The Daily Zeitgeist - What People Actually Watch on Netflix, SCOTUS OKs Slavery 6.28.21

Episode Date: June 28, 2021

In episode 939, Jack and guest host Jacquis Neal are joined by Left Handed Radio's Adam Bozarth to discuss the building collapsing in Miami, the Supreme Court blocking a child slavery lawsuit, Nielsen ratings coming to streaming, and more!FOOTNOTES: Collapsed Miami condo had been sinking into Earth as early as the 1990s, researchers say U.S. Supreme Court rules for Nestle, Cargill over slavery lawsuit US Supreme Court blocks child slavery lawsuit against chocolate firms Supreme Court Rules Against Union Recruiting on California Farms Nielsen Now Knows When You Are Streaming Nielsen History Goes Back Further than You Think How Nielsen Has Built a TV Ratings Monopoly Nearly as Old as TV What Are Nielsen Ratings And How Are They Calculated? Nielsen Plays Catch-Up as Streaming Era Wreaks Havoc on TV Raters Nielsen Rejects Demand From Major Networks for Coronavirus Ratings Audit Nielsen Likely Undercounted Some Pandemic Audiences, Media Review Finds Nielsen Now Knows When You Are Streaming Nielsen takes another crack at gauging our streaming habits ‘The Handmaid’s Tale’ Shoots to the Top of Nielsen’s Streaming Ratings #Lucifer and #ArmyOfTheDead Top This Weeks Nielsen Top 20 Streaming Chart - 24th June 2021 Nielsen Streaming Ratings: Netflix’s ‘Lucifer’ Has SVOD’s Biggest Week* Since ‘Coming 2 America’ Debuted in Early-March LISTEN: Rex Orange County - Loving is Easy (feat. Benny Sings) Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Now I'm not big on choogy culture. Think I'll hover around like an old vulture cause I got trends inside places. That is courtesy of Tulip City Dispatch. Shout out to you. And I'm thrilled to be joined by today's special guest co-host, one of the very kings of culture himself. He is an Ambie-nominated podcast host, writer, producer, actor, voice artist. And even though it's not in that list of credits, he is one of my favorite singers.

He is the brilliant and talented Jackieie sneal here we here we go i know it sounds funny but i just really love that gang but i'm leaving you tomorrow seems to me baby you know I've done all I can I parted, made you laugh, and I borrowed Oh, that's why I'm Jacqueese Jacqueese like Sunday morning Sing along with me, Zeitgang That's why i'm jackie

jackie's like sunday morning oh yeah what's up niggas shout out to at mfc erickson He gave me the idea for that. I ran with it. Jaquison like Sunday morning, which is when you're Jaquison like Sunday morning, what are you doing? You are dreading waking up and, you know, trying to stay in bed for as long as possible.

Trying to stay in bed for a little bit longer and waking up like, why am I still sleepy? And, you know, that's what Ja's what Jackie seemed like Sunday morning is. I queued you up as one of my favorite singers and you did not disappoint. I know that's a lot to put on your shoulders, but I knew you would come through. Oh, well, listen, you gave it to me first. You sang us out. I just brought us home.

But, you know, I'm happy to be here. What's up, everybody? What's up, man? Well, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by another hilarious improviser from one of the first improv comedy podcasts to ever do it, Left Handed Radio. He is Adam Bozarth! Hi, Jack and Jaquise. What's up?

I'm not in good voice today. If I started singing, it would be kind of Otakurkian, I would call it. It's all right, man. It's all right. if I started singing it would be kind of Odekirkian I would call it it's alright man it's alright you know we sang enough for you so we'll just say that you were featured on both of our tracks yeah exactly I think I heard a little uh coming from Adam

and by the way Bob Odekirk one of my favorite singers also so you guys should take any compliments I give your voice with a huge grain of salt. Adam, where are you coming to us from? Tide Town, Hollywood, Los Angeles. Tide Town, Hollywood. Is that granular or not? Oh, I love Tide Town.

That's where I found Roadie Bread. Roadie Bread. Shout out Flat Top. Shout out Flat Top Chicago. Flat Top Grill in Chicago. They found Rody Bread. Shout out Flat Top. Shout out Flat Top Chicago. Flat Top Grill in Chicago. They sell Rody Bread. I always looked for it. A homie of mine, Joy, was like, check Ty Town. I think it's like the Shalom Market.

That could be 100% incorrect. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that the name of it? Go get that Rody Bread, y'all. Go get that Rody Bread. How are we spelling Rody? R-O-T-I. Okay, perfect. Go get that roadie bread, y'all. Go get that roadie bread. And that's roadie. How are we spelling roadie? R-O-T-I.

Okay. So not R-O-U, R-O-A-D-I-E, like the people who work backstage for Megadeth or Metallica. No, you don't want roadie bread. Yeah, you don't want roadie bread. Yeah, you don't want that roadie bread. You can catch that at Hollywood and Highland. They got a couple stores. You can get that.

All right, Adam, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the very funny things we're talking about. Today, we're talking about the horrifying building collapse down near Miami. There's just this genre of news stories of catastrophes that we could have seen coming. These news stories are all happening inside the big historic one of climate change. So I just want to talk about that a little bit. We're going to talk about the Supreme Court just nailing it, allowing slavery to be used by Nestle, just taking away some rights from unions because, you know, unions in America,

when will it stop? They're everywhere. They're just all over the place. Too many rights, I say. It's a heavy one to start the week off. You know what? It's a beautiful start to the week, and I love it. We are going to check in with the nielsen ratings uh and explain what you know where

nielsen ratings come from and i feel like they're going to be a consistent part of our show because they have finally put together a system that takes into account streaming so we'll be able to have a better sense of what people are streaming only on the daily zeitgeist where you get a building collapsing slavery and the nielsen ratings baby only only here on the tdz on equal footing uh it is a second rate podcast after all but first adam we like to ask our, what is something from your search history? Jordan Peterson. Hear me out. Okay.

