The Daily Zeitgeist - Welp … Also Big Cheez-It TOSTADA 06.30.22

Episode Date: June 30, 2022

In episode 1278, Jack and guest co-host DJ Danl Goodman are joined by hosts of The Stoop, Leila Day and Hana Baba to discuss Welp … (Surprise Jan 6 Testimony), 4 WORDS: BIG - CHEEZ-IT - TOSTADA and more! Eight bombshells from Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony at Tuesday's Jan. 6 hearing 4 WORDS: BIG - CHEEZ-IT - TOSTADA LISTEN: Cold Man by SwardySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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impression of how my brain works from mr uh lugubrious on twitter at mr lugubrious just you know tired constantly, mentally exhausted, and this is how it has manifested. I love it. Anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined by a very special guest co-host. You know him as the King of Sting, the Queen of Mean. Many DJs are on the ones and twos. He's on the ones and hey, fuck yous.

It's Mr. DJ Daniel Goodman! How have I never heard the ones and fuckos he's on the ones and hey fuck you it's mr dj daniel good man how have i never heard the ones and fuck yous before that's very funny that's very like that's very like muscle dj energy yeah i like that a lot hello it's your boy dj daniel aka big cheese it daniel we're gonna talk about that a little bit very big cheese it although is it a big cheese it or is it just a bunch of cheese that'sIts stuck together? They just didn't break them up like they do with a normal sheet of Cheez-Its before going to the box.

Six of one, half dozen of the other. Something tells me that. It really is just a bunch of big Cheez-Its, but are we all not just a bunch of big Cheez-Its stuck together? That's true, in the grand scheme of things. Well, Dan, we're thrilled to be joined in our third and fourth seats by two of the most brilliant people doing it in podcasting and the audio arts among many other things they're the

hosts of the truly great award-winning podcast the stoop it's lila day and hannah baba hey what's up y'all how are you guys doing we doing great. We're excited now that we're talking about Cheez-Its. I know! Cheez-Its got me thinking about Cheetos, too. All of it. Okay. I've noticed a conspicuous lack of... Like, we wanted to get you on to hear your take on Cheez-Its.

We feel like that was the one glaring hole from all the stuff you've covered on the stoop. It was like, come on. What are your thoughts on Cheez-Its? Big ones. from all the stuff you've covered on the stoop. It was like, come on. What are your thoughts on Cheez-Its, big ones? Anything with cheese is amazing to me. I love it. I love both of those, Cheez-Os and Cheez-Its. Then it sounds like you're going to like Taco Bell's new creation.

This is not sponsored content, by the way. But it may as well be. I think they would have a hard time sponsoring something where we kind of openly acknowledge that it is coming from a dark place, our accession with Taco Bell. But maybe not. Maybe they're just like, ah, we get it. Anyways, we are going to talk about that new Taco Bell creation. We're also going to talk about a story I have titled Welp. It is based on the testimony on the January 6th

commission. That was pretty, I don't know, it seems to have changed some minds on the right. I didn't really change much, but it offered some texture, I guess, where we didn't have it before on Trump's behavior on that day. People are also mad that he threw a plate of French fries at the wall. But I feel like that's just straight toxic mail. Every president. Just plays. Just tracks. Yeah.

All of that. Plenty more. But first, Leela, Hanan, we like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history? Lord. to ask our guests, what is something from your search history? Lord, I mean, I've been all over the place from cute hijabi summer outfits to how to help your cat during the fireworks of the 4th of July. But I think the biggest one has been around how to talk to your conservative parents about abortion.

Yeah. We've been talking about this thing a lot. And, you know, a lot of us come from conservative families or like conservative immigrant families. And it's just like, and my parents were visiting recently. And so it's just like this three-generational conversation about this stuff, right? Like my parents and mine and my teenage daughters who are growing up in this very America, America, right? And their grandparents who come from this other country.

And all of this is new. It's been hard, folks. But it's a necessary conversation. And Google has been helping me a lot. Yeah. Can you give us a tip? Like one thing that you found worked well for you in that conversation? Be calm and be patient.

Because these kinds of conversations can go left really fast. And you want to keep the respect. You want to keep the just, you know know don't break your family while having these conversations that's the biggest thing is like that like the mental health sanity portion of this has helped a lot yep yeah all right there there was these talking points from a doctor during the early stages of covid where the doctor was basically talking about how to speak to people who are like vaccine skeptics about vaccines and the patients and not like unflappableness. It wasn't like a handful of talking points. It was like 30.

It was like, here's how the conversation usually goes. And it was just unwavering kind of talking points. It was like 30. It was like, here's how the conversation usually goes. And it was just unwavering kind of calmness and just sticking to the facts, which is, yes, we have the facts on our side, so it should be possible to stay calm for me. But the fact that we have the facts on our side and they don't see that with regards to any of this, including abortions and reproductive health, is very frustrating. And it's hard when it's people you love, right? And this is happening not just in my immigrant family, but in kind of red, blue, mixed purple families all over the country having these kinds of conversations. purple families all over the country having these kinds of conversations. So just deep breaths and calmness

and respect and patience. How about you, Leela? I think it's super interesting that Hana is talking about this Google search being a very serious

and important topic. And my search has been a little bit different. I was just searching what it means when you have dreams that you're appearing in public and you're naked. Oh. Right? Yeah, thanks. Okay.

