The Daily Zeitgeist - Whistleblower TEA, TURDminator 11.5.19

Episode Date: November 5, 2019

In episode 509, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian and FilmDrunk Frotcast co-host Matt Lieb to discuss Trump hating this impeachment news, 2020 Democratic polling and how the mainstream media works around it, how Beto O'Rourke's campaign failed, the alleged news about Jared Kushner's involvement with Jamal Khashoggi's murder, the new Terminator film, and more!FOOTNOTES: Trump's impeachment inbox The 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary Inside Beto O’Rourke’s collapse ‘Seven whistleblowers’ 'Terminator: Dark Fate' Puts Franchise on Ice, Faces $120M-Plus Loss We Went There: A Feminist Interpretation of Terminator: Dark Fate 7 Films With Symbolism You Didn't Notice (And Can't Unsee) 'Terminator' and a Complicated Legacy of Female Empowerment WATCH: Tame Impala - It Might Be Time (Audio) Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I can't just be doing the first line with no instrumental. These are going to have to be full on VMA level productions. So I thank you for standing by me as I worked this out in the lab. That's why I love Hannah Soltish. She always brings me the AKAs that are just like a couple lines with like a word changed to my name at the very end. Love them. Love them. Love them. Love them or hate them.

We get them. We get all kinds of AKs. I love when people recognize the low level of difficulty that I am drawn to. You play Guitar Hero on casual. Yes. And we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the hilarious comedian, Mr. Matt Lee. What's up, man? Happy to be back.

Welcome back. Yeah. Shout out to Neg, who is a fan of this show. Neg? Her name is Neg. Okay. That is a real name. All right.

I think it's short for Negan. Her father was a pickup artist. Yeah. She is. Well, she did corner me at a wedding, though, to tell me that she's a big, big fan of this podcast. Oh, shit. She doesn't recognize you from the Instagram picture? No, no.

I know her from, she's friends, friends of friends. Friends of friends. Yeah, she knows my friends. I know her friends. It's the same friends. But her and I are not friends. Oh, good. Put that out there.

We've never been friends. You're like like neg is short for negligent yeah your name should have been meg meg is normal why don't you have a normal name like a shark your name makes me uncomfortable to say damn man but yeah she's a big fan of the podcast yeah just attracting those people with the weird. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, Nag, if that's you, what's your real name? Very interested. Yes, I am too. Why are you lying about your name? We know that's not your name. Going by an

AKA at the wedding. Why'd you gotta lie about your name? True Psych Gang goes by an AKA at a wedding. Oh, yeah. Alright. Well, Matt, we're gonna get to know you a little bit better. Sure. But first, we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of of things we're talking about today uh we are going to check in with the impeachment inquiry girl i'm talking about impeaching this creep we are going to look at 2020 democratic polling uh and what it means uh where we stand what what What does it mean? What does this mean? What it mean? And, you know, speaking of 2020 democratic everything,

Beto is gone. He gone. Where'd he go? He went back to skateboarding. Oh, hell yeah, dude. Dude, I think he's going to be in the new Tony Hawk. Oh, really? Yeah.

Wait, for real? No. Oh, because that sounds real. I know. It sounds like some DLC? Yeah. Wait, for real? No. Oh, because that sounds real. I know. It sounds like some DLC. Yeah. Watch. There's going to be like a candidate pack for these games coming out soon.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, dude, did you get the new Beto skin? The Beto skin? It's so rad, dude. Nah, dude, I got the Amy Klobuchar skin. She just like stands there on the side and yells at you for skateboarding. Yeah, real angry though. Yeah, she's real angry.

It's actually the most fun character to play. What are her characteristics? Intensity 10, Ideas 3. We're going to talk about Whistleblower T. There's a rumor circulating in Washington that's real spicy.

We're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about the new Terminator movie that barely anyone saw and the Watchmen series on HBO. You watching that? Yeah. You watching the Watchmen? Yeah. Well, that answers the question. Who watches the Watchmen?

Well, we're done with that segment. Done and done. We've got to find a new subject. But first, Matt, we like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? That is a great question. Thank you. The first thing is Ronan Farrow, Frank Sinatra. That is very revealing about me.

I'm sure you guys have discussed this before. Oh, that's his dad? That's clearly his dad. Like, have you seen Ronan Farrow's face? Yeah. Now, have you seen Frank Sinatra's face? He looks like young old blue eyes. Does he have young blue eyes?

He's got young blue eyes, dude. He's young blue also? It's the same type of blue. It's the same age of blue. You look at Woody Allen as an old man, as a young man, as an in-between man, there is no way that

Ronan farrow wait who's his dad supposed to be his dad is supposed to be woody allen no his biological father his biological father is supposed to be woody allen no yes that yeah yeah so uh the story there is what now okay so mia farrow show me side to side with Woody Allen? Mia Farrow was married to Woody Allen and had Ronan Farrow. Right. So people as Ronan got older and

more Frank Sinatra like people were like that guy kind of looks like Frank Sinatra. That was the thing. For a while there there was no like real conspiracy about or like you know people really didn't know but then

now he's at the age where you're like it is undeniable right like any child can like look like Frank Sinatra Jack I'm sure you look

like Frank Sinatra I look a lot like Frank Sinatra you actually a little bit I have blue eyes you kind of do look like Frank Sinatra but thank you

but like now and also Mia Farrow says it's entirely possible. Oh, does she? Yeah. Well, that is really good. Also, when you look at young Woody Allen, like I don't see any of Ronan Farrow's traits coming up. I see me.

When I look at young Woody Allen, I'm like, yeah, he looks like me. Look at this. Same dude. These news websites, they're being scandalous with all these side-by-sides where you're just like, okay, we get it. That's his dad. They're doing the side-by-sides, but're just like okay we get it that's his dad they're doing the side-by-sides but like finding places where they're wearing the same color yeah putting that next to each other yeah making the same face but it does look a lot like

him um i mean and i'm no expert in dna yeah but i am an expert at knowing when you're not no i'm not wait why do we have this guy on again? First of all, asshole, that business card you hand out when you're out and about says DNA. It does say expert at DNA. What the fuck is that then? Yeah, D's nuts, asshole. D's nuts, asshole.

Yeah, I'm an expert at D's nuts, asshole. It's like a thing, it's an icebreaker at every party. Sure enough, I'm looking again, it says that underneath. Gets me in sticky situations when I'm an expert witness in a murder right occasionally i show up in court like listen this is an elaborate

joke that works great at parties but also if they look like each other then that's probably the killer that's usually what i say so yeah i mean he just looks exactly like him there's a there's a story and the kid stays in the picture where mia farrow is like i think married to frank sinatra during the filming of rosemary's baby yeah but then the kid robert evans rest in peace yeah r.i.p does he have an affair with her and like gets her out of that relationship it's been a while since i read the book, but probably. That sounds right. That sounds right. Bottom line is, look at those two photos.

Right. Your Honor. Exactly. I rest my case. There was a romantic involvement. And the fact that she says it's possible, I mean, that's all you need to know. She said they divorced, but they never really broke up. So meaning that, like, it would also mean, because he was born like the mid to late 80s, I think.

Right. I think he held young. So that was ongoing. So Frank was still an old man, but dude, still had the thickest ropes. And so I believe it because he looks virile. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, so I'm just saying like.

Is that part of her statement also? Yeah. We divorced, never really broke up. Thick ass ropes. He had the thickest ropes. What is something you think is underrated? Send in the ropes. Underrated. Let's see.