Okay. We will. I was trying to explain to my partner, Anna, who he was. And I don't know if you guys went through this pandemic for the past 16 months, but it's played havoc on my memory. So I had to be like, what was it that he was so bad about? memory so i had to be like what what was it that he was so bad about and so i had to like look up explainers and and and refresh myself on on what his whole deal was again and it was just like it was a weird kind of peek into like a box like a box of memories you haven't opened up in a while like oh yeah you know so you weren't googling how how is Jordan Peterson right about everything? How does this keep happening? No, no.

No, I did get those as video suggestions. Right, right. Will you see me as ignorant if I don't know anything about Jordan Peterson? What is he famous for? He's famous for being a psychologist, like a psychology professor who inserted himself into the in Canada. Let's be. Yeah. In Canada. Let's qualify. We're about to hear a story about Canadian schools. I'm just saying, let's let's try it. He also like sort of inserted himself into the transgender debate like about 2016 saying he wasn't going to use preferred pronouns.

He also wrote a book called like Beyond Chaos. Well, got 12 rules for living or something. And most of them are like, you know, go to bed early, eat meat exclusively or something. OK, just right. Guys. eat meat exclusively or some you know okay just right guys kind of deteriorated it's like a mixture of things that are like observably true like you know sleep is important and then think like make your bed sometimes like things that your parents would tell you and then just like poisonous men's rights activists ideals he was also like had a very strange last like few years where like his

daughter like he was living with his daughter who was like kind of controlling his life and then like he was addicted to benzos and then like went to russia to get an experimental treatment for benzo addiction that ended up putting him in a coma. So just like kind of a rough few years for somebody who is famous for telling people how to live their lives. Sounds like the hero. Yeah. from the discussion about his book was that he frequently talked about in like beyond chaos or whatever it's called, that he watches the Simpsons on double speed. That's just efficient,

bro. Cause you want to know what happens in the plot, but you don't want to get the rhythm of the jokes or anything like that. Cause all that time that you're laughing is wasted. Energy is wasted. 24 minutes. It's too long to watch tv gotta speed this up especially is just like so it goes down so easy why was gotta speed this up to an episode to half an episode of spongebob this is wild this is wild he also like has a bunch of metaphors about human behavior that draw on the

behavior of lobsters okay that yeah you know nobody has ever accused lobsters of being like the the thing to model your your behavior after but he takes the interactions and dynamics between female and male lobsters and draws conclusions from that to like how you should act as a man towards women. Well, look, I'm glad I asked. I'm glad I asked. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that saved you a Google. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. What is something you think is overrated? Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. What is something you think is overrated? Well, I think the big story that keeps going around about the unemployment crisis is kind of overrated.

I think that there's that big media narrative like nobody wants to go to work. Everybody's quitting their job. And it's like, no, it's not that it's like a capital strike. So many companies made so many billions and billions of dollars. So many companies got free money from the government at one point from like Steve Mnuchin. We don't know who got it. That money's out there and they just don't and and they need people to work, but they don't want to pay anybody. But it's always framed as like, oh, everybody got used to not working in the pandemic. I don't know. like i i hate being unemployed like it's the worst i would i want to take a job but i don't want to take a job that

like leaves me worse off right at the end of the day than than not working it's such a yeah so i think it's it's so crazy to see how overinflated that media narrative is yeah very american media i think the i think the real headline is during a pandemic workers started to realize their fucking worth like is the thing you know like people started to realize wait a minute i should be earning more than poverty wages or wait a minute you know a lot of this is i'm just a cog in a wheel so i'm gonna care about myself a little bit more and it's not that people don't want to work it's that people don't want to work and live in poverty still you know or people don't want to commute a half an hour and a half to their job just to barely live above the poverty line.

You know, it's so much more in depth than you guys are lazy. And that's why we won't give you anything, because if we give you more, you'll be even more lazy than you are. It's fucking ridiculous. Yeah. I mean, something that's not borne out by the statistics. But we talked about this story earlier in the week and just like the bullshit of this media narrative. you're getting like all these sublimated ideals of superiority and like how much money you make being an indicator of like your inherent worth like basically america is a very classist society that refuses to allow you to acknowledge that it has class structures in place and so it's just a complete fucking nightmare for anybody working in like one

of those jobs that a lot of people are focusing on when they're uh perpetuating this narrative that like and then so our listeners were saying and it got way worse during the pandemic because when you add anxiety to an already weird dynamic of people you know uh taking out their anxieties and frustrations on on people who are serving them and like this whole american idea of like the customer is always right it just becomes a complete shit show so as somebody who worked in the service industry mostly retail i am here to let all my customers know, you're mostly wrong. Generally all the time. Almost always.

Almost always. You're wrong. You're wrong. You don't know shit. And it's true. You know? And that's okay. Let the people who you come to give you a service, give you a service without giving them shit.

That's why. And, you know, if you go to rest right now, I know this is probably been said on the site, guys, but be patient with all workers right now. Like, we are we have accelerated our consumerism a lot quicker than the service and the work industry has been able to catch back up after 16 months of a pandemic which is still ongoing it's ending but it's ongoing so it's it's pretty wild man it's a wild time yeah yeah and and keep tipping keep keep the tipping up please it's yeah everybody is everybody was overworked before because that was how the system was built for like you know restaurants and retail they overworked before because that was how the system was built for like, you know, restaurants and retail. They overwork everybody. The schedules are written to be razor thin, like really tight. So like you can't miss work.

If you miss work, then you're the asshole. Your whole everybody works with you, hates you. And now it's worse. And now there's gaps in that system, you know. So like if you are going to go out please you know consider tipping at least 20 at the very least 20 is now the bottom like yeah to be tipping more tip 25 and then tip an extra 15 to me every time you go out yeah via venmo uh do you want to give them the venmo yeah man it's it's one of those things that americans just like don't realize the the dynamic like it well not to be the when i went

abroad uh guy but when i went abroad and came back like one of the first things I noticed, I was in Ireland because that was an easy language for me to learn. And when I came back, like there's not that many differences between like, you know, an Ireland and America. But like the way that people have no patience and treat customer service and just service workers like absolute shit is like yeah palpable you like notice that immediately like just every it's it's just a completely different like quality to to human interactions in america yeah yeah i was home i was home recently and uh we went out to like a panera bread with like me and my my parents. And it was clear that they're like training a person who is, I think, probably within her retirement age. But she just started there or something.

