The Daily Zeitgeist - What Ivanka Doesn’t Get, Is H&M Trolling You With Racism? 1.9.18

Episode Date: January 10, 2018

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uh not someone on twitter i mean i knew he was a fan. He was. But it's good that he's contributing to the AKAs. And we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat for the first time, the hilarious comedian and co-host of the Bechdel cast with crowd favorite Jamie Loftus. Please welcome Caitlin Durante. Hey. Hi. Thanks for having me. Thanks for being here.

What is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are as a human being? Oh, I recently searched for porgy, which is a combination of a porg and a corgy. Because I was like, oh, did anyone come up with this idea yet? Because I'm pretty sure I made this up. And then someone had already done it. Oh, so you're doing that thing where it's like, did I just come up I made this up. And then someone had already done it. Oh, so you're doing that thing where it's like, did I just come up with something? Exactly. And I was like, I had to make sure I didn't steal it. But parallel thinking, someone had already, you know, Photoshopped the face of a – yep, there it is.

The face of a porg onto a corgi's body. But I don't think anyone has Photoshopped the face of a corgi onto a porg's body. So I would like to trademark that right now. That is your intellectual property. Yes. I thought you were going to do something about porgy and Bess. That's where my mind goes as an old Gershwin fan. Parallel thinking is an amazing phenomenon.

Amazing phenomenon. Like people would always pitch us stuff at Cracked where we had already done it or then we would do something like at the exact same – like on the same day that they pitched it. Oh, wow. And they'd be like, you stole it. It's like we can't turn an article around in like two minutes. Right. line a long time ago i searched bilingual uh because i thought of a mashup of the actress by ling and the linguo the grammar robot from the simpsons nobody thought that up because it's not necessary at least yours makes sense and how are you not a millionaire look bro bilingual you know

linguo is dead anyway um that's where my mind is what's something you think is overrated? Woody Allen what's something you think is underrated? the movie Paddington oh really? yeah about Paddington Bear? yes there's a new one coming out this Friday I think but the first movie I think

came out in 2015 or right around somewhere recently. And it is a great movie, I would say, better than Citizen Kane. Thank you very much. That's a take. Wait, what makes Paddington so moving, compelling? Oh, man. I mean, the first 20 minutes, everyone's like, oh, the first 20 minutes of Up, Cryfest.

It has nothing on Paddington. Paddington, the first 20 20 minutes you'll cry you'll laugh you'll have a you know you just get very emotionally invested in this little bear the movie is an allegory for immigration and it's what has all these layers and it's just he's so sweet and endearing it's just like a teddy bear looking thing with a big hat on right i mean not even he looks like a real bear in the movie like in the in the books he looks more i think teddy bearish oh shit it's about wait he's a peruvian bear who's displaced by an earthquake yes whoa i'm just reading the thing is like after the earthquake

destroys home in the peruvian rainforest a young bear makes his way to england in search of a new home yeah damn that's like the story of uh salvadorans i'm told is how you say it uh because they all got that like uh temporary protected temporary protected status from because there were like two huge earthquakes so that's very timely paddington is ahead of the zeitgeist but a xenophobic orange fuck bag doesn't like rescind his ability to stay in the country, right? Paddington is free to stay in the UK? Yes. But the family that sort of finds him and takes him in, the father, is very reluctant to help him.

And then, you know, the story unfolds from there. But, you know, there's definitely some allegorical elements. Does he have an accent? Paddington? Yeah, he is. Well, okay. So he has a British accent, even though he's from Peru. I was going to ask.

I was like, how do you finesse that? A British explorer finds this bear family in darkest Peru, and then he teaches them English. So they adopt his British accent. Yes. I remember Paddington being- And I would say English accent. Surprisingly. For my fans British accent. Yes. I remember Paddington being – And I would say English accent. Surprisingly. For my fans out there.

I remember Paddington being surprisingly well-received by critics. Like I think it was at 98 percent on Rotten Tomatoes. It's 77 on Metacritic. Paddington 2, 88 on Metacritic. That is like Oscar's best picture territory. I can't wait. I guess I'm going to cry to Paddington tonight. Oh, shit. That is like Oscar Best Picture territory. I can't wait. I guess I'm going to cry to Paddington tonight. Yeah, seriously.

All right. Let's get into format. We're trying to take a sample of the ideas that are out there changing the world. We talk about pop culture, the news. But, yeah, we're just generally trying to take the temperature of the global shared consciousness. Miles, where are we at? You know, I think we're holding steady. It's still hot.

It's still hot. We're like at a 101. Yeah, there's still a lot going on. There's still a lot going on. And we'd like to open by asking our guest, what is something that that global shared consciousness thinks is true that you know to be a myth? That men are funnier than women or that women aren't funny. Those are myths. And I know this from my personal experience from being very funny. No. Yeah, I mean, it's I don't know if this is a I think it is a global thing. I don't know if it's super pressing right now. It might be irresponsible for me, but I am not I'm not super keeping up with the latest news for mental health reasons. I people tell me what's happening and then I'm like, oh, that's the story I should know about.