I mean, I think a lot of things are underrated, but personally, I would have to go with Jim Jones, the Reverend. Jim Jones, the Reverend. The Reverend Jim Jones. Okay. You may know him. Underrated. Yeah, underrated.

Okay. Well, because a lot of people remember him from Jonestown, the massacre. But you got to look at his earlier work. You do. Okay. Underrated. Yeah, underrated. Okay. Well, because a lot of people remember him from Jonestown, the massacre. But you gotta look at his earlier work. You do. Have you looked at his earlier work? Before he did that whole thing, he was actually like a civil rights reverend. He actually, I think he

integrated one of the first diners in Indiana or something. And he was kind of on the cutting edge of the civil rights movement in Indiana or something. And he was kind of on the cutting edge of the civil rights movement in the 50s. Now, what had happened was that he... I like how Jenna pivoted to explain the other shit. Well, the Jim Jones story,

the what had happened was... Matt Leith. Forward by Matt Leith. He was the first. What happened was. No, I mean, yeah, he went to Guyana and then made a bunch of people take cyanide and kill Like literally made them. If you listen, there's an audio recording of the whole process as he tells them they're going to take it.

And then people are not taking it because they're like, yeah, they're like, no, this is, I would rather not. And he's like, drink it. Let me see your mouth. Like sort of thing.

Like we're going around checking on you. Yeah. Like it wasn't, it wasn't a thing where everyone was brainwashed. It was a thing where he was just like, yeah, drink this shit. And all you need to do is brainwash just a few strong people to hold down the

weak people and make them drink. And he also had armed guards. But what had happened? So what had happened was that like, and I'm not even talking about the, yeah, okay, so he like helped kill a thousand people. But like before that, what happened, he left the country. And then this was like in the 50s or early 60s. And when he came back, the civil rights movement had been pretty much taken over by people who were actually needing those civil rights.

So Martin Luther King Jr. and whatnot were out there asking for rights, and they were now the face of the civil rights movement. And he got kind of resentful because he was like – he really had like the highest level white savior complex you could possibly have. And so he just felt a lot of resentment over the fact that like listen i was supposed to save you people yeah right you know so don't let anyone ever tell you the civil rights movement did not have its victims yeah exactly exactly poor jim jones and his ego uh title white guy was like well guess what i'm gonna kill these people then yeah yeah you know what fuck it i'm gonna kill all of them i mean he's a great example of somebody who like kind of made small ripples earlier on because he had that toxic narcissism that drives

certain people to just seek fame in america and like that's why we should never be surprised when our famous people turn out to be oh yeah all of your faves are problematic for this this very reason some of them but like a lot of them are driven to fame. Well, not us. Obviously not us. Yeah, hell no. No, we're so cool. Also, I'm no one's favorite. Yeah, you're probably.

Miles, that's not true. Yeah, but anyways, Jim Jones, before he lost his mind, he was doing good activism. Yeah. And it is, obviously, that doesn't make up for everything, but it's like one of those things where you keep in mind, like, you know, what are your reasons for doing activism? If you're doing it so that all the people around you are going to thank you,

then maybe don't do it. That ain't it. Then that ain't it. It's just one. It happened to be one of those things where his ego overlapped with a good cause. Yes. Right.

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I think so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a great book, Road to Jonestown. You should check it out. It's so good. Because I can only imagine what that person's like. It's like, this motherfucker for real? That's one of those stories.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I'm so dead. That's one of those stories yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah oh i'm so dead that's one of those stories that has gotten but they were going around checking people yeah and being like are they foaming at the mouth okay good yeah it was like it was to that degree uh and it was just all about his ego but that's why that's one of those stories like from history that has gotten turned into just like a a family guy cut. Like, yeah, drink the Kool-Aid. But it's actually, the more you read about it, the more wild and interesting it gets.

And someone came back in the news that was part of that group with the congressperson that got killed when they visited. I forget why. And then that sort of brought my focus back around. I'm like, oh, my God. Yeah, no, literally, like they they killed a congressman before they killed everyone else yeah right shot him like while he was boarding a plane an airport yeah they were like don't let him leave yeah but somebody survived that didn't they yeah

because then i think whatever okay interesting that person went on to be that kid from the chicago cubs fans who caught the ball yeah that Bartman? Yeah, that was who it was. Steve Bartman. Yeah. Wait, no. No. All right. Everything you guys say sounds true.

Yeah. It's called being full of shit. What is something you think is overrated? NPR. Okay. I'm just tired of it. You're tired of their toxic centrism? I can't stand it.

I turn it on. I listen to it regularly, but I don't think there is a single channel that I've ever listened to where I, as I shut it off, I say, shut the fuck up. Every time. I can't stand it. It's like one of those things where I listen to it because I want the news and I want to be informed. But just after a while, it's like the whole vibe of it is toxic centrism i think is a perfect way of putting it and then also um and then on the weekends just the worst comedy shows that you

can possibly i just can't do you unless you guys are fans of those in which case i say dude i love wait wait don't tell me uh we've had we've had panelists from wait wait don't tell me on uh no and that's the thing the panelists are great a lot of them are our homies uh and whatnot and good for them but the show itself and not just that show but every show that they have that's like a comedy show is like it sounds like just a really i'm a really funny professor and then and then it's like a an audience, a room full of just rabid piggies. Just oink, oink, oink, oink, oink, oink. They think everything's funny.

And I'm like, you guys are too easy of an audience. And it's not fair to, it's not real. It's not real life. It's the sound of Santa Monica. It is the sound of Santa Monica. It's just a bunch of monocles all just flapping together. Clinking together. Yeah.

I've got two monocles in today. I just can't stand it. So NPR's entire vibe bums me out, and yet I listen to it. Do you think somebody ever rocked two monocles at once before they're like, homie, just put on the glasses? Because was a monocle meant just because if you have one good eye? Like, let me just correct that eye? Yeah, I think so.

I don't know. Just the idea of somebody being like, hold on, man. Let me put my monocles on yeah yeah excuse me there's all sorts of interesting things that were like invented way later than they should have been like screwdrivers were invented like hundreds of years after the screw what they were just like using like straight edged things to try and screw stuff in. Oh, wow. Yeah. Very dumb. But yeah. Yeah, man.

I mean, so anyways, NPR. Well, that I mean, it's to listen to their news coverage is just apps. It's just a disservice to anyone who wants. The world is on fire and everyone's dying. Yeah. Back to you in Washington. It's just like you can emote. You can. You're allowed to emote. I'm Kai Rizdahl. Yeah, just like, you can emote. You can.

You're allowed to emote. I'm Kai Rizdahl. Yeah. That's it. I'm Kai. And by the way, the names, all of the names

are so NPR. Hedy Lynn Hurdy. Her name is Hedy Hurdy. Her name is Hedy Hurdy. My Hedy Hurdy. Hedy Hurdy. Every freaking name. Lynn Hurdy's

is not her last name. I think, well, I assumed that it was Hedy Lynn Hurdy. Hedy Hurdy. Every freaking name. Oh, Lynn Hurdy's is not her last name. I think, well, I assumed that it was Hedy Lynn Hurdy's or- Hedy Hurdy's. Her name is Hedy Hurdy's. How can your name be Hedy Hurdy? There's just a lot of NPR names. Every time I listen to the credits of This American Life, I'm like, fake name, fake name, fake name.

