The Daily Zeitgeist - Weinstein’s Spy Army, What Nuclear Explosions Are Like 11.7.17

Episode Date: November 8, 2017

In episode 23, Jack & Miles are joined by writer Dave Schilling to discuss Weinstein's league of spies, what a Nuclear blast over your town would feel like, Papa Johns, Carter Page, Syria signing the Paris climate agreement, Ric Flair, & more. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 5, Episode 2 of the Daily Zeitgeist for November 7th, 2017. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Potatoes O'Brien, and I'm joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Greetings, everybody. I hope you're having a blessed day. This is my new positive spin I'm trying to do on my opening. Very peaceful. Yes. Bless you all. And we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the hilarious writer and humorist,

Dave Schilling. Oh, hi. Oh, hey. How's it going, Dave? Oh, hello. Hi. How art thou? I is good.

Ooh. Yeah, a little Shakespeare for us. A little Queen's English. Yes. Dave, what is something that you've searched in the not-too-distant past that is revealing about who you are as a human being? Oh, well, I gotta announce right up front that I recently had a child, so I've been searching for it. Hey, hello! He was born the day of Game 7 of the World Series,

so he's absolutely cursed. I searched dinosaur's baby on Google recently, this morning actually, because I think my kid looks like the baby from Dinosaurs. Oh, really? From Not the Mama? Exactly. Not the Mama. And then he hits the dad with the saucepan.

That guy. Because it's the same skin tone. He's a biracial kid, so he's very, like, he's tan. He's creamy. But he's not too... It's like my coffee, but with a little bit more of that delicious cream stuff. So, yeah. And then I tweeted, I love my son, and a picture of the dinosaurs, baby.

And everybody was like, you are not nice to your kid. He's five days old, and you're already comparing him to a Muppet. I remembered him as purple, the dinosaur's baby. Well, didn't he have, like, purple spots? He had purple pants, didn't he? Maybe. I thought he was always in a diaper or something. Definitely a diaper.

I remember my uncle was, like, first AD, and he worked worked on that show and I went to the set. It was the most heartbreaking shit to see as a kid. Miles, my uncle wrote for dinosaurs. Really? That's crazy. Holy shit. Is that real? Yeah.

What? Jim Henson bringing us all together. I knew there was some reason we came together. Yeah. This is the dinosaurs reunion. Of our uncles. Greatest series finale of all time because all the characters die at the end. Isn't that unbelievable?

It's awesome. That's actually kind of appropriate for today's episode. It makes sense, though, too. So what's something that you believe to be overrated? Oh, I'm going to start with black ice cream. What is going on with this? I see it on Instagram all the time. People are like, got cones with this vanilla ice cream, but it's black because it has charcoal in it.

It's still vanilla ice cream. I grew up with Crystal Pepsi, and the gimmick was it's a different color than what you're used to. And no one liked it. I mean, I ironically drink it now when I see it at Target or something, but it wasn't good. So why are people so obsessed with black ice cream? Do you guys know what I'm talking about? Is this totally, like, overhead? I know, like, black sesame ice cream. I didn't know that they were just straight up making vanilla ice cream do you guys know what i'm talking about is this totally like i know i know like black sesame ice cream i didn't know that they were just straight up making vanilla ice cream look black there's a place downtown i think it's called little damage

in los angeles and they sell black ice cream black vanilla ice cream and are they are they touting any kind of like health benefits because they're struggling just like hey we got black ice cream i think charcoal is supposed to be good for your um it's it's like it purifies you in some way right or good for hangovers but i don't think they say that i think they just say come take a picture with this ice cream it's a funny color right it makes me mad if you can't trust the health advice of gimmick ice cream then who can you trust you know no uh what's something you think is underrated? Being a parent It's great I thought it would be just a piss and poop explosion But there's actually moments of real joy

When you're not cleaning up his butt Yeah Or his wiener What kind of joy are we talking here? I have no idea I'm not a parent He looks at you while he's farting And it looks like a smile

Or you put like a smile or you put like a like a funny costume on him like i bought him a suit at target with a little bow tie and i'm like you're the mayor of baby town look at you you're like now sign this decree yes get him a top hat and a monocle and then he's mr peanut yeah uh this actually sounds great yeah is there a place to rent babies for this kind of uh you come come to my house, give me 50 bucks, you can have them for a week. Great. Cool. I have costumes and everything.

