The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 51 (Best of 11/19/18-11/23/18)

Episode Date: November 25, 2018

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favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment Laughstravaganza Uh, yeah So, without further ado Here is the weekly zeitgeist Alright, Miles, speaking of energy You've been speaking in an Australian accent pretty steadily for the last year Around the office It's about fair, yeah You're right there

Sorry Love a good Aussie accent Yeah Not gonna lie And It's about fair, yeah. You're right there. Sorry. Love a good Aussie accent. Yeah. Not going to lie. And it's real good fun for me. But it seems like a few people don't like it down under. Apparently, this woman, Julia Baird, who wrote an op-ed in the New York Times, the title of the op-ed was,

Your fake Australian accent is terrible mate and then in the subtitle americans and the british love to mock how we talk but they can't imitate it now at first i was like okay this may be some kind of piece about please stop like being caricatures of australians it's offensive or whatever but the the kind of piece is sort of all over the place. It talks about many sort of, I guess, topics around the Australian accent. It starts off talking about how she knew Hugh Jackman and why people like Hugh because he kept his Australian accent and then points to a lot of other Aussies who have like moved on to Hollywood or like film careers or music careers in Europe and like start to sort of sanitize their Australian accent a bit

and how they find them suspicious. Then it moved on to, well, then I also understand why some Australians change their accent because sometimes people can't understand it. Then into Americans and Brits should stop because they can't even do it right. Then into, well, the good place got us pretty hot because there are scenes that take place in Sydney and you have American people talking like Australians and is bullshit. Then it was sort of like, but the accent is actually like the hardest to do in the world. It was trying to make many points.

Right. And then ultimately just sort of ended with the line of just sort of like, hey, if you're going to have people doing Australian accents, hire Australians. So I don't know. Australian actors are not getting enough work. They're not getting enough work. Motherfucker, they're taking all of our work in the US here. Like, because, I mean, let's be real.

They're just better actors. Are they? I don't know. I mean, I think occasionally you'll see an Australian actor and be like, oh, you're not getting that accent right. But a lot of times I'm surprised. I'm like, wait, this motherfucker Australian too? Yeah, I mean, Hugh Jackman is a fucking treasure.

He is. isn't he? That's old Australia, though. That's old Australia? That's daddy's Australia. Yeah, that's your grandpa's Australia. I feel like the new class is like the Hemsworth boys. Oh, yeah. And they're all just like squinty-eyed.

They're not, I don't know. Good-looking? No, they're great-looking. But it's just like they're not great actors to me. Sure. They're just like big-'re not great actors to me. Sure. They're just like big chested squinty eyes. Yeah. I like that dude's vibe though.

They're beef. He's one type of really good SNL host in that like he gets what his appeal is and is like willing to play with it. And what he looks like right. Yeah. Like he has a good sense of self and he does that well in comedy. So I respect that. but i get what you're saying i just can't agree with it it's all right also wonderful no one has ever agreed with me so yeah well i don't know look if you're getting hot because people make fun of your accent and

you're in your feelings i'm sorry but you don't think australians don't like to talk like californians or tech you know what i mean like this is the that's the thing about english is that there are so many accents that every version of it is interesting to another person who speaks it and she actually has this great fucking quote from winston church that was she points as like particularly cruel about our accent he described it as the most brutal maltreatment that has ever been inflicted on the mother tongue of the great English-speaking nation. That's a fucking hit job. That is, I'm not done.

And yeah, look, you know, we're trying. We're trying to get better. You know what I mean? You're working on it. I'm working on it. You study the syllabic. And I love accents. Yes.

And you can blame Christopher Lilly for that. Right. Because once that shit came out, I was like, oh, shit. It's just funny that the forefront of representation for her is like, yo, hire more Australians. Yeah, no, exactly. And that's when I was like, what is this about? Because at first I was like, okay, stop doing it to make caricatures of us as if Aussies are X, Y, and Z. But it just seemed irked that people were trying to do it on TV.

And that they're bad. And not doing it right. And I get it. Because when I hear British people or Australian people try to do an American accent and it's not good, it's just like, yeah, no, I see that you think you've just nailed it. But it's fun. Actions are so fucking fun. I would not write an op-ed in the New York Times. I'm glad she wrote this because this is what the show's

about, man. This is like the zeitgeist. It's like there are ideas traveling around that are affecting everybody that we just don't necessarily have a record of unless you're paying attention to stupid shit like what Miles is saying and the op-eds. It all started. But, I mean, language is one of the most interesting, you know, ways that the zeitgeist travels because, you know, like just the way you speak will then affect the way I speak just subconsciously. Like unconsciously, I was hanging out with our cousin who, with my cousin over the weekend,

and he was saying certain words in an australian accent the way you say it in the office just because like it's fun yeah it's just like that shit just well yeah and i get like there is a dimension to to dehumanize someone by reducing everything about them down to some wacky accent right there's no i'm no stranger to that and you know people of color are no stranger to that but i think but it stranger to that. That's where I thought this was headed. But the fact that it's just sort of this other thing, I'm like, okay, so you're just precious based on the novel Push by Saffron. Yeah. And also, if you don't want people to try and appropriate your language, don't have such adorable phrases like, go get a dog up you.

