped her and she won that lawsuit. And then the past two years, I think that's her saying Trump without saying Trump. I feel very differently about that now. I always have and always will cast my vote based on which candidate will protect and fight for the human rights I believe we all deserve in this country.
Starting point is 00:27:24 I believe in the fight for LGBTQ rights and that any form of discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender is wrong. I believe that, hold on now, that the systemic racism we still see in this country towards people of color is terrifying, sickening, and prevalent. I cannot vote for someone who will not be willing to fight for dignity for all Americans, no matter their skin color, gender, or who they love. Running for Senate in the state of Tennessee is a woman named Marsha Blackburn. Uh-oh, calling out names now. As much as I have in the past and would like to continue voting for a woman in office,
Starting point is 00:27:52 I cannot support Marsha Blackburn. Her voting record in Congress appalls and terrifies me. So, I mean, then she goes on, pulls out receipts about how she didn't vote for equal pay for women, voted against the reauthorization of violence against women acts, like, really lays it all. Yeah. So, I mean, this is like a 100 percent vanilla statement that couldn't possibly. It's not like she's taking a side because everything she said was like she says I'm voting for Phil Bredesen. Yeah. But she also says in it that she she chooses the people that she believes is right.
Starting point is 00:28:20 One hundred percent. Yeah. Which is a good way of telling people. I think. How could anyone object to what she was saying? Oh, wait, sorry. We have a Fox News clip, I'm told. Let's listen. Yeah, so again, clearly this wasn't going to go over well with the culture wars. So again, we're hearing, this is a juxtaposition that the Daily Beast put together of them talking about how brave Kanye is and how, you know, Taylor just needs to shut the fuck up.
Starting point is 00:28:45 And what I love about Kanye West is he has been blazing this trail saying it's OK to think freely. It's OK to oppose the status quo. And in fact, what makes America the greatest country in the history of the world is free thinking. This is what I used to love about Taylor Swift is she stayed away from politics. Thank you, Kanye West, for standing up for what is right. I just wish there would have been some some form of neutrality when she went about this, where she said just register to vote, make an informed decision. That would have been the proper way to go about this. And to have that kind of courage to wear the Make America Great Again hat. He said it best. He said they're trying to tell me I can't wear this. They're trying to tell me I can't support this president. Wow. See, the culture war has got
Starting point is 00:29:20 people hot. Well, I always I always just find it very hilarious because Republicans also go on the grounds that celebrities should shut the fuck up. Yeah. And no celebrity. Their whole thing is like, oh, these lefty liberal celebrities want to share their opinions, except that they voted the biggest wannabe celebrity in the world as president. And I'm like, you just negated your entire argument. But then they'll support Kanye if it's a celebrity who wants to speak that's on his side.
Starting point is 00:29:49 They're so thirsty for famous people. They're so thirsty. They do not have any fame. They have Tim Allen and they have Kanye now. Scott Baio. And Roseanne kind of-ish. Scott Baio.
Starting point is 00:30:01 Joe Piscopo. Scott Baio, right. I think Joe Piscopo has like a crazy right-wing radio show. One of the other 80s action hero dudes. Lorenzo Lamas, I think. Jesus. Victoria Jackson from SNL.
Starting point is 00:30:13 Okay, so. You know what I mean? Yeah, so when you look at that Culture Wars scoreboard, Taylor was a piece on that board. They weren't sure what side she was on. For the longest time, people were like, she's actually an Aryan goddess. Straight up neo-Nazis were thirsting for her
Starting point is 00:30:30 because she didn't let her political views known. That allowed those people to claim her as their Aryan goddess. Now with this coming out, they're like, shit. Okay, fuck it. She sucked the whole time anyway. We love Kanye. Remember when Kanye came out, when she won that VMA, they were like, who is this nasty black man? Oh, exactly.
Starting point is 00:30:50 They were so mad. I was literally about to say this. This is the only time we can document that Fox News has praised a black man publicly. They're like, Kanye is God. Well, that's the formula. If you sort of reverse course and embrace fully the racism of the Republican Party, you will be number one on their list. Yeah. Hey, welcome to the team, Taylor.
