The Daily Zeitgeist - What’s A Double Sell Out? Joe Exotic: Deport The Love Of My Life! 03.19.25

Episode Date: March 19, 2025

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Is exhibit mega. I think all of the probably like old black rappers who like aren't a lot of progress have gone full mega. Yeah. I don't know. It's not full. You know, you also then find out how like 80% might know. 100% of the people that show up on stage

have cases that they're trying to fucking. It's just a pambtive move. Right, yeah. They're not worried about tax policy quite as much? I mean, I think they're only to the degree that they're political only worry about tax policy. Right. Okay, I see.

That would be my guess. Even though, but it's like, mostly they're not in the right bracket. Probably would be my were and they dislike it. So they fucked up because exhibit had he had a weed brand that went fucking south. Well, that's not his brand. He's an alcoholic. I know. Yeah should have done, I could drink a whole Hennessy fifth. Yeah. He should have dropped it. I call it a gift. Should have dropped it to a Cue.

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Okay, let's do that. Okay. Let's honor that. James Cameron, I prefer uncertified nurses, but I will give it up to 3D. Yeah, only certified hustlers that I give it up to. But sure, certified nurses. I'm an uncertified hustler.

I have not been certified yet. Yeah. I haven't taken the test, but like most people would agree I'm a hustler. Now all the fiends, they don't want to buy shit off of you now. They're like, I don't know, roll his bags. He's uncertified. Dude, just ask to see a certification. I was going to say 3D Day really should be the third sequel to the landing of Normandy.

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Miles, we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by one of our favorite guests, a hilarious and brilliant producer and TV writer who will soon be pitching the third sequel to Saving Private Life before the second sequel comes out. You know him from the Yo Is This Racist podcast. It's Andrew T. Andrew T. We take from Andrew T. Everyone should disagree. Look at the world

and the seven seas. This guy here really knows nothing. Yeah. Hell yeah. Did you write that? Yeah. I gotta say, listen, much love to the Discord. The beverage tea and the T1000, I just, this is a polite ask.

We'd be out moving around. Can we move past those kids? We're trying to move that part, move past that part of his career. OK? It was a Roman salute. OK? That's all. I'm just saying that, yeah. Andrew, it's a Roman salute. Okay. Yeah. Andrew, it's great to have you here.

I was going to be worried if they were coming for you like that in the discord, but no, no, no, that's me. That's me. That's me. That's you saying, this guy does it. I don't know. Shit. Y'all should not listen to never have him back on the podcast.

I'm fun to have around, but I am dumb. Oh shit, y'all should not listen to me. Never have him back on the podcast. Wait, what? I'm fine to have around, but I am dumb. The thing that y'all better recognize is I am ignorant. Dumb, absolutely. I should add that to my intro to you. Among our dumbest guests, he's one of our favorites. But then say, the gorgeous Andrew T. Yeah, yeah.

The beautiful Andrew T. The gorgeous, the beautiful, the gorgeous. To the right was the- Absolutely beautiful. The beautiful Venice. We could do this, pull it up. I hate him. The beautiful Hony, the gorgeous Kara, and the gorgeous Mea. All right.

Sweet, sweet, sweet love is the name of that. It was so weird that he had his legs out to the side. For people who are only listening or haven't seen the video. Yeah. He was squared up. He was squared up with his arms up like he's fighting, but then his legs were out to the side like Yosemite Sam. Yeah. Let's just memorialize this in the show just quickly because we were talking about-

For the viewers of the show, for the video viewers. Got to. This was Conor McGregor, because he obviously he was in the news because he's fucking, you know, at the White House or whatever and then I remember I saw this head bite about his new girl group, so this is Conor McGregor. Is it the White House talking about how Irish people aren't racist enough?

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I love when motherfuckers do that shit. They don't let the fucking people talk. Right. Like, you can be like, this is it. Don't say shit. Not to give notes. Listen, put the beat of their first single underneath this. Right.

Fucking let them, like, do anything musical at all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And do another take where he gets four adjectives. That's it Right, right, right. Those are my notes. Beautiful. Gorgeous. Gorgeous. They offer him four adjectives just on big cards automatically odious wait Connor Connor great great great. Let's try another one. Let's just try to get the lines this time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I think that was good. Yeah. Sorry, I just throw that in before you start the show. But we those him flexing at somebody who is asking him to do another take.

You better not fucking ask. It's really the work ethic of the social media generation is it's so it's so like skewed because half of them really like the fucking like big chocolate chip chunk kid does like 20 takes. But like this guy, I don't know the big chocolate chip. The fan, the Costco family with him and yeah, yeah, I do know them. You don't want to say the one. Yeah, truly. Just like the one like behind the scenes one was like, OK, yeah, you know, like, you know, just get a little more energy in this one.

And it was just like, what the fuck did Ike Turner or some? Yeah, yeah, they did a behind the scenes and they showed me multiple over and over and over. I mean, he didn't get really angry, but like you can tell. It's like, but it's real. It's an operation. This is this is the one they released. So like, like if this is the funnest version of behind the scenes, they could get muster.

Yeah. It is truly like whatever the fuck happens behind the scenes is just terrifying. Your third boom was a little fucked up on that one. Like I didn't believe that you were actually saying boom on that one. Yeah. That was wild. Yeah. All right. Well, we're going to kind of talk about that a little bit later.

We're going to talk about this generation and all that's wrong with them and trace it back to us giving up on giving shit if people sold out. Joe Exotic, we want to check in with Joe Exotic on the five year anniversary of us. All learning who Joe Exotic is. We'll talk about that. We'll check in with Tesla. We'll check in with this kind of backlash we're seeing to the double sellout is what it's being called.

People who sell out to achieve success and then continue to just chase monetary success. I think it's called insatiable greed. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. It's called the- Oh, a double sellout? It's a technical term. Oh, no.

Continuing the thing you were already doing because it was patently evident who you were. That's right. Always. And we might even check it. Netflix is making a Cujo movie. So we want to kind of get an idea of what that's going to be like. All of that, plenty more. But first, Andrew T. We do like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are?

All right. Get ready, motherfuckers. So this is... No. This is probably... There's a reasonable chance this has already been one of my search histories, but I'll do it again if I have it, but maybe not. I made a fucking cave and made a viral-ish recipe. I made tempura enoki mushrooms, which were built as, this is like fucking vegan chicken, vegan, like fried chicken tenders or whatever.