That's a common, like, I feel like I've seen that so many times in movies. I don't know that I've ever ever never dreamt it. I might have. I don't think I was fully naked, but like just dressed inappropriately, maybe like in my underwear. Although I could be having that thing where like you've seen something so many times on TV that you think it happened to you yeah but go on so so i have had this reoccurring dream and me and hana just did an episode about it on the stoop where we're talking about dreams and i realize i've had this dream constantly about showing up in public with no clothes on now i am terrified because i have no clothes on but no one else notices that i have no clothes on but me huh I am terrified because I have no clothes on, but no one else notices that I have no clothes on but me. And so we actually talked to a dream therapist about this, and they said, like, it's a very common dream, and it means that you're afraid of being vulnerable, you're afraid of expressing yourself. But then other dream places, like other dream analysis folks in different parts of the world have totally different interpretations of it.

Catholicists, folks in different parts of the world have totally different interpretations of it. Like in South Africa, they were saying it means like someone's doing some like bad magic on you and you need to watch out and that sort of thing. So I'm like fascinated about all these like cultural interpretations of the same dream, which mine is this being butt naked in front of everybody and like doing a presentation or something. And, you know, it's like, you forget to put your, you know, I don't know. You might forget to put your socks on one day. I'm like, Oh,

I didn't wear my socks today. But no, it's like, you didn't put on anything. Nothing at all. Yeah. Yeah. That happens to me.

But with my, with like, I go out and I forget my scarf, which, you know, kind of is the equivalent, not the equivalent of being naked, but like,

there's something, there's an anxiety around look, right? Like there's something missing. There's something missing. What's going on? Oops, I don't have my shoes on. Oops, I don't have this on. I think a lot of people get that dream.

Yeah. But the naked one is a special one, Leela. Naked. Sun's out, buns out, summertime. Yeah. Have you ever had it and just been like, yeah, this is right. This is how I should be dressed because it's appropriate to our rapidly heating earth. Well, analysis.

Yeah. I'm reading this book, The Dawn of Everything. Our listeners will make fun of me because I've been reading it for like seven months, but they go back and talk. Exactly. We're and talk about it. We're just working through it. Sometimes I don't have the internal fortitude to be reading dense nonfiction and have to like go back to sci-fi or something like that. But they just had this section, or I just read the section where they talked about

how the Hurons believed our souls have, I'm just going to read directly from the book, our souls have other desires which are, as it were, inborn and concealed. They believe that our soul makes these natural desires known by means of dreams, which are its language. Accordingly, then these desires are accomplished, it is satisfied. But on the contrary, if it is not being granted what it desires, it becomes angry and not only does not give its body the good and the happiness that it wished to procure for it, but often it also revolts against the body, causing various diseases and even death. And the author, David Graeber, and another person named david was like this might just sound like somebody summarizing

freudian theory but this was 250 years before freud and yeah there's just i'm gonna stick in an underrated real quick here like all of the you know thinking and philosophy that existed in america before settlers and conquerors, like all the worst people came over from Europe and fucked everything up is pretty cool and wildly underrated. And we talk about, I mean, this is starting to sound like a promo

of that episode about dreams, but we talk about that a lot in this episode, this idea that take Freud with a grain of salt, people. We as African peoples and Black peoples, you know, have then the Freud's of the world came, right? Right, yeah. And now, you know, all the textbooks are about Freud's interpretation of dreams and psychoanalysis. So that's interesting, yes. Definitely over, I can't say Freud is overrated. My husband is a psychiatrist.

I will hear about this. But, yeah, I mean, in the grand scheme of things. Right. And it's pretty cool. It seems like a, you know, rather than just like doing it in secret with a psychoanalyst who are great and brilliant people. And I don't want to cause any drama. from not feeling like you're the only person going through that and hearing how other people would deal with it. So yeah, maybe we should do that. Maybe we should do a little group therapy session. Honestly, I'm definitely thinking I need it because I have some recurring dreams as well, but they're more about me being tickled and I can't do anything about it. And then I just wake up being like, oh, okay. Do you like being tickled in real life? No, I do not. Are you laughing when you're getting tickled in this dream? I am not. He doesn't like it. Oh, man.

It is an invasion of the personal space. I have a four-year-old and a six-year-old, and they like to be tickled, but then they'll be like, stop, stop. And I'm always worried that they are going to wake up and have these dreams where a big me is looming over like looming over them like tickling them so i don't know that's a good warning to protect you from that it's usually some weird like mythical beast of my creation it is not like cool my father or or some or my principal from high school or is it oh god and now before we started you said you hadn't under uh overrated that you were ready to let loose. So hit us with that. What is something you think is overrated?

Oh, I'm going to get dragged for this. No. So years ago, so I'm a watcher of the Game Show Network. I love game shows. My whole family loves game shows. We love them. You know, we've gone to the Wheel of Fortune live. We've gone to AG loves game shows. We love them. You know, we've gone to the Wheel of Fortune live. We've gone to AGT live.

We just love it. There was a show called Lingo. There was a game called Lingo. And Lingo was two teams trying to guess what a five-letter word was. Right. If you know, you know. And it was amazing. Got it. was right if you know you know and it was amazing got it so my thing that's overrated right now and really gets to me don't do it i'm sorry new york times wordle wordle totally stole

lingo's idea i am standing by that if you're're a lingo fan, you know that's my thing that I think is overrated. Well, is that really overrated? It's overrated. Yes. It's overrated as like an original creation. Yeah, it's totally stolen.

