The Daily Zeitgeist - WeekTrenders 7/10: Threads, OpenAI, Clarence Thomas, Sound Of Freedom, Ron DeSantis, Mel Gibson

Episode Date: July 10, 2023

In this edition of WeekTrenders, Jack and Miles discuss Threads hitting 100 million users over the weekend, OpenAI getting sued by Sarah Silverman for copyright infringement, Clarence Thomas' ethics mess getting even messier, a box office update, Ron DeSantis being "a weird guy" with voters, and Mel Gibson and Trump hanging out at the octagon!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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get your podcast presented by elf beauty founding partner of iheart women's sports hello the internet and welcome to this monday week trending episode of yeah i'm jack o'Brien. That is Mr. Miles Gray. How are you doing? I'm good, baby. It was nice to see you and everybody in person.

We were in Las Vegas over the weekend at NBA summer league, NBA con shutout step in. And I believe Allie was your partner who you pulled up to. Yeah. Pulled up at the NBA. We're like, Oh, okay,

sir. Good to see you anyway. like oh okay sir good to see you anyway yeah it's good to see people out there it's good to be in las vegas it's nice to feel that desert heat on my already very dry skin oh man i have my lips are fucked up my already my i lost sleep from my lips being like cracking in my sleep when i got back i was like what the fuck is this book i'm like oh your wife's like hey stop licking your lips like a baby put some chapstick on that's what her majesty kept saying to me it's like stop licking your lips and just go put some whatever on i'm like i don't know why i was being i've never needed chap but i think i need it now yeah yeah anyway yeah there were parts of my skin that had that like white webby,

like, you know, ashiness over it. Oh yeah. Yeah. You don't want that anyway. That's not what this show is about. Well,

what this show is about is, uh, first off, let's, let's give some overrated, underrated. You want to kick off? You want me to kick off?

Overrated? Yes. Victor Wemben Yama. I saw that first game. We saw that first game. Man, this guy stinks! This guy stinks! He only had five blocks in that first game.

Like I said, you'll hear me say this many other places. I was expecting at least 15. I'm putting out his second performance. Yeah, I'm putting out his second performance where he had a fantastic game with 27 points. Out of my mind, I'm just going off of just being a pure reactionary American sports fan who just does not really consider all the dynamics at work. Yes.

This is the 7'4 Frenchman who came over, number one pick in the NBA draft. The guy can't shoot, Jack. He did not. This is the 7'4 Frenchman who came over, number one pick in the NBA draft. Yeah. Looks like... The guy can't shoot, Jack. He did not shoot well in his first game. I felt bad. And I mean, I'm kind of joking here, but it was kind of fucked up to watch him. It is wild. He walks into this arena, everyone just stops talking.

I've never quite seen something like that. Usually in sports sports people get like they're screaming this was like oh shit what the fuck there he is it's him and he just seems like an 18 year old kid like he just genuinely seems like a child yeah um who is seven foot whatever who is just getting uh getting used to being seven foot four uh yeah and shout out to him too he was like yeah i'm probably gonna you probably won't see me do anything in the media for the next couple months like until the season starts because yeah i just need to focus smart all right what related to that same game that we went to and just a number

of the nba events uh free t-shirts i think are overrated because man people we saw adele have fun with the t-shirt cannon there's something there's something electric about a t-shirt cannon that that gets you excited to be yeah you know for the for the possibility of having something shot at you i think we just need to like put the t-shirt can into better use because like people will go wild for anything coming out of that free t-shirts oh yeah i've never caught the free t-shirt i've been given free t-shirts or like gotten free t-shirts at like events where they were like giving them out yeah they're never like prime rotation t-shirt they're not t-shirts but people will go wild for them you're basically getting a wearable poster yes like for a event that is not fashionable you're wearing a marketing

item but it's the sheer fact that it's free and i think what it does is like i think it like maybe kind of recreates our like obsession with the lottery of like here's this cool thing that will be shot out into the like world and if you're the lucky one and you catch hold of it you're the winner and everything could change because that's the energy people have when they're fucking like diving over each other for a free t-shirt that has a bunch of kia sponsoring and blazing on it and the power that you see on the faces of the like arena employees who come through with even the ones who are just like throwing the free t-shirts into the crowd yeah they're like pointing at people then like waving them off there is a there is a power there that feels i don't like it unprecedented i feel like those

