The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 59 (Best of 1/22/19-1/25/19)

Episode Date: January 27, 2019

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or wherever you get your podcasts. New episodes every Thursday. Hello, the internet, and welcome to this episode of the Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laughstravaganza. Yeah, so without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist what is something you think is underrated uh marriage okay yeah like the the convention of marriage like what yeah i mean you know my wife is my best friend i know this is gonna sound totally traditional and maybe lame but

when i became when i got married there was sort of all those conversations at the beginning. Oh, your life's over from all your friends. You know, you're never going to be the same. Yeah. And it's kind of been the opposite. It's not kind, it's totally been the opposite. So I thought long and hard about this question. And I was like, you know, as traditional as that sounds,

that's about as honest as I can get. Yeah. Wow. That's good, man. I don't want to get married. Yeah. Because for the same reason, your life is over. You ain't never going to be the same.

Miles takes all life advice from his drinking buddies. And by that, it's my one friend who thought he was going to go to Michigan for a football and got hurt. And then that sort of informed his life view ever since. You know, I could have been in the league, right? Anyway, dude, don't get married, bro. He's single, right? Yeah.

And he keeps asking if he can crash in my car he's like can i just sleep in there man and i'm like you your parents can take you yeah but my mom's stepmom's a fucking bitch so it's like okay dude i gotta go uh but that's good to know because i feel like a lot of people i I mean, as I get older and my relationship goes longer and I'm inevitably like, yeah, I probably should get married. But I have like, you know, just past bullshit in my life where I'm like, I don't know if I'm going to get married. Right. But I like the idea of being with somebody, you know, for your life.

For your life. To have your partner. I guess it's like the idea of marriage. I think maybe, you know what it is? I think it's the cost of a wedding that's putting you down. Oh, you can just do it. mares i think maybe you know what it is i think it's the cost of a wedding that's putting you oh you can just do it one of the best weddings i've ever been to was just uh my buddy went to city hall in new york and we just all showed up there and then went and partied the whole night

and it was a lot of fun and then y'all picked up the bill uh yeah perfect okay so there we go how was your wedding um it was great it was uh, but it didn't matter. It was awesome. We got married at my wife's aunt's house in her backyard. There you go. So it was pretty low key. Now, was that ironic, though, based on the song? Right. Ironic. Rain on your wedding day is supposedly ironic.

I don't see the irony. I don't consult the Queen Alanis Morissette as much as I should. Yeah. She really is great, though. Let's face it. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Let's face it. Might I refer you to the book of Jagged Little Pill? How long have you been married?

Seven years. You're at the point where you can confidently say marriage is great? Yes. You don't want somebody to be in like three months, man. We just got back from week, man. Oh, last week, man. We just got back from Bali, man.

We're still riding that high. Got a good feeling. Just feel real good about this. Yeah. Our surf teacher was so cool. My wife was really into him. He was a really cool guy. He was taking her out for other surf trips,

so I could just relax by myself. Yeah, man, I love Bali. Anyway. Perfect. All right, guys, let's talk about personality tests. Have you guys ever taken personality tests before I made you take this one, Miles? Yeah, the Myers-Briggs one. Like, you know, BuzzFeed things, like, which Power Ranger are you?

Yeah. Blue Ranger. Nice, nice, nice. No personality. I don't know. When I was like sixth or seventh grade, the guidance counselor gave you a test to figure out what you were going to do for a living. Yeah. And I don't know what my result was, but basically the response was, you're never going to have a boss.

Oh, really? Oh, wow, wow. Which kind of messed with me as a kid. Yeah. I don't know what that says about my personality. Right. I'm a prick. You were fired from every job you had early on.

You're like, you're not my fucking boss, Rick. You're like, I'm the manager, Jake. Rick. Everybody has to have a boss named Rick at least once. Or an uncle who's a little too handsy. Has that held up? Have you never had a boss? No, I've had a boss. How'd that relationship go? He's in the back here. I hired him for the podcast. Oh, there you go. Nice. I'm joking, Brady. I'm joking. So this is 538

making a big claim here. They say most personality quizzes or personality tests are bunk. Try one that's actually scientific. And the things that it kind of judges your personality based on are openness to experience, agreeableness, conscientiousness, which is, does not mean what I thought it meant in this context,

negative emotionality and extroversion, which, yeah, Myers-Briggs, I think, has the extroversion thing and it has like all these different... But they're trying to more put you in a bucket. Right, Myers-Briggs. That's what they're... This is different. Like the Myers-Briggs is like, you are this kind of person. You are the explorer or you are the whatever.

And this is more like, here's how you rate in these five dimensions. And I think maybe that's probably an easier way because they acknowledge like you can't just lump. We can't just put people in buckets so cleanly. Yeah, you just have a score of one to 100 on all of these different continuums. And that seems like a more accurate way than being like, you are a baller. You are a worker bee. Like, well, I don't know. You have boss mentality.

