The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 70 (Best of 4/8/19-4/12/19)

Episode Date: April 14, 2019

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Starting point is 00:02:07 Hear episodes of Rip Current early and completely ad-free and receive exclusive bonus content by subscribing to iHeartTrue Crime Plus, only on Apple Podcasts. Hello, the internet, and welcome to this episode of the weekly Zeitgeist. this episode of the weekly zeitgeist uh these are some of our favorite segments from this week all edited together into one uh non-stop infotainment laugh stravaganza uh yeah so without further ado here is the weekly zeitgeist. scam calls i'm like i wanted to talk about it before and then i got this call which i normally would have screened but i picked it up because i was like let's see like maybe this will provide some additional data oh so this is you were inspired by the podcast to actually pick it up entertain this call yeah okay and so today uh i said hey guys i i've told you that i've like want to be put on a list that it like says no call or like
Starting point is 00:03:25 taken off the list or whatever and he said I thought I told you to shut your mouth bitch and then I do too I like looked at I started like googling because they said that is bold he said they were from the home center or something. Yeah, the home center. And I immediately started Googling, not because I wanted to get them in trouble, but because I wanted to talk to them further and be like, yo, that is amazing. That is so funny. Maybe you should call back and be like, I was actually being helped by someone.
Starting point is 00:04:03 Maybe you can check the logs to see who it was that called me. I feel like I'm actually interested, but I only want to talk to that guy. I mean, I get it, man. Working in a call center is fucking terrible. I tried it for a second. It's not good. But it's funny that you were so sweet. You're actually trying to be nice, and he's like, I thought I told you, bitch ass.
Starting point is 00:04:20 Shut the fuck up. Oh, I could use a nice warm glass to shut the hell up. He thought he was going to neg me into being like, okay, fine. I'll go. Richass, shut the fuck up. Oh, I could use a nice warm glass to shut the hell up. Yeah. He thought he was going to neg me into being like, okay, fine, I'll go. I'll pay you. Damn, now that you showed me his boss, I am interested in some cider. Okay, fine, here's my credit card info. I guess I could take the existing solar panels off my house and put new ones on. But do you guys have, do you get the spam calls that are like from the same person over and over again?
Starting point is 00:04:45 Yeah, yeah, yeah. The same entity? Oh, yeah. I have the same one. I never make it far enough to know who they are. I just hang up immediately and block them. Yeah. When I get scam likely shows up, I'm sorry, boop, rejected off the rip.
Starting point is 00:04:58 If the part they get me is when they do it in your native area code. Yeah. And then I start thinking, oh, it's someone in the valley. right let me maybe yeah the homie oh yeah and then somebody's like uh hi are you the homeowner and i'm like off i literally go fuck off and i just hang up but i'm sure like when you're dealing with that a you're probably being paid shit yeah and then you're dealing with not people as polite as jack being like i believe i'm on some kind of a list probably people being like don't fucking call me i'm kind of a list. Probably people being like, don't fucking call me,
Starting point is 00:05:26 I'm gonna fucking find you type shit. Right, right. Also, you work on commission. Yeah. Right. Yeah, exactly. So probably when you're not making any money, well, not probably,
Starting point is 00:05:33 when you're not making any money, you're like so angry. And then Jack was maybe his last chance for it to make money that night. So he was like, fuck you, you bitch ass. We should put a GoFund me together for this man i think we should all find him befriend him make him our hero i think they're like keeping me on the list
Starting point is 00:05:52 as like a prank or something because every time i say the same thing and i so i went and like did research on what you're supposed to do and they're like don't immediately hang up don't engage with the telemarketer in any way which big mistake i. I've been being like, I'm like on the fence about this product. I'm like, are you on the fence about having balls? I'm right. No, I just say, I don't want to be, don't get irrationally angry. Don't give up mid conversation and hang up because they'll be like, oh, I believe we were disconnected. And they said, the only thing you can do is please put me on your do not call list and can you put me on your do not call list or don't say can you put me on your do not call list
Starting point is 00:06:31 or I don't want to get these calls which maybe I need to say those specific words please put me on your do not call list those are like the magic words that are supposed to legally like get you blocked from their list but I have a feeling that they are willfully fucking with me because I've made my intent very clear. I would really appreciate it if you put me on the do not call list. And they're just getting more aggro. They're like, don't ask us nicely. Say the magic code word.
Starting point is 00:07:02 They start calling you at three in the morning. Fuck with you. Hey, Jack, did you you wake up little biatch super producer nick stump was saying that he had a a telemarketing call that like halfway through the guy started like imitating his accent and like started like mocking him basically so through the mic you did not hear it but super producer nick stump said he was started started speaking Spanish to the person on the call. And then the person started making fun of his Spanish. Right. Wow.
Starting point is 00:07:32 Which, by the way, totally deserved. Yeah. Nick trying to pull up with his Spanish skills. I mean, come on. ¿Dónde está biblioteca? He's like, yo, this is not what that call is. When Nick speaks Spanish, he speaks in the exact same voice as the guy from the Spanish language tapes. Perdóname, ¿dónde está el biblio? Unidad tres, etapa dos.
Starting point is 00:07:57 There was this joke. Man, this is a joke for like three people who I went to high school with, but there was this Spanish language CD in class used to skip. So it would be like, Unidad Uno. E ta ta ta ta ta ta pa dos. Shout out to Danny and Ben. Sounds like a sick remix, man. E ta ta ta ta ta ta pa dos.
Starting point is 00:08:20 If you did not shout remix when that shit happened, you were not a teenager. Hit him with the horn, Snake, real quick. Remix! Wow. Double bomb drop. Committed to it. We're going to talk about something called modern monetary theory right now, which I didn't know about prior to today.
Starting point is 00:08:40 And I think that is an indicator of me not paying enough attention to the markets, economics. But yeah, so the idea, MMT is sort of this macroeconomic theory that has proponents that it's like a weird cross section. It's like AOC, Bernie, and then a lot of like bankers on Wall Street and like economic theorists, like really Street and economic theorists, really advanced economic theorists, all stand for this theory. And the idea is basically that the government can spend more than we think. And the idea that deficits lead to runaway inflation is like it happens if you have an unhealthy economy. Like it happens if you have an unhealthy economy, but if every dollar you spend is going into making your country a better place to work and produce wealth, then you should spend that dollar, basically. I think I'm getting that right.