people are peaking in that moment oh they're just gonna be trying to you know what it activates in me that moment it activates my toxic like oh you're a tough guy huh kind of thing i'm like also you think you got it like that because you're throwing the t-shirts out because i know you're talking about when they were there was one dude who when the t-shirt people came out my man thought he was fucking dr manhattan or some shit like i don't know what the fuck he like i could even i could feel his cockiness from the nosebleeds and i was like no i'm not having this yeah i think i was also just jealous more acutely aware of it and jealous because we were pretty high up we were general admission got there a little late and uh we're like can you get him up here he's like sorry i don't have the arm of a god like

fuck you you want this shirt anyway you sure seem to think you do and then he throws it to a kid down below and i'm like oh what a cop out so obvious um yeah i don't know most unfair group like on one hand it seems a little bit uh patronizing but i i do feel like if they were giving out like government benefits in this way and just like coming out with like some loud music and then like kind of running through the crowd and like pointing pointing to people yeah uh you know the you'd see the government's popularity go through the roof um yeah that's true um just launch it out of a t-shirt cannon or something yeah pneumatic cannons for everything pneumatic cannon cannons i think the pneumatic is really like the showstopper that anything pneumatic is just feels like like and even like i remember do you remember that mtv show beach blast that was

like that fucking obstacle course show no there was an air i just remember being obsessed with this pneumatic air ramp they had that would just launch people fucking just yeah feet up in the air and i was like oh like the lost art of pneumatics like yeah they used to be a feature at the bank that was like a reason to go with your parents to the bank to like watch the pneumatic tube um well like i don't know we we've lost that uh wait what was it called sand beach blast or maybe it was sand blast whatever fuck that show was so good um i can't help me know what it was yeah give us some ideas if you've seen anybody distribute something via pneumatics uh the or if it's still happening somewhere sandblast that's what it was called sandblast sounds yeah that's a good 1994 to 96 god what

the fuck was i 10 to 12 anyway well my underrated is kind of on the same subject that we're already talking about. And sandblast is appropriate because I think my underrated is Las Vegas. Oh, he's my first time like being in Las Vegas and not being like mostly drunk for most of the time. And it is. And also like with those eyes, it's definitely it's like poisonous and weird and uh like dark but also like worth being at for like worth spending 24 hours there so just like i don't know it's like a weird specifically inside the arteries of the casino

floors and yes and shopping spaces of the big hotels. Yeah. It's just this like weird alternate universe where like everything's indoors. Like the whole place feels like it's on life support. Yeah. It's this giant like interweaving biodome, except instead of like recreating a biome in the desert, it's just like cigarette smoke. Like whatever they use to cover up the cigarette smoke air conditioning mall food court smells um it feels like it is the

cheesecake factory menu of cities it's like you it does feel yes your producer brian said it feels like a weird space station that that is yeah i think when we were walking through i was like this is what it's going to be like when the climate becomes unlivable and we can't do anything outside anymore and we have to just like live in these lit ass indoor spaces to be like yeah this look this can replace sunlight yeah and it's like i was also like there there's like a lot of families there i wasn't like really aware that that is a thing but yeah it's like it's kind of like a more like disney world if it was if they just like nobody was watching the yeah yeah yeah like yeah do whatever you want like it's all you smoke weed in here like i guess i mean yeah fine you can go ahead and you can gamble away

your kids life savings or college funds people are still smoking cigarettes indoors there is pretty wild like that kind of tells you all you need to know yeah uh for me underrated it's kind of dual-sided first one is gambler the evil spirit that takes over people when they want to gamble that's a reference to the simpsons when marge was always at the casino i i haven't been to to Vegas in maybe six years. Like, since we started the podcast, I have not been to Vegas. And coming back, the way I, you know, I like to have fun gambling. Not all the time. But when I'm in Vegas, I'll indulge a little bit. And the way I immediately was like, what are we up to?