Starting point is 00:31:11 Welcome to the team of believing in human rights. You know, that's that's cool. I'm going to go the prodigal son here and just be like, yeah, the more the merrier. You know, you took a little while to get here, but I don't know what you were waiting for. But, you know, one thing she did point out is that the deadline to register to vote is today, the day that this episode drops, in like a bunch of states.
Starting point is 00:31:37 Like Arkansas, like a lot of states are like, you have to register in person or over mail by today or online in the next couple weeks. Arkansas, no online registration. We don't fuck with computers. Yeah, Arizona, the online registration is today. As you'll see, I just got through the A's of the alphabetical list. But yeah, just check when your deadline to register to vote.
Starting point is 00:32:01 If you're young and haven't registered, please do it because that's the only way to fight back. Whatever your beliefs are canadian and i cannot vote and i all i can to do is tell anybody whatever you're voting for get out there and vote come on man well george soros george soros in a few years yeah hit up uh george soros at gmail.com say i need a fake id to vote and he'll look you you up. Yeah. I think, again, it's good. And like you said, I mean, well, I guess clearly she said, I'm picking the Democrats in this race. She didn't use the word Trump. She didn't use the words Republican or Democrat. And yeah, definitely.
Starting point is 00:32:35 Look, at the end of it, she still said that people could, yeah. No, no. Yeah, I agree. And I think that's actually, like you said, better because that doesn't fully allow people to be like, oh, you see, she says I support the Democrats or something like that. She's like, I'm a woman. I think these are my values. This person does not align with that.
Starting point is 00:32:52 Therefore, it's a no for me, dog. Natasha, by the way, your father and I were talking and one way you could vote in America is get married. Well, hey, I have a green card. I just haven't taken my citizenship yet. There you go. There's a narrative emerging on the right in particular. I was informed by my YouTube app on my phone thinks I'm like right wing because they're like, I've got a video for you today, Jack.
Starting point is 00:33:19 It's the latest Tucker Carlson hot take. Oh, man. It's the latest Tucker Carlson hot take. Oh, man. This morning's Tucker Carlson hot take was all about how the Democrats blew it on Kavanaugh and how the Republicans outmaneuvered them. And I think it's just important because I was deep in that story enough to feel that way, right? Yeah, like how did they get that one? Right. And the truth is, given the proper context, it was always a Hail Mary that they would
Starting point is 00:33:51 be able to defeat any Supreme Court nominee because the Republicans have the numbers in the Senate and they are willing to do anything necessary to get a Supreme Court nominee through so yeah I mean regardless of the yeah absurd yeah and I think this is tying into the overall idea that the hearing and the testimony of dr. Blasey Ford and Kavanaugh that everybody watched watched launched this huge backlash that the Republicans are going to be bringing. But Miles, you were saying that most people vote. Yeah, you're angry.
Starting point is 00:34:33 People that are angry vote. If you're complacent, you have no motivation to change your situation through voting. Which is how we got here. Think about the attitude of the fall of 2016. Man, ain't nobody going to vote for this asshole. I know. Cut to. And now we're in a situation where, my goodness, man, progressive people, liberals, women, just people, people of color, they have an ax to fucking grind.
Starting point is 00:35:00 And yes, again, polling shows that Democrats are doing very well. But I think, yeah, definitely because the progressive side took the hit in this hearing, there's even more, I think, energy behind it. And I think Republicans are just telling themselves that because they're looking at something off in the distance and the sea coming towards them. And it looked like some kind of a wave. We don't know how big it is, but something will happen. And I just don't like this idea, like the outmaneuver thing thing it's so clearly a way to try and paint this administration as getting a win i know i hate that because it was clear it's like you guys just made it very clear to any
Starting point is 00:35:34 reasonable person that you really don't give a fuck about women what women have to say what exactly that they could be telling the truth about anything you're like no no no no and yeah now you want to make it like yeah well we got him in and we outmaneuvered them. And really all you did was just- Like there was so much strategy involved. No. The strategy was you have no moral scruples and you broke the rules. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:55 Right. So yeah, congrats because you showed your ass. That's really all that happened. And I think that's just them trying to spin this tragedy, travesty in a tragedy, a travesty like that. Yeah. And overall, the fact that the story came out that he was probably a sex crime, overall, that made him less popular. It kind of heightened the support and enthusiasm among Republicans, but it made them less popular with swing voters and independents and Democrats. And yes, there appears to be a backlash to the Me Too movement, but
Starting point is 00:36:32 that's nothing new. This just, I think, gave the people who are going to lash back about that movement an excuse to talk about it. It's like, you know, if patriarchy is a virus, you know what I mean? It tries to fight off any antibodies. That's right. And that's all that it's doing is trying to thrash and survive. Because there's even that woman who posted like, here's my son. He's a sailor. Like that him too bullshit.