Starting point is 00:09:45 So basically, instead of there being like a balanced ledger that we should all be aiming for when the government is spending money on government programs. And one of the things that they advocate for is full employment. Everybody who is capable of employment has a job, essentially. And so the government should invest until that happens. A lot of economic theorists look at it like, OK, well, we have to have a balanced ledger. The government is a household and so right the amount of tax dollars we take in has to equal out to the amount of dollars that's being spent by the government and mmt advocates basically say no it's actually the amount of money we spend just can't lead to runaway inflation so like just keep an eye on
Starting point is 00:10:23 inflation and that's the only thing you need to... The idea that there needs to be a balanced ledger kind of fundamentally misunderstands what the government is. Like how that spend works? Yeah, because the government is not an economic entity. The government prints its own money. That's a fundamental difference.
Starting point is 00:10:42 They can print more money if they want to. And the only thing that should stop them from printing more money is if they are worried about inflation. But otherwise, they should just be creating programs and creating money to stimulate growth. But then so at what point does the deficit actually become a bad thing? Because we just see it growing and growing. So is this saying, look, don't worry about what the bill looks like because it's being spent correctly? Yeah, basically. Well, I wonder if right now we're actually, that deficit is actually being spent in a way that's beneficial to the country, right?
Starting point is 00:11:17 The theorist Stephanie Kelton said that it's not the deficits don't matter. It's that they're not, deficits are not a sign of excessive spending or a forerunner of inflation, but they can be too big. So it's just like basically changing the yardstick that you use to judge. Like you shouldn't, once you're not like fully coming up in the black on the like government ledger, you shouldn't start panicking. It's more using inflation as the yardstick that you use to measure whether your deficit is getting too big. I should tell that to my credit card company.
Starting point is 00:11:56 They point to the last seven biggest American depressions or downturns going back 200 years were all preceded by government surpluses so basically they're saying that if the government is running a surplus then you're kind of fucking with the economy because you're not spending enough and you need to actually like spend to create a healthy society has trump advocated for this theory yet i He has not. I feel like, because, right, this is sort of kind of the way we look at it, or at least the way the government spends money is like, every dollar we give in taxes is the budget that the government has to spend money. When really they're looking at it as like, okay, what's the budget?
Starting point is 00:12:40 This is what we're going to spend. This is what we got in taxes. Here's the difference. Keep it moving. Right. And that may have been overly simplistic, budget, this is what we're going to spend, this is what we got in taxes, here's the difference, keep it moving. Right. And that may have been overly simplistic, but I think that's the thing that stuck out to me the most is this model that we, or I was used to looking at it, because I'm not an economist or economist.
Starting point is 00:12:57 Right. As it's pronounced. As it's pronounced. Among. The great magazine. But that was sort of the model. But this is that modern shit. Right. Basically, as long as there's companies and people and actors within the economy there
Starting point is 00:13:13 to absorb the government expenditure and spend the money and use it. Oh, to keep it moving rather than overwatering a plant whose cup runneth over. Then you get in inflacione. That's what you have to look out for. Yeah, that's what I thought. I was just on the phone with Paul Krugman this weekend. That's what we were talking about. What did Paul say?
Starting point is 00:13:32 Well, and that's what I told when I called Chase Bank. I was like, look, bro, this deficit I have with y'all is not an indicator of the runaway spending, actually. And I think we need to change our yardstick for how we look at this. They still hit you with those overdraft fees though huh uh yeah but you know uh give a shot i took look i told him this is all fake you know what i mean it's all it's on the ether maybe but it is true that like sometimes when you get like financial advice even on like a personal level you know you you like start thinking of that as an absolute until it it doesn't even serve you anymore like in the beginning people are like when you're starting out they're like
Starting point is 00:14:09 don't have you know don't have a debit card you know when you're really young you're like don't really do the credit card thing because you're gonna overdraft blah blah blah but then like as you get older you need to build credit and you do need to have credit cards and you just spend and pay them off and it actually makes more sense to put everything on a credit card because you get points back and you start like doing all that shit. But like it's the same thing about like moving the yardstick. It's like the rules are different once you get to a different stage. Yeah, and you just can't – just don't spend what you don't have. Right.
Starting point is 00:14:37 And that's when it gets out of control because like, yeah, like it took me so long to actually trust myself with a credit card because I could not – I was just terrible with my finances. sure uh and luckily I just stuck to that because my dad scared the shit out of me and he was like you will be you will be forever fucked if you just like have a credit card run away from you especially when I was like 22 yeah spending it on fucking weed and like yeah and when you signed up for the credit card it was because you wanted to get that like weed joke t-shirt. Right. That's what happened to me.
Starting point is 00:15:08 I'm like, well, I got a You Promise coffee mug with this. I was like, wait a minute. A Converse all-star logo, but it's Converse all high stars? It didn't even make sense. I was like, yeah, I'll get whatever you want. Whatever you need. I'll sign my soul away for that shirt. Soul, like a shoe.
Starting point is 00:15:25 All right. Herman Cain is back. You're off the podcast. I'm off the podcast and in the pocket. Yeah. Damn. He's nimble. What is something you think is overrated? Overrated.
Starting point is 00:15:42 Yeah. Oh, my God. This is really unpopular. Okay. I've never told this to anybody. Uh-oh. This is the space to do that. I don't know, you guys.
Starting point is 00:15:51 I don't know. Okay, that's fine. We'll find out. I think we're both about to find out who each other are. Queer Eye. Oh, the new Queer Eye? See what happened. What?
Starting point is 00:16:01 I mean, I haven't watched the new season. What? Jonathan Van Ness is a god. See what happened. What? I mean, I haven't watched the new season. What? No, sorry. Jonathan Van Ness is a god. You said save space. You said save space. No, to be honest, I'm like, okay. I mean, it's like any show.
Starting point is 00:16:17 Especially TV. I don't give a fuck. I'm not as militant about TV. I'm star posing. Yeah, you are. And I feel your power and I back down. What do you think about it as overrated? Okay, it's liberal porn.
Starting point is 00:16:30 Oh, gotcha. You mean in that sense? Like the first episode of the third season, right? Like they're going into like, quote unquote, back country where they're like, you know, the mindset is supposed to be conservative and like they love guns and blah, blah, blah. And then they like change her mind and everything. And it just felt like, oh, OK, if I was like a moderate liberal, then I'd be like, see, if we do, I'll just meet each other and we change each other's clothes and we change
Starting point is 00:16:55 each other's hair. It's like progressive wish fulfillment fantasy show. And I just was like, I don't know you guys. Yeah. Well, I think, yeah, I think for you being an activist too, you see a lot more nuance than simply having these like. You know what? You know where it comes from?
