The Daily Zeitgeist - Why Can’t We Quit Big Foot? (with Ben Bowlin) 09.10.24

Episode Date: September 10, 2024

In episode 1739, Jack and Miles are joined by producer of Missing in Arizona and co-host of Stuff They Don't Want You To Know, Ben Bowlin, to discuss…  Cryptids, Aliens, & Other Conspiracy Theories! LISTEN: Drugs by The PhilharmonikSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

I took the courses, but I still am not confident in my ability to Heimlich my own child. You're not supposed to. I don't think you're supposed to Heimlich a baby. Yeah, exactly. You see how much you see how fucked up I'd be at it. Isn't there a baby Heimlich where you put them on their back and like put. Yeah, you put them over, but it's not. It's not the same as like. It's not the Heimlich where you put them on their back and push down with two fingers? You put them over, but it's not

the same as... It's not the Heimlich. Yeah. You're going to crack some ribs, Jack. Yeah. I'm doing two of them at once. No, no, no. I got one under each arm. I'm doing two of them at once.

Yeah. Doing the chicken dance. Bring me your babies. Yeah, the doctor's like, luckily that sick man only bruised your child's ribs. I don't know where. Your child also wasn't

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True Crime Plus, only on Apple Podcasts. September 10th, 2024. Never forget? Never forget tomorrow. Yeah. Don't stop forgetting tomorrow. Hey, Jack. Oh, shit. I feel like this happens every time when I think of you. It's National Ants on a Log Day. Hey.

My little boy's home and his tum-tum's grumbling. Better make him some ants on a log. Something fun. Also, wow, we were just talking about Swanson's frozen dinners. It's National TV Dinner Day. And also National Swap Ideas Day. But the picture of this looks like a white guy talking to a black woman who is like mansplaining something to her.

And it almost looks like when a co-worker steals your idea. Right. Swap. Hey, let's swap those. Thanks so much for coming. Is it cool if i mention that in all hands tomorrow cool if i swap with you on that i'll say it came from our team it came from our team came from our team but you know it's me it's me anyway but national ants on a log is it's always celery peanut butter with raisins that's always i think so we've had red ants on a log with craze the fuck is that oh okay yeah for a second

my mind i'm like what the fuck are you talking about dude purely out of necessity because for some reason like we we just can't keep raisins in this household we're just always running out are you kids little raisin freaks i guess they will raise them they don't do a lot of like sugar so like that's a treat for them. Like they're sneaking raisins. They're just spiking their blood sugar with just a half pound of raisins at a time. All right. Do they still got them in the little. I actually take them down with some chocolate.

Are they still in the mini paper boxes? The little sun made ones. Do they still sell those? Yeah. Yeah. The ones that for the school lunch. They sell those. But we just get the big big honker big

big giant guy wow yo you know what i'm realizing i think i hate raisins because it was always given to me as a candy substitute now that i just had this visceral memory of my grandmother like she used to spoil me a lot but whenever she would make cookies with raisins and i was like i would have a fucking meltdown yeah i was like, how could you do this to me, grandma? Because it tricks you into thinking it's chocolate. Yeah, because exactly. And then you're like, this shit is chewing. Are you fucking serious right now?

Yeah, whereas me, I'm like, this is what you get instead of a meal. So they, you know, they have a more positive relationship to raisins. Anyways, my name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. the Soup Cuck. Famous Soup Cuck Jack O'Brien. That one courtesy of Blake Wexler.

He tagged that on our Instagram video. We're doing video now, folks. A little quick tease of some video you can check on our Instagram. I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Hey, it's Mr. Miles Gray. Just hanging. You know, I'm just being a Star Wars outlaw. So just call me Vess Gray.

I forget what the character's name is called. Nah, it is today. But my actual Star Wars name is Gromitaclo. Thank you so much for having me. Do you know how to get your Star Wars name? No, how do you do that? It's your first three of your last name. The first two of your first name creates your first part of your Star Wars name.

And then your last name of your Star Wars name is the three first letters of your middle name, plus the first two letters of the city you were born in. Okay. So first three of last, last three of first. Yep. Okay. So Obrac is my first name.

Oh, that's kind of dope. Yeah. Obrac. And then we, I won't waste everybody's time by figuring out the rest of it, but that's Obrac. You're scribbling furiously on paper.

You just crumb. Ah, that's not it either. Mom, where was I born? Red thread. Yeah. Anyways. Yeah.

Yeah. Miles. Yeah. We are thrilled to be joined once again in our third seat by a writer, one of the best podcast hosts and EPs doing it. You know him from Stuff They Don't Want You To Know, Ridiculous History, the new series Missing in Arizona. Please welcome back to the show. It's Ben Bowen! Bowen!

Yes, yes, yes, yes. Feels so good to be back a little bit off kilter here. I was coming in at an 8.3 out of 10. I thought I had good aka i was gonna go with soup god because i thought that was like a nice thing yeah i thought was it cool but then i got i got soup cucked no and i made you watch me do it yeah that's the aka it's all slow down soup oh shit i was gonna do a soup-based AK. What's your favorite soup, Ben, for the record? Because we are pro-soup on this show, despite what Jesse Waters has to say. I only hear about 8 out of 10 things he says most of the time.

Yeah, yeah. No, I've heard it. I've heard it. Yeah, I got to be honest. I like a pho. I'm a sucker for being a dirtbag, too.'m a sucker for that canned Dinty Moore beef stew. Whoa! Wow, you really fuck with soup.