But you take enoki mushrooms, such as in a video episode, you take the enoki mushrooms, cut the little roots off, and you have a bundle of mushrooms that grow long ways. And you cut the bundles into like, I don't know, call it like half a centimeter, maybe three quarters of a centimeter like slices. And you batter those motherfuckers. So the enoki mushrooms are individually little thin

mushrooms, but they come become like strands of, if you really are desperate for it, fake chicken type. Sure, sure, sure. Enoki mushrooms are just fine on their own. I'm like, we don't fake chicken type. Sure, sure, sure. Pro-pean type thing. Enoki mushrooms are just fine on their own. I'm like, we don't have to pretend it's chicken to enjoy it. Yeah, they're lovely. You didn't need to call it that, I'm sure.

Throw a little MSG into the recipe I found. It's, you know, NBD. But- Imagine though, as you're biting into them, imagine a chicken dying. Yeah. So that you just like get the, you know? Like you get that cruelty. Right? So it feels good. How could you just like, you know, like get that cruelty, right?

So it feels good. How could you even? So you feel like you're getting the power of another animal, you know? I got the power of, I don't know, probably 85 mushrooms in that one bite though. So wow. Yeah. A lot of, a lot of, a lot of power there. So the thing I'm pretty sure There's a reasonable chance. I've already said was what what my search history is How do I get rid of all this fucking deep-fry oil? Oh

Yeah Which just throw it on a Tesla, right? I did. Yeah I probably the probably sort of distressing thing is by the time I had fried my batch of mushrooms I made several batches and I deep-fried a little another thing Why am I being coy shrimp fitters? Don't be crying? Escapades there wasn't that much oil left So I just kind of like soaked it up with a paper towel and put it into a grocery bag Yeah, not at that up garbage candid. I think I think we'll allow that

Alright, I just like I said, I just throw it out my window Yeah. Not at that up garbage candid. I think we'll allow that. All right. Yeah. All right. I just, like I said, I just throw it out my window. Whatever this hippie shit you're doing like fine. I don't need to, I just go right down the drain, man. Yep. Right down the kitchen.

It's actually the only thing we put in the kitchen sink. Cause for some reason it stopped draining water. Yeah. No, you fill them up with water balloons and you throw them into the LA drain. It's actually the only thing we put in the kitchen sink because for some reason it stopped draining water. Yeah. No, you fill them up with water balloons and you throw them into the LA River. Oh, yeah. Fuck it. I honestly can't be worse.

There's no EPA monitoring of it anymore. It's so funny. I have people from out of town visiting us. And we like the part of the valley I'm in is right by the LA River. So we walked by it. And we're like, and the famous LA River. And they're like, wait, seriously? And I was like, yep. That's the LA River, so we walked by it and we're like, and the famous LA River. And they're like, wait, seriously?

And I was like, yep, that's the LA River. I'm going to be for real, for real, especially because I'm sure municipalities are going to start having to generate their own revenue. LA really needs to have a, for, I don't know, $500, $1,000. You and your friend can ride a motorcycle and a semi down the L.A. Road. Oh, terminator. It's like a terminator. Yeah. Or do you jump it off the bridge?

You can do that one or the drag race from Greece. That also happened right there downtown. Oh, yeah. Any iconic L.A. River fucking race? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just the crash that killed Keanu Reeves in the Rush video from Paula Abdul. Back when that was my first celebrity crush.

Keanu Reeves or MC Scat Cat. Paula Abdul. Every Paula Abdul music video drop was an event in my little perverted 11-year-old brain. What was the one with the Cheshire? The way she had the Cheshire, the cheetah. That was MC. Yeah.

Opposites attract. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember just being a kid, like that's the Cheeto cat. And they're like, no, that's true. And I'm like, that's the Stefan or Cal of the Cheeto cat.

Yeah. Right. It was actually problematic that you can't tell them apart. Hey man, don't find me cheetahs. I feel like I interrupted you, Andrew. What were you going to say? I don't remember. Speaking of Tesla's. Yeah.

Did you see the shit where someone like on YouTube? So who knows how real this was? Did like a Wiley Coyote style like that? Mark Rober. It was Mark. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Referencing that video like that was a guy who he used to work at NASA as a fucking engineer And he's like cameras fucking suck lidar is way better at like orienting Like if you're trying to actually do some full self-drive shit lidar is better and he's like, let me prove it He painted a Wiley Coyote like like, or a road runner-esque,

like sort of Vista against a road and drove a car with LIDAR at it. And it stopped because there's like, there's some shit in front of it. But then the Tesla was just like, no, all good. Blew right fucking through the thing. Yeah. Wow.

Really bad. And that's the thing where people are like, they're trying to fucking, they're trying to take the price. This is like a coordinated effort to what? Demonstrate what the car does? Yeah. I mean, it's just this weird thing where like the public has this shared natural aversion

to Nazis is the weird, weird, not shared, not shared enough, not shared widely enough, but they're, they're now acting like that is a foreign idea, that they can't understand where it came from. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. People's grandfathers didn't suffer tremendous PTSD for you to go just loving the Nazis again. Yeah.

Well, some of them did. Yeah, some did. It turns out. What is something you think is underrated, Andrew? All right. Underrated, some did. It turns out. What is something you think is underrated, Andrew? All right. Underrated. Game night. The movie, you know, pretty clearly from my vibe and demeanor, I'm a dude who considers himself above game night.

I think that shit is for nerds. And no, I heard the movie is pretty good, though, actually. That's what I heard, too. I was like, oh, actually fun. Oh, game night. Going and playing board. But I went to a very well organized game night and I, I will admit I had a ton of fun. Would you play?

The one that I really stuck out to me was a game called linky, which is essentially it's my favorite round from trivia night, which is the thing that I do, but it was five trivia questions, but the act't know anything about that game. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

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I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't really love just like a fucking like, I don't know anything with too much chance. I did also play Game of Thrones monopoly with an 11 year old the other day. And if I may, that shit was the absolute worst experience. So sorry. It was very difficult. It got worse.

Got worse. You say Game of Thrones, Monopoly with 11 year old bro. We are fucking in hell right now. I mean, it got worse, got worse. And we see you say Game of Thrones, Monopoly with an 11 year old. And I was like, bro, we are fucking in hell right now. Game of Thrones, Monopoly. It's some regular monopoly. Bad enough, although none of you guys have ever played it correctly. And the correct version actually, at least, is a game of sorts.

Did you know this? Basically, every time you someone lands on something, if they don't buy it, you have to go to an auction. Oh, shit. And the auction mechanic actually turns it into a real game because it's like everybody has an opportunity to buy. And it's like, you're really going to let this motherfucker have, you know, even a property you don't like that much for a dollar.