Wait, yours didn't say that you're a baller? Because mine totally said I was a baller. Mine said terminal ballerness. So I'm terminally balling. Or wait, no, it says balding. That's so weird that they called that. Yeah, it has nothing to do with personality. Damn it.

I knew when it was like, do you wear hats all the time? I was like, yes. Yeah, and Myers-Briggs, which I think a lot of people have taken, has been widely debunked. And so I think this 538 survey is acknowledging that and acknowledging that a lot of other personality tests have been debunked and that this one is not as flashy, but it also does seem to have like some sort of indicator of the type of person that you are. But yeah, I mean, we scored pretty similarly in a lot of categories. Yeah, a couple

categories. I scored the lowest in negative emotionality, 21 out of 100. Yeah, I think I was in the 20s as well. what does that mean negative emotionality so they say low negative emotionality people who score on the higher end of this trait are plagued by anxiety sadness anger and conflict but not you you whistle while you work yeah even if the rest of the office is glaring into their fourth cup of coffee there's such a thing as to be too cheerful because sadness and anxiety are things that help us learn from our mistakes but low negative emotionality is generally associated with good things. So, yeah, job satisfaction, things like that.

There's another side of that coin. Like Abe Lincoln was a terminally depressed person. He had chronic depression. And I read a book that speculated that his depression actually made him a better leader because they found that people who are depressed are actually in closer touch with reality. And so they're more willing to acknowledge like negative things around them. Whereas people like me who score 25 out of a hundred on negative emotionality, we have to block out things. And so we're just not, so basically it's good to have somebody who is high on negative emotionality to keep you aware of the negative things going on. Oh, interesting. I mean, I don't think, but even as you say that, I do the opposite.

Like, I don't try and block things out. Like, if something bad is occurring, it's like a binary choice to either accept the reality of the situation or resist it by being in denial about it. So I think by accepting whatever reality is helps me to not be so jarred by it. I'm like, okay, well, that's happening. So that's what it is. Now let me just maneuver now. You can't resist it. It's going to find its way into you somehow and you're going to have to deal with it.

Yeah, you burn more energy trying to be like, no, get this shit away than being like, okay, what's up then? Let's figure this out. Yeah. Something I saw that like where this test immediately jumped into my mind while going through last week's headlines was openness to experience, which Miles and I scored like really- Scored a high.

Miles scored a hundred. I got a 96, which is aesthetic sensitivity, intellectual curiosity, creative imagination. aesthetic sensitivity intellectual curiosity creative imagination and they say that uh you know you're basically motivated by new experiences and like a danger is that you might like abuse drugs or use like end up with a substance use disorder. So people in trying to debunk this report about Trump telling Cohen to lie about Russia, one of the reporters had been shamed in the past because he like lied or like did some shady things journalistically, the BuzzFeed news reporter. And he was explaining that like he used to be a drug user and has since gotten sober. But he said, like, he basically described it as being part of the same thing.

He was like, I love the score. So maybe there's this druggish thing in me that still exists. Maybe that was always part of my personality. I love the score. I love the score, particularly when it's from the government. I just got you to give me your own documents, you know, which is like he crawled back to respectability using like FOIA. Right. You know, and so.

Now I'm just hooked on Freedom of Information Act. Yeah, but that's one of the things, the two sides of the coin of openness to experience that they list are like dangerous drugs on the bad side versus like being a really good investigative journalist or lawyer. I'm just really good investigative journalist or lawyer. I'm just really good at drugs. Right.

You are the best. I'm the best. Yeah. So other categories, agreeableness, which is pretty self-explanatory. Conscientiousness is more just like being aware of your surroundings, being productive, responsible, and organized, which it's not like- like scored not too high on that one yeah and then extraversion is where we really we're different miles yeah right yeah i scored uh 79 and i scored a 38 so that balances out you know yeah exactly on it together together that's 107

we're off the charts but yeah so i don't know, take it. I mean, it's interesting to take. And then when you actually read through, I'm like, there are more than other ones. I'm like, that's a pretty good description of how I see things or whatever. So when they test, what's that thing called? The Q rating? Where they test the likability of stars, where they ask other people. Right. Basically giving a personality test for a third party to the public.

Oh, right, right. Familiarity and things like that. I wonder how those questions, yeah, exactly. I wonder how those questions line up with these. Yeah, that's interesting. The public, always a good judge of character. For instance, Bill Cosby was the most trusted man in America. America's dad.

Up until like 2007. It's like, yo, what were we doing? Miles, what is this Gizmodo story about the president being not entirely honest? Yeah. Breaking news. Man, you know, for all the shit that President Trump talks about fake news, I mean, he needs to take a look at himself. And what I mean, look at himself, look at the unedited photos of himself. Because someone at Gizmodo started kind of like doing some side-by-side comparisons of

pictures put out from Trump's Facebook and Instagram, along with like the actual news photographs, and realized that your boy is photoshopping himself to look a little bit thinner, you know, flatten out his necklines a little bit, and at times slightly augmenting the size of his hands in a way that's like, yeah, okay. And it's really subtle stuff. They're just sort of bringing in his jacket a little bit or just slightly elongating a finger.