Starting point is 00:36:57 And they're like, he refuses to go on solo dates anymore because he's afraid that feminists with an agenda are going to try and accuse him of something. Then the sailor himself comes down and goes, pause all of this, mother. My mom is wacky. She goes extra on the fucking social media. I've never said anything like this to her. And it just kind of shows you, again,
Starting point is 00:37:18 there's this whole culture wars aspect of it too that just played out in front of everyone. And also like a generation gap too. Like I think the people who are most concerned about the Me too movement are people who are from a bygone era yeah where they pulled shit and they're like i don't want people talking about how i used to behave exactly right or the you know no longer accepting the shit that i had to go through in some case there's a trend going on on the right where like on Drudge, on Fox News, they're covering this new trend where they're worried that the left is going to kill them. Rand Paul has said that his wife sleeps with a gun under her pillow because she's afraid that liberals are going to come and try and murder her in her sleep.
Starting point is 00:38:04 That's the first good news I've heard in weeks. But it's not pointed at her, unfortunately. I think it's under her. It's easier to shoot yourself in the face if your gun's under your pillow than at any other time. It's hanging on a mobile above the bed. She's like, I don't understand metaphor. And Drudge is conveniently pulling little pieces of quotes.
Starting point is 00:38:27 Like he has one of his headlines is Eric Holder, when Republicans go low, we kick them, which is just like him doing a play on the when they go low, we go high thing. A Hillary time for civility is over is also a quote that they're putting all over the place. It's just crazy to me that, and they're trying to act like there is a violent uprising on the left that is coming for the Fox News viewers of the world. So Tucker Carlson was covering this coming wave of left wing violence. Also, you will see them talking about civil war being an inevitability all over the place, and that's rarely discussed on the left. So Tucker Carlson was talking about the Hillary Clinton saying time for civility is over, and the idea that Antifa is going to kill
Starting point is 00:39:20 all the Christians in the world or whatever. And his guests made a very valid point, and we'll hear how he deals with that point. The violence that we're seeing across the country isn't really coming from the left, but actually from the right. You could show clips tonight of, you know, Dylann Roof preparing to kill people in a church in Charleston or clips of many of the other white supremacists who've gone on and killed people like in Charlottesville last year with heather heyer right now well actually yes you heard Maxine Waters say get in people's faces in restaurants gas stations. Tucker, that's not violence.
Starting point is 00:40:06 She's calling for peaceful protest. Actually, if you scream at someone to the point where they have to leave the restaurant, that is, I don't know, violence. That's an act of wild aggression, I would say. Oh, and we're the snowflakes? Yeah, it's always so annoying when the right uh categorizes the left defending right as offending right it's always just blows my mind it's like people saying oh when we don't want to make a cake for gay people right that's fine right but when we don't want to serve you in a restaurant because you're putting children in cages, you're violent.
Starting point is 00:40:47 Right. For saying that. That's ridiculous. And all the left ever does is say things like, it's time to end civility. And they're like, you're so violent. I'm like, we just said that. Right. We didn't do anything.
Starting point is 00:40:59 We just said that we were not going to be civil. That's as much as we ever do. I wish Democrats were more violent. I think there's an inherent. I mean, I don't mean. Yes, I know what you mean. But yeah, this is going to be on the front page. CIA, FBI, please flag this.