I'll do too. And then, you know, whatever. Doesn't that just speed up the way in which the rich get richer and fuck everybody over? This doesn't make it worse. It can. But if you do well, sort of no, because when you're early enough, everyone's like bankroll is about the same. So you can like trick, you know, or you can force someone into making a bad

decision, bad decision. Yeah. You know, if if someone is trying to throw their weight around, but but you know, the whole game is like, yeah, it is a snowball. But is that the is that the version you played with? No, no, no, not only that game of Thrones monopoly is regular monopoly. We weren't playing with auctions. But also Game of Thrones monopoly has a bunch of other

like backstabby Game of Thrones chance cards. Like, like some steal all your opponent's monopolies kind of shit. Cut Theon's penis off? Yeah. Also, it wasn't that graphic, but it for sure was too graphic for an 11-year-old's head. One of the play pieces is Theon's severed penis. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It comes with a little tiny rope that you put around the neck of the other character.

That's a lot. It's a bit much. Yeah, it's a bit much. But the pewter, you don't want 3D printing. You can do anything these days. Yeah, for real. That's right. What is something Andrew you think is overrated?

All right. The embarrassment you feel from accidentally FaceTiming the whole group chat. Oh. Let me tell you what. Yeah. That someone did that in a group chat the other day and not everyone picked up, but everyone who picked up genuinely it was like, this is really nice to just have a random eight minute conversation with you fools.

Is it with the person? Like did the person realize at a certain point? Yeah. They're like, oh my God, I'm so sorry that was an accident. I'm so sorry. the person like, did the person realize at a certain point? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. That was an accident. I'm so sorry. It was like, we're on the call. Might as well. You have my attention. What's up? Yeah, it was legitimately like a great little catch up. It's the sort of thing, you know, I guess we don't do that often. But also the face time of it makes it because it could be in this case, it wasn't, but it could be people from all over. Right. Just fucking do it. Also, though, I've never done it. I feel like it should be harder to do than it is because it's like I've gotten like butt dial face times more times than, like from a UI design perspective should be possible. Yeah.

How the fuck does this happen? More than traditional but dials, like on a, as a phone call, I feel like I get way more like missed FaceTime call. I'm like, there's no way they were trying to figure this out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, what the fuck is this? They're just trying to get their FaceTime numbers up to like, prove that like all the, you know, work and money they sunk into it was worth it. And so they're just like, make it extra easy to do. It's so weird.

Shouldn't be possible. Shouldn't be possible. Anyway. Yeah. Accidentally FaceTime the whole group. Also play the Jaws board game. Play the Jaws board game. Play the Jaws board game.

That was actually fun. Yeah. That's just fun. And I'm, I'm like you, Andrew. I don't, I'm like, bruh, I don't want to fucking go to some game night. And someone played had the Jaws game and I got the way I got into that shit. Because at the end, someone's the shark for me. And then that is what role you play.

And then you then you be doing attacks like on different beaches and you're trying to get ahead of the shark. It's I do like board games where one person is the villain. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is that is. And there's a lot of like head like if you like game theory kind of thing, like if you want to play fucked up, you can. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Also, Angel City is back. We're off to a one one disappointing home home opener. So Angel City is disappointing and frustrating. So as usual to To San Diego. When the person who was the shark did something smart, did you say, she's either very smart or very stupid, she's gone under the boat? No, I fucked up and I go,

clever girl. Miles, it's a long Spielberg. You said a Jurassic Park game. I pretend I'm pulling back the stock of my Sposh 12 shotgun, like he was was clever girl. There must be a Jurassic Park game, right? You guys keep talking. Yeah, I'm sure there's going to be over here. You guys keep talking for the rest of the episode.

It'll be storyboarding the dress every time I talk like, how is there not a Jurassic Park board game? I mean, I guess there's a bunch. The crazy one is the one from 93, which I don't even want to know. Okay, sorry. We were at a playdate the other day and the kids kept shooting each other with nerfs and like getting, you know, there were some nerf cannons involved, like out. And so I, and they kept like shooting and like into a place where they were getting lost. And so I was like, here, you guys, like I'll be, you guys just like combine to hunt

me and I'll be, and that was like the most thrilling five minutes of my week was like running away from a bunch of like, you know, five to eight year olds with nerf cannons, just trying not to get shot. I highly recommend it. Were you giving them jukes and stuff? Yeah, I was juking. Wow. I was trying to break their ankles, but you can't break it.

Yeah, they're flexible. Kids are way too flexible. They will not have soft tissue injuries like adults will. No. They also will not respect when I'm like, all right, this one's over. They came up and just- All right, I had a procedure. I wanted, just give me a second.

Give me a second to stretch From a dome you fully you fully dangerous gamed yourself Dangerous game myself and just for thrills just to see just a little Yeah, and also nerves don't hurt that much. So not yet. You said that much I like barely cry That's cool. I'll eat that. I'll eat that. Just do it again. All right. Let's take a quick break.

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Yeah. Since Tiger King dropped on all our asses. Yeah. And we were stuck inside. Yeah. This was this, this like officially makes it real to me that it's been five years since the pandemic. It wasn't even like the, the wh.

Oh, Tom Hanks, Rudy go bear day. It's really this one. Yeah. Oh man. This is that. That's when we were like so bored that we were just like, this is a, this is an instant classic, you guys. This is great.

I remember when we saw the trailer pre-lockdown and we were on the office, she was like, what the fuck is this shit about? And then here we are. trailer pre-lockdown and we were all in the office. She was like, what the fuck is this shit about to hit? And then here we are. But yeah, Joe Exotic is, I think, probably inspired by all the lawlessness that is happening under Trump at the moment and figured maybe it's this time that I'll get a pardon from Donald Trump. Um, because he did try during Trump's last term and he was so convinced he was going to get one, this motherfucker hired a limousine to wait outside of the prison to whisk him away.

And it did not happen. Sorry, Joe Exotic. It did not happen. This time though, he is asking that both he and his husband get pardons. So this is a post he did. Is his husband somebody that he met in prison? In prison, yeah. Or him.

Or him, I guess. I don't recognize this person. No, no, like, dude, I don't recognize this person. No, no, this is new. I don't remember jack shit from that series, like for real. Me either, I just remember him. I was like, wait, what is he even seeking a pardon for? I'm like, that's right, he tried to hire someone to kill Carole Baskin, and that's why he's a champ.

That's why you two, I think including like an undercover or some shit. And I feel like most people were like, I mean, she was kind of annoying. Yeah. Because when you watch it, you're like, did she kill her husband? Kind of on board. Yeah. Remember, there were people who'd be like, well, she killed her husband.

You know what I mean? Dirty guy about there. So yeah, he was just going to Costa Rica. But anyway, this is like a post he did like last year. He said, meet Jorge Marquez. He is 33. He is an amazing. He is thirty three. He is an amazing. He is. Wait, he is.