Yeah, go and get a dog up you. What does that mean? It means get fucked by a dog. Oh, what? Wow. I thought that was like, oh, go get a dog up yeah go and get a dog what does that mean it means oh what wow i thought it was like oh yeah some of that is like a hot dog or something yeah we're not here to fuck spiders mate yeah exactly you're not gonna fuck spiders yeah like we're not here to fuck around and a lot of people on twitter they're like that's not a real thing and yo i'm telling you there's a there's a twitter account that that's called i'm not here to fuck spiders i know there's some aussies who listen aussie zai yang shout out to you who come through and say that is very much a phrase i just feel like australians have like

weird words for everything like oh yeah you know i want to it's fun to do accent you know like i went to the ball you know i get her to touch my winky, my piddly wink or whatever, you know. Yeah, that's British. I've been watching a lot of Peaky Blinders lately. Yeah. I've been talking like that. Okay. You know.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But exactly like. It's hard to not do accents. You hear a funny accent on TV or it's like a show that you're watching. That shit just bleeds into how you say certain things. I'm going to go down in boomerang yeah no you nailed it so the story that's been kind of bubbling in the background that jim acosta who karate chopped one of the white house aides who tried to take the mic from

him uh at least in the sped up video that that was that ended up it wasn't altered it was sped up it was sped up or nekelian conway then what the fuck is altered right but that was that was originally made by i think one of the info wars yeah yeah so they're just like pulling shit from the internet because they're but they're also they're they're yeah they're also being like yo uh can y'all give us something that we can show that justifies this nonsense? The prison planet guy with the wet lips. So if you weren't following this, the White House responded to that and banned Jim Acosta from these White House press briefings,

and CNN sued the White House for freedom of speech. And they, I don't know how to, I'm not a legal scholar. I don't know if you sue someone for freedom of speech. It was a temporary restraining order they wanted to allow him back in. And the judge granted that. So it's temporary. But then the judge sort of went on to be like, but I'm going to tell you, they're probably going to win this case. Right.

Because this is like totally retaliatory behavior. Yeah. And Fox News kind of backed CNN on this. Which I think that when the Obama administration had tried to ban Fox from it, it wasn't like they tried to outright ban them, but they didn't invite them to some meeting. And I think there was solidarity around that being fucked up. Right. And CNN stood up with Fox News and was like, you have to invite people even if they're negative, which I don't totally, like Fox News is definitely a different animal.

They're totally disingenuous, yeah. Yeah, it's a different animal. I don't agree with CNN standing up for Fox News's right to be there. I kind of do, just because if you don't, it plays into their persecution complex. Right, that's true, that's true. And I think they're also kind of being like, hey, we stand with CNN because I feel like one day they know how out of pocket they're being, that someone is going,

eventually the pendulum will swing the other way, and they'll be like, what are we going to do about Fox? Yeah. And they want to be like, hey, well, we were there with CNN. You know, even though we're out like spreading lies and just terrible racist conspiracy theories. And because Fox News is backing them, they probably will be reinstated just because Trump will do whatever they say.

Well, yeah. So, I mean, because of the judge's temporary restraining order, he does have his credentials back. But it's so funny because the White House could never just like not have the last word. And we're acting like they just real petty. And they're saying, well, going forward, you know, they were insisting that, quote, there must be decorum at the White House and that their press staff will also further develop rules and processes to ensure fair and orderly press conferences in the future. But, you know, OK, hold that and let us know how that feels, because you're going to have Jim Acosta in there still. Yeah. But you don't care about I know you don't care about Jim. I do not care about Jim Acosta. I just don't. Yeah.

But you don't care about, I know you don't care about Jim Acosta. I do not care about Jim Acosta. I just don't, we have to be careful about who we choose, like as our, you know, spokespeople in this battle with outright authoritarian government. And this dude just doesn't seem like, I don't know. And I also think that there's something absurd about the whole White House press briefing that it's almost like the mainstream media going in there. It feels like they're lining up bowling pins to just be knocked down by the Trump administration. Well, for Huckabee's stuff, yeah, for sure.

But I guess when the president gives a press conference, that's the difference. And I think because at this point, Sarah Sanders hasn't done really much of anything. Because at this point, Sarah Sanders hasn't done really much of anything. Trump gives a press conference when he wants to change the narrative away from something that is not good for him. Ezra Klein from Vox pointed out that the White House press briefing was used time in like weeks the day after just to like sort of openly antagonize the media so that it was, you know. I have no I don't disagree with you in that sense at all. I just and even, you know, whatever anyone thinks of Jim Acosta, you know, that's that's your opinion. if you just distill it down to the facts that because the white house doesn't like a reporter that they could just basically banish them from entering or covering the president because they

have that you know yeah they want to ask questions or press the president yeah that you can't do that shit yeah i'm like mostly for the first amendment guys so on my... Oh, that's just some fucking idiot. Right, right, right. Shut up. I'm not sure you're a hater. Right. Yeah, Jack called me the N-word earlier. He's a First Amendment guy. Yeah, yeah, free speech guy. Right here. Yeah, I just feel like it would be dope if, like, they either...

