The Daily Zeitgeist - Why Is Mel Gibson Back, The NRA: A Brief History 11.8.17

Episode Date: November 9, 2017

In episode 24, Jack & Miles are joined by comedian Jon Gabrus to discuss Mel Gibson's return to Hollywood, the history of the NRA, the Paradise Papers, Taylor Swifts ACLU run-in, and LiAngelo Ball's shoplifting troubles in China. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Lucha Libre Behind the Mask on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you stream podcasts. Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 5, Episode 3 of the Daily Zeitgeist for November 8th, 2017. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Potatoes O'Brien, and I'm joined by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Hello, 2017. My name is Jack O'Brien, aka Potatoes O'Brien, and I'm joined by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Hello, everyone. I hope you had a great election Tuesday because some shit went down. And we are thrilled to be joined by the host of High and Mighty and

one of two people who I have Googled halfway through his first appearance on Comedy Bang Bang, Mr. John Gabrus. What's up, man? Oh, thank you, guys. So this is the moment in which I'm introduced. This is the time. It was a pretty obvious moment. I'm sorry I even asked.

No, you're not supposed to be talking right now. Sorry, no, not yet, actually. Hold on one second, and then Jack, do the real intro, and then we'll go. Thanks for having me, guys. I'm very excited on this post election Tuesday yeah I'm very I'm very excited to have

John Gabrus in the building because I I'm a huge fan I didn't want to tell you that when you came in I played it real low key I didn't want it

yeah all the sweating I wanted to be attributed to something else but yeah it's so dope to have you here man oh yeah

please thanks for having me yeah you and Carl Tartt, by the way. Oh, okay. Two people who I've been like, who the fuck is this? Yeah, Carl Tartt's mad funny. Yeah.

As are you, my friend. We constantly say sound speeding in here. Yeah, we do. We're not on the air because that's your thing. Sound speeds. Sound speeds. So, John, what is something that you have searched in the last week that you believe to be revealing about who you are as a human being? Oh, okay.

I could not remember a certain rugby player's name because I saw his picture on Instagram, and he was super fucking jacked, and he was huge. And I was like, I searched like huge jacked because and i knew he was like a pacific islander of some sort like huge jacked pacific islander rugby guy and i was like this is insane search right i need to show up i eventually was able to find him i'm currently like scrambling to search for him now to back up this story because i forgot of what i was going to say that's just kind of what you're into yeah and it turns out i was like okay yeah that this is the dude um he's fucking a huge dude like bigger than the rock uh i don't know if he's bigger than the rock but he like uh

who is these days nobody's bigger than the rock yeah don't you dare fuck don't you get out of here with that means maybe sam clovis oh yeah sam clovis has fucking got the traps like uh the rock does which is pretty fucking dope oh yep here it is uh his name is sione calamafone how did you forget that i know calamafone that's better let me see this jacked man look at the fucking look at the arms on this dude oh my god they look like my fucking thighs yeah dude your thighs are ripped yeah well thank you thank you for bringing it back to my dirtier than i would imagine uh yeah so if you are into the male form i say google sione calamafoni you're not getting i'm saying it sounds like i'm mocking i feel like i'm mocking his ethnicity. You sound like that guy Bo Dietl on Fox. He's always like, yeah, Sayoni, Calamoflia, whatever the fuck his name is.

Bo Dietl is a John Gaber's character. He sounds exactly like everyone in my family. He's like, listen, de Blasio, let me fucking talk here for a second, all right? Here's the thing about opposite side street parking, all right? What side of the street are you supposed to be on? How am I supposed to know which one's the opposite? Yeah, he got been in the news. He got in the news recently.

He was at the debate and was, like, fucking hogging the time. Remember that? Right, yeah. I think even, like, oh, yeah, now I know who you're talking about. And he only got 1% of the vote yesterday in the mayoral election. He had one of the great performances of all time. Oh, yeah. In any debate. Right below The Rent is Too Damn High. Right.

It's like those two guys. I fucking miss New York for those reasons. Right. Yeah, out here, we don't have that quite yet. It used to be funny to have a random person run for office. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now it carries a totally different kind of situation. Now it just totally fucks your country.

Well, the precursor was that gubernatorial election here when Schwarzenegger came in, and everybody was writing in, like Mary Carey, the porn star was like running. And I think we got past that. But I think we're back. God, I wish Arnold was born in America. We could fuck it. He would be a Republican. I would allow in the Oval Office.

I mean, yeah, he's taking gerrymandering seriously. So, you know, he likes the environment. Who gives a shit about us? Exactly. If he's like a crazy womanizer, who knows? Hey, he raised his maid's kid. Yeah. I can like, you know, it the environment who gives a shit about yeah exactly if he's like a crazy womanizer who knows hey he raised his maid's kid he fucking like didn't he though it's still part of his life the kid is a part of his life he like posts about him on instagram oh he does so i have like a new respect he just owned his like yeah all right i cheated on my wife i had a kid and now the kid's like 20 and he's like the kid looks straight up like he's actually and he's got like

latino in him so he's like even like he's like and he's got like Latino in him. So he's like even like he's like this giant jacked square. Slightly more exotic Arnold Schwarzenegger. My friend who was in town last week like goes to a bunch of good golf courses and he knows people who have like golfed with Arnold Schwarzenegger. And he always every time he like meet someone new in his golfing, he, like, sets up, has his, like, cigar in his mouth. And as he's, like, ready to tee off on the first tee, he's like, when was the last time you had a blowjob? And the person's like, I don't know, like, six months. And, like, as he swings, he goes, how did it taste?

And, like, that's his, like, go-to move. Oh, man. See, he's still got it. Yeah, he's still got it. He's got the one-liner strength of an uncle. You know what I mean? It's so great. Yeah, how did it taste?

I mean, what I'm saying is that you are the one who is blowing the person and not receiving the blowjob. Do you get it? Do you get it? Getting the blowjob. John, what it? Do you get it? Getting the blowjob. John, what's something you think is overrated? Oh, blowjobs. Seriously? The hand is a very strong muscle.

Oh, what is something I think is overrated? Okay. I mean, is it hack to say pumpkin spice stuff? It's sort of like it's in my house big time because my wife is very autumn oriented. So we have pumpkin spice soap. She doesn't drink the pumpkin spice lattes or the PSLs. But I don't think they're – they taste like candy to me. They don't taste like coffee.