Starting point is 00:41:15 No, I specifically mean we should be more offensive in our political tactics. And I don't think that we should feel bad. That's a sort of violence. Being offensive is a sort of violence. If you listen to Tucky Carl babies. Yeah. I went to GW and I've been think that we should feel bad. That's a sort of violence. Being offensive is a sort of violence. If you listen to Tucky Carl babies. I went to GW and I've been to Crossfire and watched him live. And watching a little boy feel like a big boy.
Starting point is 00:41:36 It's wild, man. I mean, it's all in self-preservation though. That's the only way they can frame their actions is to be like, well, if we're completely infallible and right, then that's the only way I can protect myself from these people's valid criticisms and takedowns of my actions. But I think there's also a deep and inherent right-leaning ideology at the core of American values. And that's why, like, I don't think people, like the fact that the
Starting point is 00:42:01 Oklahoma City bombing was a right-wing person who, person, right-wing militia member, if that was any other cause, that would be what we remember it as, the left-wing communist bombing or whatever, the Islamic attack. But because it was right-wing, we just view it as a one-off, like a lone wolf guy or whatever. Because I think that's what even with Kavanaugh, we've realized we look at the actions of white men and be like, oh, he's just being a boy or like he's just being a domestic terrorist. They get to fail up. Yeah. White men get to fail up. There are dudes who are taking bombs to airports, like white men who are trying to make their own improvised explosive devices and booby trap shit, or people trying to hop on Amtrak trains with knives and shit. But I think in general, it's quick to just put those back there and like, of course, yeah, it's America, guys. There's going to be crazy conservative people who do wild shit.
Starting point is 00:43:01 Right. Can we move on? But we just forget about it. Because this black kid had a hoodie on. Right. And that's what we need to talk about. Yeah. And you see it in everyday stuff like police shootings, but that ends up getting blown up to the level of being written across our history. We just, you know, we remember the Oklahoma City bombing as the work of some lone lunatic with a buzz cut. And we remember the shooting in the church as being just like some random racist and not connecting it to this broad right wing ideology that is, you know, becoming more violent and more extreme in America. I mean, I think the one point would be the guy who
Starting point is 00:43:36 shot Steve Scalise. I mean, like he he was I get like on his things. He was saying, like, we have to bring Trump down and company or whatever. Totally. He definitely had. I mean, I'm surprised Tucker Carlson didn't bring that up. That would have been the closest thing he had to try and validate his point there. But yeah, even with Rand Paul, like there was that tweet that was going around that everyone had the same take on when it was like Rand Paul. I'm worried that, quote, someone is going to be killed because of political climate.
Starting point is 00:44:03 And everyone's like, yeah, her name is Heather Heyer. Like, what the fuck are you talking about? When I was in college, I was illegally arrested at a protest and then became part of a class action lawsuit against the Metropolitan Police Department for the way they detain people and stuff. Like, they had us hogtied right hand to left foot for over 12 hours, stuff like that. and stuff like they had us hog tied right hand to left foot for over 12 hours stuff like that and um it's interesting because i feel i feel like sometimes we have short memories and we think like oh this is like happening and it's terrible and it's for the first time
Starting point is 00:44:36 and when i remember how bad and like bleak things were during the bush administration i mean i'm like i think it's just we were so traumatized. We forgot that it was as bad as it was. And now it seems charming because he's like an old man who's playing with his raincoat, you know, outside because he probably has dementia. But it's not, you know, it wasn't charming then. And I think like we forgot the Patriot Act. We forgot like how terrible and scary it was. At that point, I was just a resident, like legal alien instead of a citizen and i was like oh i could get you know literally from this arrest they could just like send me home yeah and i feel like i i just want us to remember things uh get bad like
Starting point is 00:45:17 this and they will get bad like this again but i do think that we have to keep in mind that what you were saying about the right wing agenda, all that stuff is connected over years to those people who were active during the Bush administration that came out. We saw a bunch of like, you know, skinheads and stuff that would come out to protest to try to like mess with us and try to beat us up. And, you know, they always get bold and more active when the general feeling in the country is that this is more permissible. Yeah, absolutely. And we shouldn't forget that, like that Oklahoma bombing and Dylann Roof and the skinheads that came out during Bush and, you know, the National Alliance, all those people, they are all the same. It's that same wave of hate and xenophobia that just gets to come out more when someone is in charge who condones it. And meanwhile, the right, if somebody who is Muslim
Starting point is 00:46:13 attacks a country, they're just like, well, we can go to war with Iraq because that country also is majority Muslim. And there are a lot of contracts to be added. Yes, but they're, you know. Yeah, I mean, they'll just need that justification. They'll connect anybody who has the same hair color. It's also the same in entertainment, right? It's like if a movie comes out that is fronted by women or directed by a woman and everybody touts that and the movie's not good,
Starting point is 00:46:42 it's like the movie is bad because it's woman-oriented. And it's like if the same happens if a movie is like a quote-unquote black movie. And it's like, oh, well, a black star didn't bring in the box office. People don't care about watching black people. And that's, you know, that's not really the case, obviously. Right. All right. We're going to take another quick break.