Nobody showed up to a White House press briefing, or they just, like, were dead silent during it or something. Or just don't ask questions. Yeah, just be like, oh, for real, that's're gonna they shouldn't they just shouldn't go don't give i mean this is maybe like just my own defeatist but like there's nothing you can do to win like yeah sure don't ask questions great he'll just give a speech ask questions it doesn't matter he'll blow those over them ban reporters they't going to make much of a difference anyway. And sadly, as that may be, and I'm all for freedom of the press, but like, it doesn't matter.

He's just going to win. I don't know if I think there's a chance. And he's going to be reelected. I think that's going to happen too, sadly. We'll see. I mean, yeah. Let's start worrying about that later. I mean, he's worrying about it now.

Well, yeah, because I think he also knows because so many Republicans, too, are like, yo, we fucking we rode with you. Look what the fuck happened. We lost more seats than fucking post Watergate. But I think with the press briefing stuff, at the very least, if you don't, you know, engage Sarah Sanders and allow her to twist what the president says to then be some other thing. I think there's value to that. You can just let the president say what he has to and analyze what he says, because when it gets to Sarah, she then begins creating all these like, you know, jujitsu moves and rationalizations as to what the president really meant. And then that allows for more cover for his shitty behavior or rhetoric and I think if you can just cover the president straight

up analyze that you don't need don't then get let secondhand Sanders come through secondhand and then just like give you some you know some spin on it because that's just that's that's where that's where it gets fucking weird because she's allowed to be like well this is what the president actually means go by what the

president means like no no no no see this is this is where it gets fucked up also Fox news still has not tweeted going back to november 8th like one of their last tweets was about uh police identified gunmen who opened fire inside california bar killing 12 that breaking news so that's like they they just like went silent interesting so we'll see what's going on there miles in a story that is affecting i think the children of this world of this country uh weed prices are falling to a degree that almost feels like a reverse of like tulip mania like that old like thing where everybody was like tulip mania you don't know tulip mania no it's like this weird

economic bubble they always talk about it whenever there's like when people are like the the real estate bubble like people are paying too much it's this weird aberrant economic bubble that happened i think in holland because they're the tulip gang right so tulips were in such demand it became like such a luxury item that people were paying like thousands and thousands of dollars for tulips. And it just like, and then it like went bust and everybody lost their money. But like the whole economy was just focused on tulips and like. Oh, yeah. I mean, weed is kind of, I guess here's the deal, right?

So with legalization, you go from the black market where you're paying all that extra money because of the risk involved because people will do time basically for growing the shit and selling it. That now like prices are just falling because they're figuring out all these regulations and bigger companies are getting involved. So in the Washington Post, they did an analysis that like in Colorado, for example, the price, like the per pound price in Colorado has fallen by like a third, like 33%, just in the last year. And in like Oregon, some places, you can get a fucking pound for $150. It's maybe because we live in Los Angeles. It's not passing down to us because like I was saying to you guys earlier, like all the dispensaries, nothing but going out. So here's the thing. Okay, so now because the way the taxes are set up, right, like in those states, in Colorado and Oregon,

those are a percentage of the price of like what it's being sold out. So as prices go down, the bad news is that means the tax revenues are also going down because, oh, well, you're taxing a percentage of a smaller number than you were. At the time, a lot of like sort of optimistic legalization proponents were like, no, this is what it's going to look like. Everybody's making money. Don't worry about legalization. It's going to little stabilize. And that is clearly not looking like the case. And it looks like the more sort of cynical forecasting that was done is probably more the accurate analysis. Because what they're saying is that you know legalized weed

will eventually you know fall into the same price category as like other just easily grown legal plants like wheat and barley because you're just it's essentially you just need water and sunlight to do this granted there are a little more obviously in like the growing process it's not hardly even the same sunlight yeah exactly i get And they're saying like, you know, it could get to the point that a joint could sell for as little as a nickel back in my day or even become complimentary in a complimentary item akin to beer nuts at a bar. And if that comes to pass,

that means the taxation system is going to be like just a negative force. So the solution is like to tax based on weight, which is what california does so it's not tied to what they're selling it at the sale price well but then nobody's going to sell legal weed right because they're paying taxes but they're not actually getting money from the consumer yeah but the consumer is still going to be like well why the fuck am i going to pay like for a 60 eighth if i can go get the cheap shit? Oh, right. They just pass the tax on to the consumer. Right. And that's why. So a lot of like in Colorado, too, they raise the taxes from 10 to 15 percent.

But then the prices, they just bring the prices down. And then that eliminates all the money that could have been made from that price, that tax hike. So, you know, like the sort of suggestions are, yeah, tax based on weight and also cap the potency because then a lot of people are just going to try and cram the most bang for your buck like into like one ounce of weed. That feels kind of – why would you cap the potency? That's kind of like – I think that would hurt the industry. Well, they're saying if they cap the potency, right, because if you have something that has like some wild THC percentage, like than anything ever before, then you're not having the benefit of taxing it based on weight. And really just about how we keep the revenues in,

because that's really what the, what the benefits are of legalization too, is that there's, there'll be a public good serve from the taxes that you can get from it. So you should make it illegal again. This is all too complicated. Just illegalize it. Let me go talk to some fucking Rasta.