But I mean, ever since Graydon Carter called him a short-fingered vulgarian, he's been really on the defensive about his hands. It's almost like that's the 100% fucking true. Right, right. I mean, the second someone calls you out for something and you go, nah, look at this, you lost. Yeah, yeah. You lost.

Exactly. You lost. But yeah, it's funny because he's doing some face's like he's doing some like face tuning and you know he's trying to get his glow up on I knew someone was like when he had the dog ears and shit

I was like I think he's trying to get one over I don't think that's his biological fucking ears his tongue and that bit big eyelashes our president's pretty adorable but you know

like has anyone else noticed that yeah so again it's just interesting to get a peek inside his head what we knew how sort of how insecure insecure and aware he was of how he looks and how he wants to look and be perceived but yeah when you look at all this like it's really subtle too like even the the the editor at gizmodo who was looking at these like had to do like sort of overlay gifts

so you can kind of see the difference because if you put them side by side, you'd have to squint your eyes. But you're like, oh, yeah, look. His torso got a little bit thinner. His finger got half an inch longer. Yeah. It looks like they're like, I'm looking at it right now. You can definitely see on his, the good one on the face, that looks like the shit that he's going to paint on the brick walls when fucking phase two rolls around.

Right. That looks like the North Korea status. Like, paint on the brick walls when fucking phase two rolls around. Right. That looks like the North Korea status. Like, oh, shit, that's a handsome guy. And then over here, you're like, oh, that's a dumpy bucket of shit. But over here, I can definitely see the difference. Yeah. But, you know, again, this isn't surprising. Not at all.

But it's a funny one, again, for all the shit that it's like about. I mean, not that I'm even surprised at how this person contradicts himself but uh it's it's a sad look into a torture it's like the very definition of fake news like this is in and of itself like a fabricated report yeah yeah like if you're putting out altered pictures of yourself like that's yeah you're the one you're you're faking the news at this point right the people who basically invented photoshop was stalinist russia right like delete people from pictures who he wanted killed and wanted erased from history so people didn't start asking questions and also just because he was mean yeah or also putting himself next to

people he never met too right uh i don't know about that i just know that that was like the main thing they used photoshop for was to just delete people from history. And then, yeah, they said that Kim Jong-un, they don't think there has been a picture released to the North Korean public where he hasn't been Photoshopped. Have we not seen those photos? No, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just he's always photoshopped essentially well but we see the western media's photos of him where he's definitely not photoshopped right right i'm trying to look i've i don't think i've seen the side by sides of how yeah

is he just ripped or something he's always just like in like a dissolving tank top it's equally subtle stuff but it's just's just his insecurity kind of bleeds through and everybody around him. One of the best movies of last year actually was The Death of Stalin, and it just gets at the sort of madness, sort of insanity that takes hold when you are in a dictatorship where the whole thing is just based around one person's whims. the whole thing is just based around one person's right whims and like uh khrushchev is played by steve buscemi and khrushchev ends up like running uh soviet russia after stalin is gone but like the thing he's best at is just playing this game of like he goes home at the end of these like long all-night drinking events where stalin like has all his guys around him like laughing at his jokes and like telling him stories and shit and like goes home and dictates to his wife everything that he remembers saying because he's shit-faced but he wants to remember it the next

day so that he then can like because stalin that was a way he like manipulated the people around him was like basically everybody got shit-faced. He would make everybody get drunk and then see what they said, basically. This is a reality TV show or something? Yeah, that's exactly right. He also invented reality TV. Get the people on camera shit-faced. I've been saying Stalin is way ahead of his time.

No, I don't want to say that. Hey, speaking of giant corporations, McDonald's is doing bacon fries. We talked about this last year. Yes. We saw there were rumors. Very rabid McDonald's fans were like, they're testing bacon fries in this market. In the past, this market has been used to test for much larger national rollouts of menu items. And behold, I think starting on the 30th, those bacon cheese fries

will be available. And on top of that, they're going to add like bake there. You can get bacon on like a big Mac or quarter pounder. The only reason I bring this up is to promote this on January 29th, next Tuesday from four to 5 PM local time. McDonald's is having what they call the bacon hour where they will let you add bacon to any item on the menu. You could put it on a Filet-O-Fish sandwich and really gross your friends out. Apple pie? Yeah, fuck it.

Apple pie, McFlurry, whatever, anything, they will let you do it. So, you know, just to keep all you stoners on, red alert, it's happening and it's happening for free. That's a good marketing stunt. Although it's weird. I's happening for free that's a good like marketing stunt although it's weird i still as much as i like talk about like oh that would be cool i still only eat breakfast at mcdonald's you still only eat breakfast yeah that's like i haven't had like a

non-breakfast item that wasn't fries in a pretty long time right the fries are so good though man the breakfast like the cult of breakfast at mcdonald's is something that i have never got into yeah i know it's fucking weird i'm not like even as a kid like i honestly didn't have breakfast at mcdonald's until i was like in my 30s right like it just wasn't a thing that like i was like why would i want this and then i had it i was like okay yeah you want to start your day off feeling like you have for me wrong with you for, it started off because my mom's Japanese. I did not grow up eating traditional American breakfast food. Yeah, I get that. So I sort of began fetishizing eggs and bacon and sausage

and McMuffin type shit. And then I used to play hockey, so you would wake up fucking wild early to go to practice. Yeah, yeah. And that was the only thing. My practice would be over. It would be 7 a.m. Right, totally.

