The Daily Zeitgeist - Wildfires Ruin Weed / Wine, Nobody Watches Netflix? 7.26.21

Episode Date: July 26, 2021

In episode 958, Jack and guest host Jamie Loftus are joined by There Are No Girls On The Internet host Bridget Todd to discuss if Fox News can be sued for vaccine claims, music festivals, what Trump did with all that PAC money, wildfires, Neilsen rating, and more!FOOTNOTES: Alabama Republican Gov. Ivey says 'start blaming the unvaccinated folks' for rise in Covid cases COVID-19 Will Definitely Be at Music Festivals This Year Donald Trump Is Keeping the Money 5 Things You Love That Will Be Screwed Over by Extreme Wildfires Nielsen to Reed Hastings: 'Gauge This' LISTEN: Ray's - Full Bush Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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In 1982, Atari players had one game on their minds, Sword Quest, because the company had promised $150,000 in prizes to four finalists, but the prizes disappeared, leading to one of the biggest controversies in 80s pop culture. I'm Jamie Loftus. Join me this spring for The Legend of Swordquest.

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a production of iHeartRadio. Wow. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness, and it is Monday, July 26, 2021. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Jack's butt is white and I cannot lie. All you volleyballers can't deny that when Jack digs for the ball with his little sweaty hands and that white things in your face, you go blind. That is courtesy of official dickhead imagining a world as we did on a recent episode where I am forced to adhere to the beach volleyball shorts guidelines and how bad that would be

for everyone. Just everyone. That's an intense fanfic. That's nice. Yeah. Yeah. I kind of enjoyed it. Well, hey, who's that?

Who's that voice i'm thrilled to be joined by today's special guest co-host a hilarious comedian emmy nominated writer all around brilliant artist who co-hosts the bechdel cast and created the podcast my year in mensa lolita podcast and act cast which is in act four i think act five might be dropping pretty soon yeah she's digging into the cultural history of the kathy comics she is jamie loft aka live loft love aka eat pray loft Hey, Loft! Nice. How are you, Jamie? I'm good. I'm in a basement in Wisconsin.

I've never been better. Good. Is that, you went out there for the Milwaukee Bucks championship just to celebrate? Yeah, I went out into the middle of Milwaukee and begged someone to sneeze into my mouth. I've never seen a more, a less COVID safe looking environment than So sinister. Yeah. Outside that arena.

I was far away from that watching the game. Which also, I thought that the big game, I didn't even realize it was the big game. When they won, I was like, oh, when is the next game? And then they brought the trophy out. I was like, oh, that was the game then they brought the trophy out i was like oh that was the game that was the game well that's very exciting and humiliated myself yeah the world is revolving around wisconsin these days jamie loftus is there and uh the bucks are

the world champs uh well jamie we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the extremely talented digital activist and podcast host of the brilliant podcast There Are No Girls on the Internet, which did a special miniseries on disinformation in our modern disinformation age called Disinformed that won a Shorty. And that is especially timely right now as disinformation is killing us, literally. Please welcome Bridget Todd! Bing, bing, bing! Oh, I love the air horn introduction. Hey, yeah. Pew, pew.

How are you, Bridget? I am doing well. I'm not lucky enough to be in a basement in Wisconsin. I am in a kitchen in Washington, D.C. I am in recovery for a broken ankle, which sucks. Oh, my God. But other than that, I am good. Oh, no.

What happened? I wish it was like a good story. I was on a three-night canoe trip on the Delaware Water Reserve. Okay, that's a good story already. This is a good story. Well, you know, what's funny is that I was like, oh, this is going to be kind of a test of my outdoor skills. And then first night, I was like, so overconfident on the river.

I'm able to say this. It was a combination of stormy weather, overconfidence, and alcohol. Yeah. I mean, that story is great being drunk that is in a storm on a like on a canoe trip the last time i was like my life was like suspended by an injury i think it was from like a sneeze because i got sneezed and like threw out my back yeah that's what sucks about getting older is like yeah you injured and it's like, oh, I just like got up too fast. Or I just like sat down weird and now my back is out.