And now people are like, wordle, wordle, wordle. Where were you when lingo was alive that's right you weren't on the lingo train i was ignorant because i'm a big wordle head i you know i'm sorry no it's all right like i don't i don't i just do it as a guilty pleasure my streaks at 164 so i'm pretty good you've been going though you're not doing it okay yeah like i don't like agree with it philosophically i just like think it's like fun and like do it as a guilty pleasure because it's lingo and i didn't even know now i have to

go back and watch lingo you have to watch lingo yeah i too was a new convert to lingo and seeing it after the fact after world Worldle was like, another. Oh, you've seen it? Now, it was one of those things where it's like you learn about Worldle and it's like, oh, what's this? And you think it's so fresh and new and then LingoHive comes up and says, now you all see what we've been loving for

generations. And it's like, oh man. I got the same mechanism where you guess by letter and they tell you? Exactly. If the letter turns green, that means it is the correct letter in the right place. If it is yellow, it is a correct letter, but not in the right place. Wow. The colors and everything.

Amazing. How about you, Leela? What is something you think is overrated? This is super controversial and it's a big one. But I've been thinking about it a lot lately because people keep sending me How about you, Lila? What is something you think is overrated? you know, take on something, right? Like maybe it was skincare or maybe it was, you know, a nice ab routine, which I would never do, but like I would go on and I'd be like, oh, cool. But now it's just like, you know how on Facebook people post like, you know, mostly older folks, they post like the memes and they're just like, this is what it looks like when you're like, they don't really make sense. And you're not really laughing. And you're just posting. It just feels like, I just feel like I'm getting inundated with like people sharing tiktoks with

me that i just don't care about and i just feel everyone's everyone's talking about tiktok right now i'm just feeling like what i'm not getting anything from it right now like i feel like there was a moment where i was really kind of digging it and now i I'm just like, this, this thing is fading. I don't know. I'm feeling like it's fading. I'm not really feeling it anymore. And I just feel like everyone's kind of, maybe it's,

I feel like younger people are kind of fading out of it too. Like my nieces and stuff, they're kind of like TikToks for old people. I'm like, really? I'm just getting, I just started getting into it. But yeah,

I just feel like maybe. You're not on the discord. Yeah. You need to, you need to chase them where they maybe it's... You're not on the Discord. Yeah. You need to chase them where they are. I have two teenage girls I know. Yeah, there's Discord. Which you have to be invited to go to. Every time we're on something, the grown-ups, they go off somewhere else.

They go off. That's another thing. I just ain't feeling it anymore. I'm not into it. You know, I think if I may, I feel like we're in a place right now where every meme kind of just happens instantaneously. And like with so many people on TikTok, you just have this just deluge of content about literally everything. And since we've kind of decided on a one place that should exist, which is TikTok, it's like everything just happens

all at once. It's like everything just happens all at once. It's like every joke, every response to the joke, every skincare routine, every actually use this product instead, every version of that happens just instantaneously. And it's like the second you laugh at something, you're actually laughing at the old version of the thing now. And it's like, how do I possibly keep up?

Exactly. It's too fast. And which one is right? And which one is wrong? Yeah, it's like how do i possibly keep up exactly exactly and which one is right and which one is right yeah yeah it's a lot yeah you won't you won't get dragged lila yeah i think a lot of people feel that way we're here with you good i'm also just hearing about tiktok is it is that what you're calling it's called the tickety-tock-tock? That sounds new. I've managed to stay off of it for similar reasons that I've managed to try to stay away from video games. Because the times when I have done it, I experience a strange existential thing where I look over and an hour has passed. And I didn't know. It felt like five minutes.

And I feel like the seamlessness of TikTok, I think the scariest part of social media is that it takes away our free will. It's just finding seamless, kind of subtle ways to take away our free will and use suggestion to market to us and change our behavior and tiktok like seems like the the most seamless now i don't think they've like fully given over to the the marketers quite yet or the marketer the marketing geniuses haven't quite like

fully figured it out yet but it's coming and it does, it'll be the most dangerous it feels like to like, you know, because you are just in the tunnel having content poured into you. Poured into you. Yeah. A record clip. Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll talk about what's underrated and we'll talk about the Cassidy Hutchinson testimony. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church,

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on the iHeartRadio app, on Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we are back. And last thing in the getting to know you section, we do like to ask our guests, what is something you think is underrated? And I do, and I don't want to jinx this, like somebody going up to a pitcher heading into the ninth inning of a perfect game and being like, hey, man, good pitching out there. Don't blow it. But you guys are nailing your search history overrated, underrated so far.

So I just wanted to let you know. And then no pressure. But what is something you think is underrated? Peanuts. Peanuts. Yes. Peanuts. Yes. It's all about the walnut and the pecan and the cashew.

And for me, peanuts are totally underrated. They're the best nut. They go into many things that it just, I don't know if it's because of where I'm from, but I think peanuts, you know, are just shunned a lot. And the poor peanut has become just disenfranchised and not appreciated. So I feel like peanuts, I had others, cucumbers and Jack Black, but yeah, but peanuts to me are underappreciated and they need they need to make a comeback do you have a favorite kind of peanut like preparation kind of preparation yeah like like a like a honey roasted a salted unsalted very pure peanut just your basic peanut salted i put it in baklava oh and it's just a totally different taste peanut butter i love peanut butter don't give me the almond butter so much don't give me no almond butter

walnut butter whatever other butter they have peanut butter all day hey have you ever wondered like what peanut butter would be like if it was worse? Well, here's almond butter. I'd say like 30% of my calories over the course of the past three years have been peanut based. Just because it's so easy. You just spread like it's a source of protein. It's a source of deliciousness. It's the underdog of peanuts and it is the best tasting. Yeah.