And then my dad would be like, let's get McDonald's. My dad's black. So he was like, let's get McDonald's. And then from there, I was like, see, this is what I like. And I would ask my mom to buy sauce. She's like, I don't know how to make that. Yeah. She's like, I'm not doing that.

So then that's how, for me, it kind of turned into that. Interesting. But I know people that are also just, you know, red-blooded Americans. Yeah. No, you're not alone. I fucking love the shit out of it. And I don't know what it is if it's a convenience thing if it's just like the proper msg and salt and fat is just hitting your brain at the right you know levels that it becomes addictive but yeah i mean

i've definitely like enjoyed the shit out of mcdonald's over my lifetime don't get me wrong it's just not something that like no i know because it's one of those things like the cult of bacon yeah it's very similar except there's the cult of mcdonald's breakfast where people are like will just spill their blood in the street oh yeah for sure i'm more fascinated by people that are like i eat a big mac every single day for the last like 97 years like there's some dude that has like eaten a big mac every single day yeah warren buffett eats mcdonald's breakfast every single morning and he's right still alive and doing well uh last i heard some say he's doing well yeah i know i have a theory about like your body can be like if you do anything in repetition your body can

adapt to it right yeah that's right so it's like if you had five cheerios and you know a bowl full of sugar every single day and right you know for your whole life and that's what your body knows i think it would be more detrimental if you're like the one day you don't have that bowl of sugar right right no you had a friend whose grandma like only ate hot dogs and drank Diet Pepsi. Yeah. In like the last 20 years of her life

up until she was like 98. Damn. Honestly, I'm not going to lie. I'm kind of looking forward to that future. Yo, but there was, yeah, she was like, I just have my cigarette. Yeah, man.

Like when I hit 60, if I'm still kicking, like I'm not, I'm going to do all the things that I don't want to do. Right. That I tried. I'm going to be like, oh no, kicking, like I'm not, I'm going to do all the things that I don't want to do. Right. Like that I tried. I'm going to be like, oh, no, no.

Guess what? Yeah, I know. I definitely smoke a joint every single morning before I talk to anybody. By the way, I'm not saying it's all genetics. Your choices can impact. But at that point, I'm 60. Like I put in these good years. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Like what else? Let's ride out. Let's do this. I just want to while out and do whatever I want and not be asked questions about it. All right. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back. Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16th, 2017 was murdered. There are crooks everywhere you look now. The situation is desperate.

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enemy of the right wing mr jared hol Holt. What's going on, man? Oh, thanks for having me. It's a pleasure to be back. Yeah, well, I'm glad you reached out to me on Twitter because we were trying to just get all the details on this Covington Catholic showdown in DC where it was very clear to us what was going on. And then suddenly the media took a right turn on their coverage of it. And suddenly we were talking about how children's lives were being ruined. Yes. We want to give white boys the benefit of every doubt. Let's wait. Let's wait for the whole video to come out.

Right. Although Botham Jean had weed. So he should have been shot. Right. What the fuck is that? Anyway. So Jared, yeah. Like you were, you were mentioning like, you know, this was, this wasn't just some organic

thing. Like PR firms were hired and there was a coordinated effort to begin to sort of spin the coverage of this. Yeah, if this story seems chaotic or confusing or like nobody knows what's going on, that is on purpose. Because whenever it's a PR strategy, whenever you can flood the zone with, you know, bits and pieces and various claims of information, that provides a solid foundation to build a new narrative. And that's exactly what we've seen develop over, what is it, day four, day five of this story? And so, like, it started off with everyone just sort of initially seeing the first clip of Nicholas Sandman in yeah Nathan Phillips he was playing his drum and you just see that

shit-eating grin in his face and you see all his classmates you know mocking him and things like that and just whatever hooting and hollering and shit and at first everyone was like okay look at this shit look at yet again another group of MAGA clad young people harassing this Native American elder uh and then suddenly if people were like well we need to see the whole tape you know they didn't mob him he came up to them and therefore this kid was standing his ground and just being polite or whatever stand your ground yeah it was like and literally motherfuckers were saying stand your ground that's when I was like, you lost me there. But yeah, yeah. So kind of like walk us through sort of the evolution of how we got to, you know, looking at this video to suddenly people like, you know,

Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar and The View saying, I think we jumped to, I think we jumped too quickly. We jumped the gun guys. Yeah. The Atlantic, the columnist who wrote about it was like, I'm going to sit the next outrage wave out, you guys. I made a bad decision. So yeah, let's talk about how the story actually evolved. Yeah, so it was late afternoon after the March for Life rally, which is a rally that takes place in DC every year where various religious organizations and schools, you know, bus in a ton of kids and a ton of activists into D.C. for a few days to fight against women's rights to reproductive health care.