And my dad just kept looking and being like, oh, she's not doing it right. Like, this is taking forever. Why? And it's just like, can you shut your mouth? Nobody wants to work here. Right. To make your sandwich wrong yeah yeah it's like american sin eaters i read that metaphor used recently like the people who we just like give all our anxieties and like social like dysfunction to are like the people who work at Panera. It's just like, come on, guys. They have to smell

the fake smell of fake bread until it makes them lose a part of their soul. Just cut them a fucking break. Cut them a break. Yeah. Adam, what's something you think is underrated? I landed on Tom Sharpling. Are you guys aware of Tom Sharpling? Yeah.

I love Tom Sharpling. He's got a of Tom Sharpling? Yeah, I love Tom Sharpling. He's got a new book coming out. I'm very excited to read. For anybody who's listening who doesn't know anything about him, he's like a TV writer. He's worked on H.V.S. Divorce and Monk. But he started doing The Best Show, which was like a three-hour-long comedy show on WFMU in New Jersey,

which is like a public, not a public station. It's listener funded station. It's a three hour long call in show. And he has like comedians and characters and stuff on it. He started doing it in, you know, like when Bill Clinton was still the president before,

you know, iPods. So like, you know, it's like a guy who's been at it for forever who's just you know started as this guy in new jersey with a radio show and is now you know selling books he's got this podcast with julie klausner he's very funny like i don't think he's still not getting the recognition he deserves he still feels like a like uh undiscovered comedy gem that you can, you know, he's got so much work to go back in experience.

So I'm hoping that like it kind of turns over. He's also involved in like, I think, the first season of what we do in the shadows as a producer writer, I think. So he's very, very funny. I just think not enough people know about him. Yeah, he about he's writing grown-ups three right now which is he really oh yeah he's about to get to the theater and see that that next adam sandler chris rock jim y'all yeah man wow okay but he is always good he's somebody that like all your favorite comedians and comedy writers are like a big fan of and like probably know personally like yeah

yeah and the best show is awesome that it's available as a podcast or at least some some episodes are available as a podcast but he's also like he would like do these weird like music mashups that i don't know he's just like a super talented dude like everything he does is kind of cool he did this like one mashup of uh theors and he was like, you know, I didn't really like The Doors until I just did that. And it was true of me, too. I didn't like The Doors until I heard his like mashup that like used some of Jim Morrison's vocals. Yeah, he's a he's a really interesting and funny dude. Yeah. Great underrated, man.

Great underrated. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Let'srated, man. Great underrated. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Let's take a quick break and we'll be right back. This summer,

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It was a byproduct of analyzing the data. We saw this building had some kind of unusual movement. And it's just this genre of story. So Adam McKay has this movie coming soon where a couple scientists notice that there's a world-ending asteroid hurtling towards earth to destroy us all it's called don't look up and they go from country to country like warning world

leaders about it and like nobody will take it seriously everybody's just like yeah yeah sure no no we get it we hear what you're saying but they just like won't do anything about it and i think it's it's a good metaphor but it's like we have we have metaphors of that every single fucking day like it's constant all the time yeah there there's so this is a one of those one such metaphor where and like local politicians are like let's not jump to conclusions we don't know what caused it but the fact that they are like that there was data that was like this building is doing something buildings shouldn't do back in the 90s like suggests and they haven't done it hadn't done anything not a single thing

they still rented out condos oh this thing they it's it's wild to i saw this story and literally like just you hear it and you're like damn but like think about this think of your sleep at one in the morning and your building collapses on top of you 50 stories you're giving me a panic attack right it is it is the wildest shit that i it is truly i'm surprised this isn't like a bigger story because it is terrifying it's terrifying and then to hear yo we've been uh we actually been you know on this since 1990 it's like all right then damn Y'all building new shit all the time, and y'all couldn't tear this building down and build a new one? It's wild.

It's not good when the experts are like, Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Oh, right. Like, they knew what the building was before anybody told them. Yeah, that's not a good sign. That's not a good sign that's not a good

sign and you know anybody who lives in the la area i think is also seeing a proliferation of high-rise buildings going in around all around los angeles and you know it's not outside of the imagination that there will be a earthquake that can rattle these things enough you know to cause some significant damage i mean we have yeah there's another kind of smaller scale but still catastrophic story like where we're still waiting for the other shoe to drop but we know the other shoe is going to drop with the uh what's called the cascadia subduction zone which which is the Pacific Northwest, actually, has had some of the biggest earthquakes in the history of the world. But it's just they were happening before people were habitating that part of the country. But they were so big that they created massive tsunamis that hit Japan,

like raced all the way across the Pacific Ocean and hit Japan because that's how big these earthquakes are. Seismologists finally figured it out in the past 25 years that we're due for another one of these massive, catastrophic tsunami-creating earthquakes in the next 50 to 100 years. And they're still building schools in the tsunami zones and shit like they're like you know ringing the church bells and fucking meeting with the mayors and the mayors are like okay we we hear you but this is that information uh we're going to dismiss as being unprofitable yeah it's like's like, we hear you. We hear you. We really do. Yes. But real talk, I ain't going to know nobody in 100 years.

I don't care about them motherfuckers. Exactly. That's what they're saying. That's what they're saying. Do you see it coming? I don't see the earthquake. Right. 100 years?

