The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 47 (Best of 10/22/18-10/26/18)

Episode Date: October 28, 2018

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Oh, sneakers. I mean, since living in L.A., I see lines and lines of people just outside sneaker stores or what I call trainers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What? It's just shoes, guys. Yeah. Chill out. Yeah. I don't get that.

It's because of the – it's a few things. There was a recent study by some kind of psychological journal that was saying that materialism is like exponentially rising with younger people right now. Oh, it's in. Yeah. Oh. Like stuff is people right now. Oh, it's in. Yeah. Oh, materialism is so hot. Well, it's so weird because I noticed on Instagram, you see 14-year-old kids wearing basically the equivalent of $1,400 outfits of expensive streetwear brands.

Right. And they have a Louis Vuitton Supreme leather jacket on. They're like first day of sophomore year of high school. And you're like, okay. Well, anyway, that's clearly your family. Is it because we now live in a reality where we actually live online right yeah and so it's like it's like sims you've got like these characters they're the characters online and they've got like these beautiful sneakers and right t-shirts and like oh look how many likes

i can get yeah it's your avatar but i think also i mean i've been a huge sneakerhead since i since i could ever afford to buy my own shoes. And the game has changed. You know, like it used to be just for the people who really liked the sneakers and they would wear them. And that was all good. And then as they gained value, the reseller market came up. And that caused a lot of people now to just buy things simply to just make a profit off of buying these things. And then profiting off these other people who are then the second market is like the materialistic people with disposable income who are there for the Instagram flex.

Yeah. It's all the game's all fucked up. Yeah. I think it's like Instagram and the fact that I don't know that corporate America figured something out because during the 90s there was such a thing as selling out. And then that just went away. Corporate America figured out like, oh, we need to do this to infiltrate their psyches and now kids are like selling out yeah i wish yeah like i wish fucking sell out like i wish they would buy me yeah i just yeah i just don't i just don't get it i like i you know there's if you enjoy a pair of sneakers i won't judge you for that yeah but

like the for me the idea of like meeting someone and then someone, because I look at people in the eyes, and then the idea of looking them down and going, oh, shit. Oh, you've got bows? What are those? We can't talk. Yeah, right? Damn, where'd you get those? Yeah.

I mean, I have never waited in line, mostly just off the principle of it. I just don't feel like that's something you wait in line, like camp out for. A snake. Yeah. Yeah. Just fucking, if you can't get them, then whatever. And do, you know, people use bots.

Like that's another thing people use is like they buy, they're like algorithmic programs that will like instantly buy something, like force buy a product for you online because everyone's trying to buy something. But if you have bots, you have an event. It's, the game is fucked up, like I said.

Yeah. I'm not above it. And also, I've been judging kids by their sneakers since I was 10. Yeah. At basketball camp. Oh, hell yeah. I remember that. Well, at basketball camp especially,

because there wasn't cool gear that you could have other than your shoes. Right, right, right. So the shoes were the thing. Oh, he got those CB34 Charles Barkley Air Maxes. Right. Yeah, I remember catching myself as a kid being like, wait, you're being

wildly superficial. Oh, yeah. I remember that too. Oh, you're whack. Look at your shit shoes. Actually, that makes sense now. In America, you don't have

school uniforms, do you? Right. Well, it depends. If you go to public school. But not as many. I went to uniform school. Oh, okay, right. So sneakers were like

my one way to differentiate. Right, that makes sense. Because, yeah, in the UK sneakers were like my one way to differentiate. Right, that makes sense. Because yeah, in the UK, regardless of whether it's public or private, we all have school uniforms. Yeah. So you're not allowed to have like trainers or anything like sneakers. Oh, even down to the shoes probably, right? Yeah, it's like black shoes.

Or there's a very, very strict rule like they have to be sort of dress shoes or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I didn't think about it actually. Is this like a sort of status symbol in school? Oh, yeah. And that's why a lot of public schools began to do uniforms, too, because they're like free dress is like too much of a distraction for some kids.

It's a distraction, but also it's like, you know, it makes you feel shit if you pull. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially when kids pull up in $1,400 outfits and, you know, you're just rocking some regular shit. If you're doing just the broad outline school uniform where it's like, okay, you have to have a white shirt and black khakis or something. Black khakis.

Yeah, you know. Blackies. Well-known blackies. Uh-oh. Isolate that sound bite. Yes. I feel like that can get you in trouble. My cousin went to this all-girls school in Los Angeles,

and it was like a school uniform, but because you could color inside the lines and a little bit outside the lines, then there were three pieces of clothing that you had to get that everybody had, and then it was the dope white shirt or whatever. Oh, right, the fit of it was different. And the designer.

It just lessens the number of things that you can do. And so the focus becomes even more intense on who the designer is or what the tag says or whatever. We always had to go to a uniform shop that was out in some industrial park. Right. And it was called Sue Mills or Dennis Uniform Company. Right. And you'd be there. It was a racket, too. Yeah. Where the was called like Sue Mills or Dennis Uniform Company. Right. And like you'd be there and like it was a racket too.

Yeah. Where like the schools are making money, they were making money. I'm like, whatever. Yeah, you got to make your uniform impossible to make look cool.

The only way we could flex is change the color of your undershirt of your polo. Oh, nice. And then they catch on. They're like, you can only be black or white

because I wear like orange or like wear like a green long sleeve. You could flex with a beautiful lexicon. Yeah. Right't have to it doesn't have to be on the outside you would be a you would be the coolest teacher let me tell you about another type of flex I'd be a great teacher but I was an awful student in terms of like gentlemen why not use our lexicons get him yeah so let's talk about trump's relationship with journalists because as we've talked about earlier last week the journalist jamal kesho g was murdered uh by the saudi basically by muhammad bin salman and his hand. Like there's footage of his main dude walking in the day of the murder.