I have a hip. Like I always thought like knees was like a bad old person thing. But like my hip is starting to hurt after I like go for a run. And that makes you feel real, real fucking old, man. God. run and that that makes you feel real real fucking old man okay i hurt my i hurt my neck comforting my brother on a roller coaster that was my last my brother's 24 years old but he was real scared what coaster was it do you remember yeah it was in um it was at six flags new england and it was the wicked cyclone we went on the most new england roller coaster there was and it was at Six Flags New England, and it was the wicked cyclone. We went on the most New England roller coaster there was.

And it was awesome. It was so good. But I forgot my brother has historically for his entire life been terrified of roller coasters and was kind of going on to appease me. And yeah, he was upset. Roller coasters are so fun. They're so good. I was like, it's the only head over here you're a coaster head i'm starting to be a coaster hat i was when i was a kid and then i just did a

bunch of roller coasters recently and they were really fun all right i really uh missed them and didn't realize it yeah same cool well bridget we are going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, a couple of things we're talking about. A legal expert has asked and answered the question, can Fox News be sued for killing all these people with their anti-vax coverage? Turns out they can. So that's exciting. can. So that's exciting. So apparently Trump had to file his earnings or explain what he did with all the money he raised during the Stop the Steal thing in late July. So we're going to find out what he spent that money on. Oh, God. Yeah, it's good. It's good. It's good stuff. Good stuff. Yeah, it's really fun stuff. We're going to talk about things that we love that will be ruined by wildfires or at least affected negatively by them. We'll look at what we have to look forward to with music festival season right around the corner and COVID not going anywhere. We will check in with the Tokyo Shit Show. We will look at streaming numbers, all of that, plenty more.

But first, Bridget, we like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history? This is a little bit of a weird one. If you kind of grew up around the time that I did, do you remember the show Barney, the kids show? Yeah, it was my favorite show. It was the best, right? I loved it growing up. It was my favorite show. It was the best, right?

I loved it growing up. Do you guys remember this very specific kind of humor, like anti-Barney humor, where people will make up songs in the vein of the Barney theme song, but it will be like, I love you, you love me, let's all go and kill Barney. Who loves me?

Let's all go and kill Barney. I mean, that just came off the dome right there but yeah really? wow okay yeah I'm talented that is talent I was like wow spitting absolute fire over there Jack

new verse just dropped new verse just dropped I'm gonna sell out an arena in Atlanta and people can watch me just kind of vibe to my Barney tracks, my Barney riffs. So what's going on with Barney? So my last thing I Google searched was the Wikipedia page for anti-Barney humor. Because I got to thinking, I saw this thing on TikTok.

I was like, we used to sing that anti anti Barney song when I was growing up. And it turns out that kids all over the country were and this, you know, in the comments of this TikTok video, people were like, how did we all know the same niche like anti Barney song? And somebody in the comments speaking of like feeling old was like, obviously YouTube. Well, that was like many, many, many, many, many years before YouTube. So not only did I feel like, yeah,

I felt very humbled and old, but it really got me thinking like those kind of things where every middle schooler, no matter where you grew up, knows about them. Like that rumor that Marilyn Manson removed his rib to give himself blowjobs. Like how did we all, how did we all kind of like latch onto to that when there wasn't the internet?

Like, where did that all come from? So the sexual ones are interesting because it's always like a mad lib, just depending on where you were. Because I heard Prince removed his rib to suck his own dick. There's also the one where various celebrities had to have their stomach pumped because it was so full of semen. I've heard those. Yeah.

And like that one, it like started as Rod Stewart for some reason. Where did you go to school? Who is telling you these things? Semen University. Yeah. Wait, had you not heard that one, Jamie? The stomach pump thing?

I'd never heard. I'd heard about different celebrities removing their ribs to suck their own dicks. I hadn't heard about the semen pump. This is new. I think that one maybe people just got too smart to believe that one because it's just like an ungodly amount of semen that would require. But it was like Rod Stewart, New Kids on the Block, Britney Spears, Lil' Kim. And like, it's just weird.

They don't have anything in common, but the song one is really good. I actually had that thought around Christmas with the Jingle Bells, Batman Smells, Robin Lee's Leg. Do you guys know that one? Of course, yeah. A classic. Yeah, but like, how did they spread like such what?