Oh, shit, I'll be dead before then. Fuck it. Built, built, built. Like, it's wild it's crazy there's another like the deadliest landslide of all time happened in peru and this is another case like in 1960 these mountaineers like climbed up a mountain and were like oh shit like the whole side of this mountain is ready to give way like you guys need to move this town and those scientists were run out of town like run out of the country basically by local officials

and then 10 years later an entire town was like swallowed by a landslide uh when there was an earthquake it was like exactly what they fucking said it was like word for word like they were like well so here's what's gonna happen if you guys don't like do something about it and they just didn't do anything and instead kicked them out of the country you know what jack and adam i i i'm gonna give you this permission as well if like wherever in the building that collapses or you know a mudslide happens and they've known that shit was going to happen for 10 20 30 50 100 years and we survive we have 100 autonomy to give each and every person we run into them hands if we ever run into them like we do like we like on site on site i don't give a fuck and you and we can't go to jail you can't do that because

you knew you knew i survived i'm beating your ass every time i'm seeing you every single time so like oh we all have that autonomy we can all do that if our buildings collapse on top of us which would suck for you know i, I'll make that deal. OK, thank you. Thank you. I just wanted to have the permission to. This is what the Supreme Court should be ruling instead of protecting corporations from. Yes, the Supreme Court should rule like the times we can realistically give people these hands and it'd be OK. If if you if you survive a terrorist attack, you get your student debt paid off. If you survive a landslide or a building collapse,

you get to slap whoever you want. Right. These are fair deals. These are fair deals. These are practical solutions. You kind of start to see the problem when you listen to the scientists from this building collapse talk about the problem.

The scientist says, it's very sad that people are forced to be reactive. We're constantly putting out fires. I think there's a systemic problem we have. Investing in preventative measures instead of reactive responses saves lives, money, and time. It's like, yeah, I mean, everything they just said is true, you also understand like systemic problems investing in preventative measures okay point dexter why don't you go do me up a math equation and me and my boys are gonna go over here and like fight some people who did crimes already that already hurt somebody yeah it's just like not the shit that humans respond to yeah but we, you know, we've also done things

that basically behavioral modifications and like taking into account, okay, this is what humans respond to. This is what they don't respond to. And like, this is how we get things to change over long periods. We just need to start sort of engineering society so that we take these, you know,

existential threats to the human species, like, seriously and start making changes. I just don't know how to, like, force the hand, force their hand to do it. Well, you know, if we do that, then we would have no more action movies. Right. No more action movies. Yeah. If we get rid of all disasters, what else are we going to watch The Rock do? Right.

I mean, that's exactly right action movies not preventative measures to safeguard action movies yes yeah yeah because there's there's there's going to be they're gonna find a villain they're gonna find somebody to pin it on like oh you did this you know yeah it's the contractor's fault it's this it's this person's fault or you know some sort of made-up anarchists organization right the fault they're just gonna pin it on somebody and like it's probably the way that the whole climate crisis gets solved is when we finally go like hey it's this guy's fault that we've been burning gas for 100 years let's get him i mean we have the we know who the villains

are it's fucking exile it's like the oil companies and like like 50 of climate change was caused by like 10 companies it's yeah we know i'll give you your villains yeah just like come ask me i'll tell you who the villains are i'll tell you who the villains are in this uh this building collapse i'll tell you who the villains were in that peruvian landslide you just have to like do the research yeah all right uh let's talk about the supreme court real quick because uh as mentioned and and there's like a lot of i'm seeing on like anywhere from the center to the right people being like well these are not as big a deal as you think but like when you like thinking about behavioral engineering type shit and thinking about like corporations and how you get corporations to do anything uh and how just what we know about how corporations

behave these are major rulings so first there was a ruling where the Supreme Court found that people who suffered under child slavery could not sue American corporations who profited from the child slavery. So Nestle's and a lot of chocolate companies for long periods of their history were profiting off of child slavery. You know, they weren't saying like there wasn't a Nestle corporate meeting where they said, go do child slavery. Instead, they were just like, you know, we like when labor costs are near zero and, you know, they let the dirty work be done in other countries and that's the supreme court's like yeah they technically didn't say it in america so we have to let them go like that's been the biggest trend in the supreme court over the past 20 years is just like

absolutely letting corporations get away with fucking anything anything just like like they are like the the thing that most needs to be protected in the in this country as opposed to the single most powerful actor in the united states yeah and like i'm looking i'm looking here too and it you know it's it's wild we have a road here in L.A. called Cesar Chavez, right? We name an entire road after a man who did so much for so many people. And the Supreme Court ruled that a California regulation, which allows union organizers to recruit agricultural workers at their workplace, violated the constitutional rights of their employee. Like, it undid so much work that this man did. And you still like have the nerve to walk on his street here in California. It's so wild how we shit on people doing real change. We shit on the actual worker

and we shit on people wanting to form unions to protect themselves at the expense of who like that's that's what i'm not understanding like nobody's gonna not be rich anymore like they're still gonna be rich i'm all for people having their money people have your money i don't care have your millions have your billions i don't give a shit like Like it's not going to change. I get that. But at the expense of people who are barely making it, who do real things for change, you take away like something that people fought and died for, for a corporation that's here today, maybe gone tomorrow. It's so insane to me. It's so infuriating to me as well yeah what is the constitutional right being violated here you know what i mean like the ruling came about because uh corporations were like these unions are coming onto our land that we own and contacting our workers it's like a complete bullshit technicality yeah trespassing basically but yeah basically the first one the slavery one was like an eight to one ruling uh this one is six six to three with the three liberal justices like being the ones who

held out but jack are you saying that some liberal people like allowed slate they still want slavery to go like liberals right but we i thought all liberals i know it's shocking right what oh man i gotta go i'll talk to y'all in an hour i mean it's funny like obama who's like number one liberal like of our lifetime always said like that the arc of the universe bends towards justice like he took that uh martin luther king jr quote but i feel like we're also seeing that the arc of the universe in america bends to towards like erasure of the work done by left wing and like you know community organizers yeah cesar chavez like when i was growing up i was like you mean julio cesar chavez the boxer i didn't know who the fuck that was like growing up in a public education in

ohio and like martin luther king jr like all of the community building and like workers and poor rights work that he did gets erased and it just turns into a message of like being the value of being colorblind and it's just like yeah man. And then Obama, who starts out as a community organizer, becomes the person who bails out Wall Street. Yeah. It's just... Live long enough to see yourself become the villain, I guess. I don't know.

Also, did I call him Cesar Chavez earlier? And not Cesar? I'm sure I did. I might have, too. It's okay. You know what? We blame education. We blame education.