Starting point is 00:17:10 It's from being a feminist, Muslim, Iranian, American, bisexual comedian. Right, right, right. Dealing with liberal audiences that whenever I'm on stage, they expect that I'm going to articulate for them all of my difference. Right. Transform our relationship. Uh-huh. And then we'll all walk away, you know, empirically better humans.
Starting point is 00:17:31 That's why I came. Exactly. Change my mind. Exactly. Right. And I'm like, I would also like to talk about dicks and farts and burps and shits and tits and clits. Rank those all right now. Number one clit.
Starting point is 00:17:44 And thereafter, you feel like they're after the clapt. Rank those all right now. Number one clit. And thereafter, you feel like they're after the claptor? The like, yeah, you say it, sister. Tell us about Trump. Right. Shit like that. Right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:53 Exactly. Oh, right, where the audience congratulates themselves for laughing at a joke from someone who's different than them and means I'm actually not problematic or have problematic views. I see.
Starting point is 00:18:02 I would like narrative agency. One thing I will give, Jonathan Van Ness, on Instagram, he's been documenting how he's learning how to figure skate. Oh, for real? It's amazing. From someone who looked like, I used to play hockey, so I could tell when somebody looks very uncomfortable on skates. That was him.
Starting point is 00:18:17 And he's slowly making progress. It's almost like he's just being like, I've always wanted to be a figure skater. That's amazing. And he's kind of living his best life. Yeah. And you're not saying the people who are on the show are overrated or anything. You're just saying that maybe the overall structure and its role that it serves in people's lives is a little bit. Other than that, I love it.
Starting point is 00:18:37 Yeah, I haven't. Although they just went to Capitol Hill. And that's where I get it. I can't stop watching. Because they were with AOC. And I was like, oh, here we go. They're really being like, if you're on the left, we're all in, baby. But Jonathan Van Ness is working heels in the halls of the Capitol building.
Starting point is 00:18:54 Just got to talk to them once they'll see the errors of their ways. Joe Biden, Joseph Biden, real briefly said, sorry, you felt that way. I'm not sorry for anything ever. Yeah. He had like a public speaking thing and he kind of made a joke about it up there. And then afterwards, he for the first time faced journalists being like, hi, we have a question about these people saying you are touchy in the wrong fucking way. Oh, have you not heard about this? I've been under a rock.
Starting point is 00:19:26 Okay, good. Let me get you up to speed. Tell me. So a lot of people in the last week, or about three or four people, have come out to talk about their experiences with Joe Biden. You know, he's just a touchy dude. He's like hugging women from the back and whispering in their ear. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He does that a lot.
Starting point is 00:19:42 It's just weird. back and like whispering in their ear and people like it's just weird you know like and a lot of them were like just to be clear i'm not saying he assaulted me in any way but i was made uncomfortable by the his invasion of my personal space so he's been dealing with this like quote-unquote scandal but basically being people asking hi joe you know every there's many photos of you sort of looking like you don't give a fuck about people's personal space do you care to comment on that and first he was just like you know i i realize social norms are changing and I will do better was the first thing. But people were like, why don't you say you're sorry? I hate apologies.
Starting point is 00:20:12 Can you articulate that rather than just sort of defending yourself? I mean, like, hey, time's changing, man. The times are wrong, not me. And then so he had this moment afterwards because a lot of people like his critics and people who are even on the Democratic strategy side are saying, like, he should just like be like, yeah, look, I'm sorry. I'm invading people's space. I won't do it anymore. But he's been doing everything except that. So this is him answering a question about that.
Starting point is 00:20:36 Do you think you owe these women a direct apology who have come forward so far? Well, look, the fact of the matter is I made it clear that if I made anyone feel comfortable, I feel badly about that. That was never my intention, ever, ever, ever. But there's some women who want to hear directly, I am sorry. Are you sorry for the way that you made this woman feel? I'm sorry I didn't understand more. I'm not sorry for any of my intentions. I'm not sorry for anything that I have ever done.
Starting point is 00:21:04 I've never been disrespectful intentionally to a man or a woman. Um, I, you know, it's, that's not the reputation I had since I was in high school, for God's sake. So, uh, that's not the reputation I've had since I was in high school. Anyways. Uh, also at a speech on Friday, I believe, he hugged the guy, Lonnie Stevenson, who was introducing him. And then his opening line or one of his early in the speech, he said, I just want you to know I had permission to hug Lonnie. And the line drew applause and laughter from the crowd. Moving on. Right.
Starting point is 00:21:42 Later, during another point during his speech speech when there were children on stage he put his arm around a young boy and said by the way he gave me permission to touch him oh boy so it's like he's overdoing it yeah you know what make a point that people are like too touchy demanding you know what you know what you know I'm going to inhabit the throne and make a declarative statement as patriarch in this moment. I'm done with apologies. I'm done with apologies. I wish the left, the progressive, the intersectional body, on behalf of the intersectional body, let's stop asking for apologies. Let's stop asking for apologies. It's such a red herring. And it skews the conversation. And all of a sudden the conversation becomes about these minor missteps and intent instead of establishing new norms.
Starting point is 00:22:34 Right. And it sucks to hear this because I feel like, and given I've been under a rock, it sucks to hear all this play out because I feel like I hear him saying there are there are new norms and i and i want us to like jump on that and be like yes there are here's how it goes and here's what we do now right just being so focused on an apology exactly and instead because everyone's giving pity face and being like but are you gonna say sorry though yeah that one journalist that that of course sets him up like as a pr person like, yes, you are setting up a messaging route that is going to be like, so then now he's always going to check in to make sure it's okay. And does he need to make an apology? And is that what we're about? No, we're about action.
Starting point is 00:23:16 It's supposed to move this way. But are we typified and stereotyped as snowflakes that care all about feelings. Right. And being patronizing, which I have like an acute ear for as a woman, like that's the direction it's taking. It's sort of like we're eating the bait that they're, the crap bait that they're handing us. That's a good point.