And now I just sound like the old dude who's like, it ain't coffee, all right? You're putting fucking pumpkin spice latte in there, all right? That ain't coffee. I'm like Dennis Leary's stand-up special who's pete fuck pete give me whiskey it just is like it tastes like pumpkin pie basically in a cup yeah it's so far from coffee and it's like the fact that we've convinced ourselves as a culture it's like this is appropriate to drink seven days a week for three months so is your gripe against it that it's just real it's like a nothing? Yeah.

It's just a flavor that people are getting hyped off of? Right, yeah. Like, what's the big deal? And then Starbucks is, like, capitalizing off of it. I mean, why wouldn't you if you were a business? Yeah, like, literally everyone's capitalizing. They have pumpkin spice Cheerios. They have, like, pumpkin spice everything.

Yeah, yeah. Don't feed that to your kids. Yeah, that reminds us. We need to do that. We need to assign that out to one of our writers to look into, like, pumpkin spice culture. Yeah. Don't feed that to your kids. Yeah, that reminds us. We need to do that. We need to assign that out to one of our writers to look into, like... Pumpkin spice culture? Yeah. What's the weirdest thing to have pumpkin spice added to it?

And also, like, where the whole thing came from. Like, was there, like, some, like, extract? Right. Like, they were just like, we've got a lot of this pumpkin spice shit. Pumpkin spice condoms are pretty dope. There was, like, five scientists in a laboratory. They dropped, like, an eyedropper into a Bunsen beaker or whatever. And then all of a sudden, like thousands of white women smash outside, like ran into the lab.

They're like, they're surrounded us. They're like, let us in. There's like 50 white fucking Volkswagen Tiguan's parked outside. He gets on the phone. He's like, boss, this hasn't happened since Febreze. This hasn't happened since Kate Spade, Tiny Backpacks. Somebody's in their 30s. What's something you think is underrated?

Now this, again, I feel like this is, I just finally got around to watching this show, and I can't believe how few people are talking about it, but I just started watching Baskets. Oh, yeah. I'm like five episodes into season can't believe how few people are talking about it but i just started watching baskets the oh yeah i'm like five episodes into season one i'm like every time i don't know that many people that watch it but anyone who does watch it says they love it and then i like why i'm like of course

it's gonna be decent it's zach alfnack and i watch i'm like this is funnier than most shit on television and why aren't people hyping me to it exactly like why like why aren't i hearing and also like louis anderson is one is probably my favorite part of that whole show so good it's unbelievable and all the kirkland signature shit i love how much stuff they do that they don't address like that's like my favorite type of comedy is where it's like huge choices that are not spoken to at all yeah yeah like what's an example of one of the choices that they don't address? The fact that Louis Anderson is playing a woman. He's playing his mom.

There's not even like, well, you know, when I have to go to the bathroom. It's like, you know, there's like no... That's the mom. Yeah, that's the mom. That Costco insurance salesman. That Costco is such a global brand. It's really funny to me. And then the hierarchy

of how rodeo clowns work. I'm a few episodes in, so I'm very curious how the rest of it goes. The guy who is like, all right, so you wash that paint off and I'll see you at home. He's like, I'm a juggalo, bro.

They posit a world in which a juggalo is like, I guess I should become a clown. That's my options. Have you seen it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I'm up through the second season. Yeah, I'm very curious. Season three is starting.

Everything Kirkland is my favorite. If it can be Kirkland, it is Kirkland. The woman who plays the insurance salesman, I feel bad that I don't know her name. She's so fantastic. She's so deadpan and dry. Like, I've never seen her. His best friend.

Yeah, his best friend. She's amazing. She's so good. Doesn't she have a cast on her arm? Yeah. Like, for a while. Like, in the first part. Like, just, that's like.

I think anyone with a cast on their arm. Of course, Zach Galifianakis plays his, like, own twin brother who's got, Chip and Dale. They have two super handsome, biracial DJ twin brothers. I love all that shit. I think his friend's name is Martha Kelly, is the actress. Shout out to Martha Kelly.

Shout out to Martha Kelly. She is wildly underrated. And those DJ twins, they run up and... Have you seen them? You live on the west side. They're all over Beverly Hills, Brentwood, jogging all the time.

Oh, really? Yeah. That's how you get cast that's actually you know that was their mentality they're like we're both twins we're six foot three we're handsome let's fucking get out there let's get out there just jog with our shirts off at the very least we'll be a meme yeah so shit dude is that what i need i'm gonna call uta i'll be jogging by their office all right before we get into the stories uh just state our purpose up top the daily zeitgeist we're trying to take a sample of the ideas out there changing the world whether

we're looking or not we talk about politics the president uh news we also talk about movies and supermarket tabloids uh just all all the dumb shit that's out there. Bat Boy Founding Cave. They will tackle it. Exactly. But up top, we've been asking our guests to debunk something that they know to be like a movie myth or a pop culture myth based on their background. And we know that you are kind of an athlete, John. I would say I'm an ex-athlete. An ex-athlete. Right. But you like played rugby.

Run down your creds of sports. What did you play? In high school, I played football and I was captain of the swim team. And then in college, I played rugby. And then after college, I played rugby for like a few years in New York City. Then I play like once a year

for fucking like a travel team sort of bachelor party-esque type thing nice yeah um well so i could bust some jock myths for you guys um jocks get a bad rap jocks get a bad rap in movies because they see they're always played as bullies as a group of bullies right but often the jocks like we're bullying each other we have people we hate on the team we don't need to like find nerds to bully right right like we're bullying each other. We have people we hate on the team. We don't need to, like, find nerds to bully. Right, right. Like, we're like, there's a dude who's on the team who you hate.

Yeah, exactly. Like, you don't have to reach. And I think that's the thing that's, like, there's that myth. And then there's the myth that jocks are dumb, obviously. And it's only because the most vocal ones usually are. But the most vocal kid in your class is usually dumb, too. Right. But there's a lot of jocks who are like, believe it or not, and this is like, I think, nerd propaganda.

Believe it or not, there are people who are both physically and mentally capable of that. No. Right. And I think nerds are like, well, if they're physically capable, we should brand them as dumb. But then you also know like losers who don't play sports. You also know dumb versions of those people. Right, right. There are people who also can dumb versions of those people. Right, right. There are people who also can't do shit either way.

Right, exactly. Exactly. They're like, oh, yeah, these fucking jocks. But I'm not a nerd. I'm failing in school. I hate myself and I have no friends or whatever. I think I do automatically assume that nerds are smart. Right.