Fucking legend. Yo, whenever I see that, I'm like, yo, this is for somebody who's like a Civil War reenactor to you. But you're, you really, every time I see that label, it's like hunt because it's so it's i feel like that label has not changed in decades that whatever i see and i'm like that has to be the same can i saw when i was like 10 years old yeah that's the thing the secret to denty more beef stew is it never goes bad because it never starts off good you know what i mean because it never was beef stew it's not i mean yeah it's weird that they don't have air quotes around yeah yeah yeah it's but uh but yeah maybe it's nostalgia but i'll tell you i love it if i actually made some

i i make a lot of like soup with the leftovers because i'm too cheap to you know throw stuff out if it is if it's on the way in salt water and make a soup, baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But man, I was listening to the recent episode with some strong opinions about soup that's kind of been an ongoing theme. And now, in honor of you guys and Blake and your buddy from earlier, I'm not drinking with a straw. Okay, good. My buddy from earlier being Jesse Waters. He's your little friend. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah he's your little friend yeah yeah yeah your boy yo come get your boy jesse waters what whose man is this yeah i do want to so on the last episode we talked about how jesse waters says it's not manly to eat soup because you purse your

lips when you blow on it not the way and i you know not the way that i do miles pointed out that i just pour it onto a plate and then right yep slide it back and burn myself with it like a real man denty more style yeah but i was talking about how my mother-in-law who is now living with us as well as my father-in-law and it's been wonderful but she she's always complimented me for liking soup, but the other day was like, because it's very rare for a man to like soup. Yeah, did you get to the bottom of that?

So I mentioned it. She was like, oh, yeah, I saw it on the gram. Nice. And she was like, I saw you. Why don't you keep my name out of your mouth? No, she was very touched that we were talking about that. And she hit me over the weekend. Jack,

Korean proverb, a man who likes soup will get a fortune and blessings from his wife. So, whoa. Okay, that's pretty good news. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, so for her, it's just like, oh, you a good man. You a good soup eating man. Yeah. Oh, so for her, it's just like, oh, you a good man.

You a good soup eating man. Yeah, you're a good basic ass soup eating man. You're a family. You're a family dude. I think the way it started is that it's like easy to make. And so like by taking the pressure off and just letting her put a soup on and let it boil. And, you know, it's so gender normative. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

The husband who cares not how much his wife hath toiled in kitchen shall receive blessings from her. And really, this is why I'm a fucking hero. I've been saying it for a long time. Yeah, yeah. Everybody, you know. She's so lucky. My beautiful, brilliant wife is so lucky to have me because I like soup.

I would also, not to get too conspiratorial, but is it possible that your mother-in-law may have manufactured a Korean proverb just to give you a win? Oh, wow. She just sees me sadly eating soup and she's like this guy needs a fucking win uh the way you eat soup is really good and then like it's so it's so sad that like i the the compliment she gives me make completely made up i talk about it on my podcast. She's like, oh, God. So sad. Yeah, that's entirely possible. Sometimes your boy needs a win. And I'm not talking about Jesse Waters. Ben, we're thrilled to have you here. This is going to be one of those episodes

where we talk about stuff that is in your area of expertise that is colliding with the zeitgeist. So we're going to get into that. But before we do that, we do like to get to know you a little bit better by asking what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are?

All right. So I've been thinking about this. There's a lot of stuff going on, as we know. And I was recently fascinated by a story that began back in 2019. A beluga whale was discovered. This is true. A beluga whale was discovered in the wild, rocking a harness. Think of it like a kid with a Jansport backpack, maritime version, rocking a harness with a mount that was probably for a camera or maybe to hold something. It was clearly acclimated to humans and on the plastic tabs on the harness,

I'm mimicking this. This is all going on on the whale's back, like a backpack. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it said, there was a label on there, it was designed. It said St. Petersburg. And so people in Florida? St. Petersburg, Russia.

Well, we don't know. I'm clear. Wait a second. What's St. Pete got to do with this? All right, go on. Exactly. And this whale got nicknamed Voldemir in the media at the time in Norway, I believe. And it was just adorable.

Like if you've ever seen a really nice dog, like a golden retriever or a Labrador just in the wild, they just run up to strangers, shake them down for snacks and tennis balls. That's what this whale was doing. And people immediately began speculating on whether or not this whale was a Russian spy. Yeah. Yeah.

I thought spies cut the tags off, though. They just left those tags on what it was just like so it was off the rack whale-sized spy equipment and that like that had saint pete like had tags from where they bought it yes from a target it was off it was off the rack no one knew where this poor guy came from but he was running around he wasn't in a pod he was clearly acclimated to humans, retrieving people's phones, getting stuff for them, playing around with people. And then unfortunately, quite recently, he was discovered dead, which reignited speculation about his shadowy past. Right. And so just to check in, did you guys hear about this? I saw the headline. I saw the headline.

Yeah, because I was like, what? I couldn't pronounce the name and immediately my brain told me to move on. I think I might have to win. That's a fancy way to spell Vladimir. It was like my first sign. H-V-A-L-D-I-M-I-R. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

I think I saw the picture of it. It looked all cute. And I was like, oh, man, what happened to this? And then I saw it got thrown out of a window. The whale fell out of a window and died. It slipped out of its Moscow apartment building. Yeah. It's London.

It's London apartment. Somehow it'd become a billionaire. Oh, my God. After a couple of problematic tweets. Yeah. Wait, so what? Wait, yeah. I mean, aside from literally the headline, I didn't read too much into it.

Yeah, it's weird because there were a lot of, or there have been, there are a lot of nonprofits that were using this guy as sort of the face of maritime conservation, saving whales, etc. And when he was discovered dead on August 31st, not too, too long ago, there were all these conflicting reports. And some of the nonprofits were saying, get this, they were saying, someone shot this guy. They shot him several times. Yeah, which just brings the spy conversation back again. Was it shot? It does not appear to be the case. We're still...

Could it just been an old ass whale that maybe died? Right. Spy straps on it? Yeah. Yeah. And they... So those initial claims were maybe a little bit hyperbolic, but the fascinating thing about this is we do know that both the USSR and the United States have messed with the idea of using cetaceans as primary like surveillance and recon. No, my cat's mad about that one.

No, no dolphin lasers. Right right so far as we know but um but because of this people started re-evaluating you know the provenance of this of this poor guy who was just adorable in his actions and uh i'm following the story closely sorry for all the late emails folks i got other shit to do right now. No, I get it. The reason your cat might be mad about you mentioning the CIA, the U.S. and Russia both looked into using whales to spies because they also looked into cats, Operation Acoustic Kitty. And the cats totally fucked up the assignment. Yes. Yeah, it did not go well.

Damn. Because cats are so orderly. Yeah. Famously easy to train and orderly. Yeah. They shot the bag. I would always describe a cat as subordinate. Just to put it in the pure parlance of a military. Like,

yeah. Oh, these are the most subordinate animals, sir. These cats. Oh, watch this. Sit.