Starting point is 00:23:38 That's a really good point that like the follow-up there would have been like, okay, describe what those new norms are. Exactly. And what are you going to do? What can other men like you who might not have been like, okay, describe what those new norms are. Exactly. And what are you going to do? What can other men like you who might not have been familiar with them, what can you do? What are some guidelines that you can follow? Let's define this. But instead it becomes-
Starting point is 00:23:56 Because the argument's like, well, I've been doing this for years. Right. I think the argument I'm making is like what you're saying about how it's less about him and more about like what's our goal here. Right. In terms of movement. If we're making this a moment for people to be focused on. What are we focusing on? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:14 And he did say that in his video thing about saying like, and I realized that that's not cool and I'll be very careful to not be considerate of people's personal space going forward or whatever. So, I mean, he articulated that, but I think it's when he gets defensive about it, then you almost feel like, but are you really embracing what you're saying in that sense? I mean, I imagine he has to be careful. I don't want to turn into an apologist, but I wonder how much he has to be cautious as a public figure, as a person on committees who also has to be aware of what he opens himself up to in terms of a legal battle. And it like, you know, we can't assume that there are all good people, you know, like people will like that's tricky.
Starting point is 00:24:56 That's careful space that has to be. I don't know. Does that make sense? Wait, what do you mean? What did you mean by in terms of like legality? Does that make sense? Wait, what do you mean? What did you mean by in terms of legality?
Starting point is 00:25:13 There's a language that if he opens himself up to, then isn't that then a slippery slope? Because he's articulated some kind of apology that could be construed as an admission of guilt or something. Exactly. And then people who are not cool could jump in on that and then create a real problem. Right. Well, I think, again, no one has actually ever accused him of anything criminal. Oh, I see. So that's where it's like, yeah. And I think most people saw like even what he was doing is like,
Starting point is 00:25:34 you're just doing that shit where you don't get that like motherfuckers don't want it to be fucking, you know, rub noses and shit. Got it. And do stuff like that. And that's like not a single person said it was a salter anyway. They're just like, yeah,
Starting point is 00:25:48 he's got a problem with personal space. There was a journalist at the Washington Post like, yeah, he fucking grabbed me by the shoulders
Starting point is 00:25:52 and like put his face up against mine and was like, I didn't like it. Yeah. I kind of dig that. I dig that conversation. I dig the conversation
Starting point is 00:25:58 that's like, hey Biden, you're a close talker. It's really obnoxious. Right, and that's what it's turning into and I think, but then it's starting
Starting point is 00:26:04 to play out of sort of like, well, what's wrong with close talking? Right. Everything. Yeah, and it's really right and that's what it's turning into and i think but then it's starting to play out of sort of like what's wrong with close talking right everything yeah and it's like that's that's why that stuff is so hard to articulate to men without like it getting super awkward right and i think for him if he apologizes in his mind or something he's admitting to doing something far worse probably probably the thing that i was worried about right right but i mean i don't know. Can you give an example? Like when you say that sort of thing is so hard to articulate to men, like what do you mean by that? Well, okay. So for example, for example, there like there was a guy that I used to interview with and
Starting point is 00:26:37 like his favorite thing was to like greet me, take my hand, kiss me on both cheeks. Okay. And put his arm around my shoulder and pull me in and i hated it right but like i he was clearly making an attempt to like you know work with whatever insecurity that he has around like social like being social with a woman and come over here and these things were making him feel powerful somehow yeah so that he was like appear with me yeah and like but i didn't like any of it but the easier thing to do is to just like smile and be like yeah okay and we'll sit down you know it's much harder to be like don't you don't kiss me on the cheek man because then like you have a whole big conversation that's like well what do
Starting point is 00:27:22 you mean i didn't mean anything by it you know and it like immediately escalates yeah rather than yeah so then at least when you know you have like a biden conversation like this you can de-escalate it somehow and be like look it's just one of those kinds of moments where it's like you're you're being a close talker right now i don't love it so much it's like you know i don't like that a lot i don't like that a whole lot like and it's like it's so difficult to articulate because it's you know amy schumer made that joke about grape right like there's that gray area oh that there's like different micro aggressive versions of sexual assault just as there are you know like and how do you have those conversations without it escalating into like super awkwardness right because and then take
Starting point is 00:28:12 care of the women who are actually articulating them because the whole reason why we put up with them is to not have those conversations so we can remain a peer right shit yeah well i think yeah i think because again even like joe, the defensiveness is like, I think I'm being accused of something like way worse than what it is when it's not just sort of being seen as just a practical matter of personal space that like people are sort of, I don't know. It seems the way the response has been from even the people who defend him, they act like he's being accused of something much greater than what it is.
Starting point is 00:28:44 Right. And even then there's no nuance in their their mind about what a discussion of personal space is. Yeah. It's like, is it a violation of personal space, or is it some just terrible transgression? Right. And I think people aren't able to sort of parse through that, or at least his defenders aren't, because they really are going to bat for him like he's been accused of like being a serial molester or something like that how do you guys navigate
Starting point is 00:29:08 that kind of space i i mean as i move more of my like professional life i don't i i read whatever the person is giving me so if someone comes up to me that i'm meeting for the first time if they open their arms for like to like they're a hugger or something then you dive onto the ground then I'll do that oh oh no no I start coughing uncontrollably or but usually I just offer a hand like a handshake because I just keep it like that and I'm not I'm I'm also personally like I'm just I don't want to make other people feel uncomfortable and I also don't have like a desire to just be hugging people all the time either so i'm fine i'm just like hey good but i'm also very open to you know hearing anything about like you know my own privilege as a man or whatever understanding like oh yeah i i also know being a man you don't hear shit like
Starting point is 00:29:58 that a lot of time for the precise reason you're talking about it because people would rather not have that discussion but i try and be as open as possible because I don't want to be the type of dude who someone can bring that up to. And I'm like, well, what the fuck are you talking about? Right. I mean, there's no need for me to be defensive because at a base level, I'm like, you know, there's always shit to learn. There's always shit I'm not perceiving.
Starting point is 00:30:18 There's always shit I haven't learned. I'm here to learn. And I don't know what to do with my hands when I'm not interacting with people. So I'm not going to fuck with trying to do shit with my hands. Yeah, people see you, they're like, okay, thank you. A lot of sweat. Sir?
Starting point is 00:30:35 Sir? All right, we're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back. Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16th, 2017, was murdered. There are crooks everywhere you look now. The situation is desperate. My name is Manuel Delia.
Starting point is 00:31:00 I am one of the hosts of Crooks Everywhere, a podcast that unhurts the plot to murder a one-woman Wikileaks. Daphne exposed the culture of crime and corruption that were turning her beloved country into a mafia state. And she paid the ultimate price. Listen to Crooks Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradente. And I'm Jemay Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk
Starting point is 00:31:38 Offline, a new podcast from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. When you're just starting out in your career, you have a lot of questions. Like, how do I speak up when I'm feeling overwhelmed? Or, can I negotiate a higher salary if this is my first real job? Girl, yes. Each week, we answer your unfiltered work questions. Think of us as your work besties
Starting point is 00:32:00 you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in experts who do. Like resume specialist Morgan Saner. The only difference between the person who doesn't get the job and the person who gets the job is usually who applies.