Like, were people just like calling their cousin on the other side of the country, being like, yo, you know that new sound you're looking for? Yeah, that's the question. How is it that you growing up in, you grew up in Wisconsin, right? Wait, who did? Jack, I thought you did, but maybe not. I grew up all over, but Ohio. I never lived in Wisconsin.

Oh, okay. Ohio and Wisconsin are the same in my head. Yeah, never lived in Wisconsin. Oh, okay. I said Ohio and Wisconsin are the same in my head. Yeah. Also lived in Massachusetts. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's like, how are we all like, like singing these same niche, dirty songs? Like me in Virginia as a middle schooler, you in Ohio, like, how, where are we getting

this? Like, I'm just so curious, like how this particular niche kind of cultural thing spread like wildfire when we were kids. My theory is cousins from out of town. Yeah. They bring with them. Knowledge. You see this new shit? It's true.

Yeah, because we are around our cousins around the holidays. So maybe that's why that one is so universal. That's why that one is like so universal. I remember my cousin from Baltimore, like who I thought she was like so cool and sophisticated because she was just from somewhere that I wasn't from. And she showed me what Smash Mouth was when I when we went down to meet her. And I was like, what is this? This is amazing. And she's like, yeah, it's more than just Shrek. And it was really exciting.

More than just Shrek. it was really exciting more than just shrek i also love this story it's like she was the peak of sophistication from baltimore like being from baltimore is the peak of sophistication i had cousins my older cousins were from newark and i remember we didn't have nintendo in our house and my the first time that we played nintendo was visiting my cousin my older cousins in Newark. And it was the best thing I'd ever seen. I'd never seen anything so cool in my life. Cousin pilgrimages are exciting. Yeah. I was just thinking about my cousins bullying me when I was like nine years old, like something they made fun of me about when I was nine,

just like recurred in my head just this morning. Oh, wow. Is that just on a loop? Should we get them? Where are they? We can get their asses. They're in Jersey and I'll be seeing them very soon. Oh god. Tim and Mike.

Yeah but the power of the pre-internet meme is no joke. That's a good one. It's true. What is something you think is overrated? Something that I think is overrated is something that I think a lot of folks can maybe identify with, which is just general fashion. I feel like with COVID, all of us staying home, I know that I have leaned away from any kind of fashion trend. I feel like we're all just dressing the way that we wanted to when we were 14.

And that's cool. The other day I was out, you know, at a bar or something. And I was like, wow, I'm wearing a Duran Duran t-shirt, denim overalls that I have cut into shorts and like clogs. And I think I look great. I think everybody has given up on fashion advice. We're just doing our thing. And I think it's great. Hard agree. I haven't like, I don't know, I just visited home and found a bunch of

like old like oversize clothes from high school. And I'm like, yeah, I think we're just gonna, we're just gonna bring them back. And I have no interest in evolving. I feel like there is like a good fashion regression trend going on that I'm very, very here for. Yeah. So I've been recording from the studio recently because of some technical issues at my home studio. And there are people here. And I found that I like for the first time in two years, I was like, oh, maybe I shouldn't wear shorts every day. This is like, so producer Sophie was here. She was like,

you look like such a dad right now. I had like shorts on, a fucking fanny pack. Did you have your phone clipped on a holster? Yeah, exactly. Those like reflective sunglasses. Polarized sunglasses. Yeah, just got off myized sunglasses. Polarized Oakleys.

Yeah. Just got off my speedboat. You've reached your final form. It's a good thing. Yeah, this is what I was meant to be. Yeah. What is something you think is underrated, Bridget? Something I think is underrated is trashy books, like trashy novels, trashy thrillers.