That's definitely not always the case. I think if you're not smart and you're a nerd, I think you're just called a loser. Is that terrible? I hate to use the brands of the late 90s, but I think that makes you a loser. Well, you need something to hang your hat on. And if you're a nerd, come on, come with the intelligence. Come with the intellect. Don't just hate on shit.

Yeah, I think that's when you start smoking cigarettes, when you're like, I'm not going to do sports or school. It's like, what can I find? Ooh, partying. Yeah. Juggalo. Yeah. Juggalo. Um,

all right. That's, that's great. I love that. By the way, only in the podcasting world, am I the opinion of jocks? It's like,

Hey, you're the closest thing we can get to a jock to come on here. You have played a sport, correct? I mean, I can talk about hockey, I guess, but don't believe that a black and these guys play hockey. I know.

Eighties and nineties. So yeah, you, you fall under no preconception. That's even like, what the fuck are you? The preconception is that you don't exist. Yeah. Well, that was like, I grew up, my, my best friend growing up who lived across the street from me was black and his mom was a doctor and his dad was an engineer at Grumman and I was just like that was my black

stereotype for like 10 years and I was like wow I was way off that's not the stereotype yeah you met a group of black kids in like college what's up man y'all wanna look at some schematics and they're like what alright speaking of stereotypes

let's talk about Mel Gibson, y'all. He's in a new Christmas movie. Well, he's not going to be in a new Hanukkah movie. Right. Exactly. Or Kwanzaa, to be honest. Yeah. Or anything.

He's in Daddy's Home 2. that whatever today's date is from his previous scandal is apparently the expiration date for, uh, you know, using the N word and saying Jews start all the wars in the world. Uh, that, that's apparently the expiration date for like how long we give a shit about that. Yeah.

You have to be able to figure out, like calculate a time before all your shitty deeds somehow get pushed to the back of like the social awareness and consciousness and then you can kind of like sneak back in they're like oh okay i guess we're letting we're letting you do this yeah and i mean this kind of ties into stuff we've been talking about recently uh because apparently uh the criminal lawyer who sort of turned the tide for mel gibson uh and kind of helped him through his period of being, you know, ignored or, you know, hated by Hollywood for his weird rants, has now signed on to Harvey Weinstein's new legal team. So, you know, this system is getting ready to rev itself back into high gear to try and rehabilitate Harvey Weinstein, apparently.

Oof. That's a tough one for him. Yeah, I mean, I would have thought that Mel Gibson was a tough one. I would have thought that Alec Baldwin, that leaked voicemail to his kid, would have been his undoing. And we're loving him. Yeah, but it's a matter of where you stand in some culture war where you you're like we should forgive him like harvey weinstein even tried to take that he's like i'll stop gun control i'll do gun control please please please he's being dragged

away to like some fucking croatian resort yeah to get better sex rehab yeah slang for who knows what right but yeah it's again i i don't it's like the same thing with like r kelly i don't know how people are still going to his fucking concert or chris uh brown yeah right like just i mean i don't want to start getting into like the equivalencies of like what's worse pissing on like a girl or beating your wife but just or like holding women captive in your home like and not letting them talk to people it's they come back so – people come back so strong. And it's – honestly, money makes you indestructible. It's like what the lesson to be learned in America is. Like you are unassailable if you have enough money.

You're just like thick – I mean like – that's what our entire political thing is now, right? Like people – like so many insane things have been said about both Hillary and Trump and like literally nothing sticks. And I mean, I'm just saying that to be bipartisan for a split second. Right. But so nothing sticks to either person. Yeah. The power protects you, you know, especially like when other people have a lot to lose by you going down. I feel like everything stuck to Hillary, man.

I feel like she got got a lot of shit. I feel like nothing stuck to her husband. I feel like she got a lot of shit. I feel like nothing stuck to her husband. Like, he got away with a lot of shit. But I feel like Hillary got people just, like, never forgave her for, like, letting her husband, like, fuck an intern or, like, get blowed up from an intern. Yeah, that, again, we have to solve a problem being fair and balanced when treating the sexes equally. Right. Dude, R. Kelly is insane because just thinking back on that, I've been listening to some- Trapped in the Closet?

Peak Aaliyah. Peak Aaliyah. Peak Aaliyah, like Timberland Aaliyah. Because you can't get that stuff on the streaming services. Yeah, all her shit is not on Spotify or whatever. Is it not on Apple Music either spotify's gaps are very interesting yeah i'm always like really you don't have this well that's where like the wars of like title and apple music all like you start seeing like well we got this so you're gonna have like i'm not subscribing to all three i'll just download

that shit illegally so uh on like some service like tune in or something i've thumbs up enough alia that uh like one of her early album i think her first album came on that album was called age ain't nothing but a number and it had her as a 14 year old standing in the foreground and r kelly in the background leaning against a wall and like his whole thing was that he was dating alia who was like 14 at the time she was 15 when they got married 15 yeah dude he was and like he's like stand like leaning back against a wall like it's like yeah it's like he was the bad guy purchase her on a yacht right yeah exactly and we were like yeah but bumping grind huh huh? They met when she was 12, apparently. Oh, fuck, man.

So this is a guy who sexually abused one of our favorite female artists of the past 20 years. And we were like, yeah, you know, I mean, he's got some good songs. He's got a little person in his... Is that R. Kelly, though, in the background? Obscured in the background? Yeah. Oh, God. Yeah, because that is fucking creepy.

Because she's in the foreground in focus, and then in the background... Yeah. Oh, God. Yeah, because that is fucking creepy. Because she's in the foreground, in focus, and then in the background... Like blurry. Blurry predator. It looks like he's on the phone like, oh, I gotta go. Like he's hanging up the phone. He's like, oh, wait, hold on. He's like, hold on. Sweet peace just walked in.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I'm on camera. I think I'm on camera. Yeah. Yeah, look at the cover of her first album, AJ, Nothing But a Number. I also like how they have her name phonetically spelled in parentheses like above. A-li-a. Oh, really?

Yeah, just so you don't get it fucked up. There you go. White America. Don't you worry, White America. She's not Middle Eastern. Right. Who do you think we've gotten drummed out of society the furthest that will bounce back? I mean, we have no reason to let Weinstein back.