But I'm not reading the news. So I might you might be saying things. I'm like, I have no idea what you're talking about. That's fine. We don't have any idea what we're talking about. Okay, good. Great. So we're all in the same boat. Great. Wonderful. But yeah, so this isn't like a hot news topic that people are going around right now being

like, women aren't funny. But that is a myth that I wish to debunk right here and right now. Yeah. Is that something you encounter a lot as a standup? Like, do you hear that? I mean, still,

not from my peers as in like the people that I choose to surround myself with the other comedians who I call friends. Um, but you know, I do, uh, I host an open mic. So I see open mic comics who,

uh, are not to say that all of them are like this, but there's plenty who are like – they go up there and they say very sexist material. Right. Racist stuff, homophobic stuff. Mediocre white men who feel a lot of self-confidence going up there. Almost exclusively. Weird. Yeah. Damn. Come on, men of color.

Step up. Damn. Come on, men of color. Step up. Yeah. I've – like people – non-comedy people who I encounter, like uncles who are like in their 50s and they'll say stuff like, yeah, even though she's like a woman, I really like her stand-up. And I'm like that's not a separate genre. That is – Yeah, right.

You heard about this woman comedy? Yeah. Yeah. It's really – It's called comedy, bro. That is – Yeah, right. You heard about this woman comedy? Yeah. Yeah. It's really – It's called comedy, bro. It's persistent. Yeah. And I mean women have been the funniest thing on TV for a long time.

Oh, sure. I feel like anybody who still believes that myth is – hasn't been paying attention for like the past 15 years I think. Right, right. But they're watching like years, I think. Right, right. But they're watching like Nick at Night anyway. Right, right. All right. That's a good one. Let's get into the stories of the day.

H&M are – H&M, the sort of knockoff fashion brand where you can get all the hottest looks from last year's Fashion Week for like $5 to $15. They just released a – I guess it was a catalog or an advertisement. Y'all saw this. Everybody saw this. Yeah, with a black boy wearing a t-shirt that said, The coolest monkey in the jungle. And Twitter had a fit.

I mean, I don't get it. twitter had a fit i mean i don't get it everybody had a fuck everybody i mean it's fucking crazy okay i don't know how the fuck h&m lets something like this see the light of day right okay let's if you go through it either they're intentionally racist or they'll say we're so sorry we don't know how this happened and And if it's ignorance, that means there are not enough people of color along the chain of command for this ad to get to for them to say, fuck out of here. Fire whoever the fuck thought this was a good idea. We can't have this. Which brings us to the point. You see this kind of shit with like Zara.

They had a shirt that looked like a concentration camp uniform. Urban Outfitters is fucking up constantly with their controversial shit. They had like a Ganesh throw blanket, or they had the Kent State bloody sweatshirt. It makes you think, is this on purpose now? Are the brands just fucking doing this shit so we talk about them? Because look, H&M has succeeded. They got LeBron. Everybody is on, like, everybody's talking about H&M right now. And you can look at their website, 80% off sale.

Right. So this is how they decided to decided to like get a little spike of interest um yeah it's i don't know like there's got to be better ways than to be horrifically racist though like right well i guess why aren't they take just doing other things i don't know maybe they just they just see like in raw data the amount of impressions or the amount of mentions or like just their name – the amount of name checks that happen as a result of this stuff is probably – any publicity is good publicity, right? If you have that kind of like ancient mentality. I mean it's interesting because H&M stock has been like not in a good place to say the least. And like analysts, like 51% of analysts like recommend you sell their stock. That was even before this. So they're not in a good place to say the least and like analysts like 51 analysts like recommend you sell their stock that was even before this so they're not in a good place so maybe this is like a hail mary thing like where they're like urban outfitters like people like dove like you know there there

are many brands who you think should know better right and happens too frequently that it's like what's going on right they're counting on this like making a splash on the internet, but like not really causing any lasting damage, it seems like. Yeah. And we should make sure it does cause lasting damage and boycott H&M. It's a fucking shitty company. I feel like people need to figure out how to effectively start boycotting products because that's really the only way that really companies listen because they're – all they're worried about are their profit margins. Right. So – Now, when I tell people to boycott, like the whole country just boycotts. That's true.

Oh, yeah. You're very influential. And you're misusing your power, my man. I told you yesterday. You used to tweet it out that you're no longer wearing H&M. The hard thing about boycotting something, though, is that if you were to boycott all the problematic companies, there's really almost nothing left to buy. Except for homespun clothing. Oh, yeah. Well, wait.

What's that? I mean, like literally homespun, like you would – on a loom. Oh, okay. So not a company, just making your own stuff. Yeah, take it into your own hands. But that does sound like a brand. Yeah. Homespun.

Homespun clothing brought to you by Miles. Yes, I don't know. Again, it's one of those things too because it's been written up a few times, especially with Urban Outfitters because they do it so frequently that people in the PR world say there's no way you can fuck up that frequently and it not be on purpose. Yeah. Unless you're just of the worst hiring like process ever and you're like yeah sure that's what they say about urban outfitters right because they like have one of these every six months every they just like feed us a steady diet of really controversial offensive chinese man costume in 98 the ghetto op ghetto wapoli like monopoly board

game everybody loves a jewish girl the Dollar Signs t-shirt. New Mexico, Cleaner Than Regular Mexico t-shirt. Navajo Hipster Panties. The Holocaust, they did a Holocaust shirt. It's like, what the fuck? Do they think they're being edgy? Yes. That's what we think.

Like, is that, yeah, maybe. Right. They're like, I can guarantee that during one of those meetings, they were like, the Sex Pistols, you know, they, they had like swastikas. We want this t-shirt to be like our Sex Pistol swastika is how I envision that going. Which sadly today is just a swastika again. Right. H&M is Swedish.

So is there maybe something where – because not only is their boardroom exclusively white, but their entire country is like full of just white people that – I also know that European countries like will yell monkey and shit during soccer games. Yeah, they can't feign ignorance on that. Like the equating black people to monkeys and apes thing is global. So you can't play the, well, we didn't know card on this one. Yeah. But European countries seem to be quicker with that reference than I imagine Americans are. So maybe that's it. It's part of some sort of European naive racism or something. I don Americans are. So maybe that's it. It's like part of some sort of European naive racism or something. I mean, I just don't – I don't know if that's everybody.

I'm not saying it excuses anything. No, no, yeah. I'm just saying in terms of whether it was intentional or not, like whether this could have – because it's an ad for a major company that's traded on the stock market. This is like hitting their – like their stock is turning down a little bit. Not as much as when they released their sales figures, but it's turning down slightly. And so I'm just wondering, like, you know, 20 people looked at this ad and were like, you this, this photograph was picked out of probably a thousand photographs that were taken that day. Well, I'm sure if you think about it, like the way that set worked, unless they're like

Photoshopping the designs on the models after the fact, someone on, on that set was like, okay, and put this child in the coolest monkey in the jungle hoodie and take a picture. I don't know if there's anybody of color on that set to be like, Hey, I don't know if you want to really do that. Or maybe it's not their place. How old was the model? Was he a kid? Yeah.

Like six or seven. Yeah. Or however, he was really young. Okay. So it's not like the kid. Yeah. I was going to say, because I'm always curious about ads like that that are extremely offensive. The model, I mean, has to, I guess, agree to wearing whatever or doing whatever.

If it's a kid, probably wouldn't be inclined to speak up. Or who knows if their parent was there and they'd be like, don't dress my child in this bullshit. Yeah, there's got to be. But you see plenty of ads like that where there's an adult person of color featured and you have to wonder, do they put up any sort of protest? Or for them, it's a paycheck they probably can't really don't feel like they're in a position to contest whatever it is because they're like well i'll get fired and then i won't get the money that i thought i was gonna do this

job so well i think i think one thing just to consider even if they're right it's everybody who works there or in the decision making seats seats is white. They're a global brand. So you have a global responsibility. You have stores in Africa. You have stores in the Middle East. You have stores in Asia. So then you need to refine your process to make sure you're not just fucking offending everybody because it's just – I don't know. I'm God-smacked.

Yeah. So fuck H&M. That's that's insane. We also. So the college football playoff was last night and Alabama won, as I predicted. It was a pretty good game. President Trump was in attendance. Yes. And the there were cameras focused on him during the national anthem. As it would be if he was the president of the United States. Right. And somebody for whom the national anthem is incredibly important. And it has caused him to, you know, alienate half the nation by and, you know, get people to rise up against these spoiled athletes who are disrespecting the national anthem by kneeling during it and uh he didn't seem like he knew the words to the national but are you surprised is anyone surprised yeah you are how do you get to be president of the united states and not know

the words of the national anthem like i mean i think we're past that being a reason like how do you get president you don't know the national it's like how do you get the president and you're a sex offender how do you get the president because you're a fucking thief how do you get president you don't know the national anthem it's like how do you get the president and you're a sex offender how do you get the president because you're a fucking thief how do you get the sex because you're a fucking xenophobe don't you hear the national anthem like constantly as the president of the united states aren't people like playing that shit when you walk into a room i think it's hail to the chief when you walk oh yeah that's true even so he's how old in his 70s yeah he's had 70 years to hear it yeah and absorb the lyrics i don't really care i mean like he's this is the least offensive thing to me, that an old guy who probably has diminished mental capacity doesn't remember a song that even people who sing it publicly fuck up on.

So, like, this is the least of our worries right now. But it's interesting because the way he does it too is like he starts off being like, oh, say, can you see? And then he gets like maybe a couple stanzas in. Even at the beginning, he's a little behind the singer. Like he's letting them like say the word before he goes in. But yeah, then this is like one of the most identifiable things I've seen him do because it's like when you're like singing in church or, you know, trying to act like you know the words to a song.

And he's like, you know, acting like he was singing that word already. Yeah. Maybe mumbling over the lyrics. But then he also does this thing where like he totally just full on pulls the ejector button, ejection lever, and just doesn't sing for certain parts because he knows, like, I can't even fake mouth these lyrics. Right. And it reminds me of, like, man, growing up, you know, I love hip-hop. You love hip-hop. Yes.

What am I? I can identify with this because there are times I try and sing along to a rap song and, like, I'll start off mad confident. And then partway through, I realize, oh, wait, I don't know all the words to this part. Right. Case in point, Wu-Tang Clan's song, Triumph, off the album Wu-Tang Forever. Right. You know, maybe I can illustrate this better.

Nick, please drop the beat. So we're going to do it right now. Okay, so, you know. He's like, what, y'all thought y'all wasn't going to see me? I'm the Trump of this shit. Miles is the national anthem singer. Put us here forever, motherfuckers. And I'm President Trump.

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Possibly they slaughter me. So this is the thing. At the end, it's hard. Yeah, Jack, you could hype man the song, but I had to be the inspector. Lobotomy. Phlebotomist.

So yes, that's why for once in my life, I identify with the struggle to recall lyrics. But also, I mean, look, this is the least of our fucking problems with this, man. Yeah, I agree. I just think it's funny that. Yeah, it was. It's fun to watch.

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We just mentioned him before the break. You ever heard of him? She praised the speech given by Oprah Winfrey about, you know, that sparked the rumors that she might run for president, which is kind of crazy because she's talking about, like, you know, how empowering and inspiring it was. And I think she closes it out with times up! Exclamation point. Yeah. It's almost like she hasn't heard of her father or something. Right. So we wanted to take this opportunity to just go through.

We've covered a couple of people who have accused him of sexual assault in the past. We're going to try and take you through like all of it and just kind of give you an idea of where we're at with this guy and his accusers, because you start to notice a lot of like similarities between the accusations. And you also can pick up on trends based on what he said on that uh hollywood access hollywood tape and uh what what these women allege here's my question just off top okay because she was getting dragged on twitter clearly because of all of the things her father did but what's the line with holding someone holding her accountable for this other man's actions? Because I understand that she's not the one perpetrating these actions, but I guess it's because it's the complicity.

Yes. Because the people use the same logic with Hillary and Bill of like, look at what your husband did, blah, blah, blah. And I don't think it's fair to hold her accountable for this man's actions. But I can see how tone deaf the tweet is. And I just want to raise a question. Do you think Ivanka knows what she's doing in that she is trying to like subtly take a jab at her father? Is it that she lives in a vacuum where she's such an enabler to her father that she doesn't even believe what's being said about him? Or I don't know i'm just curious to know what people's thoughts are on that part of like what the

motivation is because it's weird she always tries to walk this very fine line of like half sleep half wokeness thing that it's like it's really weird yeah it's almost a line that's so fine it doesn't exist because it's like in two separate places at the same time. Right. Which you can't be in completely different places at the same time. Does she have a history possibly like making subtle jabs at her father or does she seem to be mostly supportive? Well, it's not the first time she's advocated for something that's like diametrically opposed to her father's philosophy. She does it in a very positive, confident way. Like at the RNC, she talked about how this was going to be like the most feminist, progressive administration. Right.

And you – like to the point that you like believed it or at least you believed that she believed it. And then that has not been the case. No, not at all. So I think she's – she is just high on her own supply. She just like is able to – that's my new favorite phrase. She's just able to like – I don't know. It's cognitive dissonance. Her mind is able to just make sense of two completely contradictory realities.

And when she can't make those two things work together, she takes a sleeping pill like we learned in Fire and Fury. She's just like, all right, I'm going to sleep, guys. Dad's committing crimes. I'm going to chemically Homer Simpson on out of the room. So speaking of planes, let's kick things off in the 1980s with Jessica Leeds. She was on an airplane. The guy sitting next to her started groping her and reaching up her skirt. And later on, she would recognize him.