Ah, fuck. Where'd it go? Right. Exactly subordinate animals, sir. These cats. Oh, watch this. Sit. Ah, fuck. Where'd it go? Right. Exactly. It's behind you. These, like, I remember because, like, in World War II, I feel like was the first time I heard about, like, supposed Navy-deployed dolphins or things. Like, weren't some, like, meant to, like, weren't some weaponized and others were, look like meant to put pingers down anyway as i say this i was looking at an article down pingers like uh like this one it says this mind clearance

work while wearing a location locating pinger oh yeah like to ping it i thought that was a very unofficial thing damn i didn't realize that was sick, too. But this is the most unsettling photo. It's like this fucking Navy seal in a dinghy and a dolphin up in the air like, hi! And it has military shit on it. He's strapped. The dolphin is strapped. He looks like he either

has a camera or a laser gun on his right flipper. Yeah, and he's holding a gangster sideways. Yeah, yeah. And this is something that I think leads to this other conversation. I know we've all talked about it before, but the orcas just got fed up, you know, and they're actively hunting different watercraft, team cetacean, to be honest with you. Right. Oh, yeah, all day.

All day. And so I'm still wondering, maybe there's someone in the zeitgeist who happens to have worked with Russian experimental maritime spying. And please use your real name. Yeah, please. And do the social engineering of the Star Wars thing we were talking about earlier. Just give us your full, first, middle, last name, along like a list of your fears, maybe your blood type. And tell us what you know about these Russian spy whales. So that's a search history.

Damn. I'm just reading the headline. Whale alleged to be Russian spy died after stick became lodged in its mouth. Say police. That's suspicious to me. That's I feel like whales probably feel you're smarter than that to go out like that i think they figured that one out like if a russian oligarch died when stick became lodged in mouth we would all be like hmm that's really suspicious and

whales are much better at like they they horked down entire like sea animals with full skeletons it was that or the 45 round that went through its brain i don't know there's probably the stick in his mouth and falling out the window all we know is there was a stick in his mouth we're not looking too much further than that yeah there was a rat in its mouth i don't there it is and a message carved into it i don't know if i know has anyone checked for polonium is the question. What's something you think is underrated, Ben? Yeah, I got it. This is weird and probably makes me sound old.

Sending stuff in the mail, like old school snail mail. I got a lovely letter from an older relative and she had spent time on it, you know, and it wasn't just like, you know, some bullshit Hallmark card. There's nothing wrong with that. It wasn't just, you know, I have signed this and it's been stamped. Yeah, it's a letter and it's asking me for opinions and stuff. And I'm thinking, well, I don't like to use the phone. Can I just email and response or is that inappropriate? I mean, think about it. You know, we've all just sort of accepted. I would argue that when you go and check the mail,

most of what you're getting is junk mail or advertisements or even worse, something that tells you, you have to do another thing. Right. Yeah. Right. Right. When's the last time you guys got personalized mail?

Well, I correspond with that guy, Joseph James D'Angelo, the Golden State Killer. And have for many years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like a similar thing. It's like to ask me how I think the Warriors are going to do this season. But, nah. He's such a man of the Warriors. Golden State Killer, Golden State Warriors. What's up, brother? You know, he's like man of the word we said we're not gonna talk about work james i think the last time was probably actually i mean

i i remember like when i got married sending wild thank you notes and that that was a lot more i did a lot more than thanks for that thing like you want to actually add some sentiment evoke some memories or whatever so maybe a year ago but a full-on letter i haven't had a full-on letter sent to me since fucking i was in like camp or some shit and my mom was like please stop crying baby it'll be over soon that was it just one sentence just over and over anybody who has gotten a

handwritten letter from Miles beautiful handwriting oh yeah really a wonder a true treat I was a recipient of one of those and a handwriting analyst would analyst like this guy is putting way too much force down on the pen sums up with him like i write as if i'm like engraving steel like yeah i have a very hard yeah my wife and i were like uh sexually frustrated much

but really great command of the thing but shit, what is going on with this guy? How much time? I don't know. You're also bringing up a thing, too, now that I think about it. Usually, if I hear about long-winded letters being written now, it's Unabomber stuff to law enforcement. It's become sort of intrinsically linked to crazy people do this. Yeah, sure, sure, sure. Well, I think it's all because, right, of how the speed at which we can communicate.

It's not like you're like, well, I know this is going to take three months to get to them. So I better get out at least three months worth of thoughts out on this thing before I get my correspondence back. Whereas now it's like, because I think of even how like long my text messages used to be when i first started text messaging yeah to now how like and also because you were charged for damn near like every single text that you said right now like i'm just like spamming threads as if i'm on like on aol instant messenger as a kid i'm like what send r send you send doing send tonight send question mark send like and yeah i think the communication habits are very different i think that's my version of like the letter is like to try and

talk on the phone you know that's the part that we're you know it's it's it's a longer back and forth than yeah a little more intimate i don't know to that point man i miss wait i was about to say i've missed the 1800s whatever we'll keep it down here i fucking knew it i told you this motherfucker is a civil war ghost you couldn't think of something from our modern era he said he wanted to eat salt pork it was underrated it was salt pork oh i love tallow and beans. You know me. Tallow and beans?

Have you guys heard about oil lanterns? Yeah. So he's trying to do the hello fellow kids thing, but he's just batting a hoop down the street with a stick. Hello fellow kids. Just skirting up on my penny farthing. Just fucking fishtailing it though. What's up, y'all? It's your boy. On my penny farthing yeah right yeah what's up y'all it's your boy penny farthing no i mean it reminds me though like that point about communication

nature and what what becomes normalized if you think about it a lot of things were horrible back in the day and still are now but can you imagine back in the 1800s you would just write a letter and then disappear if you came back you know months and months later nobody would question it they wouldn't right they wouldn't be mad at you they would be like oh my gosh jonathan you've returned yeah no uh i think i would i would be doing way better back then i would do such crazy dynamic entrances and shit just to find people who haven't heard from me uh oh i missed the 1800s too man one civil war

yeah there's the the equivalent of like email spam back then was that people just come into a town and pretending to be like a prince or something and like it worked it worked hey another prince just came to town right yeah easy to or or explorers like a lot of explorers were just out there making shit up being like yeah i went and i saw this place in south america with three-headed women i am actually william randolph hearst's nephew well please come in and i demand laudanum a lot of it a lot of this shit a lot of them you know what i mean ben what is something you think is overrated new cars this shit a lot of them you know what i mean a lot of them a lot of them thank you for that one

ben what is something you think's overrated new cars okay new cars new cars this is one that we've recently heard i think yeah yeah what was the reason i got a toyota used certified yeah matt matt leave oh that too i was right That's son of a gun. Yeah. What do you mean a new car? What specific aspect of it? I think of how shitty they break, how they're susceptible to breakdowns, unlike the cars of the 90s that are like, yeah, you can fucking drive into

a volcano and it will run. But what are we talking here with Newton? Yeah, forget about the cost and the depreciation, all that adult stuff. The age of auto surveillance is fucking creepy. It is bad, bad stuff. Right. It always starts as an opt-in thing, right?