No. At least Mel Gibson's like... Actors have it a little bit better because you can have a more personal connection to them. Right. Whereas, like, Weinstein's gone. I'm going to play it safe and I'm going to say Steve Bartman. Ooh, okay. That's a good one.

Is that the dude from the Cubs? The Cubs. I think they honestly let him... Once the Cubs won the World Series, I feel like they, like, absolved him. Yeah. That's the furthest I'm going to go. I think they honestly let him, once the Cubs won the World Series, I feel like they absolved him. That's the furthest I'm going to go. Who knows? At this rate, right?

It could be how insane the world is right now. It could be, who knows? Right. Fucking Harvey Weinstein or some shit. It's impossible to say what's going to happen with Woody Allen or some of the other. Polanski. Roman Polanski. Yeah. Um,

Ratner, you got to pick. Uh, I, I, I was trying to, I'm trying to think of who's like really actually fucked. Like who's out of society.

Like, right. Cause there's not many. Who's like Tom Hanks, like cast away. Who's been drummed out and is like, hopefully they'll be able to come like, uh,

Stacy dash. Yeah. Yeah. That's, hopefully they'll be able to come. Like, uh, Stacey Dash. Yeah. I think that's a solid pick. Stacey Dash will not be allowed back into the black community. I don't think they'll ever. Hey, look, if R. Kelly's coming back, yeah, who knows? That's true. But fuck, I mean, yeah, Stacey Dash, come on.

You broke my heart, Stacey. We have a list in front of us of Mel Gibson's rap sheet of all the bad shit that he did. And it's way worse than I remember. So first of all, when he was arrested for the DUI in 2006 and called a female officer sugar tits and also said that the Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world. He was already being considered a anti-Semite for making the Passion of the Christ, which like had an anti-Semitic message. So it's like he was already like had to like do an interview with Diane Sawyer that I worked on because I worked at ABC News at the time. And I was like looked into his dad had this like weird anti-Semitic church. And he was like, no, I swear up and down I'm not anti-Semitic. And then he had this thing where he was like the Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world. And then he called Winona Ryder an oven dodger at a party.

And then – He's like making up his own racial slurs. Yeah. Yeah, he made that one up. It's nice – at least – good takeaway from this is we can learn own racial slurs. Yeah. Yeah. He made that one up. It's nice. At least good takeaway from this is we can learn new racial slurs. Yeah, exactly. Because when I first heard that, I'm like, what is he talking? I'm like, oh, God.

Okay. Okay. Jeez. And then in interviews for Daddy's Home 2, he's like talking shit about feminists. Like he's just straight up. He hasn't changed. Why? How are you not like prepped

to death by some publicist who's like look just talk about the fucking movie talk about how excited you are to work in a comedy you love mark walberg blah blah blah get the fuck do not talk don't address any issue if someone says like how do you feel about the politics just say like yeah just fart and be like right in his playboy interview he goes i had a female business partner once didn't work clay boy goes why not and he goes she was a c word uh using the word next tuesday see you next tuesday playboy uh there it is it's not a bad word in australia right that was like a first day of uh new york city City rugby team what got in the huddle and the B team captain he's just like

says alright we're gonna get out there we're gonna smash these cunts these fucking cunts and he just says it so many times I was so taken aback and someone was like yeah Aussies say it like way more oh okay okay so I don't know this will be interesting but it'll also be interesting

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And we're back. So we wanted to talk a little bit for our sort of middle section about the history of the NRA. We've talked about the NRA in the past couple of days after the mass shooting in Texas. And, you know, people talk about them in the aftermath of mass shootings a lot because they, you know, they have this pattern where they just kind of stay out of the headlines for a little while they just don't comment on anything right for a little while they might even come out and say yeah we're for responsible you know laws about like uh outlawing bump stocks was the thing after the vegas shooting and then nothing happened well no and then they reversed that and we're like nah nah don't fuck with our bump stocks after after like the slightest slightest concession would be like we're gonna make something that is an aftermarket mod illegal right yeah that we don't even sell we're not

even made and then they're like and no also they how do they have sorry you keep going jack how do they have us by the balls that much? That's what we're trying to figure out. That's what we're trying to figure out. So they started out in 1871 after two Union officers from the Civil War were like, we fucking suck at shooting. We apparently, the Union side, for every one successful shot that they took, had shot 1,000 bullets. So they were one for 1,000 in the Civil War. I don't think there's anything with odds that bad. No, no, that's really fucking bad,

especially because the big difference in the Civil War, the reason the Civil War was so deadly was because they had much better weaponry. They had rifles that could shoot straight. And you just lined up and you're like, all right, blast. So they had better weaponry, but the generals were still used to running people at each other. And so that's why so many people died.

And it was the same country on both sides. You double the body count pretty quick. Also, most of the people who died in the Civil War died of diarrhea, essentially, essentially dysentery. Yeah. But so these two Union soldiers were like, we should create a club to help educate the next generation on being marksmen and, you know, hunting and recreational target shooting. shooting uh so they tried to you know make shooting a more popular pastime uh and then a bunch of presidents got shot uh lincoln garfield mckinley uh and an attempt on teddy roosevelt he got shot in the chest and then proceeded to give a like 45 minute speech with a bullet in his chest uh but uh good old days right when they were men um but so the nra at

that point actually worked with the federal government on a lot of gun restrictions uh trying to you know keep guns out of the hands of ex-cons and the mentally ill uh they supported state permit requirements for concealed carry um and when there were a bunch of crimes in the 30s, they helped FDR kind of pass a bunch of gun control laws or like include gun control laws in the New Deal. The then president of the NRA testified before Congress and said, quote, I have never believed in the general practice of carrying weapons. I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses. So what the fuck happened?

Things have changed a bit. And we were completely in the antithetical reality. Right. So whenever the government has tightened restrictions on guns, the NRA has helped support and enforce those restrictions, including there were bills introduced in response to the JFK assassination. And after Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy were killed, they kept tightening guns. And then this asshole comes along named Harlan Carter. comes along named harlan carter uh so this guy when he was uh he was like a shooting champion when he was a 17 year old uh his mother got scared uh three mexicans were hanging around his uh neighborhood and they scared his mom because she thought they had stolen the family's

car three weeks earlier uh so this dude as a 17 17-year-old, goes to find the three Mexican kids who are younger than him, and he brings a shotgun. And one of the kids is presumably scared that this stranger is pointing a shotgun at him, pulls out a knife, and he immediately shoots that kid dead, He immediately shoots that kid dead, dies immediately, and a court finds him guilty of murder. He tries to claim self-defense, and the judge is like, nah, you just straight up. That's not how self-defense works. And he was sentenced to three years in prison, but a higher court voided the conviction, presumably because he was a good old boy. I'm sure I'm sure it would have happened exactly the same way if the Mexican kid had shot him.

