The Daily Zeitgeist - Why We All Watch With Subtitles, Man Problems 02.01.23

Episode Date: February 1, 2023

In episode 1413, Jack and guest co-host Jody Avirgan of Good Sport are joined by poet, podcaster, and host of American Hysteria, Chelsey Weber-Smith, to discuss… What’s The Matter With Men? Covid is No Longer an Emergency According to the White House, Subtitles Aren’t a Wacky Gen Z Trend... They’re a Necessity and more! What’s The Matter With Men? Covid is No Longer an Emergency According to the White House Covid-19 is a leading cause of death for children in the US, despite relatively low mortality rate Biden to End Covid National Emergencies in May What is Title 42 -- the Trump-era immigration order at the US-Mexico border? Biden expands Title 42 expulsions while opening legal path for some migrants Biden’s ‘carrot and stick’ approach to deter migrants met with anger Subtitles Aren’t a Wacky Gen Z Trend... They’re a Necessity Gen Z More Likely to Use Captions When Viewing Video Content Young people watch TV with subtitles more than older viewers, survey says Why do younger generations love subtitles? Survey: Why America is obsessed with subtitles Here's Why Movie Dialogue Has Gotten More Difficult To Understand (And Three Ways To Fix It) Why You Can't Hear What Actors Are Saying On Tv and How To Fix Your Audio Check out the Men's Rights episode of American Hysteria! LISTEN: Red Clay by Charlotte Dos SantosSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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a production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It's Wednesday, February 1st, 2023. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Potatoes O'Brien, a.k.a. O'Brien, O'Brien. Like the Entourage theme song. It's kind of hard to convey without the guitar fuzz, but that's what I was going for. And I'm thrilled to be joined by a very special guest co-host who hosts the podcast this day in esoteric political history from Radiotopia and a new show called Good Sport from Ted and Pushkin launching next week. It's coming complete with a launch party that he'll tell you all about. You may have heard him hosting 30 for 30 for ESPN, the 538

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I thought you were doing the O-O-O-O-Riley thing. Yeah, I've done that one before. I might have done the Entourage one before. this for hire i can be your hype man i thought you were doing the oh oh oh o'reilly thing yeah i've done that one before i might have done the entourage one season 273 you figure you know going back to the well a little bit that's right well jody we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by one of the favorite guests on tdz a poet a podcaster who you can hear on the American Hysteria podcast exploring the fantastical thinking and irrational fears of Americans through the lens of moral panics, urban legends, and conspiracy theories. Please welcome the brilliant and talented Chelsea Weber-Smith! Always thrilled to be here. Thank you so much. Very enthusiastic intros, as Jodi said.

Yes. I'm enthused to have you guys here. I you so much. Very enthusiastic intros, as Jody said. Yes. I'm enthused to have you guys here. I don't think I've said enthused since the 90s, but Chelsea, you have the same instinct I have. When you get an introduction that enthusiastic, you actually go in the other direction. And I'm like, oh. Yeah, I like close

the clam shell. Don't look at me. That's the intent. So it's just more energy, more room for me to take up in the podcast. That's why I go so big, just to set the tone so everybody knows this is my house. This is Daddy Eats First, is what I like to say off mic. No, I don't say that. How are you guys doing? Doing good. I got a little cold, so I sound like a little baby. Me too. Other than that, it's all right.

Yeah. I'm coming off of like four full days of not being sick or not having anyone in my family sick. Wow. That's just remarkable. Yeah. I don't know when the last time. It's like DiMaggio's hit streak. Yeah, exactly.

That's unheard. Well, it has been X days since someone in this house has had RSV or COVID. You know, we're about to flip the sign, but yeah. Yeah. I'm living that NNS life, that never not sick life in this household. It's a pleasure. Always. But all right.

Well, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment, Chelsea. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about. There's a big New Yorker article on the subject of what's the matter with men? And, you know, when I first hear that question, I start getting a little worried that it's going to be, you know, that men are being held down by this new civilizational shift to the left. And there is some acknowledgement of that, but I don't know. It seems like an interesting article. I thought I'd bring it up. It raises some interesting ideas. We're going to talk about the Biden administration's pivot to the middle. We were told

this was coming after, you know, the explanation was that during the 2022 midterms, there was evidence that voters rejected extremes on both sides of the aisle, which they just took, you know, people's rejection of far right conspiracy theories and were like, and they probably hate the left too. So we're going to talk about what that is looking like in terms of actual policy from the Biden administration. We're going to talk subtitles. When you consume content, streaming content, do you subtitle, Chelsea, Jodi? Oh, absolutely. Always. Always. Yeah. But I have so many questions about why. Not really even sure why, but yeah, for sure. It happens. Yeah. So all of that, plenty more. But first, Chelsea, we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history?