Shit. What is a myth? What's something people think is true you know to be false? I mean, you probably already covered this, but like Jeffrey Epstein definitely got murked in prison, right? Right. What? I'm sure you guys have talked about it. Dude, what about-

There's not a podcast in the world that hasn't talked. We've probably undercovered it. Really? Yeah. Well, I think because the second he died, we were just like, man, that fool got killed. a podcast in the world that hasn't talked we've probably undercovered it really well i think because we get caught up in the zeitgeist we were just like man i got killed and then we just kept it moving and then when other people were like we think he got killed like yeah fam i think everybody thinks he got right that's almost i guess that's where you sort of then it just stops there because at what point uh what can you force these like corporate media companies to actually keep talking about it? Because you saw what happened on The Daily Show.

Yeah. Fucking Trevor Noah was like to Hillary Clinton, like, so what did you do to get Jeffrey Epstein killed? And they're like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. And I was like, yo, too real. Too real and too soon. Ghislaine Maxwell was at, what's her name? Chelsea Clinton's wedding.

I mean, come on. Are we going to? I mean, I don't. Here's the thing. I am not saying that the Clintons did it. I don't really know who did it. All I know is I'm pretty certain that he was murdered. Yeah.

Because, of course he was. Because everyone was saying he's about to get murdered. Yeah. Because the cameras didn't work. Yeah. And he knew the cameras didn't work. And he knew all the fucking dark shit. And also the Daily Beast came out with the fact that he was also, he was an informant. He was like, he turned state's witness or something right before he got murdered. Yeah.

Oh, right. Because that's why his lawyers were coming a lot more right before. I knew he was going to get murdered the second that we were doing research on his background. Right. And like- His celly had assaulted him. Well, no, no, no. It was even before that.

It was when one of his victims was like, yeah, he told me, he asked me about one of the people that he made me have sex with and said that he does this to get dirt on people. Oh, right, yeah. And it was like, yeah, so that was his whole model. Like, he's way too dangerous to these people. He's all compromise. His whole thing is collecting that. And so if that's the case, he has made so many enemies

that, of course, one of them was like... Especially when the levels these people are living at you know like talking about the actual oligarchical like a billionaire class that class that actually like when people are like trying to make up conspiracy theories about cabals this is like the actual cabal yeah it's just a bunch of billionaires you have a lot of money and you got weird sexual tastes like he's the one who's taking advantage of it. And that's the thing. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but he definitely was murdered.

But they're cabaling out of control right now. They are cabaling out of control. And I think it's also like that Chris Rock joke. It's like, I'm not saying the Clintons did it, but I understand. But you understand why. I'm not saying it, but I understand. The fact that it's undercovered on our show I feel like is like that Jonestown thing where

like a story just, we just accept it and don't like spend it. As it being so dark and fucked up. It's so dark and fucked up, but it's also like, so the truth is so self-evident that we're just like, yeah, I guess that's it and move on. But like, it's too weird to move on from. I mean, that's, that's the problem is like i've realized that what is happening because of the fact that it's not really covered uh in like 24-hour news networks is that um like where are people getting because everyone wants to know everyone needs their like what

happened to epstein though for real fix and so now everyone is being pushed to alternative media that doesn't really have all the right facts so people people are going to get like, as soon as he died, I said, oh shit, America just got red pilled. Yeah. Because if the news media does not decide to do

like an honest coverage of this event, everyone's going to be pushed into weird places. You're just going to go on iTunes and go Epstein. And then you're going to find a bunch of tinfoil hats.

Bullshit like this. Yeah, like us. We don't know. That Daily Beast thing I said bunch of tinfoil hats. Bullshit like this. Yeah. Like us. We don't know. That Daily Beast thing I said, that was probably wrong. I just made it up. Yeah. Cameras.

I don't know things about things. All I know is that someone needs to cover it. We need Ronan Farrow, but for Epstein. Yeah. I mean, I don't see why he wouldn't be looking into this. You figure he is. I think Max and Nev from Catfish are working on a- They're going to take it down. I hope so.

They're going to turn up. Can you imagine? Yeah. Or Richard Jarecki or something? Oh, the new Jinx. What about Epstein? Who's going to be burping in that final episode is my question. Oh, the Clintons. Prince Andrew.

The mainstream media is actively turning down like viewership and traffic by not covering this and it just makes it more suspicious because yeah right because then at a certain level again when you speak to like the socioeconomic class of these people it's like the people who are also running these companies probably know them like literally everybody wants to know more about this story and is just talking about nothing but this story except for the extremely, extremely, extremely rich who just want everybody to shut the fuck up. Yeah. And it's just it is it's so rare that you the only time do you ever see the mainstream media actively turn down viewership for something?

It's like or like decide not to cover stuff. like or like decide not to cover stuff it's things like the nbc news deciding to uh not cover their uh you know the head of nbc news was like uh complicit in the cover-up for matt lauer's right like that's something that just came out now we know that they were actively trying to like stop this information from coming out so now when things don't get covered that everyone's talking about the assumption is people at the top are doing this on purpose right so i don't understand why why they can't just like and so all that's left is fox news like fox news occasionally coming up with you know like what happened with epstein or like trump who like there's no way trump murdered uh jeffrey epstein uh because he's incompetent right he wouldn't have been able to pull it off. That's all.

Like, he wants to. He wanted to kill him for sure, but there's no way that he did. Yeah. My friend said that, like, if he tried, Giuliani would accidentally make it as the Facebook status.

Right. There's also, like, a whole weird Kevin Spacey aspect to this. We might have to, like, dig in. Because Kevin Spacey was on the Lolita Express.

Yeah. With Chris Tucker. With Chris Tucker.ucker so my theory chris tucker did it yeah i can see it yeah uh he just wanted to do another rush hour we'll have to do like a deep dive or like really slow news day we'll just have to do an entire episode uh one of kevin spacey's accusers died the other one just totally caught amnesia or drug overdose, which impossible to fake one of those. It's just like, this is a problem. It's so many things. There's so many things that make it fascinating.

And I've never been a conspiracy theory guy. I don't like them. They're all very close to antisemitism, so I stay away. But like- Well, they always lead back to- They always do that's the rule of conspiracy yeah in fact i appreciate people more who are like it's lizard people because at least they're making up a person to hate well hold on yeah jewish yeah right

you're so close yeah that's problems when they come back down to earth they go that's crazy it's not it's there's no hollow moon but it's the jews right yeah but i mean someone's got to cover it there's so many things that whole frank uh what was it frank underwood video that he put out at christmas do you see that crazy thing it was so poorly lit and the audio was terrible and it was like why is he doing this right who is he talking to and why is he drinking from a coffee cup that is specifically like from the royal family? Yeah, and like Prince Andrew got caught up in it. And then it's just like, it's all of these things, man. Wait, what?

Is there another conspiracy about that video? Like there was all a bunch of messaging in the imagery. We're going to have to do a whole segment on this where we dig in. You have to do it. Because to me, at this point, you guys are the mainstream media. We are. I need you guys. Good fucking luck.

I need you guys to cover it. Yeah, you're going to be a lot of talk about balding and ED and Arsenal. Interspersed with our fucking huge scoops that break the and occasionally wide open.

Yeah, esoteric stories are about like 90s basketball stars. We're like, where did they go? Is Wayman Tisdale still slapping that base? Where is Anthony Peeler? Yeah. Which of the dudes on the Magic had the tattoo that was his face on his arm?

Was that Nick Scott? Nick Scott. Was it Nick Anderson? Nick Anderson or Dennis Scott? Dennis Scott, I think. One of those two. One of them spiraled out. I think it was Nick Anderson.