And Trump has used this opportunity to, and Trump late last week admitted that, yeah, the Saudi probably goes pretty high up in Saudi Arabia and they're probably responsible and he was murdered. uh in saudi arabia and they're probably responsible and he was murdered but he's not laying off first of all he's not you know committing to any actual reaction or any consequences but he's also just not stopped talking about journalists yeah in general yeah yeah he had a rally in montana last week and some people might not remember this but in the build-up to the 2016 election there's this guy greg jam forte from out there he body slammed a guardian reporter who was just asking him a question and because he's so

aggro and unfit for office he wwe'd this dude and he still won because that's just the reality some people live in where that is cool uh but then at this rally trump was just sort of like yeah he's my kind of guy or like anyone who can do a body slam somebody he's my kind of guy and just sort of you know letting people know he co-signs these kinds of violent attacks on journalists and yeah when you couple that with just sort of his total inaction with the hashogioggi thing, it's just like, OK, so we're seeing now that he's slowly letting us embrace a world where we're like really just just going to. I don't know if this turns into like the rationalization for people be like, well, I think that journalists deserve to be attacked. Right. And like that's where we're slowly going to go.

Well, yeah, they're very slowly, but they are actually in the process of moving in that direction. slowly, but they are actually in the process of moving in that direction. So while Trump is not saying anything about Khashoggi deserving it, you know, and by the way, we talked on an earlier episode about how the thing that got Khashoggi, like the order of silence from Mohammed bin Salman was him talking shit about the Trump administration. So, you know, Trump is basically directly implicated in this dude's death. Trump is not saying anything out loud, but hardline Republicans and conservative commentators are issuing basically a whisper campaign that's designed to, you know, protect President Trump from people saying that he should be more hardline on Saudi Arabia, and, you know, to make Khashoggi look bad. Like a villain.

Yeah, like a villain. Well, that's standard shit. Just like when they're unarmed young black men killed, oh, that was a man in a young man's body, or this dude is a thug, or he had a fucking, he was in a photo with a gun once, or Botham Jean had weed in his fucking house when the police officer came into his fucking house and shot him dead. Like, this is just the same shit. Just smear the victim.

Try and eliminate any empathy going in that direction. Yeah. And be like, yeah, so once we just smear the shit out of this dude, then it'll be easier for people to swallow the fact that you just did fuck all. And we continue this relationship. You know, what's funny, too, when all theans shout about fucking sharia law and all this stuff and he's like fully embracing the same you know i i don't know i i just can't wrap my head around all this shit right now and it's starting to become a little overwhelming yeah uh but well you know when you're when you're selling stuff and you're getting commission right that's basically what

trump's doing he's how many how many billions of dollars of weapons has he sold to Saudi Arabia? Well, right now, the big deal he wants is like 110 right now. And I think with another like 200 or 300 billion coming down the pipeline over like 10 years. Right. So when you've got a client who's going to get you big commission. Yeah. Oh, can I kiss your penis, please? That's essentially what he's doing.

Yeah. Well, he loves money, and that's his God. God is his money. So as long as we're talking dollars, it makes sense. You know what's really shitty is we all know that Trump must be so sad, right? Right. What kind of life does he, like, we all know that at some point, you know, money's useful. You know, you've you gotta pay some bills

and stuff like that but most people I know once you've got like maximum 100 grand in the bank you kinda don't need anymore and that's a lot of money 100 grand

that's a lot of money yeah and this guy's just like I need some more money yeah more money it's like an addiction he's gonna die

just surrounded by gold and he's gonna cause I know in his fantasy world he pulls up to the academy awards and everyone's like an addiction. He's going to die just surrounded by gold. Because I know in his fantasy world, he pulls up to the Academy Awards and was like, Donald Trump. And Jay-Z comes up to him and is like, you're the man. And Beyonce is like, yeah. No, but he so deeply wants the attention or the approval of traditional celebrities. Like all the ones, like the De Niros of the world, like this guy's a fucking asshole or whatever. Like if he had that,

he would be like, I'm on cloud nine. But I think that's, what's killing him inside slowly too, is like, cause you can tell the shit that he, he wants to be part of the crowd that he isn't part of. That's why he talks so ill of his own supporters sometimes.

And like secretly he's like, oh, they're slobs. It's like, oh, this place sucks. At the same time, I think if he got any of the

things he thinks he wants he'd still be miserable. Yeah he'd never be happy. He's just got that the world's biggest black hole in the middle of his soul. What if you got all new hair though? What if he said I can get your hairline back to when you were nine years old? Yeah then I think he'd finally be happy. What a nice strong hug.

Just come here mate. Come here. It's okay. You fucked up quite a lot. Let's fix some things. Right, and I think another thing to point out, as Nick super producer Stumpf was pointing out, was just sort of the tie-in and relationship of Kushner and his need for money for his building,

which is still on, what was it? 666, what the fuck is the address fifth avenue fifth avenue or whatever he's got that uh they have their own little uh whatsapp group that they talk in and you know the relationship with the saudis because of their oil production is one that is further complicates things and adds other dimensions to this for example as uh anna hosnia slides me this note you know like oil price is already going up and that's already pissing Trump off. Like, what are we going to do? It's.

Yeah. Whatever. So, I mean, the specific things that are being said, the equivalent of a Facebook post where the, you know, black kid who got shot by the cops was smoking weed. black kid who got shot by the cops was smoking weed the equivalent of that for Hesho G is that he was tied to the Muslim Brotherhood like early in his career like once said something that was vaguely positive about them and has since like spent his career talking about like speaking out against things like that and then he was also embedded as a reporter covering Osama bin Laden like a really huge get to actually like go and travel around with Osama bin Laden and report

on that and now Donald Trump jr. is like yeah he was palling around with with Osama bin Laden and there's like Fox News shows that are saying Khashoggi was tied to the Muslim Brotherhood. Yeah, okay, well. Yeah. It just shows you how they're willing to fucking do anything.

Yeah. Just all in the name of money. I mean, I agree that we should hurt some journalists. Which ones? Call them out. Okay, well, let's say all these In Touch magazines and these star magazines, right? Those aren't journalists, Eric.