You know, this is my favorite part, right? So we've got... My favorite part when you are on. I love your search history. So right now, my best one is Jack Chick Closet Witches tape. I feel like Jack, you know Jack Chick, Chick Tracks, do you not? Yeah, I do. I am aware of Chick Tracks. Yes. So that's the next series that we're working on at American Hysteria. Yeah, I do. I the sins of the world. And they're very dramatic. Demons, Satanists, homosexual agenda, Catholic conspiracies, the whole thing. And I feel like most people have come in contact with this in some way. So we're trying to get

really deep into this. So I was curious if either of you guys wanted to say anything about like jody do you know what chick tracks are is this familiar to you i'm actually not i mean as you describe it i have a sense but i'm doing some furious googling yeah furiously google well he's like the most read indie comic artist of all time right so he's got this weird support but it's like they you know you hate his message but you can't help but be like, I love this comic because it's just the best outsider art. And he's also the most widely published theologian ever, you know, because there's about a billion of these out in circulation all over the world. were trying to really get into both who he was but also he had these three influences who were like these these secret agents that would deliver jack chick information and they were one of them was an illuminati high priest who was also a druid witch and he kind of provided him with all that satanic panic information that we love he had dr rebecca brown

and elaine and all it was her story was that she was a doctor at this hospital that was infiltrated by witches and she was doing exorcisms but it all turned out that she was kind of doing this because she was really addicted to demerol and uh then you know we had his so he was paying and that's that's why no that's the thing is that it was an honest it was kind of an honest uh thing he was doing he wasn't actually becoming rich so yeah he was he wasn't really paying anyone these were people who were stan lee of the christian world exactly so yeah he was he wasn't really paying anyone these were people who yeah the stan lee of the christian world exactly so yeah not really paying people right it's it's you know it's different than your uh jerry falwell's in a way because it's like well at least you're doing something

you believe in i don't know but uh yeah we're're just really going to try to dive deep because those tracks were like huge in the Satanic Panic and huge in the Illuminati conspiracy. What was the peak Chick Tracks era? They started in the 60s and then he died in 2016. They're still going, but of course they've lost their special touch. I will tell you, I'm on the wikipedia page here learning from you as you talk and also as i scan and i did a control f for for something and i was shocked that it didn't come up i did i control f john birch society and it's not there but you know that that was the sort of where my head went and that's great that's great except that jack chick

condemned the uh johnch Society. Really? So I guess we'll give him that. He just hated everyone. Yeah. And I also will say his grand conspiracy was not Jewish people taking over the world. It was the Catholic Church. So I don't know. Old school.

Old school, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's great. You know, it's funny, Chelsea, you covered this on your show and on our show, too. You know, we do we talk about kind of all sorts of different moments from from history. And we just had an episode where we kind of we hit like 400 episodes of our show because we do it three times a week. But we talked about kind of big themes that had emerged over just the many, many stories in American history we covered. just the many, many stories in American history we covered.

And a lot of them were usual, but I had not really gotten my head around and actually doing this show really taught me how anti-Catholicism is just over and over and over. You scratch on a moment in American history and it is just an underlying theme. Which makes sense. And it mingles with, yeah, it makes sense, but, you know, and it just mingles

with every other kind of like paranoia du jour, but that it is always one of the ingredients. Are you saying it makes sense because we're the worst Catholics? Yes, and I would say it makes sense because... It makes sense. They're annoying and their church is very strange. Yeah, and America was founded on anti-Catholicism, essentially. So it makes sense that that would be our go-to conspiracy. Yeah, I don't know.

It's refreshing in a way. Sorry, Catholics out there, but it's different than the Jewish conspiracy that we usually hear from like the John Birch Society. Please bring back anti-Catholicism. Oh, it's there. That's not what I'm saying. Yeah.

What is something you think is overrated? Catholics. You guys are horror movie people right catholics yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean i'm not like a huge horror movie person because i don't have that many people to watch them with but when i watch a good one i enjoy it oh that's sad um well i'm thinking did you guys hear about Skinnamarink, the horror movie? I've seen it start to bubble. I'm aware of the hype. Yeah, the hype, for me personally, didn't. I saw it at a mall movie theater, and it's one of those movies where if you watched it on YouTube

in the middle of the night, you stumbled upon it. It would be really good but uh yeah it was a hundred and something minutes of uh very very very slow uh completely on like on the just plotless content i respect it but i just feel like i will say 15 grand budget for a horror movie that made a wide release you gotta respect it but uh it's no blair Witch Project in my opinion right remember was it New York Mag who used to have this little feature maybe they still do that there was like showed the like back no not the matrix it was this like undulating curve of like hype backlash backlash you know and I feel like you can plot that I'm seeing that sort of ride that roller

coaster a little bit but you're right about about the only thing I've seen other than the fact that it's in wide release after being such a small budget is that people are like, yeah, it really vividly recreates the slow, subtle terror of being a kid alone in your room, which for some people, I think it's like, that's incredibly powerful. But for other people, like that might not be the best content for a movie. Yeah, absolutely. And it is super, super subtle. It is very subtle. And it does give you like this feeling of when you're going back into your memories and you're, it's like kind of all these images and sounds and you can't really pull a narrative out of it and you try and try, and you can't really pull a narrative out of it and you try and try, but you can't. And for that reason, I think it was very cool.

I just could not bear it in a movie theater with other people in there who, just normal people who are like, let's go see the new horror movie. It is just, I could tell that everyone just felt so uncomfortable there. So like truly plotless. There's a plot, but I would say pretty plotless, yeah.

Got it. More impressionistic, like an impression, you know. Well, I mean, the reason I don't get to watch horror movies is because I'm a four and a six-year-old. And, you know, the movie time generally is a lot of Disney things. But it sounds like this one is actually kind of appropriate for them. So I'll definitely make sure that we kind of sit down as a family and take this in. Wait, can I tell your story that might get cut? But it's worth telling.