We played roulette. Jack won so casually at the roulette table. Everyone, me, Jabari, Brian, we were like What the fuck was that? I'm over here losing I lost a fucking $100 in 3 seconds And I was like what the fuck I'm like chasing the numbers

I completely fucked up at the roulette table So obviously shout out to Las Vegas And their ability to just kind of Get your eyes all big with dollar signs but the other underrated thing also i realized is watching 7 000 sporting events simultaneously yo is the sports book oh my god it's a disorienting but comforting experience at the same time when on the corner of your eye you have like tennis and then up above there's like under 21 soccer then a fucking ufc fight uh it was just it's just like

wild to be able to kind of like fix your attention all around and when you hear people cheering like wait was it for the person that's got knocked out was this baseball game whatever yeah it felt like um just like the matrix of of sports watching so i gotta say having 3 000 screens kind of kind of fun yeah the i definitely could see myself like the the whole like wally future dystopia where you're just like sitting in a floating chair and just having content like streamed into your brain like that that's it i i could see myself falling victim to that and just being like yep no this is this is how i want to pass my time oh also underrated buffets i just i'll always say that yeah i love a buffet killed some buffets where else can you have sausage and biscuits a slice of prime rib some melon you had a two prime rib day i think we both did when we live twice

her majesty was like please don't be foolish out there because she knows in my younger days in my younger days i used i used to get pretty fucked up in vegas no i've definitely thank god for the personal growth on that end but when she was like just you know like don't don't be stupid out there i'm like honestly the riskiest thing i'm gonna do is probably eat too much red meat uh and i followed through and you followed through all right should we get into a news story for the people i don't know i'd rather talk about prime rib man let's go let's just do prime rib um all right so threads hit over 100 million users within a week definitely ahead of the people's expectations ahead of elon musk's

expectations ahead of zuckerberg's even yeah yeah i mean they yeah they seem happy uh twitter seems unperturbed and totally not worried about this. Oh, wait. No. I mean, we talked last week that Elon had his lawyer send a cease and desist thing. Like, you've been hiring Twitter ex-employees and blah, blah, blah. And that's our proprietary this, that, and the other. Totally not a shook boy move.

But then over the weekend, someone was pointing pointing out like threads and Twitter and some of the similarities. And then he just tweeted Zuck is a cuck. Yeah. Okay. Then follow that up with, I'm not joking. This is verbatim.

What he tweeted. I propose a literal dick measuring contest with the ruler. Yeah. Sorry. I want Zuckerberg. That was Elon Musk. I don't know how to speak like elon musk yeah it's it's it's it's some form of crying through a clenched smile or something um but

yeah i don't know i mean it's this the way that tweeted it felt like he was tweeting his thoughts in real time where like he's seeing like how threads is doing was like sucks a cuck yeah then he's like and then in his mind it was i bet i have a bigger dick than okay all right yeah that'll solve the issue about downloads on a fucking app yeah pull your dicks out okay go ahead whatever this is where we're at it wasn't enough to fight and sweat all over each other now y'all want to pull peepees out and compare um you're on threads i know you you were sharing things with me in real time that i think in the past you would have shared me like we would be showing each other things on twitter you were

showing me things from threads yeah um mostly psych gang's response to watching you play twitch on the flight when i took a candid photo of you they didn't yeah i couldn't believe what they saw yeah i have an unorthodox style of holding the check my threads out you can see some cool exclusive jack switch content i'm not fucking around yeah but yeah but yeah what are we gonna say like just the i i don't know threads i i feel like i need to do some threads pruning i need need to prune the threads. I need to put together my follow list because yeah, right now it just feels very much like, you know, Twitter still feels like,

I don't know. I find like funnier jokes. They're threads. The people I follow on threads, I think cause it's like Instagram still feels like people are trying to build their brand a little bit more. Like there's something more of like people are watching on threads, whereas on Twitter, people are just posting their thoughts. You know, like Elon following Dear Leader, just posting their thoughts in real time. Yeah, I mean, I think it is worth pointing out, out like you say like there are definitely clear vibrational differences yeah on threads and

twitter you know what i mean like for me personally instagram is a little bit more because it is a facebook product i follow a lot of people like from my like personal life like people i went to school with like from way back and be like oh shit look at their like because that's for me the place now if you're going to post pictures of your family and shit do it on instagram because i don't want to hear about it's i think maybe what it's going to do it's going to actually marry bring the worst part of facebook and make it twitter where like i'm not on facebook because i don't want to hear the ramblings of people whose opinions i don't respect yeah because i'm just kind of there because of a loose affiliation.

Whereas Twitter, it's more like content I'm seeking out. So I think, yeah, it just feels a little bland. Other comedians definitely having a good time on there, but it doesn't have that Wild West feel of Twitter because I think on some level, people know it's like my mom might see this or like, you know, like my aunt doesn't know i'm a fucking like wild fucking you know this that or the other um elon described he had this he compared it to this about why twitter's better than threads he said quote it is infinitely preferable to be attacked by strangers on twitter than indulge in the false happiness of hide the pain instagram which you know it's a weird way to put it but yeah kind of it's also weird that his like thing that he surfaces about twitter is abuse um yeah i can't tell if it's like i just haven't added all the funny people i follow on twitter or they're not

on threads or if social media networks have to like go through a life cycle that is just Twitter. Like this feels like Twitter early days, Twitter, like very, uh, when I first started using it. And I think that's probably based on just, I hadn't like really gotten my follow list where it needs to be.