I'm sure that kid would not still be in jail. So, yeah, just like a day. Got to bring a knife to a gunfight. Where the line came from. Just like all it's gone to a knife. He and that's part of line came from. Just like all of them. They're gone to a knife hole. And that's part of his, like, originary myth, too. Like, a lot of people think of that,

like, they hold him in high respect because they're like, yeah, man, he stood his ground. Yeah. And, like, I think, yeah, that's the beginning of, like, the toxic fall, right? Right. So his theory on guns was

you don't stop crime by attacking guns. You stop crime by stopping criminals, which is basically the early version of you need good guys with guns to stop bad guys with guns. He was just way more radical than the rest of the NRA to the point that they tried to, like, cripple his wing by firing a bunch of the employees. But then he, like, had this hostile takeover. But then he like had this hostile takeover. And, you wasn't an accident that that kid was Mexican. It wasn't an accident that his mom immediately thought it was three Mexican kids that stole the car. They lived down the block. Right.

He started the, quote, biggest drive against illegal aliens in history, calling it Operation Wetback in 1954. So, cool, dude. What was that about? Right. So he said he wanted the NRA to be so strong and so dedicated that no politician in America mindful of his political career would want to challenge their goals. And their goals were basically to oppose anything having to do with gun laws or gun control laws. Anything having to do with gun laws or gun control laws. And the court basically in 2008, they had this big victory because Antonin Scalia, who was appointed by Reagan.

And a class act. Right. One of our favorite Supreme Court justices. Basically legitimized the long held NRA belief that the Second Amendment was the right to bear arms and that that law extended to individuals and not only to a well-regulated militia. Exactly. Because that's what the founding fathers were actually thinking of when they created the law. But so, yeah, their own history proves that you can be both pro-gun and pro-gun control.

I think the status three out of 10 American adults own guns, but only 19 percent of those are NRA members. And when you look at those two, even though they would outwardly appear to be similar, NRA members tend to own more guns on average. They're more likely to describe their political views as Republican or, quote, very conservative and go shooting and hunting more frequently than other gun owners. And they say that owning a gun is, quote, very important to their overall identity. So I guess it's three out of 10 adults own guns, but only 19 percent of gun owners are NRA members. So it's not a very big portion of the gun owning population. It's only like five or six million members.

Right. But yeah, I think the strength of, you know, when people don't understand like why they're so powerful, they can mobilize this grassroots thing so quickly and just get these phones ringing in congressmen's offices. And that's what gives these people in office like the illusion of like, oh, this is very powerful. But they just have a group of many dedicated people, lobbyists and grassroots people to put a lot of pressure on these.

Yeah. And also it's like a major part, like guns make America a lot of money. Right. Right. Like so. And if you're can get it's worth spending money on guns for these people because they're only going to make more money. Right. When we have to make half a million machine guns for American troops and then they don't we don't need them anymore. We get a new round of guns. Where do all those guns go? Right.

They just are sold to other people. Yeah. You want these guns? I'm not using them. We got AR-15s for cops now. Like, cool. Yeah. Like, I just? I'm not using them. We got AR-15s for cops now. Like, cool. Yeah. Like, I just watched The Professional with Natalie.

The Luc Besson classic. Yeah. So when we were talking about R. Kelly before, that was on my mind a little bit. But then also there's a scene when they go to finally get Leon at the end of the movie. These soldiers come in. They're the DEA. And they're, like, sort of crooked. But they all have ski masks and

like tactical gear and like giant guns long guns and all that i'm like that's who's at like the mall now right right this is like this this movie is like you know it's like in the 90s in new york and you're like this is intense this is what they're sending for assassins now those dudes are just fucking everywhere and that's terrifying terrifying. You should be able to see a cop's face. A cop's face should not be hidden. If they get to have a big gun, you should be able to at least look them in the eye and see that they are not

losing their mind or getting irrationally angry, or if they do open fire on someone, you could be like, it was that cop. They shouldn't look like bad guys from G.I. Joe. Right. It's, yeah, it's true when you really do think about it.

Because when you see a lot of those rallies, too, when people are doing open carry, it's exactly that. And I almost feel like you shouldn't be able to open carry and have your face obscured, either. Right. I feel like, hey, come on over to the other. You should be able to open carry and be dressed in any sort of military garb. One or the other. You should be able to open carry and be dressed in any sort of military garb, because then you're like, are you U.S. military, or are you a fucking oath keeper coming in from your fucking shack?

I mean, some states you can't even have fucking open beer on the fucking street. And these motherfuckers walking around like just a full-on machine gun. Right. What am I supposed to say to my children about those two men kissing? I don't know. What do you tell them when a fucking guy with a machine gun walks in the subway right yeah the restaurant yeah and restaurant wow interesting label yeah well you know sit down restaurant i go for my anniversary exactly okay yeah but i think it's the different like the nra used to be a you know a group that advocated for gun owner rights and now they are like you're saying john for basically gun manufacturers and they want to do whatever's in the interest of gun manufacturers so that

includes you know scaring the shit out of people who uh you know buy thousands of guns and like have basements stocked full of weapons you know that's why i thought obama had them all now right yeah exactly wait he didn't end up coming i can't believe after eight years some of these gun nuts aren't like i don't think he's getting them i don't think anyone's going to take them. Right. But the genius thing that they've done is after because like gun sales shot through the roof when Obama was elected and after he was out of office, they were like, well, how the fuck are we are all basically like militarizing the you know resistance to trump and like the protesters and stuff yeah they're like antifuzz punching people in the face you need a machine gun yeah like how will you fight their super soldiers right by super soldiers talking about like angry guys who like radio head right you know it's like

they're not doing this shit. Those fucking NRA videos are I think... They're wild. I think we're going to get to hopefully the year 2100 and look back on those NRA videos and be like, that was truly criminal. That shit is

stirring discontent for the sole purpose to make money. Yeah, absolutely. That's insane. It reminds me of the movie Scrooged when Bill Murray is pitching. He's showing the promo for their holiday special. And the promo is like, if you miss this, you will die. And a nuclear bomb lands on a woman's house and it blows up. And they're like, sir, they're getting a lot of complaints about it. And it's like the joke is out.