Starting point is 00:47:02 We'll be right back. All right, we're going to take another quick break. We'll be right back. Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16th, 2017 was murdered. There are crooks everywhere you look now. The situation is desperate. My name is Manuel Delia. I am one of the hosts of Crooks Everywhere,
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Starting point is 00:48:10 introduction. I'm going to slip you a couple of 20s under the table for that. Emma Roberts. When it came into my email inbox, I was like, okay, I know I'm going to love this so much that I don't even want to read it. Because if I can't be in it, I'm going to be bummed. And Colin Jost. You know, your wife was the first guest in Table for Two. It's come full circle. As long as I do better in it. I'm going to be bummed. And Colin Jost. You know, your wife was the first guest on Table for Two.
Starting point is 00:48:27 It's come full circle. As long as I do better than her, I'm happy. Table for Two is a bit different from other interview shows. We sit down at a great restaurant for a meal, maybe a glass of rosé, and the stories start flowing. Our second season is airing right now, so you can catch up on our conversations that are intimate, surprising, and often hilarious. Listen to Table for Two with Bruce Bozzi on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Carrie Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports, where we live at the intersection of sports and culture. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry, Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese.
Starting point is 00:49:11 I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Every great player needs a foil. I ain't really near them boys. I just come here to play basketball every single day, and that's what I focus on. From college to the pros, Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Angel Reese is a joy to watch. She is unapologetically black. I love her.
Starting point is 00:49:32 What exactly ignited this fire? Why has it been so good for the game? And can the fanfare surrounding these two supernovas be sustained? This game is only going to get better because the talent is getting better. This new season will cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. This summer, the nation watched as the Republican nominee for president was the target of two assassination attempts separated by two months.
Starting point is 00:50:08 These events were mirrored nearly 50 years ago when President Gerald Ford faced two attempts on his life in less than three weeks. President Gerald R. Ford came stunningly close to being the victim of an assassin today. And these are the only two times we know of that a woman has tried to assassinate a U.S. president. One was the protege of infamous cult leader Charles Manson. I always felt like Lynette was kind of his right-hand woman. The other, a middle-aged housewife working undercover for the FBI in a violent revolutionary underground. Identified by police as Sarah Jean Moore. The story of one strange and violent summer. This is Rip Current.
Starting point is 00:50:48 Available now with new episodes every Thursday. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. Jamie Lee Curtis is trending. And I had to look into this. Why is she trending? Is something wrong with Activia yogurt? No.
Starting point is 00:51:10 It turns out Fox News was trying to get a thing going yesterday. They quote, Jamie Lee Curtis wields firearm in new Halloween movie despite advocating for gun control. Okay. What the fuck? Do you know what a fucking movie is? This set off a bunch of really great tweets. Like Jason Gilbert tweeted, Tim Allen murders Santa Claus in 1994 movie
Starting point is 00:51:36 despite advocating for celebration of Christmas. And just all sorts of other. Or like, you know, Fox News presents no news despite being a news organization. Wow. Well, you know, all that culture war shit, like they really have to find a thing to be like, I can't believe she talked about advocated for gun control. And then they're like, how can we get her back? Oh, you're holding a gun in a movie? I think that Fox News just has the take of just like the worst neighbor on the block always.