Yeah. Um, yeah, I've been, I've been surprised. i've seen like former classmates like from like middle school like on threads like say stuff and i'm like oh shit that's where you're at right now okay on follow didn't forgot about that part and they're looking at yours and being like oh you're hanging out with somebody who doesn't know how to hold a twitch

right doesn't know how to hold a uh the fuck is wrong with you yeah but yeah i will say i don't know i could also see threads just falling off a cliff in like two months if people get bored yeah you know i mean because i think part of a lot of people are like wow zuckerberg's done it and you know how he completely went like switched it around from getting made fun of about the metaverse and all that shit to now being like oh shit yeah you kind of stomping out Elon Musk at the you know social media platform game but I think part of that whole

threads their rise is completely linked to everyone just fucking hating Elon Musk quitting Twitter and so Elon you can take that it might not be because the actual platform is better it's because they fucking hate you so you know. There's also the nice fact that on Twitter now you can like easily just scroll past anybody with a blue checkmark next to their name.

That's actually become a useful way to just be like, oh, this is just bullshit. Yeah. Block this person. So a helpful broken product, um, on Twitter. Uh, but we'll see.

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television iheart radio and realm listen to dream sequence on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or you get your podcasts and we're back and in the world of ai uh sarah silverman i just saw someone on threads exactly reminds me why i don't want to be like this one person i used to work with just said i'm ready for prime day birdman hand rub in parentheticals really yeah there are people just being like hey do you guys like pizza or people ready for prime day talking about like threads versus twitter yeah

yeah I like have the New York like a lot of New York Times tweets and just I think it's just I haven't done a good enough job. It's back where my media intake was back when I was using Facebook. Yeah, you just got to get the thumb active and just start unfollowing. That's all. Yeah, yeah.

But make sure you follow us. Don't know what I'll be posting, but I'll be posting some shit on it. Yeah. All right. Sarah Silvermanman other authors are sitting chat gpt um yeah it's been a thing man yeah this uh we saw with getty images we saw a lawsuit come from them where they're talking about how generative like a lot of these you know these generative ais are using copyrighted material to then create these new images or

products or text or whatever um so sarah silverman along with authors richard cadry and christopher golden who did error at um they are suing open ai and meta for copyright infringement and their suit alleges that the companies illegally use their works as basically part of data sets that trained these ais so for the open ai chat gpt suit um their like their evidence was showing that when prompted chat gpt would summarize their books which infringes on their copyrights and they say that the chatbot never bothered to quote reproduce any of the copyright management information plaintiffs included with their published works which would just make chat gpt worse like a worse product if you had to like get

a bunch of right yeah exactly it makes sense trying to like they are just stealing content but that that is also basically what the internet does right yeah but it's like but we have to feed it something and it's just stuff that already exists and in a way that is how the human mind works um but again like and it's specifically to meta and they're like llama models as they call their like open or whatever their ai models they're basically saying that like you guys have even said that the data sets that you're using that med is using to train these ais are like using these existing databases of printed materials or of copywritten materials that they're using that to train the

ai and because their books have been included in those data sets are saying well no do not you're using our works illegally right so it's a it's it's a very like it's a very complicated thing and i mean these lawsuits are going to have potentially huge ramifications over what even the definition of a copyright is right so this i i'm right now these people are suing for damages and loss of profits etc uh but i don't think there's any reason to think that these lawsuits are going to stop at this point because it like on on one end as a creative person you're like i can't like my work can't just be used willy-nilly for this other this ai but then again well how you know how do we differentiate all these things i mean i i'm not on the side of

being like yeah let them pick your shit but it'll be interesting how this is adjudicated and how what that means going forward if like you have to license something to have that used as part of like a learning data set for ai or some shit yeah no the whole thing's fucking feels above me and like crazy and like well i don't know i feel like we've already hit the singularity in terms of my ability to even like kind of understand what's going on but it definitely feels bad for people trying to create content in the world but i mean i'm not playing devil's advocate by any stretch of the imagination but all of our creative works are informed by previous creative work for sure on some level whether some people are