Just don't drop him on his soft spot. No, no, no, no. I just, I have a calendar I'm working on, so this will be great. Yeah, you can like push on the little soft spot and like make one of his limbs twitch. Wait, what? I'm going to throw up. I don't know, because you know about medicine and your family's not going to be. I have a Making America Great hat down here I'm going to throw up. I don't know, because you know about medicine and your family. I have a Making America Great hat down here I'm going to throw up.

Yeah, and the good news is that this is something that I hadn't heard before I had a kid, but it only gets better. It gets more and more fun. The further they get into life, they get more of a personality, and it just keeps getting more and more fun. The further they get into life, they get more of a personality, and it just keeps getting more and more fun. Did you ever at one point say, man, this is kind of more than I signed up for? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Constantly. So that does happen a lot. Like last night. Oh, no. No, no. I kind of knew what I was getting into. What's the hardest thing? Is it the sleep?

I feel like that's... Yeah, sleep is tough. I slept four knew what I was getting into. What's the hardest thing? Is it the sleep? I feel like that's... Yeah, sleep is tough. I slept four hours last night. Really? Yeah. So if I'm not funny, it's because of that. Because of your baby. Yeah, it's my child.

Blame your child. It's a perfect excuse for any career failure. I got a kid now. Well, that's true, because also, like, I know, like, I've worked with people who, you know, when I was, like, producing video and stuff, who had come in and shoot stuff, and they'd be like, look, dude, I gotta get home, my baby, and stuff. And, like, they were cutting out so early, but you can't really argue with that. Right.

Because you don't have a baby. It's also, yeah, it's a great excuse. I might just have a baby for the excuses. Right. Okay, cool. Except I have a baby, so I can just be like, yeah, so what? I gotta be. Yeah, right.

And then I'm like, I'm still here. Right. Well, I got two, man, so. And then you're like, I'm still here. Well, I got two, man. So and then you're like, one of them's black. Yeah. Let's get into the show. So before we get into the stories, we like to state our purpose up top. We're trying to take a sample of the ideas that are out there changing the world.

That's why it's the daily zeitgeist. We talk about politics the president uh the news we also talk about movies and supermarket tabloids uh and we want to start up top talking to you dave about uh this is sort of a a new uh segment that that we've spontaneously developed but we're asking our guests like what is something some myth that uh they've noticed that keeps coming up in movies that isn't actually true based on their own personal experience okay so i am in an interracial couple i am the product of an interracial couple so i have a lot of experience with race mixing and there's a genre of filmmaking

doesn't really have a name yet but it should have a name uh where the conceit is the parents are one race of the of the male character and the female character's parents are of another race and isn't it funny that they get together and they don't understand each other this happens in movies like get out obviously that came out this year guess who's coming to dinner the remake with bernie mack and ashton kutcher called guess who and basically uh the movie my big fat greek wedding is about this there's just a ton of these movies where there's no other joke besides can you believe that these people eat this wacky food? Well, let me tell you something, folks. It's not that difficult to have your parents meet your future in-laws.

Usually people are nice to each other. Typically, people find a way to get along. I don't understand why there's so many movies about how weird it is that white people and black people are different. At the same time, they are kind of different. It's just that we're still all people. Right. So I've never related to those movies where it's like, oh, I better tiptoe over the fact

that my family owned slaves in the Civil War or something. That just doesn't happen. Right. Miles, you're also... Yeah, I'm also a product of uh the old race mixing as well and uh it's weird the it's very true like every time inherently like that my parents have met uh like a girlfriend's parents it's always like they just find common ground immediately yeah weird shit yeah like most recently my my girlfriend

uh her dad came by and my dad and like to my dads and like they met and he was like oh you got that vape pen too he's like yeah what strain is this i'm like wow okay so he's just like you could tell because they're both like you know old hippies so they're immediately like oh i know you i know right so yeah it's it's never like wow you uh use tide instead of game right kind of thing like there's never you know there's everything like that and i think yeah in the movies that portray that like presupposes like people who who meet each other on the street like white people don't like or black people don't see white people like whoa do you see that you see how they're doing that yeah look at how big their feet are yeah my god i've never seen feet that big

right yeah my in-laws are korean and like very Korean. Like they still mostly speak Korean around the house. And yeah, we were able to find stuff to talk about. for me and like i didn't realize like i went home with my then girlfriend and uh i didn't i thought that everybody celebrated thanksgiving dinner and like halfway through thanksgiving my wife was like oh they've never done this before we've never had thanksgiving dinner we usually just go out to eat uh on thanksgiving and it was really well done and uh and also the fact that i love korean food uh was was a big bonus. Yeah. Is there a YouTube tutorial for how to put on a Thanksgiving dinner? Yeah, for like non-American people.