I was talking to a friend of mine who has a kid in third grade and was telling me that around last fall, around Halloween, there was a sub in one of the, for the third grade class. And, you know, teacher was out six, sub came in and it was on a Friday. And then that weekend, all the parents in the school in the third grade started to like text each other and be like, is your kid off? Like, is your kid off? What's going on? Like, you know, my kid, my kid couldn't sleep last night my kid was like just sort of talking about some weird stuff that happened at school and so they start piecing together what happened at school on that friday and it turns out that the substitute teacher showed a third grade class the movie the conjuring four which is just like a straight up horror film like it's just the conjuring and and like all the kids were traumatized like completely traumatized and um and the one and

the way they finally pieced the information together because mostly it was like kids who were just like refusing to talk about what happened in school couldn't sleep like terrorized but then there was like one kid who seemed to be completely unaffected and it was like kids who were just like refusing to talk about what happened in school couldn't sleep like terrorized but then there was like one kid who seemed to be completely unaffected and it was just like oh yeah you know the sub showed us the conjuring form we watched it's pretty cool which raises all sorts of questions about like why that kid wasn't traumatized but um just an incredible his first day ever as a substitute teacher decided to show a bunch of third grades the conjuring for all the parents seems like malicious intent that doesn't seem like there's any any version where they're like oh you know what this might be the one that reaches the kids i i i think the only only

possible explanation is that like substitute t-shirts show movies all the time it's like he logged into his netflix and it was like the first thing on there because he'd been watching it and And then he got steamrolled by the kids who were like, yeah, we want to watch that. And he's like, I don't know. It was literally his first day ever as a substitute teacher. And that was the movie he played. And presumably last. Presumably last. I got a theory for you.

Okay. So the Conjuring series is actually very, very Catholic, you know? So we're back on Catholic conspiracies. And it's very much like it's made by religious people, in fact. And so it's like maybe they were trying to get a little fear of God in those kids. And it probably worked. Brooklyn public schools. Yeah, you know, that's the kind of lesson we want to show you.

And I'm just saying, why would you show them four? I know. One through three. Oh, there's so many questions here so many questions here like that's not fair the best part was that you know there were a bunch of parents who were just like well that is weird and you know kept it moving and then a bunch of parents that got totally up in arms right marching to the principal's office and she's like what do you want me to do like i'm sorry it's not like in the guidebook

for for new teachers be like do not show a bunch of eight-year-olds a horror movie. She's like, I'm not going to hire that guy again. No rule says a dog can't play basketball. Sometimes that actually happens. There's a similar story where a coach played. It's not really similar, but it just reminded me of that because i found out about this morning it was a coach who an assistant coach who like subbed in in quotes for a player on a high school girls basketball team and you know my because the student was out of town like playing on a different team and like i guess the student is like one of their better players. And so my mind was like, Oh, maybe they needed like a fifth person to suit up. And they just like kind of sat to the back and then like show footage from

the game. And the coaches just like Billy Madison blocking the shots and like doing like take it to the rack and doing the and one like just like celebrations and it's similarly it's like you're telling that i'm like okay well where i will see what movie it is maybe it's like an honest maybe it's braveheart my teachers always showed that to me in high school for some reason but the conjuring four and then it's just blows past all that. Yeah, it is interesting. I would be interested to find out if it was a Catholic school. Get that teacher on the show.

Yeah. That's what I say. They've got time. Yeah. Chelsea, what is something you think is underrated? Well, as I was working on that this morning, I came up with my answer, and then I remembered that this was an answer I gave on another show with you guys in the past.

So I'm just going to do it again. And that is hacky sack. Yeah. Yeah, I know. I just like, I had a picked that this week. Haki sack is just making a major comeback.

Is it making a comeback? I have no idea. Okay. Well, that would be nice because I feel weird doing it. But I had my friend Sarah Marshall from You're Wrong About came up and just got into hacky-sacking with me for the first time in her life. And it was like, you know, she was saying that it felt like, you know, if you're working on hacky-sacking, you can kind of get into some shit when you're talking. And maybe that's how dudes just talk to each other in the 90s. They just hacked around and it just

gave them this opportunity to get kind of intimate. And I like that. And that transcends gender. I didn't finish that What's Wrong With Men article, but I'm pretty sure I've seen where it was headed. The kicker was that we just don't hacky-sack with each other. Men don't hacky-sack with one another enough. There's definitely something to that of like occupying your mind with some task that is sort of rote or, you know, something to, and like by distracting the conscious part of your mind, your unconscious is allowed to like kind of play a little bit. Absolutely. And have fun and have a good conversation.

I mean, I think about this with video games you know what people tend to think of as like so isolating or whatever you're staring at a screen but like you know you're with five other people and you're sort of have this running commentary and it's this sort of creates this like texture on which to have i think you know real conversations and bond and all those things so i don't know right yeah absolutely it's just the equivalent of like being being with your friends late like playing with the little cord on the phone you know up late yeah that's which is the sun's going down and you know you're like we've only got another 30 minutes to hack before the sun goes down that That's right. Hacky Sack was big in my middle school. My middle school was very heavy.

Is it still big in middle schools? Is it just that we don't hang around middle school? No, I do. I walked into that one. It's pretty, it's not as popular as I'd like it to be. You know, I try and get some circles going. And there are not a lot of takers these days.