cynically just copying shit or people are influential on people's own create like their own artistic aesthetic formation or whatever. You know what I mean? Like, so at that point, where do we I'm not saying that these AIs need the rights of people, but then how do we kind of define it all? Because on some level, you can tell that, like, does does J Dilla exist without DJ DJ Premiere without, you know, the original DJs that were sampling things and like who, you know what I mean? Like it just, everything builds on each other. Um, and there was like a book I, like I read, I remember like many years ago, it's called how to steal like an artist. And it was just basically talking about how it's really like, we've seen many Ted talks and stuff like this about how it's all of our ideas

are just formed off of the backs of these other ones yeah so on that level there's no need to think of like why don't i have anything original to do but just know that we're just part of this like constant evolution of ideas the ai also ingested that book uh many years ago exactly it's like i will steal like an ai yes but yeah like that that bums me out to like because that argument is definitely coming like well what's the difference between what this ai does exactly what you guys do and it's like well that is a product that is just feeding money into your like bottom line as a corporation you're cynically creating something that has the potential to devastate like other human beings their own artistic endeavors whereas this other thing

is just our own human right to like exist live ingest ideas and then express new ones yeah um god i mean can you where's where's that like lawsuit where like the fucking ai is like wearing a tie at the fucking supreme court and shit. Yeah. But I mean the like AI is the big thing that everybody's investing in on wall street. So I know, I've like, I've heard a lot of smart people be like, it's just the latest like scam and it's not going to be able to follow

through on this shit. But you know, wall street who has never been fooled before by anything seems to, it seems to think metaverse all right uh more undisclosed clarence thomas gifts just dropped so big news um yeah the new york times is doing some digging so it's not just a personal vendetta by pro publica as no thomas and uh harlan Crowe seemed to think it was. Yeah,

exactly. New York times is getting in on the action to be like, people might want to know that this dude just parties with billionaires and, you know, corporate heads and then rules in their favor. Constantly. What the, these are just,

they're just hospitality between his friend. Yeah, this is is this is wild so we got to just start calling him fancy clancy um but yeah he turns out man this guy it wasn't just harlan crow like clarence thomas has been getting hooked up since even before he was in the fucking supreme court yeah um so the second that he was put on the bench of the supreme court he was in the fucking Supreme Court. Yeah. So the second that he was put on the bench of the Supreme Court, he was invited to join this group called the Horatio Alger Association of Distinguished Americans. Right. Horatio Alger being the character that was like the pull your bootstraps up novel protagonist from like the early turn of the century. antagonist from like the early that you know turn of the century and is one like one of the most formative people for like kind of the toxic american ideal of just like well you don't need help like look at this gracio alger is poor person who made himself rich by just pulling

himself up by his bootstraps and now we're distinguished look at us and they build themselves as a scholarship organization or whatever, but it's just a place where the really connected conservatives all hang out. And we have instant access now to a Supreme Court justice. They talked about how he got vacations, VIP tickets to sporting events, went to lavish fucking parties with ed mcmahon and oprah

you know what i mean real a-list type shit um oprah doing what do you mean i guess yeah oprah's yeah she's not oprah oprah left the building you know when you're that rich when you're that rich in general you have left the building completely yeah um so anyway a lot of i'm just saying like what you doing with ed mcmahon i'm shipping those two that's oh i love that ed mcmahon is dead right oh right right yeah yeah yeah well well you're shipping my brain like decades before he died so um yeah i think that's probably he just exists in a hyper Reality for me Oh shit he died in 2009 I don't know why in my mind I was like he died back in like 2016

Or something I wasn't even that wave of Terrible losses in 2016 anyway The worst Mandela effect We just came up with it I thought that McMahon died in 2016 He so he Hadn't reported any of these a lot of people point To the fact that after 2004,

when the LA times pointed out a lot of shit that he was like slipping on, he just stopped reporting shit in general. So for like 19 years, he's just like, fuck it. Like, I'm not, I'm not even gonna let you go.