This is the point where the mother and the son need to have a serious argument. Right, right. This is where all the gay rumors come out. Okay. Yeah. And then your problematic uncle says something vaguely racist. Right. That's great. All right.

Let's get into some stories, guys. So first up, we want to just talk about the constantly developing Weinstein story. And for once, the development is interesting and not just like thoroughly defeating and depressing uh in an existential way uh although anyway it is yeah it is kind of that it's just it's compelling because it feel it feels like uh a whole world has opened to us that i didn't i wasn't aware existed so uh ronan farrow who uh wrote the original new yorker article where i think it was the first place that people were accusing him of rape. And so he just dropped another New Yorker article about this huge sort of spy corporate spy network that Weinstein had working for him for the past like five to 10 years,

sort of trying to keep these accusations under wraps. Uh, there was like a firm called black cube, uh, that specializes in sort of corporate espionage and is full of ex Mossad agents, uh, who like use false identities and like infiltrate.

Uh, ex-Massad agents who like use false identities and like infiltrate. Like one of them was a woman who pretended like she was a feminist and met with the actress Rose McGowan. She was like trying to find out what she would be willing to accuse Weinstein of. And like they had all these meetings where she was like, oh, you're so brave. I'm so proud of what you're doing. She had all these meetings where she was like, oh, you're so brave. I'm so proud of what you're doing. And she was secretly like reporting back to Weinstein and this company. There were also like journalists that he had sort of digging into, you know, different stories for him to just try and like get ahead of the story and it just seems like i mean it's crazy uh and just on its own but it also seems to open up this world of like rich guy damage control like where rich guys are you know we we tend to think oh you know they become corrupt and like do these bad things and just like lose track of the consequences. And he was fully aware of the consequences and was just actively like, you know, trying to keep the consequences at bay.

And I mean, these sorts of type A people who, you know, run entire companies and who end up becoming enormously wealthy. entire companies and who end up becoming enormously wealthy, it makes sense that they would have these elaborate ways to sort of keep themselves free from, you know, the public eye or, you know, the consequences of their actions. Well, it's just crazy how effective this clearly they've been putting in a lot of work to try and keep this under wraps. And I think Asia Argento today tweeted was like, you know, why do you think it took long for people like myself and Rose McGowan to come out? It's because, like, ex-Massad agents are following me and trying to silence me. It's a whole new level.

I mean, that's a level of wealth, like, I can't even comprehend, of having a goon army. Yeah. First of all, Black Cube sounds like the name of a sci-fi channel original movie starring Antonio Sabato Jr. Second of all, you can never escape. Never escape the Black Cube. Second of all, doesn't this make you paranoid on some level? Oh, hell yeah.

Anyone who's trying to ingratiate themselves to you is trying to get information because someone wants to take you down. Right. That's terrifying to me. That said, we all live in Los Angeles where it's probably smart to be paranoid. I don't know. But this is another level of paranoid. And when I imagine what these sort of like private investigators are like, I always think

about like Anthony Pelicano or the show ray donovan or winston wolf in in pulp fiction it's just like some kind of sleazy guy that you call on a burner cell phone and they come and they like bury a dead body for you but these are former spies this is like a company that you hire that is allegedly legitimate in some way uh even though it's very seedy business these are people there's a wikipedia page you're looking at for black for black cube yeah and all the numerous things they do i mean like they it seems like their thing is to like get people on tape too like they're they seem to be really good at that they've apparently there was like a dispute between uh two companies and like during the litigation like they're anyway they basically

proved that one of the companies gave false testimony by like talking to a dude and getting him to say something that's completely contrary to what they're doing so they're in the business of like hey man you got fucking problems like we can correct them how do i hire them to get rid of trump like can we just start a kickstarter to hire black cube to get trump out of office i mean that's assuming that trump doesn't already have this entire industry working for him, which I don't know, probably not that safe an assumption, because I don't know if rich people who have a background of sexually abusing and assaulting people are like using these means to sort of keep the public eye at bay. He would seem to be a candidate possibly. Um,

it's, it's just like so transparently nefarious black cube. It's like black box. It's like, yeah, uh, we specialize in just keeping things. Oh,

shit. Yeah. Black water. That's another one, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

They could, why can it just be something like, you know, risk consultants? Right. That would even be like less dark. Obsidian. Right. Yeah, right. Right.