Also, have you ever had a peanut cucumber Jack Black salad? Oh! Oh, it's so good. Wow. Taking it to the next level. Ay-yi-yi-yi-yi. What is something you think is underrated?

Okay, I was thinking about this. I think wrinkles are underrated. Like, you know, I feel like, wouldn't it be nice if you would look at someone with some really nice smile lines and say, that person has lived a happy and joyous life. Or someone with crow's feet and you'd say, you know, that dude, yeah, he's really an observer. I can see like the way the crow's feet form that he's been looking. And that look at wrinkles is something that we need to get rid of, that we need to hide, that we need to inject with some Botox. But something that we say like that person, you could read their life story and their and their wrinkles and like celebrate them because

i'm watching like all this i'm watching i was watching some tiktoks on plastic surgery and i'm just like wow people go to the limits of trying to trying to like erase life from their from their face yeah and wouldn't it be nice if like i mean this is a whole another conversation about like ageism and yeah ageism and how we treat older people or whatever but like instead of like discarding people what if we like celebrated them and what if we started celebrating them by like celebrating what we can visually see as like signs of aging so question is i would love question is those tiktoks did you end up like looking at the botox tiktok oh there's there's some great little regimes

a little something here a little something there they're gone it's a struggle it's like a clash yeah yeah fill my face make it look seamless like a ken doll i I just want smooth everywhere. No, I fully agree. The way it came up for me recently was the new Top Gun movie has a moment, very strange, where they open before the movie starts. Tom Cruise just addresses the camera. And it's like, hey, I'm Tom Cruise. This is a movie I'm in. It's weird, but they're just like people like tom cruise let's let's you know front load that but the movie was made three years ago like it was made before the or like two years ago it was made before the pandemic basically

and he has aged since then and he has let himself eat like he has he has like robert redford early robert redford face and i was like yeah like yes tom cruise like that that is not what i would have expected from tom cruise and i i do there are many things i don't appreciate about tom cruise this is one of them because it feels like a you know embracing of one's humanity in a way that i haven't seen a lot of from him but i'm stuck on the fact that there's an opening of top gun where he says hey i'm tom cruise and i'm in this movie yeah why like why yeah what's that about he's like and we flew real planes you know you know how his thing is like, I did the real stunts. Yeah, yeah. And he's like, that should matter to you.

Well, it's so important to him that he is now starting his movies off being like, I flew a real plane. It was sick. We were really up there. Tom Cruise is not popular in my household. Again, why? My husband is a psychiatrist. Right. Oh. That would be one of the reasons I think he's so. Totally tracks. Again, why? My husband is a psychiatrist. Right.

That would be one of the reasons I think he's... Totally tracks. He's, yeah, Scientology, no. No good. Does not work in our household either. Yeah. Nicole Kidman, maybe. Yeah. Although, someone who has gone the opposite direction, I do feel like.

She's gone the TikTok. The TikTok. She's on the TikTok filler. Yeah,iktok she's on the tiktok filler she sure is she is wow and also somebody who now is before every one of our movies addressing us and being like movies are good right we like movies have you seen those the nicole kidman we we had a recent screening with like the iHeart podcast team, and we had the theater to ourselves. It was very fun. And the one kind of group chant that started was before the Nicole Kidman ad, when you first see her high heel step into that puddle. Everyone's like, Nicole, Nicole. Really, I think the world can all agree. Yes. Nicole Kidman, yes. That gets you revved up for a movie.

It's so funny that the movies are creed to Jurassic World. It's like, you know, the cinematic classics. The classics. But, all right. Let's talk about Welp. So the January 6th hearings have been, you know, what actually happened that day. And so a lot of what we had heard to this point felt like stuff that we knew about. This one felt different. People like Fox News didn't really seem to know what to do with themselves.

There was a moment where they like they start out there're like well what where's jim jordan why why aren't there more people like they're pushing back and then i guess they remember oh that he refused to be a part of this and then but then there's he he's like but yeah this was really bad for the president and there's three fox news anchors up on camera. And there's just dead air for like five seconds because they like don't know what to say. And then they're like, yeah. So any thoughts? And then the other person's like, yeah, yeah, no. We just like, what do we really know?

There's all sorts of conservative outlets that are now mad, like the Washington Examiner. This is going to be the first time we do a Washington Examiner quote on this podcast. But they had a, yeah, they had a editorial that was like, this person is no longer fit to ever hold public office. And I don't know, what, what was you guys's experience of, of this hearing of this hearing? Does it change anything for you? Does it feel like it changed things for others? Just turn it on to see what's going on. And then, you know, we have our popcorn in our hands. It's just like, it's the, it's the one time we wanted to watch it. And we, we saw this moment as it happened. And so, you know, it felt, it felt, it felt real and surreal.

It felt just, they don't know what the hell they're doing. They're being caught. They're flailing. And then we turn the channel. But that was enough for us to just to understand that this is this is shaking them up. This is shaking up conservative America. This is shaking up the Republican Party right now. It's shaking up Trump and his family.

shaking up Trump and his family. And I think, you know, just like that's that's something that a lot of us have been wanting for a long for a long time. My you know, it's it's it's it's been interesting watching these hearings, too, because we live, you know, people go back and remember that day, January 6th. And it was it was like out of this world. It was like a film, like a movie, like, is this really happening? Especially, you know, in our, I don't know, I can't talk for everybody, but like in my family, we were sitting there like watching just incredulously and, and really wondering if anything is going to happen to these people. Like, will these people that we're watching on our screen right now storm the Capitol building? Will anything really happen to them?