Starting point is 00:32:12 Yeah, I think a lot about that quote. What is it, like you miss 100% of the shots you never take? Yeah, rejection is scary, but it's better than you rejecting yourself. Together, we'll share what it really takes to thrive in the early years of your career. Without sacrificing your sanity or sleep.
Starting point is 00:32:29 Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, fam. I'm Simone Boyce. I'm Danielle Robay. And we're the hosts of The Bright Side, the daily podcast from Hello Sunshine that is guaranteed to light up your day. Every weekday, we bring you conversations with the culture makers who inspire us. Like our recent episode with Grammy award winning rapper Eve on her new memoir and the moments that made her. It became a theme in my life, the underdog syndrome of being questioned of the would they say this to a man? No, they would not. Like why? That was one of those moments where you're just like, oh wow. It was a bit shocking,
Starting point is 00:33:11 but it didn't take any steam away or anything like that. If anything, it was more of the, okay, I'll show you. No worries. Listen to The Bright Side from Hello Sunshine on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Carrie Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports, where we live at the intersection of sports and culture. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry, Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. I know I'll go down in history.
Starting point is 00:33:43 People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Every great player needs a foil. I ain't really near them. Why is that? Just come here and play basketball every single day and that's what I focus on. From college to the pros, Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Angel Reese is a joy to watch.
Starting point is 00:34:01 She is unapologetically black. I love her. What exactly ignited this fire? Why has it been so good for the game? And can the fanfare surrounding these two supernovas be sustained? This game is only going to get better because the talent is getting better.
Starting point is 00:34:16 This new season will cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. And we're back. The first thing I thought when I heard about trampoline parks is, well, that can't possibly be what I think it is.
Starting point is 00:34:42 And then I found out that it is. It's just a big old park with another bunch of trampolines. Just a big warehouse with another bunch of trampolines. Trampolines on the walls, trampolines on the floor, foam pits. I was like, they must have figured something out. They must have some netting somewhere that other regular trampolines don't have. And it turns out, no. No.
Starting point is 00:35:01 They just have really good waivers that they make people sign right because they have been just maiming people for days and days well yeah there's a whole report right so richard blumenthal uh the senator has been like pushing this thing called the fair act where he's trying to get rid of like forced arbitration for consumer cases so in these trampoline death traps you go to they make you sign the waiver to be like look if you fuck yourself up on these trampolines trying to do backflips that you know you shouldn't be doing oh you can't sue us or and if it does it'll go into an arbitration and you have no other recourse legally right and so this came up in this context because he noticed that not only
Starting point is 00:35:39 has like we went from i think 40 parks trampoline parks in 2011 to over 800 now in this year and none of them are being regulated there's no oversight and they're getting away with people just signing this shit and it's obscuring things like there have been 6 deaths since 2012 there have been a number of severe injuries like including broken
Starting point is 00:35:59 necks, broken ankles common things are like I like how I was on broken ankle open fractured elbows open tib and fib fractures so when we say open are they talking about bust through the skin
Starting point is 00:36:12 yeah yeah compounds I would say compound there's like a there's like a real word for that yeah it's the nast shit ASAP nast
Starting point is 00:36:19 so this is you know it's becoming a thing and so he was just sort of saying I think we need to actually begin to turn our focus to this because there are people getting hurt. They have no they can't have their day in court. Right.
Starting point is 00:36:31 All because we found, you know, we've created a system where people would be like, oh, you signed the waiver. Sorry. Like, I know we created an environment for you to possibly kill yourself in. But that was on you. Yo. I mean, also, though, and I've certainly done it myself right like you need to read what you're signing oh yeah and i never do i i usually do like i'm the annoying person i'm like can i have a minute and i will read through and i'll scan through for stuff and like
Starting point is 00:36:56 i absolutely like pushed things back and been like i'm not gonna sign that right you're like redlining it yeah i've done that before too and then people are like i'm like no and they're like well do you still want to participate and i'm like well i'm not gonna sign sign that. Right. You're like redlining it. Yeah. I've done that before too. And then people are like, I'm like, no. And they're like, well, do you still want to participate? And I'm like, well, I'm not going to sign that. And I've had people let me do it and I've not signed it. Really? Because they want my money. Right.
Starting point is 00:37:13 So challenge them. Yeah. That'd be fun. Wow. Or just like cross things out, initial next to it, then sign. Yeah. Like when, I mean, I was in Cabo and I went parasailing and it was all this gnarly stuff that's basically like, if you, like if you drop into the ocean like yeah you're gone like we
Starting point is 00:37:28 don't care and I was like bro this is like you don't even have an office this is a tent and a table on a beach right you're like using a rubbing pencil to take my credit card number right now I'm absolutely not signing that way right right and he was like okay no problem I was like yeah as I thought I'm like I'm gonna sue the shit out of you if you draw me in the ocean. I'm reading this. It says, in the event of serious injury or death, dot, dot, dot, shrug? Yeah, yeah. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:37:54 There's just a stage direction there. Yeah, man. You put the laughing emoji with the tears. Oh, God. But that is wild that it comes institutionalized, right? Yeah. But that is wild that like it comes institutionalized, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:10 Where like you've waived away your rights to be compensated for injury that is not your fault. Right. Faulty equipment. Exactly, yeah. Like somebody has jumped 9,000 times in that one corner and you happen to be the 9,001 time that broke it. The stories of one – like so CBS when they first heard about it, they sent an investigator – like a reporter to just kind of look into what the hell was going on. And they said that literally an hour before this journalist got there, someone had just completely busted their knees or something an hour before she got there. They said, Jason Freewalt, a healthy young dad and former college football player. He said he could finally find the words to explain the pain of jumping into a foam pit.
Starting point is 00:38:46 I can't describe it. I blew my knees out. Jesus. Also, you a grown ass man. Why the hell are you jumping into a foam pit? Well, that's the other half of it. Like, read what you're signing, but also you're not built like that anymore. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:59 Be real. Because like that foam pit's probably not built for a body weighing however many pounds like with the downward force coming through. But anyway, but that's the problem. If I see that, my child mind activates and I'm like, oh yeah, I can wild the fuck out in here because it's soft everywhere. Right. And then cut to me in the chair being like.