These group of kids from Covington Catholic High School in Kentucky were at the Lincoln Memorial, allegedly waiting on a bus, and they got into this altercation back and forth, maybe altercation's too harsh of a word, like shouting match, with black Hebrew Israelites, which anybody who lives in a major city has seen this group. They show up on street corners, yell inflammatory things, and seek to, you know, get attention. I sort of liken it to the Westboro Baptist Church. So then in comes Nathan Phillips and some various indigenous activists

that are in town for the Indigenous Peoples March. And they get in between the groups. Nathan Phillips is banging his drum and singing. And then you get to the point where this clip is filmed. That clip goes viral overnight into early Saturday. And media personalities watch the clip. If I remember right, it was about two minutes. And a lot of them, you know, reacted to what they saw, which was incredible disrespect. And it was just gross. It just felt gross, you know. And then in comes this right wing, you know, media PR campaign that, you know, is being ginned up by this PR firm in Kentucky

called Run Switch PR. And it starts with people like Joey Salads, who is a right-wing YouTuber who is infamous for pissing into his own mouth for views. And, you know, sort of filters up into people like the Mike Cernovich's of the world, the Jack Posobiec's of the world, people who already have sort of a questionable credibility because of involvement with conspiracy theories and outlets like Infowars, they pick up the story. And then from there, it gets picked up in Reason Magazine. And that is really sort of what lit the match on this. And once it was in reason it shot up through conservative media and you know with each new additional video angle that came out there were more and more cries for reporters to

retract their claims or to correct their claims but what's important to remember is no amount of additional footage or content changed the facts of what happened in that video. And what people originally reacted to still stands. It still happens. You know, really, this is just sort of like a classic story of major media outlets and, you know, what we believe to be credible reporters getting thrown off their game by a, you know, wide scale misinformation campaign and sort of in the process, whether consciously or not, granting a luxury to these students that you don't see media grant to people in other cases,

like, you know, most prominently when young black men get shot by the police right the yeah i feel like functionally or even the contextually the only thing that i saw that changed was maybe the idea that these kids swarmed nathan phillips and that he approached them but even in that context right like when they were like well we had to just sort of like we were just responding in the way we thought i mean even then i don't even think that is the decent way right if you're if you're going to objectively try and not avoid any kind of conflict you just walk away yeah but rather than everybody has their MAGA hats on they're all turnt up they're doing the chop and saying all kinds of other things and i mean yeah they're doing the tomahawk chop in the background

that is like how is that misinterpreted i am sorry right misinterpret but whether you're a child or whether you are 172 like i think it's pretty easy to identify disrespect yeah exactly and i think fundamentally we should try to teach like treat each other which is much respect as we humanly can even when we're in moments of debate because i think debate is important, right? And you're going to need to have conversations about things. That's decidedly different than being accusatory, being aggressive, being disrespectful, being dismissive. Right. And whatever package you want to wrap around that. But like the bottom line is this, like they all had red MAGA hats on, right?

And like, I'm sorry, but like groups of young white men are not known to really be like great. Yeah. Well, and they also have. You know what I mean? In that situation, approaching people of color like, oh, yeah, we're just supposed to be like, oh, these poor guys. Like, oh, you mean the future tormentors of America? Right. You mean the next generation of oppressors?

Yeah. And you think about the history of white intimidation against groups of people of color who are trying to demonstrate or are trying to protest. Like everyone was running all those historical photos of how, look, shit has not changed. You know, like there's a history of this, of people trying to have their voices heard and then being intimidated. So I think it falls in line with that.

And then this idea that they're, you know, I think what Sarah Huckabee Sanders is like, oh, how quickly we love to destroy a child's life. You'll miss me with that shit. Because when these kids are brown at the border and you split them the fuck up from their families, where is that empathy? What about the children that are in cages that are dying because we won't give them water because their parents are trying to make passage for a better life for their children? It's really frustrating. And I think there's a lot of people who are instantly – I think the thing too, is we do live in an era, right? Where we have

acknowledged that people are sort of bringing their own shit to even looking at a given image or video. Of course. And I think that that's why people were able to play around with that. Cause some people saw, Oh, I just saw a kid smiling. Other people were like, I know that shit eating grin because I've been on the other end of that shit eating grin in my life. And other people were like, well, I don't know. We still have to see. And I think they were able to play around with a lot of people bringing their own sort of viewpoint to that and sort of missing the overarching point, like you said, Jared, is that we know disrespect when we see it.

And they're not having their lives destroyed. I don't see any of these kids, they're being run out on a rail from anywhere. If anything, they're being shamed for their shameful behavior. Right, yes. And I think, again, but the right-wing self-victimization machine fired up, like, real quick. Of course. And we got to this point.