Starting point is 00:52:05 Just a neighbor that like no matter what even if it doesn't make sense to say they have to say it in that tone. Right. Like well right. Should you really be chemically watering your lawn? I mean we are all doing
Starting point is 00:52:22 it. But should we? Yeah there's this sort of disingenuous cultural commentary coming from the right and from Fox News lately. So during the Kavanaugh hearing, Molly Ringwald was like, yeah, there was some really fucked up stuff in some of my movies. Like in one of the movies, I think it's Pretty in Pink or 16 Candles, a drunk girl is given to somebody as like, here, have fun with her. And it's just like considered cool. Right. And she was like, that in retrospect, not all right.
Starting point is 00:52:54 And Fox News was like, oh, come on. What? People can't do like bad stuff in movies? What? So now all movies are just going to have to be people sitting around and peacefully discussing their problems? It's just like, oh. I feel like all of Fox News should just be that impression. Oh, come on.
Starting point is 00:53:12 Oh, come on. Oh, come on. Like, now it matters how the populace votes? Right. Oh, come on. Oh. Now we care about racism? Right.
Starting point is 00:53:19 Oh, wow. Now, like, you care about who's your Supreme Court justice at all? Like, you need a better, come on. Oh, come on. Oh, come on. But anyways. Come on. Now, like, you care about who's your Supreme Court justice at all? Like, you need a bad, come on. Oh, come on. Oh, come on. But anyways. Come on. Do we have to explain why that's stupid?
Starting point is 00:53:31 That movies have points of view and characters within them are not. Do you even, explaining this out loud is making me die inside. It's very frustrating. I also think it's funny, like, this notion that, like like Molly Ringwald and Jamie Lee Curtis are like in charge of movie. Yes. Right. Hello, I am sitting in a chair. It is literally my understanding of movies when I was like four, like when I first saw it.
Starting point is 00:53:58 And I was like, I don't like him because he's mean. It's like, yo, like that. But you guys are grownups who are actually covering the culture for a large portion of Americans. So try harder, Fox News. So our office this morning is talking about LeBron James. LeBron!
Starting point is 00:54:17 LeBron on Wednesday had his first, or not his first appearance as a Laker, but it was a preseason game where he looked really good. And finally, super producer Sophie Lichterman his first, or not his first appearance as a Laker, but it was a preseason game where he looked really good. And finally, super producer Sophie Lichterman was excited about it. She was like, I was thinking for the first time that this could be a good thing for the Lakers because she's a Kobe stan and she is in that group of Lakers fans who think that
Starting point is 00:54:43 there's some sort of conflict between liking Kobe and liking LeBron, just because LeBron's better than Kobe. Well, he's a sex creme. Dissonant. Yeah, there's also that. But also, a thing we're just learning, other than that LeBron is still good at basketball,
Starting point is 00:54:58 shocking Laker fans, is that he's apparently that cool dad who lets his kids drink. He said that his kids are super mature, and he was like, they drank wine. Yeah, they're 11 and 14. I mean, I don't know. A lot of people, I think, took it immediately because they want to vilify him as like, these kids are drunk off wine all day. Right.
Starting point is 00:55:21 And I don't know if it's more like the European angle. Yeah, I was going to say like, you know, and i don't know if it's more like the european angle where yeah i was gonna say like you know every kid in france right and like even my mom like you know she traveled a lot in europe when i was a kid i would be like i want to taste your wine she's like yeah whatever you're not gonna like it and i didn't right like drinking the foam off my dad's beer or some shit i wasn't like fucking twisted at four years old dirty. Sipping the foam off my daddy's beer. But, you know, I think I would like to know what the amounts are before we have any judgment. Yeah. If he's cutting it with water. I think that's totally fair.
Starting point is 00:55:53 I also do wonder, like, what are the goals as a rich parent? You know what I mean? Like, do you want to be like, hey, like, this is how rich dad is. Get drunk. Right. You want to know how good we're doing? Get drunk. Go drive dad's car around.