And it can't be because I'm 42 years old. It's hard to get it going when you're legally, you know, have to be 250 feet away. That's right. Alright, let's take a quick break and we'll be right back to talk about What's the Matter

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So, I mean, it is hard to cover the subject without seeming like you're claiming cancel culture has changed the rules and it's too mean to boys or, you know, whatever. There's a lot of answers given to this kind of preemptively by the Fox News of the world and the right and Tucker Carlson. But, you know, my take on that would be that, like, culturally, we are seeing just the barest minimum start to fixing an imbalance and structural inequality that has been pervasive, like, for many, you know, across many human civilizations. And, you know, now that the thing, the interesting things that I don't think I fully understood the extent of is that in academic performance, both in the united states and in countries around the world we are seeing

boys underperform girls like drastically like in a way that is like not is not statistically like insignificant like you you can't there has to be something going on there. And they say it's like, both with advanced countries that still struggle with considerable sexism, such as South Korea, and in notably egalitarian countries like Sweden. American high school students in the top 10% of their freshman class were twice as likely to be female. In the United States, women are close to, or girls, you know, are close to outnumbering boys two to one in undergraduate and in colleges, whereas at the start of the 80s, it was more like one to one. So go ahead, Jody. No, yeah. Well, I mean, you know, I like this article and, you know, I know you have to write a headline to get people on the internet to pay attention. So, you know, whatever. I just tend to dismiss headlines and just actually look at what's going on there. But it feels like you started to

hint at two things that this article, I think, does a nice job of navigating, which is one is, you know, there's a problem with men in the sense that all the ways in which they've traditionally been allowed to behave are cultural norms are changing. And that's where it gets into cancel culture and, you know, all these other things. And that's, you know, for better, but it's fraught, you know, there's complications to explore there. And then there's this other thing which you described, which is, you know, men and boys are falling behind in lots of ways that we can start to measure and see. And I'm not sure if those are necessarily like related or part of the same conversation. Like just because we told Louis C.K. he can't behave a certain way doesn't necessarily mean that then like eighth grade

boys are worse at math. Right. And so I just want to sort of identify that there are lots of swirling and interconnected, but not necessarily causally related things going on with men. Yeah. And I think what's really important is to think about how now men's rights and women's rights are somehow diametrically opposed from each other. But originally during there was a men's rights movement. The original men's rights movement was very much pro equality, which meant men needed to sort of take that self inventory and until slowly they unwound into this sort of battle against each other, which is really sad because there's lots of reasons that we should look at the problems that men experience. That's not somehow anti-woman, right? It should be something that we're moving forward with consciously on both sides. And it's really a

bummer that it's become such a cesspool of horror. That's right. Chelsea, I mean, you know, that's, it makes me think of this article in the New Yorker as a review of a book. And, you know, the book is written by someone who tends, who comes from a background of studying inequality and a kind of like myth of opportunity, which I think is so related to all this, because I think to your point, like, when you set yourself up to define opportunity as a zero-sum game, which I think for a lot of men, but I think for a lot of Americans in general, is the way that we've seen it, then you lead to this sort of competitive notion of equality or, you know, gender, the

relationship between the genders. Whereas if you can kind of like start to rethink what it means to have opportunity or to succeed and think of it as more collaborative, then you maybe start to find some of the answers in the way that you're describing. But I just think it's like a really fascinating lens through which this person is taking on this question because it is so related to, you know, almost like most things in life, it's about like the disconnect between expectations and reality, right? And we set up the expectations to be that men get sort of, get it all handed to them on a

platter. Then you end up with that frustrating disconnect for a lot of men. Definitely. Yeah. I mean, there's one of the things that points out is that there's still a great deal of structural inequality. So, you know, we're seeing these differences in performance metrics, like at the educational level. But the C-suite is still, you know, largely male, even though it's moving in a more equal direction. But like there's still a pay gap. And it does make me wonder, like the structures of masculinity that we've created across cultures, like Chelsea, you talked about the original men's movement. And I know people like there seems to be a resurgent thing of like these like men's groups and and you know meetings that are

men's meetings that are designed to undo the the toxic like things that you were taught about what it means to be a man and like that seems to be the way to attack this and not going back to the unequal way. I talk about how when it comes to like white supremacy as well, like there is like the people who benefit from these structures that kind of encode and enforce inequality, like at some level they even recognize, like maybe it's not their conscious mind, but at some level they, I think that's where a lot of the anger and the self-hatred that like comes out as like outward hatred comes from is a recognition that like they're not superior, you know? out as like outward hatred comes from is a recognition that like they're not superior

you know right exactly they're benefiting from this narrative that is demonstrably not true and like that's where a lot of this like kind of conflict and violence comes from as well as the fact that you know some so many of the structures of masculinity that still like you know are still around like my kids just pick up an interest in guns and shit like that just through osmosis through like school books and stuff like it's violence is part of this structure that still hasn't been like rooted out so am i am i being naive though that i do feel like the it is changing the language around masculinity i don't know i just feels like for you know most of the people i know under the age of 25 i just kind of marvel if i'm being honest you know and

i run in certain circles or whatever but i just just feel like, you know, the level of sort of language and empathy and openness with emotions and, you know, ideas about what consent means, like it is so much more expansive than when I was growing up. And, you know, I would think I was like progressively minded and tried to behave in all the right ways, but I just didn't have that language, wasn't even handed that. The culture wasn't sort of really pointing me in the right ways, but I just didn't have that language. It wasn't even handed that. The culture wasn't sort of really pointing me in the right direction in a way that, I don't know, maybe I am being naive or overly hopeful, but it does feel like there has been some real shift around the way that young men talk about being young men that I find kind of hopeful. And I think that that's a good point because in our cultural moment, everything feels like the worst that it's ever been. But you just go back five years, 10 years, 15 years, 100 years, and there is a steady movement toward progress and undoing toxic qualities in all ways.