Cancel my history teaching. It's America. it's okay. You know what? We blame education. We blame education. Cancel my history teaching. It's America. It's America. Yeah. I believe that my lesson on Cesar Chavez was just the name Cesar Chavez. That's it. Right.

Yeah. You know, like that's all the information you get is like Thurowit was a man whose name we mispronounce. There you go. Okay. That's it. Yeah. Yeah he has a day. Okay, that's it. Yeah, yeah. Do you guys think that,

what would a class war look like to you all? Like, I have trouble because, you know, it seems like we may be heading toward that. Maybe, I don't know. I don't even know how it would look, though, because I feel so unpowerful that it feels like taking a knife to a bazooka fight.

Yeah. I think it'll look like last year. I think it'll have to look like the community organizing that happened last year, but ramped up. I think it'll have to be like something that starts and then like builds up a momentum of its own because

unions have been so defanged and like the actual or, you know, organizations that organize people have been so just kneecapped in America that like there's's not i don't know like how a planned out thing happens i think it's going to have to be people reach a breaking point and like come together but i don't know man the the supreme court is just so far to the right that i don't know like what like i guess there's also generational stuff happening where like now even young republicans are socialists so like eventually maybe once these this is the second time i've been like once these baby boomers mercifully die off in the past week but you know once they once they go away maybe things will start to i don't know resemble move move in a different direction i mean you know like we're literally talking about child slavery here

and we're literally talking about not giving people their rights to care about themselves like this is what we're talking the supreme court is ruling against these things yeah it's just like it's 2021 and you would think the the better part of us as a humanity would realize, even if you're Republican or Democrat or liberal or conservative, whatever it is, that like children shouldn't be children shouldn't be slaves. They shouldn't be working under bad conditions. They shouldn't be working at all you know and for a party that cares so much about life and pro-life and all these things it's you know it's it's so cliche but it's so true that they care about you know life up until they pop out of their moms and you know into the real world then it's like all right two fingers motherfucker like you know it's it's so wild it's so wild i don't yeah i mean so the child slavery thing

like is the the thing that it's taken away is the ability for them to sue corporations and corporations are inherently like designed to be institutions that create value for their shareholders so it is their job to use whatever the cheapest form of like the system is designed to take advantage of child slavery and foreign markets and then just to like give a little more detail on the unionizing thing like what unions were able to do was come to farms to organize people because that was the only place that you could actually reach workers because these corporations would bus people in from off location and you couldn't reach them through the newspaper a lot of times because maybe they didn't speak English, all sorts of institutional reasons that they were hard to organize.

So you needed to be able to come onto the farms to actually reach the workers and tell them what their rights were. And this is going to make it so that corporations, once again, like they just no longer need to allow that to happen. So it once again becomes like their duty as like shareholder value creators to just fucking treat people like shit like that is the bottom line of what of what these rulings mean yeah the language of law you know how like like legalese that it for lack of a better term i feel

like the language of the law here in in the United States does a lot to distance you from the human reality of things. Like it is as simple as you're saying, that it's it's child slavery. It's child slavery. What kind of decision are you going to make a decision that perpetuates child slavery? But then when you get into a long long days-long legal argument with the that's sort of you know the language of you know i can't even speak it because i'm just a dumb comedian but like it all of that highfalutin you know dispassionate non-humanitarian language goes

a long way to going like well of course we should give more rights to, to corporations because you know, their corporations are bigger than us. So they deserve better rights or whatever the fuck is going on in their head. It's just, it's, it's so antisocial. It's so antisocial. Yeah.

If you made it like whatever the fucking logic is, the Supreme court is using, if you made it so that these people could come back and sue a company after they profited off of like treating them or you know using their slave labor then the corporation is going to spend a shitload of money to make sure that shit doesn't happen anymore and now instead they're going to spend a shitload of money just ignoring that problem so instead of using like american capitalism for good, we've just sort of passed the buck. All right, let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk

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of this show and it's mostly been based on you know people trying to read the tea leaves based on like what's trending on netflix what's trending on prime like all these various things and then there were some services that like took people's internal numbers and also nielsen did have a a measurement service that used the audio from tvs like audio tracking devices on tvs to like read what like what the ratings were for streaming content but it was all like very roundabout and not very good so this is i this is like me introducing the fact that i think i'll definitely be talking more about nielsen ratings just because i'm you know i think it's the show's duty to like figure out what people are watching and what people are thinking about that's like what the what the zeitgeist is yeah can i can i go off for a minute yes please please it is insane

to me that in the year of our lord 2021 that we still like networks still base a show's survival off of people sitting down and watching shit live. People have not been watching things live since like 2009. That trend has been going downward on a consistent basis. Now, I'm not saying people don't watch things live. I know there is still a huge contingency of people in middle America and not on the coast or older people who still sit down, watch their movies like it's 1980 or watch their TV shows like it's 1983 commercials and all. But, you know, most of us don't. And I'm thinking of a show like Manifest. I don't know if any of the Zeit gang is Manifest fans, but I was. NBC, which stands for nothing but cancellations, just canceled their show,

but nothing but cancellations. Just canceled their show. Canceled that show that just released on Netflix and sat at number one in the entire fucking country as the most watched show on Netflix for a week and a half, and NBC canceled it. They canceled it while it was at number one. While it was at number one. And I'm just like, I don't understand how people, how some of these networks don't.

And I get it. I get it. Don't come to my DMs like I don't understand it. I'm in entertainment. I understand better than 95% of the Zeit gang. I get it. But like I get it's advertising. I fucking get it. I still don't understand how we can say a show is not popular when 2.1 million watch it on TV and then 15 million and watch it on Netflix or Hulu.

That show is fucking popular as hell. Like it infuriates me. So I'm so happy that Nielsen has finally woken up from their long dirt nap that they've been taking and are deciding to incorporate streaming into their goddamn numbers it's insane i mean i've always been shocked at how just ass backwards and like retrograde the tv rating systems were like for a long time so let's just do a quick history of nielsen ratings so do it nielsen actually began as a company in 1923 measuring the quote quality of conveyor belts and turbine generators the television of its day yes exactly i always just sat around and watched turbines and uh only 10 million people were watching those turbines.

Cancel it. Then in 1950, they started measuring TV audiences. And at first, they were just doing it with paper diaries that had to be filled out by families. And this was supervised because it was often just like the mom would do it. They didn't start doing an electronic people meter until the 80s. So for 30 years, TV ratings were purely based on like mail-in like response from people being like,

well, here's what we watched. And then in the 80s, it was like still, I think partially based on that. It was like wild. And no matter what, like from the start, Nielsen has been based on like a small number of people's responses to those queries like those mail-in things or you know if they are one of the families with a nielsen box but it's still like a very small portion and they're just then extrapolating based on those families like

to say well that must mean that like this number right of people were watching tv like if a hundred thousand people are in this nielsen like survey for a show and and and like 20 000 people watch the show then they'll just up convert that number to well this must mean 2.1 million people watch this show tonight and like that that sounds stupid it's and that's been what it is from the start from the start very beginning yeah so recently like as or as recent as like earlier this year, Nielsen was kind of feuding with streaming networks for undercounting viewership because during the pandemic, they weren't sending field field agents to check on the boxes. Like that's the level of like antiquated it is, is that they had people like your local nielsen delivery guy who would like come up and like check the back of your box like it was a fucking gas meter and then like that's how you would know like what people were watching and so because they weren't sending people out nielsen

was just like people must not be watching tv i don't know how the fuck that happened and like i mean listen i'm not a liar but if one of my favorite shows was on the bubble i'll come in and be like oh yeah man every house in uh every house in illinois is watching hango and mr cooper today man yeah everybody going to keep that alive go ahead and keep take that off the bubble like you can't it's just it is it's so it's so it's funny it's funny it is so finally uh they recently announced their new method to measure streaming numbers. And this is why I'm very excited is because this method, at least just at the very like, you know, idea phase actually makes sense. they were figuring out what people were streaming was using audio recognition software in the Nielsen boxes. So it was only capturing like what was being watched on TV and Netflix was like, actually most of our shit is watched on like laptops and phones. So what are you talking

about? Anyways, this thing called the gauge actually measures internet traffic through the router. So as long as you're watching a show on Wi-Fi, it will capture that. There are some big flaws with the tech, namely that it still only measures TVs, which is insane, but they're at least starting to

capture what people are watching. And it's like five weeks of data, but the five weeks of data is still pretty interesting. Like Handmaid's tale you guys very popular you guys how how how how i know for season four that this is going to spell uh a disaster for netflix especially who's been who just keeps their numbers to themselves and has been very like private about their like viewership numbers i don't personally kind of reminds it reminds me of the uh the facebook thing that was going on when like you know digital video was such a huge thing and people were making all the advertising deals that were going on for

digital video because facebook would report certain numbers for for certain things but those were all either inflated or improperly recorded or something like that. And it just led to a huge crash of the, you know, like online video world. And that just completely like went away overnight. And it feels like this could happen if Netflix is as like, has been cagey about certain things, you know, for more than they might let on. I was also surprised in the article that you guys pulled that Disney Plus

only has 1% of the streaming share. Interesting. Disney Plus is low. HBO Max is apparently really low. Very low. Mayor of East Town never broke into the top 10, even though it was a massively buzzy show that everybody was talking about. I think that's more indication to, you know, was popular on that on on Twitter is not necessarily indicative of what's popular in the world.

And, you know, one day we'll get that in every facet of life, politics, sports, everything, you know. But that's another conversation for another day. To answer your question, Adam, I don't think Netflix cares. Let me put on my tinfoil hat real quick. Netflix is like everybody's like, oh, is Netflix worried because people are pulling their content and putting it on their own streaming service? Which is funny to me because Netflix is the model for that, which is why people, you know, Edgar, former co-host of Culture Kings, said something to me that always stuck with me about Netflix. And it's like, Adam, if you gave me your dog to walk every day because you didn't feel like walking it and I walked it and in the process of me walking

your dog, I started to realize that people like really liked your dog and like your dog start doing tricks. And I let your dog do tricks and I would get paid money for your dog doing tricks. So I would take your dog on a walk every day, have him do tricks, pocket the money. And you realize like, hold on, motherfucker, give me my dog back. I want to make money, too. Like that's what's happening with like a lot of these streaming services like they have realized what netflix had it was like all right let's do it netflix doesn't care about it anymore netflix is trying to become a production company which they very much are already and they are a production company that is very unique in the way that all of their stuff that they produce,

their movies and things like that, is all regulated to just Netflix. So all the numbers and everything that they have, which is why they don't care about people sharing passwords, is why they don't care about, it's not about, they are building their cachet up to be the next Paramount, to be the next Universal, to be the next Warner Brothers. And I think all the other shit, they just don't care about because, you know, as long as people are subscribing,

it's all good. When you look at the actual numbers and, like, the top 10, it seems like when there's a hit show or a hit movie, like, Coming to America 2 was actually a massive hit. Borat was a massive hit for, like, a and the handmaid's tale like these shows are big hits that like pop up and like will hit number one for a couple weeks but everything else like netflix is the default all the like who killed sarah was like this show that had been out for like six weeks that was at number two the week that the handmaid's tale uh premiered like jupiter's legacy heard of it right jupiter's

legacy was a show that they canceled after like three weeks that was at number three like there they are i i think these numbers have revealed that actually netflix like has a huge market share and then like other companies are kind of playing for a second and it's just like a week to week thing but like for instance they still operating at a loss i think so yeah probably yeah i mean they're debt spending like crazy like they yeah Yeah. And then every year they always promote like, here's a new most expensive show ever made. It was Altered Carbon. And I think they're doing the same kind of marketing thing

with the upcoming Cowboy Bebop live action remake that it's the most expensive television show ever made. And it's like, well, how are you doing that? Yeah. Netflix is pretty much the Thanos of the streaming. Like, it's the end game. It's the long game. You know, it's the long game.