Will they really be held accountable? they hold accountable the people who stormed the the the capital but not the folks who pushed them to do it or wink wink hint hint made them do it you know just like all of these doubts about the american uh justice system about just justice overall yeah and at the end of the day, our thoughts were probably nothing's going to happen to these people or they'll find a way out or someone will find them, you know, an excuse. And what if these were black and Brown people, right?

What would have happened to them almost immediately after this? So, you know, I follow these hearings half-heartedly with a grain of salt. Not really hoping for a lot. I don't know. Not expecting a lot from them.

I mean, I kind of feel similarly. I actually do watch other news outlets. Like I watch Fox News. I watch other outlets just to see how they're covering these sorts of things. I do feel that there was nothing that made me think, oh, this is the moment where there's going to be a big reveal. Because I feel like there's been so many moments throughout his presidency where so many things were revealed and people turned a blind eye to it, but I don't really see this information as very explicit and very detailed as it was about his reactions and some of the things he said. I don't see people actually using this as any sort of deterrent to not support him or to even

go against him. I just feel like we've seen this time and time again that people would express erratic behavior. They would express being fearful of speaking with him or engaging with him. And still, there wasn't a lot of movement. I was reading this morning that, you know, there was the testimony that Cassidy Hutchinson said that, you know, he tried to grab the wheel, you know, while they were going to the Capitol. And the Secret Service agents are now reportedly about to testify that he didn't actually try to grab the wheel and guide the car back to the Capitol. So it's just like, this can go on and on, the back and forth about it. And I just feel like people that truly support Donald Trump will continue to truly support him,

regardless of this testimony. So that's- And there might be these little, you know, Regardless of this testimony. So that's. And there might be these little, you know, these little bursts of, ooh, they got him. Ooh, this thing. Ooh, that thing. But like, now we know not to get too excited. Yeah, right.

About what this will mean in the grand scheme of things. Yeah. And I struggle with like whether that means that we're just like people talked a lot during the early days of his presidency about the Overton window, like that idea that, you know, the more outrageous his behavior, the more it like sort of normalized it. And therefore we're and I don't you know, I don't know that there's any like my outrage is not changing how his followers feel about him. how his followers feel about him. So it really is about like us getting together and organizing at some level as difficult as that is in America. But I think so the the thing that is like kind of like sticking out to me is that the rage thing, him throwing his lunch against the wall is feels like it's getting lumped in like the the headline on drudge which is the main like sort of right wing media thing that i kind of check because i i feel like fox news and all those places well first of all it's just like a huge amount of people go there it's just one page

with like various links and headlines and a lot of people go there and like the headline on drudge was like the don's rage broken dishes flipped tablecloths and it's like that that feels like the least noteworthy like revelation from yesterday the the revelations seemed to or from two days ago the revelations seem to be that he wanted and yes they're going they're going to try and say that he never like reached for the the steering wheel i don't know how credible that is i i do know that she as you mentioned was like detailed seemed credible was like got to the position she was in in all these rooms because she was a conservative trumpist true believer to quote the washington examiner so like that's they were like yeah she's like kind of indisputable on this but the so the detail of

him being like i want to go the detail of him saying like take the weapon scanners away like you trying to get them to let the people who are coming to his speech and about to raid the Capitol have weapons feels like there are a couple of moments that she covered that feel like, oh, so this is a new detail where he was actively trying to make it so that more people would die in this. Like more people like that they would have a more credible chance of having like a armed insurrection and yeah so it was the let my people in they can march to the capital from here let the people in take the mags away the mags being the weapon scanners i don't fucking care that they have weapons they're not here to hurt me that's one that's it that feels big to me like just from i guess more history books than what his followers are going to think. The president reached up toward the front of the vehicle to grab the steering wheel. Mr. Engel from the Secret Service grabbed his arm. Mr. Trump then used his free hand to lunge toward Bobby Engel. And apparently for his neck, like that feels like a big one. He was trying to go and be with the crowd as they were storming. And then the part like after the fact him like and this one feels almost like to it feels like bad exposition in a movie because so Meadows and Cipollone met with the president and then they come out and Cipollone is like, well, we should do more to get this attack on the Capitol scaled back or to stop the attack on the Capitol.

And Meadows said, you heard him, Pat. He thinks Mike deserves it. Which that is bad, ham-fisted exposition. But I mean, again, people are like, but she was there and she knew. So those three details of him having, it's not just him being angry and rageful and unprofessional. It's him being part of a professional attempt to overthrow the government with weapons

is the things that I i feel like are are new details that will be in history books i just don't know if they're going to matter or like get him arrested right will they right will they who's going to be writing the history books right now with all that's going on with textbooks and the history books that now. That's a good point. With all that's going on with textbooks and the history books. That's another episode. That's a very good point. They will be in history books

in other countries for sure. Maybe not in the United States. It just seems like there is a lot of evidence right now that we're hearing that seems very damning, right? And could shift how, you know, the outcome of him trying to run for president again or whatever, you know, his motives are. Again, I just feel like I know some avid Trump supporters and these details just don't even faze them.

It's just fascinating. Like it doesn't even faze them. It doesn't make them see him in any different light. Because what, Lila? Like I'm trying to understand, like ever since grab him, grab them by the pee, you know, it's been thing after thing after thing after thing. What do people who support him say? Like, it doesn't matter or, oh, he's just kidding. All boys will be boys. All of the above. I still don't get it. And I don't think I'm ever going to get it.