And I think we have to sometimes stop and value that we are making progress because it's so easy to see these individual things happen day by day. And I think in some ways things are getting worse than they were five years ago. But generally, by and by, we're kind of doing okay, which is hard to remember. You know this better than anyone, but there's always a backlash, right? Oh, yeah. And so that's the thing to guard against. I mean, there's always... It's a pendulum. Yeah. Yeah. I'm working on a series about Hollywood history. And in it, we do an episode about Errol Flynn, who was like an awful, awful person, you know, treated women terribly, was accused of raping people and, you know,

sort of like lived in a 30s and 40s era of very toxic masculinity. But then he like hung around for a long time. And, you know, in the 50s and 60s was like still kind of like hanging around and hadn't been quote unquote canceled in any sort of hateful way. But the thing that I realized from there was that like every generation of men can tell themselves that, you know, they're put upon and that they don't have it as good as the, as the boys from the, who were 10 years older, who could have, you know, were boys 10 years ago, boys could just be boys. And now we have to put, you know, deal with all this BS. And that's like, that's the most consistent thing is that men feel aggrieved and put upon. And then they just get to act however they want to act. Exactly. If you're a victim, then anything you do is retaliatory, right? You can do anything if you're a victim. Yeah. fragility to a lot of the structures of masculinity that men are kind of taught to just, yeah.

There's an interesting quote in the article when they talk about like a manifesto from the 30s and the author of the manifesto, Beauvoir, is it Jacqueline Beauvoir? But writing that the most mediocre of males feels himself a demigod as compared with women. And just that, like, to actually go around believing that on a day-to-day basis and be coming into contact with evidence that it wasn't true constantly like and then just having to double down like that it makes sense to me that there would be some damage some baggage from those structures that's that though i think is something has has genuinely changed in the last five eight years or so which is the appetite for mediocrity i think is no there. And people are just willing to call it out, see through it, you know, not accept it for themselves. You know, obviously, there will always be people who, especially white males, who fail up and kind of skirt by and slough off all the hard work. But I do really think that that has genuinely shifted in some meaningful way. I think it's definitely shifting, but I think at least part of what we're seeing with some of the struggles that we're seeing are echoes and past generations still being around

and educating. I think I'll just say really quick that if you guys are interested in this topic, we put our heart and soul into an episode called Men's Rights of American Hysteria. And it really looks at the whole movement of men's rights starting back in the 70s up until the modern day and try to take not an impartial look because we can't do that. But, you know, just really try to understand sort of the emotions and thinking behind that movement through the decades. We will link off to that in the footnotes, but that sounds wonderful. Also, you just did an episode about how high school students used to have to swim in the nude. Uh-huh. We did. Not really related to this subject, but...

Yeah, yeah. It was up until the 70s, many, many, many public high schools, boys swam naked. And that was just totally normal. And it has to do with hygiene, blah, blah, blah. But we actually interview Robin Washington, who's a reporter and someone who had to swim naked in high school. And he gave us the lowdown. And yeah, lawsuit city is what he calls it now. All right. Let's talk really briefly. So the Biden White House is going to let the coronavirus public health emergency expire in May. And so, you know, around 500 people a day are still dying of COVID. It's currently become a top 10 leading cause of death among children. And imagining this was a decision made in consultation with public health experts, but it seems at least the narrative that's being portrayed in the media is that it is being motivated by political maneuvering. The Republican House, I believe, was about to introduce a bill called the pandemic is over act uh which we don't name them like they used to pandemic is over act is there just going to be a fuck you joe biden act at some point like are they just going to go right there yeah and then he did it and they were like yeah well that's what we're going to say to do so it's good to see that he's taken our lead and there's just a bunch of pissing contests happening.

But one of the major changes that could come about as a result of ending the state of emergency would be the end terminating Title 42, the public health measure that has limited the inflow of migrants at the border. But of course, Republicans are in favor of keeping Title 42 restrictions and arguing Title 42 is not tied to the PHE. So I don't know. Biden, meanwhile, is attempting to controvers that look for a pivot to the center coming in the second half after the day after the midterms, we were like, wow, like, how are they going to cover or fail to cover the fact that, you know, Fetterman won and, you know, beat somebody who was like more of a mainstream Democratic candidate and like was kind of a big DNC hopeful and then and Conor Lamb and then defeated, you know, a very well-funded candidate that had the entire power of Trump and MAGA behind him. Like, how do they cover that without being like, it seems like there might be a genuine appetite for left of Democrat policies.