Yeah, it's weird, though, because I don't think we've ever had something, like maybe natural light or something like that, where such a small, like you can pay a nickel to get fucked up for hours. Right. That seems, I guess maybe pop off vodka or something like that. I'm trying to think of an example. But that hurts you. Right. Yeah. Well, yeah, and that pop off vodka or something like that. I'm trying to think of an example of taco. Well, yeah.

And that's the other problem for capitalists. And this is why capitalism is not a great system is because weed is not addictive at all. Like the way people get really rich is selling addictive products like tobacco and nicotine. I mean, weed is addictive, I will say. It can be mentally addictive, not physically addictive. Yeah, that's not to say it can't be mentally addictive. I know a lot of people who got... Hey, we're out here.

Right. Are in rehab over weed. But it's just funny because I couldn't imagine, you know, like when I was a drugged... When I used to smoke weed, whoops, back in high school, a pound would cost like fucking five Gs. Right. You know what I mean? And now it's $100?

$150 is such a swing. But again, I think that's why this more cynical read makes sense because if you're looking at it objectively, this is just some plant that grows. It's not like- Also, everyone's growing. Right. Exactly. And you can grow so easily.

You can buy clones at a store. It's already so potent for people who aren't miles like it's like you just smoke a single joint and you're so you're off your ass like people who used to smoke weed and then like start smoking weed again now are just like what the fuck oh yeah yeah a lot of older people who are yeah dangerous stuff yeah i guess a better example would be the Weimar Republic hyperinflation where they started printing so much money that banknotes 4.2 trillion German marks were equal to a single

US dollar and people were carrying it around in wheelbarrows and shit. Same thing happened in Venezuela too. I feel like drug dealers are going to now be carrying their weed around in wheelbarrows. The people at the shops will have to wheelbarrow out the weed. It like wheelbarrows or like the people at the shops will like have to wheelbarrow out the weed just like it's just showing you that at the end

of the day weed was intended for everybody that's why it's like i know i mean that is the good gun job who needs more than in like five years amazon's gonna be droning like dab rigs to people's houses and stuff right it'll probably come free. But I guess if you really look at that analysis, right, because the whole reason the cost was high was because of the risk involved. And it wasn't sort of a function of the actual cost to produce. And if you start going, as that happens, you're trying to see like, oh, it doesn't really take that much money to do it.

I mean, there will always be a demand for weed. Right. Regardless of its price. That's, you know, the very first thing I ever heard about, like, that was like a conspiracy theory cool guy thing was my history teacher in, I think, 10th grade was like, well, you know why weed's illegal? Is because you can't make any, like, good-tasting alcohol in your bathtub, but you just get a grow light in your closet,

and you can grow really good wheat. Right, because it cuts out the capitalist forces. Right, it just cuts out the middleman. You can't make tax money off of it. And, I mean, he was drunk most days, so I just assumed that's where that was coming from. Yo, full disclosure, he wasn't even the teacher, man. He was just some dude who hung out by the high school.

But it turns out he was right. I was homeschooled, so it was extra weird. He was right about this shit. Right. I guess what happens if sort of the tax revenue dimension, that was making it attractive for a lot of conservatives. If that's gone, like what do they do then? I don't know. Look, too bad.

Cat's out of the bag. We already legalized it. Go home. Go home, conservatives. Yeah, but Cat's out of the bag. We already legalized it. Go home. Go home, conservatives. Yeah, but it's just wild because you look at the amount of money that's being poured in. Because I bought some shit at the store the other day. It looked like I bought a fucking fancy European candle. It came in a box.

And in the box, it was another container with the packaging inside was so ornate. It's like opening an apple product no it was and i was like this is too much right and in a way i was even starting to see like yo they're fucking the game up because like most people aren't out here like enjoy smoking weed because the containers are coming in or whatever because now this whole marketing thing has been introduced it's starting to shift it in a way that it's starting to feel bizarre a little bit right uh but i guess that's what happens inevitably when we're like, oh, well, sharks start smelling blood in the water and they smell money.

Yeah. The industry evolves in this way. But now we're looking at a thing where you do, what happens when the price comes? I guess I also don't know if it'll ever, it'll never be accepted in conservative circles because that's less black men in private prisons. And that'll always be more profitable than weed. Right. Well, and I think that's why now they're pivoting to people who are trying to immigrate

or, you know, trying to enter the country. Because that's the new way for private prisons is building all these, you know, detention facilities for ICE. Oh, okay, I was going to say you can't imprison, but then, yeah. Yeah, well, that's right. Detention facilities. They're children. You certainly can.

They're kids. Oh, and it's like a summer camp. Right. Yeah. Except just the detention part. We're building summer camps for them so yeah i mean we'll see what happens uh you know uh zeitgang out in colorado and oregon i know there are people out there what's like it is true like when you go there i was like yo these prices are fucking low yeah and i guess that's because their taxation system is just different for people who aren't

in towns where it's been legalized, like the way I've seen it change things most is that like there are beer advertisements essentially for weed. Like there are like girls in bikinis who are like selling weed. It's just like, oh, so this is just going to be a douchey culture.