I'm not gonna give you guys crumbs to look at. Um, but the other thing that came out, like I said, a lot of these, these favors were happening before he got on the Supreme court. They found one vacation where a buddy paid for a vacation in the bahamas and then also a friend paid for his 1987 wedding

reception wow he just didn't pay for anything for yeah like he's just his whole life yeah like he's basically what social media influencers do except he was doing it early and he was a supreme court justice and it's all spawn con yeah it's all sponsored content that i do it's all these cool stuff i get uh yeah so like not to mention you should have to like put a hashtag at the beginning of his hashtag room court yeah ruling if he's if he's writing the majority opinion hashtag ad but uh we are citing with uh you know fucking berkshire hathaway on this one because the homie had me at his ranch in montana it's actually really beautiful hashtag ad yeah but i think one of the creepier revelations is that some of his friends uh from horatio alger helped pay for a documentary about him made specifically as like a rebuttal following

the HBO movie about Anita Hill starring Kerry Washington yeah it came out in like 2020 I think it was yeah fairly recent yeah so yeah it's just a two-hour infomercial for him and in which he compares himself to the falsely accused Tom Robinson in and to kill a mockingbird oh yeah same yeah same thing yeah yeah yeah i see that i see that i see that yeah okay all right truly pull yourself up by your bootstraps why doesn't he call himself boo radley though right i think he's more boo radley like that makes more he's like they got the wrong idea about me man yeah actually no they don't have the wrong i'm i'm pretty turns out pretty fucked up character the whole time all right uh quick box office update um according

to an ad i saw on twitter uh sound of freedom was the number one movie at the box is america's number one movie at the box office um so they are you know you guys talked about how it was the number one movie at the box office on july 4th just one day yeah for one day which they and they like made it seem like it was their target audience's patriotic duty to go see the movie on july 4th but the rest of the weekend, it did not. It was somewhere in the top five, which they're claiming is a victory, but did not beat

Indiana Jones or Insidious the Red Door. It did on July the 4th. That's right. What we did with Patriots, who instead of barbecuing or doing what they would have been doing on july 4th actually uh went to the movies and again until i see who is the source of those ticket

sales i'm filing this under so dubious i'm gonna smoke it as a doobie okay because we knew that they the whole reason they got there was basically doing the New York times bestseller list shit where you could buy as many tickets as you wanted to gift them to someone who you wanted to see the film. So we have no idea how many motherfuckers actually saw this shit with their own eyes. We just know how much money has been passed in the form of quote unquote ticket sales.

Um, that gets it there. But yeah, I mean like, it definitely seems to be making a impact for this type of movie um but it's also like yeah and it's funny how like close it is in a lot of ways to american sniper which was also like kind of a right wing movie that was based on the grift of like somebody who

was constantly exaggerating and like made himself into an action hero in people's minds so was that guy like a big liar the the guy that bradley cooper played i mean i remember that like i remember years ago people like yeah that guy was full of shit but was he was he just like grossly exaggerating everything grossly exaggerating and uh yeah it's not a in any way based on fact movie that draws most of its power from the idea that it's based on fact well because the film itself like felt like this weird like islamophobic fever dream yeah i mean so oh okay well this one is just as equally uh untethered from reality so yeah he goes on like uh rescue missions that like with camera crews and they're like based on a tip from a utah psychic as you guys mentioned at the end of last week which pretty well bridger for the

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and he was confronted with his terrible poll numbers and totally just didn't... He looked like a middle schooler being broken up with for the first time. He was just like, wait, what? The line of questioning, too, is just like, so why do you basically distill down to like, so you suck pretty bad, huh? What's going on going on with that yeah let's just hear this exchange because it is pretty

it's heartening there's something about you that's not connecting for whatever reason not connecting with the voter whether or not be personality donald trump says it's about loyalty francis suarez says it's about your relationships and it's not about those individuals so much. I'm curious in the analysis of Ron DeSantis of why not yet is connecting. Well, I think, did you just see the news today about the record fundraising hall we've had? Nobody's been able to match that in the history of modern presidential politics. So we've got a huge amount of support uh to be able to take the case to the people we really haven't started that yet oh so so first we

aren't trying yet okay i wasn't even trying oh you thought that that was my campaign when i announced my campaign so no you heard the amazing news that we you know just we just we just shattered a fundraising room you will yeah he um squeezed like 13 blinks in between the end of the sentence and uh the beginning of the question the beginning of his answer yeah i don't know again um it it the distillation of that is so you're creeping people out donald trump says because you a fucking snake other people say because you creep them out yeah we want to know why you think you're fucking up that whole thing is like well i haven't even charted yet yeah it really it does feel like my read on it is that it's it's really the the same as the muller and uh jared uh kushner thing where