They also, we have another instance of, one of our recurring segments on this show is Bloid Watch. Bloid Watch. I don't know if people think that's a drop, but that's always just one. I can't believe you do that live every week, man. That's talent. But we look at the front page of different tabloids that people are passing by in the supermarkets because those are getting as many eyeballs as any website or newspaper

out there. getting as many eyeballs as any website or newspaper out there. But they are all made by the same company, and it is a hugely pro-Trump company. They're called American Media Inc. And, you know, their publisher is a good friend of Donald Trump. And they were actually being used by Weinstein to investigate Rose McGowan and like try and get some dirt on her, get examples of her lying or something. Just, you know, doing oppo research on somebody who Weinstein knew he had raped and wanted to, you know, be able to discredit when she eventually told people. I wonder when. So and it's funny now because they he's like emblazoned on every week on the cover of like the inquirer globe or things like that like what what's the

moment where they're like okay so we're gonna make him the subject now because what is he not paying or they just they they have moral scruples i think they don't care i think it's just like all right you know chum in the water let's start feeding. There's no actual moral compass for any of these people. It's just money. Right. Right. And it was I think it was a member of their I think it was their chief content officer who was working as an independent contractor for Weinstein.

But I mean, obviously using the fact that he is a chief of a tabloid empire to get information on on different people. So, yeah, it's interesting. hero of fucking up rich corrupt people and uh uncovers this you know huge empire of bullshit that uh i'm i'm assuming is out there because uh you know this is just the guy we're finding out about right yeah and it's fascinating to me that harvey weinstein is this gigantic democratic party donor for years and then he gets in bed with trump supporters like there's there's no there's no line that a wealthy person with demons and skeletons will not cross yeah yeah no predators are you know they have completely evolved as human beings to prey on other people and so like that is their survival instinct is like how do i continue to pray and

they're not cool predators like the predator you know they don't have dreadlocks vision or an arm mounted cannon right instead of heat vision they have like an instinct for making people who they prey on look like liars or whatever the instead of camouflage they hire companies like black cube with x-Massad agents. Right. All right. We're going to go to a quick break and we'll be right back after this. I'm Carrie Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports, where we live at the intersection of sports and culture. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry.

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a given event or a given period in history or a given war. And that is what people imagined that event being like. And an example of that that I always go to is the I feel like anytime i picture a nuclear explosion i am picturing the scene from terminator two when sarah connor is dreaming of what the what judgment day would eventually look like um just taking her kid to the park yeah so she's got her kid in the park and then also she is like watching herself take her kid to the park um but there's a big blinding white light and then a mushroom cloud and then a wave of fire that just like basically disintegrates everything in its path. And this is what just turns into a skeleton. Right.

Everybody like turns into a pile of ash basically right away, she disintegrates down to a skeleton and then, you know, is blown huge blast of wind that comes through. Apparently there's like a 700 mile per hour wind that comes through with a nuclear explosion. But when you look at the people who actually survived Hiroshima and Nagasaki, there are some things that, you know, we just don't picture and that I haven't seen really in any pop culture depiction of a nuclear explosion. For instance, there were survivors that were within 300 feet of the explosion in Hiroshima, which just seems impossible based on my idea of what a nuclear explosion or James or James Cameron's idea. Right. Yeah. Which he put inside my head. And, you know, there are other nuclear explosions in pop culture. Usually we see them at a distance because mushroom clouds are cool looking.

And so filmmakers know that and like to keep it at a distance. But yeah, there were people who were within 300 feet of the mushroom cloud, like ground zero and still survived. They didn't get the brunt of that 700 mile per hour wind and they didn't get like cooked alive by the giant blast of heat that comes from the nuclear explosion. I guess I assumed that when people like you hear about there being these shadows that are still there in these places where nuclear explosions went off, like shadows of people. And I assumed that was just from them being immediately disintegrated. But essentially what happens is it's like a huge flashbulb of a camera that it's hotter than the surface of the sun. And it's actually a reverse shadow because it burns the ground that it touches that the light touches uh and then you know your shadow is one of the only things that

escapes being burnt so you are able to survive uh back at cracked we interviewed one of the survivors of hiroshima and one of the things that she credits with saving her is that she was a kid at the time. And so there was a air raid siren that went off the night before. And she put two pairs of pants on because she thought, OK, I'm going to go to this shelter. And if my house burns down, at least I'll have two pairs of pants. And then the uh siren went off she went back to sleep when she woke up the next morning she forgot to take off her second pair of pants and like after the explosion her body was like burnt everywhere except where her