And they've just kind of, I don't know, they've kind of ignored it. But Chad, declaring that the pandemic has moved to a different phase should not be related to these conversations, right? It should not be a political act. It should not pull in all of these other things. I mean, there's plenty of other places you could point to the Biden administration and be like, well, I'm curious to see, you know, if we're going to see their true centrist instincts revealed here. But like, this is, you know, another we're going to see their true centrist instincts revealed here. But like, this is, you know, another example to me of just kind of like how much the well was poisoned, especially with the pandemic and politicized. And, you know, I mean, it's so strange to me that

every conversation about the pandemic doesn't start with the simple fact that like, Donald Trump was president when it first happened, and that cast a die that we're still living with and that everything is politicized as a result because this was a man who from the very beginning saw no other incentive but to politicize you know it's like day two the guy was like oh well if we just don't count the cases then there won't be any cases you know uh and it's like so and you know so then to like criticize or look for political positioning within decisions in the constant i mean it's just so we're just so far around the bend on making sensible reasonable decisions around around covid is like it is so dispiriting but like the pandemic is in a different place than it was a year ago, six

months ago. Like we know that, we see that. And so like I would be open to the idea that the pandemic emergency might be over. But we're just so lost at sea in terms of being able to really evaluate things like that without it completely getting screwed up in all the ways we're

describing. Yeah. I do feel like the timing is, I don't know, unfortunate. But yeah, we'll be keeping an eye on it to see how consistent this pivot to the center is. But yeah, I don't know. Hearing that that was their takeaway from the midterms was pretty frustrating to me. Well, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'll be curious to see how much, you know,

DeSantis is going to go all in or at least half in on like a bunch of sort of pandemic related grievance stuff. And I'm curious to see what the salience of that is. You know, I wonder if he's out there a year from now, just railing against masks, whether people are just going to be like, eh, like really? Like I'm not, I got angry about that in summer 2020, but like, I don't know just going to be like, eh, like, really? Like, I'm not, I got angry about that in summer 2020, but like, I don't know. I'll be curious. Yeah. We were talking about how, like, there isn't that much like content that really resonates with people about the pandemic

at this point. It doesn't, it seems like people are just like, yeah, we've, we're, we're moving along and don't want to talk about that anymore. I don't know if that will apply to them being still furious that they ever had to wear a mask in Publix or whatever. Yeah. But we'll see. All right, let's take a quick break, and we'll come back and talk subtitles. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series,

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iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. And we're back. And our writer, J.M., is pointing out this trend that I wasn't fully aware of. I thought we were all doing this, but apparently the media has decided that Gen Z just loves watching shows with subtitles. So there's a headline, Gen Z more likely to use captions when viewing video content. Young people watch TV with subtitles more than older viewers, survey says. That's a local Fox story. Why do younger generations love subtitles?

That's a local Fox story. Why do younger generations love subtitles? So people have done studies on this because the streaming content makes money. And it makes a ton of sense. And it doesn't just apply to Gen Z. The main reason young people use subtitles and the reason I use subtitles is muddled audio the they've actually changed where the speakers are located on tvs they're they used to have front facing speakers and now they have

them facing the wall behind the flat screen so the whole front of the tv can just be a screen essentially accents that are difficult to understand was also an explanation that was given. And then not wanting to disturb roommates or family, which ties into... So it's just polite. Yeah, it's politeness and the fact that younger people especially are suffering from an incredibly out-of-control housing and real estate market. And yet they're still polite. Yeah, exactly. But in terms of understanding accents with streaming,

people are now able to watch more international shows than ever before. So that probably makes sense. And also actors give more naturalistic performances than ever before, which, you know, I always would would like i had a bias against black and white movies for a long time because when i would watch the performances and everyone would talk in clipped ways that seemed like they were like a an announcer for something instead of trying to pretend to be an actual human but they they enunciated the hell out of what they were saying you know like they that mid-atlantic accent really it's not subtle and then there's also like a a trend in sound mixers

to mix the widest surround sound available and have a dynamic range so like big sounds are very big and quiet sounds are very quiet yeah which is you know designed with designed with a movie theater in mind, but not necessarily at home. That's part of what I was thinking about that, you know, I think this is a pre-pandemic thing for sure. But the pandemic, like, accelerated so many trends. But, you know, what percentage of movies that we would normally have watched in a theater where it was completely silent, perfect sound system, no distractions, no worry of bothering our neighbors. We're now doing a significant percentage of that at home where all these other factors are coming into play. And so maybe that's just a level part of it. And like way before, I mean, way before when I was a child and watching a movie at home, it was either a VHS tape or it was something that had that was like being broadcast on television it was like you know

that there was attention being paid to how it was being distributed right and like they they were doing a mix specifically for those formats presumably whereas like streaming is like you know you're getting it and it's having to be delivered to you and probably compressed to get to like where you're where you're able to watch it. And so like some of the quality is being diminished, like in the same way that, you know, when when you take a video and text it, sometimes it is the size of a postage stamp. And you're like, oh, shit, that that is unintelligible. a postage stamp and you're like oh shit that that is unintelligible you know movies are having to deal with similar things based on like a thousand different types of streaming devices that they're being distributed to and so it just it feels like it's it's harder to control things like that and then we didn't even have like the option to have subtitles before like with vhs tapes there was no

i don't think anyway that there was any way to turn those on you definitely couldn't do that and even on tv it was like they weren't good the subtitles weren't they didn't do a good job the one thing i'll say about subtitles that i dislike is that once in a while it will ruin the scene because it'll come like absolutely one second before some take reveal and you're like oh well okay i can't do it on comedies because yeah it ruins the timing of the of the joke for the most part it works the other way too though where if you're you know like a lot of us if you're half distracted looking at something else or whatever you can you can hear a line be like

oh that was notable or whatever look up quickly and still catch the lingering subtitle uh so you know that's a movement that i i have to assume is out there but you know i because i think that's how like closed captioning works like on a live tv brought like a live sporting event if you have the closed captions on they're coming up you know three to five seconds after the words are spoken by the commentator like something in between that and where we have it now where a lot of times they're coming up before the words are spoken like it should be either immediately as they're being spoken or you know like a second delay so you can look up and yeah, it's not you're not distracted by knowing what happened ahead of time.