Since I've been injured, I've had a lot of time on my hands. And so I've been trying to get back into reading. And I sort of had this like weird relationship with reading where I always felt like I should be reading more, but I wasn't really a big reader. And I felt like I wanted to be the kind of person that like read like very serious nonfiction books. And I went to the beach not that long ago on vacation. And the two books that I brought with me

were The Body Keeps Score, which is this like very good, but like very heavy book about trauma. And I think it was The New Jim Crow, the book about like... Just some light beach reading. And they took up a lot of space in my bag. I was like, wait, people don't want to read like heavy, dense stuff on vacation. You want to read like a beach read, something that's, you know, just a page turner. So recently, I've been reading a lot of kind of trashy books. And they're the best. It's so much fun. I will never struggle through another like dense nonfiction read because I feel like I have to. another like dense nonfiction read because i feel like i have to when i could be demolishing you know trashy romance novels or tom clancy thrillers things that maybe aren't you know highbrow but

they're good right they're very good they're page turners yeah that's what i read what like when i loved reading when i was you know 12 13 i was like a uh michael crichton like extra like that that was the sort of thing that i was like really into and i didn't i didn't give a shit if like yeah reading doesn't need to be good for you like reading reading all the time i remember reading yeah the crate the what is it called the book pray in like the bathtub over a period of months about the tiny little computers. Yeah, the nano, the nanobots. Yeah. It was actually post post Crichton for me that I didn't read that one. That was like, I was more the sphere era. Oh, you think Jurassic Park's good? You got to read the sphere, dude. Oh, what's the best Michael Crichton book?

Like, where should i start i've only ever read the lost world it's been a long time oh the lost world uh well jurassic park is better than the lost world and sphere i think is probably the best of his novels i enjoyed that was like a big time climate change denier wasn't that's right yeah it's a climate bizarre i just wouldn't i don't know why i wouldn't expect that of him but i wouldn't i was very surprised because he went to medical school like yeah i was like oh because i thought of him as mr smart guy yeah but nothing uh nothing can trump being a rich white guy for like 20 years then you you just fucks you up it's true i remember

uh having an argument with a with a friend of a friend about climate change and he hit me with the, well, the Michael Crichton school of thought is, and I was like, oh my god. No! Like, alright, okay. Yikes. Wait, what have you been reading, Bridget? Okay, so I just finished

the, this is, please don't make fun of me, the novel version of the Netflix show You you oh my god wait is the show based on the novel or this is the novelization so the it was a novel for it's actually three novels it's called the first one is you the second one is hidden bodies the third one i have not read i forget what it's called but so like the show is not very good but i watched it all in two days right so like you tell me the novel is the same way i'm not going to what it's called. But so like the show is not very good, but I watched it all in two days. Right. So like you tell me the novel is the same way. I'm not going to say it's a good book, but did I finish it in one day? Yes, I did. Did I stay up every night reading it? Yes, I did. months to get through something that you know is good but then something that is like you're like this is bad for me and i don't even know if i'm fully enjoying it but i need to consume it as

quickly as possible and honestly that's totally changed my relationship with reading because books that i that i feel like i quote should read i will be reading it'll take me a month to get through and when i'm finally done with it, I'm like citing it every day, like a goddamn egg timer. Cause I'm just so happy that I finished a book. Yeah. To make it worthwhile. Yeah.

Yeah. I got to bring it up every party, every reference. I got to bring it up. Get my money's worth. Oh yeah. Of course. I will never throw out a book that I've actually read.

I'm like, that is a trophy that I will keep with me forever. What if someone comes over and you need to be like, yeah. Oh, that book? Yeah, read it. Definitely read it. Oh, ever heard of books? I definitely read them. The first book I read all the way through was The Novelization of Jaws 2. Not the novel that Jaws is based on, The Novelization of Jaws 2. So I respect a novelization. Fame.

Yeah. That's classic literature. And I still have it on my bookshelf. Nobody will take that away from me. Really? Oh, that rocks. I don't. But I wish I did.

All right. Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about the news. about the news. I'm Dr. Laurie Santos, host of the Happiness Lab podcast. As the U.S. elections approach, it can feel like we're angrier and more divided than ever. But in a new, hopeful season

of my podcast, I'll share what the science really shows, that we're surprisingly more united than most people think. We all know something is wrong in our culture, in our politics, and that we need to do better and that we can do better. With the help of Stanford psychologist Jamil Zaki. It's really tragic. If cynicism were a pill, it'd be a poison. We'll see that our fellow humans,

even those we disagree with, are more generous than we assume. My assumption, my feeling, my hunch is that a lot of us are actually looking for a way to disagree and still be in relationships with each other. All that on the Happiness Lab. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. or wherever you listen to podcasts. In 1982, Atari players had one thing on their minds. Sword Quest. This wasn't just a new game.