Was it Nick Anderson? Anyway, Orlando Magic Zeitgang, let us know. Because that was, man, that think. One of those two. One of them spiraled out. I think it was Nick Anderson. Was it Nick Anderson? Anyway, Orlando Magic Zeitgang, let us know. Because that was, man, that was a team at one point. You talking about 96? Yeah. Yeah. Because Steve-O did it as a bit, having his face tattooed on his back. But this dude had it like legit.

Yeah, I know. Totally unironically, which is my favorite type of tattoo. I know. All right. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back. Yeah. This summer, the nation watched as the Republican nominee for president was the target of two assassination attempts separated by two months. These events were mirrored nearly 50 years ago when President Gerald Ford faced two attempts on his life in less than three weeks.

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And it's time to check in with the impeachment inquiry. Girl, I'm talking about impeaching this creep. God. Oh, it's so smooth. Breaking news. It was Dennis Scott. Dennis Scott? Who had the tattoo of his own face. I can see his face.

Yeah. Yeah. I can see the tattoo of his face in my mind. Never get a face tattoo. Not a tattoo on your face. That's okay. Those are great. Don't get a tattoo of a face. It never looks like the person you think it looks like. Yeah.

Unless you go to one of these. Especially if it's your face, then people can look from your tattoo right up to your face. Immediately they're like, nope. Missed it. Well, let's talk about equally important shit the uh dissolution of our republic uh and you know whose fault it is i'm gonna say it the democrats for uh just for asking these questions why won't they just shut up and get on board just let it happen dude so apparently stop resisting inside reports are

telling us that the president this is not uh going over well with him no i mean as we knew yeah i mean this is about what i would expect but we do now have eyewitness testimony as to what the world inside the white house has been like over the past couple because yeah we've been predict or just sort of i guess uh, pontificating, speculating. We're like, he's probably just in his own world. He doesn't give a fuck. But he does because at the end of the day, this involves his ego. So he's fully engaged.

This is just funny because there's this quote in Politico about them talking to some White House aides. They say, quote, we're getting fucking killed. about them talking to some White House aides. They say, quote, we're getting fucking killed. Trump often gripes a complaint about media coverage that is escalating in volume and frequency. And they go on to say, he does make that comment literally every day.

Wow. And again, it's because he sees these people who are like current aides or administrators or past ones go up there just fucking lay it all out yeah again we're getting fucking killed not talking about the kurdish allies who yeah no he's paying attention to as the commander oh but i mean we'll get into that later um the other thing though too is predictably he has completely retreated into fox news because he will reach a sort of breaking point of watching the regular

coverage. Then he goes to get his soothing bath of Sean Hannity, Lou Dobbs, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingram and the like. But then there's this also thing, this other part too, where I think he only understands what the coverage is because after he sees like something come out in CNN, he'll then see like if other Republicans are defending him or not. But he also just doesn't get what's happening. So to stay current, this is from the political article, to stay current on impeachment, Trump also gets regular in-person briefings from different parts of the White House, including the counsel's office, the legislative affairs shop, and the press office,

all dealing with their specific aspects of impeachment. In those briefings, Trump asks questions like, who's up this week? Meaning, who is giving depositions? what does that mean yo that mean like i mean yeah what does that mean yeah what does it mean for us what that means why yeah what that mean though what that means yeah i mean like it's it's a tough combo where you try and like pretend nothing's wrong but then also are so obsessed with it you don't really quite have all the facts. And then you probably have people around you be like, no, it's all good. Don't worry about it.

Yeah. I mean, when you've been surrounded by lawyers your whole life who are going to handle knowing what that means, you just kind of float on through life. But the one thing that he does know what it means is news coverage. So he watches that. He knows it's negative and he knows we're getting fucking killed fucking killed uh i wonder what the how like what headlines have set him off like we're specifically like oh we're getting fucking killed yeah i mean the i feel like mostly he just responds to uh who snitches are yeah right i think he's like he he

he operates from a baseline of like snitches get stitches and, right. I think he's like, he operates from a baseline of like snitches get stitches. And so like, he just sees names that he recognizes. He's like, nope, he knows everything. Yep, he knows everything too.

Yep. Oh boy. Oh boy. Oh no. But what does that mean? What does it mean? What does it mean when he knows everything?

He really tries to stay, I don't know if he tries, but he stays at the exact like medium point of understanding of everything. He really tries to stay. I don't know if he tries, but he stays at the exact medium point of understanding of everything. And then he'll say something really ignorant and be like, a lot of people don't understand this, but impeachment does not involve the fruit peaches. Or mint leaves. Yeah, anytime he says, a lot of people don't know this, but it was like, it was something he didn't know maybe 15 minutes ago. Yeah. And then, uh,

he, and then it always just reveals the thing that he should have known. Well, he just, he knows just enough to know more than the average voter or the average or person who's disengaged from politics, which is why he's good at communicating with them on Twitter. Yeah.

And those are the people that are, I would say like a huge portion of the country who are not really 24-hour news media junkies. And so they're all just experiencing the impeachment through him, which is terrible. That was like, I remember when I went to Amsterdam once, I went to the Heineken Brewery Experience. Oh, yeah, I did that. And the bartender who was there giving you free Heineken was like, oh, cool, where are you guys from? And I'm like, from LA. And he's like, oh, cool, where are you guys from? And I'm like, from L.A. And he's like, oh, cool, you know, like, gangster rap? And I was like, yeah, man, I fuck with gangster rap.

And he was like, oh, can you tell me about it? And that was one of those moments where like, I know a little bit, but I know a lot more than you, and I will get these free fucking drinks. I'm like, what do you want to know, man? The blood's in Crips. Like, is that always going on? I'm like, yeah, man. Why don't you buy me up another Heineken? I'll tell you want to know, man? The blood's in Crips. Is that always going on? I'm like, yeah, man. Why don't you put me up another Heineken?

I'll tell you about that shit, man. So it was 1974. Yeah, right. And Tukey Williams. Tukey Williams. Wow. I'm like, wow. I think I have to start back at, so the FBI was murdering a lot of black panthers.

Yeah, right. Exactly. Yeah. That is true no it's just like the fact that trump uh continues to uh kind of engage with the media has always been kind of wild to me because of the fact that like he doesn't really have to you know he has and it's almost never helpful it's never been helpful for him to just be in front of a helicopter going i don't know what's going on this is ridiculous but he continues to do it.

And he's the only president, I think, in a while, who hasn't shown up at the press corps and answered some questions. And I understood that after I saw a bunch of these helicopter interviews, because I was just like, yeah, he's not good at answering questions. But he keeps doing the helicopter thing, and I'm not really even sure why.

It's just everything he does is such an enigma because all he does is just say the things he's doing wrong and getting in trouble for them. The way his logic works is there'll be a point that he has to provide a counterpoint to. And as long as he offers that, he can then fuck off in his helicopter

and ghost any follow-up questions. So I'd be like, well, this is what I think. Okay, gotta go. Where normally it would be hot for you because people be like well hold on yeah let me answer this and he can just cut that shit off when that's true he can literally escape in a helicopter and then in his mind he's like well i said the fucking thing i let him know they got fucking pwned i feel like that will be something that future presidents take away just like jumping in a helicopter yeah as opposed to like having to send a person out there who is going to speak and answer for uh everything your

administration is doing and like allow detailed questioning but this is the this is the slippery slope right because on one hand everyone's like if he's doing this much incompetently, what happens when a competent person is willing to use this playbook and do it like, be like, yeah, I'm smart as Trump. And you know what? I'm not going to talk to the press either. Because I'm at work on some evil shit. It's one of those little things that, you know, we don't miss as like people who are everyday consumers of the media. It's not like I'm like, damn it. Where did those White House press briefings go yeah but but they function yeah they were important and

will be important uh assuming they ever come back yeah new norms dude we got these new norms and uh next uh fashy president is going to uh if they're any good at be at thinking with their brain if their brain is like in any way has like wrinkled gray matter this republic is done like because luckily we're dealing with a smooth brain moron who like doesn't know how to pull off crimes

I don't know but also I think you think he's playing seven dimensional chess no I think he's just the exact right kind of like whatever like level of intelligence and like personality disorder for this moment and this media complex. Oh, for sure. For sure. I mean, he definitely is.