Yeah, but they call themselves journalists. Do they? Don't they? I don't know. If I met somebody who was like, I'm a journalist, I'd go, oh, who do you write for? And they go, OK Magazine. I would say, get the fuck out of my face. Isn't that a type of journalism?

Like, oh, so what's Katy Perry up to? Oh, look how fat her knees are. I mean, if you're just merely just looking at pictures and commenting, I don't know if that makes you a journalist. I don't understand why people are annoyed at people trying to find the truth. That, for me, is fascinating. Hey, he's trying to find the truth and make the world a better place. Yeah, well, people are just too...

Their egos are too fragile, and I think at some level, especially if you're doing bad shit, on some level, some people do know that what they're doing is wrong. And a journalist only brings that mirror up to your face. And I think that's a sensation people like that just do not want to experience at all. Self-reflection. Yeah. So, producer Ana Hosniyeh, you look like you have something to say? I just wanted to add that he's basically being punished for being a

journalist who had access to the Muslim Brotherhood and bin Laden, who was out there doing a very dangerous job, which was reporting both sides of what was happening in the Middle East when it comes to terrorism and or extremist groups. It's something that most people are not capable of doing. And he was able to get in there, interact with bin Laden, interact, travel with the Muslim Brotherhood, and see what was happening with his own eyes and report on it, which is not something you necessarily should be punished for because it's kind of a very fascinating angle that we as people in America who mostly follow the mainstream media will never understand or learn about

unless someone's out there. And it's crazy that he basically is being smeared with that. Well that's the point they want to obscure it. They're trying to remove the fact that he's a journalist. They're just saying he's a terrorist. And what you actually described was really good

journalism because you're showing two sides of the story because there's always two sides of the story. And I also want to make a point that if he was someone who did get involved with the actual There's always two sides of the story. Because there's always two sides of the story. And he got... And I also want to make a point that if he was someone who did get involved with the actual terrorism aspect of the people he was with, he would have not in present day been writing for the Washington Post. He would not have gotten as far as he has. The Washington Post doesn't give columns to terrorists.

It doesn't really work like that. It means his work was worth enough value for him to get as far as he did and i think that's what's getting completely disregarded in this whole situation well that's yeah i think everyone who understands what the reality of the situation is all knows that but this is just such a sad attempt at trying to just like use these really suspect arguments to be to equate him to a terrorist. Let's say he was a fucking wild liar journalist or whatever. The fact is, he's exercising his right to free speech either way, and I don't think he wasn't saying anything

that was necessarily slanderous or whatever. It was just the fact that he was exposing things, and that was suppressed, and that cost him his life. No government kills someone that cost him his life. No government kills someone that's a bit crazy. They kill the one that knows something. Of course. They know people who are a threat or who can get other people to

wake up to something. The end. The end of the conversation. I mean, that's surely... Why is everyone debating about who he is as a person? Well, we're not. They are. They're trying to figure out how they're going to split it. For me, it's just like, done, move on. In this case, I feel like it's the most

insecure of governments because when you put a 30-year-old in charge the whole time, he hasn't built up his skin to be like, nah, it doesn't matter what they say.

I'm the one that's in charge. That's what matters. Now, you have a 30-year-old who probably reads Twitter, sees shit about him, and is just like, well, fuck that. I will not have this.

I will make sure that man is dead because he looked at me the wrong way. Literally, it's the equivalent of he stepped on my shoes, and now he's dead because I run this powerful regime, and that's the way I want it. It is like a child president.

Boy King. Yeah, Boy King, exactly. He's also trying to impress a guy who is the most insecure human being in the world who is our president. And so he, you know. This is what two tiny weenies does.

Yeah, I just don't think it should be underrated that he told Khashoggi to be silent after he criticized Donald Trump. That's crazy. Don't fuck my checkup. I asked everybody when they came into work today if they're horror fans. Marlene, I haven't asked you yet, I don't think. Oh, no.

We don't have a single horror fan in the office. And I think it's interesting because I think it's the most social society bound of our movies. In 200 years when people look back at our movies horror movies are going to seem the weirdest it's like okay that person's wearing a mask and like walking around and stabbing young women to death right like it's just i don't know yeah in this case a giant mentally ill person in a blank mask walks around murdering people in the most inefficient way as possible and like booby traps the house with their bodies. That just seems like a weird dream. Right.

But it's very popular. It's also weird because so I always follow the box office and this was a huge success. And box office mojo talks about like exit exit tracking and what audiences thought. And it got a B+, which is usually not that good for a huge hit movie like this. But they were saying it's actually really good for a horror movie. That it got a B+. That it got a B+, which is not usually very good. If a normal blockbuster got a B+, they'd be like,

it's not tracking very well for word of mouth. And the other big horror hit from earlier this year was Hereditary, which did really well based on word of mouth, and that had a D audience rating. Oh.

So it's this kind of riddle about what is it that we love about horror movies because it's a negative experience it's like the more negative the experience the better it is sure um but yeah i don't know it's also more like it's tied to our anxieties uh i was really into slasher movies when i was like eight and nine years old i asked my my dad to take me to see Friday the 13th 8 Jason Takes Manhattan on my ninth birthday. No, that's not what it's called. Yes, it is. Oh, it is. Was that before or after Muppets Take Manhattan?

It was after. It was like, hey, look at this fun play. That's very on purpose. Oh, wait. They were taking shots at Muppets Take Manhattan? I think so. Yeah. Wow. I like that. They're like, you don't fuck these Muppets. Jason's up in Manhattan now. And by the way, so my dad eventually saw Friday the 13th 7 on TV and was like, oh, I can't take you to this. This is so fucked up. What's wrong with you? And then I think he became very concerned about me.

But I think it was because then at a certain point, two years later, I just wasn't interested in those movies anymore. And I think it was something to do with psychosexual developmental thing because I was really into watching giant hulking maniacs stab women to death. I don't know what the fuck that was. And then I was over it. Yeah, I don't know what the fuck that was. And then I was like, over it. Yeah, and then you started collecting sickly animals.