pants were her pant like having two pairs of pants actually kept her like completely unburned in that part of her body because it's just like a really weird scientific phenomenon like it's not it's not just a wave that like disintegrates everything in its path it's like a blast of heat a lot of people describe it as uh feeling like you know when you open an oven door and you know feel that wave of people describe it as feeling like, you know, when you open an oven door and, you know, feel that wave of heat, but it doesn't just automatically disintegrate you. After the explosion goes off there, like it was a completely clear day in Hiroshima, the day of the bombing. And they said, like, after the explosion, the sky was completely clouded over. And then it immediately begins to rain because, you know, it's like the air suddenly gets, you know, hundreds of degrees hotter.

And so the moisture in the air, like, comes out as they describe it as being like the biggest raindrops they'd ever seen. They were like bucket-sized raindrops that were just like falling on them from the sky. And it's also like combining with like the evaporated or disintegrated debris that's thrown up in the air as well. Yeah, they call it black rain because it's like this black sticky rain because it's combining with all the irradiated stuff that just got thrown up. because it's combining with all the irradiated stuff that just got thrown up. And yeah, but the raindrops are so big that they actually like hurt when they hit you. There's like fire tornadoes because everything's on fire and there's tons of wind all over the place.

And you have a lot of people who are walking around who survived. They didn't get immediately disintegrated, but they're badly burnt. And the stuff that these survivors describe is stuff that you would see in The Walking Dead. It really seems like that sort of horror. that sort of you know horror yeah when i was a kid my mom took me to the hiroshima the memorial museum where they they have like the dome that still stands from where the bomb was dropped directly above and then inside the museum they have cut out pieces of concrete that have shadows burnt onto them and they also the thing that like really shook me was when you walk through they have like these sort of wax figure depictions of what like sort of the immediate aftermath look like in the debris and yeah it's horrific it's

it's like if you weren't killed immediately in that first blast the heat just the third degree burns that these people suffered it's mind-blowing and i think what's crazy to think is like that's a bomb that went off what in 1945 yeah if god forbid anything like that happens again the weaponry that is out there now is far more advanced than even this yeah it's it can only get worse basically because people are trying to kill people more efficiently which is a terrifying thought when i think about terminator 2 i think about you know that's it looked cool to jack's point you're like that's what you think about when you think about nuclear devastation but there are movies out there that have more realistic depictions of what would happen there's a great tv movie from the early 80s called the day after that was directed by

nicholas meyer who also directed star trek to the wrath of khan and that was a seminal movie for a lot of people of that time because it imagined what it would actually be like if there was a nuclear conflict we don't have that for climate change when you think about climate change movies you think about the day after tomorrow and water world right and and the core kind of like the similar disaster porn films but yeah yeah when are we going to get a thing where it's like this is what it would actually what would actually happen if Malibu was underwater suddenly? We haven't gotten to that point where we can dramatize disasters of that magnitude in a respectful and realistic way. So I think as long as we don't have that, we're going to constantly be on the precipice of destroying our planet well it's a it's interesting thing too even in the aftermath of the atomic bombs

you dropped a lot of the images weren't being seen by americans right and to kind of give you an idea of like what the environment was even like in the u.s at the time in 1944 there was a poll that asked americans what should be done with japan and it found that 13 of you know the u.s public was actually in in favor of quote killing off all japanese people which is fucking wild and to that after the fact i think there was like obviously they were very careful about not letting people see like what these bombs were capable of because i think even at the time the allies like churchill and stalin they just thought what they were talking about was just a bigger bomb right not quite understanding like what the what the actual effect of an atomic bomb was and it's wild to think now after the fact that many of the people

who observed the ground zero and the effects of the radiation who are just like holy like this is a completely evil abomination of some kind of a weapon. Human beings actually have to make a terrible mistake before they can realize it's a mistake. Right. That's the most terrible part about history is that we will never just avoid doing something wrong. We have to do it first. Like, you have to lick a car battery to see if it electrifies you or not. A car?

That's a big-ass battery. Well, sure, yeah. I started off with a 9-volt. Okay, well, you know, I got a little bit farther. In my battery-licking game? Yeah, and a lot of times we like to make that mistake twice just to see how that goes. Right, and at the moment, what Trump is in Asia,

I think in South Korea right now, I mean, again, this is something you absolutely hope we do not repeat this kind of thing right yeah and this has been on my mind for uh because uh trump has been talking just casually about this shit casual and insane amounts of shit towards uh north korea and also a defector from north korea has said that oh uh if he did you did launch a nuke at the United States, it would definitely be at L.A. because he's like a pop culture fiend. And that would be the biggest impact in his mind.

Yeah, I think it was like, yeah, if he felt any threat to his regime, that's like his endgame. Yeah. Is to destroy Warner Brothers and Paramount and all the beautiful entertainment? Yeah. Right. But then he's going to takeount and all the beautiful entertainment. Yeah. Right. But then he's going to take over and make all the movies. I hear he's a great director.

Yeah, he is. He's got a vision. Yeah. I mean, his early stuff was a little derivative, but he's come along. He's like Kevin Smith. He's grown. Yeah, exactly. But I guess the just, you know, you always hear things like duck and cover is like what

they used to tell kids to do. And that's insane, because obviously you're just going to be disintegrated by a nuclear bomb. And that's actually not necessarily true. I don't know that ducking and covering helps, but certainly I was surprised to learn that wearing two pairs of clothes could help because that has never been a thing that anybody has ever said. You know, the woman we talked to, she was pointing at the plane in the sky, the Enola Gay, when the bomb exploded. And because her arm was up like that, the underside of her arm is like the most burnt part of her body.

It's like still to this day, it's like got that like kind of polished, really smooth look because she had a really bad burn on the underside of her arm. So it's a lot of it is weirdly like covering your skin from the initial explosion. was like, I guess, in a fishing sort of shack. And he had a big cement icebox that was in there, like basically a refrigerator. And when he saw the bomb falling, he jumped inside his icebox. And that is what saved his life. So, again, that is one of the most laughed at scenes in the history of cinema. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

Indiana Jones jumps inside a lead lined refrigerator, a lead lined refrigerator. And like the refrigerator is like tossed 50 miles away by the nuclear explosion. He's fine. I don't know that that is exactly accurate. But the idea that you could jump inside an icebox and uh survive a nuclear explosion uh again a nuclear explosion of the size that happened back in the 40s uh but still it is you know i'm assuming that you know even if they're they are bigger and i think most nuclear bombs are calculated and like so this would be like 10 hiroshima's or hiroshima's uh is it pronounced hiroshima well if you're japanese it's hiroshima

hiroshima yeah yeah good that was good there we go well the one thing that kind of makes it very bizarrely personal to me is so during the world war uh because my my mom's from japan she was born in 1947 but prior to that her her parents they lived in tokyo but because of all the fire like all the bombings and firebombs in tokyo they had to flee to nigata where my grandfather had some family that would take them in and nigata was actually supposed to be one of the original targets of the a-bomb um but because of weather the target switched and like the day before, the mayor had told them, look, it's very possible that we're going to be hit with a bomb. So they had an evacuation order.

And my grandparents, they literally played their last hand going to Niigata. So they're like, we don't even know where we're going to go. So they're just like, look, if we're going to go, this is it. And just due to weather and very bittersweet turn of events, it ended up being Nagasaki that was actually bombed. Yeah. It's wild to think that, yeah, just the history can affect people in so many ways. And just even something like visibility that day can know weather is the most random thing in the universe yeah uh based on my favorite uh scientific documentary uh the butterfly effect featuring ashton kutcher yes uh

wow that's two ashton kutcher mentions yeah two ashton we're not being paid by ashton kutcher by the way uh speak for yourself okay um but uh yeah they they made like three passes over the city that was their primary target and because it was like more military and less residential before they eventually moved on to nagasaki well niigata they they use as like a port city to get people from japan to the mainland of asia so that was sort of like the reason they targeted that town but it's also interesting to think like the influence that the obama's even had on like anime and manga too there's like a i was just reading this io9 article about it and it's very true like you talk about the the sort of the kinds of things we see like from

astro boy who's like a misuse of technology or like orphaned kids from like the or mutants like from grave of the fireflies it affects the zeitgeist in many, many ways. Godzilla, Akira, it's all kind of about those, the effects of World War II. It's really interesting how that is such a seminal moment in Japanese culture and something that in America we almost never think about anymore. Yeah, well, I mean, and it was interesting. We were really watching a video of, like, how people go out to the desert. It was, like, White Sands or whatever where one of the first atomic bomb tests going and like people go there to be like, wow, this is when like we like the world changed. And that's the view from the American side is, you know, this ended the war. And like, this is a crazy thing. Whereas like in Japan, I mean, like, you know, August 6th and 9th, it's still you have moments of silence. And it's, again, everyone's relationship to this is very, very different and runs the

entire gamut. Yeah. The way it affected American culture that has sort of been erased from history is that America was like crazy about nuclear explosions. You could, in the 50s and 60s, go out to Las Vegas and there would be like nuclear explosions on the horizon they had a beauty pageant that was like miss a bomb and like they basically threw parties watching these nuclear tests happen from a distance um like you bought tickets just to go see a mushroom cloud

off in the distance yeah exactly um but yeah they were testing nuclear bombs like crazy and it was terrible for the environment. One sort of thing that's not as bad as it is in the popular imagination is that the radiation tends to go down after a couple of days. It's not like permanently, you know, uninhabitable, which is tends to be how people think of it. So hopefully that was informative sleep easy yeah i'm really glad i had a kid five days ago maybe i should have thought about that before i just double up on that onesie yeah exactly two onesies bleak all right we are going to take a quick break and we'll be right back after this. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports,

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Listen to Spiraled on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. So we're just going to run through a handful of things that are happening right now uh start off with papa john uh fuck papa john well i mean yeah my take on things not because their pizza shitty but because oh that too their pizza also sucks yeah it's trash their pizza tastes like you have sprinkled like bunch of sugar over it. It's terrible. It tastes like diabetic shock. It's like cardboard dildos in pizza form.

Yeah. Well, yeah, they're in the news because basically after Papa John's tried to blame his huge stock price tumble on the NFL protest, because, yeah, that's what's making your pizza taste like shit, the alt-right was embracing Papa John's. They were like, well, this is our new pizza. And they had to come out and be like, whoa we are not uh the official piece of the alt-right and we reject racism and discrimination in all forms it's just funny that you have to say shit like like companies have to say shit like that right and also i feel really bad for celeste's

pizza because they've lost the alt-right to papa john's now because they love frozen pizzas and that yeah that that's a new uh they can throw them on the pile of other white nationalist brands like new balance and fred perry polo shirts and uh what else wendy's because someone tweeted a pepe the frog meme so yeah yeah but those brands did nothing other than happen to get uh worn or used by the white nationalists, whereas Papa John is a shitty dude who did blame his loss in stock value on activism. So fuck Papa John. Gun control. Just real quick, Trump has come out with a couple arguments in the aftermath of the Texas church shooting. He said it's a mental health issue.

He said that gun control would have caused hundreds of more deaths. So just real quick, taking those in order, the idea that it's a mental health issue. Why is America the place with the vast majority of the mass shootings? Does America have worse mental health than other countries? No. You know, there are crazy people everywhere. But they do have, you know, when you look at the ratio of mass shootings to other countries and then amount of guns to other countries, they basically line up. So that is just how logic would dictate the sort of correlation going there. Although not to say that we could be spending a little bit more on mental health in this country.

Not that it's connected, but I would. We could point out that Republican President Ronald Reagan cut quite a bit of funding to public mental institutions during his presidency, which has contributed greatly to our homelessness problem, especially in this city. I remember as a kid when I was seven years old, I asked my dad, like, I had that existential question as a kid, like, why is there homeless people? And he literally said Ronald Reagan. Yeah. And I didn't get it till like I got to college. There you go.

So that way to explain that to me, Dad. And then his argument that gun control would have caused hundreds of deaths uh assumes that gun control only prevents bad people from getting guns and not yeah because his argument was like if there's extreme vetting then your good guy with a gun wouldn't be able to get his gun to fight the bad guy. But there's no gun control argument that says keep guns out of the hands of good guys. Or responsible gun owners. People in England have responsible hunters have guns, and that's okay. But England has tons of restrictions on gun ownership.

Most of the cops don't even have guns. Right. Right. And it's not like the bad guys there are able to get guns on the black market and just shoot all the cops. Now, the argument from gun rights activists would be, well, America has just way more guns out there, right? There's just tons of guns. So if you create a law legislating, you know, the ability to purchase AR-15s, then you're essentially taking the AR-15 out of the hand of the good guy. And, you know, the bad guy is still going to try and buy an AR-15 on the black market. I think in this specific shooting, both the bad guy and the good guy with a gun had AR-15. So that would be their argument there. I'm sure that would be Trump's argument there. You know, we've talked in the past about how Australia solved this. There was a mass shooting there.

They not only created legislation, but they also had a huge gun buyback. And by incentivizing both good guys and bad guys to give back their guns, they took a bunch of guns out of circulation and haven't had a mass shooting since. We've tried gun buybacks in the United States, but it just doesn't work without pairing it with the legislation. I mean, that's what Australia had. They had the buyback plus stricter gun laws. And obviously, we can't get stricter legislation with the NRA being as powerful as they are currently. And, you know, we'll get into why the NRA is that powerful. But just in general, you know, when there's a advocacy group, you know, if they if the NRA was actually advocating for responsible gun ownership, they would not want to oppose this sort of thing. They would want to, you know, make laws that made it possible for responsible gun owners

to be the only ones who had guns. But that doesn't seem to be how they respond to situations like this. And we're going to get into this a little later this week about how the NRA operates and how the NRA got to be this hugely influential thing. got to be this hugely influential thing. And if it is a mental health issue, I respectfully request an actual solution to that problem. As opposed to, oh, it's a mental health problem, but we will not... Moving on. Yeah, we're not going to propose any legislation to fix it.

It's just that it's not a gun issue. Yeah. And speaking of moving on, Carter Page, he recently testified and made the Steele dossier look pretty good. Yeah, the transcript of his testimony came out, and it's a doozy. We'll probably get into that in more depth because it reads like a bizarro Coen Brothers script. Yeah, he is a Coen Brothers character. Like, the way they get patheticness, like pitch perfect. Yeah, I mean, look, this dude can't stop going on MSNBC and getting gotcha'd.

So it's unbelievable. Like, yeah, again, Carter Page. God, Gil, you did it again. Syria has signed the climate accord. So the last holdout besides the United States has signed the Paris Climate Accord. It now is just the United States and – Versus the world. Yep.

Syria, be trolling, man. That's the only reason why they signed it. It's like, we're going to get the United States. We're going to sign this thing as a joke. And by the way, the Republican tax plan removes the tax break for electric cars. Meanwhile, Shanghai and China has recently announced that they are going to phase out the internal combustion engine. So two powers going in opposite directions on that one. We'll see which one's better for the world. I can't even

believe that. We used to just be in the company of Syria, and that was bad enough. Like, here are the two countries that aren't, like, fucking with, like, recognizing climate change, and now it's just us. We are a third world country, let's be honest. Yeah, we're a third world country with really nice consumer goods. Yeah.

And finally, Ric Flair has come out and revealed honest yeah we're a third world country with really nice consumer goods yeah and finally uh rick flair has uh come out and revealed that he slept with 10 000 women what that gets a i would like to see the reporting the proof yeah does he have a does he have a book where he's he's got all the names does he have hash marks on his bedposts? What has he done to prove that he slept with 10,000 women? I know he's a 16-time world heavyweight champion because I can watch the matches. I can't watch that. Not that I would want to, but, I mean, how can you prove a statement like that?

I could say that right now. Yeah. I slept with 10,001 women. Oh. Oh, shit. Really? That's amazing. I know know but you've met him do you think does he strike you as a man who like even maybe maybe he slept with like 500 women

he's definitely a player okay uh he also is uh well known within the professional wrestling community for having a very large penis oh cool yeah wait but how did will chamber did will chamberlain ever uh have proof for his uh receipts did you ever have receipts certainly not no no one how do you have 10 000 receipts i don't even keep the receipts to do my taxes if anything this just makes will chamberlain's claim seem ridiculous because chamberlain claimed 20 000 and like when you think like 10 000 seems like so crazy and then he's like yeah i doubled that uh that would mean you'd have to have sex with like three women every day of the year for like 17

years straight or something like that yeah it's probably like days where it's a really heavy flow and some days where it's a light flow right i got 25 i banged out 25 but yesterday was only four yeah let me just do some math 20 20,000 divided by 365. That would mean you would have to have sex with one person every day for 54.79 years. So I don't know, my man. How long did he live? To 50. Yes. Well, again, he probably had sex with two or three ladies at a time.

At a time. Every day? Like even on Christmas? Even on New Year's? Even on Thanksgiving? Definitely on Christmas and New Year's. You've got to let that thing cool off for a time. Every day? Like, even on Christmas? Even on New Year's? Even on Thanksgiving? Definitely on Christmas and New Year's. Yeah. You gotta let that thing cool off for a while, you know?

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