I mean, he's got the right kind of intelligence to do the things he's doing, but he's also he's not effective in kind of like a policy way. Well, it's because he doesn't have a vision no yeah he has no ideology everything's reaction yeah because of that there's no like and he's like these aren't all building to some step it's always building like how the fuck do i get out of this his brain is literally just like forwarding chain emails to to his mouth and that's all that's all he says like i'm trying to picture somebody else who can do the things uh successfully that he does as a politician where like appeal directly to the base just like spout off and like yeah you know troll the opposing side and get them off message and like none of those people are politicians like it's like kanye like kanye would be like

has the same personality but like he's not going to be a politician well you don't know that yeah he's going to be a religious leader is what i was gonna say oh yeah all right let's talk uh about the 2020 polling uh democratic polling because we are exactly one year from the election. One more year of hell. Drop the bomb. Yeah, thank you. So, a couple of interesting things. So I still follow 538

because they're the best place to follow weighted combinations of polls. And Nate Silver actually has this segment on ABC News called, Do You Buy That? Oh, God.

That is one of the most, it's worth watching because of how uncomfortable he is on camera. It's kind of incredible. But he saves some really good nuggets for that because it's like his audition. He wants people to wait and keep watching. It's his time to shine. It's his audition on He wants people to audition. I don't just give it away for free on the website. Right.

If you want my numbers, you're going to have to deal with my jokes. But I watched this segment so you don't have to. This one was about this far out, a year out. Have the frontrunners always won? Have they usually won?

It turns out about half the time, the person who's in first in the polls a year out ends up winning. But there's some notable exceptions. 1992, Bill Clinton was polling at 6% a year out and ended up, you know, sweeping to power and actually winning the election. 2004 is a really interesting one that I'll come back to. Kerry was at 9%. Howard Dean. Yeah, Howard Dean was running shit at that point. Yeah.

Exactly. I want to get back to that. McCain was at 26% well behind Rudyy giuliani in 2008 and uh obama was 22 which was behind hillary but that was more like he was surging it was more like warren to biden right now like he was surging and getting more of the coverage and was kind of seen as the more interesting news story. But the Dean scream is interesting to me because people have gone back and looked at it. And in the room, nobody thought it was weird. It didn't sound weird.

It was just the way he was miked made it seem like he was shouting really loud because you only heard his voice. No, he was shouting, but he wasn't shouting loud for the room like nobody could hear him basically is what so he was like shouting in a loud room but the mic was only picking up his voice it sounded weird on the news right it sounded weird on the news and then it just became this thing that was like well his campaign's over uh and I mean, I screamed. I mean, that is, that is one of those amazing things where you're like,

so that was just kind of an invention of the media to make that a weird thing. Cause even, even the news footage I saw of it, I was like, what's, I don't really understand. But up to that point, he was seen as like a populist candidate who wasn't an actual contender for the

presidency. By the like media class? By the mainstream media. I the presidency by the like media by the mainstream media i actually worked in the mainstream media at that time and i remember and so we can thank you for this yeah no i manufactured the dean scream uh wow that was actually my voice i just put over there uh but it's you know when the mainstream media like i you know i've just been kind of inundated with uh bernie blindness stuff ever since we talked about it on on air and it's really like when the mainstream media doesn't think you have a chance or like you don't fit their narrative of who should have a chance like

they'll one way or another it's almost like gravitational that they'll try to pull you down we've just never seen this happen in a world where the mainstream media is not the most powerful voice or at least i guess we did see it in 2016 when trump was seen as like a joke outsider and yeah but but they covered him and that's the problem is like this is like so much more insidious just cut him out just ignoring yeah everything bernie is just it's so much more insidious when he's the front runner they will be like but or uh biden fades like the somehow like managed to leave him out yeah general election he wins it yeah biden still not president yeah budaj gonna plan a run in four years yeah just like they love they love mayor

pete yeah they also loved beto he was their guy man front page of vanity fair yeah think about that that was another thing that was the other thing that rick jumped out of the pod the other thing that jumped out to me is how the people who are also rands in primaries yeah like completely we forget them immediately yeah like dean was like this huge movement at this point in the in the election like imagine if elizabeth warren people like don't even remember her name in like a couple years like that's the level of like people just forgot about this dude. He was like a joke. Who's like, this is why to me,

what, this is what makes Bernie's candidacy so much more impressive is the fact that like, you know, by all accounts, he should have faded in four years. You know what I mean? Like every other primary candidate whose last name isn't Clinton.

Right. You know? And, uh, instead he's built a movement that, I mean, I think will live on even if he does not win the presidency. Yeah, he's awoken an entire group of people. He has. And that's the difference between him and Warren is that, like uh warren's like he converts his voters into organizers like and not just organizers for him like organizers activists for all sorts of causes

sunrise movement and like you know just a bunch of different causes whereas like a lot of you know warren supporters and god bless them they mean well but a lot of them just kind of want the the nightmare to end and want to go back to normal and not care as much. Well, there's like levels of what nightmare you want to end, right? Right. There's the just want Trump out level of the nightmare. So that makes you a Biden supporter. Right.

If you're like, well, I want the nightmare to end and I also kind of want some like more equity in society, then you have Elizabeth Warren. And then if your nightmare is systemic inequality, racism, these other things and much larger things, then Bernie Sanders is your candidate. Right right because it's like not even like it's not just that though yeah like we can't just stop at this president being replaced yeah we have an entire thing we're up against yeah but again this is it's just with uh with beto though too like you know he had a lot of bernie infrastructure behind him during the senate race yeah and i think that's the thing that people at first were like,

holy shit, this is like really like he's mobilized something, but that's to the credit too, of a lot of those people on the ground in Texas. Exactly. And this guy's a man of the people who stands on his own feet. I mean, he'll just stand on a table.

Yeah. People do. He'll stand wherever he wants to stay. Dude, that early, like rollout when like over a long weekend, I feel like he was announcing his candidacy and then going around like speaking to people just in texas and it just became clear

that he was standing on like the highest object in the room yeah reminded me of like when giuliani like knew that the 9-11 thing worked for him as a primary candidate and so they were eventually like rudy giuliani's middle name should be 9-11. And everybody was like, oh, shit. It was just like one sick burn in a debate and his candidacy was over. Well, that was the thing that hurt him. In Politico, they kind of point out a lot of the things,

the missteps that happened, because eventually towards the end, it was becoming a cash problem too. It just wasn't, people weren't as enthusiastic. They say that in the beginning he just didn't have the infrastructure to like talk to other like lawmakers or donors and things so at certain times they could barely even just like not return calls to like very important people that would help you get your campaign going another one too is that like they point out that he had announced his candidacy before hiring a campaign manager really so he just pushed the boat out by being like i don't know

figure it out yeah kick the boat out and that was a little a lot of people were like okay yeah uh then he was saying like apparently he was forced to personally apologize to at least one prominent iowa democrat for his lack of organization damn Damn. So even in the states where it really mattered for him to start to get his name out there and build some support, they just couldn't get his shit together. Interesting. I didn't know. I kind of figured the rollout, because the rollout seems to me as an outsider so planned. You got the Vanity Fair article.