Right. Found your new... We can't go back. I won't be able to. Only forward. Dang it. Wait, Muppets. I'm sorry.

Muppets Take Manhattan, five years before Jason. Yeah, so the Jason thing was supposed to be like a cheeky- Well, was that construction always there? Like someone takes Manhattan? I don't know. Was Muppets the first? Whatever. I was pretty sure it's just Muppets.

Sure. Good for you, Jason. Yeah. Way to go. Also, most of that movie takes place on a cruise ship. I just hate being- I'm so laid back that if a movie starts trying to fuck with me I'm like yo yo you're trying to take me out of my zone

I like thrillers and shit I like tense movies love me a thriller I don't like like ahhh type shit no sir I mean but usually when I watch it

it's always because a bunch of people are like hey let's check this out and I will but I'm never seeking a horror film yeah unless it's

it's more experience than film yeah and I think that's what it is. It's more just sitting there kind of losing my shit. Right. Not eating popcorn. And I guess like...

The whole point. As someone who had just terrible anxiety, I'm like, the last thing I want is a 90-minute just hit of fucking straight anxiety and fear. But, you know, I guess I can't uh change my perception of the films a little bit well there's this kind of loose study done about uh horror movies that come out during republican versus democratic administrations and they found that more vampire movies came out during democratic administrations and more zombie movies came out during republican administrations and the theory is that when you're scared of Republicans,

you're scared of zombies. And when you're scared of Democrats, you're scared of vampires because they sort of like the groaning masses represents what Democrats think about Republican voters and vampires being like weird, sexual, deviant Europeans is what Republicans fear about Democrats. And I just feel like it's the most direct tie between like entertainment and what our like society is thinking about and worrying about. Right. Well, yeah, because you can definitely map all kinds of social things to so many of these movies that were coming out.

Yeah. I guess that can make sense. I don't know. But are you talking, are they talking, and you may not have the answer, but are they talking all vampire movies or like all the scary movies were vampire movies?

Because I feel like in Obama, Twilight was happening and it wasn't scary. It was vampires, but it wasn't scary. Yeah. I mean, at the same time, it was like young people going to see the hip new vampire and their parents were probably like don't see that hip vampire like it kind of maps to obama like young people are into this vampire well you know they're republican parents so they would take

into account all vampiric content yeah they. And it was just like a slight statistical upward trend. I just think it's more interesting to think about how horror movies map to our social issues and social anxieties. I think Michael Myers is interesting because I was reading about the design of his mask and they were just talking about the importance of it being blank just like a blank expression because like the blank mask in drama theory is like the thing that allows you to project your own like inner thoughts and feelings onto something so i'd imagine that michael myers would be more popular at times when we're particularly anxious and the fact that he's you know unprecedentedly popular,

the Halloween movie broke all sorts of records this weekend, might just have to do with the fact that there's more anxiety, just general anxiety in our culture right now. Super producer Nick Stumpf just pointed out that it's Danny McBride who co-wrote it along with his, you with his directing partner. I did not know that.

Now I kind of want to go. Was it funny? Do you know if it's funny? I don't think it's supposed to be funny. That makes sense. But they're just big Halloween fans. And, I mean, this is the second huge success in two years with Get Out coming out from Jordan Peele. two years with Get Out coming out from Jordan Peele.

And I think that humor is often based on anxiety as is horror movies. So there are two different ways of getting at the same sort of cultural stuff. Well, we're craftsmen at tension. Right, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And one, you puncture the tension with a punch line and the other you puncture it with an actual cutting tool in a horror movie. Wow. I see what you did there. I see.

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like my dad sucks and then there's that other guy who all his siblings were in that ad like and i know he sucks because i'm his brother i'm his sister and now there's another op-ed for this guy uh i may be pronouncing his name wrong adam waxalt he's he's running for governor in nevada he's the republican candidate and his family members published an op-ed in the reno gazette being like please don't vote for our brother he's full of shit like essentially is what it boils down to they're like for starters the man's claiming he's from nevada first of all yes he was born in reno and then we moved the fuck out of there when he was a baby and lived in dc for all of our lives he only moved back in 2013 when he wanted to become a politician.

Next point. He acts like he's some folksy dude. And then they're bringing up this thing that he did, like the Basque fry, which was like something, they had hay bales and things. And this is the thing. They were talking about how he has this fake aura. And this is a quote from it.

Adam is dressed in a, quote, Western shirt, monogrammed with his campaign logo, quote work boots and jeans that look like they were ordered off Amazon the week before. If Adam is elected governor, these values will be put in danger. So they're talking about how he's just a train wreck. They just go down a list and it just shows you that

people are starting to sort of get fed up with other people's bullshit too because they're just being like man, like before it was fine when he was just trying to be a politician or whatever but I think they're seeing how aggressively full of shit some people too because they're just being like man like before it was fine when he was just trying to be a you know politician or whatever but i think they're seeing like how aggressively full of shit some people are and they're like i'm sorry i have to i have to air this dude out this is too much yeah and you got to start snitching start snitching because because just like people just like the germans were like man somebody turned our family into the nazis you could do the shit on the left too you could be like the homeboy is not uh a liberal at all

this dude is uh straight up saying that he bought toms but he don't wear toms he wears toms to work then he goes home and he puts on baby ostrich made by small small african children who get beat up by small asian children paid to do that like we need white people white people y'all gotta start snitching dudes y'all gotta start snitching on dudes that you know be super creepy don't don't wait until people come forward don't wait till your black friend is like that person's a little racist don't wait for your girlfriend to come and be like that dude's a little creepy start snitching yeah gosh we i think something's big is happening in the news i can't quite put my finger on it what is it well the Secret Service had intercepted some explosive

devices that were addressed to the Obamas, the Clintons, the CNN studios in New York. And they say these are nearly identical devices to the ones that was mailed to George Soros, the liberal boogeyman that the right loves to portray all the time. And then this list kind of got longer. So on the last few days, suspicious, potentially explosive packages had been sent to those people in addition to ex-CIA Director John Brennan, Debbie Wasserman Schultz,

who's the ex-DNC chair, ex-Attorney General Eric Holder, Kamala Harris, Maxine Waters. Really? Just to name many. And wow, I'm trying to- They went to Kamala and Maxine as well? Yeah.