And then this is what it's like. They literally say like, and it's like such coded language, of course, there's like racial joke is out and then this is what it's like they literally say like and it's like such coded language of course there's like racial coding and all this stuff but there's also like the images line up with like danger and it's like a picture of like five black guys protesting or whatever right it's like it's fun it's wild and they're yeah they're basically like just half-heartedly promoting like armed conflict among people. Among Americans. Among Americans. Versus Americans.

Yeah. Right. Yeah. And essentially, you know, making it seem like people who protest Trump are like an enemy. Yeah. Or violent. Right.

Right. That we're terrorists. Right. Yeah. They're telling that to people who have guns. Yeah. And journal. Like, I know you're stoking a fucking group of people who have not

been background checked before they purchase these guns right we don't know what their mental health issues are and then they're watching like i think of that fucking i'm just referencing every piece of pop culture i've consumed in the last 10 years but the slender man documentary when they're like um and she was just watching youtube videos and they show like a sizzle reel of what she was watching and it's all like mostly innocuous. But to cut together, it's like the fucking ring video. This would twist someone's belief system in an instant. And then you're like, you're a fucking sort of on edge person who has, you know, maybe some sort of personality disorder or some sort of mental health issues.

You own a couple of guns. Then you watch a video where someone says this person's out to get you. You know what I mean? Like fucking people showed up to Comet Pizza or whatever with a gun. Yeah, to save them kids. Right. Yeah, they're all gassed up off these conspiracy theories. It's fucking, it's so upsetting.

That was the tragedy of even the shooting in the church. Like immediately people were trying to spin that as like the November 4th Antifa revolution that they were trying to kick off and trying to tie this guy. Like that is so reckless. There was like 10 Google results, like right after that, either attached him as a liberal, as a Bernie guy, Bernie supporter. Like, it's just like, how can we spin the thoughts and prayers? They were literally thinking and praying when it happened to them.

Well, and then it's, what's funny is like Fox news the next day, when like a lot of people on Twitter were like, you know, thoughts and prayers didn't help them. And they're like, how could they? Like that's what they were taking offense to? It's like, you know, we're people of faith. And how dare they? Like just trying to deflect from what the real conversation is.

And it's just disturbing. But the good thing is like Jeff Flake, Mr. Renegade Kamikaze Senator, because now he's not running for re-election, him and Martin Heinrich, senator from New Mexico, like they're actually writing, they're going to attempt to put forward a bill that will like close like the, I forget, I think it's the Lautenberg Amendment, which is what, you know, they were saying is the amendment that, you know, said that people who are convicted of domestic abuse, whatever, couldn't have guns. said that people who were convicted of domestic abuse, whatever, couldn't have guns. But what they're trying to do is like in that bill, the wording is very like there's like a boyfriend loophole because they define like domestic abuse is like your wife or like the mother of a child. So if you're just cohabitating, you're not married, you don't have kids and you and you beat on your partner. That was like that wouldn't get reported. Right.

And they're also trying to make sure because I think one of thes too, not like a goof is a horrible way to say that, but a huge oversight was the fact that the air force. Yeah. Like those old, those old sports tapes that yeah, the air force did not properly report, you know, his charge.

And they're really trying to do something about that. So it seems like, so like, you know, maybe they're going to do something, but again, we'll never know until we see who will actually come out and support this thing. And if the NRA is, again, going to intimidate.

I mean, it's got it's got to be the thing. I feel it's so hectic. He's saying, we're like, we're the only country who's dealing with it on such a scale. Yeah. And then every single fucking counter argument from the right is some version of like, it's like fighting with your significant other when they just change what the entire argument is about. They're like, well, what about Chicago? And it's like, no, no, no, I'm talking about Chicago.

We can get to that. Yeah, we'll get to Chicago. Chicago's the strictest gun laws in the country. Illinois, yeah, well, they are bordered by four states that don't. Indiana, they'll give you a gun for showing up. Yeah, if you have a Reggie Miller jersey, you get two free guns. You know who Rick Smith is. Yeah, the Duncan Judgment.

He went to Marist College. He's like the second most famous alumni. I'm the third most famous. Bill O'Reilly. Yeah, we got to rep. I got to swing this. I think you can leapfrog Smith into that number one spot. But every counter-argument is like, it's a mental health issue and it's like okay so

then why not have that mental health thing in a gun bill yeah you know what i mean like the one that trump rolled back that obama tried to enforce right and that is something that happened right there was a mental health law about gun ownership there was and again it was rolled back it was like one of the first things trump did in february when he took office was like roll this thing back and only because it had obama's name on it of course exactly uh and then there's fucking like you can be on the no fly list and still buy guns like it just feels insane and then like the truck shit will happen and someone will be like we're gonna outlaw trucks yeah we're gonna outlaw trucks it's like he killed nine people on a busy in downtown Manhattan with a truck.

This guy killed 26. He killed like 6% of a population of a town. Yeah. And only because it wasn't that many people. There was the only reason it's 26. Right. Right. And so their fucking counter arguments on that make no sense.

Well, if everyone had guns in New York, they could have stopped that driver. It's like the last thing I want. I feel safe. It's like every fucking dad pulling out a, I feel safe, is like every fucking Park Slope dad pulling out a pistol and firing at a moving truck. God help you, you're the guy who's trying to move a moving truck, and you don't think you're in reverse, and you're in drive, and you

accidentally drive forward onto a sidewalk a little, and then five people shoot you, and you're like, it was an accident. I wouldn't even trust a group of elite soldiers to open fire in a densely populated area on a car. Also, this is in GTA, my man. Like, you're not going to blow the car up because you shoot it enough times. Now, one of my favorite things in the world are action movies.

Like, I'm obsessed with them. Seagal, Chuck Norris, all these people who end up being monsters, scumbags, whatever. I didn't realize how much the culture of these movies permeated the culture of modern society. Like, these movies are all good guys with guns. Right. And I think that's what everyone believes themselves to be. Like, all these, like, gun nuts believe themselves to be the person who's like, when my house is surrounded by the purge and they want to rape and kill my family, I'm ready for them.

Right. You know? And that, to me, is like, why don't we nip what's going to cause the purge in the bud? Right. Well, because they want that. They want the ability to kill people. That's why people love fucking zombie movies. Because in a zombie movie, you can kill humans.