He is so amazing and he is from Mexico. Now the quest of getting married in prison and getting him asylum or we be leaving America when we both get out, I'm reading it as written. Yeah, sick. Yeah, exactly. Either way, I wish I would have met him long ago. So that's like his official post that he was just hard launching the relationship. Yeah. And then I guess Joe now thinks he has an angle that will appeal to

Trump and the current xenophobic climate, because now this is his new pitch. With a picture of them happily together. Yes. In a jungle background. Jungle background. You could, it might be on Pandora. He said, quote, this is from him on Twitter, quote, this motherfucker is paying for a blue check too.

Jesus Christ. Quote, you could deport him at some point, but if you let me go, we'll both go to Mexico, which will save you the cost of deporting him and allow you to take care of me. Huh? I don't know what that means. No matter what happens, he's my husband and we'll never abandon each other. This bond is that strong. And it's like, you're not getting out.

Joe, you're not. This bond is that strong by the way, this tweet opened with the words. You could deport him at some point. What an opener. But there is a budget. But if you let me go, we'll both go to Mexico. I'll go to Mexico, too. And you can.

Well, I don't know you and him and allow you to take care of me. I'm not sure what that may be. The saving them the cost of taking care of another American. I got it. I'll as if I think it's just like taking care of as in, because he's still asking for a pardon, right? Right. So you take care of me.

You take care of me. I take care of you. I help you by deporting the love of my life. Yeah. I self-deport. Take care of me. And we're deuces. And we're here.

We're in love. So Joe, you know, it's a long road, man. It's a long road. You know, keep your head up. Keep that chin up. FYI, I mean, truly, my life. Yeah. Given that I haven't thought of this dude for like, four years and 11 months and two weeks. I'm this is surprising. I'm genuinely surprised.

That that that, yeah, I get not that he found love, I suppose, but like that he, this whole scheme that he's pitching, I don't know, all of it. I'm just like, I could not have guessed. You might be, you might be due for a rewatch because this is actually the least surprising thing I've seen based on my knowledge of Joe Exotic that he found a younger man. Younger man, yeah, to prey on. Yeah. I guess so.

That he's in a relationship and trying some scheme that is too ambitious and unrealistic to actually work. Yeah. I mean, I'm just looking because I was looking at the little tag on this photo of him and his husband or fiance and it's joeexoticfficial.com. And I'm looking at the website. This place has, this is his website, Joe Exotic Official updates. It has everything.

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Oh, wow. Oh, you're really doing it. Okay. Joe. All right. Even I didn't see that one coming. Oh, it's video chat. So you're going to be interacting with this man who's been shot four times in the chest. Right.

I thought those were tattoos. Joe exotic is most likely the most famous in all times of that might be Nelson Mandela. I don't know, but it is who do you, well, who do you think takes that? You can probably sex AI Nelson Mandela too though. Yeah. Yeah. Charles Manson though, got more drip though, more swag. I've got reverse Mandela effect. I think Nelson Mandela is still alive. He never died as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, let's see. Well, yeah, there's VI possibilities. Nope. Okay. Anyway, Joe, God bless. I don't think that scroll down was that was I wasn't expecting.

That was milkshake duck. I was like, oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Could have predicted that. We do like to check in with the markets on this podcast specifically. How's Tesla doing? Oh, worried about my my three Teslas. I feel people are saying it's not cool to have them anymore. Let me tell you, it's going down! So, it's been nine weeks of continuous L's for Tesla, and the stock price has fallen 53% since final pre-seek highly heard the heyday in December of that

Okay, look, this is what happened. Nine straight weeks of the price going down. It was around December against the free seagull hey there. Yeah, it was at its peak. Then something happened man around q1 2025. Not sure what it was. But right now, just like in the last fucking two days, these are the fucking headlines around Tesla. Board members are selling over 100 million of their own stock. There are protests everywhere.

People are setting fires at collision centers, vandalizing the cars. There is a thing that now that alleges that insurance prices are going up to cover Teslas because like Hyundai's and like the USB like, like hack to like start a Hyundai or whatever or Kia, the Kia boys shit. Yeah. Like, and that caused insurance rates to go up. They're saying the vandalism against Tesla is now causing insurance rates to also go up. We will see if that holds. You guys stop it. Yeah, okay This is actually it is really terrorism actually when you think about it it's terrorism because

Tesla owners are terrorized. Yeah Elon Musk is sad This is a fucking whoa shit Collision Center someone said look man, it's not it. It's not popping. Um, I mean the, the, the, the, the fire is, but not the brand. And again, the batteries are popping. But also truly not a hundred percent clear that if that was that doesn't, is that our, that doesn't have to be arson.

Does it have to be ours? The batteries do. Those cars do burst into flames every once in a while. What is the outlet for that video? RJ, just some dude named RJ? Because it did also say that resist was spray painted at the factory, but that feels like some shit that I don't know if that was, I mean,

the right does do itself. Right, right, right. No, I mean no I mean this is definitely this absolutely happened like in Las Vegas yeah that's yeah yeah that's a that's a actual this is an actual news story the other stuff what happens in Vegas guys come on yeah but yeah they say they oh maybe they did find a suspect. No, still on the loose. Still on the loose. Still on the loose. Yeah, our favorite phrase in this new world, still on the loose. It's going down.

Just don't go to a McDonald's. But anyway, so now, Elon is like, dude, he's posting like a kid in junior high school that just listened to AFI for the first time or some shit. He's like, my company companies make great products that people love and I've never physically hurt anyone. So why the hate and violence against me? Then later on, I am endlessly amused by the infinite indignities I suffer on

the very platform that I own. Wow. Oh, fuck you. And so much. So somehow so much of the media coverage like we talk about is just doing the thing. They're shying away from describing him as a Nazi that is dismantling the government. Like when that's quite literally what is happening. This is from Business Insider.

In large part. That sounded like he was endlessly amused by that. I feel like we're good here. It's such a worst. I'm actually endlessly amused. This is funny. This is actually hilarious. I did read those tweets out of sequence.

The first one was, I am endlessly amused. That was in February. The, what did I do wrong? What do you guys hate me? It's from this last week. So we went from lolling about it to crying about it. Also, it's actually hilarious to me. This is actually very fun. Endlessly amused, bro. Thank you for the free laughs, dog.

He is that I forget who did the original tweet, but like just like anyone who uses the laugh crying emoji is the angriest person you've ever met. Right. And he I think it goes back to people who are just sprinkling lol constantly, like after saying something they're upset about and then they're like lol lol. Yeah. Literally loling over here at what you just said that was insulting. I've never hurt anyone physically. I've never physically hurt anyone.