It just seemed like he was being prepped to be a candidate the same way pete budaj has been been prepped since he was at harvard you know yeah so like uh that's interesting to know that he just kind of was like he just went punk rock with it i think that in a way like hey that's better though bro that's better dude that's how he rolls i also think give me a garage and a little amp and like a fender telecaster. I'll play you some. I think a lot of Biden's issues are also back to the fact that like both of them, Beto and Biden, like we're like deciding whether they wanted to run for a while. And while they were doing that, everybody was hiring like all the best talent. Yeah, they were just like, yeah, like Democrat organizers.

And like, you know, beto completely lost his entire infrastructure back to bernie so like yeah two of his uh two of his like campaign officials who had worked on his senate run and bernie's 2016 run abruptly left oh yeah as it started there i think so whether that was the culture that he was perpetuating yeah maybe them being like yo you gotta have this shit in place and he's like dude i'm gonna fucking nollie heel flip over this little fucking curve yeah dude first of all let me just finish uh practicing this sweet riff on this guitar right here and then we'll get into which is the same because he had he really did have good charisma he was able to capture people's attention yeah and you know but i think at the end of the day the way this machine works

like he just didn't he didn't have those pieces in play or set up for him to succeed. You're absolutely right. It was the Bernie organizers who were pushing him. It was like it was the true of like a lot of different people in the midterms. It was like a lot of people had that, you know, Bernie organizers pushing for them to try to you know get more seats in the senate in the house so like he probably looked at that and he was like dude i always knew i was dope as fuck and it was like i knew if i just tried and it's like no dude these people are like they're pushing for you because you do you know you're way better than ted cruz and better than a lot of other candidates, but not because you should be president.

Well, and I think that's the other thing they were pointing to is also just the outsized expectations after that Senate run. Because right after, in a hypothetical thing, it was him and Biden were the favorites as presidential candidates. But I think then you had Dan Pfeiffer from Quicken Media. He wrote a piece that was sort of like, not since Obama have we seen something like this. And I think in that sense, because he had all these other fumbles, it just wasn't matching up. And that made the fall even harder for him. Because they're like, yo, put this motherfucker up on this pedestal. And then it's just a little too top-heavy.

It's definitely another example of mainstream media. Hey, you know, RIP to a real one. And I will say that the great thing about Beto's primary run is that he, for me, served as a great contrast to – it was good to compare it to Buttigieg because you just watched – they both had different forms of how they were going to be like centrist chills kind of because they needed to find their placement. But then you realize like, oh, Buttigieg is just better at being a centrist. He's better at angling himself. He's better at being a candidate.

Yes, exactly. He's a better politician. And like when you sort of hear him speak, he's really measured it. Yeah. I just want to show people what we can do. Oh, God. And what we can do oh god and what we can do is the status quo like if we did nothing that would be nice that would be chill for the billionaire class yeah right which is funny because like there was this interview with him like on his like

campaign bus and it's so like i just saw the backsplash of the kitchen like in the bus and i was like oh the money's over here the dude is the most asexual looking motherfucker i've ever seen in my life the dude is i just to me he is a robot he is not very much a human person i feel like he comes like yep yep and yes my favorite TV show is whatever is number one. Right. Okay. My favorite meat is hamburger. That was Mitt Romney's answer to that question. My favorite meat is hamburger. Also hot dog.

Oh, damn. Yeah. What's your favorite meat? Hot dog. Yeah. You got the job, kid. Yeah. It'll be weird when, you know, if Buttigieg wins because presidents age at such a rapid rate and he'll probably hit puberty pretty quickly after winning the White House.

Who knows if we'll like him after his voice changes. Or he starts growing a beard because this beard is pulling really well. Oh, that's exactly what will happen. There's no way he's going to win. He's polling at 0% with black voters and no one's really ever heard of him. Right.

But could you imagine, though? The DNC pulling some shit like that. They're like, look, it can't be fucking Warren or Sanders. Yeah. According to these billionaires. So fucking let's start

choosing the numbers. Get Mayor Pete in there. Yeah, they will. And that's what they're doing. Well, that's why you always still see his name in the conversation because it's almost like just in case biden falls apart yeah there's this other guy who's sort of the same thing you're not gonna like force people to like give away some of their money that they're hoarding yeah 538 like actually did a good job of showing

that the whole like buddha judge surge uh in the polling after that debate performance that everybody was allotting was actually made up. Basically, he didn't really surge. It wasn't that measurable. Yeah, he had already been polling well in Iowa because he'd been spending tons of money there all along. Yeah. And then in this 538 video of Nate Silver on ABC News, like the most mainstream outlet.

He like mentions Buttigieg as somebody who's like a corollary for Clinton. There's one that's like, huh? So your producers got you back on the Buttigieg train. I just can't stand the dude. He's nothing but angles. That's all he is. Different angles. And I think especially is. It's different angles. And I think especially, too, for certain voters and people that are very interested in the future of the country,

he's not saying the kinds of things that you're like, okay, wow, I feel good about a future with this person. Yeah, he represents the nihilism of the millennial generation, the people who are just the nihilistic ones who are, you know, upper class a little bit and kind of like are about not really, we're believing in anything as seen as kind of lame. And they don't realize that like, that is,

uh, that there's a much larger portion of our generation. That's like, no, we're done with the status quo. But he's still like, remember when things were chill? Right.

Uh, I'd like to go back to a time when, uh, everyone just kind of like, uh, there was a lot of like chillers, no, we're done with the status quo. But he's still like, remember when things were chill? Yeah. I'd like to go back to a time when everyone just kind of like, there was a lot of like chillers. You could do a kickback. Well, if he does get nominated, I mean, you guys both have pretty good Buttigieg impressions. Oh, yeah. Sounds like. So I think we might be a TDG.

I can do Crocodile Hunter. I can do Crocodile Hunter. I'm alive. Yeah, that's my SNL audition piece for Warren Michaels. Yeah. All right. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back. This summer, the nation watched as the Republican nominee for president was the target of two assassination attempts, separated by two months.

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No, you mean you have to listen to us. I mean, you can still watch us, but you got to listen. Like if you're watching us, you have to tell us. Like if you're out the window, you have to say, hey, I'm watching you outside of the window. Just just you know what? Listen to the Amber and Lacey Lacey and Amber show on Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts and we're back and another of the advantages of being a podcast and not a mainstream media outlet uh in addition to not being pulled in uh the same direction as all of them, is we get to just speculate about unconfirmed bullshit.

Hell yeah. I thought you were going to say we get to do swears. We get to do swears. That too. Fuck, fuck, fuck rumor. But, yeah, this is the new section called Rumor Fuck. No, we're going to actually, this actually ties back to the whistleblower story. Actually, what?

The whistleblower scandal? Oh. So in the UK conservative magazine publication, The Spectator, in the US edition. The Spectator. They were printing some things that apparently, according to some of their whisper sources, again, this is all based on rumors. Yeah, yeah. But they say a lawyer that was representing the whistleblower uh they were talking amongst like

that's there's a there are a few clients and there was rumor that there's one client who's a whistleblower who has nothing to do with ukraine who's blowing the whistle on a separate incident okay and this one is that basically jared kushner and mu and Mohammed bin Salman have been very cozy. And there's... We know that's true. Yeah. But the whistle was being blown because apparently there have been some kind of measurable receipts going on between the two of them.