That aren't human. That aren't human. Yeah, exactly. So you can just fucking shoot them. And it's like, oh, imagine if I wish there were zombies so I could just open fire on people. That's all I'm waiting for. It's fucking insane. But that's why you, anytime there's a home invasion where the person whose home it is,

like, shoots the person invading, like, that shit will be blasted out there in all the gun magazines, every, like, Fox News outlet. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And then, but every time someone fucking, a toddler blows their fucking hand off in their parents' gun safe, like that shit is never anywhere. Yeah, and a lot of them are marketed towards defense, aren't they? Like a lot of gun magazines too, like they take an angle of like you need these guns for defense.

It's never like, hey, you like hunting or like target shooting or whatever. It's like, man, when they – Stopping power. Yeah. They love to bring up. Yeah, right. Like who the fuck are you trying to stop? That's why there should be shotguns.

If you want to protect your house, just buy a fucking shotgun. It's not something you can fucking stand up in a tower and take out a hundred people with, but it is something that even an idiot wouldn't miss with that point blank. And just get buckshot. You know what I mean? You don't even have to aim.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. All right, we're going to run through a few quick stories here on our way out. The Paradise Papers is an ongoing story. Basically, all of the extremely, extremely wealthy people are awful people people who are hiding their money, finding ways to hide their money. It's just I think the person who released the Panama Papers said that, you know, this is the story of inequality in our time. And, you know, this is basically chapter two of that story. And it's insane.

Our producer, Nick Stumpf, was saying that this kind of puts further lie to the idea of merit being at the root of wealth, whereas like this seems to indicate wealth is a self-feeding and extremely destructive form of like mental illness like uh yeah it is an addiction and you have to feed it right also this really you talk about like merit this really nips in the bud trickle down in any way too where it's like any counter argument you have to that is like well if you're not even if the money's not even being taxed by the american government like you want to lower your tax rates and you're not even getting all your money taxed i thought like i love this paradise paper shit first of all what a great fucking name catchy name it's like yes we're finding about offshore weird shit it's like

the firm it's like pelican brief they sound like something they consulted grisham on the before we leave this uh can you go through just kind of give us notes on this? Right. But doesn't the Queen of England have a bunch of money in there? Yeah, she's been hiding money. And it's like that money is not helping England, the country that is in her name. Do you believe some of their taxes still go to the fucking Queen? Like, how pissed would you be if they were just, like, funnel tax your tax dollars to some old lady who was just

like buying jewelry with it um yeah so i don't know uh this is going to be an ongoing story but yeah i i think that's a really good point i mean part of the whole rationale behind the republican tax reform is that america has some of the highest corporate taxes so we're going to go from 35 percent down to 20 on the corporate taxes it's still're going to go from 35% down to 20% on the corporate taxes. That's still going to be higher than zero, which is like how, what the only thing that will make these people happy. So yeah, I don't know. Let's move on to Taylor Swift, you guys.

She is suing people for writing articles. Or threatening to sue. Yeah. Threatening to sue people. Sending a cease and desist miles you you're uh our expert on the taylor swift yes you're a swifty i am a swifty call me swifty mcveigh shout out to uh d12 uh so taylor swift you know obviously most people you may or may not know the uh like nazis have embraced her because she's you know she looks

like an aryan goddess uh and she doesn't really speak out politically too much. So that's given enough ambiguity for not to say she's on our team. Right. She was like the one famous person who didn't come out and openly support Hillary Clinton in the last election. It seems like she's just has nothing to say about anything political or like what is wrong with the world. So, again, it's easy to when you have no opinion appear like you support whatever the fuck you want them right and you don't alienate anyone yeah exactly i keep going yeah so so she uh someone i forget what the website was it well so the daily stormer is writing about her right yeah the daily stormer so someone uh

someone interviewed someone from the day of storm and they're like oh so what do you think about taylor swift he's like well look you know she's she's definitely a nazi she's just waiting for donald trump to create like this is a sort of a summation of what this quote was but something to the effect of like she's waiting for donald trump to create the right environment for her to come out and announce her air like her arian plan or something like that it's like okay nazi website yeah and so Not to be confused with websites. Which are now Nazi websites. Not to be confused with Twitter.com.

So an editor at Popfront, this website, wrote like, you know, an opinion piece on how, you know, Taylor Swift is kind of problematic and that she needs to come out and publicly address this and say, look, straight up. I am not. I'm no way a Nazi. I don't want anyone thinking i have anything to do with you i denounce all this shit uh and then all but then she was also kind of making uh sort of she was suggesting that things in her video were sort of proving this point that she may actually be a nazi she's she's she's hiding language to secretly communicate with them so sure you know whatever i don't i'm not really on that stretch yeah that's a stretch i'm i definitely do believe yo if the nazis are like yo your team hitler they're definitely seeing that

shit then you need to come out and they're not a big enough market that you're going to go platinum selling to only nazis right you'll say your best bet is to just distance yourself from them and the second you say like nazis don't buy my fucking album, I think maybe POCs would swing back in a Taylor Swift direction. Get some new fans who don't like Nazis. Right. Exactly. So she wrote this piece. Then suddenly she got hit with a cease and desist letter from Taylor Swift's lawyers basically saying you're lying about her and misleading or whatever.

But keep in mind, this isn't reporting. This is just someone's opinion. And you're getting hit with a cease and desist for having an opinion, which is a very slippery slope here. Like, again, maybe Taylor Swift does realize it's Trump's America and you can just try and, like, shut people down for having opinions. Whatever. Who knows? But then, like, the ACLU got involved in, like, kind of schooling people. Like, hey, you know this is not on the level in any way.

Like her trying to hit her with a season. This is like this is someone's opinion. Like, so what are you going to go through Twitter to? Man, I'm starting to think that maybe she does have some sympathies to to the Nazi cause, because like at first I was like, oh, she's just like doing the you know, she's all about making money and like having corporate sponsors and stuff but now she's at a point where her continued like uh insistence on not distancing herself from nazis is like the difficult thing to do like that's it's crazy that you have to come out and say you're anti-nazi in 2017 like but it's not a given anymore, but you do. Someone pointed out one time to me, someone said the phrase, oh, if you're trying to say like, I don't really get into politics, I don't really care about politics.