Yeah. We know what the MAGA hat symbolizes. They know what the MAGA hat symbolizes. This is apparently a popular thing for groups of white high school students to do is buy MAGA hats. And like there was a group that went to the National Museum of African American History wearing it. And like it's meant as a provocation. It's like a transgressive act. And he's wearing it with a shit eating grin on his face and not, asucker carlson suggested like a scared look on his face motherfucker please get out of here yeah and then to that point too he has a pr firm right

nathan phillips doesn't yeah cut to uh nick sandman on the today's show right on wednesday and then telling savannah guthrie that he's not sorry right what happened he just says i think i wish things happened differently right and then now now this has been deployed as another piece in the culture war too because now I think there's rumors that Trump might have them, the Covington High School kids, to the White House or some shit. I don't know if that's true. I've read things like that. But, of course, that would happen.

Yeah, I mean, the hat is a symbol of Trump, and it symbolizes hatred. That's just the point that we're at with this president. We have an actual person who got into power via hatred. Like there's no disputing that. And to ignore that and to ignore the fact that he's wearing a MAGA hat in the face of, you know, somebody who is there explicitly because they are part of a oppressed minority. Like, just miss me with that shit about them, like, fucking, like, needing our sympathy and the benefit of our doubt. They're being intentionally transgressive. And, you know, this is a school, by the way, that has a history of just all sorts of weird shit.

Like, they have students at basketball games wear blackface. Yeah. Like pebblies. Well, they said, well, we have all theme nights. We have whiteout, blueout, blackout. And so we're just showing our school spirit. That's what they said on Fox and Friends. Yeah.

And again, when you have people in all black, but you're painting on a smiley face and eyes. Yes. You're not just blacking your body. You're putting on black face yeah and especially when then you go maybe skip the blackout yeah skip the blackout maybe skip the blackout paint your body white blue great yeah there's too much history red out skip the yellow out skip the brown out let's just do purple out green out impossible skin tones and i bet when

they're uh doing the blue out they don't have a big smiley face painted on their face. No. It's a minstrel cartoon. Well, right. And again, too, even the images you've seen of them, there were students in blackface just trying to, I don't know, provoke a black basketball player on the opposition team at a game. You're like, come on.

And a lot of people, I don't know how much of these anecdotes are true, but other people have come out with stories of people who had gone there in the past and like, you know, this is not really surprising for this school. Right. I mean, you know. Oh, I mean, like this can all like feel very frustrating and you like look to media outlets in this country, especially the big ones, and you wonder like how this could happen. But the fact is like this thing, whether it's and you wonder, like, how this could happen, but the fact is, like, this thing, whether it's, you know, the photos of the students in Blackface Get Up, or, you know, this original clip, or various, you know, other details that are coming out about how these boys behaved at the march, or things that have happened at the school, like it's all very clear, but it's

sort of a big problem that we have in our reporting right now, which is that, you know, right wing causes are able to completely manipulate reporters and change the conversation entirely and in the process, abandon all responsibility for anything shitty that's happening or any problems in this country that we need to have an honest conversation about right it's happening with the quote-unquote debate over the wall like now suddenly nancy pelosi is being depicted as you know just one side in this debate over whether the wall needs to be funded and the government shutdown. And the Democrats not willing to entertain any ideas on funding a monument to racism

is now, that's just one side of the debate. This is going to happen in a world where the president himself is his name is used as a taunt by school bullies and people who are like harassing someone for racist reasons yeah in a coming off a year where the you know white people committed the most extremist violence ever this last year right so you know shit like that's on the rise. And also, I think there also needs to be just as much, you know, smoke for these parents and teachers, too. You know what I mean? Oh, 100%.

Because, like, yeah, I get to a certain point, you know, when you're a kid, you really don't know shit. But also, you need, that's where mentors, teachers, parents need to step in also to make sure, you know, that fucking kids are raised right. Or learn the basic, like, the minimum for respect. I agree with you 100%, but that's why I call them the future oppressors of America because within their constructs of their school and their community, they are probably the stalwarts of the community.

They're upstanding citizens. They're modeling all of the behaviors that they're watching. They live in a community that has the protection of the cloak of unaccountability that Trump has been giving people. You know what I mean? To your point, Jack, that's exactly what people are saying as they're going around and being like,

well, the president supports me, so why should I finally have to stop pretending that I don't feel this way? Oh, yeah. If Barack Obama was like, yo, smoke blunts every day, I would be like, that's what exactly,

that's what Obama said. You know what I mean? That addsama said yeah you know what i mean like that that's another other dimension of confidence to what you do or to have you know uh you can be sanctimonious about shit because you're like oh well he's on my side right truth is on my side you know all these little communities that are very hateful that have been you know slowly burning that oil that same tallow that they you know killed a while ago are now pouring vats of it onto it because they can and nobody is stopping them you know what i mean but to jared's point that's the sad part about how