First, allegedly, allegedly. Allegedly. Okay. That is how it's pronounced in England. Allegedly. Spectator. Spectator. So essentially that he was sharing secrets that he would ask the CIA for Intel and then

basically hand those off to members of the Saudi royal family. Damn. And they were, you know, this is, they were saying this is one of the reasons why his security clearance was pulled. Wow. Because they're like, uh, he's basically just like doing research at the library, Xeroxing it, taking out the library and they hand it to his home. He's doing snitching.

Yeah. A little light snitching. Damn. A little light treason. And then, but there's more. Also, that Jared Kushner allegedly gave Mohammed bin Salman the green light to arrest Jamal Khashoggi. What? And? And what's more

is that this call was intercepted by Turkish intelligence and Erdogan then used that to get as leverage over Trump to get him to pull out of Syria. What? Again, these are all alleged rumors. These are

rumors on RumorFuck. Yeah. Welcome to RumorFuck. Immediately the White House is like, this story is, quote, false nonsense. But they say, you know, we'll see. Wait, so just... I guess it doesn't tie back to the original whistleblower scandal.

In a sense, because were it not for this, then they wouldn't speak to the lawyer of that one who would say, there might be other wars. Wait, so that means that... Jared Kushner told then they wouldn't speak to the lawyer of that one who would say like, well, there might be other wars. I might not be the Ukraine. Wait. So that means that. So Jared Kushner told Saudi Arabia where they could find Jamal. No, apparently they already knew,

but it was more like, he just signed off. I'm going to make it hot for you. Oh, if you want to go do you signed off on their arresting, which ended up being like a dismemberment, a murder and dismemberment yes dang dude allegedly we still we haven't found the body but we know i mean they've basically admitted yeah well yeah we know yeah they didn't admit that it was muhammad bin salman doing that

because he's you know what's interesting about that i think he did actually kind of come out and basically confirm his involvement. Did he? Yeah, basically. Like months after it was a front page news. What's interesting about it is that like we haven't yet seen, you know, the body parts, right? We don't know. We don't know for sure.

We have some, you know, circumstantial evidence and the media kind of got together and said, hey, this looks a lot like this. But still Epstein gets killed and no one no one cares all right sorry i don't want to bring it back to that but uh yeah but like why anyways jamal khashoggi got killed by jared kushner essentially yeah that's what they're saying but again very messy very messy but very believable which is why i'm like yeah because all these people look like they're just constantly getting extorted by one another yeah um so you know we shall see maybe adam schiff will bring that up mbs admitted that uh the killing happened under his watch yeah which

is a vague statement that means somebody did it it means they skyped me in while it was happening i watched it on my laptop but at the very least it means that they did it. It means they Skyped me in while it was happening, and I watched it on my laptop. But at the very least, it means that they did it, and it was people who answered to him. Right, and then he just used them as sacrificial lambs to be like, oh, yeah, I'm sorry, that was really out of pocket. Did one of them die in a car accident the next day? Really?

Was he doing that two-wheel thing? Oh, from the MIA video? Yeah. They love that. Dude, that video is dope they love cars on just two wheels i mean there's something about it man they love it there's something about car on its side it's yeah and then like dragging your knife out the like the window like on the asphalt like yeah homie watch this yeah is it sparking uh cutting no just just letting you

know just cutting the road just letting you know. Just cutting the road up. Just letting you know. Sharpen this thing up. I'm just saying, you know, Saudi royalty, when it comes to things they love, it's, you know, money, and it's also cars on two wheels. Sick-ass car stunts, dude. Sick-ass car stunts, dude. The Saudi royal family rocks with that? Really? Well, I think every, just in general, like, because that isn't a thing just in Saudi Arabia. Like, it's all over the wilding out in sports cars vibe i mean that was a whole genre of terrible accident video that used

to be on the internet oh yeah no i mean that's a great way to just have your arm oh yeah your body yeah but you gotta look you gotta do it right you can't just you can't just go to two wheels out of nowhere yeah early live leak was just those videos yeah it was yeah and it was always like horrific car crash person thrown out yeah in sports car before it gets taken videos yeah it was yeah and it was always like horrific car crash person thrown out yeah in sports car got taken down yeah websites like that by the victim's family yeah oh rotten.com dude the internet uh let's talk about the new terminator movie uh came out this past weekend and not a lot of people saw it it was number one at the box office uh and still not a lot of people and a bomb yeah it was what are we talking here uh it was like numbers

30 million i think and that's a little bit of money right right that's yeah that's a little bit compared to how much they spent on that probably paid for one third of the marketing wow the wow yeah basically everybody is treating this like it is a complete and total disaster. Well, I mean, I didn't want to see it. No. And why do you think you didn't want to see it? Because I'm. Why do you think you didn't want to?

I like that. Because I've been burned by Terminator. The franchise. All of them. Terminator, all of them. Since two. Exactly. Like after two, there's not been a good Terminator all of them since 2 exactly like after 2

there's not been a good Terminator movie there's not even been an okay Terminator movie I mean a lot of people think the one with the with that one guy

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yeah Sam Worthington Worthington Ford yeah like that movie was bad Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam

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That was the moment, which is actually towards the end of the film. I think this movie's actually bad. I was on board until the really unsterile conditions for open heart surgery. That's when it was over. I was like, no. The fact that Arnold is an old man,

the Terminator, the original Terminator has aged and grown a beard and grown like a punch that also, like when I saw that in the trailer I was like, why? You're gonna like create some logic where this is possible It's the fabric that they used to make

me from the cybernetic organism starts to sag they didn't actually have the shelf life of 50 years so my face looks like this Yeah, but. I don't know. I mean, I had no interest in seeing it. I had somebody who wanted to see it on Friday.

And it was someone who I wanted to hang out with. And I told them to delete my number. And I said, yeah. I said, listen, I want to hang out with you, but I don't want to see this movie. But not like this. Yeah, not like this. Scott Mandelson from Forbes had a good part of his report on this he said the sheer hubris to try to convince audiences three times in a row to want something they clearly don't want at great expense is frankly appalling the quote this time folks will bite

attitude is what has left theatrical movie going in grave peril as streaming and television networks have filled the gap. Yeah. Yeah. You're not wrong. I mean, it's just like, how many different ways do you have to say no more terminators? Yeah.

Like, so back at, uh, when I was running cracked, this was something that we actually noticed like a noticeable change from early two thousands to like late 2000s that people stopped giving a about anything that involved technology being scary in right way like at first we could have a successful article that was like you know

there's crazy this computer knows how to yeah yeah but then like it just disappeared like people just stopped caring and like we we've released like some articles with really compelling interesting information just nobody gave a shit i think because technology shifted from being this like yeah exotic thing new thing to just being completely a part of our lives that we depend on. Do you think it'll come back around though? Because Black Mirror sort of operated on that same thing, but they tuned it, made it a little more nuanced. So it made sense rather than like, hey man, this technology should just get out of control, huh?