Knock a few bucks off insurance or, oh, how convenient is it that we will, you know, we'll play the music for you. You can call a car service on your phone, but then it becomes mandatory, right? It becomes opt out. Then it becomes mandatory. And I was looking at, you know, not the high road, anybody, but I might buy a car pretty soon. So, right. Like a horseless car. Yeah.

Look at this. Gold. Yes. Gold. You got doubloons? I know, right? Like a horseless? Yeah. What are you using? Gold? Yes. What do you got, doubloons? You found an old chest? I found several doubloons. That's true.

That's true. I think I'm getting a Studebaker. I might flex on him with a Packard. Yeah, I'm not above it. Just because Zeppelin prices are crazy right now. I hear that. I hear that, bro. Yeah, but like, do you guys ever think about that? The idea that it's normalized to know your location at all times?

I think when we talked about it, it was always like in the context when they're saying stuff like it knew about like people's sexual habits. Yes. And you're like, how? I still don't know the mechanics of how i mean i guess like it could maybe you know infer from certain data points what was going on but yeah i mean i more so i think i've just grown a thick skin when it comes to surveillance capitalism like i fully

just resigned to the fact i'm like yeah dude i, dude, I don't fucking, they got me. They fucking got me. I don't know what the fuck I can do to get out of it. If they care to, they've got me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm hoping they don't. I'm hoping I'm boring enough. There's some narcissism to paranoia, right? Inherent.

I like that idea, too, of how it's so difficult to get to a human voice on a lot of uh company lines when you call in you know your 1-800 or whatever maybe surveillance is like that maybe you have to trip through several levels of weird before you get like the human intern and it's his or her job to check on jack yeah you know what i following this guy just because we find it entertaining, quite frankly. Yeah, look at him. Look at his bumbling soup cuck. This guy's buying pre-sliced peeled apples? Who the fuck does that?

What the fuck kind of weed is this? I don't like the peel. He doesn't like the peel. I like that soft outer layer. He'll get down on some raisins, though. Oh, hell yeah. Brother, get me started. What else am I missing in terms of, like, I get that all of these have,

most modern cars have GPS because they'll offer, like, a map navigation thing, but they'll be like, if you pay. But even if you don't, that hardware is in there. I know there's shit like a lot of remote capabilities like in terms of starting your air conditioner or like ac or locking or unlocking and stuff but what what other things should keep me up at night and why should i throw my car away oh great questions so uh in case you were sleeping too well at night please remember that we're not too far away from a future where you know, like a wet Tesla

dream where in cars are. Yeah. Yeah. That's the name of the album. I like it. Go on now. Miles' eyes just narrowed when he said that. That's why. I wasn't reacting to the phrase. I was reacting to how horny you got. How did you get your pupils to fucking tighten up like that?

You were looking into the bright light of heaven. It's like an iron giant. So as you're edging into the future, Miles, please remember, when semi-autonomous vehicles become normalized, when that infrastructure exists, there is a possibility. I'm not saying a specific country, but there is a possibility that that could be used to shut down individual transport. Like, imagine if there's a protest or something and it doesn't. Oh, your cars don't work today, huh? Yeah. Interesting.

Huh. How are you going to get to downtown? Yeah. And this is LA. We know people don't walk. So test your gangster for the proletarian revolution real quick. I know I sound like the guy with the sandwich board walking up and down Hollywood or whatever with some weird alarm. You're about to announce some great deals on some gold and jewelry?

Yeah. We buy tea. That's the guy I know from the sandwich board. Bring back sandwich boards. We buy teeth. That's the guy I know from the sandwich board. Bring back sandwich boards. I miss those. Yeah. No, but I get that. No, I mean, I get what you're saying. When you game it out to that where we've fully just been like, yeah, dude, not even have to drive anymore.

It's like, well, then what happens if you ever want to go somewhere? That's not your decision anymore. Yeah. All right. So anyway, only buy, you know, Hondas and toyotas from from the 90s basically if you don't stop jacking off in your car because it's watching knows and it's judgy which i don't really appreciate yeah in the garage no one can see okay not a fucking miscreant. This isn't for you, Honda. Excuse you. Excuse you. Excuse you. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back.

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you stream podcasts. and we're back my voice just went a little chewbacca there like and yet a little which is kind of interesting little because it ties into a little wookie a little wacky a little chewbacca a little sasquatch oh all right so i just want to get this out of the way. Kashyyyk me outside. I have generally. So you cover conspiracy theories on your podcast stuff. I don't want you to know. A type of conspiracy theory that has generally turned my brain into the off position, into the not listening, mute position, has been anything involving cryptozoology the study of like mythical animals that people wish existed or like a really convinced exist such as sasquatch i still remember there was a live episode of the cracked podcast around halloween we were doing like tell us your spookiest story and friend of the show ryan singer who is a very funny comedian and also like into

all manners of like trippy shit came on and he like had my ass he was telling me this story about like people disappearing in state parks and he was like plotting it out on maps and he was like you know telling the story and then he got to the like what was clearly the climax and i was like where is this going to go how do i not know about this and he was like and before the people disappeared everyone in the area reported smelling ammonia which is often associated with big foots and i was immediately like a fucking balloon deflating i was just like come on but then he like talked about it i i kind of was on board but it takes a lot for me to like get the whole sasquatch thing but it's definitely like it's not going anywhere there's a new indie film sasquatch sunset that it's definitely like it's not going anywhere there's a new indie film