Right. Just like alcohol was. I wonder how they're going to figure out a way to justify the price because that's the only way this thing really survives. All the advertisements I see are startup-y, Apple Store. Right. Oh, like MedMen and stuff?

Yeah, that's all I ever see. They're starting to use women, scantily clad women. I never see the... I feel like I'd expect that more, but I always see everyone trying to elevate weed. You know what I mean? Yeah.

I think that's probably the better way to go, but there are definitely some people who are doing that. Oh, yeah. Well, the ads out here, I'm like, is this for a high-end fashion thing? And you're like, oh, you're holding a blunt. Yeah. Okay, cool.

I mean, one other option is that it could just end up being like cigarettes. Like you get a box of, I forget, there was a stand-up who was like Marlboro Greens or something right yeah I'm not I think maybe that's Doug Benson and I'm not sure that'll ever be it'll be like cigarettes because I don't and I don't know numbers but I don't know if pre-rolls match like the flower industry like I hate pre-roll everyone well I know one likes free i hate people who can't who can't roll yeah or don't have a bowl or anything or those people really i i noticed that people who buy pre-rolls they really love the idea that's like i got a pack of joints yeah

or i'm also like a perfectionist i'm like no man i'm i'm i twist my own it's rolled badly i'd rather use glass and also you can't trust a flower in it like i know if i buy an eighth of flower i'm like oh okay that's loud as fuck most important snort it yeah yeah yeah jack you chop it up get all the diamonds on you do a couple lines of weed you know you know homie uh but like yeah i think that's the difference i think we're kind of from a bygone era too where like other people are super just into the vaping it's easier they don't want to get their fingers dirty you know what i mean also like half the girls i date out here have like blow torches in their purses now and we're dabbing yeah you'll just be like oh and you'll be at a bar and you'll be like oh do you want to smoke i'll be like oh yeah sure i guess then you'll be like

on like a patio i'm like i don't want to do crack with you. Let's just like go home. This is so weird. You're trying to beam up. And then you're like coughing for an hour. And then you got like, go home. I'm like, I just wanted a cigarette. I didn't know it was going to be like this. All right, we're going to take a quick break.

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these charter schools were exempt from that. Bigger than a flag or mascot. You have to be ready for serious backlash. Listen to Rebel Spirit on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And the White House Correspondents Association has decided, and Nick, you might have a take on this. They decided to bail on comedians for next year's dinner and opt instead for the equally entertaining historians.

So somebody who's going to be like, yeah, no, this is really bad. You guys are really bad. I'm a historian. Let me tell you how this will go down in the annals of history. This is where we are in terms of American imperial collapse. It's really the only profession

that is capable of putting his presidency into perspective. So it makes sense that they would go with it. Well, you know, Michelle Wolf made it too hot for president sensitive pants and the shit fits basically made the white house correspondence association cave like i mean even in the response the immediate response to wolf's performance which most people were like yeah that was fucking great they were slow you could tell they were sort of it was eating away at them and now they went for the guy who like literally wrote the book on alexander Lin-Manuel Miranda used.

He's a great Hamilton biographer. Yes. And so, I mean, what the fuck is he going to say? I'm actually curious. I think it's just going to be so, they're going to avoid any kind of contract.

I don't know. I don't know. I love that. It's like, this is their, their idea is getting the guy who wrote Hamilton, which is where Pence got booed. Right.

Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. There's nothing you can, there's no one you could talk to who's like going to know about stuff and be on your side. Right.

Unless it's like Pepe the frog. Right. Then you can be like, yeah, this guy. Well, even the guy who invented it was like, yo,

fuck you guys. They're like, you got Miranda. Well, we got Chernow, bitches. It's like who that guy's so sad about it the pepe guy yeah yeah oh god his creation has been turned into him yeah but i i just the correspondence center is such a bad idea forever i mean since colbert humiliated

bush yeah you just can't you can't do it i don't I don't know why anyone goes. It baffles me. And just the fact that friends of mine have gotten to go to DC and then say that in front of those people is mind-boggling. And it makes so much more sense that they're not going to do it anymore than that they're going to keep doing it. Right. Whoever the next president is, assuming there is one, have the balls to bring this back. It would be like on my birthday, inviting the person who hates me the most,

who's also the smartest, to just come in and get... Dress you down. Well, we've seen the two extremes. We've seen now the most hated president, probably, in the history of you know these when it comes when it comes to at least the entertainment industry right and then you had before him like a president who people didn't want to get up and roast because he was better

than them he would go up and like do a tight 20 and just like destroy them. So, yeah. I don't know. I think it was like, it was a way for, I think maybe the just stiffs in DC to feel like that they have senses of humor too. And like, yeah, we can all take it. And yeah, clearly it's a town that over the years has just gotten more and more averse to hearing any kind of criticism. But yeah, I mean, I like hearing them roast people up there. I do too.

This is fun but yeah no it's fun for me yeah right right right my popcorn pants yeah but we'll see i mean i think they it's weird like i don't i can't really imagine a an event that trump would go to now at this point anyway because like i mean normally the president would go yeah aside from a trump rally right because if he's if he goes to anything with other dignitaries, he's like, ugh. He's like the 12-year-old kid who just got the Nintendo Switch at dinner and is like, do I have to be here? Can I go?