And I'm trying to think how, like, what's the connect? Like, what do all these things have in common? And I couldn't quite figure it out. And I was like, wait a second. That's right. These are all people who are on the receiving end of the president's violent rhetoric about attacking his enemies, political enemies, his locker up rhetoric when it comes to Hillary Clinton.

His journalists are the enemy of the people rhetoric. His Obama is not American rhetoric. We're seeing this play out because, again, people are like, oh, well, that's what he says. That's what he says. They're just words. They're just words. But guess what?

These words have a direct impact on people. And there's clearly someone or a group of people who have clearly taken his words to heart because now they're acting on it in potentially violent ways. I mean, luckily, no one was hurt. And you still wonder, I mean, like, the people I named are probably, like, the front row of Trump's, like, hater team. But there are so many other people who have been on the receiving end of that that you wonder, like, how many other people could be at risk

and what this can't be. People like Jameel Hill and Colin Kaepernick don't have CIA and Secret Service either. Well, here's the thing to the other people, right? For instance, Ted Cruz ran this political ad today where he's walking through a grocery store and people are yelling at him like, Get out of here. We don't like you. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then he ends it with Texas tough. Right. And there's this whole rhetoric and dialogue about, you know, the Democrats and the left. Yeah. They're just yelling at us, the violent left. And the flip side to that, like, that's what y'all want to worry about. Fine. If y'all can't take

some people saying, hey, we don't want you in our restaurant, that's violent to you, fine. The flip side that we have to worry about is people taking our lives. And that is what the flip side is. Whether it is people killing black people on the train stations, or people sending bombs

to Democrats, and people who are getting hit by cars. And that, and the fact that that to Democrats and people who are getting hit by cars. And the fact that that is not even something that they are willing to talk about. Well, they know. That's their shame. That's the whole shame of this whole game they're playing. KKK said they were going to burn crosses in black districts on the way to voting. Yeah.

And two things to that. One is, like, I was on Twitter looking about this in the little morning, just looking at responses from people. And what's crazy about the far right to me is that there wasn't like a hey we obviously disagree with these people but we shouldn't be throwing bombs to them it was immediate jump to conspiracy theories and it was like the dems are doing this on purpose to make it look like we're doing it which means that they're trying to get out the vote because they're trying to suppress the vote for our side i I was like, you're just jumping to a conspiracy theory that some Democratic person is doing this. It's a conspiracy theory.

And it's like, why is the far right so prone to conspiracy theories? Pizzagate and shit like that. Well, I think they're unable to own the flaws of some of the people that support them. And all of the platform that they're built on is just built on hatred. One senator even said this is probably a Dem who's doing this. It is a conspiracy theory, but that's not the root of it. The root of it is the fact that they don't want to have

the real conversation. It's like, oh yeah, the Dems are doing this. Instead of, no, we are creating this rhetoric and this platform. You have responsibility. There's blood on your hands. There's blood on our hands. Right. That's why you'll never hear pundits on the right.

Even on Fox News, they were at first like, okay, we'll look into this. And sometimes, like on Drudge, they were saying like, oh, the White House even got sent one to try and make it seem like, hey, everybody was getting it. But that was debunked, or at least they were saying that that report wasn't actually verified. And, yeah, when you look at some of the conservative pundits now in the aftermath of all these explosive devices showing up, they're saying shit like this is an anti-false flag attack or that this is like all the other fake hate crimes that they say that the right is behind. And they'll be like, and they're all fake just so you know. And then even Rush Limbaugh is out here doing the same thing, too, of saying, like, this is a fake attack, or just saying, like, of course they're doing this to make us look

bad because they're trying to drum up support for midterms. How? Ridiculous. I mean, that is just the height of absurdity. It's a disregard for life. Yep. And, you know, nobody's saying when a Democrat yells at or somebody on the left yells at a public office person at a restaurant, they're not saying, oh, that stage, because that doesn't affect life. That affects comfort. Right. And this threatening to kill people.

Yeah, that affects life. And they don't care about that. It's about power. It's about money. It's about staying in office. It's about fear of being second. And that is the problem. Well, yeah. Now they're making that existential threat of lost status is now turning into them creating an existential threat of violence to their lives now.

creating an existential threat of like violence to their lives now. And that's the entire game plan, which is like you say, the people who are morally outraged, who are expressing their moral outrage of policies, they're weaponizing that to say they're violent. See what they're doing to us without acknowledging what provoked this moral outrage. And another thing too is that's now just being like, okay, we need to vilify and dehumanize our political rivals to begin for people to even seeing them as not human, which leads to behavior like this where they're like, oh, well, I'm willing to make an attempt to harm or injure somebody because this is the diet I'm on, the rhetoric I'm consuming all the time. And I really feel like, you know, places like Fox and, you know, other middle or

not that other Fox's middle of the road and, you know, more centrist news outlets really have to begin analyzing what the president's words like have been on a continuum and looking at that and say, this is how we're getting here because all we're all he's feeding his base is, hey, you know, we got to lock her up. Or these people, they're animals. We've got to do something about them. Yeah, when you say that over and over, they're going to get ideas. They're not calling lies lies.

They're saying president claims. No, you know it's a lie. So you've got to say president lies. President lies because that's what he did. He lied. So when president says this and this and this happens and they're all lies, the media keeps saying president makes this claim. No, he lied. Say that he lied.

And I want to bring this up. It's kind of different but kind of the same. You brought up Ted Cruz. This thing's been on my mind so much. I can't understand the blatant hypocrisy that just gets – Ted and Trump right now are on this campaign to make fun of how Beto's name is not actually Beto. Right. When his name is Raphael. Yeah.