I mean, this is this this this is where I'm like, why hasn't someone sort of played with this phenomenon? They know that so many people are doing this. Why not, you know, mess with the subtitles or be more artful in them and know that like okay the closed captioning needs to be timed a little better and we need to actually recognize how people are watching and conversely like you mentioned one of the main reasons for this is oh they're mixing the movies differently or oh they put the speakers in a different part of tv but i'm like i still don't understand why why are they mixing the movies so that you can't hear them why do they like your job as a mixer is to get people to hear what's, like, that's your job, right?

Your job as a TV speaker manufacturer is to make speakers that people can hear. Like, I still don't understand. There should be a streaming mix or something like that. And is it that the people who are making these and doing the, like, final quality control check are still watching it in a totally silent room where they're paying 100% attention. So they're just like not envisioning the real use case in which this is happening. But then I'm like, that's literally your job is to know that like it's going out into the world and people are going to use it in this way. So I just don't understand. People seem to just like slough off this thing of like, well, it's mixed differently or whatever.

And it's like, well, that's not my fault yeah yeah it i i've noticed it happen on hbo stuff a lot i i noticed it happening on fleshman is in trouble when i was just watching that on hulu apparently there was like a big spoiler in the mandalorian that like gave away some piece of information i haven't watched that show but like gave away some piece of information of like who someone is because they said a line and it's like their name and yes who who was saying it and it was like oh that was supposed to be a reveal that happened later in the scene right right so yeah it does seem like there's just, I mean, I think this is a problem that is probably underrated is just there's too much content. Like it's the biggest problem with like social media, too. There's just like too much content to like efficiently and effectively moderate.

Right. to efficiently and effectively moderate, right? And when it comes to streaming content, it's like there's too many different versions of this going out to too many different devices and at too many different internet speeds. This has been a known problem for a while. I just think it's like they should have figured something out at this point.

Yeah. And especially because there's so obviously we have articles written about how popular subtitles are to go back to that. It's like, I feel like this is a good job creator. Just have somebody really who knows what they're doing. Timing could be great. I don't know. It just feels like really weird that they're not putting any money toward this because they also get screwed up a lot. Does that happen to you guys where it's like if you pause it and start it again, then they're totally screwed up and there's just no.

The timing's completely off. Yeah. And then you're like, OK, great. It's this is from 10 seconds ago and or 10 seconds ahead. Talk about ruining things. I mean, it's similar to the whole like darkness conversation, right, with prestige TV and movies where everything is too dark and, you know, same sort of thing. It's like you get this response where it's like, well, you know, because the best TVs now can show the darkest stuff.

It's like, well, no one very, if the majority of people don't have the best TV, then like you should make your shows different and more accommodating. And, you know, when I, that, whatever whatever it was that that house of dragon episode that was literally unwatchable to me because it was so dark i was like i couldn't read that as anything but an aggressive act on the part of the filmmaker i was like you know that this is an issue for people and you still chose to do this i was like pretty i think yeah watching the show at that point at the same time would you be like christopher nolan like you need to start making decisions based on the fact that i'm watching your movie on an iphone you know there's got to be a middle ground maybe yeah there's got to be a middle

ground there's got to be a middle ground for sure yeah or like be or like be okay with people saying i'm not going to watch your movie because it's too frustrating to watch and just like have us you know but i think often it's it's made to feel like it's my fault for not having the best tv or watching you know in a certain way or whatever yeah it's victim yeah thank you all right we got a couple minutes here jody do you want to talk about your show uh good sport and and what you what what happens in the show well yeah you know it's it's called good sport it's from ted uh and pushkin has helped uh make it as well but it's it's an eight-part show it's about kind of like exploring a bunch of interesting questions that i've had that i feel like sports can help understand and sort of like over the course of making it it became i think in

a way like an argument that sports is a really good way to understand the world. And so, you know, we do episodes about like why stadium deals are always such boondoggles. But really, it's kind of like, well, because they reflect what's so messy about democracy to begin with. And we talk about getting in the zone, you know, and how that mental mental toughness can really make the difference between winning and losing. And obviously that has parallels for the rest of our lives. And so kind of, you know, I say this, I say this in the first episode, but kind of a lot of the big lessons that I've learned in life, I've learned through sports, through playing sports and watching sports and just sort of being involved in sports. And I just kind of like, in a weird way, feel like the show's a bit of a defensive of sports as a way to kind of like in a weird way feel like the show's a bit of a defense of of sports as a way to kind of organize and learn about the world but yeah it's eight episodes it's sort of narrative it's like very there's some essayistic stuff in there i kind of i'm a little more voicey and personal than