Yeah, he just needs to be the focal point. And if they're making jokes, yo, get him the fuck out of there. He does not want to be there. Well, yeah, and this was the site of what a lot of people believe was the turning point of his professional career when Obama and Seth Meyers roasted him. Like, he was just sitting there, the guy who can least take a joke in the United States getting roasted on national television. For my fellow kids, it was like the Arthur clenched fist meme. Right. Yeah.

Nice. Thank you for putting it in terms I could understand. For fellow kids it was like the arthur clenched fist meme right yeah nice thank you for putting it in terms i could for fellow kids great well we'll we'll see what what type of material churnow has for wolf blitzer but do you think it's a shitty precedent to just because they're preemptively wanting to avoid the shit fit that the white house would throw that they just cave and they're just like eliminate the comedian thing. I don't know. It just feels like, just like, fuck it. Just keep going. I don't understand what the point is.

Like, it's not, it's not going to fix the relationship with the White House at all. Are they trying to get Trump to come? And that's why they've... Oh, he's, I mean, he's not going to come. He's not going to go. That's why it doesn't matter. Right. So I don't know what, you know... It might as well be raining. That I mean, he's not going to come. He's not going to go. That's why it doesn't matter. Right. So I don't know what...

It might as well be raining. That's how much he's not going to go to the... Yeah, indoors. He's like, no, my hair. Fuck it. But yeah, I don't know. It just seems like they're caving. I don't like it.

Yeah. Because they should... No, for sure. Every opportunity, there needs to be more and more media that, at the very least, can object... Or not objectively, but look at the shit things he does and bring it to light and be critical like we can't just stifle critical voices but who knows old ron the historian might come through with some fucking scathing powerpoint presentation

which would also be equally amazing yeah he comes out with some inconvenient truth level right right right zeitgeisty hit Hit it. Boom. Yeah, I guess I was talking as though the White House Correspondents Association was not booking it, that it was like the Trump administration. But they're booking it with an eye towards sort of ameliorating, like making the Trump administration happy, right? Well, yeah. Is the idea. Because after when she was talking about Sarah Sanders,

they had to come out and be like, you know, they kind of kept walking it back and distancing themselves from Michelle Wolf. So, you know. Well, sometimes it just recorrects because after the Stephen Colbert one, then they had Rich Little come out the next year, which is, if you don't know, he's just, he's a dinosaur of comedy

who does impressions. I think he died since, but his impressions were like, if you're not over 130, you probably don't know. He's like a lot of Nixon. Yeah. Bill Mixel's the six shooter.

No, Rich Little is still alive. Oh, great. The man of a thousand voices well i think they should get him back yeah right yeah it might be time let's talk about gary hart you guys let's talk about gary hart so let's talk about gary guy eddie yeah i don't know why i went into colin uh what's his name jost no colin the Colin, the other Colin. Quinn, voice there. So I wanted to talk about Gary Hart because he's kind of making a comeback into the zeitgeist

because Jason Reitman has a new movie coming out that's about this scandal that sort of derailed his bid to get elected president. It was the very early days. But they also make the claim in the book the movie is based on that this was the turning point at which they started turning politics into this TMZ sort of gossip type circus. Side show circus.

Yeah, exactly. And prior to this, it was like you could have your affairs with the media there right next to you. And just JFK would tell a journalist, I need to have three women a day or else I get a migraine. And the journalist is like, ah, Jack. Ah, Jackie. That's just Jack being Jack. So Gary Hart basically got caught in having an affair. He was at the townhouse of some young woman

and was basically trapped into an alleyway as he was walking out by a bunch of reporters. And it was just this extreme, awkward moment. But this article that just came out in The Atlantic makes the claim that this was actually organized by this guy, Lee Atwater. He was a Republican operative. He was the guy behind the Willie Horton ad that got George H.W. Bush elected president. Was widely considered the most racist political ad up until three weeks ago. About three weeks. Yeah, exactly. But he was just this, you know, he was sort of the Karl Rove

before Karl Rove, but he died of brain cancer about a year and a half after all of this happened. And in his last days, he basically called up the Democrat version of him, minus the racism and malice, just Democratic operative, and told him he'd engineered the entire Gary Hart thing down to making sure that the way that his relationship to this woman first came on people's radar was that he was on a boat trip with her on a boat called Monkey Business. And Lee Atwater knew that would be a good name for a scandal boat and so he got the boat they were originally supposed to be on taken away for maintenance so they would be on this Monkey Business so that

Monkey Business would be like a... So he purposefully manipulated the availability of boats to ensure that he would be on a boat called Monkey Business when they were monkeying around. and uh just all sorts of other shit so he told this operative and then fucked off and died uh and the operative never told gary hart like that's what this article is about he's like and it really hasn't come out and like become part of the story because he never told gary hart until like he had a conversation with gary hart and he was like you know one thing that's always like stuck in my mind is it really felt like a setup like when

the picture that was taken of me and the young woman Rice I believe her last name was she was standing across the room from me and then she like made eye contact with this woman she was with and the woman like nodded at her she walked over over, sat on my lap. And then the woman came up, took a picture and walked away. And that picture was on the cover of, you guessed it, the National Enquirer. Yeah, they're behind everything, it turns out. But the reason this is significant is because he was seen as, as the movie is called, the front runner. And he was seen as the guy who was going to win the next presidency. George H. W.