Starting point is 00:56:09 See if they can do anything to us. Yeah, it's interesting. There are those parents who are like the cool parents who everybody drinks at their house. That's different, though. Right. You're talking about like Saudi Arabia? What do you mean? Cool parents?
Starting point is 00:56:25 Everybody gets drunk at their house. Yeah. What, what? Well, I think, yeah. Everywhere else has rules, not here. Not here. Guys, go wild, okay? I'll turn my back to everything.
Starting point is 00:56:34 Right. But I don't know. Yeah, like, that's right. Like, I don't know. Parents who are just like, I'd rather have my kids get super twisted at home. Right. Than go out somewhere else and do it. Like there's an argument of like, you know, you can demystify like the taboos around alcohol. If early on kids realize you can responsibly drink or whatever.
Starting point is 00:56:52 But like, I don't know about the shit of like party at home. How do you feel about those parents? Because like I always hear those parents in response to their kid. But then I always wonder what it's like for parents whose kids hang out with that kid. Oh, yeah. That there is a dad who's like, get drunk at my house. Yeah. Right.
Starting point is 00:57:08 Yeah. I understand. I think it's just more like sort of it's the fear based parenting where they're like, well, it's better here than just some party in Woodland Hills. Right. Which I knew people like that. I don't know. I think that can that's a slippery slope a little bit.
Starting point is 00:57:22 Did you guys go to high school parties? Were you those guys? Yeah. I went to high school parties. Ragers? Yeah, there were some ragers. And there were some, the ragers were always at the house where the parents were cool with the rager happening.
Starting point is 00:57:33 Yeah, exactly. Which was wild. There were always, the kickbacks were for, yo, my parents had a wedding. Yeah. Come through. You know what I mean? That was the kickback. The rager, it was like at homegirl, and I'm going to say her name, Katie Sanfilippo's
Starting point is 00:57:44 house. Her mom was there. Shout out to nato cindy nato she was fucking out there being like you guys need more blah blah blah like yeah i get that but again those kids i don't know i mean not all of them ended up odd but i think yeah i know like i know a couple of parents who were like the cool parent who let the parties happen at their house and their kid ended up in rehab, but then it's not always that way. And I know plenty of kids with really strict parents who ended up in rehab. Right.
Starting point is 00:58:18 These are like all the reasons that my dad and mom growing up as like devout Muslim parents were like, you will not have friends. Right. There are no friends. Friends is where the problem starts. Friends equals ideas. Exactly. We don't want you to have ideas.
Starting point is 00:58:33 So you didn't go to any ragers? None. Well, unless you count the sleepover where we watched The Shining and I was the only one that stayed up. Ragers. Wow. What, like everyone was asleep? Yeah, because everyone falls asleep during that movie and then wakes up to all the blood. Right, right, right.
Starting point is 00:58:48 That's usually how that goes. What's going on in that elevator? But I was like, I will not sleep. I will see this the whole way through. I barely get out of the house. I'm going to enjoy every moment of this. So I wanted to check back in with the microwave theory about U.Ss diplomats because um yep there it is so uh tell people what you think is going on well so lay it out in cuba like right at the start of the
Starting point is 00:59:15 trump administration uh diplomats started complaining of nausea and headaches and hearing these like loud noises and they started speculating that it was some sort of covert attack from some unknown weapon that you know our military had not scientifically discovered like didn't know was possible because all like the way the incidents were described it would have to be like sound waves or you know it was more recently speculated that uh microwaves could do this because microwaves at the right frequency can cause like a clicking to you to hear like a clicking in your ear but i've from the start just based on having read a lot about mass hysteria, and I think they're called socially caused illnesses or something.
Starting point is 01:00:11 But basically, I've always thought that's what was going on. And so once the New York Times wrote this article about how microwaves were a possibility, this huge community of conspiracy theorists jumped on board and were like, yeah, see, we've been talking about this from day one. So there's this huge community of people who claim about 4,000 different members across the United States. Yeah, what do you call yourselves? They call themselves... Oh, they. They believe they're the objects of secret electronic attacks.