like everybody had heard of him and seen him in headlines and then they heard him speak and like saw him move and saw him interact with other humans right and it was like oh oh wait a second like this he's he's just like not i don't know in that in the full clip i was watching like a longer segment of that when will cain was interviewing him he starts off by like playing a clip of ron desantis he's like he's like let's watch it before it comes on and it's like he's like i don't know if you heard about this but at the southern border you got people coming in from tajikistan it's not just people from south america and i was thinking wow like it's the least like and will king comes back he's like so what the he's like so you know not the most compelling and then he had him on oh my god yeah he's at the

this you stage of yeah just all right let's look at your performance here and just it's like the post-game interview with an athlete who has just lost like yeah it feels like the energy that they're they're giving him and then he and then he came back for more yeah his explanation in addition to like i wasn't trying he also blamed his poor numbers on the corporate media yep and also the president of mexico there you go there it is yeah um he said well i think if you look at the people like the corporate media who are they going after who do they not want to be the nominee? They're going after me, who's the president of Mexico attacking because he knows who will

be strong on the border and hold him accountable and the cartels. He's going after me because Republican voters usually check for, I think it goes like drudge first and then Fox and then President of Mexico. Like, what's he saying? What's his read on the situation? Also, name the President of Mexico. Right. Bonus points.

It's also wild for him to claim that it's like the mainstream media is not on board because he is basically a fabrication of the mainstream media like 100 front page of time like he is the beto o'rourke of the republican yeah um the republican primary and they're like oh wait he's a robot guy yeah it's wild though too how this guy's he's losing he's losing points because of the lack of riz right you know yeah where have we come where how far we've fallen yeah and then he comes back for more and you

would think that he's like okay now i'll have like a different strategy a different approach to to the questions no but it seemed like his strategy was like maybe they'll be nicer this time yeah so he went to maria bartiromo show and she she was also like hey bro the fuck is going on with you i'm wondering what's going on with your campaign there was a lot of optimism about you running for president earlier in the year but here's this weekend's headline from the politico playbook failure to launch florida governor Ron DeSantis' campaign to topple Donald Trump has stalled. We are way behind, says a top DeSantis PAC official sounding the alarm. What happened? Maria, these are narratives. The media does not want me to be the nominee. I think that's very,

very clear. Why? Because they know I'll beat Biden. But even more importantly, they know I will actually deliver on all these things. OK, just a couple of things that laugh. Yeah, that laugh first. OK, good transition to show you're not pressed at all. But I like that he he's pointing to polling, right? That they're like measurably way behind. Like you're not you're not having an effect on the conversation and he's like well that's a narrative not a measurement of of something um and then goes on to say that he would beat joe biden i'm not sure i've seen that uh and then just continues to just i think his new thing now is just to say they don't, like, my numbers are bad because

the media doesn't fucking want me to do well. Right. Which is clever, but doesn't even come close to explaining why you're not doing anything. It's not like you're being, like, completely vanished from the conversation. Like, people were actively giving him relevance to even get

to this point. So to then be like, they don't want that. They don't want it with Hov like that. Yeah i don't know i don't know about that ron i don't know and then yeah i mean and we talked about the fact that like he has the problem of he feels committed to going further right than trump because he recognizes that's where the energy is like especially at a at a local level but also like his main argument that was causing all the mainstream media to like back him was that he was the more moderate like the more sensible option so yeah there's a problem there and then um as fox a Fox panelist said later in the day on Fox News. You got to hear it. Should we just play it?

Yeah. They're just so out on this guy. It's just so fucking wild. Jonathan, just last word on this. What are Democrats going to be watching for in that debate? How awful Ron DeSantis does. I think Ron DeSantis' biggest problem is people are getting to know him. And it turns out his record in Florida is kind of hurtful to a lot of people and hateful.

And it's not resonating. He also, from every report, seems to be a weird guy with voters. And when you're in Iowa and New Hampshire, you have to talk one-on-one to them. And I don't think he does that really well. I think the person I'd be watching for is Tim Scott in those debates. Anyway, he's just a weird guy you know that kind of sums it up i feel like they for a long time were just like holding their tongue like i guess we got to make this the guy he's the guy right like he did good in florida election and now they're just like all right we can this is weird right well i see a few pieces too from like the never Trump kind of side of the Republican establishment is like, fuck,

we got to cut our losses, do it. It ain't DeSantis. Like we've got to figure out who the fuck it can, who the Trump alternative even could be now because DeSantis has completely broken apart upon reentry. So yeah, he's just a weird guy. That's like,