What a weird tell. Right, right, right. You are harming the shit out of so many people. Hey guys, I'm about to post something that is just me complaining and just sharing my feelings, but I do need to get legal's eyes on this one. Yeah. Because I'm saying I've never hurt anyone. Okay, Elon, so what you can say is you've never physically directly with your own bare hands. Yeah. Hurt anyone. Okay, Elon. So what you can say is you've never physically directly with your own bare hands. Yeah. Yeah. And your

Yeah, your negligence as a business owner has harmed many Yeah, and your direct actions as whatever the fuck this is, you know, like all those cars that somehow end up on fire, the people are whatever and they crash and whatever it is what it is. But again, the media descriptions business insider and they're like, what there's like four reasons why this stock is going down one, they called this subheader distracted CEO. And this is what this is like part

of the paragraph quote, in large part, investors have blamed his growing role in the Trump administration with Musk heading the efforts of the Department of Government Efficiency. He himself has noted great difficulty in dividing his attention between Doge and his many companies. Okay. Here's another one. This is from, I think, Barron's.

It said, quote, but weak sales data to start the year have investors worried that Musk's political activities are turning off car buyers. His political activities. I genuinely, so it must really be that it's just that like he's his distraction It's not that he's distracted like obviously for a business It would be better if he was the less actual attention Elon Musk pays is better But it's that he's a bottleneck right like you can't do shit Yeah, probably if the competent people could simply operate without Elon Musk, right? That would be good. Mm-hmm

But they're just not yeah That's one. Is that that's one of my favorite, uh, I bring it up a lot, but one of my favorite historical details that gets left out a lot is like one of the big reasons D-Day was successful. We've been talking D-Day. This is D-Day talk, uh, was that Hitler, uh, slept in until noon on D-Day and everybody was so scared of him. And like, he was like such a micromanager that like, he was like, I remember, uh, slept in until noon on D-Day and everybody was so scared of him. And like, he was like such a micromanager that like, they just like, couldn't make

a decision until he like woke up of his own accord. Yeah. Right. So yeah, I, that, that's one of the small problems with authoritarian. Yeah. Drug-addled authoritarian rulers. We've got two. We've got two. We're doubling up on that right now. Yeah. Drug addled authoritarian. We've got two.

We're doubling up on that right now. Right. There's no. There's no amount of Coke Musk can be on that doesn't eventually. He's going to get the sleepies at some point. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Or fully shit himself. Like one of these times holding up a chase and like, yeah, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Like when they describe it, it sounds like they're talking

about him just being spread too thin. They don't mention spread too thin controversial, you know, uh, role in the Trump administration. It's like, dude, I can bear it. I think it's just a while because it had it being like, it's also like his ex his extreme views was what I saw. But it is like a thing where you're trying to judge people. Like, you know, he's selling a product that is no longer selling well because

of something happening with the public's opinion of him and their desire to be associated with him, even if they're not going to be like, you know, that was definitely, and obviously somebody doing two aggressive Nazi salutes that burst forth from their soul in a way that was like almost like involuntary. And a lot of people saw that shit because it was on like a national stage on inauguration day. Like, even if you're just like, a lot of people think he is a Nazi and that's gotta be bad for sales figures. Like even the fact that they like, like I think they were saying that at first and now they're even like backing off of that. Yeah.

Yeah. Which is wild. Because you look around the world, like in Europe, sales are tanking and it's clear that they have direct history interacting with Nazis in their countries. So they're like, fuck. However you mean, in London, there's stuff like they, people have been putting up these sort of like activist ads and like bus stops, or it's like him and a Tesla like Sieg Heilig, it says zero to 1939 and 1.2. Yeah, yeah.

And like on factories are doing all kinds of shit. But all that to say is like in Europe, that's going down for that reason. In the US, it's the same thing. But I think the only difference is China, where that was the biggest EV market in the world, where he was getting crazy business. That whole thing is because he's completely seated ground to all these other companies

that like actually offer different cars and also the battery maker for Tesla is now like working with a competitor and he's like, what is happening? Yeah, yeah. It's all- It probably is now like working with a competitor and he's like, what is happening? Yeah, yeah. It's all, it's all. It probably is genuinely like, the other thing I would just guess again,

as a fucking idiot who knows nothing, that like even without all the Nazi shit, like the Tesla market was pretty saturated. Yeah, yeah. Anyone who's gonna buy a set of Teslas in America just has one. And I'm guessing he thought because it's like electric car, all the, you

know, liberal ish type folks, I think he genuinely thought he could open up a whole new Nazi market. But we're all right going far like yeah, right. But those people still aren't buying fucking. But yes, this is where like this

dude is so insulated is because he's around these MAGA freaks for a little bit. And they're like gassing him up. That he's like, yes, this is the move. This is the like this dude is so insulated is because he's around these MAGA freaks for a little bit and they're like gassing him up that he's like, yes, this is the move. This is the wave without understanding that culturally. And I said this before, the right wing has been trying to poison the well of EVs for fucking ever. Right.

Like, and so, and also like the truck, the cyber truck does not appeal to the American truck demographic because it just doesn't look like some hard worker type. Do anything. You know what? I'm not going to get 30 years in the future. I'm going to give Iran some free Nazi business advice. Genuinely, I think a way to get up his Tesla sales to the Nazis he's like courting is to

create a Tesla charger that runs on gasoline. You put it in your fucking yard. It outputs Tesla voltage. Just a generator. And you put, yeah, it's like a big ass generator. Or just put gasoline into it. Yeah, or they're just going to put SS bolts on the chargers. Yeah.

And just be like powered by electricity. Wink, wink, wink. Uh, yeah. Good luck with all that. Yeah. But that Joe Rogan thing was. Yeah, I do. I do just want to, cause I think, I think this Joe Rogan clip where I think it was Elon's last appearance on Rogan, uh, from a few weeks ago where he like has his AI say dirty words and is just like, laugh, like can't stop. Like he looks like me when I first heard they're all going to laugh at you. say dirty words and is just like, laugh, like can't stop. Like he looks like me when I first heard they're all going to laugh at you.

The, you know, like the funniest thing I'd ever heard to that point in my life. He's just making his AI say like dirty things and laughing like until he's crying and even Joe Rogan is like, what the f- seems like his blood pressure is fucking spiking. Yeah. No, he's about to die like an embarrassing, like an cringe-based death. But yeah, this is him. If he was wearing a bright yellow shirt, he would be sweating directly through that shit.

Oh, yeah. Or just like in a stand-up special where he was sweating through it, because he was bombing the whole time. But anyway, this is this is that clip. Lever? No, she's just a pain in my ass. Yes. Are you a fucking conspiracy theorist? Yes. Yes. Can't stop laughing.