Bush was seen as both a just weaker version of Reagan. And also as just a bitch for lack of better word. Like people, they know they like, that's how they rated him. That that's why they had to like- Raided bitch. Yeah, raided bitch. That's why they did all this military activity

is because he was seen as like, quote, wimpy by the American public. And so he went to war in Panama for a day just to flex his military muscles. And eventually people think that had something to do with the original Operation Desert Storm. And this guy, Gary Hart, was a security expert. And to the point that after all the scandal derailed his career, and he was just like, kind of in the background of politics, he sent this, you might have heard about this report that was given to George W. Bush when

he was coming into the White House. It was basically a terror attack is imminent. You guys need to prepare for a terror attack on U.S. soil. For W? For W. Wow. Right before 9-11 happened, he was like, this needs to be your top priority. And W just completely ignored it.

But he was just known. And W just completely ignored it. But he was just known, like that's why people thought he was a shoo-in, was he was like really respected as an expert on security during the Cold War, which was like the number one concern for people. Despite going up against H.W., who was the CIA head. Exactly. They were like, well, he clearly wins in security against the guy who used to run the CIA and was Reagan's vice president.

But this scandal basically derailed him and changed the course of history. Because if Hart beats Bush and has one or two administrations, there's no guarantee that you have a Clinton. There's no guarantee you have a... You almost definitely don't have a W because W, his whole political career took off during his father's presidential campaign, like basically helping him win the 88 campaign against Dukakis. Right. And this is also similar. This reminded me of the story that came out during the, I mean, I guess it was well known, but it came to my attention during slow burn about the Watergate scandal and Nixon's impeachment

because Nixon during the election that ended up being a landslide that he cheated in. One of the other ways that he cheated was there was this guy, Edmund Muskie, who he was really scared of running against. And he just like harassed him. And like he had his operatives like call them at all hours and night. They would like call people acting as though they were from the Muskie campaign and like say things and like a really like insulting black scent. But be like, we're coming for you. Like we're the Muskie campaign in New Hampshire.

And that's where Muskie was from. And he ended up having this like press conference where he like had tears in his eyes and people were like well we can't elect this guy we can have a man who has emotions yeah so nixon basically also changed the course of democratic politics with like this cheap behind the scenes conspiracy that actually happened and the same thing probably happened with gary hart so these these republic, they don't put anything past him. There would be no Clarence Thomas. They're good at their job.

Yeah, there would be no Clarence Thomas. Or David Souter, I think was the other H.W. Supreme Court justice. Yeah. Well, that was depressing. Yeah. Yeah. So what are your thoughts on that? History is being written by conservative conspiracy.

Big Clarence Thomas. I'm just a big fan. Big Clarence Thomas fan. I'm just sad that we lost him so young, but I'm glad that we have Roger Stone to live on and Paul Manafort. I just watched that Stone documentary, but they had a company with Atwater and Manafort and Roger Stone. Oh, right. And just those bullshit artists. Yeah, they invented lobbying as we know it. Yeah.

Incredible. And I don't know why. No, I don't know. I mean, it's insane that these people get to continue doing this. Yeah. Yeah. And actually celebrate it. I was just thinking about Dukakis, how he lost.

Because he was doing good and then they he uh he did a photo op in a tank wearing a big uh helmet right and then he looked like a little boy and then then he was toast yep and that's just that's how easy things remember how easy things were it looks like a boy with that helmet. It's always the Democrats who get derailed by shit like that. That's why I think Dukakis wearing a helmet that makes him look like a little boy. Kerry going windsurfing. Howard Dean before him going, yeah. But it sounded crazier because he was in a loud room and they had him exclusively mic'd up. No matter how it sounded, it was just, yeah, whatever.

He said, you know, he was getting pumped up on the path to the White House. You want to watch a TV show about the White House? Yeah! Yo, I fuck with it. We need that as a drop, Nick. We wouldn't want a president with the sensibilities of a WWE wrestler. Oh, God. See, that's what I'm saying.

And look where we are now. Well, history is a tricky thing isn't it yeah but i think uh you know they say history bends towards justice but i think american history bends towards fucking you know the republicans and their shitty point of view what do you think about uh avenatti do you believe him that it's a jacob wool takedown i don't know i could i could believe that it was i could, we said this last week when we were talking about this story, I could also see him being a total piece of shit. Yeah.

Yeah. I just like, if he was a total piece of shit, why haven't they figured that out by now? That's the thing, right? You'd think the second he started making it hot, it would have been like, oh yeah, well we know about you, Michael Avenatti, which is why, I don't know. Has there been any update? It's so surprising that, there has been no update. That's the thing.

I'm like obsessed with it because he immediately came out and it was like that. Will tried to muller me. Right, right, right. And no one's talking about it. Wait, who do we think would have like exposed him if he was a shithead? Because the impression I get from all of the people who want to protect the president is that they're not that competent. Yeah, but there are plenty of oppo research firms that could dig that up.