But Ted's name is Raphael and he goes by Ted. Right. To sound more Texas. Yeah. I don't understand how you can be at a Ted Cruz rally and cheer for the line where Ted Cruz makes fun of Beto. Well. You're going by a nickname. Well.

I can't understand it. How can you cheer for that? And I go, oh, well, the guy we're watching is doing the same thing. Yeah. Well, here's the thing with that. And it goes to even connected to this with the violence and that. It's one side or the other thing, right? If we do it, it's okay. If you do it, it's wrong type thing, right?

So if you do it, if you change your name, you're doing it for nefarious reasons. If I do it, I'm doing it for love and because i want to relate and all this stuff like that the same with you know donald trump and the far right saying oh if they yell in our faces they're violent left they're the violent left but then at a rally last week when the journalist body slammed somebody huh wasn't that great hey you don't want to wrestle him right you know because if we do it it's for a reason that's for patriotism and country yeah that was back in 2016 when yeah greg janforte body slammed yeah but he talked yeah he brought it up to be like i like that guy

exactly but but if we yell in your face we're violent well again it's because they have to absolve themselves of any guilt yeah or any any responsibility in this it's always like i don't i don't know what's going on. They're wilding out. I don't know. I'm just doing my thing. And again, this sort of vilification and fear campaign that they use to just sort of unify their base,

it bleeds into also this migrant caravan that's coming up through Central America, in Mexico, towards the U.S. border. Filled with MS-13. Yeah, where, again, it's the same tactics, where it's trying to obscure what the reality is to the point to not, to begin to see these people as not human beings, but as violent people who are hell-bent on your destruction.

As a Middle Eastern and brown person and Indian person, it bothers me that even the left is saying things that they're trying to defend, but it's just like insidious racism. Like I saw a lot of things today that were like, even when they're saying, oh, there's clearly no Middle Easterners in that thing. Right.

It's like a disparaging term. It's like. As if, yeah, like it's. It's like no Trump. There's no Middle Easterners coming in. And then I saw one that was like, why is everyone so mad that this migrant caravan is coming in? They're the ones that are going to cut your

lawns and clean your dishes and do your thing. And I'm like, or they can teach your kids. Yeah, and I was like, I get your point, but that's pretty insidiously racist as well. Well, you know, the amount of, like you're saying, like one of the claims has been that it's filled with Middle Eastern people coming in here and ISIS members who are part of this caravan because they're doing like a Trojan horse type thing.

And again, that is that all came out of the Guatemalan president last week just said, oh, we arrested like 100 people who we saw were connected with ISIS. That was before like this caravan story started to gain traction. And that was, but that claim was totally unfounded and unverified. But again, they heard this person. They said, oh, well, okay, Guatemala said ISIS. That means people are coming from, okay, we can lump that together and conflate the stories. Why are we acting like ISIS needs to come through Mexico? The 9-11 hijackers had passports from Saudi Arabia.

I don't understand why we are – they flew here. Right. They got on airplanes and they flew here from your ally country, Mr. Trump. Sure. Saudi Arabia, that's the country you love so much. And how come when we did the whole Muslim – that whole – what's it called where they blacked out certain countries of Muslim people to come here? Saudi Arabia was not on that list.

On the travel ban. Yeah, of course. Of course not. Not on that list. Yeah, of course not. They were not on that list, and they had 16 out of the 18 hijackers. So what are you talking about? They flew here. They don't need to come here to Mexico. But we can't get too outraged by this because this is such a predictable game plan.

It's just – It's not surprising. We can sit here and poke holes in the logic of all their arguments all day because everything is illogical and only appeals to people's just base fears. It's the worst in people. And again, and we have to – and the problem is, right, that these shitty misinformation – like this misinformation campaign or these lies, because they gain traction with the right, other media outlets have to report on them because so many people are talking about it that it begins to lend an air of credibility to it because CNN has to be like, well, they're saying there's ISIS and that's not true. And sadly, it pulls the coverage in a direction that is completely ridiculous. Like, again, even Pence, like two days ago, said, oh, I spoke to the Honduran president

and he said basically that this was being funded by the Venezuelans and organized by leftist groups. Now, the organizer of the caravan is a former Honduran lawmaker, Bartola Fuentes. And he's like, yo, this has nothing to do with Venezuela. Because let me tell you something, the Honduran president, he can't be real about why people are leaving at a rate of like 300 a day. It's because of the rampant violence and corruption that's happening under his watch and you think he's gonna be there and be like hey i'm a shitty president so everybody wants to get the fuck out and the u.s government is propping me up because there are military installations here like that's why it's so clear why then you just have to pivot to okay let's make this thing look

as evil as possible so people can just hop on board with the xenophobic agenda and obscure the fact that these are human beings who are fleeing their countries. I doubt any of these people want to leave, especially if their countries were stable. I don't think they were like, oh, I would love to leave my home. Yeah. I would love to leave my family.

Yeah, but the situation is untenable, and we're not, I guess on the right, they don't even acknowledge that sort of basic human urge to avoid pain and seek prosperity. It's the fear thing, you know? It is let's care about – this is why you need us in office because we can protect you from this. But there's nothing to – I don't want to say there's nothing to protect us from because there are obviously things to protect us from in this world. Like white guys. Like lone wolf white guys

with guns. Or people sending motherfucking bombs to people in the city. Yeah, let's worry about that. Well again, and that's why the other reason too

you have people on the right like Rush Limbaugh like he's like well this had to have been the Democrats and his argument was because our people don't do stuff like that.

And you're like okay, so y'all are in full-on delusion. Who shot up those churches in South Carolina? Right. Who shot up Las Vegas? I mean, look, this is, again, this is what happens when they begin to see their power slip a little bit. And you have to do everything you can to try and get people. I mean, you know, look, I get it.

I get it. You know, I used to play a little basketball based on how we played basketball before. And, you know, back when I found out my jump shot was slipping a little bit. Start to foul most of it. You know, and, you know, start to foul most of it. You started mailing people bombs.