we talk about it in the media what we amplify right the stories that we tell the spin that people forget how much money is going on behind this right right and to your point you know i'm with you miles where it's like at some point like these kids are just kids. And I always hope that, you know, instead of getting doxxed or like death threats or whatever, that this could just be a teachable moment. But we're seeing like the reaction here was not to have a teachable moment. The reaction was to hire a PR firm and run a media operation that they're using to just bludgeon reporters over the head and gaslight them entirely yeah and let him go on today's show and be like i'm not sorry right i'm sorry that people are upset i'm sorry that it could have gone a different way hindsight i was standing my ground it's like and he looked man like he looks so like lawyers ran through all the words he can and can't use and shit. But again, this is where, you know,

when this kind of story now enters culture war territory, that's when all this shit mobilizes around it. And we get a situation like this. So, right. And just speaking of the parents there, there was a mother of one of the boys who wrote to heavy.com and was like, it was shameful. Did you witness the black Muslims yelling profanities

and videotaping to get something to further your narrative of hatred? So we see where their true colors lie. The black Muslims. They turned the black Israelites into the black Muslims. Who are already a problematic group. I mean, nobody's... Right. Yeah, no, nobody's...

Yeah, but they're just like, yeah, no, Muslims. Buzzword, buzzword, black Muslims. We love fighting against that shit. They're trying to turn that shit into the Crusades. But yeah, again, you know, it's important to look where everybody's empathy is going. Right. Because it's, you know, we've shown in the last year,

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And then I found myself using it so much that I was like, all right, I've got to stop using that. And then I noticed Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez use it in a tweet yesterday. And then I woke up this morning. I had my first newsflash on my phone had wild used as an adjective. And Brooke, you have a theory on where this is coming from. I do. And I'm not trying to name drop that I know and admire this person in particular. But I really think like Nicole Byer has been saying this like for a long time.

Yeah. She's used it as a hilarious adjective. Like I used to produce and direct her like when she do interviews on Girl Code code like her instagram descriptions have been you know basically she's used the adjective wild for as long as i can remember to basically describe how insane and racist people are in her comments while being really funny about it but she's like people are wild yeah and she's been doing it for a long time i think she's like wild is the new yas. Yeah, right, right. You know, it's fun to have an adjective and a descriptor different than crazy because crazy is getting a little tired.

And now it is sort of like, oh, well, it's like a gaslighting word toward women or it's being disrespectful to anyone with mental health struggles or whatever. Wild is like, ah, this feels fresh. Rolls off the tongue. I mean, I think it's just ebonics, you know, essentially, because it's like a thing I hear. I think it starts probably with wilding,

you know, when they were using that talk about teens, the problematic use of it of like these black teenage, like wilding. And then that turns to wilding out, to wilding out, or they wilding. And then you get wild. And I think, yeah, it's definitely a thing I've heard in hip hop, And then that turns to wilding out, to wilding out, or they wilding. Right. And then you get wild. Right. And I think, yeah, it's definitely a thing I've heard in hip hop, but I feel it's one

of those things that it just reached the threshold where now it's just spilled over into the general American lexicon. Yeah. Where you hear wild a lot, but I think with also Desus and Mero too, they probably use the word wild 7,000 times in episodes. Do they? Oh, yes. Yes, yes, yes.

And using it as the wild something, like as a modifier too. Oh, right, right, right. Like something can be wild or you're like, I'm smoking the wild L. Like whatever it is. I'm sure it's like all of these things. You know, like it's all a bunch of contributing factors. Yeah, and I think many people are getting it from many dimensions. Yeah.

Plus, yeah, I think wild and wilding has been, I think it must descend from Wildin. Yeah. And I think it's also like, right, if you can use it in different areas of language, it's sort of like I was in Hawaii and you just say like mahalo for everything and it's like a good, cool thing. Or like you overseas, like in the Netherlands, like a word like gazelle, you know, it's just just good general feelings or whatever. Or lecker just kind of means tasty, cool, cute, nice, whatever.

Wild, I think, generally is kind of... I think it's definitely attributing negative qualities to things right now. Or things that are extra. Extra or negative. I feel like it's kind of what that means. I wonder... It's also a what that means. I wonder. Yeah. It's also like a very good description of our day-to-day lives.

And, you know, we have somebody running the free world who seems to be governed by animal instinct. It's wild. And it keeps, yeah, it keeps our news cycle completely wild. I'm still sticking. I like, you know, I know crazy is a little played out. So I prefer craisins. I go, that is Craisins. Or Bonkers and Bananas, still stand by.

I like Bonkers and Bananas. Those are a couple of my faves. Not as popular. Right. Yeah, I mean, I'm going to say, I think I'll just attribute it to New York. I have a feeling

that's where it all started. Yeah, big city of dreams. Because where, I mean, we get so much of our slang from either drag queens or hip hop. And a lot of the stuff we get from hip hop is coming from New York. But anyway, yeah, this is a wild segment. Yes. Where watching you be like, I've noticed myself wanting to use the adjective wild.