than i have been in some other of my projects and um and yeah i mean i think i've always made i've done a bunch of sports stuff before and it's usually like barely about sports right it's usually about other stuff i think there's actually over the course of eight episodes there's i think there's literally like 40 seconds of actually describing sports being played and the rest is just kind of like using sports as a as a way to explore some ideas but i'm happy with it i'm talking about the zone stuff does the sort of distracting yourself thing that we were talking about earlier with yeah i was thinking and talking it's like i remember reading somewhere that

you know humming tears humming yourself a song or something is like one of the ways that with one pitcher doc ellis taking lsd which i don't recommend but it got him to pitch a no hitter we talk about that very explicitly. And I actually, in that episode, talk about how whenever I've played sports, I have this little running song that goes through my head over and over. And it's like, if you were to walk onto a soccer field during the middle of a big game and just close your eyes and just listen, it would sound like one person's muttering to themselves, one person's humming to themselves,

other people are having a little innocuous conversation. Other person's like fiddling with their, it's, you know, everyone's got their just little, and, and, and a big part of it is that when you keep your mind occupied, but not either too high or too low, but just sort of at that neutral occupied state, then you're letting your, then you're priming yourself to sort of enter that that zone that flow state and so forth and so nothing ruins sports like overthinking oh my god that's what choking comes from is yeah people thinking about the thing that their body naturally does like that i think i agree like that's a great metaphor for just like getting out of your own way and like the power of the unconscious mind versus the conscious mind. Like, don't like overrated your conscious mind and underrated, like get out of your unconscious mind's way. It's like more ingenious than you realize. and I mean you know the irony of it is like there is so much

thinking being done around the zone which is basically we do all this thinking and all this work to get to a point where hopefully we just turn our brains off and just play or perform and feel and stop thinking right but it takes a lot of mental work yeah it's very similar it takes a lot

of mental work and focus to get to that unfocused place but yeah I've loved talking about that stuff thinking about that stuff and it was nice to that unfocused place. But yeah, I've loved talking about that stuff, thinking about that stuff. And it was nice to be able to do an episode about that and sort of get into it. But yeah, I'm excited. Yeah, this podcast sounds great. I'm so excited. So cool. Thanks. And well, if we're in plugging mode, I do have a live event February 8th, which is the day the first episode comes out at the Bell House in Brooklyn. And I'd love for people to people to come by. Great.

Where else can people find you and follow you, Jody? I mean, that show, Good Sport, is going to be wherever you get your podcasts. And then I do this political history show called This Day in Esoteric Political History. That's through Radiotopia. And that's, you know, wherever you get your podcasts. So you'll find me. You'll find me. You just had a great episode on Christmas with yesterday's guest, Mangesh. Oh, yeah.

About Nancy Reagan's and Ronald Reagan's. Dabbling with astrology. Dabbling with astrology. We did a whole episode about that, too. I know. Well, Chelsea, yeah. Oh, that's so funny. This is the excuse to finally actually have, you know, make the connection here. I'd love to have you on at some point. Oh, my God. I'd love to have you on.

Yeah. Oh, I love it. Yes. This is so fantastic. Yeah. Jody, is there a tweet or work of media you've been enjoying? Oh,

uh, I saw, actually I did see a tweet the other day, which is related to good sport, you know, kind of been thinking about kind of like how people view sports and how it's just sort of like weirdly acceptable that like some people are just like, I don't care about sports. I don't think it matters. And it's like, that's always been very strange to me. Like you don't have to play sports. You

have to love sports, but to just sort of just, people don't say like, well, I don't think music is important. Right. Like it's just, and for some reason people say that about, but anyway, so the morning that the Oscars were getting announced and Twitter was like sort of chattering about that, I saw someone write a tweet that I think was, oh, did a movies ball happen? Which is just such a nice inversion of what a lot of people do when there's a big sporting event going on, just being like, oh, I don't care about sports, like this performative, like, well, what's happening? And so someone just, oh, did a movies ball happen? Yeah, yeah. I love that tweet. Do love that.

Chelsea, where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? You can find me mostly on Instagram. I kind of have stepped away from Twitter so that I can survive my life. But at American Hysteria Podcast on Instagram and then at Amer Hysteria on Twitter. We're on there sometimes for sure, but I tend to be more on Instagram.

There you go. And is there a tweet or work of media that you've been enjoying? Yes, but I feel guilty because I didn't write down who tweeted it. So I'm so sorry. But it is Doctor, congrats on the new baby. What are you going to name him? Newt Gingrich's mom. Newt Gingrich. Yeah. Yeah.

That was a decision that was made at some point. Strange, strange, strange. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. Tweet I've been enjoying. Shea Serrano tweeted horrible news. And it was like a from the Mexican delegation office of the press secretary statement by Shea Serrano regarding an embarrassing thing. It is with great disappointment and remorse that I admit the following. I ate Arby's today.

We're still I ate it at 1030 in the morning. worse still i ate it at 10 30 in the morning i'm not sure why eating arby's while the price is right is airing on television makes it worse than eating arby's after the price is right has already ended i just know that it does i apologize i apologize to my family and to my friends and to anyone else affected by this news i have to do better i will do better please pray for my soul i think it's fine but to eat arby's while the price is right is still on. But, you know, we all deal with these things in our own way. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram.

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Back this afternoon to tell you what is trending, and we will talk to y'all then. Bye. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church.

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