Yeah. I mean, they do say all of the above. They say that the media has, has misrepresented him, twisted media, fake media. You know, there's, there's just a lot of conversation around, uh, you can present all the facts,

you can present all this information and the end, it's just, it's like having a discussion that is, it's, it doesn't even go anywhere. And in many cases, which I found. I think I look at this, I feel like very personal about it because I have had so many family members, not so many, but I do know quite a few people. I'm from Las Vegas, Nevada.

So I have some high school friends and people that I grew up with that we've had some pretty heated discussions about it. And there's just, there seems to be no solution. There seems to be no understanding of each other. And we just agree to disagree and move on. So that's what I'm thinking. I'm from Sudan in East Africa, and we have a dictator. And a lot of people love the dictator, right? Like, they they there's like this idea of the strong man who's gonna take care of all of us it doesn't matter what he does but he's you know there's the respect and he has this military uniform so therefore part of it is fear of what can happen if this person does not win, like what kind of chaos will be unleashed on us. But there is definitely, yeah, there's definitely, I've heard this before somewhere, but just not in the U.S.

And I think that's what a lot of like immigrant people, immigrant families are just like shocked by. immigrant families are just like shocked by like we come from these countries where this is this is the norm and we've never imagined this would this would be the case here in the u.s that there would be somebody like a trump and that and that the worst thing that people will actually vote for this man and support him and defend him it just sounds sounds so. It's just I don't know. We didn't believe this would happen here. Right. And it's shocking. Yeah. I think that there's a lot of people for whom like these details make them like happy and make them feel like he is doing what we hoped he would do in this situation you know a lot of trump supporters i i do just wonder about the any republicans like mainstream republicans who are still left on his side if this like it seems like it did for this cassidy hutchinson

person like who went in as a loyal Trumpist and then saw this behavior and was like yeah like you know it in terms of his electoral fortunes and in terms of like the future of the Republican Party like anything that can be done to make that worse like I'm I'm happy for and I do feel like in some ways this has to have like been bad for any future plans they had because i think in one case like it's going to be hard for them to make a legitimate claim that like ah he's still he's still all right in our book and on the other hand there's absolutely no way he's not going to run just because people told him not to and so maybe you're gonna have two republican candidates is ivanka not running i mean that's we will see i could i think honestly

it also feels like a just a overall kind of american dreadful lack of awareness of history and world history for that matter whether it's like an education problem or a head in the sand problem. Like I really think Republicans do count on or I mean, most candidates, both sides counting on the fact that everybody is so living in the moment and kind of, you know, in the interest of moving forward that we never ever look back at anything that has happened before and pay attention to the faults or previous encounters of any president we've had. It's like there's no kind of picking up the pieces of history that have led to where we are now and saying, let's not make these mistakes again. And I think the GOP kind of counts on that and says, we can just keep running it because they're

not paying attention and it's just going to keep happening. And whether that's a conscious decision or just like a facet of the same kind of problem of just a lack of awareness of history, I guess, kind of remains to be seen. But it just feels so strongly like there's no learning moving forward. There's just kind of repeating the same thing over and over and those repeated phrases getting more and more extreme. Hence the battle over textbooks. A lot of them don't want you to know the truth of how history actually went. Bingo. Well, because I don't have a great way to transition from that to the words,

big cheese it, tostada, we're going to take a quick break, and then we will be right back. I mean, big cheese it. Big cheese itIt Tostada. We're going to take a quick break and then we will be right back. I mean, Big Cheez-It? Big Cheez-It Tostada. Cheeto, Cheez-It. Same color. Orange. All right.

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And anytime one of these pops up, we all hit each other and say, okay, who's eating it first? And this was another one. Four words, two hyphenated, big Cheez-It Tostada. I saw that and I went, ooh, baby, we're lighting up the group chat today. So yes, that's right, gang. Taco Bell is going off once again with this enormous cheese that's stuffed into a Crunchwrap Supreme,

the only Supreme thing, anything as far as I'm concerned, and at the base of a tostada. And it's the next thing I'm trying this weekend when I'm making bad decisions. And I'm very excited about it. So you are you referring to Supreme Pizza or Supreme

Pizza? No, you know, I don't like Supreme Pizza or Supreme? Yeah, Supreme Pizza. No, you know, I don't like Supreme Pizza. Too many peppers. But yeah, exactly. Has the Supreme Court ruined the word Supreme for Hypebeast? Yeah, we need to, Supreme needs to change his name. They do. Okay.

So the Crunchwrap Supreme, for people who don't know, it looks like a disc with a soft tortilla wrapped around it. Inside is all of the ingredients that Taco Bell offers, I think. The seasoned beef, lettuce, tomatoes, one of the dressings, cheese, and then a crispy tortilla in the middle. Traditionally, a crispy tortilla, but replaced, replaced with this delicious, enormous, cheesy monstrosity

that is the big Cheez-It. So it's a whole, it's a Cheez-It, but it covers the whole sandwich or whatever? Yeah, kind of. The terminology. No, you're good. It's just like a big circular wrap. And then in the middle,

kind of separating the meat from the cold ingredients, which that's just a revelation in general. Like, you know, you're not mixed, you know, you don't have to worry about like the meat making the lemon or the lettuce and the tomato too wilty. You have this nice barrier in between. So you get that bite and everything stays fresh. Ooh, amazing. And they just replaced that genius barrier with a giant Cheez-It. And I can hear people's stomachs just sing in an angel's chorus. It is a gift unto us

that has been bestowed by this enormous conglomeration that is inevitably giving all of us problems. Where is the cheese? Where is the melted cheese? Underneath. Under the Cheez-It? Under the Cheez-It with the meat. It appears that there is melty, melty, melty cheese. I think you are absolutely right about that.