It's a very delicious dish. Right, exactly. I don't't know i find it interesting i want to see if other people find it interesting and keep an eye out for it well let me hear like corva coleman doing like uh you know right yeah be like a wild next on npr i think just like the way lit has also crossed crossed the rubicon too Yeah, but that seems more like a new thing, and I understand why that is. It's like, ah, a thing kids say, and it just comes up the normal way that hip catchphrases come up, but wild has been a thing my parents have said for years and stuff.

And I don't feel too old to say it. There's like a non-ageism with the word wild either. have said like for years and stuff. And I don't feel too old to say it. There's like a non-ageism with the word wild either. I feel like you'd see hippies say like, man, that's wild. Yeah, exactly. Far out. Okay, I know somebody probably wrote a dissertation on the origins of wild in slang.

So please hit us with that study. Yeah, and I mean the vocal fry, one of the most interesting things I've heard in the past couple years was somebody tracing vocal fry as it went from Valley Girls in the 80s to then just most women to now everyone has vocal fry. I don't know what you're talking about. It's like literally also another one. Anyways, well, speaking of the middle another one. Anyways. Well, speaking of the middle of America, Costco has a plan, you guys.

They might be stepping into the streaming arena. This is wild. Yeah. So this media exec, Mark Greenberg, apparently has been shopping an idea around for a Netflix that speaks to the forgotten American. Apparently he's been shopping an idea around for like a Netflix that speaks to the forgotten American. You know, the people in flyover country in the Midwest that don't have the taste for hoity-toity shows like Stranger Things or Homecoming or The Ranch. You know what I mean? What's The Ranch? The Ranch is that fucking Ashton Kutcher show that was made for people who don't like, don't fuck with Black Mirror.

Yeah. Anyway, so Greenberg was working with Walmart on something like on a very similar thing because, you know, they're like, we need to team up with a brand that like middle America inherently just trusts. Right. And we'll not think about the destruction of mom and pop stores. Right. So they figure Walmart is good. But then Walmart's like, no, I think we're all in on Vudu, that paid streaming platform.

I think they have something to do with Vudu. So they passed on it. Yeah. So now Greenberg is talking with Costco because that's sort of like the other very familiar brand to anyone in America. Right. But also Walmart's arch nemesis. Right. So just thinking of like, yes, get into this, because I think a lot of it has to do with the idea that Netflix, they feel like there's been although there has been huge subscriber growth, it's happening in like other countries.

The subscription growth in the US is starting to kind of flatten out. And I think that is where these people say like, oh, OK, so they've done peak coastal urban or like metropolitan market penetration. But what about these other state like what about these other state? Like, what about these other places? Is there, is there another market that we're just not tapped into? Right. So I don't know what kind of programming that they have will be. Maybe it'll be,

you know, more Mike Huckabee specials, uh, the leather special with Mike Huckabee. Oh yeah. We need to get, we need to get back to, uh,

I tried, I tried watching it and I've, I almost had a fucking meltdown because we were uh watching mike huckabee's show last week and punching up some of his jokes did you know he has a late night show now i would uh well i told you i just stopped drinking so i don't think i should yeah yeah watch it so i'm more like on solid self-care is actually not watching mike huckabee there we go yeah that like and i mean that uh but yeah i think that's where the market is where they still feel that and i think you know there was like a study where a majority of people uh like in middle america felt that the

media does not actually functionally understand what how they live yeah or what their life is like no for sure it's an interesting thesis i mean because c audience. Right. And CBS is one of the networks that kind of caters to more middle American viewers. But CBS doesn't have some great streaming platform or something that they're getting people to buy into. No. And I mean, I was on a show for a couple of years that just got canceled this week. It's okay. I was on a show for a couple of years that just got canceled this week. It's okay.

But like True TV is also kind of like the high quality network that like, I'm sorry. It's like Middle America watches True TV. Right. What they're doing in my mind where I'm like, I feel like Adam Conover's show, which is so great. Like people really enjoy it. But I think he's about like where Middle America tops out just because he's like debunking things. Right. You know, and he's like got an ascot on and whatever.

And like, I love all that about Adam. And then, but I think that's who watches TV. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's an interesting thesis. It'll be interesting to see if, if Costco has the stomach for it. Kirkland though, you know, look, they got their, their shine in baskets. Right.

So Costco has already entered the media sphere. Right, that's true. As far as I'm concerned with Louis Anderson buying all Kirkland everything. My God. I mean, it is beloved everywhere, Costco. Oh, my God. Honestly, I might fuck, if it was called Kirkland flicks or some shit, I would be like, I kind of have to see what's going on here.

Have you guys ever had a Kirkland signature hangover? Yes. What do they have? Oh, just a big-ass bottle of silver tequila. It's like if you're throwing a big get-together, you do not shell out for top brands. You go to Costco and you get what they have. Same people making it, just different bottle.

Possibly. I'm the same maker. But I am responsible for- That hangover disagrees. Yep. Yeah. Oh, I love the light beer. We call them Kirkland Spices, but they're just Kirkland light beer.

It's so aggressively generic. Unit price comes out to about 48 cents a can. Hey. Wow. Yeah. Get that Kirkland light. Just swill beer. All right.

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