sasquatch sunset that's getting a lot of attention with uh jesse eisenberg and riley keough who are like indie darlings you know like right it's it's entered the culture from like reality tv and you know mainstream silliness like harry and the henderson's but like now it's like getting into like the like this is hip and cool and interesting because like so i'm like let's give it another look well there's even today right like there's like news because some janky coin like making company has just launched the bigfoot discovery coin like that's still a thing like today they're like yep launch it now on monday so on monday september 9th 2024 on over the weekend there was louisiana had their very first uh louisiana bigfoot festival because now it seems like rather

than it being mostly like a northwestern phenomenon like it's we're seeing it in the bayou and in the southeast there's a swampy oh yeah and that's not just james carvel out there when he forgot to do his laundry that's that's a real that's a real bigfoot and you know like expedition bigfoot had a new season just drop like this like in this last month it does not go away and i too like jack like because i see it a lot on like the internet even like on reddit there's always like some new bigfoot thing i'm like come on y'all like really what come on what what is what what the why why where is the poop just thinking critically where is like for an animal that size or a primate of that size, where is the poop? We know for a fact, just to back this up, we know for a fact cryptozoology often considered a pseudoscience. But part of the reason things considered cryptids do later enter into the scientific record is because Western scientists got stuff wrong.

And they rocked up, you know, just a stranger in town, like we said. And they said, oh, the silicate long thought to be extinct for millions of years. Look at it here in the heart of the jungle. And then I do appreciate you now speaking in your regular voice, the charade of uh yeah to be from our modern era and from america yeah i'm merely a british observer of your american civil war quite a chaotic event oh you're a british civil war okay got it you didn't yeah yeah yeah a small demographic those thrill seekers who came from england be like, oh, I'm watching this. This is karma for them.

They did used to watch it as a spectator sport. The Civil War. They used to have sputniks and just watch the battlefield. So maybe mass media has saved us from some evil things. Darn it. But yes, the coelacanth is a great example. Thought extinct by Western science. And then when it was quote unquote rediscovered, everybody living in that fucking area of the world was like, yeah, this is the ugly fish.

It's been here forever. It's just, we don't eat it. It doesn't taste good either. I don't know why you guys are making a big deal. Right. What are you calling it? The ceiling? The coelacanth. you call it? The ceiling fan.

Ceiling fan. I did write ceiling fan in and I was like what's he talking about? Ceiling fan fish? It's a code phrase. C-O-E-L It's like coella. C-O-E-L-A-C-A-N-T-H And you know

no judgment. It's just not the prettiest fish. Yeah, it's ugly as hell. Yeah, it looks like it looks like like like an old dog that's got like, you know, skin tags and stuff. Yeah, it's been through it. But that's like the fish version. Like, oh, how old is this thing? Exactly. And so with that kind of stuff informs what people think about with cryptozoology.

Everybody wants to have some sort of encounter with the wild, right? Everybody wants to be Promethean, like, I have found the thing that was rumored. And I think to the question about why Bigfoot is so fascinating to people, it's really, we're talking about this ancient preoccupation that a lot of civilizations had with the idea of something that is almost, but not quite us. We don't know if human beings ever met an actual gigantopithecus was the largest primate. Uh, it's like 10 feet tall, weight over 500 pounds projected. So it's maybe, I don't know. It's very controversial, but it's like maybe possible that some version of humans ran into that and that made the game a telephone.

But I would, I would suggest to you guys that the reason people are so invested in this Bigfoot thing is because it's one, way to explain things right uh two it is tantalizing because the way that the argument is constructed just like ufo arguments never really delivers right or like what's that show the oak island money pit that ran for like 5 000 seasons and they always found something that could be something. So I think the longer it doesn't deliver, the more strength and the more intrigue it gets because you never get a satisfying resolution. And so it just builds and builds. It's like a JJ Abrams show, you know? Right. So like I talked to extensively, talked to people who are in that community and they're very, for the most part, very kind, you know, and they're not, they're not getting mad at me if I ask what I feel are logical questions like, okay, if there's a primate this size and assuming it's a primate, right, then where if it is, if a good comp is like a gorilla, then where is the Bigfoot nest?

Where do they sleep? What's their territory? What's their range? What streaming services do they subscribe to? Yeah, what are their subscriptions? What are their Star Wars names? Right. Like the Sasquatch sunset, I read like a brief plot synopsis

and it feels like the Sasquatch in that film are like fairly like they don't seem very advanced in their like reasoning which i feel like any version of bigfoot would have to be for it to have like stayed off grid this once would have to have at least invented poop bags real slippery off our yeah yeah yeah yeah that's i mean that's a great point because also all right so i did ask people about the poop right and admittedly i was a little overly diplomatic about it i was saying well you know a lot of our listeners in the crowd tonight are probably gonna wonder and every time i this, I would get really good energy back. The

people would say like one guy who started a museum, uh, here in LJ, Georgia. Well, it doesn't matter. Just believe me. It's a real place. And, uh, the, uh, I asked him about the poop and he said, yeah, that's a great question, Ben. Here's what I think. What if they're extra dimensional oh wow yeah immediately that's always where it goes also with just change the goalposts yeah yeah they don't poop bro they poop in another dimension they do that in another dimension in a pocket poop dimension yeah i love that just so quickly just reflexively they might be interdimensional i always thought thought the reason why Americans had an obsession with Bigfoot was the decline of the white working class. Is there anything to that? I was reading this article about this guy who wrote a book and apparently that comes up a lot, but in a way where people are like, what the fuck is this guy talking about? fuck is this guy talking about like is it they're saying it's a lot of dudes who like just sort of like yearn for the past and being out and like camping and stuff like that but at the end of

the day like it sounds like people who have enough money to go camping for long periods with infrared gear probably aren't the kind of working class uh people that they might be yearning for that is interesting it started in like the pacific Northwest around the same time that like grunge was being created because of the like collapse of the middle class there. And now it's like moving down to the Rust Belt. There's, that's an interesting theory. I don't know exactly how this author was not articulating it in that kind of way. It felt very like MAGA adjacent, a commenter's like yeah because like white working men are just like the villain now that's why we like bigfoot you're like whoa okay okay it was more like i feel like it could have been maybe a little bit more nuanced but the take felt a little bit all over there is a sociological aspect right because for sure we're talking about communities of people who believe in or are somehow taken with a certain idea. And it's interesting, too, you see it sometimes in recent UFO discourse, right? There is an underlying