Yes, you have those little bits of cheese just sneaking through the meat there. Of course, every wonderful good thing comes with an unfortunate catch. And that is the fact that... This will kill you. Well, you will eat this until you are dead. That is catch number A.

But catch letter B is the fact that for all of our friends outside the state of California, this delicious treat is only available at one single Taco Bell location near the headquarters in Irvine, California. Now, for some people, they're turning off the podcast and say, God, how could you tease me with such delicious information? But I know at least three or four friend groups that are planning their pilgrimages as we speak saying, get the minivan. We're getting in the car this weekend and we're going to Irvine. That's such an L.A. adventure.

Completely. Just like when Raising Cane's opened in Burbank and all of us who were too lazy to go down to Englewood or were not even close enough to the one in Alhambra decided to finally get a taste of that delicious chicken over in Burbank. I have a daughter in college and she is at UC Irvine. We will be going down and moving her in and visiting every weekend now just to try. A blessing. I did not know the Taco Bell headquarters was in Irvine. There you go. Now you know.

Now you know. Now you know. I haven't gone to Taco Bell in such a long time, but Cheez-It. There you go. Now you know. Now you know. Now you know. I haven't gone to Taco Bell in such a long time, but Cheez-It will make me go. You know, just take that opportunity. Take that opportunity.

Say, you know what? They're doing something fun and different. I'm going to give it another shot. I love Cheez-Its. I love Cheez-Its. They're great. They're amazing.

Okay, real quick. In your personal opinion, did extra toasty Cheez-Its, is that overdoing it? No. Not your bag. Not your bag. Okay, real quick. In your personal opinion, did extra toasty Cheez-Its, is that overdoing it? No. Not your bag. Not your bag. Okay. No, just the plain old school, maybe the white cheddar one. Ooh. Maybe the white cheddar.

They're so good. Now, extra toasty is, for people who aren't familiar, is like burnt Cheez-Its. They were like, hey, some people like these burnt cheeses this is the first time that i've thought that maybe you might need a burnt cheese it because my one concern with this is that it gets a little soggy like the the way that the way that a cracker reacts to soup like sometimes which i still like but i i prefer a crouton because it retains a crunch a little bit. Whereas a cracker, like, if I throw Cheez-Its, although I think I have thrown Cheez-Its in soup,

and they hold up pretty well. So we might be okay. I might have just talked my way out of that one. I think you're going to be okay. Yeah. But I appreciate the concern. I don't think they would have done this to us. No, I mean, like, that nice like that nice buttery cheese, it can

find a way to kind of crumble in your hands or melt in your mouth as it does. It's so delicious. But I think there's a thickness quotient here that Taco Bell has taken into account when considering it for the structural backbone of one of their most popular items. You can't let that fail. Do we know why

it's just at that one restaurant? Like, are they testing it out to see if they're gonna mass produce it? You know, that's a good question. Something tells me that it being near the HQ is like the testing grounds. The test kitchen is

at the headquarters. And let me tell you from personal experience, you cannot simply just go to the headquarters and ask to see the test kitchen. They will kick you out of the building. They have better security than the Capitol building. Significantly. Yeah, the person at the front was not having it. No, but I think it must be,

it has to be a radius to the headquarters thing where they're just like, yeah, throw it out there. And honestly, it's succeeding. They're getting the clicks. They're getting the talks right now from fools like me who are going to see this and be like gang guess what the coolest thing ever just happened because i'm constantly starved of good news these days and i take it where i can get it exactly it's being described as an abundantly cheesy and nostalgic yet magically modern dining experience.

How is it nostalgic if it's new? I think Cheez-Its, like for people who grew up on Cheez-Its, like that might be. But I was going to ask how it's modern because Taco Bell is not breaking any new ground here. No, they're still around. They're recombining.

Leela has no idea. She doesn't do the junk. Like I do. When is there going to be a French fast food restaurant? We can get some moules frites at the drive-thru. Okay, bougie.

A little bougie. I'm a little bougie. Taco Bell used to have 59-cent tacos. Remember that back in the day? Yeah, a little bougie. I'm a little bougie, yeah. No, but we used to do like the Taco Bell used to have like the, sorry, 59 cent tacos. Remember that like back in the day? Yeah. A hundred percent. Oh, yeah. And you would get like six of them.

Oh, yeah. Get the box. A little thingy. Bring it to a party. Yeah, I love that. Or nobody's mad at that. T-Bell party box. Why is it sounding like a Fergie song?

Doesn't Fergie have a song where she starts off like I was at the Taco Bell when I was little That sounds like a horrible song No, I swear There is a Fergie song where she starts off No, that's so glamorous Thank you, Justin You nailed it, glamorous Glamorous by Fergie I still go to Taco Bell, drive through, raw as hell I don, Justin. I'm not crazy. Glamorous by Fergie.

I still go to Taco Bell, drive through, raw as hell. I don't care. I'm still real no matter how many records I sell. Yeah. I win. I thought that was Jack Harlow. He sampled Glamorous for his song. I need to watch TikTok. I don't know what's going on.