That's all that matters. And then once they finally succeed, you know, once they blip half of the streaming services off the map, then they'll just sit down in a field and look out into the to the grass and the sun and smile and then the movie will end like they are that is netflix like they they'll operate at a loss they'll spend all the money like they're looking at the long game and you know what i fuck with it i've waited yeah the way they get your tv show to disappear is by you know the uh paramount plus taking it and like making people watch it on

paramount plus that's like okay and nobody watches that anymore yeah nobody like yeah it was like well shit i guess I'm done watching The Office. Yeah, you know, it really seems to be the way it is. So just like some surprise things. So I always talk about how Amazon Prime, like there's all these like good shows that are being hidden on Amazon Prime. Amazon Prime is the University of Kentucky basketball team of streaming services. And that like these amazing talents are just there and like don't even play because john calipari is a shitty coach and so i i talk about like patriot is a big show that like i've watched i know a lot of people have watched and liked and like nobody

really has seen it like barely has its own wikipedia page so the underground railroad uh which is barry jenkins's new kind of anthology or not anthology series it's a series is actually breaking into the top 10 so like that's just super impressive and i think you know people should should be watching that and uh i'm gonna watch it for jack's streaming corner I'll talk about it on the show. But that's just kind of impressive that it even made it that far. The other thing you're noticing is like just how much of an advantage TV shows have because the way that they measure everything is in minutes viewed. And so like a movie will occasionally go to number one, like I was saying with Coming to America 2. The most recent weeks that we have data for Zack Snyder's Army of the Dead has like performed extremely well. But then like eventually they'll fade away.

So like that makes sense of like the direction that content creation has gone and like the amount of money that they put into cowboy bebop and you know altered carbon and shit like that because you know the more minutes you have the the better but i i do also think that that like we shouldn't lose sight of the power of movies because like this is not taking into account like how many people have actually watched movies because it's like if 10 times the number of people watch moana then watch the handmaid's tale moana still won't make the top 10 and handmaid's tale will be at number one based off just episodes alone yeah just the number of minutes yeah so just like looking at the five weeks that we have so far mitchell's versus the machines seems to be another piece of pop culture that has been seen by enough

people is like a you know many hundred millions of dollars sized hit in terms of the number of people who saw it i don't know if you guys saw that i I didn't, but I want to watch it. I will. Yeah, it's good. It's like a good family movie. Also, Moana is still queen. She's that movie is still in the top 10 movies streamed this week, despite the fact that it's like nothing happened. Yeah, they didn't like release new scenes or something. It's just been there. It's because parents are lazy today. You know what I'm saying?

Parents just say, kid, I don't want to raise you watch disney plus and just watch moana that's the joke but as opposed to as opposed to my parents who let me watch jaws a hundred times before i was five years old but i also want to talk about this show that i don't know much about that is like frequently in the top 10 on these uh nielsen streaming ratings and that is lucifer uh jakeese i know you are familiar with lucifer what can you what can you tell us let me tell y'all a little bit about lucifer lucifer is dope as shit all right so lucifer was actually one of those shows that was on Fox that got canceled and Netflix saved. So it was a safe show. First, let me just say Lucifer is about the devil, Lucifer, who comes to Earth. But he's actually a good guy. He's still an angel.

So it really is a cool show because it takes the mythology of those of those characters, Luc god all the angels and really teaches you the mythology beyond just what religious people want us to know which is god good devil bad right right and so it's so fun and lucifer's a detective's consultant with the lapd which is very funny he's got to know where the action is yeah Yeah, he helps solve crimes. He's also like, he's always fucking, he loves drinking. He never lies. Like, it's such a fun show. And it was really fun on Fox too. But the thing about Fox, or not Fox, but the old TV model used to be, you get 20 plus episodes in the season, right? And when that was the case, 20 plus episodes of an hour long show is a lot of fucking content.

So it's a lot of filler while they're trying to tell their overall story of the season. So when it came to Netflix, they bumped that down to 10, 13, 16 episodes, which means they can just tell a complete story. And the show has gotten so much better on Netflix. And it was even it was good on Fox Fox but it's gotten so much better on Netflix because now they can do stuff like Curse they can show booty they can like actually tell one story and tell it very succinctly without a lot of filler excuse me without a lot of filler I understand I'm crying to show you feel very strongly about it I'm crying man I'm crying this season this past season too I watched it with a homie of mine shout out allison who there was moments we like cried tears like i cried you know i cried these thug tears but

they were still tears nonetheless and it was it was fucking great it's a good show dennis haybert is god in this show which is. It is such a fun show. If you have not watched Lucifer, please watch it. The first three seasons are still very good. They are long. But once you get to season four, when it came to Netflix,

the show is going to take off in a way that you're like, this is one of the best shows on TV right now. So definitely check out Lucifer. It's good. It's very good i mean the doubt you like can't miss with making the devil like the protagonist of your show or epic poem or rock song like it's just nothing but classics there and you root form like you root for i don't want to give too much away in case anybody's gonna watch it but you root form because

like you forget the mythology or i forget the mythology i don't know to give too much away in case anybody's going to watch it, but you root for him because you forget the mythology. Well, I forget the mythology. I don't know if anybody's out there devil-caping, which you are. Fantastic. But you forget he's an angel. He's an angel. He's actually God's son. So they really have fun with that mythology in this show.

It's dope. It's a good-ass show. I recommend it highly. Yeah. And I'm going to recommend Paradise Lost by John Milton. People can check that out. Also a very good devil

sympathetic. Netflix's Paradise Lost. What you recommend, Adam? What's the show that we should be watching that you recommend? Well, I'm nothing very current. Since the beginning of Pandemic, I, I'm nothing very current. Since the beginning of pandemic, I went all in on Star Trek.

I had never seen it. And then now I'm wrapping up Deep Space Nine. And I don't know if you guys have seen any Star Trek or not, but I really- I've seen it, I've seen it a little bit. I really like Deep Space Nine because it's like, well, the next generation is very like, you know, good guys win, bad guys die sort of thing, you know, like and you get kind of weird. But like Deep Space Nine is like, you know, the bad guys are sometimes good and the good guys are sometimes bad.