Dude, no. Oh, no. Oh my god. We're not fucking AI with a pension for chaos. And that's actually you. Oh, no, no. He's offstage. I'm going to have to use the party, you little shit. That one, though?

That one? The pity nod from Joe Rogan over a joke is, like, the saddest thing I've ever. I do think it's a good illustration of two double standards that we have that are like taking over our society. One is like the double standard of like how fun and cool AI seems to the person using it versus like the person viewing it from the outside. Yeah. Fuckin are you serious dude? Did you just hear that? Yeah. He's just like, yeah, man.

He's that Russell Westbrook gif. He's like, bro. Yeah. Yes. And then the double standard of obviously billionaires insulated for at least over a decade from anyone who has ever told them the truth, just going full Tony Soprano panic attack dinner where he's just like looking around like, this is funny, why is this guy not laughing? I need to rewrite it, but I wrote a short story for a friend of this show,

Molly Lambert's reading series a couple months ago wherein it's an artist's diary from the perspective of an AI that's only been told by the AI bros that it's a genius, it's the most amazing artist. And then when it finally gets into the world and gets real feedback, it becomes suicidal. This happens like at every level, you know, like with entertainers, it's like that thing where like you can kill it in a boardroom. Like, and you kill it for people who aren't really connected to what you're doing. You're like, this person will definitely help serve the purpose of our other thing. And then like, then there's like the streets level where people fuck with it or like it or not.

And so many people are so's like the streets level where people fuck with it or like it or not. And so many people are so lost in the boardroom hype or they're like, why kill it in a room full of all these rich, older, hyper wealthy white people? Yeah. Like this is, this must be the wave. And then you do some real shit and you see the response from people. And then you're like, why do people hate me?

Well, it's like, it's like when Elon went on stage with fucking Dave Chappelle and just started repeating meme jokes. Yeah. Yeah, and then when it didn't land, I mean, it didn't land for other reasons, but it was like, oh, you thought this was funny for real? Yeah. At a Chappelle show.

Yeah, right. This is not the woke mob coming for you. Yeah. This is a Chappelle show. You're not funny. I, you thought reading from like a weird Nazi joke book was going to crush like it does online. Weird dude.

Yeah. Oh no. These people just listened to 15 straight minutes of Dave Chappelle being like, I don't know, trans people kind of gross me out. And then he got up and still like bombs got hard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

What a sad, sad state for Elon. But even like Rogan by the end of that is kind of like laughing to move it along. So I feel like he comes out of that unmarked, you know, he comes out of that being like, oh, yeah, guys, it was a sleigh. I regret to inform you that I fucking killed on Rogan. It's funny because like, you know, Rogan will push back on some like comedian guests if he thinks this shit's not funny or just kind of like, yeah, whatever. But like it's clear that he he's like, damn, like Elon Musk is so powerful. I can't even like, yeah, quote unquote, after the after the after Elon leaves, he's like, damn, dude, I mean, Elon's a genius in a lot of ways, but that show wasn't funny, right? Exactly

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And that is a serious debate about like selling out and whether like selling out should become a thing that we worry about again. Like, were you, I feel like I'm not that much older than you guys that like, was that still a concept for you guys when you were in like middle high school? Like the, when Nirvana like came on the scene, the conversations about Nirvana were immediately like they fucking sold out. Even though I wasn't a fan of them before they sold out. I actually liked their early stuff before they sold out. Well, I think the evolution also, Andrew, were you born in the 70s? No, but I was going to say, I think I'm a little bit older than you, Dak.

Anyway, if you weren't born in the 70s, if you weren't born in the 70s, y'all might be in debt. Yeah, I'm saying, or you're the same. All right. And look, I know now let's do the thing for middle school. What month? What month? My birthday was last week. Oh, wait, there's older. Andrew's oldest. Andrew's oldest in class. So Andrew's the oldest. So we have to listen to him. Um, but yeah, I was also old for my grade.

So that's why that's where I get my youthful energy. Your vibe. Me too. Me too. That's why I'm a bully. No, like the, uh, oh, like the whole sellout thing I remember was more like a thing I heard older more like a thing I heard older kids talk about.

So then that would just be an insult. I would say without really understanding it when I was like 10 years old and my version was, Oh, that person is like in a commercial now and that's, yeah, they're like, Oh, that person's a sellout. They're in a commercial. That was kind of my, that was my calculus for that app in that era, which this might've been my just musical preexisting bias, but I feel like at my school, it was like, even though Nirvana sold out, they're still good.

Right. Which was like, despite this... But I think it was like, I'm trying to think it was like what the pop type groups were that was like real sellouts. Right. But like, what integrity allegedly did they, were they bringing to the table anyway? Like, I don't know what the fuck. Yeah, I still like when during this era when like selling out was bad, the Backstreet Boys came to my middle school and like did a concert for the kids who hadn't had detention yet.

Yeah. And like I had had detention, so I missed it. But like- Sort of like an inverse like from Folsom Prison kind of deal. Exactly. Just going to kids who are well behaved at a middle school. But I did not feel like I had missed anything because it was like a boy band was not seen as cool. Yeah.

But yeah, I mean, there's a really good article we'll link off to called The Age of the Double Sellout that kind of traces this from the conversation in the 90s about like is REMs the Sidewinder sleeps tonight like to Poppy? I think maybe REM. Posers? Yeah. Well, I think though that I mean, this is not an original thought of me, but I don't remember who said it enough to credit them. Maybe I'm sure it's just out there. But like,

enough to credit them. Maybe I'm sure it's just out there. But like, the I feel like this talk died sort of commensurately with the ability to live in, like be an artist and not live in abject poverty. Right? Like, the thing is, it's like, you can't really call it selling out now because now it's like basic survival. Whereas like, up to the 90s, there was still a sort of social safety net and rents weren't so out of control in like metropolitan areas that you could like work at a bar 25 hours a week and then play in a band and like, you know, fucking not be below the, you know, be able to survive in some kind of way, which is like literally not possible right now. Yeah. So this article by W. David Marks traces it to like these are the three key ideas of like

the pop-timism movement, which is like artists deserve to make a livelihood. So like you can't be mad at them for like making being able to like make money off of their art without like taking a day job. Uh, artists from marginalized communities tend to work in commercially oriented genres, which, you know, so like being like, oh, that's sell out. Shit was like how people greeted disco and like RNB. And it was like, well, cause the whole, that's cause it's all like the punk scene that even gave us

the idea that there was this con or I mean, one of the earlier things is like, are you going to shift to this like more commercialized label version of music versus independent, independently released music? And then the last one, which is I think the only one I disagree with is like commercial success is key to true cultural influence. Like Nirvana and Pearl Jam, Pearl Jam changed aesthetics because they sold a lot of records. But I think there's a way to do that without fully embracing a... Well, and more in the internet age. Yeah. There's probably some argument that they would have had trouble doing that in the fucking mid-90s, early 90s, mid-90s.