Atari promised 150 grand in prizes to four finalists. But the prizes disappeared. And what started as a video game promotion became one of the most controversial moments in 80s pop culture. I just don't believe they exist. I mean, my reaction, shock and awe. That sword was amazing. It was so beautiful.

I'm Jamie Loftus. Join me this spring for The Legend of Sword Quest, a podcast about the fall of Atari and the disappearing Sword Quest prizes. podcast about the fall of Atari and the disappearing Sword Quest prizes. We'll follow the quest for lost treasure across four decades. It's almost like a metaphor for the industry and Atari itself in a way. Listen to The Legend of Sword Quest on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

This summer, the nation watched as the Republican nominee for president was the target of two assassination attempts separated by two months. These events were mirrored nearly 50 years ago when President Gerald Ford faced two attempts on his life in less than three weeks. President Gerald R. Ford came stunningly close

to being the victim of an assassin today. And these are the only two times we know of that a woman has tried to assassinate a U.S. president. One was the protege of infamous cult leader Charles Manson. I always felt like Lynette was kind of his right-hand woman. The other, a middle-aged housewife working undercover for the FBI in a violent revolutionary underground.

Identified by police as Sarah Jean Moore. The story of one strange and violent summer. This is Rip Current, available now with new episodes every Thursday. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, fam. I'm Simone Boyce. I'm Danielle Robay. or wherever you get your podcasts. an episode with Grammy award-winning rapper Eve on her new memoir and the moments that made her. It became a theme in my life, the underdog syndrome of being questioned, of the, would they say this to a man? No, they would not. Like, why? That was one of those moments where you're just like, oh, wow. It was a bit shocking, but it didn't take any steam away or

anything like that. If anything, it was more of the, okay, I'll show you. No worries. Listen to The Bright Side from Hello Sunshine on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And Fox News. Let's talk about fox news we've been speculating for the past like last week there was this turn right where suddenly sean hannity fucked with the vaccine like some of the people on the fox morning show we're talking about how the vaccine works which was new you know like their party line had been like we're just about how the vaccine works, which was new. You know, like their party line

had been like, we're just asking questions here. But who's to say if the vaccine works or not? Like just real like the same the same shit you hear from anti-vaxxers. Yeah. It's just a difference of opinion. What you guys are getting thought control. That's a good Ben Shapiro. Oh, thanks. I was trying to do Tucker Carlson. So don't think we're going for Charlie Kirk. Whoa, okay. Look, open to interpretation. They share a voice. So anyways, we were wondering, like, did somebody threaten them with a lawsuit? Because that's like what made them change their tune when it came to the big lie and like whether the voting machines had like stolen votes from Trump.

And then, you know, they were open to that story until the voting machine company was like, hey, we're suing you for two billion dollars. And then suddenly they were just like reading statements on air. So we're wondering if that happened with COVID and with vaccinations. We still don't know the answer to that, but we do know that they can be sued. A legal expert for Slate was basically explaining that they're open to a lawsuit if somebody dies from COVID because they didn't get vaccinated after watching Tucker Carlson's show. They can be sued under the common law theory of fraud. So basically, you just have to prove that the defendant made a misstatement of fact, knowing that it was false or with reckless disregard as to whether it was true or false. Okay, so it's contingent on them being able to prove that Fox News knew it was bullshit when they were saying it.

Yeah. Or just didn't do the work to find it out. Like reckless disregard means the defendant did no investigation at all, but just put the statement out there. Got it. Yeah. In addition to being obvious that the information is just everywhere and they're supposed to be a journalistic institution, we talked last week about how they have a clear pass that they are using behind the scenes at Fox News that shows that you can only work if you have had the vaccine. So they know like they're operating on a day to day basis and in a world where the vaccine works and then coming are vaccinated are still urged to take precautions. Maybe it doesn't work. And they're simply not telling you that.