Starting point is 01:00:52 And there's a worldwide association called Freedom for Targeted Individuals. So they all think that the government is like beaming them with microwaves and like attacking them wherever they go. But because there's this, like because these diplomats claim that are starting to claim that like micro,
Starting point is 01:01:16 they must have been microwave attacks. It's given fuel to this fire of conspiracy. Because they can go see. Right, that's right. So they started taking out, there's this one creepy billboard near Phoenix, Arizona, where it says, contract stalking and electronic assaults.
Starting point is 01:01:34 These growing crimes are not being stopped. Inform yourself. Share, demand change, freedom for targeted individuals. So they call themselves targeted individuals. A 2016 study by a guy named David James found that of 1,040 people who reported being stalked in a survey, the 128 who said they were stalked by a group or a gang were all likely delusional. So that's a thing. all likely delusional.
Starting point is 01:02:04 So that's a thing. One of the creepiest and saddest type of YouTube videos that you can find are people who think they're being stalked by gangs. That's really sad. And they're like, see, that was the third time that person walked by today. And it's like, that's your neighbor. You're paranoid.
Starting point is 01:02:18 Sounds like some Kanye shit, honestly. Right. Oh, absolutely. They have billboards? Yeah, they're putting up billboards. Do they explain like, oh, I worked on this thing, that's why I'm being targeted, or I worked with this politician, or I know this secret about a bank? Yeah. Or is it just like-
Starting point is 01:02:36 Is there any reasoning, or they just think they've been selected to be followed? I think they just believe they've been selected. I'm sure some of them have better reasons than others. Or maybe in their minds, they have a reason to. I don't know. Yeah've been selected I'm sure some of them or maybe in their minds they have a reason to I don't know yeah no I mean I'm yeah the visual I get in my head is of literal microwaves
Starting point is 01:02:54 shooting like laser beams at people from the sky yeah I like that just floating microwave like that old screensaver remember after dark there's the toaster with wings screensaver yeah nope anybody Dark? There's the toaster with wings screensaver. Yeah. Nope.
Starting point is 01:03:06 Anybody? The one that went up and down. It was just like toasters. I imagine the microwaves with wings. Updated version. But these groups, because these used to be isolated individual people, the people who were paranoid and thought they were being stalked. But now social media has allowed them to create like, create support groups and find one another.
Starting point is 01:03:28 And enable it even further. Yeah. And now they're getting, like, legislation passed. In 2015, the city council in Richmond, California, passed a resolution that decried, quote, stalking by space-based weaponry in solidarity with these, quote, targeted individuals. I'm sorry, what, Richmond? You signed legislation that had the word space-based what? Yeah, space-based weaponry. They thought they were being stalked by space-based weaponry.
Starting point is 01:03:57 You know, they just heard from probably a handful of constituents or, you know, one member of this group got to, you know, three other people who were like, oh, okay, that makes sense. Right, right. Wow. Like legitimizing paranoia. Yeah. I mean, it's the same thing that is happening with, you know, anti-vaxxers and shit like
Starting point is 01:04:19 that. So do you think like the legislators just like, you know, honestly, like what, it's not going to change anything for anyone if we sign this into law. They're like, let's just fucking do it. So they leave us alone. Or do you think that the people were actually like, no, I believe this is important. I don't think anybody probably believes it. No, I don't think I don't think any of the people on the city council probably believe it there.
Starting point is 01:04:42 You can get anything passed through city council they'll just be like all right anyone object passed all right moving on to the next thing on our docket the zeit gang is now hereby recognized as an actual gang right perfect but yeah so i don't know that that's something i didn't know about was that targeted individuals was something to look out for this is from a a writer at BuzzFeed News, Dan Vergano, who is even more on this whole thing is bullshit tip than I am, and I've been on that from day one, but he's like, this is definitely mass hysteria.
Starting point is 01:05:16 Right, right. So what do you guys call your group? BuzzFeed? Yes, BuzzFeed. It's called BuzzFeed. For the buzzing in my ears. And is feeding my paranoia. I don't know why I'm getting...
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