This was kind of before Trump was nationally famous. nationally famous uh she eventually recognized him as the guy who uh donald trump and like the trump family became like kind of more famous in her town and she saw him at some sort of like charity dinner and he walked up and said i remember you you were the cunt woman from the airplane so that's how we kick things off uh there is kristin johnson in the early 90s again put his hand up this woman's skirt uh before it seems like he even said a word to her uh so pretty much the thing he bragged about on the access hollywood tape but yeah she again she just describes like looking over and this guy's reaching up her skirt and it's donald trump our president yeah that one um next up 1992 jill hearth uh had a business deal with trump uh and you know she was super excited he was funding her and her boyfriend

you know life partners uh project that they've always wanted to do and he invited them down to mar-a-lago to you know close the deal and while she and her husband were on a tour he pulled her into one of his children's bedrooms and you know attempted to rape her this is in mar-a-lago in mar-a-lago yeah 1994 jane doe uh this is the 13 year old girl you heard a lot about in the run-up to the election. She claims that Trump and billionaire Jeffrey Epstein used to use Mar-a-Lago as a way to recruit underage women. And Trump isn't involved in that, but that's like a civil suit that was brought. And it's just crazy to realize that the news is so fucking bonkers that like a lawsuit alleging that one of the president's properties was a hotbed for recruiting underage sex workers and like it was barely noticed by

anyone i it's yeah just put in my gasps of disbelief it's just crazy again right any other person typically the media will hold their feet to the fire i think the media is really fucking up too because it's easy to just talk about whatever is the the story du jour for trump yeah when these are like really really really fucking troubling things yeah and this dude is on fucking wax saying I grabbed women by the pussy or like, you know, he, someone is accusing, uh,

uh, him and Jeffrey Epstein of this kind of, of behavior. And then Jeffrey Epstein is actually pleading out to courting women as young as 14. Right. And then these assholes are talking about Trump forgetting the words of the national anthem.

Yeah. And then you got us being like doing triumph covers. Right. But like I just still – I don't know. Like I just want to bring this up in the middle of it. I don't mean to derail it, but like what – I don't know. At what point does the media also have to take this seriously too? Because, man, this should have already kept this man out of even running, you know?

Yeah. But that wouldn't stop with someone like Donald Trump. He's entitled. He thinks he has the money and the influence to be like, oh, I can squash these. He probably doesn't even think what he was doing was assault. He just feels so entitled to women's bodies that he's like, yeah, I a woman wherever and that's my right like he is he's such oh god but that's his belief system right but then don't we as a society have the responsibility to correct people like to pop people's bubbles and i just feel like we haven't

really done a good job of popping this dude's bubble right of being like i'm sorry we don't live there like this is this is not how this is not how human beings are supposed to behave well i mean there's when you uh present allegations towards someone like donald trump with a lot of money and power and influence a lot of people would assume that these women are just coming out because they they want money they want some of that money um that almost never happens if not never have like it never happens that way there's no reason not to believe these women like yeah but you're gonna have so many shitty people being like oh they're just this is just a money grab uh that's why uh these women are coming forward and that's such a dangerous message to keep perpetuating. Right. Especially now, too.

Like we're I think, you know, we're trying to move past this era of of women being afraid to come out into the open and hold men accountable for this kind of shit. And yeah, when you think about this one to the Jane Doe and like she pulled her suit because she's getting like death threats and all these other things. She pulled her suit because she was getting like death threats and all these other things. And like it's easy to believe because that was the pre Weinstein era of how women were treated who were coming forth with accusations. And I'm just I feel like we this this has to be revisited. Right. Like especially because now there's an openness and there's an understanding there's empathy there. People are willing to take this shit seriously. And I feel like we're fucking up on this too like because we got the biggest alleged uh you know sex cram like running point for the country right and it's crazy that like

it shouldn't have to be this way but that's just how our society works where it's like timing is everything. Yeah. Where since like the post Harvey Weinstein news breaking, like that has prompted a lot of other people to come forward in a way that they are now more believed than they probably would have. Right. Remember James Franco and how a few years ago everyone's like, oh, you were preying on an underage woman, but no one's really talking about that anymore. And he just won a Golden Globe. You got the times up. Because it didn't it didn't happen at the right time. It didn't happen in this post Harvey Weinstein era of holding men accountable for their abuse and harassment. So, yeah, I get like the time is now yeah for donald trump too but like it just sucks

that it has to happen in this like narrow window of time where people will be like oh well yeah that this these stories are probably true right it's just very infuriating women should be able to come forward at any point in and be believed yeah but receipts are receipts you know i mean there's no there's no anyway we might as well address the james franco thing but uh because we kind of talked around it yesterday but i mean i've read the actual transcripts of his conversations with the 17 year old girl i've also seen people on twitter uh defending him being like well he didn't do anything like nothing came of it so like let's focus on the real problems but he was still trying to lure a 17 year old girl when he knew she was a 17 year old girl to his room like to have sex with him and then you know eventually when she made it

difficult uh for him and she was like yeah maybe i'll – or said she told one of her friends. He was like, bye. So it wasn't the fact that she was an underage child that dissuaded him. Right. So – Anyway, sorry. We can move on. I just felt like we had to kind of – Yeah.

No, no, no. Absolutely. These things should be talked about. I mean you talk about like a double standard. should we talk? I mean, you talk about like a double standard. If someone was sexually

assaulted at a YMCA that Obama had worked out at once, like the right wing media would it would be called like YMCA gate and they would be nonstop like trying to get nailed

on his fucking head. Right. That would be like what the first thing they brought up and this is just a fucking laundry list like this is so extensive and detailed and there is trends and there's a lot of peripheral information that would corroborate it it's just right and people who are predators usually make a habit out of that type of behavior. Like, it's usually not a one time thing. Like, it's a pattern of behavior. We've talked about other people being like, rape is not always guy pulls you into a stairwell or something.

That's actually what he's doing in a lot of these cases. He's pulling women against their will into rooms just because he owns the stairwell doesn't make it any less of him being a cartoon rapist. any less of like him being a cartoon rapist. So there's a whole genre of these where he just barges in to Miss Teen USA contestants and without like knocking and everybody like scatters and is like, why is he doing this? And he just kind of walks around and is like, yeah, it's great. You get to look at women half naked uh that's also i think a thing that's referenced in the excess hollywood tape right um and these are underage girls too yeah underage especially the miss teen usa like which is another theme too is he likes younger women yeah it's it's a i mean he was already talking about how fuckable his daughter was when she was like 14 years old.

There's a former Miss Teen USA contestant who alleges that he hugged her inappropriately and would walk into the dressing room. Yeah, there's just a whole string of these Trump barging into changing rooms. So, yeah, he clearly had a tactic that he wanted to use. The next one is Rachel Crooks, who we've already kind of gone into detail, but he invited her to Trump Tower and then, you know, forcibly kissed her. 2005, this one's incredible. A People Magazine journalist named Natasha Stoyanov was writing an article about Donald Trump and Melania Trump's first wedding anniversary. And she says, we walked into that room alone and Trump shut the door behind us. I turned around and within seconds he was pushing me up against the wall and forcing his tongue down my throat.

2006, Jessica Drake, he forcibly kissed and grabbed her and two friends inappropriately. She was an adult film performer. And he also, like, always says the same thing. He's like, oh, come on, which I guess isn't that original, but it just does seem like something you could – Yeah, that's what a spoiled fucking child says. Right. Who gets whatever the fuck they want.

You know what I mean? It's just like, come on, I'm not used to not getting what i want come on come on come on yo come on to you bro come the fuck entitled to these women's bodies right uh another former miss usa contestant says trump personally inspected each woman prior to the contest contest uh to the point where uh she says it was the dirtiest i felt in my entire life Let me inspect Yeah, I don't know In 2006, he was on Letterman And backstage, he groped Nini Laksanen

But she's former Miss Finland So yeah, his type Then Summer Zervos We've talked about her before But she's a apprentice winner who he invited who he invited to a uh bungalow at the beverly hills hotel and did creepy shit too and super producer nick just like wanted to bring the attention to he also says in that tape right they let you do it right right like in that in the access hollywood tape i just further underlines the mentality is

that he can't even he's either willfully not processing or has the inability to process the fact that he's violating these people right because like oh they let you do it it's like why because they didn't like pull out a gun and shoot you point blank they let you do it i don't know interesting an interesting look into this man's entitled deviant mind. Well, like there's the fight or flight response, but there's also like freeze and like, oh, I'm being assaulted. Some people just – cognitive reaction is to just be like – Shut down. That's what I do. Like when I'm like threatened or like in a like scary or nervous situation, my brain just stops working.

Like I have never won a single argument with my wife because like my fight or flight is just brain shuts down. And then I'm just like, yeah. So he's probably just interpreting. He might be interpreting that as, oh, this is consent. Yeah. They let you do it. He doesn't even understand the concept of consent.

Yeah. That's intense fear that has paralyzed someone. Yeah. They let you do it. He doesn't even understand the concept of consent. Yeah. That's intense fear. Right. That has paralyzed someone. Yeah. And then the most recent one is Cassandra Searles, Miss USA contestant, who, surprise, Trump groped her and invited her back to his hotel room. She said, he probably doesn't want me telling the story about that time.

He continually grabbed my ass and invited me to his hotel room. So that was just five years ago yeah so let's yeah again the purpose of this was not just to like bum everyone out but like it bears repeating right ivanka this is a long list uh and who knows this is an incomplete list i'm sure oh you know what i mean so uh you know that's cool uh shout to oprah because the speech was great. But Ivanka, you need to remember where you are in the context of all of this. Either you are the greatest enabler of your father. You are horribly complicit.

I don't know. But we saw the tweet and we're like, wow, I think people just need to be reminded just how vile his actions are. We've also seen him grab her ass on national TV. And you've seen her move her. You're a victim too. You can help a lot of people out. Yeah, she has the platform. If she is a true feminist and ally and everything, she has to tell her father to fuck off.