You know, and then before we started playing, you know, I would be talking up a game like, ha, y'all want this jumper, man? Ha, ha, jump 11 feet. You know, knowing I can't jump. Right, right. And just so people would think, like, oh, let's keep him out the paint. Let's, you know, and...

Trying to add to the perception. Trying to add to the perception. Well, we'll see. Maybe we'll have to see you on the court. Yeah, smallest dogs bark the loudest. Exactly. Well, again, you know, this is just all, this is the year of our Lord 2018 and things that are happening.

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Oh my God. Or just calls that you get the scam likely show up on your phone. And mine's the worst because, you know, they call from your area code. Yeah. Yeah. And my area code's New York. I live in LA now. It's three hours.

So they're calling me at 7 a.m. thinking it's 10. Oh, really? And I'm trouble for that well no because they think it's 10 but they're still supposed to do it based on your area oh your but my area code is 315 right so they're like they're like it's 10 i'm like no i'm in la it's 7 i hate you right well the reason i bring this up is that there was a study done of robocalling, and it is up nearly double from last year, the amount of calls people get, whether it's for political stuff or reminders for things. Mine's like insurance on my back or something. Well, see, that's where the other ones come in where it's like they're just finesse scams where they're trying to be like, you owe the IRS $9,000.

Give us gift cards to pay off your debt. Or other ones would be like, we want to save you on a new solar thing investment so i was just i was i get so many to the point that i like if you listen to the show i'm sure there are times you can hear my phone go off and usually it's a fucking robocall but they were putting it in the context so right now there was a record of 4.4 billion robocalls received in september So that breaks down to 1,700 robocalls a second, okay, or 147 million calls per day. There's only 300 million Americans. Yeah. They're calling people multiple times.

Yeah, they got you. That's crazy. We did this on Culture Kings where I picked up the phone and called them back and did a whole segment talking to the IRS. Yeah. It is wild. Just how some of those scams operate. How some of those scares operate and how obvious it is. Well, yeah, but that's the thing.

They're usually preying on elderly people who don't have the savvy to question the technology or the methodology. I always know it's an Indian dude because they say my name correctly. Oh, really? They'll be like, may I speak to Mr. Beza Dabu? And I'm like, oh, you're calling from Gujarat. What's going on? You are not calling from Kentucky. Because if it's like, Beza?

No, they're like, hello, I'd like to speak to Mr. Beza Dabu. And I'm like, oh, wow. That's good. Well, you know, but they also did analysis analysis of, like, the areas that are getting the most calls. And some make sense. Like, there are bigger areas like L.A. and New York. But then other ones are like Atlanta has by far the most robocalls in terms of, like, in terms of the area code stats. 404 is the hottest area code for Robocalls. Which is so weird.

Well, I wonder. It's ludicrous. It's ludicrous. Literally, yeah, it's ludicrous. They call the fathom holes in the area codes. He was like, 404. Matter of fact, 315. 214.

678. Matter of fact, 301. Oh, 301 called Maryland? Too much green. Too much fun. I think for Atlanta, it could make sense because there's a huge governor's race there, and there could be money pouring in for elections. Then Dallas and Houston, that could also be because elections are very important in that state.

But then it starts to trickle down, and then you see Miami, also another big state going on with governor race. it's la new york dallas but you can like look up your area code just to see how litty uh your uh area code is yeah and yeah i mean people are getting every single one of those cities has a lot of english as a second language too yeah miami a lot of esl i think you might be able to get someone with esl i don't understand and irs calling me yeah cause the the share of it is it's basically a payment payment reminders are 22% then like telemarketing

is about 20% someone to sell you something scams are 40% yeah so it's mostly the scams and their lies be too big man their lies be

first of all I hate what I hate about it they're coming to arrest you yeah they're coming to arrest you oh shit and I called back I called back and it was like you owe us

940 million dollars or thousand dollars i was like come on man i haven't even made that much money in my life right hey that lie is too big that lie is too big for me to even so yeah your papers are wrong didn't they say something to you like uh bring cash but also give us your bank account bring cash but can you give us your bank account. Bring cash, but can you give us your bank account now so we can check you have the money? Yeah, well, I don't. Yeah, I was like, this is ridiculous. Also, you know what I hate?

I hate that they use your own area code because I'm a paranoid dude. Yeah, I think it's my mom or my dad. And I think it's my mom or the hospital calling and saying like, yo, somebody's dead right now. Yeah, and sometimes I do answer my area code and it is something I, you know, like, hey, this this is one time my mother's office had called because they wanted to surprise her for her birthday if i thought that was a robocall i wouldn't have had that like my mom's

office called me and also get an email man don't be calling people that shit is scary i agree we're in a world that if you call me i think something happened yeah don't nobody call people anymore so if you call me i'm thinking like somebody is, fell off. You think the worst, yeah. The 15th floor of a building. I was on a date a couple days ago and it was like 10 p.m.

Oh shit, oh a 10 p.m. date? It was at 10 p.m. and I got a call from a Chicago friend and she called and I was like, I think I gotta answer this. So I like, I answered it

and she goes, hey hun, what's up? And just like, you know, shooting the shit and I was like, oh,

who was it? I can't answer this. I can't, I can't talk can't talk right now and she goes oh well why'd you answer i was like because you called right i answered because you called like i thought you were dead like right i thought you had something but if you had nothing to talk about i gotta go yeah was somebody i know no okay the name dorcas has been traveling all over the place on TV, online, because a young woman by the name of Dorcas Riley, who invented the green bean casserole back in 1955, has passed on.

And yeah, she's a legend. It's a comfort food game. Is her name pronounced Dorcas? Do we know? It's probably got some lovely pronunciation that we aren't even imagining right now. Does it like Dor-ass? Dor-cious? Yeah, maybe. Maybe, Does it like Dor-ass? Dor-cious? Yeah, maybe.

Maybe. Who knows? Dor-ka? Dor-ka. Is it silent? I like that. Dor-ka. Dor-ka.