Right. Because how else are you going to do it? There's only how many so many spins on 120 minutes that can like get you some relevance. You need to make it to TRL. Right. Right. But yeah, so this is how fucking old I am. I just want to say all that came right off. I know the way you went 120 minutes to the motherfucker about to say headbangers ball or some shit. So this kind of suggests the idea that like that argument about selling out is, was the thing that was like, was like the last night's guard holding back the hordes of like capitalism and like once we lost track of that, it just, it was over and now we're, we have like Mr.

Beast being the most famous person and like just this idea, like basically the way they draw the, uh, the place they draw the line and it like kind of ties into the video that's making the rounds of like Tina Fey going on Amy Poehler's podcast, where she's also drawing the line at this idea. Like the article calls it the age of the double sellout, where somebody like sells out in their career to like make a living. And then once they have that success, they're like, and now here's my gin brand and mobile phone company.

And now I am a billion dollar brand. And then they just keep going and going and going until they have a legitimately unethical amount of wealth. I mean, I also think it's just the terrible economy. Again, I'm sorry, this is another thing. That's where this clip, I think with Amy Poehler and Tina Fey talking about it, it shows even what Amy Poehler's perspective is on what she how she looks at what Tina Fey is describing. But this is this is a clip.

Problem with rich people having a side hustle. Yeah. You mean like a podcast? I know that's doing work. I'm saying if you if you sold like, where would my line be for you? Where would I draw the line? Yeah, I know. You mean like if I had a if I had a rosé? Yeah, you know what you mean. Like if I had a if I had a rosé. Yeah, you already have like Tina that is this is where you have to learn from Gen Z. I'm sorry. And we have to they don't care. They don't they don't judge. Don't judge it. Well, get you

should stop because this is the thing that you have to have a million. You have to have glasses. Yeah. Well, I have my line of children's medications. Oh, man. I mean, it's interesting. I'm curious, like what, how Tina Fey looks like it at, or she's pushing back on the idea. She's like, I judge it because I think that's selling out or I judge it because I think this is just unchained greed.

And I think she just thinks it's gauche. Yeah, right, right, right. It's just like, I don't think that shit. Yeah. I don't think she really has a hard problem with it. I mean, I will say, I do think like the object, like the aesthetic objection to it being like, well, you know, corporations and like capitalism are going to come in and like ruin the artistic instincts.

Like, you know, Quincy Jones, we've talked about, like, would say that like and capitalism are going to come in and ruin the artistic instincts. Quincy Jones, we talked about, would say that whenever corporate and people enter the room, God leaves the room. When you're making music. When you're trying to make pop music and not trying to make art. Yeah. When you come in and you're like, okay, we actually need a top 40 hit. God is not here. Yeah, God is here. God has left the room. I do think like that sort of saying like, you know, those sorts of considerations dilute or like fuck up the pure artistic intention is also like, I think reacting

to the same idea of like, yeah, this is like fucking evil. Like what, what those instincts to just like keep doubling down and doubling down and like making more money and making more money. You're ultimately just like, you know, existing in a, you know, spiritual vacuum that's going to like not, not lead anywhere meaningful for you or for people. I wonder, it also has an element, I wonder of, it's a little bit like you guys know way more about sports than me,

but it's like you get paid, your current contract is payment for your last contract, or the time you spend on your last contract. Right. So it is sort of like, I mean, like the Nirvanas of the world would say, smells like teen spirit is because no one bought bleach. Sure. Right.

And this is like, we weren't paid for doing, bringing the thing. And I sort of like, get that, I guess? Yeah, I get that. I mean, I think it's more to, with the specificity of like, when you're going completely out of your lane. It's one thing to be like, well, someone's offering me money for my intellectual property, and I can earn something from that because I can't tour a fucking album sales or dog shit,

then yeah, fucking let it rip because I need money. But it's the point of like, well, now I'm starting a cell phone company. You're like, what fucking? We're all just objecting to Ryan Reynolds. Let's just come out and say, but also it's like, what venture capital freak approached you about this idea

that you're like, yeah, actually, I do care a lot about organic cat food that I will brand now for me. Because someone told me I can make a shit ton of money as the face of it. Yeah. I guess I'm just like, why would you turn it because I can't think what it is, is there's a layer of middle, I was gonna say middle people, but it's fucking all middlemen, I'm sure, who are it's not like Ryan Reynolds is like, I wanted to like branch out into BSL out. He's just getting approached by this like fucking that's a layer of like marketing hucksters. Yeah.

And he for what it's worth has managed, I feel like to not really hurt his brand with the mint mobile shit because you're like. It's wobbling. Does it? It's wobbling. Well, the Blake Lively stuff. Yeah, yeah, but not not through not the phone. That's the function to do it. Yeah, yeah, but not through, not the phone. Yeah, not the phone. The phone should do it. Yeah, well, for sure.

No, but I guess that's the thing is like, I don't know. He's just like viewed as like smart and like good because he's able to do that. But like I do, like does, did we ride the capitalism is safe, get your bag thing all the way to a world where like Donald Trump and Elon Musk are in control of everything, not in spite of being wealthy, but because they're wealthy. And like, that's what people are like, well, if everybody's trying to get a bag, what, like, we should just give the power and like have the decisions made by the people who are the best at doing that because that's the only thing that matters. The bag, the biggest bag getters. Baggetters.

Yeah. I just think though, we never were not in that world, even with this, like who's a sellout business. Like that was never part of like anything serious. That was a little bit of culture, but like truly like the debating whether or not selling out is good or bad legitimately in the nineties probably applied to like 25 people. Yeah.

Yeah. Right. It's like George Carlin did an MCI collect call commercial and you're like, yeah, okay. It just felt like it was a thing to talk about, but it was more just gatekeeping. Oh, I'm cool because I like, you know, I know that I don't like X or Y band because there's sellouts. I do feel like they The artists were like very aware of it and like didn't want to be sellouts like at that time sure in some ways But it just wasn't that many people like how many are even given the chance to sell out? I agree. I think like partially sort of focusing on the people who are like the artists

selling out it is a little like to use the sports metaphor is a little on the people who are like the artists selling out is a little like to use the sports metaphor is a little like the people being like, well, Brian James makes too much money. If I made that much money, I go to work every and it's like, no, he's actually like vastly underpaid for like, when you look at like what he's able to do, the amount of like money he makes for the owners, like your beef is with the owners, your beef is with the overall system, the makes for the owners, like your beef is with the owners, your beef is with the overall system.

The structure of it. And we're using the faces of the system as proxies for this. I think that's right. This says, so the sellout argument actually dulls our sense of class solidarity. Yeah, that's right. Like it was the same during the writer strike.

It's like, yeah, TV writers in a sense are, or whatever, all WJ writers are in a sense overpaid, but we were asking for a percentage of profits. So everything you think the writer doesn't deserve, you are simply saying the CEO's do deserve. Yeah. And it's like, I disagree with that. Yeah.

All right. So we're back to it. I do think, yeah, I think there's just some part of us that lost track of like an important idea when we were just like, no, everybody go get your bag and like, everybody's on the same continuum of trying to get the same bag. And while Elon Musk must be the best of us. Is it just, it's just different distractions. Cause the thing is like, is Nirvana seller or not?

The real villain is David Geffen or not even, but you know what I mean? Like it's the label, the label is the problem. The fun is someone else's deals or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that's the underlying, I think is just the idea of like what integrity is and how we define it and how much we hold onto it professionally or not.

That's a much larger thing. Yeah. Anyways, I love the new Pearl Jam brand tequila. It's my favorite. Yeah. Yeah. It fucking rules. Pearl Jam Jam.

Pearl Jam Jam. And their cannabis brand too. Jeremy's Smokin'. Pretty good. In class today. You must not smoke in class today. Jeremy's Smokin'. Wade.

It is true. We're talking about a little earlier. I don't remember which is going to make it, but the number of celebrities Is it just the the people have severely dropped the ball on endorsing weed? Like it's crazy this it's the landscape of weed marketing should not look the way it looks no There should not be any marketing and well sure there's that too, but I'm just saying Why don't you just gotta go get go back to meeting up in a ride aid parking lot, like the good old days.

You know what I mean? And just that's your, that's, that's Miles's weed brand, right? And parking lot. Yo, yo, it's called, it's called I'm in the blue Durango outside the right. A loose baggie. You do have to hang out with miles for 25 minutes to make sure a little bit and be like, yo, you heard this new outcast and I'm playing bombs over Baghdad on loop to like bro and time national underground. Thunder pound stems back. You add someone, someone in LA needs to open a concept weed store that looks like the back of like a Corolla and you have to sit inside of it.

And a guy comes in from the butt tender. The dispensary is a bunch of Acura and Tegras, and each one you get in is where the butt tender is, and you just get the patch like, close the door, yeah, what's up? What you looking for? Just like some edible, something, yeah, cool, cool, cool, cool, yeah. All right, man. Beat it, beat it.

Then they give you an eighth of just like shake dirt weed. Yeah, cool. You want to eat? Yeah, yeah. Get out of my fucking car. This shit looks brown. Was this like vape before? No, no, no. That's just it's good. That's good. Just don't smoke it. Just don't smoke it around here.

All right, Andrew T. What a pleasure having you. Yeah. Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? I don't know, man. Andrew T, Podcasts is Yo, this is racist. Our premium show is Yo, Can We Live? It's available at suboptimalpods.com. Yeah, that's it. I don't fucking know. Is there work in media that you've been enjoying?

This is not going to be like a difficult stretch, but it's not doing great at the box office. But I really enjoyed Mickey 17. Oh. There's some problems with it, but I thought it was fun if a wee bit long for my taste, just because I'm old. Super producer is Victor and super producer Justin.

We're talking about Mickey 17 right when we started the call. Prime Time Pattinson is a real weird creep vibes and I'm loving it. Not even a creep, just like a real freak. Right. Pattinson a freak. I got it. There's suddenly three movies that I have to see at the theater before they're gone. EFIS, Mickey 17, and Black Bag is supposed to be good. Is EFIS about the weird pitch?

Yeah, it's about the weird pitch. Okay, just as we're doing a video episode, I'm both a lefty and I can do this with my hands. Whoa. With my fingers. And there's a world where I miss my calling as like a three pitches per game pitcher. Yeah. It's like you need the weirdo. Just do one weird pitch. Yeah.

Just a junk ball. Yeah. Yeah. Pitcher. Yeah. Uh, miles, where can people find you? Is there a work of media you've been enjoying? Yeah.

If they got ad symbols, I'm there at miles of gray everywhere. I'll find Jack and I on the basketball podcast miles and Jack. I'm at boosties. Find me on the 90 day Fiance podcast for 20 Day Fiance. There are some tweets that I like. First one is from at what's Charlotte. Quote tweeted this. It said, just watch the lady get into her car, turn on Shania Twain, hit her vape

like 10 times and then reverse directly into the SUV behind her in the grocery store parking lot. California is a place and then Charlotte quote to that said, Kamala is a private citizen. Now you can't just post stuff like this about her. Another one this really appeals to me as someone who sucks at bowling at evermore ever more is Ivy. Genuinely nothing worse than going bowling with people who are actually good. Like what are you? Why are you doing all that?

And then another one because we were talking about drug dealers at Iggy30424 doing drugs is low key wizard behavior, crushing up rocks and crystals, pouring up potions, eating shrooms, smoking plants. What a fun whimsical way to look at drug abuse. This is like wizard behavior. You know, I'm just crushing up rocks. Not the original wizard. Smoking twink. Yeah.

Being a rock, I will say bowling is the most Fred Flintstone ass sport possible. Yeah, yeah. Rock at these... This is the phrase. ... at these pillars. At bone. Yeah. All right.

You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien and on Blue Sky at Jack OB the number one. I enjoyed a tweet. Mary Louise Kelly from NPR tweeted, starting this fall at Harvard is eliminating tuition for students whose families make $200,000 a year or less, according to the Crimson. And Sam Hassleby tweeted, and not just for one, but for both of those students. You can find us on Twitter and Blue Sky at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram.

You can go to the description of this episode wherever you're listening to it and you can find the footnotes, which is where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode. In those footnotes we also link off to a song that we think you might enjoy and Miles is there a song that you think people might enjoy? Yeah there's this beat this beat maker monuman, m-o-n-u-m-a-n, it's called producer. The track is called sullen and it's like a very dark kind of electronic beat vibe If it just feels like some scene in like the future where people about to do like fucking I don't know Do a wild bank robbery or some shit. It's like very tense, but it fucking goes

So if look you're out there maybe going to a righted parking lot in a Durango. This might be the song for you This is sullen by Monumet. Oh, yeah We will link on to that in the footnotes. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. That's going to do it for us this morning, back this afternoon to tell you what is trending. And we'll talk to you all then. Bye. Bye. Why would you do that to me? Los Angeles, 2021.

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