There are plenty of people who are more competent. They have a whole mechanism for trying to find shit. That's true. Yeah, also the Stormy Daniels thing is the thing that's taking him down from these payments. And so I think all hands are on deck in terms of taking down Avenatti. Yeah, he's definitely, if he is involved in violence towards women, he's definitely leading with his chin, just walking out into public. Yeah. But Atwater brought in the era of not believing anything anyone does ever.

So murky. Yeah. Yeah. I was watching this. in the era of not believing anything anyone does ever. So murky. Yeah, yeah. I was watching this. There's a really good three-video series the New York Times made about Russian propaganda's history in the United States and how they started the government inventing the AIDS virus

and all sorts of rumors and conspiracy theories just to sort of destabilize. And they were saying that's the entire purpose of Russian propaganda and like KGB, like 25 percent of their budget and time was spent just making it so that we couldn't really that we wouldn't believe things that it was just like, you know, it introduced that seed of doubt. And that's what Trump just today was saying about the CIA concluding that the Khashoggi was ordered by MBS. Well, we'll never know for sure. We'll never know for sure. And then he's like, I don't listen to the tape.

It's a bad tape. Tape of suffering. Yeah, of course you don't. No shit. That's why you have to listen to it so you can get with reality. But hey, bury your head in the sand, my man. Right. All right.

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And we're back. Just real quick, we want to say happy birthday to Lunchables. They just turned 30. They were invented in a lab by a food scientist who then pitched them to a bunch of tobacco executives because at the time Oscar Mayer was owned by R.J. Reynolds. And they were like, oh my God, this is brilliant because we can make it super addictive and they are really bad for you.

Oh, wow. I was going to have a happy take on this. It's not just cheese and ham? It is, but it's super salty. Ham is not actually like a lot of the things that it doesn't just come directly off an animal's body. I think it's processed or at least the ham version. Yeah.

I mean, it's just like pink. Right. It's like has ham. It's like just a ham disc. Right. And the crackers are like buttery and the cheese is cheese. And I mean, I love I remember because my mom. I know they were so good.

At the store, she would never buy immigrant parents. They don't buy the shit all your American friends eat for lunch. And I'm like, I want this. She's like, fuck no. But then I had to be like, yo, you don't have to do shit, mom. Just send me out the door with this fucking thing, and you're good. And she got it for you? She did once.

And then she looked at it, and she's like, this looks like just garbage. Yeah, it is. And then maybe it was like two months in fourth grade when I was rocking Lunchables and then put i only maybe there's like two months in like fourth grade when i was rocking lunchables and then put the kibosh on that we really took for granted the great food we were getting like my mom would make me like in a thermos like beef noodle soup right like really good food and then i'd be like oh no i want to eat pizza yeah exactly i'm like this is gross everyone's making fun of me and then but then i'm now i'm like wow that was like good that was the shit when i was really young my mom used to make like a bento like the bento box you know as looked in all flying shit and people like what's that right and i'm like it's see it's

it's like miso fish yeah and then like they were eating like salami sandwiches and i would just cry right i like begged for a tuna and then so she finally started making tuna and but i was like i i don't know i just wanted it because other people had it yeah and then looking she finally started making tuna and but i was like i i don't know i just wanted it because other people had it yeah and then looking back i was like yo y'all are eating shit yeah yeah eating gourmet shit right but yeah the lunchables you know apparently they're still doing very well because uh craft heinz just sold them for one like nearly one and a half billion dollars yeah so parents are still lazy i wonder what are now. They've updated the types of food. Well, there was the pizza one.

That is. Yeah. You mentioned pizza. The taco bell one. The dessert pizza too. Did you guys ever have that? It was like. What?

They had a dessert pizza at Lunchables. We could have. It was like chocolate sauce on it. M&M's. Really? On what? On a little bread thing. Oh, wow.

Oh, yeah. Whoa. This is wild. And that was the main course or that was just the dessert? I can't remember if that came. That sounds elaborate. Was it part of the regular pizza or was it its own? I can't remember.

But I do remember eating a dessert pizza. Yeah, I think. No, I definitely saw an image of that. I think they have all kinds now. Yeah. And they are also the smoothies of children's lunches in the sense that you get to feel like you made something. Oh, yeah. You're like, oh, I made a sandwich and another one.

They have so many. It's funny. When you go to Lunchables.com, it's like, are you a kid or a parent? And the kid one's like, you need this shit. Right. The parent side is like Lunchables with a drink. You want 100% juice. You want Lunchables organic.

100% juice. Yeah. With Capri Sun sun that's funny that that used to seem like a testament of how healthy something was 100% juice and now i've like realized juice is really bad what does that even mean when they say that 100% juice it's just like it's actually they squeezed it out of a piece of fruit as opposed to it being like sugar water mixed with like some grape flavoring oh oh so it just mean like we use fruit to make this sugar water mixed with like some grape flavoring. Oh. Oh.

So it just means like we use fruit to make this sugar water. Yeah. Sugar juice. Yeah. Oh, because it wasn't juicy juice. I remember as a kid there, I was like, it's 100% juice. Yeah, and I thought it was healthy. I'm good on that.

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