Starting point is 00:39:18 And how dumb would you feel if you blew your knees? Both of them out. Yeah, you would have to come up with a new story. Right. Yeah. Anybody who tells you a badass story about why they're on crutches, the truth is they
Starting point is 00:39:29 fucked themselves up at a trampoline park. I'm also very, very clumsy. I literally, I have broken bones just standing where things have happened to me. Broke my finger walking from my living room to the kitchen holding a plate. Somehow managed to throw the plate up and it went to catch it and landed on my finger. I fell and it broke my finger walking from my living room to the kitchen holding a plate. Somehow managed to throw the plate up. It went to catch it.
Starting point is 00:39:45 It landed on my finger. I fell and it broke my finger. Right. Like. Yeah. I've never. If it's to be broken, I will break it. So we'll keep you away from the trampoline.
Starting point is 00:39:52 Yeah, yeah. No, I will never do that. No, no, no. And we won't do the knife juggling section. Parastealing alone is like the biggest risk I've ever taken. Also, Zeitgang, tell me if you work at a place where you force people to, not force, but you have customers sign a waiver before. And tell me if you work in a death pit or force people to not force but you have customers sign a waiver before and tell me if you work in a death pit or a death trap because i feel like we were talking where
Starting point is 00:40:09 else could this happen like a go-kart track yeah there's a lot of like go-kart yeah mini golf oh yeah don't you sign a waiver i don't know how you mini golf but damn and at driving ranges yeah because motherfuckers driving ranges for sure right there's a lot of shit that like little kids do like their gyms like they're like their gyms. Water slides. Their gymnastics gyms. Right. Yeah, water slides for sure. And I just think I always assumed- Because there's waivers baked into things when you just use your credit card, too, even though if you're not signing it, it'll be like, check this box to agree.
Starting point is 00:40:33 I think I just always assumed that, oh, they have it figured out. Right. Somehow. Trusting. Yeah. All they've done is like, well, if they sign the paper, we're good, baby. Right. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:40:42 Welcome to Knife Island. And who's handing you that paper? It's like a pimply-faced teen that's like, will you sign this, we're good right exactly welcome to knife island who's handing you that paper it's like a pimply face teen that's like oh man i am so like i spent a lot of time on a trampoline as a kid i never once did a flip he's white of course he didn't never did a flip i've never dove into a pool i like you've never dove into a pool in your life i like won't go upside down i'm like oh my god i love this i'm so careful we gotta do a documentary trying to learn how to dive into a pool cautious jack yeah cautious the bubble boy yeah and i've noticed my oldest kid like is very careful like yeah he just like when he's walking down the steps
Starting point is 00:41:25 he'll take like three like tests to go down i'm like and he's just sobbing that's adorable don't hurt yourself boy don't hurt yourself we're cowards that's how we got this far the o'brien men are cowards there's a war on we will run the other direction for the brave to kill each other and reap to sweep it up right after. Just play dead. All right. Son, I need you to sit still and do not participate. Am I supposed to tell you how to go full fetal in a fist fight? You pull somebody else's body on top of yours.
Starting point is 00:42:00 I wanted to talk real quick, Miles, about this article that you brought to my attention. Everyone's attention. Yeah. A lot of people were talking about this a few days back uh the the quote is or i think i think maybe the title of the thing is i've been hiring people for 10 years and i still swear by a simple rule if someone doesn't send a thank you email don't hire them okay interesting so the responses to this were varied but all pretty much like what the fuck are you talking about do we google this person do we know what they look like jessica liebman this is what she looks like that that's her quote that's her quote she so she is the man like she does like
Starting point is 00:42:39 the hiring at insider inc so business insider and all their other brands. So she's the person, she's the gatekeeper for this company. And her litmus test is, did you thank me? Is she from the South? I don't know. Is she Canadian? Right. I know you're trying to find a reason here. Yeah, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:42:59 It's very, I have never, ever considered that. It has nothing to do with like how talented or good somebody's gonna be at the job but so the thing she says is it only has to do with how eager they are to get the job but is that the best quality because to me if you're too thirsty it's like dating right right like just
Starting point is 00:43:18 because the dude or the lady that you're dating is like oh since that follow-up text and then it's like how it can be like too much then it's like how it's it can be like too much but it's like well okay you can also send 19 thank you letters in a week right that means the only thing you're good at is snowing you know what i mean and sending letters and i'm not to undermine the gesture of a thing you know right i think it's really great but i listen like i've worked for a long time and i've been in situations where I am absolutely a manager and I'm in a hiring position.
Starting point is 00:43:47 I've hired several people in my life and I've gotten thank you notes and I've not gotten thank you notes. And in my personal experience, the people who are writing thank you notes are the most desperate people and people who have done poorly in the interview. Right. And they're using this as an opportunity to reiterate where they felt like they have gone wrong right just be like if i could actually do this written yeah yeah like or they're just such there's also a level of almost they're assuming they're gonna get a job right like where they're like oh i can't wait to work forward with you i can't i look forward to working with you every single day and like here's a note where i'm just like hey bitch right i haven't even decided if i like you yet like thank you but let's just keep it easy well a lot of the
Starting point is 00:44:28 people in the responses were like oh so do you actually thank every person who's applied for your job too yeah right like you do that yeah like what's good uh do you think like other people like why would you treat these people like children or it's just like there are way too many things involved you know her her reasoning is that like, it just helps put somebody in the good apple pile, right? He's like, if anything, they might test you out. She likes to have her ass kissed. Yeah, of course.
Starting point is 00:44:51 That's a very self-serving boss. That's somebody I don't want to work for. She specifically says, at Insider Inc., we look to hire good eggs. Good eggs, that's what it was. What does that mean? It's like coded language. Yeah, that line like gave me goosebumps because it's like that weird, bullshitty HR lingo where they're just basically trying to find a way around
Starting point is 00:45:13 saying that it's completely subjective and it's whoever I seem to like. So they're like, so we group people into good eggs and bad eggs. Good eggs and brown people. Yeah, whatever it is. I don't mean to cast aspersions of whatever the fuck their hiring practices are. I do.
Starting point is 00:45:30 I'm just kidding. We don't know. I don't care. They ain't gonna hire me. I'm saying. I don't need a job. I'll pull up. Okay, Ms. Liebman.
Starting point is 00:45:37 Listen, not everybody has stationary bitch just hanging around waiting to put stamps on it. Yeah. Some of us are out here interviewing and going to the job we already have.