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Sorry, I was talking to Caitlin and Miles because they were, like, singing the songs to it, not to your people, Anna. During the break, Miles and Caitlin were singing a song and saying they know a lot of words to it. So is this something that was on your radar? The movie Aladdin? Sorry. No, sorry. The live action remake. Yes, yes, yes.

I heard about it because everyone was like, wow, they hired a person of color to actually be in Aladdin. Right. But I know that created some controversy too. Well, it's because Jake Gyllenhaal was busy. Right. Is that true they wanted to cast jake gyllenhaal that's a prince of persia for all my uh middle easters out there and video game fans um but they are uh now getting some blowback because apparently they are you know for their background actors they are just taking white people and, you know, giving them a spray tan, essentially, like darkening their skin with makeup.

And then, yeah, just throwing them out there. And, you know, Guy Ritchie's like, no, it's only the Guy Ritchie is the filmmaker they have decided to give this movie to. Yeah. Why Guy Ritchie of all fucking directors? I don't know. He just fucked up the Sword in the Stone story, the King Arthur,

and now they're like, here, let's give you another huge franchise. Did you like Sherlock Holmes? I thought it was fun. I thought it was fun, but I don't think he's made a good movie since Snatch. I'm sorry, was Man from Uncle by Guy Ritchie? Yes. I like that one Was Man from Uncle by Guy Ritchie? Yes.

I like that one. It was family friendly. I mean, I just feel like based on his, like, you know, there's Lockstock, you know, and Snatch. Like, he had a very unique aesthetic that I thought was really cool. But I guess you can evolve over time, not to say that you have to stay in one genre. But it seems like he's evolving to not making as good of movies. Yeah.

The trend seems downward. Right. Well, ever since Madonna left. Yeah. See? That's what happens. So where is Aladdin set? Is there a specific?

I know in the animated feature. It's set in Agrabah, which is made up. Right. But that's just, it's like an Arab Persian region, technically. I want to assume Agrabah is probably like Afghanistan-ish area. Okay. But of course, I do not know. Right.

Do not ask me. Because it's made up. Yes, it's completely made up. Yeah. But where does the actual story come from, though? Is that a foreign creation or is that actually like lore? It comes from the stories of the 1001 Nights, which was a story from Scheherazade. But based off our – me and Super Producer Nick's research this morning, it was written in in like the 1800s by a European translator.

He added to it. And originally, I guess it was based in china so it's like this really weird story that they took and i guess redid for disney but yeah so some european translator decided just added in because it's i guess came up with the story and decided it was now part of 1001 nights so shah Scheherazade is the, is like a fictional character or she's the actual? Yes, she's a character in 1001 Nights, which is in American notice.

It's like Mother Goose type. Arabian Nights. She's the queen of this like kingdom in Arabian Nights. And she tells these stories. Yes, kind of. Okay. And Aladdin is one of those.

She's interwoven within them. Yeah, Aladdin was added later it's not part of the original set of stories so okay europeans you know why are they what's even the explanation for why you couldn't just hire people who don't need makeup for their skin to appear darker like people color like what is there i think maybe that they don't have the um the extras for it right i mean no it's a it's a shitty it's a shitty reason but i'm sure that's probably what they think that they it's easier to just get all these white people who want to be in a movie who they can just spray tan in that is probably what they think but they are not right about that

right so i'm sure they they could go to these countries and pull actual people as extras. I asked another director and he was like, the talent exists and is accessible and there's no way that Asian extras could not have been hired to meet the needs of the film. Failing to hire on screen talent of the right ethnic identity to meet the clear needs of this production is just plain wrong. We expect better from all filmmakers. Right. Right. Yeah. You know what? Who wouldn't have done that?

Like an Arabic director. Why did they hire Guy Ritchie? Like, no. It's going to be very fast talking, a lot of quick edits. Yeah, right. You know? Something like Fatboy. You have to watch with subtitles.

There's actually a heist. The taking of the lamp is a big heist thing. Yeah. The genie is British. All smash cuts. Yeah, it's crazy. Jason Statham isist thing. Yeah, the genie is British. All smash cuts. Jason Statham is there for some reason. The genie is dead mouse. That's going to be cool.

Well, I guess the quote is from Disney. There's a great care was taken to put together one of the largest, most diverse cast ever seen on screen. Diversity of our cast and background performers was a requirement, and only in a handful of instances when it was a matter of specialty skills, safety, and control were crew made up to blend in. I don't buy that because Disney has a lot of money. That is a weirdly somewhat racist statement due to safety and control. Like, what would happen if you put some Arabs? I think they're trying to say, like, stunt people. Like, they didn't have enough Asian stunt people.