honest. I feel like that's one of the most fucked up things you can say. Like, yeah, like not even like his policies are backwards and he's a proto-fascist you can just be like he's a fucking weird guy and like that cuts like even no matter your political ideology you go oh fuck really he's a weird guy well you can't like you can't strategically reconfigure your campaign from being a weird guy like you can't be like all right i'll stop being a weird guy like the can you imagine like yeah i would love this feels like a like a comedy where he fires his campaign staff and brings in like new consultants and stuff to help with his image and he like comes out like frosted tips or some shit next week he's trying

to do like anything his his image back in the day when he was uh liking sir mixing a lot is that did you see that no yeah there was like a high school yearbook picture oh no yeah his yearbook quote that's going viral oh it's fake oh is it shit yeah all right never mind good to know damn dude this photo is real though that middle part of him yeah his middle part high school days are pretty uh pretty intense this is so stupid i love but i just love how stupid the internet is giving him this is the fake quote that that was going viral it's so stupid ronald de santis my mount rushmore is jesus sir mixes a lot and nintendo 64 sir mixes a lot is great um all right and uh also in vegas over the weekend

yeah and i'm surprised nobody's calling us out only the best best folks. We were there too. But Mel Gibson and Donald Trump were spotted plotting to overthrow Hollywood aka just chilling with Guy Fieri because they were at the same UFC fight. Yeah.

Mel Gibson was trending on Twitter because he was seen hanging with Trump and Roger Stone. Yeah. Just figuring it out. Just figuring it out. Just some ideas I got on how to completely take us back to the Stone Age.

Yeah. Yeah. The Guy Fieri thing. Anna sent us a TikTok today about the pictures of Guy Fieri shaking hands with Trump with like, that's the day the music died. Yeah. Well, you know, he just respects the office, man.

Yeah, I feel like that is not surprising in the least bit for Guy Fieri. I don't, Guy Fieri, he's truly like in the middle. Yeah, yeah. Like in that sense of like, because he, I think he i think he has he has enough appeal to progressives because of his like lgbtq stances and how outspoken he's been

there and then just by being like the fucking spicy nachos guy yeah on tv is enough to get conservatives on board and then he'll be like well i'm not gonna he's like i'm not fucking cornell west we're gonna turn my back on the president and just say, hello. Hey, I'm Guy. Good to meet you. But according to right wing conspiracy theorists, this is because they're hatching some kind of elaborate plan that nothing can stop to expose all the pedophiles in Hollywood. And really, who better to weed? This is the Mel Gibson.

This is the Mel Gibson and Donald Trump. And who better to weed out abusers in Hollywood than Mel Gibson? He's probably telling Trump, it takes a thief. Yeah. You're like, okay. Breaking. President Trump holds meeting with Mel Gibson and Roger Stone after Sound of Freedom tops box office. Tops box office. Now that's a narrative.

There you go. uh-huh apparently mel gibson's a big fan of the sound of freedom even had input on its final edit oh really yeah apparently wow i mean makes sense he had like another one of the like successful right wing movie marketing campaigns, um, where they basically made people think it was their duty to like go see the passion of the Christ. Um, so it makes sense to me that he's kind of plugged into this, uh, in some way. In reality,

they were just at a reception at a UFC event. Yeah. Hey, Mark Wahlberg was also there. Yeah. Mark Wahlberg. Yeah. Dude, that's a fucking crew.

That's my Mount Rushmore. Sorry, Sir Mixes a lot. You've been bumped. It's Guy Fieri, Mel Gibson, Roger Stone, Nintendo Twitch. Yeah. And Sir Mixes a lot. But yeah, I mean, Gibson. twitch yeah and sir mixes a lot um but yeah i mean gibson we've seen where he stands on on various things but he i guess made headlines for saluting trump at a fight two years ago and it's not go

back to australia mel get out of here you aussie piece of garbage garbage Garbage. So, I don't know. We didn't see them. We were not there for this summit in Las Vegas. Unfortunately, we were at the sports book. Took some action on the Suns and on the Oklahoma City Thunder. To win it all. Win it all, baby. All right. Those are some of the things that are trending on this Monday, July 10th.

We are back tomorrow with the whole last episode of the show. Until then, be kind to each other. Be kind to yourselves. Get the vaccine. Don't do nothing about white supremacy. And we will talk to you all tomorrow. Bye. Bye. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films

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