So, yeah. That man needs to be put through a shredder. Just like an industrial shredder. Very Midwest of you to go Fargo on his ass. Thank you. It's weird. In everyone's backyard here, there's a gigantic shredder. So it's just been on my mind. Right. With a leg hanging out of it. Yeah. In case you sin. Yeah. How what is the kind of covid masking vibe where you guys are in California? It seems like people have gotten the message. They've also like changed the law in Southern California or in

L.A. County saying that you have to wear a mask. Are you is are people still wearing masks in Wisconsin and D.C.? No, as demonstrated by the Bucks game the other night, no one is wearing a mask. You can't like I have seen people choosing to wear masks like at the gas station and stuff. And unlike the last time I was here, people are no longer making fun of you if you are wearing a mask in public. So I view that as as progress.

That's pretty cool. Yeah, I got relentlessly bullied. Jesus Christ. That's so weird. It's like, who cares if if you're a stranger is wearing a mask? Who cares? And also, even way before COVID, people who were immunocompromised wore masks.

My dad wore masks to travel way before COVID. So who cares? What is it your business if you've got to bully them or have an opinion about it? What do you care if someone that you don't know in public is wearing a mask? How does it impact your life? It's very bizarre. Yeah. There was like, I remember a guy giving me just a minutes long little song and dance about like, are you going to rob my business? Because bandits wear masks. And I was like, do you want me to buy a Diet Pepsi here or not like i don't know what what your end game is i mean that is one there's a one of our listeners said that their favorite wing place now prohibits masks

because of uh the the risk of robbery which is there there's just very it it seems like things have turned to the anti-vaxxing and anti-masking people now like going on the offensive like being like you can't you you can't stay at our airbnb if you are vaccinated and like being aggressively against masks i think tucker carl's another thing where he was like if you see somebody wearing a mask around your child, you should call the police. So sure. Yeah. Yeah. Responsibly advocating for the misuse of public services.

Totally. Very responsible. Yeah. Great. How is D.C.? D.C. is interesting. I will say D.C., like we are by and large a city of people who like just want to follow the rules. We're like, fine, whatever it is we're supposed to do, fine. I do think with the masking, I think people

are confused, right? Like I don't, DC is not a place where people are going to, where most people, I should say, are going to be anti-masker for the sake of being anti-masker. I think that when we got that federal guidance that you didn't have to wear masks indoors if you were vaccinated, I think that that, frankly, I mean, I'm no medical professional, but I think that that probably confused a lot of people. mask, I don't think that people are trying to poo-poo, you know, that guidance. But I just think the federal guidance or the federal messaging being that, oh, you don't need to wear masks, has just confused everybody. So I would say when I go into the grocery store in D.C. now, it's probably half people wearing masks and half people not. I don't think the people who are not wearing masks, I don't think they're trying to be like anti-mask whatever, because that's not really a prevalent thing, particularly in my area

of dc i just think people are confused and we've got too much conflicting guidance and people don't know what to do like we we don't really have one unifying message even though our local guidance still is like wear a mask inside it's just i think people are confused yeah be used. Yeah, no, for sure. I think that's totally fair about it, about the masking. But the the vaccine stuff seems pretty seems like now everybody is being pretty clear about that. Even Alabama Governor Kay Ivey is saying folks are supposed to have common sense, but it's time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks, not the regular folks. It's the unvaccinated folks that are letting us down. You know, she's somebody who ended the state's mask mandate early and has chosen not to spend the state emergency COVID funds on like incentive programs. So like this is definitely

another situation where like Republicans are coming around on something that like should not have required any convincing. yeah oh yeah and to to that point this is the same person who in you know not too long ago was spreading unfounded fears about things like vaccine passports right like let's not pretend like k ivy did not spend a good portion of the year politicizing vaccines and, you know, downplaying the need to get them and really spreading irresponsible hysteria, putting her own constituents at risk by spreading unfounded claims about vaccines and how they were going to be administered. And so, you know, I'm happy to see that she's come around to the side of common sense. But instead of blaming

her unvaccinated constituents, she may want to look in the mirror and wonder where folks are getting this kind of panic and hysteria from. And what maybe did she do that actually caused that? And, you know, Jack, earlier you were talking about Fox News and you used the word fraud. I think that more and more we need to see people that push nonsense about our public health, about our elections, as the fraudsters and the scammers that they are. Tucker Carlson, he knows that vaccines are safe. If the vaccine guidance from Fox News as an organization to work for is correct, he probably has been vaccinated himself. I saw him doing a whole song and dance about how it was the most offensive question to ask if he was vaccinated. But the bottom line is, people like Tucker Carlson are making money by pushing dangerous lies. And we have a word for that.