sociological factor, like a lot of this stuff kind of trends to the right wing of the political spectrum. And so I think there's a validity to the idea that people are looking back with the rose-colored glasses on maybe an America that didn't exist. You know, just sort of this rockwoolized version of days past. And they're thinking, yeah, back then you could just go out in the wild, you know, just can a soup and a dream, see some wild animals. Or that like John Muir-ish version of conservation or it's like don't let native people sully the view this is just for our white gaze to cast upon untouched beauty and that's the old times we yearn for um yeah um you know i would love to see a bigfoot but they're the least of all the cryptids i think they're the least of all the cryptids. I think they're the least, that's the least interesting. Yeah. They're kind of like the vanilla ice cream,

I guess. But yeah, sure. But the, the, the interesting thing here for anybody who is hoping, you know, like I,

I would assume like all of us hoping to one day see something cool. How awesome would it be for a large animal to be discovered in our lifetime? This is one of the moments in history where it's more likely than it has been at most times in the past just because human beings are encroaching so much in the places that human beings didn't used to go so so even you sound like a guy who's like starting off to like sell me on a bigfoot tour he's like but here but here's the thing. If we were ever going to see one, the time is now because we're in now. Look,

how much money you got? Like $300. Well, that's exactly what my tour costs, man. You're in love. That's wild. Let's load up.

Yeah. I mean, I think so. In doing additional research to the like state parks mystery, the answer seems to be that state parks and just generally the world is much larger than people can possibly like realize. And so people just wander off a trail and get way more lost than they thought possible in a really short amount of time because the state parks are just like endless and very untamed. And we as modern people are not used to that sort of thing.

And so they just wander off and never find their way back. There's no federal, there's no single federal compilation, like federal level agency counting disappearances, which, which means, yeah, it can be quite a few people year over year.

But it also means, since that kind of agency doesn't exist, there's no one counting the reappearances. The guy's like, oh, shit, I got kind of stoned. It was my first time camping. I'm two days late, but I'm back. Now it's just a disappearance. I had a 100 milligram edible at the trailhead, and I was just actually asleep about 400 yards in. But I do think that's the that is one of the good arguments for how something like this could happen is how little of like how massive the world is. Yes.

And also how little of it we've actually officially documented and explored, right? There's obviously the ocean. There's famous quotes about how little of the ocean is known. But, I mean, it's true of a lot of wilderness. Wasn't the platypus thought to be a cryptid for a long time? All right. Said with great affection. You guys, I love animals.

The platypus looks so funny. Not to be rude, but I see it. a cryptid for a long time all right said with great affection you guys i love animals the platypus looks so fun not to be rude but i see it and i'm like you still don't believe it how the fuck did you get here buddy you know what i mean like yeah and i hacked this thing together yeah exactly i mean i think that's another part of it too a lot of times now that people live in increasingly in conurbations we're not around the natural world a lot of times we're less familiar with the other things living out there so you're already in an unfamiliar situation you hear a in the trees and then you hear some noise you've never heard before and it's like yeah then what you're not gonna know you're not gonna be like ah yes that's clearly shit that was me actually my bad i was taking a shit over there

i mean and also that is like when you think about the things that nature has invented that seem completely made up i guess that's the thing that fails to grab me about the sasquatch is like oh we have those right like we have big giant apes who can like speak in sign language like we have things that seem like they were made up by a child we have giant squid yes for a long time people were fascinated by that as like one of the main you know cryptids and then once we discovered it was real we were like all right fuck off moving on i mean think about how how weird i mean you're right the the natural world is full of all these crazy evolutionary mixtapes that attempt to solve problems in the past that may not be as applicable today, like a giraffe.

That's a very specific thing. A lot of insects and their relationship with plants. I feel like if you were looking at cryptid type biology, if you are frightened for some reason of the idea of a large undiscovered

animal, you should be much more frightened of fungus because that stuff is, that stuff's amazing and scary. That's the HB Lovecraft stuff. No, bro. You don't got to tell me, bro.

I saw last of us. Right. Right. Cordyceps. I apologize if this feels like it's old hat, but every time. So like, uh,

what do you guys think about zoos do you think they're important for commerce uh conservation do you think it's more like an animal jail what's where where on the spectrum are you guys i think they're fun and i won't admit that because i don't want people to yell at me i think they're animal jails and i think animal jails are cool jails and i think animal jails are cool there we go how about that so i'll stand on that um i mean i think as i got old i think the thing is like there's some like you know like in san diego there's like way more space and like they're sort of safari area but like when i've been to like urban zoos like there's a zoo in tokyo where like these fuckers look so sad i'm like yeah this is not a zoo this motherfucker is rotting in a concrete cell for for babies to

just smear their hands all over the plexiglass and then move on like that i definitely like so in a way i like that there is a place to observe animals but the way that it's done it's like uh yeah that is there is there a more humane way like a way that doesn't bum me the fuck out like right just so on its face like when i go there i think you know i'm talking about i'm talking about the one in uh window park don't love it i was excited excited to go. And then I walked out thinking, oof, all right. Yeah. It's a rough one, but I bring up the zoo question because one of the great conspiracies about cryptids you run into, especially with the Bigfoot stuff, is

people saying, insert cabal here. It's covering up the knowledge. What's the Smithsonian doing with all the bones i assure you folks if the smithsonian had a ghost of a chance having any real thing uh like proof of a contemporaneous bigfoot it would be fucking all over the place with it you couldn't get away from it it would be like the it would tour the nation and the world. They would sequence the DNA and try to make a Bigfoot zoo or community. And we would be some of the first people there. Yeah. Well, I mean, have you met someone who has like a specialized interest like that?

Like an archeology or zoology or something? Those people love to shit. Like their, their whole thing is wanting more people to be interested in what they do. They're not going to keep secrets. secrets yeah they're not going to be like just shut the fuck up about the thing that could really fucking bring a lot of interest just shut the fuck up will you like they're not doing that shit all right let's take a

quick break and then I do want to check in with you real quick about the aliens we'll be right back hey I'm Gianna Pradente. And I'm Jemay Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline, a new podcast from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. When you're just starting out in your career, you have a lot of questions. Like, how do I speak up when I'm feeling overwhelmed?