Okay. Like sword jugglers or swallowers. Or people like handling horses. Right. If you cared, you could find somebody. You could. Go on Twitter and be like, hey, are you a person of color who knows how to handle horses? Right.

Hit us up and we will fly you out here or whatever. Or like the other director saying, just go to a country where that is probably accessible. I'd imagine there are people who know how to handle horses all over the world yeah but it's being made by disney and they don't have much of a budget so yeah exactly it's got it's tough for them they're already the cheapest motherfuckers well another thing that was making people very angry is that they for jasmine they cast uh naomi scott i believe her name is who is an indian american actress and that really upset people who were like, no, it should have been an Arab actress. And I understand that.

It does feel like that it is like an Arab cultured film and that they should have went out of their way to find one of these like Arab actresses who gets basically no time because she's a brown woman and only white women are cast these days. But at the same time, like this is a discussion I had on my podcast, Ethnically Ambiguous, with my co-host Shereen over is it OK that they cast an Indian woman? Because technically she is a brown woman. Yeah. Or should they have gone for Arab? And while I understand that they should have gone and cast an Arab woman in this role, I also feel like it's not okay to like shut out indian people and say sorry

you're indian you can't have this which is it's not fair because these are also brown people who had only one brown princess growing up jasmine was every brown girl's princess even if you're indian if you're arab if you're persian man i'm black and japanese aladdin is the only fucking one i saw was like yo that's me right like i'm fucking aladdin yeah like two different types of brown people shouldn't have to fight over a single role well yeah because we're fighting over literal scraps right you know what i mean and yeah i feel like it was what it is the first time for people who are millennials older 80s third 80s kids whatever that you saw brown disney character and that that kind of just

became everybody's you know like like oh shit there it is for the first time yeah it feels negligent to put brown people against each other and be like well what how brown are you and it's like you're the wrong kind we're all brown and we all looked up at this one princess and said there's me that's the princess that represents me so i do agree you know it would have been nice for them to go and actually find an arab actress who you haven't heard of and bring her into the light and show that these you know we're out here right right us brown women are out here at the same time it's not like oh great another indian actress because let's be real before that i could only look only look up to a Jamaican crab named Sebastian.

Right. Or whatever the fuck his name was. It was just like, relax. Yeah, and I was like, oh, shit, kiss the gal. And I'm like, yeah, I think that's got to be a black man doing that voice. That's all the fuck we had. I was like, cool. That was the closest shit.

We talked about that on yesterday's – or talked about uh little mermaid on yesterday's bechdel cast that i recorded with you guys and uh that i i should have mentioned that song because that's a song that's like force yourself on the girl kiss the girl just kiss her it doesn't matter if she's ready or not um yeah little mermaid's problematic yeah she's not a very strong character so is almost every movie alright that's all the time we have Caitlin it's been a goddamn pleasure having you

thank you so much for having me it's such a fun time here today where can people find you you can follow me on twitter and you can check out my podcast where we talk about the portrayal of women in movies and how it's usually surprised not very good. You can

follow that on at Bechdel Cast on Twitter. It's such a good podcast. It's a great podcast. Thank you. I already said that. No, I'm a bigger fan. Miles, would you care to comment on the podcast? Oh, I love The Bechdel Cast. I'm just not saying anything because y'all haven't invited me to. Come on, yes.

You're right up there at the top of our list. And I would like to do No Escape with Ray Liotta. There are no women in that movie. I know. You might as well recommend Dunkirk. Well, at least there's a physical form of a woman in it. I'm pretty sure No Escape doesn't have even a fucking, there's not even one woman who appears. You're going to sneak by in the background?

No, because it's about a fucking weird, crazy island where convicts are killing each other. Anyway, that's not the point. Miles, where can people follow you? You can follow me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Grey. Anna Hosnier, where can people follow you? You can follow me on Twitter at Anna Hosnier, and you can listen to my podcast, Ethnically Ambiguous, on iTunes and wherever you find podcasts. And it will soon be on HowStuffWorks. You cannot escape me.

It's coming. That's what we call it here behind the scenes. Cut that out. Epic eye roll from Anna. And you can follow me at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can follow us at Daily Zeitgeist on Twitter, at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page.

Just search Daily Zeitgeist and you'll find that. And we have a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to all the articles we used as sources for each episode. And that's going to do it for today. Miles, any songs to throw to? Can I request Scary Hours, Cash Still Rules off of Wu-Tang Forever? Yes.

My favorite song that's like a super deep cut. For all you guys who are ever questioning Jack's Wu-Tang credentials, let him know that he's listening to, what, track four off disc one of Wu-Tang Forever, one of the Forgotten tracks? Yeah, it's Forgotten,, track four off disc one of Wu-Tang Forever, one of the forgotten tracks? Yeah, it's forgotten, wildly underrated. Check it out. And that's going to do it for today. We will be back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast.

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