Starting point is 00:45:46 We don't have time to send you a thank you letter. I think to me, like, you know, there have been other people. I remember in the Harvard Business Review, someone wrote like they don't hire people if their grammar's bad because that's more of an indicator to them of some, like if the job is having to do with writing, they're like, if you don't know two and two,
Starting point is 00:46:02 I'm sorry, you're a bad egg. And I get like if there's something more specific, but if it's just something as general as like, if you don't know two and two, I'm sorry. That's valid. You're a bad egg. Right. And I get like if there's something more specific, but if it's just something as general as like, you didn't massage my ego. That's my problem. Exactly. And I'm not sure what objectively it like, okay, great. That person is polite. Right.
Starting point is 00:46:18 But that's not always the thing you're looking for. And again, you don't know what the other person is going through to assume that just because they didn't thank you means like, oh, they're going to be fucked up. Yeah. They're not going to know how to say thank you ever. They didn't even thank me for this interview. Right. And her reasoning is sort of like, you know, I've noticed the people who like don't say
Starting point is 00:46:34 thank you. They'll maybe accept the offer, but then pull out and then leave us in the lurch and just sort of like using like past. I feel like she's had some very specific things happen to her that she is like put into these buckets and been like, these are my new rules. Right. And who knows how much her interaction with people after they don't send a thank you note is coloring whether they end up taking the job. She's like, hmm.
Starting point is 00:46:57 Well, honestly, she's prejudiced. She's absolutely putting, which is kind of against all HR rules for hiring. Exactly. absolutely putting which is kind of like against all hr rules for hiring exactly you're supposed to consider each candidate on the merit of their skills and juxtapose that against the like job description that you have posted and pick the right person so someone from business insider was asked actually specifically about the ethnicity or the the breakdown of their their newsroom and it says thank you for the question with respect to race and ethnicity 28 of our teammates identified themselves as people of color three years ago this percentage was 20 within our newsrooms 30 of staff identify as people of color up from 25 three years ago getting there well that's hey i mean i've worked
Starting point is 00:47:35 in places where i was like 100 like it me yeah yeah and they're like he's next he counts as two that's good yeah he can take the black box. Count him as an Asian and a black person. Good. He's rare. He's like a Benetton ad. Mia, what is something you think is overrated? Okay, I think shaving your legs is overrated. Okay.
Starting point is 00:47:55 I'm over it. It makes your legs so dry. You have to moisturize so much. You have to do it every day. I'm just bored. I'm done. Okay. But what if I underrated?
Starting point is 00:48:04 Definitely conflicts with that in that I think it's underrated to shave your whole face. Your whole face? I recently started shaving my whole face. Okay. And it feels so good. Oh, really? It's so smooth.
Starting point is 00:48:15 I have to use half as much lotion because it's not getting stuck on the hair. It's so gratifying to just watch the peach fuzz fall off. Oh, wow. I love it. I'm a big fan. Is it an urban myth like you're not supposed to shave your peach fuzz fall off. Oh, wow. I love it. I'm a big fan. Are there like, is it an urban myth like you're not supposed to shave your peach fuzz
Starting point is 00:48:27 or it comes back stronger than ever? As like thick whiskers. I think what the truth is in that is that cutting it gives it a blunt edge, but once you've ever cut it, I think that's true.
Starting point is 00:48:36 Right. And I'm sure I've... Who knows? I'm sure some peach fuzz person knows the truth. Truthers. Yeah. And you're like a...
Starting point is 00:48:43 You're stripping your hair, you're stripping your face of protective layers. It's probably bad, but it feels good. You're like a... You're stripping your hair or you're stripping your face of protective layers. It's probably bad, but it feels good. You're like a light complected person though, so you don't have to worry about that peach fuzz coming back as thick black hair is coming out from your under eyelids or whatever.
Starting point is 00:48:56 I will say getting older, the mustache is darkening. It is. It's getting thicker. So another reason why shaving my whole face is kind of a fun thing for me now. We'll see how long it lasts many times I shave I still get this like weird patchy
Starting point is 00:49:07 Johnny Depp hair yeah I blame my Japanese side for that but hey cause on my dad's side motherfuckers are rocking beards yeah maybe as you get older
Starting point is 00:49:15 they'll get thicker I don't know I'm like 34 and I have like the I have a preteen like beard face you know what I mean like Keanu Reeves
Starting point is 00:49:23 I know but you know what fine you know what? Fine. You know, I'll look young forever. Yeah, that's definitely not a bad thing.
Starting point is 00:49:29 Trust me. Yeah, but you know what, Jack? You have beard privilege. I do have beard privilege. I look all the time. There's a certain point,
Starting point is 00:49:35 if it grows in evenly, you can rock it and still kind of like, oh, that's rugged. There have been times people have literally asked me if I was okay.
Starting point is 00:49:42 That's so mean. But not even like in a shitty way. That makes it worse. In college, they're like, are you getting a vitamin? Is everything okay? Because they think that you had a full beard and pieces of it are falling out from radiation poisoning. Yo, there was a time, oh my God, I did Movember a few years ago.
Starting point is 00:50:00 And that was such a fucking nightmare. People just laughed when I worked at Power 106. People were growing like real beards and shit. I came in, people were like. You could just do what Karamo did in the first season of Queer Eye and paint it on.
Starting point is 00:50:13 Oh, damn. You notice that? I know, yeah. It's gone now. Yeah, I know. I like that it's gone now. So just to make it clear to everyone, you are not saying shave your whole face,
Starting point is 00:50:22 including eyebrows. I leave my eyebrows, but you don't have to. Fuck it. Have some fun. It is an aggressive look. Go nuts. Oh, to go eyebrowless?
Starting point is 00:50:30 Sure. Hey, Whoopi's been rocking that. I know. That guy from fucking No Ho Hank on Barry, you guys watch that? He makes it look good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I kind of want to shave him. Oh, wow.
Starting point is 00:50:39 We'll see. Yeah. I'll get there. Next time I'm on. Just do some makeup first. Do some Photoshop. Yeah, exactly. Test drive it like that. See what it looks like. All right. We're going to take a quick break. We'll get there. Next time I'm on, that's what I'll do. Just use some mega first, use some Photoshop. Yeah, exactly. Test drive it like that.
Starting point is 00:50:45 See what it looks like. All right, we're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back. Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16th, 2017 was murdered. There are crooks everywhere you look now. The situation is desperate. My name is Manuel Delia. I am one of the hosts of Crooks Everywhere, a podcast that unhurts the plot to murder a one-woman Wikileaks.