It's a scammer. It's a fraudster. And so this is not a, you know, a debate, a two sides issue. These people are scammers and fraudsters, and they're making money off of pushing dangerous, dangerous anti-science ideas to people that can get people killed. dangerous dangerous anti-science ideas to people that can get people killed and i really am happy to see people using language like fraud and scam to call out these obvious scammers and fraudsters yeah yeah i mean this thing with k ivy is oh it i mean it's not the word but it's way too late for her to try to do you know like a face turn at this point in the way she's handled this where there's absolutely i mean it's uh ridiculous to expect a public official to take accountability for anything but yeah just

to act like these the reason that people are unvaccinated in her state exists entirely in a void that has nothing to do with her it's just nothing to do with public policy ridiculous like it's yeah i mean it's the Republican ideal of everything is like personal accountability and like personal like nothing has to do with any sort of group based or like public. leadership implicitly or leadership implicitly in general. But if you are misguided by leadership, it's your fault, whatever happens to you. Right. Yeah. Seems unfair. It's probably better that she is doing this than her, you know, staying on the same path she was on before, but obviously not somebody who belongs in a position making public policy. Yeah. One other story. So I guess Lollapalooza is still a thing, first of all, like that is still a music festival that happens on a regular basis. A hundred thousand attendees are expected in Chicago every day for Lollapalooza starting this week, I think. Oh, no.

Yeah. And so people are pointing to this Dutch music festival, Verknipt. I can't believe, I can't imagine that's how it's actually pronounced. So they basically did a music festival in the Netherlands, required a vaccination card or proof of a negative test result. I think it was 20,000 people total at the festival. And now they're reporting over 1,000 people who attended the festival have now tested

positive for COVID. And I mean, I read something like that the Delta variant can like have 10,000 times or 1,000 times as much virus in like the nasal passageway than the previous version. So it just seems like it's so much more communicable. But they're trying to like the takeaway from that is that the negative test within 40 hours is like the loophole that people are using to get in and like still spread the disease. Basically, that like 40 hours is not enough. Like it should be 24 hours or you should just force people to have been vaccinated. Yeah. And Lollapalooza, as of right now, hasn't learned anything from that. And their window is 72 hours.

So, yeah, probably not great. The first thing that happens when you Google Lollapalooza is people also ask, how could Lollapalooza 2021 happen? Which is a valid question. Yeah. You're in the Midwest right now. Are you planning on going? I mean, yeah, of course I'm going to go. Much like I was begging someone to sneeze in my mouth at the Bucks game, I will be doing the same at Lollapalooza.

Can't even imagine, like, who is playing Lollapalooza. Like, Smash Mouth, probably, right? Smash Mouth probably right do you remember that I mean first I it's I I still feel like I mean it stresses me out looking at packed sports games still as well like it's just a stressful thing to see well well it still feels like information is like no there's no you you know, through line of information whatsoever. It freaks me out in general. Yeah. I mean, I actually have a question. This is not even really a question. It's more of a philosophical issue I've been wrestling with, which is that like, you know how in the beginning, there was a time during COVID where if you were still going out

to the bar and if you were still going out to like events, you were an asshole. And then the messaging was, well, as long as you're fully vaccinated, you can do whatever you want. And so I feel like we all were like, woo, parties are back. Things are back. So are we now to the point where today if you go to a concert or go out out you're an asshole the same way that it was like like where are we because i just feel i feel so personally confused by the messaging and i also feel like we cannot count on our our leaders to give us clear guidance and so there's always going to be a convention of folks who are just going to do what they want but if you're someone who is

trying to make responsible choices i feel like we're largely being left up to our own consciences and like our own understanding of the guidance and the science and the cases and all of that, which is not a good place to be if you're just trying to have a hot girl summer after your ankle heals, you know? Yeah, that I mean, that's an incredibly good question. I feel conflicted about it all the time because it's like, you know, I've been out and doing stuff and trying to split. I mean, not even split the difference, but, you know, just be out wearing a mask. And if, you know, I'm trying to stick to things that have that I know that there that the people there will be vaccinated or like i don't know they're they're still at sports games right now they're still like vaccinated sections that you can sit in which doesn't i mean which i feel like it's almost a band-aid because it's like you're going to be sharing bathrooms with there's not vaccinated