And you're left often with moral ambiguity at the end. And it feels more like a show for adults than you know a family show And Avery Brooks is one of the most fascinating actors I've ever seen You know on big screen small screen as Captain Sisko He's got a very strange weird energy that is so captivating So if you have any familiarity with Star Trek, check out Deep Space Nine. Recommendation from the 90s. Hell yeah.

And that is not streaming on Netflix, as far as I can tell. Damn. It is. Oh, it is? I'm watching it? Oh, there you go. I don't know why,

but Paramount has let all the Star Trek stuff stay up on streaming all around. I think it's just... I don't know. I'm waiting for the day where it's just gone and is only on Paramount Plus. And you'll not watch it anymore. Yeah, and then I'm done. Then you're done.

Well, Adam, Jakeese, it's been such a pleasure having both you guys on today. Adam, where can people find you, follow you, hear you, all that good stuff? You can follow me on Twitter at Adam Bozars. You should listen to my show,

Left-Handed Radio. It's not that long. It's very funny. I do it with my partner in all things, Anna Rubinova. We've been doing it for about since 2010 with some breaks here and there.

But if you guys like the show, I hope you like my show. Hell yeah. Go check it out. Listen, I got respect for anybody that has kept their show around since 2010. We hit 300 episodes of Culture Kings, and we was like, two fingers, niggas, we done. Like, so huge respect respect definitely check that out there there's great there's like two three four five year long breaks here and there but uh yeah we like reinvigorated it and yeah we

brought it back in the pandemic and doing it weekly we used to do it monthly it was like a hour long we used to do like album length sketch comedy episodes once a month and then we decided to start just releasing one sketch every week and it's been a lot of fun and we've been trying to take it as weird places as we can so love it left-handed radio.com yeah yeah and is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying oh i just discovered two twitters that i really like i kind of trying to use twitter twitter to be more entertaining instead of you know keeping up with everybody's panic and and anxiety breakdowns um two twitter accounts i've i've just discovered one is um pet finder names

pet finder names so all these like i don't know if you guys have ever been on pet finder but uh animal shelters and and and rescue places they like to give wacky names to the to the pets maybe like rope somebody in so you can get like photos of a dog named mr worldwide you know it's a lot of fun and then another one that I just discovered is called Old French Crime, which are these old illustrations from a French newspaper in the 1900s, early 1900s, where, you know, before photography, they had to draw, like, all these disasters. So, yeah, there's, like, the guy that, like, made that parachute suit

and jumped off the Eiffel Tower. He passed out his parachute suit and he died. Yeah, there's like a drawing of the man in his suit like, oh! Yeah, it's a lot of fun. It's a great way to kill an afternoon, old French crime. Nice. So it's them basically drawing the crime in progress

for the purposes of the newspaper? Yes, and they all look like they're being staged for this theater. They all look like plays. It's a big dramatic pose. Jacquees, where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Oh, well, of course you can find me in these streets. And then if you want to

find me beyond that at jackie snail on everything i got i got i got three really quick tweets three really quick tweets you know whenever i'm a guest i only have one but as a guest host i got three first this is another save manifest tweet you know save manifest which was a very good show and they ended it on a cliffhanger. So fuck you, NBC. But it comes from at Miles X McKay. Miles with a Y. He retweeted a picture that is thunderstorm captured at high altitude and is the wing of a plane with a huge ass like thunderstorm like and clouds in the window. So you can see it like right outside the plane which is how manifest starts and then he says next thing you know i'm missing for five and a half years

so cracked me up love that another one i mean netflix is gonna netflix is gonna bring that back right like they just passed on it they just passed on it what the fuck i guess is it super expensive or something it must be or you know they gotta save money and space for their show about, you know, dating and animal costumes. So, maybe that's it. I don't know. King of Twitter, KingJosiah54, the Detroit Pistons just got the first NBA draft pick selection. And then he had a tweet that says, with the first pick, the Pistons select. And then Cade Cunningham, who many people think is going to be the first pick. And then he has a GIF of Cade running from people chasing him, basically saying he doesn't

want to go to the Pistons. Which, you know, it's true. Who wants to go to Detroit? Sorry, all my people from Detroit. I love you. Midwest forever. And then last one's from the homie Liz Adamsams who is a soon mom to be uh there is a picture of a very ugly alien looking person that said babies be looking like this uh for their photo

shoots and then she tweeted if my baby comes out ugly I will pretend like I care about her privacy and hide her face from the public. Which, I respect that. Babies be ugly sometimes. Sometimes y'all need to stop showing your ugly-ass babies to the world. I'm telling you, babies are always ugly for the first few days. You need to give your baby a time.

It's like a good steak or a souffle. It needs to settle. Its head is not even in the right shape. That's not what it's going to look like. My babies were all ugly for months. And now they're cute. They're so cute. Yeah.

Give your babies time before you introduce them to the world. Yeah. Treat it like you're a celebrity. Yes. Let's see. A tweet I've been enjoying. Jason Pargin wrote, seeing a lot of people in disbelief

that John McAfee could have committed suicide. This just goes to show that no matter how stable and well-adjusted a person appears on the outside, they can still be really struggling on the inside. Oh, that's funny. Anyways, you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at the daily zeitgeist on instagram we have a facebook fan page and a website dailyzeitgeist.com where we post our episodes

and our footnotes footnotes hey where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Do you have a song that you think people might enjoy? I got one for y'all. And it's not going to be Jason Mraz. You know, I know y'all were expecting that. It's from Jack Johnson. Upside down, everybody. jack johnson it's from jack johnson upside down everybody no it's from uh it's from an artist called rex orange county and the song is loving is easy rex orange county really dope artist makes

really dope music and loving is easy it was my introduction to him and i just went on a rabbit hole and i was like i like him so yeah loving this easy rex orange county let's ride out to that yeah yeah all right well the daily zeitgeist the production of iheart radio for more podcasts from iheart radio visit the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you listen your favorite shows that is gonna do it for us this morning we are back this afternoon to tell you what's trending and we will talk to y'all then bye k hasn't heard from her sister in seven years i have a proposal for you come up here and document my project all you need to do is record everything like you always do what was that that was live audio of a woman's nightmare can k trust her sister or is history repeating itself there's

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