What you're saying is I'm privileged enough that current political climate doesn't affect me. Right. And that's like an insane way, like rephrasing it like that of just like, of course, Taylor Swift is like, well, I don't want to get political. It's like, of course, you don't have to get political. You're a billionaire. You're going gonna be fine in perpetuity yeah and you you've been in that position since you were born because your dad was like started a hedge fund right like a fucking millionaire so uh so again i mean i don't you know

i i think she needs to say something you gotta say something i don't know if she's like trying to like you know dog whistle the nazis or anything like that with her videos, but her videos suck anyway. She's stealing Nicki Minaj's flow in that last song. Whatever. Taylor, get your act together. It's not hard to say, I don't fuck with Nazis. It's not controversial.

And then in the season desist letter, they try to say, and let this letter stand as another public rebuke that Taylor does not do. It's like, yo, it's not enough. No one is, she's not tweeting that letter out. She needs to show her face and make a statement. So, hey. Yeah, I mean, it looks like Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, and Beyonce who have stated against, they seem to be doing financially okay as well.

So I don't think Taylor is going to go down. And again, she must on some level feel that it is going to alienate people. And I guess that's more troubling because if you're worried that you're alienating people with dated, ignorant, racist viewpoints. Is she country adjacent, though, with her pop in the genre? I don't really listen to that. I guess she was originally, so maybe she feels like her bass is that, but still. But I think with Shake It Off, that brought in a whole, that made her, I mean, I'm not a Taylor Swift historian.

People are probably going to tweet and be like, that was not a real first song, whatever. But yeah, she's straight up pop now. I mean, she's like rapping, basically. Right. So, come on. I mean, she's alienating her bass with that fucking music. Yeah. She's a rapping Nazi.

Who knows? I don't know. I'm not saying that. Hey, don't comfort me, Taylor. And finally, three UCLA basketball players were arrested in China for shoplifting from, I forget what store. Louis Vuitton. Louis Vuitton.

Louis Vuitton. Oh, wow. Look at you. The fancy people pronounce it. Louis Vuitton. Oh, wow. Look at you. The fancy people. Welcome, John, to the international show. Yeah, so I don't know. Yeah, so LiAngelo Ball, the middle brother of the three Ball brothers. Right.

The offspring of the demon LeVar Ball. Ball is life. Yeah, Ball is life. BBB. The kids who can't wear Nikes because their dad makes them wear their own off-brand shit. Yeah, they were touring China, and him and three other players tried to shoplift. He's facing, possibly, if convicted, three to ten years in Chinese prison, which I feel bad. It affects your ball game a little bit.

A lot, yeah. Let me tell you, the quality of basketball in those Chinese prisons is not what you think. It's not like out here. It's not like prisons from movies. Yeah, exactly. It tell you, the quality of basketball in those Chinese prisons is not what you think. It's not like out here. It's not like prisons from movies. Yeah, exactly. It's like Midnight Express. They put people to death for selling drugs or even having them, I think. Yeah, it's a tough—you do not want to be caught shoplifting out there.

Although, again, I just feel bad that I do not like LeVar Ball so much that I'm somehow trying to be like, yeah, he should probably go to jail. In my head, I'm picturing the dad going, hey, grab me a couple of Louis Vuitton bags. I feel like the dad is just ruining his kid's life to such an aggressive degree. He's like, hey, while you're there, they don't even give a fuck about shoplifting. Grab me some shit. And again, if you're not a sports fan, let me just tell you why LaVar Ball is just an idiot. First of all, he has three sons that are pretty good at basketball. We'll see how they pan out.

Lonzo was the No. 2 draft pick in the NBA last year. Yeah, out of UCLA. One of the great point guards for playing last year. So he basically tried to get shoe deals because that's what you do when you go to the league. You try and shop around and get a huge mega-million-dollar shoe deal. get like shoe deals because that's what you do when you go to the league you try and shop around get like a huge mega million dollar shoe deal and he basically got shut down by like adidas nike under armor all the big companies because he was going around being like look i don't want your deal you pay me one billion dollars right now and you get all three of my kids like he was trying to

push this like deal that is just it doesn't work and it just shows that he's so out of touch and arrogant that he thinks he can do that. That's why I'm like, yo, LeVar, fall back. But your kid's a shitty stage dad, basically. He's the worst. Yeah, he's a momager. Exactly. And then he's trying to have beef with Magic Johnson.

That's a no-no. Not in this city. Not with me. Don't fuck with Magic. Don't fuck with Magic. All right. That's all the time we have. John, thank you so much for joining us. Guys, thanks for having me oh yeah this was exciting this is the most serious i've ever been on a podcast

i think i appreciate it yeah and this has been one of our most laughy podcasts yeah well we can laugh ourselves through the nra yeah so where can people uh follow you i'm at john gabrus on twitter joe i've been trying to get at Gabrus. This person has had it for seven years and has never fucking tweeted once. The laws are shitty like that. Yeah. Because you can't just there's no way to be like if you're squatting on it and not doing anything, you can get it back. Like you have

to prove that like they stole your like your identity to get it. Yeah, it's kind of obnoxious. And I'm at Gabrus Picks on Instagram and you can listen to any one of my podcasts Raised by TV, High and and mighty or action boys find it wherever you find podcasts so raised by tv is you and lauren lapkus talking about tv yes uh and it's so good it's it's already obnoxious like we just we just rant and ramble about television the episodes go all over the place we have like a sketch comedy episode an animated episode episode, commercials and snacks.

We did an episode where we do a fantasy family draft where we draft a sitcom dad, a sitcom mom. Oh, that's amazing. It's really fun. If you are anywhere in between the ages of like 25 and 45, you'll probably know most of the references. Oh, I'm there. It just came out, right?

It just dropped today? Yeah. First episode? Yeah, yeah. Oh, nice. The first episode just came out today. Today or, yeah, I guess same day. Because this is Wednesday.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. We don't lie anymore. Yeah, we used to lie. We used to lie. Sorry, fans. Shit, you had to change, you know? Yeah, yeah.

Someone's got to bring truth in this current climate. Current climate, by the way, should be the fucking, my tattoo, I've said it like 15 times today. In this current climate. In this current climate. I'm like afraid to, I got to couch everything with like, so, as you know, the world is fucked in this current climate. But what about pumpkin spice lattes?

Miles, where in this current climate can people follow you? In this current climate, you can find me. I'm going to be checking out John's podcast and also check me on Twitter and Instagram at milesofgray. M-I-L-E-S-O-F-G-R-A-Y. You can follow me at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can follow us at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page, The Daily Zeitgeist. And we are on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist.

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