Justin to the rescue. Thank you, Justin. Still go to the Taco Bell drive-thru. Raw as hell. Shout out to longtime TDZ regular Christy Yamaguchi for iterating the same kind of idea

with their now extremely viral tweet about you'll go to Taco bell at midnight and still find a like mercedes you know cl35 amg right in front of four people piled on top of a vespa right in front of like a broken down car with somebody in it everybody's eating taco bell if you haven't tried to go through a taco bell drive through on foot and been turned away then i don't know what to tell you for the record to them on a bike is the same as on foot even though i'm like i'm in a vehicle yeah like no you're not oh they won't let you i only tried it walking because i didn't have a bike i was way too drunk at three in the morning before uh bikes were like before city before bikes

were invented yeah before these bicycles these newfangled bicycles i was on a penny farthing and i was too drunk to stay up top what does it say about your podcast that we stayed on this longer than the january 6 hearings uh it says that we have a good show it says that we cover all we cover all the different angles of our societal decline, I think. Yes. Both the soft cultural and the political. Well, Lila, it's been truly a pleasure having you on TDZ. Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff?

You can hear us on all podcast platforms the stoop podcast stories about the black diaspora and yeah we're going into our eighth season you can also uh find us on twitter at the stoop podcast and on instagram the same handle it's so good everybody needs to go listen is there a tweet or some work of social media that you've been enjoying? I'm been enjoying these. Mark Lamont Hill is a black journalist, and I love his feed because it gives you a mix of news and nonsense. And we made both, right, at the same time. So there's this thread that I've been following on Instagram though, not on Twitter and it's Black Music Month. So he's been posting these like, what's a song everybody else loves that you hate? Or like, what's a song that you can't get out of your head like that? And then people would reply. So this is the one I love from day 11 of Black Music Month.

A song everybody else hates. I'm sorry. A song everybody else loves that you hate. And it's hilarious because, you know, people would put a song up like, this is how we do it by Montel Jordan. And then like, they'd get 110 likes and like replies. They're just like, you know,

how can you not like that song? But it's just therapeutic because I found a couple of the songs on here, like Return of the Mack. Everybody loves it. I don't like it too much. And this is the thread where you can just let it go and not be judged. Wow. I like that. That's good.

We need that. Yeah, I like that. I got a tweet that I've been sending to some peeps because it's kind of resonating with me right now. And it's from, I don't know who this is, but she calls herself Divine. And she just says, stop being the one who makes all the effort. Sit back and let the ship sink. And I know, I know, but I thought about this because I have so many people in my life, when something goes wrong, they're just always trying to fix it. If something goes

wrong at work, they're like, I have the solution. This is what we need to do. I can save this. I can save this project. And sometimes you're the only person doing that. And no, everyone else has just kind of got their heads down doing their thing. And I've been thinking about this a lot because we do stories about the Black diaspora. And I've been thinking about as Black people, how it's kind of ingrained in us to fix things, whether it's our parents saying like, we need equal, you know, you need to stand up for yourself. I feel like it's ingrained in my, by my parents about like civil rights and just sticking up for the underdog. And I always done that. But I think that sometimes we tend to carry that over into circumstances where we don't always need to be that person and carry that weight. And sometimes

other people need to carry the weight for you and you can let them know that I've carried enough and maybe it's your time to step up. So I've been sharing that with a few people that I know have always been stepping up and always put the weight on their backs that sometimes it's okay to step back. That's a great message. Danil, where can people find you, follow you? Is there a work of social media you've been enjoying? You can find me on all the social medias and whatnots at DJ underscore Daniel. You can find me on Twitch, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok. I don't know. I don't post frequently enough for my TikTok to be popping or anything like that.

But if you want to watch some old video game clips, oh, they're there. And my work of social media is, as you can imagine, Big Cheez-It related. So CNN posted about the Big Cheez-It and then someone replied, looks really gross, what we call food in America. Jeez. And the response to that was,

it's called culinary expert, pardon me. It's called culinary experimentation and it's the mark of strong culture. And I couldn't agree with that more. Thank you. That was from at Joe Clever, Jo underscore clever underscore k-e that's very funny good job uh but yeah that's my piece of social media that i'm liking and i'm sticking to it all right i've been enjoying shirts that go hard there's just a twitter twitter handle

called shirts that go hard the the one they have pinned is a shirt that says Morbius, and it has a drawing of Morbius with a crystal ball in front of him. And then Orb is in a different color in his name. There's one that says, I'm not a player, I'm a gamer. Players get chicks, I get bullied at school. They're just great old shirts that they dug up somewhere and i enjoy it uh you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at the daily zeitgeist on instagram we have a facebook fan page and website dailyzeitgeist.com where we post our episodes on our footnotes footnotes we

link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as a song that we think you might enjoy dan will hit us with the music recommendation i got you from a artist who i discovered during the pandemic did an awesome live set who i actually recommended that live set before swarty just released a new album called compact objects with a animation that goes with it. But the song is called Cold Man by Swarty. You can listen to it on Spotify. Amazing tune. The whole album, Compact Objects, is just really enjoyable, happy music.

And I recommend it to literally everyone. It isn't like, you've got to be a fan of XYZ. Everybody can enjoy this. So I recommend Cold Man by Swarty. All right. We'll go check that out in the footnotes. The Daily Zeitgeist

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for us this morning. But we are back this afternoon to tell you what is trending and we will talk to you all then. Bye. Bye-bye. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult.

And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradenti. And I'm Jemay Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts.

There's a lot to figure out when you're just starting your career. That's where we come in. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in people who do, like negotiation expert Maury Tahiripour. If you start thinking about negotiations as just a conversation, then I think it sort of eases us a little bit. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese.

Every great player needs a foil. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Listen to the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry, Caitlin Clark versus Angel Reese. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's basketball.

And on this new season, we'll cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio apps, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke.