The Daily Zeitgeist - What’s A Skittles Party? Salty Spielberg 3.5.19

Episode Date: March 5, 2019

In episode 341, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian and Bechdel Cast co-host Caitlin Durante to discuss The Wandering Earth, Taco Bell being the healthy fast food option, the deaths of Luke Perry and Keith Flint, the wreckage from the tornado in Alabama, Trump's CPAC speech, the new HBO Michael Jackson documentary 'Leaving Neverland,' Fox News shutting down the Stormy Daniels story before Trump's election, Steven Spielberg shading Netflix, and more! FOOTNOTES: 1. China’s blockbuster The Wandering Earth is coming to Netflix2. Taco Bell is now one of America's healthiest fast-food chains3. TACO BELL NUTRITION4. Hollywood Pays Tribute To Luke Perry: “Truly One Of A Kind”5. Keith Flint: Prodigy vocalist dies aged 496. Alabama reels in aftermath of deadly tornadoes7. Trump goads the crowd into booing "the fake news," then suggests he was just being sarcastic when he called for Russian hackers to go after Hillary Clinton's emails during a 2016 news conference.8. Trump says "bullshit."9. The 4 most striking moments from Part 1 of ‘Leaving Neverland,’ HBO’s Michael Jackson documentary10. Fox News Got Stormy Daniels Story Before Trump’s Election, Spiked It: Report11. Steven Spielberg Takes Veiled Shot at Streamers, Urges Filmmakers to Make Movies for Theaters12. The Spielberg vs. Netflix Battle Could Mean Collateral Damage for Indies at the Oscars13. Netflix Alters Model; Gives Awards Films ‘Roma’, ‘Buster Scruggs’ & ‘Bird Box’ Theatrical Runs Before Streaming14. Netflix Impact On Movie Theaters Is Negligible, Concludes A Study Commissioned By Movie Theaters15. WATCH: Negative Gemini - You Weren't There Anymore Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Wow. I, you know, I was thinking a lot about Tal Bachman, and I wonder what happened to him. I think he should be okay. But thank you to Salt Is Hannah for reminding me of that masterpiece by Tal Bachman. I didn't really know the name. I thought it was just called High or something. I think it's just called She's So High. Yeah.

Just to let y'all know. The artist's name is Tal Bachman? It's Tal Bachman. Tal Bachman. And he's actually only 5'3". Oh, really? Yeah, it's kind of a weird name. That is a, and he's actually, he's only 5'3". Oh, really? Yeah, it's kind of a weird name. That is a weird name.

And he loves Mozart. T-A-L-L? He's more of a Mozart guy, too. Oh, nice. He's a short Mozart guy. When Billy Joel retired from writing music because he wanted to go into composing classical music because he was like too good. Is that what he did?

He was too advanced. That's what he said for a while. And then he just went back to doing live shows drunk. Well, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by one of the greats on this here podcast. She co-hosts the Back to Elf cast. And her name anagrams to Latin Dancer UTI. Please welcome Latin Dancer UTI. Thank you. I was going to say, oh, I was like, just leave it. Latin Dancer UTI. Please welcome Latin Dancer UTI.

Thank you. I was going to say, oh, I was like, just leave it as Latin Dancer UTI. Hi. Oh, hi, I'm Caitlin. I just can't sleep. I'm so excited. What film degree? Whoa, baby.

Don't infantilize. Toxic masculinity in the zeitgeist. Oh, wow. Damn. Is that a written topical? That comes from Trite Gang at JustTDZ, a.k.a. Fire, a.k.a., as always, from the Zeitgang. And just in case you wanted another anagram.

Oh, yeah, you got a new one? I got one. This is one of my own. anagram. Oh yeah, you got a new one? I got one. This is one of my own. It is Caitlin Durante anagrams to It Anal Nut Cider. It Anal Nut Cider.

Yeah, so if you're like... Hey man, what you drinking? It Anal Nut Cider. Uh-huh. Hell yeah. Shout out to the South. There you go. Shout out to the South for making that statement make sense. It me.

It ain't on the title. Whatever you want. Caitlin, how are you doing? I'm doing very well, thanks. I'm so excited for our live show together. Yes. This coming Saturday. Do you think people are ready?

I think they are not ready. And also, Jamie promised me again that she would watch The Matrix. And you think she'll make good on that promise? Absolutely not. Really? I don't think so. I'm still holding out. Okay.

Because I take her to be a person of her word. So I'm going to say that she will watch it and not embarrass us all on stage when we talk about The Matrix. We'll see. I don't think she will. I think that she has made it part of her brand to never see The Matrix. Why would she lie to me? She adheres to her brand, you know? Which is so weird because her brand is honesty, too.

She would just straight up tell me, like, I'm not going to watch it. She's like, no, don't worry. I'm going to watch it. Maybe I'm wrong. And you can quiz me. We'll see. We'll find out this Saturday. This Saturday, March 9th at the Dynasty Typewriter Theater.

Get your tickets now. We only got a couple left, and it's going to be a party. They are going fast. There are some left. We're talking about the year 1999 when Miles and I do live shows. We do the Zeitgeist for not a day, an entire year.

Yeah. And we're going to be joined by the Bechdel cast crew. And they're going to walk us through The Matrix. Yes. Among other movies. Many things.

But yes, mostly The Matrix. And I might hand out walk us through the Matrix. Yes. Among other movies. But yes. And I might hand out 40 ounces to people. Oh my. I don't know. Why? Was that a beverage that you particularly partook in? No, I just think that's what kids like. I don't know. I could be out of touch. Do kids drink 40s? I think kids were drinking

like Zimas in 1999. Yeah, a bit of Zima. Tequizas as well. Oh, I don't know. Actually, no, Tequizas weren't really in 99. It was a little bit later, but that was a disturbing fusion drink that they bottled. All right, Caitlin, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners just a couple of the things we're talking about today. We're going to talk about the number one movie in the world, which is a movie you've probably never heard of. It's called The Wandering Earth,

and it has made many, many millions of dollars, $656 million. We're going to talk about Taco Bell, just because we have to, just generally, contractually, we are obligated. Contractually, without the contract. We're going to say RIP to a couple of greats who left us yesterday. We're going to take a deep dive into CPAC over the weekend, see what sort of material we were given by the Coachella of the right. And we might talk about the Michael Jackson documentary. But first, Caitlin, we like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Well, I was recently searching and reading up on something called Black Girls Code, which the reason I was doing that is that the Bechtelcast launched a fundraising campaign to support them.

a fundraising campaign to support them. So, you know, buy the t-shirt that says Rise of the Matriarchy. Yep. And what Black Girls Code is, is an organization that basically gives girls ages, I think, 7 to 17, girls of color, like tools and resources to learn how to code and learn about computer programming and stuff like that.

Make that real money. Man, if only I was coding. Gosh, tell me about it. Who was, was Chris Bosch getting into coding or something? I don't know. I thought there was something really, like he was like a late, late latter day coder or something. Hey, man. You know who was getting into coding?

Who? It was Neo from The Matrix. Oh, shit. He's one of the great coder or something. Hey, man. You know who was getting into coding? Who? It was Neo from The Matrix. Oh, shit. He's one of the great coders out there. You mean Mr. Anderson. Yeah. You know Neo backwards is the one. The one what?

Except it's not. Oh, my gosh. It's Owen. It's Owen. What is something you think is underrated? I thought you were going to say Jamie Loftus, of course, is the other one. She doesn't need to. She hacks, bro. That's way different one She doesn't need to She hacks bro

That's way different You don't need to know My boss My boss When you're just hacking Right She probably doesn't even Know C++

She like knows The code language Of the streets She just like Picked it up You know what it is Self taught I think it's like

She just gets in front Of that keyboard Puts her tiny sunglasses on And just blacks the fuck out Yeah I think that's almost Definitely true What is something You think is underrated?

Pen 15. Hey! On Hulu. It's so good. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if it's underrated in the sense that people who are watching it aren't like, ugh. This is not good.

Right. But I think, I'm here to spread the word. Thank you so much. It needs to be seen by more people. Yes. I'm the biggest stan. Yeah. I love it word. Thank you so much. It needs to be seen by more people. Yes. I can't, I can't, I'm the biggest Stan. Yeah.

I love it. I love it so much. I preach the gospel constantly. Shout out to Maya and Anna. Maya is like my little sister. Uh, so I'm very happy to see her like just literally become a phenomenon. Yeah.

And when like a, the short span of a month, like being like, she was trying to get booked on other shows herself to get like, to get sort of the publicity out. And then suddenly she's like, I'm on Conan tonight. And I'm like, yeah, that'll do that. Let the wave take you.

Take, shout out to both of y'all. Well deserved. Yeah. Can you call yourself a Stan if you grew up with them and like you're, you're like an older brother? Yeah, I guess not. I guess of the show, right? You're a stan of the show.

Yes. And I was in very early. Her and Anna did have this series called Mana that they put on YouTube. Yeah. You might see a weird cameo of me with my thinning hair. No kidding. Yeah, where my character is called Unnamed Male Assistant. Oh, okay.

That's what we call you around the office. Yeah. Or just Hey is my other name. Hey. Oh, okay. That's what we call you around the office. Yeah. Or just, hey, is my other name. Hey. Hey, you. What is something you think is overrated? Russian doll. I was kind of, yeah, people are just ranting and raving about this show, and I thought

it was fine. Let's talk about that. Okay. Because I just finished it last night, actually. Uh-huh. And I was a little underwhelmed by the ending. Same. Along the way, I thought they were, like, I was like, oh, this is going somewhere.

And then I was like, oh, just for that? Okay. I also just, like, kept waiting to like it. Oh, right, right, right. The whole series, I was like, all right, I like, you know, I'm a big Groundhog Day fan. You know, I've seen happy death day one and two i've seen edge of tomorrow aka live die repeat i like that narrative style but with this one i don't know i was just like i i was i i don't know yeah you're basically an academic of that. Basically. You have a degree in-

I almost have a master's degree. Groundhog Day. Yes. Now, Happy Death Day, is that- Because I think I know what Russian Doll is. Like, she keeps living the same night over and over, right? Right, but she's trying to find- But she slowly realizes there's meaning to why she's living this over,

just like Groundhog Day. Right, right. But then it gets a little- There's parts where it kind of gets a little more interesting where they play with this style a little bit that got me like to watch keep watching because it started to feel more like lost where i was like what's really going on here yeah right more than like i love what i'm watching it was more like oh what's that what's this what's that and then by the end i was like yeah does yeah. Does she escape? Look, I'm not going to spoil that for you. She does. Okay.

Or does she? What about Happy Death Day? Is that the premise of that, too? You live your... Yeah, it's about a college-age woman who keeps getting murdered, but every time she dies, she wakes up again and relives the same day, so she has to figure out who her murderer is. It's not a good movie, but it's fun

as hell. Love a good murder. Apparently, Live, Die, Repeat or Edge of Tomorrow, there's a sequel in development right now. With Tom Cruise again? I guess. I don't know. Can you do that? Because half the movie

I would be like, again? You know what I mean? And then I'm more focused on like, what the fuck is wrong with this dude that it's happening over and over to him? Wait, was there a reason why it was happening to him in the first one? He had like a connection to like the alpha alien or something

like that. Right. The aliens were able to... so the thing you have to understand miles is that time is a construction uh time for jacksplaining right uh but yeah i don't totally now that you mention i don't totally know how that lends itself to a sequel um right i just sort of like i just like if he owns it he he's like, here we go again. Like Die Hard 2, where he specifically utters the line, how can the same fucking thing happen to the same guy the same day? Like it also is Christmas. It's all terrarious.

It's just like, yeah, that's a good point, man. That's really weird. Disarm your audience off top by having a character cop to the reality of it. It's like, this is probably unbelievable. But you know what what i got no other choice if i look for 90 minutes i would think it was me that was doing this uh somehow uh what is a myth what's something people think is true you know to be false well contrary to popular belief captain marvel is not about a Marvel that gets bitten by a radioactive captain. Still works. I'm sorry that I never come

up with something that's real for this segment. It's a great joke construction that I always enjoy. Thank you. So what is Captain Marvel about then? I don't know. I've seen the trailer you know she seems to arrive at earth the planet ever heard of it uh

man your your summary of this movie's so raw yeah ever heard of it loser for like a movie you know what that is it's like a a flip book, but way better with sound. Grandpa. Say you're Nickelodeon. Right. Yeah, so she's a hero. She's a fighter pilot. Sam Jackson's there.

Oh, yeah. And he's being like, wow, a lot. Exactly. Seems like he's, woo, a lot of that stuff, a lot of that sort of thing. And she's taking care of business, but she's also having a good time. Yeah. That's the thing you have to understand about Captain Marvel. That's the thing. That's the thing. And she's taking care of business, but she's also having a good time. Yeah.

That's the thing you have to understand about Captain Marvel. That's the thing. That's the thing. Jack's playing. Jack's playing it. All right, guys, let's talk about movies. Let's get into it. We have been.

Yeah, but what do you mean? Let's continue talking about movies because you guys have never heard of probably, unless Chinese Zeitgang out there, apologies for speaking past you. But I think a lot of our audience probably has never heard of the number one movie in the world for 2019. It's called The Wandering Earth. It takes place in a future where the sun- Ever heard of it? Ever heard of it.

The sun is about to swallow our planet, and so they've started a wandering Earth NASA project, except not NASA because it's China. So there's a global confederation of countries. Anyways, it's- Wait, this conceit is really interesting. Yeah, it is kind of cool it's so the idea that it's the thing that in your first science class when like a teacher goes you know the sun too will also explode exactly one day and consume us all yes it's taking it to that moment where it's about to explode right and we got to literally just tow the earth somewhere somewhere else yeah the best we've come up with is put giant like thrusters on the planet and like turn them on hell yeah but. But like everybody has died or a lot of the coastal elites,

thank God, good riddance are dead because they stopped the rotation of the earth so that the thrusters would work. And that created like all sorts of wild floods, which you would, they should have seen coming, I guess. Yes.

We weren't planning that one that well. But anyways, it's not even close. In terms of worldwide box office, this movie has made $656 million. The second place movie, How to Train Your Dragon 3, has made $378 million. So it's like lapping Hollywood movies. It's destroying them. And it hasn't done well in the United States. It's just crushing with Chinese audiences.

Has it been released in the United States? It has. It's made about $10 million total. Oh, shit. That's still better than... Yeah, I haven't seen it in any theaters in LA. Yeah, and they put everything in theaters in LA. Everything.

Roma, America. Oh, boy, yeah. Shout out to Spielberg on that one one and i think you see a couple things in this first you see that uh most of the u.s movies in the top five are sequels uh you got lego movie 2 glass and how to train your dragon 3 and that probably has something to do with why hollywood is will soon be lapped by by whatever part of China they make movies in. Yeah, what's the Bollywood? What do we call it?

Chinese Hollywood. Yeah, we got to come up with something that is based on Hollywood. It has to be Hollywood. That's the naming convention we've all decided on. Would it be Chollywood? Yeah. Chollywood. Yeah.

Oh, that sounds like it could be racist if it's said in an Australian accent. Yeah, he wouldn't avoid that one, Mike. Charlie would. But yeah, we'll just call it China's movie industry that's thriving. Yes. And we'll overtake the United States' paltry little baby movie industry. It also seems like it's a metaphor for future environmental destruction of the world. it's a metaphor for future environmental destruction of the world and it makes sense to me that that would be more popular in china that like we had that uh what is it day after tomorrow that's like

our only environmental that and the happening yeah there's i mean yeah sure was the court no the core was just about the earth's core stopping what about 2012 2012 oh yeah yeah yeah I've only seen the YouTube clips that shows the best parts of shit falling apart

really high and that's all I've seen yeah so maybe there have been others but it does seem like I don't know

the US hasn't totally tangled with the future I hope in that movie the US are like the scorned people.

Yeah. And they're just like, you know what? Fuck y'all. Y'all not part of this. Right. Because y'all denied it for so long. Yes.

I wish they put that little narrative in there. I hope it is. To wake people up. The one country that's like, I don't know. Yeah. Let's move on to Taco Bell. Thank you.

Our weekly check-in with Taco Bell, Monday Taco Bell check-in. Turns out it is the most nutritious fast food place, which, you know, that's comparing it to really non-nutritious food. But this is actually not totally surprising to me. The first time I found out about the thing I still order from Taco Bell was from a men's health magazine. What? Yeah. I bought a men's health magazine. What? Yeah. I bought a men's health because it said the most nutritious fast food items.

I was like, fuck yeah. I'm getting that. That's why you bought it? It wasn't for six-pack secrets that'll change your life? Seven exercises that will make you shredded. But yeah, the grilled stuffed burrito was on their list. And I've always been able to trick myself into thinking I'm eating something that's not that bad for me. Even though I'm like extra sour cream.

Extra sour cream and deep fry it. Yes. But it kind of also makes sense because the bread is less, I think. Right? There's less bread. Oh, because it's a tortilla? Okay. Yeah.

And it's not like grilled in fat. The meats are created in space. I don't know how Taco Bell creates its meats. Blanched. And then beans are like a heavy ingredient, and beans aren't that bad for you, right? Beans are good for you. They're the musical fruit.

You know what I mean? We all know that. Yeah, we do. I think what's also cool that they're like the one, or at least one of the few fast food restaurants that's like, we're trying to actually scale back the bullshit in the food by being like, do we have too much sodium? Yesterday, we were talking about how sodium is like way off the charts. Yes. Like now, like the sodium has increased.

All these other things have gone up. Meanwhile, at T-Bell, they're looking out for your sodium. increased. All these other things have gone up. Meanwhile, at T-Bell, they're looking out for your sodium. Yeah, they reduced sodium across the menu by 15% since 2008 with a push to have a total 25% reduction. They've removed artificial flavors and colors. Dude, Taco Bell is doing better with sodium than the United States is doing with carbon emissions. Which is really interesting to think about. It very well could be that they are lowering it to a still wildly unhealthy rate. Right, right, right. But removed artificial flavors is not that surprising to me

since it's all the same color. Every item on the Taco Bell menu is like beige. Beige, gray. Someone sent me a photo. They had the rattlesnake fries and the pieces of quote unquote steak looked quite dreary. Yes. But look, it's not about looking at your food.

It's about closing your eyes and just shoveling it down. Shoveling it. Yes. 100% cage-free eggs on their breakfast menu, and they serve chicken raised without antibiotics, which is important to human medicine. Okay, great. So, yeah. Okay, Taco Bell. Shout out to you, Taco Bell.

I will still only get Maxi Melts. Right. And that's it. That is in the article as one of the things that are like, I bet you'd be surprised that a restaurant with the Maxi Melt is actually healthy for you. Oh, really? Actually, I think they say Crunchwrap Supreme. Ah.

All right. And then before we go to break, we just want to give a shout out to 90210's Luke Perry, who passed away yesterday after a massive stroke over the weekend. And the former frontman of the Prodigy, who apparently took his own life, Keith Flint, who apparently started. He's the dude with the wild hair. He's the fire starter. Yeah, who was,

apparently started out as a dancer for them. He was like the dude from Mighty Mighty Boston who just danced in the background. Skanking around on the stage. Yeah, and then he became the singer. And apparently he also used to own a pub in Essex. And when he would tend to the fire that was in the pub to keep the pub warm, if someone made a fire starter joke, you had to put a quit in there. Oh, really?

There was a tax for making dumbass fire starter jokes. Yeah. So, yeah. It's really shocking, man. Luke Perry, like, I mean, I like the music of The Prodigy, but Luke Perry, I watched a lot of 90210 for whatever reason. Yeah. But it's 52, man. It's young to go from one of those like natural-ish causes.

Yes. It sucks, man. Well, shout out to him. Rest in power. Rest in power. And we will take a quick break. We'll be right back. Be right back.

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It's, yeah, it sounds like it just came out of nowhere. And the footage of the devastation is pretty dressed. I'm gobsmacked looking at it because it's just things were leveled instantly. So, yeah. Stay safe out there. Caitlin, have you ever lived anywhere besides Southern California? Yes, I've lived. I grew up in Pennsylvania.

In Pennsylvania. So you get the weather. You've seen weather be scary. I've seen weather. Yeah, and I lived in new york and boston right brag yeah wow what were you doing there spending money um on a useless degree yes yeah man the weather down south like thunderstorms down south and in the midwest are some of the scariest things you've ever seen. Like you get used to them,

but when I first moved out there from New York City, moved out to Missouri and lived in the Midwest for the first time in like a decade, it was a rude awakening. There are skies in Missouri that looked like the end of Ghostbusters. It was like actively churning crazy, crazy shit. Yeah, the first time, I mean, the end of Ghostbusters. It was like actively churning crazy, crazy shit. Yeah. The first time, I mean, the first time I'd ever heard a tornado siren or one of those

sirens alerting you to the possibility of one was in Missouri, actually, when I was dating somebody whose family was out there. And I was so bugged out because I was not used to that shit. And the only reference point I had was Twister. Yeah. So I was like, I don't know, man. I'm like, are we cool down here? And they were all just like half asleep.

They're like, just don't – we'll find out soon enough if we need to worry. And I was just nail biting. Yeah. When there's a tornado warning out there, like that is – I mean, it's like it was designed to be a terrifying thing. Yeah. Like it's just the scariest looking thing. to be a terrifying thing.

It's just the scariest looking thing. It's the only weather event that I've been adjacent to that I have recurring nightmares about because it's just so fucking scary. So obviously just a horrible thing to be dealing with as a community. But Trump has said he wants to give Alabama the A-plus treatment for any damages or any funds they need. So good thing y'all are red state.

Sure. Because if you're on fire in California, he's going to be like, you should have raked. Yeah, that's right. So fuck you. So let's talk about the president. He had what might have been. So CPAC continued over the weekend. It is the Coachella for the right. It is just all of

the conservative thinkers. And some people on the left to semi-balance it out, like indoor, some really awful panels. Right. But they closed up the CPAC conference for 2019 with a Trump rally that set a record, I think, for the longest continuous oral fart clocking in at two and a half hours. Yeah. It was, how you say, unhinged? Yes. Like we describe every time Trump does a solo, and by solo, if you're a new listener,

we mean when he fucks the teleprompter right off and says, I'm going off the top of my dome right now. Just gets really high. Yeah. Gets up in front of a crab. Also, yes, the sweat building on his upper lip either looked like it was hot and he just had condensation above his upper lip, or he's been snoring a bunch of Adderall and the snot was coming down

and he couldn't wipe it away. I don't know, and I'm not going to speculate, because I believe the president is an upstanding man who would never do anything like that. But, yes, the whole weekend we played to various clips. Like it seems like this like CPAC was sort of a good breather for conservatives to try and like at least scare the shit out of people, you know, like get their base because there really wasn't any functional talk of any policies that made sense that would help people. So it was all like, oh, AOC is going to fucking take your cow. Or who?

What was the cow thing? It's everyone. Green New Deal. Yeah. They're going to cut down on cows or something. Cut down on cows. But again, emissions. Right.

And the thing is, the Green New Deal is not like a set of like actual laws or whatever. It's just sort of saying, like, here's a roadmap to how we acknowledge this. And nothing in there is like that specific where they're like and take the cows but again i think they always have to frame everything that is being done on the left as some them taking something from you and this time they didn't have real things like rights or privacy so they said it was going to take your hamburgers and your trucks and your cows right and i think i guess people cheered for that um another really interesting moment was when a fox news contributor sarah carter got up on stage and warned people

again wanted to scare the shit out of people uh with her tales of a of a party that's taking teens across this country by storm our kids are having parties and they call them Skittles parties, where they bring pills and put them into bowls and everybody just kind of picks whatever pill they want and they take them. I mean, it's kind of a shocking thing when I heard about this, just randomly taking pills. And some of these children, unbeknownst to them, are taking a Xanax that's actually a contraband Xanax and they're dying immediately. There is no chance to save their life. They don't make it to the hospital. It was one mistake, one time, and their lives are lost.

A couple of things. What is a contraband Xanax? Yes. It's the most powerful Xanax that is designed to kill all who take it. Oh, right. And not just, hey, maybe parents secure your fucking benzodiazepines so your kids don't get into them. Right. And then also like the idea of this party, right, that like teenagers want to be like, hey, throw a bunch of random shit in the bowl. You might take amoxicillin or you might take fentanyl. We don't know, but it's going to be fun.

That's how you have a fun party is half of the people are in allergy meds the whole time i as a teenager who experimented with prescription pills i for one know you just take them shits because you're trying you're experimenting you don't need the fun it's just like this weird gamification of it like they're trying to make it easier for people to believe like yeah that's how a teen would take a drug for the first time not because they're it's like rainbow parties which was the thing that uh went out on the airwaves on oprah that uh different girls with different colored lipstick were giving uh guys blow jobs and they were they would call them rainbow parties because there would be a rainbow left on the dude's dick that way oprah talked about that yeah that was on oprah oh my i just remember

hearing about like in high school people like yeah i do fucking rainbow parties and i'm like you've been to one you know about one yeah i certainly have not been i've never heard of this until just now at lunch well there's also the fact that from a color perspective it would just be a complete mess but i mean right i mean for for that to even work, you just have to place your lips on the dick once at a strategic location. Right, and just put a stamp at different lengths. Yeah, closer to the tip each time. Yes, both of these parties that were dreamed up

by conservatives and local news outlets are complete bullshit. Yeah, it's not like it's that dangerous by conservatives and local news outlets are complete bullshit. Yeah. Yeah, it's not like it's that dangerous to get people interested in the opioid crisis, but it does... Like, this is the same thing as the war on drugs when I was growing up, where they completely undercut the seriousness of the drugs

by, you know, making up shit about it right so that you're like oh well everybody's fucking lying about this like we're not doing that yeah so like it's just yeah it's good for getting suburban moms up in arms and it's probably bullshit and it's probably counterproductive right like how many teens have access to so many pills that like they'll fill a whole bowl. Right. I know a couple. Oh really? Yeah. They all lived on the west side though and where they had like hack doctors that would be like oh you're 16 and you need a Xanax

prescription. Yeah. And then they come through with the wild maraca. That's what we call a full pill bottle. And then they would mix that with propetias. Yeah mix up propetias. Some people would be taking hair loss medication. Exactly. Or Lattice.

Your purple pill, NXIVM, right? The heartburn medication. They're like, ooh, this one looks fucked up. But yeah, it's, again, it was just a weird whole fear-mongering fest. So then by the time Trump took the stage at the end, I mean, like, look, we've seen him have a bad week and then top a bad week with a terrible public speech. But this was like he hit all kinds of things. For example, again, you could tell the pressure was getting to him because he's doing stuff like just really lame defenses of his actions. So here's his defense of like, oh, I was just kidding about Russia. If you tell a joke, if you're sarcastic,

if you're having fun with the audience, if you're on live television with millions of people, and if you say something like, Russia, please, if you can, get us Hillary Clinton's emails. Please, Russia, please. Please get us the email. That's his impression of what he said. And then lock her up.

Lock her up. So everybody's having a good time. I'm laughing. We're all having fun. And then that fake CNN and others say, he asked Russia to go get the email. His voice work is good. I saw it like two weeks ago.

I'm watching and they're talking about one of the points. He asked Russia for the emails. These people are sick and I'm telling you they know the game. They know the game. And they play it dirty. Dirtier than anybody's ever played the game. Dirtier it dirty, dirtier than anybody's ever played the game.

Dirtier than me. His accent work is good. Yeah. Who is this, Michael Winslow? I didn't know we had the voice box. Whoop, whoop. Hire this guy for How to Train Your Dragon 4. Yeah, exactly.

Actually, speaking of voice work, he also does a killer southerner voice as well. Oh, you mean his bass? The Attorney General says, I'm going to recuse myself. Oh, that's Jeff Sessions. And I said, I'm going to recuse myself. There was polling that suggested some of the Southern supporters don't really like that. Yeah. Even though they will support him, it's like one of the few things that's like,

what's with all the dumb Southerner stuff that he does about Jeff Sessions. I mean, either way, he is very, very panicked at the moment, I think, just with just the deluge of like oversight, like the shadow of oversight just becomes larger and larger. So, yeah, he's feeling himself more than panicked. Well, I just mean like with the kind of stuff he throws. So, okay, this is a perfect example. When talking about the legal jeopardy he's in, his explanation is really like on some dictator autocrat shit. I was kidding.

We had the greatest of all time. Now we have people that lost. We had the greatest of all time. Now we have people that lost. And unfortunately, you put the wrong people in a couple of positions and they leave people for a long time that shouldn't be there. And all of a sudden, they're trying to take you out with bullshit. OK, take you out with bullshit. That's what he says that the special counsel is doing? Yeah, like the things that they're, when they're pointing to the actions of the people around him and what these could be like signifying larger crimes.

He's like, it's bullshit. Oh, that I maybe engaged a foreign adversary to help sway an election. Oh, that's such, come on. That's little shit, guys. And this went on for two and a half fucking hours yeah at what point did he hug the flag i think that's how he i think started or ended it right you gotta go big up front or at the end you got a big closer big opener yeah you gotta hug big flag hug i think he did it at beginning. I think he came out and hugged it and gave it such a nice little hug.

Right. And then rocked with it. You know, lean with it, rock with it. Give it a little kiss. Yeah. I mean, that's how you show you love America. Just hug the flag and then be like, dude, I was just JK, LOL with Russia. Come on now.

Yeah, yeah. It's all a joke. Yeah. So good luck with that i hope uh you know now that like jerry nadler and the judiciary committee are like about to drop the hammer on you uh you're ready for that right and none of this is going to change anything they could have him on tape murdering somebody and the real thing that his supporters are invested in is that liberals not get power because liberals are gonna kill their kids you'd be like i was just joking when i killed that person right right i

was just making a goof it was all bullshit it was a goof yeah but so we'll see speaking of two and a half terrifying hours uh the michael jacksoned on HBO on Sunday night, and then the second part of it ran last night, and it's a huge fucking bummer. The specifics are horrifying, so we will spare you those. But suffice to say, he was having intercourse with these kids and had many different methods of manipulation, and it's fucking dark. And we were talking before, like, I'm still in the process of having a reckoning over this with all of this because Michael Jackson was sort of like one of the people in the the cancel queue i think subconsciously i was put into the back where it

was easy to try and overlook the things we had heard over the years uh but now when you you know in this this documentary is really more about giving these victims a voice about their experience. And, man, it's— One of them says during the documentary that he wants to speak his truth at least as loud as he was forced to tell the lie for all the years. Right. Because he testified on behalf on the defense's side during the Michael Jackson child molestation trials in the 90s because...

And I think early 2000s too, right? Yeah, yeah. Like 2005 was the last time. Yeah. So, I mean, there is the picture you get other than like the really just horrifying, upsetting details is that Michael Jackson, like many serial predators, had sort of woven this whole elaborate system where he had these kids' families that were financially dependent on him. He gave one of the kids' parents a low-interest loan for their house.

And so not only is he telling the kid well if you tell anybody we'll both go to jail but uh your house yeah you'll lose your house your family is like depending on me and he was like giving his family all these cool trips and stuff um so yeah it was just an elaborate way of just you know bending the world to his fucked up desires and you know ruined a lot of people's lives in the process um and yeah i mean there's just some of the details that make it sort of impossible for me to look past this uh the kid describes like all the 14 spots around neverland ranch where he and michael jackson could have sex because of the locks and alerts and noises. And he had like a wedding ceremony with one of the kids.

And it was just all very fucked up. And these kids were abused from the time they were seven to the time they were 14. And then he would just switch them out for, you know, somebody who was in his preferred age bracket. Oh, my God. Yeah, so I won't be playing his music anymore for my kids. His music's had a bit of a resurgence in the past couple years in my life

because my son loves his music, and it's just too problematic of a line to walk for me. One of the kids was an enormous Michael Jackson fan to the point that he could do all his dance moves and that's how he got brought to Jackson's attention. He won a dance contest and that was, that was it. Yeah. It's one of,

again, like the music is yeah it's one again like the music is it's it's different than like a lot of the other people who have been like brought out for you know their crimes have come to light and i think with r kelly it's easy to look at r kelly and be like yeah like i can personally it was easy for me to just be like okay this motherfucker like he, like, he's gone. Or Woody Allen, I'm like, whatever, I don't need to fuck with this guy. Or, you know, Harvey, like, those are things, the effect of Michael Jackson's music on my life is something that, like, you have, I have a visceral response to hearing the music. Like, it feels good. It reminds me of, like, just of happiness of when i was a child uh to even michael jackson as a

the most famous black body in on earth uh and has like this place in culture that is so elevated right that many people are unable or we're not willing to look at what may have been going on this whole time because I think of the significance culturally. And it's a, it's just, it's, I'm like still in the process of trying to be like, this is so fucked up. And how do I reconcile being a fan of the music, acknowledging the destruction that he's left behind with these families. And it's just one of those things. Like, you know, a lot of people, I can see the cognitive dissonance already on Twitter of people.

Like there are more people trying to defend him still than even giving a second to acknowledge what these men have said in these interviews and try and, you know, believe that these people are not lying. You know, the Jackson family defense is, oh, you're dragging out a dead man and just trying to make profit off him again by dragging him through the mud. Right. But we're also in a world too,

where we like, we're trying to open our eyes to the pain that is experienced by victims and believing victims. And this is just one of those moments where like, you know, the love affair is coming to a halt for a lot of people. Yeah. And I think it's just very interesting to me because it's the one I've seen people grapple the hardest with, at least to me. I don't know many, like, Woody Allen fans who are like, oh, I don't know what to do.

But there are many people, I think, who are still unwilling to maybe admit that someone who has had this profound of an effect on their lives with their music could have possibly you know been a perpetrator of all these crimes and just been a straight-up predator yeah and there's also a trend at least with like michael jackson with r kelly where you've heard rumors about you know these allegations for years like i remember you know early 2000s it's probably the first time I heard about it. There was a South Park episode about Michael Jackson. And then with the R. Kelly thing, the first thing I had heard about was like, oh, he peed on someone.

And I was like, that was the thing. It was a joke on a Chappelle show. Right, yeah. Everything was kind of made light of. There were jokes, there were rumors, but no one was really taking anything seriously until like i mean with these two cases specifically within the past like very short amount of time yeah so it just it makes me wonder like why i mean it doesn't make me wonder i know why these things happen why it takes so long for like the people to come forward, for the news to come out.

But it's just it's mind boggling that we've we've known about this or we've at least suspected. Yeah. Heard the rumors and things like that for years. And it's, I guess, only been since post Me Too that. Yeah, well, it's the space the space where yeah people can discuss these things and i think you know a lot of critics of it are saying well it's not a documentary because it's only these people's testimony or anecdote like their their stories about their what they experienced and whatever i mean you can take that for what it is but these people are very believable their pain is very real and i and i think one of the reasons why it's been easy for people to sort of dismiss those rumors is because a lot of the court cases ended up in Michael's favor.

Right. And that gave people the sort of logical life raft to be like, well, the jury didn't think it was, so it probably didn't happen. Right. Versus the jury wasn't convinced that they could say, oh, this person is totally guilty. The jury wasn't convinced that they could say, oh, this person is totally guilty. And I think that's another – I think it's another fallacy that people hide behind, especially when they point to like, well, it was settled. And point to that as being like innocence. And there were many settlements with Michael. has like money power and influence like yeah usually like the those decisions will go in

their favor because they have like the hush money and stuff to shut people up and you know they have the world-renowned fame to like yeah people are on their side and and it just oh god it's it sucks so bad yeah this started uh it seemed like both of these relationships and uh i think like the really advanced levels of predation started after thriller which is it's it's just interesting he had to get like god on earth levels of famous to start doing this and i think a thing that i underestimated before i started like after the uh penn state case, like I started reading up more on child predators. Oh, Sandusky. Yeah, Sandusky.

And it's deeply and thoroughly like planned out. Like this is what they use a lot of their time and energy and thoughts on. Like I think I had always assumed that somebody with a problem like this, it would just be something they did in a fit of passion. But they construct their whole lives and all of these traps that are foolproof to keep people from... It's almost like a thing in nature that is designed just to do one thing. That's what they're really good at. And yeah.

I mean, it's the same thing. I went to Penn State and Joe Paterno was a god there. Right. And when the that story broke about Sandusky and Joe Paterno was being accused of having helped cover everything up, everyone's like, no, blah. And it's just like, you guys, I don't know, people just like they, you know, they have their heroes, they worship them and are not willing to see all the evils that they do. Well, I think that's the problem with celebrity in general, right? Like we elevate these people and put them on these sort of these pedestals that are so high that in our minds, they're like infallible. Yeah, they can do no wrong. Perfect people because of the way something they do,

whether that's their art or whatever, their presence inspires people. And it's like, Oh, this makes me vibrate at a certain level. This person must be elevated and makes people more unwilling to acknowledge the humanity that exists in everyone, good or bad.

So, yeah, you know, definitely. I'm curious to see sort of in the coming weeks as this this has more of a wider release, how that affects his legacy. But it's interesting, when you look on Twitter, even the day after, Michael Jackson isn't really one of the top trending things. As much as Luke Perry is, or Kate Beckinsale. Even then, it's almost a relapse.

What happened to Kate Beckinsale? Oh, she's with Pete Davidson or Pete. Yeah. Yeah. And they are kissing. You know, you already know. I know.

This is my acting. Yeah. And I don't want to pivot away just so flippantly, but like, I think that's another, at least in like LA, or let me just change like globally. It seems like people are even having a hard time even discussing this out loud.

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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there are many things like, you know, there was Roger Ailes warned Rupert Murdoch about Trump. He said like, yo, I know you like him and he gets ratings he's like but eventually this guy will run this network like he warned him right before he left which was interesting bit of information wait roger ails said trump will try and run yeah that like eventually like if you get this close with him he's eventually going to begin dictating what

this network does wow look what happened which is you know think that a shit bag like him might have some sense but hey he saw it coming uh they also found out that uh like there was a discussion that trump had pressured gary cone to quash the at&t time warner deal uh which would be really fucking that would be a problem for him legally if that was the case uh that he may have gotten like debate questions from uh like the megan kelly may have gotten like debate questions from like the Megyn Kelly debate questions before the debate. But really the one that's like surprising, but also simultaneously not surprising at all, is that one of their journalists over there, Diana Falzone, had who like covered entertainment stuff, had basically got proof of the Trump relationship

with Stormy Daniels from 2006, like before the election. And had all kinds of like just other evidence, spoke with people, was able to confirm the story a few different ways, and brought it to the network and was like, yo, I have this story about Donald Trump having this relationship with Stormy Daniels, and there was payoffs to keep this silent. this relationship with Stormy Daniels, and there was payoffs to keep this silent. But as you'd imagine, as they put in the article, quote, it kept being passed from one editor to the next, one noncommittal answer after another from her editors. Then eventually, Falzone had heard from Ken LaCourte, who is the head of FoxNews.com, who, you know, this is her telling of the story, but she says he told her, quote, good reporting, kiddo, but Rupert wants Donald to win, so just let it go.

And then Mayer was able to confirm this with a few other colleagues of hers that he had actually said this. So, yeah, who would have known that Trump was also involved in some catch-and-kill? Well, not catch-and-kill, but just, you know, spiking the story. But, yeah, we always talk about how they become one in the same thing yeah it's state-run television this is the propaganda wing of the current administration and they have a huge advantage having a propaganda wing like oh yeah never underestimate how big an advantage it is like yes the people who are on the other side being this side, you know, dismiss Fox News and laugh at it, but they have a nonstop megaphone to just get out whatever message is advantageous to him.

And that message is being thought about and, you know, rewritten and retold by people much smarter than the president. So, you know, it's probably his greatest weapon, right? rewritten and retold by people much smarter than the president. So it, you know, he, it's probably his greatest weapon, right? Yeah. I mean,

to be able to have an entire network that is not really going to hold your feet to the flames ever. I mean, occasionally they would, but realistically, no, it's meant there to be a cheerleader and to help people rationalize the terrible things that are happening and be like,

well, it's actually not that because of this, because, you know, Trump's actually going to keep all the brown people out because of the law or whatever, whatever your motivations are to support the president. Right. It also should be underestimated how large their audience is. They, you know, it was a big deal. I think you were saying, Miles, a couple of weeks ago when Maddow beat Hannity once.

Yeah. And it was like, oh, what happened here? Right. Is he slipping? But for the most part, Hannity and Tucker Carlson are always number one and two by a long distance.

By about one Hitler mustache. Right. Exactly. Which is equivalent to a million viewers in the 18 to 34 demographic. If you weren't aware. Right. So, guys, let's talk about Stevie Spielberg.

Why? What are you doing uh he is taking on netflix ladies and germs what do you mean like he's starting his own streaming service yes he is it's just et it's all amblin films yeah so he has uh he's going to the Academy with a case that movies like Roma should not be eligible for the Oscars. Okay, hater. He said, yeah, they're perfectly fine films that should be eligible for Emmys. The shade, Steven Spielberg. Shady. What? Go on film master's degree.

The Emmys are for television right so you know they're not movies right right but his argument is i think you know the second you go to the streaming platform now you're dabbling in a tv movie despite alfonso cuaron directing it uh because who's he right he's he might as well. Just the director of Harry Potter 3 and a bunch of other better movies. Yes, yes. But I mean, it's an interesting argument. I think he's really, I think as he says, once you commit to a television format, you're

a TV movie. You certainly, if it's a good show, deserve an Emmy, but not an Oscar. I don't believe films that are just given token qualifications in a couple of theaters for less than a week should qualify for the Academy Award nomination, which I get to us. I get that sort of the logic of that argument, but that doesn't take away from the actual product that is being created. Like you wouldn't be like,

Oh, that was Roma's a lifetime movie, right? Yeah, exactly. It's, and Roma is better than anything. Steven Spielberg's made in decades. Right. Yeah, exactly. And Roma is better than anything Steven Spielberg's made in decades.

Oh, did you see War Horse? I did. Was that Steven Spielberg? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did not. It's gotten so bad that the last four, I'm like, I don't even remember that he's directed anymore.

His last good movie was Minority Report, and I stand by that. There you go. Oh, that movie's great. To sounds like an old, out-of-touch guy who is failing to evolve with the evolving times and wants to preserve something that is kind of going obsolete. right so and i mean maybe this will cause you know your netflix's to put more muscle behind putting these movies out in theaters in which case like i don't hate it like the ballad of buster scruggs the coen brothers movie like that was not very well handled in terms of its theatrical release it was like out for a week in a handful of theaters, and that was it.

That would have been a fun one to see on the big screen. Roma, it was available both at theaters and on Netflix for most of its run. Yeah. Also, Netflix is a good incubator, too. It allows for more independent filmmakers to get a shot at doing something big so like while i want to say i understand what his argument is i just think it's

it's sort of it's a little bit ridiculous too and a lot of people point to the fact it's like well a lot of these screeners people are watching these films on dvd anyway right so like they're not getting the theatrical experience and I don't think in any way is Netflix necessarily a threat to the motion picture industry. They're just trying to get in on the awards in a sort of indirect way. Yeah. I mean, that's something that I think I had always assumed until this piece was written for us by Jan McNabb, one of our writers. And he pointed out that actually when you look at statistics and studies, the streaming services don't take away from the number of people who are going to see movies or it's fairly negligible.

And in fact, the people who stream more hours of TV are the ones who are most likely to go out to the theater to see movies. Maybe working with the streaming services to kind of use that platform to drive people out to theaters would be the smarter way to go as opposed to being a salty little bitch about it. Wow. I'm calling my favorite filmmaker of all time. Salty little bitch. So salty.

I mean, what do you guys think? I think the more interesting conversation and Chris Kelly, I think it was I'm Chris Kelly, at I'm Chris Kelly tweeted on the night of the Oscars, my top 10 list of movies for this year were, and it was like one, a TV show, two, a TV show, three, a TV show, four, the favorite was like one a tv show two a tv show three a tv show four the favorite five a tv show like all like that is a question that i wonder like should we just be having the academy awards for the best film filmic things like things that are made that are like at that level of art like the oj documentary was one that started this

conversation a few years back because it was a espn documentary that was aired in four parts on espn not known for their art house cinema but they won the academy award because it was released in theaters briefly. Right. The question, what was it again? Should we prestige TV shows? Should they be eligible for Academy Award? I don't know because they're not really comparable in that sense. If you have eight hours to tell your story versus two, I have a feeling over the long term, I don't know, it could affect you differently,

but also a great movie, you're going to be like, fuck, that was the shit. long term I don't know it could affect you differently but also a great movie you're going to be like fuck that was a shit I don't know I mean keep them separate but equal cool that's your answer for everything yeah you know it's just a cowardly response to any of the like there's no problem

yeah I mean I don't know to me I just feel like you know if's a movie, because it's a format. The film is a format. Right. So in that sense, I feel like you should have awards for them. But we're watching TV shows. They're made by filmmakers. You're right.

They're on screens that are the size of movie theater screens relatively. You have as much access to the composition of what is being photographed as people in the past did when they were sitting in giant, like 1,000-seat movie theaters. They had 1,000-seat movie theaters? There were big theaters back in the day. Wow.

The golden era, huh? Yeah, dude. I think that for me, I have a complicated relationship with the Academy Awards because I watch them every year. I'm disappointed by most of the stuff that happens every year. And everyone's like, they don't matter. Just like what you like. And it doesn't matter if something wins or doesn't. But it does kind of matter because that influences people's decisions to you know go see other things or what they develop yeah right so i don't i don't quite

know how i feel about that specifically what i do want to mention i want to read a a tweet from ava duvernay is this your green book tweet uh green book is not about a book that gets bitten by a radioactive green anyway um ava says one of the things i value about netflix is that it distributes um black work far and wide 190 countries will get when they see us uh here's a promo for south africa and then she um has retweeted uh something from netflix south africa and then she says retweeted something from Netflix South Africa and then she says I had just one film distributed wide internationally not Selma not Wrinkle in Time it was 13th by Netflix that matters so she's talking about the widespread the distribution the accessibility

of Netflix movies that don't get sometimes that widespread of a release when it's whatever studio that's not Netflix. And then I had read other things to that effect where Netflix and similar platforms are willing to take more of a chance on filmmakers who are people of color, who are queer, from other marginalized filmmakers. And that is huge in this time when representation is so important,

when inclusion is so important. So... Well, yeah, and also all the barriers to entry for traditional filmmaking, right? That exists within our established film industry, that Netflix is a disruptor in that sense because they're allowing, giving people inroads to that through this thing.

And that's where, you know, Steven Spielberg sounds like an old cranky guy because he's like responding to this disruptor now. That's like, oh, what the heck? This day. Oh, this thing now. That's a movie. It's like, yeah, it is. Yeah. And it's better than the shit you've been making.

So fall back. Yeah. So, you know, more powered Netflix, although I'm still worried about your deficits. Yeah. So, you know, more powered Netflix, although I'm still worried about your deficits. Yeah. Hey, but if you want to spend, if you want to send any of that $15 billion production budget that you've got for this year over to us, we will be more than happy to make you a TV show.

Yeah. So Netflix holler. Yeah. No, I agree. We would be willing to take some of your multi-million dollars. Even though it's like taking it from a guy who's writing bad checks, probably. Right. Caitlin, it's been a pleasure having you.

Thanks so much. I've had a great time. Great. Where can people find you other than This Saturday at Dynasty Typewriter in Los Angeles with Miles and I? And Yami Lofto. And Yami Lofto. You can follow me on Twitter and Instagram at Caitlin Durante. I am teaching a screenwriting class in Los Angeles.

So if you live in the area and you want to learn how to write movies that are better than the shit Spielberg's been pumping out. Oh, yeah. Oh, let them know. Come in from me, an unknown writer who's never done anything. A podcaster with an opinion. Just kidding. I have a master's degree in screenwriting. Let them know.

Tell them. Tell them. I don't like to mention it. I don't like to bring it up. I know. But check out my class. It's Sundays at the Ruby in Los Angeles. And you can find the registration details on my website at CaitlinDurante.com.

And if you just click on shows, it'll be right there. There you go. And yeah, yeah. Just check out my Instagram stories. I make a lot of cat videos that are – that Anna hosting a super producer is vehemently nodding her head enthusiastically. For cat stories. For cat stories. You should start doing igtv clips you know i mean like longer format so you can really put some some uh your your magnum opus on instagram i'll think about it okay i mean the people want

it just letting you know the desire is there is there a tweet you've been enjoying oh sure um let me pull this up here this is from um pat reagan at p.o reagan uh reagan maybe i'm not sure how to pronounce his last name yeah says the definition of self self-care is not forcing yourself to think of something funny to write for a venmo payment which i relate to a lot i'm like am i even a comedian if i like don't write something funny are you on my venmo yeah yeah that's why i just use emoji it seems deeper yeah when it's really just it's an emoji of a bird uh miles where can people find you find me twitter instagram at miles of gray also this Saturday March 9th

you know doing that whole thing what's happening oh you know Steven Spielberg and I will arm wrestle for the fate of the motion picture industry one night only perfect so yeah follow me there some tweets I like one is from at Bernard Parada it was just like this viral video on twitter

that went around. It said, currently testing out the hypothesis that vans will always land right side up. And it's like these kids in a dorm just throwing their vans up in the air. And they're always landing. Oh, shoes. Like the shoes. Yes, I'm sorry. I was thinking of the vehicle.

Not a minivan. No. They're giants. Damn, Daniel. Back at it again with the white vans. These vans. Just throwing them up. And they always land.

It's like a 50-second video, and they're like, test one. They throw it. Test two, they're like throwing it down the hall, and it's landing right side up. Another one just like against. I mean, it's not like, you know, I'm sure eventually it won't land on its side. But it was interesting, and I just thought it was funny because it reminds me of being stupid in college and having a lot of time. Like, yo, let's just test out if these vans are going to land right side up for fucking hours. We rode sleds down a stairwell one time and broke through the door at the bottom of it.

Oh, shit. Yeah, did not go well. Who, did someone's feet blow off when they impacted the door or were they tucked? They were wearing a football helmet. Holy shit. On their feet? No, no, on their ass. Each foot a football helmet.

Yeah. And then one more is from at Dan White, at, at Dan White. It said, manager asked me to leave Hooters because I kept showing the servers pictures of my wife. Just a weird. He always has a knack for describing very interesting situations. Also, if you want another dose of this voice made of velvet and gold, I am actually guesting on behind the bastards with robert evans and we are talking all about trump university one of the nicest scams

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