Yeah. Or it's sort of like, this is the danger if we like hug it too hard. Right, yeah. I think it's even that though has fallen off a little bit. Like new Black Mirror, like there hasn't been a really really good black mirror since maybe two seasons ago black mirror is being like incorporated and i feel like there's

black mirror stuff in the new watchmen which we'll talk about i guess on a future episode but like there's that feels like a like there's just all sorts of little pieces of it that have yeah maybe we're past this yeah we're just more now looking into it of like, what is technology? Technology is going to fuck with us. I mean, maybe it's less that we don't fear technology and more that technology is already fucking our lives up. Yeah, and it's in ways that are much more scary. Like, yeah, obviously, Terminator Army is scary, but more so it's like those guys are going to take our jobs. Right.

But that's a more boring movie. It's like, what if I'm humiliated with photos of me fucked up at a party? Yeah, exactly. What if all of the Terminators were just tweeting racial slurs at you? That's what we're really dealing with. Yeah, they go to the Terminator

shack and he's running a troll farm. He's like, yeah, I kind of got bored, so I've been doing a lot of Twitter stuff. This is where we spread Jewish conspiracy theories. And then these are my 40 cell phones I use to just crush Pokemon Go. Just gold farming. Yeah, I'm farming Bitcoin.

Like, oh my God. But yeah, I think that- they hacked into your coinbase account i think it like takes the mind fuck out of it like terminator is just too straightforward and like the way technology fucks with us like involves tricking us into not realizing technology's fucking with us and like making us fuck ourselves over yeah ways and it's just so it's only so many times you can watch people getting chased by things. Right. It's like,

I get it. Yeah. We're being chased by a knife guy. Right. I'm bored. Oh, knife hands. We're still scared of dinosaurs.

We still love those. Yeah. Cause like those haven't like, you know, haven't come back and started tweeting mean things at us. Right. Yeah. I wonder what the first one was playing off of like Cold War fears because of like nuclear

explosions. Yeah. Our writer, J.M. McNabb had a pretty interesting analysis of that. Yeah. He was just basically saying. The 84 one?

Yeah. 84 was like Cold War stuff. You had this like Eastern European accented dude who was like coming. Was coming. I'm coming everywhere. I'm coming at the gym. I'm coming. That's an actual thing. It was like, I'm Was like coming. Was coming. And he was coming. I'm coming everywhere. I'm coming at the gym. I'm coming. That's an actual thing.

He's like, I'm coming. Yeah. I like to come. That's an actual thing he says in Pumping Iron. Yeah. That guy, he's another one who always told us what he was all about. Yeah. Yeah.

Check out, I always say that, that video of him in Brazil. Yeah. Where you're like in the 70s. He's like, this woman showing him around brazil like in the early 80s or late 70s and like he's like trying to dance with her and he is just like up on her and she's like okay full like yeah yeah uh completely unaware or doesn't care that he's making the women around him uncomfortable yeah he's like i love the ass uh that was the worst oh yeah moment exactly a lot of people.

They love the ass. He was saying that it was the unfeeling. It had a lot to do with our stereotypes of Russia during the Cold War that they were unfeeling, just very robotic and technology. We were worried their technology was ahead of ours, so you had

this technological monster who had an Eastern European accent. Who was ripped. Right. Is Austria Eastern Europe? I don't know. Austria? No.

Austria is very much Western Europe. Yeah, whatever. He had a funny accent. Oh, wow. Tell that to Mozart. I mean, I guess. I don't really know, dude. Where's Berlin?

Wasn't that Eastern, like Cold War? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know geography. And then it ends with a with a nuclear war that like ends with our main fear at that time right uh and then he points out that by the time t2 came out the war was over so schwarzenegger is now made into like the good guy yeah and the bad guy is a cop he's always dressed as as a cop, and it's like early 90s Rodney King era.

And to the point that the guy who shot the Rodney King video, according to James Cameron, was actually shooting video for the making of Terminator 2. It happened right where they were shooting. Wow. Wait, wait, wait, what? The guy who shot the Rodney King video- Yes, the camcorder footage.

Was shooting a making of thing for Terminator 2. At that time? Really? Yeah, at that time. Oh, so that videographer was- It happened right across from the bar where Arnold walks in and beats the shit out of them. What? And it happened while they were shooting that.

That's how that video came together? Because of Terminator? That's a claim that Jamesames cameron makes yeah uh that seems yeah civil rights actually have a pretty good record hold on james that's crazy that's like hearing the sapruder film was actually just them filming midnight cowboy or some shit yeah right that's crazy um he said according to cameron the first part of the rodney king tape was footage of them making t2 and the beating happened right across from the bar where uh where they were shooting that scene um that's great the one the like say that's a nice bike right wow so um that that's interesting so like those both

kind of nailed down political aspects of the time, but I don't know that... Because this new one has different things about having to... The Sarah Connors slash John Connors figure in this, because it's not that she's the mom of the Savior, she is the Savior. Right. Turns out, spoiler alert, lives in Mexico, so they have to get her across the border,

and there's a lot of stuff about that okay border politics in this new one and that didn't save it yeah well I mean but they like in a nice way

like a probably in a little way saying something or just like pretty ham-fisted like not subtle like I mean they didn't really

market it that way and that's where I think the movie really failed in marketing is like you know if you want your movie to do well just make it woke and then when it doesn't do well you can be like wow yeah super problematic i mean there's like there's definitely some cool messaging about women characters and like the fact like that central fact that it's you know this sarah

connor figure uh sarah connor's at first thinks it's like you know, this Sarah Connor figure. Sarah Connors at first thinks it's like the mother of the Savior, but it turns out she is like is a female empowerment thing. But then our writer, J.M. McNabb, points out that it's written and directed. It's directed by a guy and written by six guys. Hell yeah, dude. So not a single female. What an achievement. Honestly, though, it was

seeing Sarah Connor be the main character that got me interested. I was like, yeah, I'll check this out. I mean, I'll watch Linda Hamilton do anything. I've watched every motherfucking Terminator movie since. I'm part of that thing like, maybe this will be the one. Yeah, right. Yeah, you just keep getting

tricked. Yeah, it's like candy corn. Yeah. Yeah. Every year. Every year. Maybe it's good this time. Take a bite. Maybe I just eat the white part first.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Start with the white part and then like, nah. Work to yellow. Uh-huh. If I'm feeling it, orange. If I'm feeling it. If I'm really feeling vibey. Matt, it's been a pleasure having you, man.

It's been so fun. What a fun episode. Love it. Where can people uh find you you can find me uh on twitter at matt lieb or on instagram at matt lieb jokes l-i-e-b-e as an eagle b as in boy matt lieb that's where you can find me also listen to the film drunk broadcast uh and my other podcast pod yourself a gun a sopranos podcast pod yourself a gun. Pod. Oh, yeah. Great theme song.

And is there a tweet you've been enjoying? Check out my episode, too. Oh, yeah. Check out Miles Did It. Miles Did It. I don't know if you guys, this is from earlier this year, but it's Megan Amram, who's great at Twitter. She wrote, yeah, sure.

I like sorkin'. Sorkin' my own dick. Yeah. Okay, you guys have covered this one? We have covered this one. We love that one. Oh, man. That's one of our all-time favorites.

I just came into, this came into my consciousness recently, and I was like, it's brilliant. Welcome to the year 2020. Oh, my God. I need more, I need, you know, I like old tweets. Yeah.

Hell yeah. Miles, where can people find you? Twitter, Instagram, at Miles of Gray. T. I need, you know, I like old tweets. Yeah. Hell yeah. Miles, where can people find you? Twitter, Instagram, at Miles of Grey. Tweet I like. Let's do one from Jamie Loftus. At Jamie Loftus. Went to Universal Studios alone yesterday. Ran into someone I knew.

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