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you stream podcasts. And we're back. We're back. fascinated, obsessed by, wondering why we ever talk about anything else with the prospect of first contact and some of the military encounters with UAPs, otherwise known as UFOs, but I don't want to sound silly, so I call them UAPs. And, you know, in reference to what we were talking about with animals being fascinating when they're cryptids and then if they're actually verified as real, people kind of lose interest. Yeah, yeah. I feel like, not that aliens and alien technology were discovered, but there was this congressional testimony that people all kind of paid attention to.

It was big front page news. Person said wild shit. Congress was like, damn, that is wild. And then it just people, I feel like there's just been a hush. People have been like, all right, well, we're kind of, well, that guy's a credibility. Pretty yeah, that guy's credibility.

Yeah, yeah. So it's not exactly the same thing, but I do just kind of as somebody who, you know, this is an area of focus. I'm curious to hear your summary of what has been going on in that community over the past months. roughly, or for shorthand, you would call it disclosure. And disclosure is the concept that, as we all know, the concept that one, some sort of non-human intelligent thing is out there, and two, that it interacted with the humans or it somehow left artifacts or other tangible material evidence, and three for some reason a bunch of people just do not want you to know about it it's super secret and that for generations and generations the human beings a species notoriously bad at keeping its mouth shut managed to not let anyone know until now, right?

That's the idea, right? Until this guy. Until this guy who also has a book you can buy. You know what I mean? And I think that's part of it to level set with the congressional stuff, the big, big announcements that were always brought to bear

or always advertised or signaled as such, what we see often is if you look at what a lot of these guys, these veterans, these former pilots, and so on, you look what they're saying, and they're usually saying something much more nuanced than what is being reported in a headline. They're saying, hey, I read a thing that was about a thing that I have not myself seen. And there's nothing wrong with saying that. You know, it's kind of, it's a paperwork argument, really. And from that, we see these somewhat hyperbolic headlines

about, oh, you know, billions of dollars are being put into this research and this study, or beep, millions of dollars, I don't know if we keep the beep in, are being put into this. And that sounds like a lot of money until you forget that millions of dollars is a minuscule drop in the billion dollar bucket of global superpowers. And they're putting, you know, millions of dollars into all kinds of research that might seem crazy to us. You know, this is, we can't forget, in the case of the U.S.,

this is a government where one day, 4.30 on a Friday, some guy was coming up with ideas. He looked at his cat and he was like, what if, what if this was also a bomb? You know, and he got pretty far with that so i i guess the the thing is it was tantalizing people have i think i don't know if i would say they've moved on we see less general public interest but the people who are already into it are are further

and further into it even though it's kind of a jam tomorrow jam yesterday but never ever jam today situation right okay i'm yeah jam the michael jackson song the michael jackson song yeah yeah we know yeah we get it too hard for me to jam yeah i uh yeah i've noticed myself become less interested in it and because because it's they gave us so much homework it was like a class where they gave us they went talked to congress and then just so much homework. It was like a class where they gave us, they went and talked to Congress and then just so much homework. And there were people being like, I can't believe you believe in this. That is, you are a very stupid man. Here, read this really long article about why you're stupid. And then, you know, just an endless number of articles where it's like, actually, this is kind of intriguing, but never actually focusing on the thing.

Again, it does feel like, like you said, there's an amazing amount of work being done to just keep the truth just off the edge, just out of focus, just out of reach in a way that seems a little almost too perfect. I can believe that that could be done by a military with tons of funding, more than I can believe that it's being done by a Sasquatch. But I do still find it a little bit hard to believe. Well, back in the day, one of the things that the U.S. government loved during the 50s and the 40s, the Project Blue Book era, loved the idea of aliens.

Because that's a great, that's way more palatable than saying, oh yeah, we're also building our own crazy ships, but we can't let people know about this aircraft. And then to that point, man, at some, like, I'm not saying these folks are bad faith actors at all. You know, in some cases, you know. The U.S. military? Yeah, we wouldn't allow you to say that on our podcast. No, no.

Specifically, the people say that they saw something weird they can't explain it if you go to most of those folks who are saying that firsthand the phenomenon the witness they're not making these crazy wackadoo claims they're not saying i saw an alien it told me straws are weird or anything like that and it was kissing superintendent Chalmers. And then it looked at me. Yeah. They're saying, I saw something. I can't explain it.

And I tried to report it. And I hope that someone does something from that. You know, it gets the tease. Like imagine, imagine all of us were hanging out. And for some reason we went to like a stage magic show i don't know why we decided to go to a magic show yeah okay close-up magic yeah yeah is that why you're

differentiating stage magic versus close-up magic thank you for all my magic heads out there thank you i do prefer intimate close-up magic but yes yes, stage magic is also fine for this guy. So we see some guys, you know, he's doing like a magician trick. He's got like a box. It's up in the box or, you know, if I do close-up magic, he's like, pick a card. What's in the box? Like Brad Pitt at the end of Seven? Yes. As I do. Always ruining a magic show.

That fucking guy's here again. The box guy? What's in the box? Oh my God, it's box guy. He's wearing a wig. I didn't catch him at the door. He's so quick. He's a big foot, this guy. But the idea here, I think the comparison is, let's go close-up

magic since we got box guy in the crowd. And they keep saying, all right, pick a card. And then you pick a card, they just keep shuffling. There's never a reveal. So I think people get tired or become somewhat wearied by seeing the constant shuffling without the delivery. And maybe, you know, if when this episode comes out,

if the next day we do get some provable revelation, like physical evidence, then I will come back on the show and make a mea culpa, but I just don't see it happening right now. Okay. My interest had the same thing too, where like it was, I was like,