Dor-ka. That actually kind of makes sense. Dor-ka Riley. Yeah, Riley is where that falls apart. Dor-ka Riley. She invented the green bean casserole. That's pretty big. That's like a pillar of American comfort food.

So what's the key ingredient in that? Is it cream of mushroom? It is. Cream of mushroom soup. Every casserole, right, is cream of mushroom or cream of chicken? Cream of mushroom mixed with everything else. Well, you know, I mean, it was invented to sell cream of mushroom soup. Well, good for her.

Wait, what was? The casserole? Mm-hmm. Oh, because had they not rolled out cream of mushroom yet or they did and like yo sales are fucking up right so so many of the recipes that we consider like classic americana are not from home kitchens they're from food manufacturers and that's because post-world war ii they had all these factories that they had to do something with they're like we'll do processed food now we'll invent that and then we have to teach people how to cook with it oh that's why everything's basically a box recipe like what's on

the box typically precipitates what we were like oh that's a that's an old family corporate suggestion yeah yeah totally and there'd even be like little pamphlets that they'd attach to bottles and stick in the boxes and stuff yeah it's like here's this food product here's how you have to use it by the way because you've never done it and that's why like all the different Jell-O recipes from the mid-century, where they were like, just put anything you want in it. I know. Because they were like, please, please just put anything you want in it. With ham?

Lime Jell-O with ham. What is that? Exactly. Lime Jell-O with shrimp. I forget who. One of my white friends was telling me about their family. There's a salad that they eat with ham and Jell-O. Yeah.

So upsetting. No, the 70s was crazy, man. That was like, they just realized, like Jell-O came out and it just like, people didn't know how to act for some reason, like just, I think it was like the, they were like, is it a solid, is it a liquid? We don't know what the fuck to do. And so like, go check out a 70s cookbook, y'all.

It is so funny. Oh yeah, I follow an Instagram page like that. Yeah. Of just wild 70s. Just a Jell-O, y'all. It is so funny. Oh, yeah. I follow an Instagram page like that of just wild 70s. Just a jello mold. Yes, and they're so horrifying. And it's like, oh, this is why people were skinny. They didn't want to eat anything. Right. It's all gnarly.

Everything sucked. Well, in my mind, I'm like, well, it must be palatable if it's a family thing they keep making. And then they're like, no, it's awful. I'm like, what? Why make this? These jello salads are real rough. Yeah.

I saw one with hollandaise sauce on it. Jell-O with hollandaise? Yeah, it was like a banana, ham. Yeah. Miles just took his shirt off. He's very mad. Well, because on my dad's side, really solid southern cooking, barbecue tradition on my dad's side. And my mom's Japanese, so very good Japanese food.

So I was never, I never had, like the closest to that kind of thing was like, I don't know, marshmallows on yams or something. But never like Jell-O. Which is kind of in the same vein. Right, exactly. But that's like the closest thing of like, oh, okay, I see how that came off a bag or whatever. Dorcas Riley also invented tomato soup cake.

Oh, okay. So was, are you saying that Dorcas was one of these food chemists? She absolutely was. She was a corporate food chemists? She absolutely was. She was a corporate food chemist? She was. Yes, she got her college degree in home economics, which is something that sounds lame and sad now. Right.

But at the time was like a way for women who wanted to be scientists to actually get a degree in science. And they couldn't even call this just science. Right. Home economics. All this means is that she would have cured cancer if they had just let her

do anything except for a home ec. Yeah. Because it was all the chemistry of all these packaged foods. Wait, what's tomato soup cake? Okay, so

with cakes, like chocolate cakes especially, actually flavored cakes, you just need a liquid element so that they aren't dry. And it turns out that depending on the other ingredients, it doesn't really matter what your wet ingredients are.

What do you mean it doesn't matter? Like it won't affect the- It won't affect the flavor so much. So if you have a tomato soup cake, you're basically making a chocolate cake and adding a can of Campbell's tomato soup into it. And that adds like a little bit of spicy saltiness and people like salt in their sweets way much more than they think they do.

And then it also might add a little bit of that color that we also get from red velvet cakes. Because red velvet cakes used to actually look like chocolate, which is the main ingredient with like a hint of red. It's like a devil's food cake originally, right? That's exactly what it is. There's another variation on that is mayonnaise cake, which is chocolate cake with a shit ton of mayonnaise in it.

And do you add these ingredients just like as a prank? Or like, is it just to be like, yo, you just ate mayonnaise cake, idiot. RIP your arteries. No, not at all. It's actually because it tastes good. Just so rich, I'm sure, because all that fat in there. And it won't dry out. You add mayonnaise to something, it's not going to dry out.

Yo, tomato soup cake. That sounds actually, I want to try all these things. I'm going to have to do's not going to dry out. Yo, tomato soup cake. That sounds actually... I want to try all these things. I'm going to have to do the Dorcas Grand Prix then. Totally. And it'll also be a journey through Americana. Wow. Tomato soup cake. Well, shout out to you, Dorcas. Or Dorca. Whatever it is.

Isn't there a stereotype that white families have terrible taste in food? Yes. There is, right? Absolutely. Hi, have you just seen Twitter? Unseasoned is a word technically used all the time. I feel like this is not helping. No.

The legacy of Dorcas. Yeah, but still. Dorca. But if you're elevating a cake with a can of tomato soup, that sounds like it could probably, I doubt it tastes terrible. Sorcery. I think it's a really interesting idea,

and I think it's also, you have to think about context because this truly was an era where all the weapons manufacturers switched to food. And we need to sell product. We have to push this so hard. That's interesting. All these recipes come from the manufacturers. We'll kill you through your intestines. And you'll thank us for it. That's interesting.

I didn't know that about the factories. I like how when I brought it up you're like, oh, do you really want to go there? And I was like, yeah, but I guess we will when we get on mic and then you just were like, yeah, homie, you're eating the bullet factory cake. Yes, I can't be stopped. Let me take a couple steps back. This guy Adolf Hitler, right?

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