Starting point is 00:51:16 Daphne exposed the culture of crime and corruption that were turning her beloved country into a mafia state. And she paid the ultimate price. Listen to Crooks everywhere on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Gianna Pardenti. And I'm Jemay Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline, a new podcast from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts.
Starting point is 00:51:52 When you're just starting out in your career, you have a lot of questions. Like, how do I speak up when I'm feeling overwhelmed? Or, can I negotiate a higher salary if this is my first real job? Girl, yes. Each week, we answer your unfiltered work questions. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know
Starting point is 00:52:12 the answer, we bring in experts who do, like resume specialist Morgan Saner. The only difference between the person who doesn't get the job and the person who gets the job is usually who applies. Yeah, I think a lot about that quote. What is it? Like you miss a hundred percent of the shots you never take. Yeah. Rejection is scary, but it's better than you rejecting yourself. Together, we'll share what it really takes to thrive in the early years of your career without sacrificing your sanity or sleep. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. inspire us. Like our recent episode with Grammy award-winning rapper Eve on her new memoir and the moments that made her. It became a theme in my life, the underdog syndrome of being questioned of the, would they say this to a man? No, they would not. Like why? That was one of those moments
Starting point is 00:53:18 where you're just like, oh wow. It was a bit shocking, but it didn't take any steam away or anything like that. If anything, it was more of the, okay, I'll show you. No worries. Listen to The Bright Side from Hello Sunshine on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports, where we live at the intersection of sports and culture. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry, Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese.
Starting point is 00:53:52 I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Every great player needs a foil. I ain't really near them boys. I just come here to play basketball every single day, and that's what I focus on. From college to the pros, Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Angel Reese is a joy to watch. She is unapologetically black. I love her. What exactly ignited this fire?
Starting point is 00:54:16 Why has it been so good for the game? And can the fanfare surrounding these two supernovas be sustained? This game is only going to get better because the talent is getting better. This new season will cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:54:35 The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. And we're back. Alright, so I do want to talk about the black hole because i find what i think there's something dead inside me guys i it looks like did it change you a really terrible photograph i took of the eclipse back when that happened or like when i would be like whoa the moon looks so cool when i was drunk and then like i would look at the picture in the next day that I took of the moon. It's just like a blurry little tiny thing.
Starting point is 00:55:10 So no part of you is impressed that we have the first ever photo of a black hole? I don't know. Why am I not? What is wrong with me? I feel the same way. You're a broken man. Broken human being. I'm the same way.
Starting point is 00:55:18 And I looked at it and I went, whatever. So quickly. And I feel terrible because I understand intellectually that the black hole is one of the greatest mysteries in space. And we have found, we have come to a moment where we have collaboratively aimed all of our telescopes at this shit and gotten our first image of this thing. And my first reaction is like, yo, that looks like an out of focus picture of Sauron's eye. Yeah, that's exactly. Yeah. Or some shit. That's exactly. Yeah, you would know.
Starting point is 00:55:47 You guys are both clearly on the fucking dark side here. Yeah, right? We would. It's like calling me. It's like, nothing. That's why you look down and you're like, yeah, what's up? That's my homie. I know this.
Starting point is 00:55:55 Oh, this doesn't visit you in your dreams too? So Robert Evans, host of Behind the Bastards, was in the office this morning and he said it filled him with wonder. Super producer Nick Stumpf agreed. Yeah, it fills you with wonder as well? I wouldn't say it fills me with wonder. I just was like, tight. Moved on with my life.
Starting point is 00:56:10 It's pretty tight. I'm honestly already annoyed because of the meme treatment. I feel like we can't have any cool news without me just seeing it too many times and then hating it. So the first place Robert saw it was apparently within 31 minutes of it being discovered. It was on Goatsy, on the butthole part of Goatsy. being discovered, it was on Goetze, on the butthole part
Starting point is 00:56:27 of Goetze. I'm sure it was. Really creative meme work. Yeah. And just dogged meme work. They're just like ready. Do they have a template? They have a template. Yeah, they just drop any circular...
Starting point is 00:56:43 Yeah, for the meme makers union but I like people have said that we've been ruined by movies because we're not impressed by it but I feel like
Starting point is 00:56:52 we've actually been ruined by science because they've been showing us like amazing images of what black holes might look like
Starting point is 00:56:59 I guess so illustrators yeah like illustrators they're too good they're fucking it up for us they're too imagin. They're fucking it up for us. They're too imaginative.
Starting point is 00:57:08 So the thing that kind of made me come around on it, the glowy part is basically the place where all the, they're using radio telescopes. You're even losing your seat. So wait, how did they take the picture? Because my understanding is a black hole
Starting point is 00:57:29 sucks everything in, right? Right. So how did they not suck in their camera? Far enough away? Yeah, it was far.
Starting point is 00:57:35 I've looked nothing up about this. I just saw it as Shrek's eyes and I was like, yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, great black hole,
Starting point is 00:57:40 moving on. So the story of how they did it is actually cooler than the image to me. It was a woman, right? It was, woman, right? They said 120 different scientists working in a concert.
Starting point is 00:57:50 So definitely a woman involved there to get all those people to work together, I'm sure. I'm sure that was sexist in some way, I apologize. Using radio telescopes from all over the world, they basically and they synced is the equivalent of looking at something like a line
Starting point is 00:58:29 drawn with a mechanical pencil in Los Angeles from New York is like how hard it was to find this thing. All right, I'm back. Now I like it. I needed the context to understand the impressiveness of it. Yeah, so this black hole is different.
Starting point is 00:58:46 Most black holes are the size of the city of Chicago at most. This black hole is the size of the Earth's orbit, and it's in the center of a galaxy. So that's why they're able to even think about seeing it. But the nearest black hole to Earth would be like being able to see a molecule through a telescope in los angeles from new york so it's we're not there yet but the right we are able to see the fucking mechanical pencil line all right my bad science yeah you did it i'm just scared of it i don't if this is how quickly we're able to break uncharted terrain like what am i gonna see before I die?
Starting point is 00:59:25 And do I want to see it? In a way, I kind of feel like ignorance is bliss when it comes to space stuff. It's very scary. Yeah. Hey, if we're lucky, we might see the world end. Oh, God. If we're lucky. Through a telescope from New York.
Starting point is 00:59:38 Oh, shit. Yeah, but, right? Isn't that a thing where you can, like, see, I guess you see the past of other galaxies, not our own. Yeah, I saw interstellar. So like if you think about it though, like love is the one thing that transcends both time and space. All right, that's going to do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist. Please like and review the show if you like the show.
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