Oh shit, they fucking have vehicles that they had to hide. They pay other fucking consultants to fucking steal. I was like, yes, more because for me, my confirmation bias is set to let me see them let me see them aliens like now yeah now now now uh they have biologics smiles yeah we have

and they only say non-human origin yeah which could mean is that a particularly clever platypus? It's a stick they found in a whale's mouth. But like, no, in that sense, I have such a, for me, my appetite is like, bro, just give me anything. Just give me anything. Cause I, I so badly want to, I so badly want to be like, I want to see this shit. So I'm sort of like a Bigfoot person, but like with aliens or not necessarily like i'm gonna believe everything what these people say but if someone says something about it that's like getting a lot of pickup i'm like oh i'll entertain this yeah obviously knowing i need empirical evidence to fully go there but like i think that part is more i think it just excites the part of my brain which

i think is the same same thing with cryptids is like i'd want to feel like there's still another big scientific existential reveal in the bag for me to witness firsthand while it's like while i am on this earth and that's all it is it's purely like it's chasing the sensation of like the unknown becoming known and i've just sort of put all of my alien eggs into this basket, hoping that something will happen. But at the same time, I'm also just as skeptical because I'm, I'm also, I famously, I think I became an atheist when I prayed for Nintendo and I never got it.

So it's just, well, not yet. Maybe. But did you get one? I'm like, yeah, but my grandma,

but, oh, but you got one, but you got it. Yeah. Don't try to use pastor me. Don't try. We're done. We're cooked, bro. My, don't try to use pastor me. Don't try to get me out.

We're done. We're cooked, bro. My parents ain't getting back together either, Pastor Rob. So now what? Shout out, Pastor Rob. Oh, man. So, I mean, that's a beautiful, I think that's a beautiful and kind of universal thing, this idea of being here to witness some, some great discovery, you know, the, the concept though, also just the more skeptical of us in the crowd, you know,

you could make a case that a lot of the coverage and the, and the ink spent on this in the press was to sort of move other stories out of mainstream conversation, you know, just like, Oh, we don't have spy planes. They must be aliens. Don't worry about what's going down in this other country that if you're most americans you can't find on a map instead bro aliens remember yeah not on our government printed world maps we get they're like that country doesn't even exist so i guess i don't have to worry about it nah move along all right well ben bolin what a pleasure having you on the daily zeitgeist where can people find you follow you all that good stuff uh yeah you can find me on uh places

with social media handles going by at ben bolin in a burst of creativity uh benbolin.com check out stuff they don't want you to know for critical thinking applied to conspiracy theories check out ridiculous history where you can find none other than the myths and the legends themselves from my favorite cryptids podcasting, our own Miles and Jack, which we're just a scheduling thing away from figuring out how we finally get you guys back on. Nobody believes we exist over there.

It's weird. It's a weird experience. They say I'm crazy. Yeah. Yeah, as a biracial person living in america in 2024 i i feel like we're also cryptids uh when i write when i watch right wing media what are you though exactly i'm a pokemon give me a box i can put you in please right yeah ben is there work of media that you've been enjoying? A tweet or a show or a podcast or whatever? examining a still unsolved disappearance of a guy named Robert Fisher,

who is suspected of doing some very heinous things, murdering his family and ghosting. This is an active investigation. Our host, John Walzak, has uncovered things that it appears law enforcement missed. So please do tune into that, especially if you can help us figure out the case it would mean quite a bit this is so wild to me though that like we're in a place where obviously we know the the shortcomings of like law enforcement that now we like as pod in podcasting there are things being uncovered that this is fucking this is so wild to me that, yeah, that's where we're at. We may have uncovered things that the fucking cops couldn't or couldn't be bought. I mean, I will, I will let

people listen, get involved, get into it, get sucked in and help. You can, this might be one of the few podcasts where you might actually be able to help solve like what the fuck happened. Although you can tell us if you've seen an alien, you can also solve that one for us. Yeah. Just while you're up, you know? Yeah. Also,

have you seen an alien? Just saw. Yeah. Amazing. Uh, miles. Where can people find you as their work of media? You've been enjoying.

Yeah. Find me on Twitter, Instagram at miles of gray. Find Jack and I on the basketball podcast. Miles and Jack got mad boosties. Find me talking 90 day fiance on on 420 Day Fiance. Some tweets I like. So obvious, people probably know.

Maybe you don't because you're not a hip hop fan. But Kendrick Lamar is going to be performing the Super Bowl halftime show, which is such a wild. So just the tweets around it have I've just been getting a chuckle out of first one is from at Dante V8 said performing at the Superbowl in response to a song where the guy you were beefing with said he was big as the Superbowl is the craziest rebuttal in history. And I'm like, yep,

yep, yep. And then another one is from at D dot Oman. And it's just a fantastic meme. Everyone will be able to picture this. It's the Bush, uh, doing at the children's reading circle on nine 11, except it's just a fantastic meme. Everyone will be able to picture this. It's the Bush doing at the children's reading circle on 9-11, except it's Drake. And someone is whispering in his ear.

Clearly, Kendrick Lamar is doing the Super Bowl. Yeah, it's just it's just that's that's the moment we're in. So, yeah. Shout out to the West Coast. Shout out to the West Coast. Let's see. A tweet I've been enjoying. Isabella at Lev

underscore Glebovich tweeted, we were all incredibly touched by your DJ set. Oh, shit. Which I like to always open my handwritten letters with. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien.

You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. We link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song that we think you might enjoy uh miles what song do you think people might enjoy um well it's a specific song but i think people should check so there's uh this group called the phil harmonic uh but the main dude is this guy from sacramento and he's like such a fantastic songwriter musician like his his he's nailed down his like

genre aesthetic everything is so fantastic i will say that the song i'm going to recommend is drugs but really you should watch the tiny desk concert of the philharmonic that came out a few months ago it's really fucking good and this guy is so charismatic and this song drugs feels like something like what's uh what's old boy's name who did hamilton oh yeah lin-manuel miranda lin-manuel miranda like lin-man what i'm like see i've already i've already put him out of my mind because i'm like this guy this guy has such like this is a song lin-manuel miranda like wished he could have written uh because it's just really good. Anyway, it's called Drugs.

It's about the first time you contemplate selling drugs because the economy is so bad. But it's done in such an amazing, soulful way. Again, I say really just check out the Tiny Desk concert of the Philharmonic. And that's with a K at the end. But this track, if you're looking for this single track, it's Drugs. But again, I implore you, watch the Tiny Desk version. All right. We will link off to that in the footnotes.

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