i don't know i i honestly have no fucking clue i it's very confusing to me the it just it really seems like there is a a level of like to answer your question like I I am equally confused so not to not answer your question I'm equally confused I don't have an answer for how we're supposed to judge people because we don't know if they've been vaccinated I do I'm just like'm just like the fact that a sporting event would have a vaccinated versus not vaccinated section. Like why the fact that like they're making do at these music festivals for people who haven't been vaccinated,

like the, especially in America, where like, I feel like there's been the time to be vaccinated. And like, this is the one that blows my mind. At least 100 US Olympic athletes are unvaccinated like how is that allowed like that but like what how yeah i don't understand how we're like the health lead for the u.s olympic committee was like uh we're actually pretty happy with that number because it's like a pretty small percentage of our athletes. But I just don't understand. I feel like there is, you know, we talked last week about how to make this to kind of shift the direction

we're going with all the disinformation that's out there, we need to make it the hard choice to remain unvaccinated rather than the easy choice, which seems like what it is now. Yeah. And it just feels like we're not doing that. We're still just like being like, yeah, no, okay, up to you, up to you guys. Yeah. It feels kind of bizarre, too, because I feel like now that everyone is kind of back out vaccinated or unvaccinated, largely, there was once this really public push for like we need

someone you know we need leadership here like what the fuck is going on what is like is there some standard to how we can keep each other safe and now it's like we're in a different version of the same situation but it doesn't even feel like there's really that same demand for leadership. And it's still not happening, but it doesn't seem like people are as, I don't know, it's not as top of mind because everyone's just out and relieved that they can be out. I don't know, saying it out loud, I'm like, well, this sounds like a recipe for disaster. Which if you look at the way that COVID cases are going in some parts of the United States, that's exactly where we're headed. And Jack, what's so interesting about what you said

about the Olympics, about how there's still 100 or so Olympians who have not been vaccinated. The Olympics can police so many aspects of what the athletes do and don't do from the hormones in their body body from their hair what whether or not they wear shorty shorts or bikinis or whatever and yet when it comes to vaccination they're like oh whatever y'all want to do you know like it just i find that so interesting the fact that you can't smoke weed but you can be unvaccinated it's like what what like make it make sense yeah yeah it truly does not all right let's take a quick break and we'll be right back i'm dr laurie santos host of the happiness lab podcast as the u.s elections, it can feel like we're

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And it turns out he didn't spend any of it. leadership pack which raised some 75 million dollars on the back of like his barrage of lies has yet to spend any of that money in support of the recounts and he's just which suggests he's just going to keep it for himself he just has the money now but it was like explicitly he was asking people explicitly to give him money so he could like pursue like recounts and like do all these things and it's just like we we already know that was a lie like we we can just like point to this information that it's a lie i don't know that it's gonna change literally a single mind but i don't know it's just so fucking transparent it's frustrating i mean at this point if you give money to trump i mean on the one hand i feel bad for these people because i

know that he preys on his supporters who are elderly or you know working class who like don't really have a ton of money so i feel for them in that way but he's a scammer like he he has a whole long history of not paying people running out bills, and stealing money from his own supporters. And so this is not surprising to me. He's definitely going to keep that money for personal enrichment. And it's not surprising. This is what he does. This is his thing.

Yeah, he's going to turn Baron into a Transformer with it. Baron is tall, man. That's the word on the street. Everyone's talking about the tallest son who no longer lives in the White House. All right. Let's talk about the consequences of wildfires. about the consequences of wildfires you know as fun as it is to walk through Times Square and have it smell like a campfire because of fires that are happening in Oregon and like all the smoke just blowing across the country

there are some less cool things that are gonna be happening because of the fact that we now have like a global fire season. So we've got, so here are some of the things that are going to be ruined. We'll start with the very basic going outside. We have a little more experience in California with what that future looks like. Like I took a trip with my kids into like California wilderness last year during fire season. And like it's, you know, some days you can't go outside.

It's like going somewhere during rainy season where half the days you can't go outside. You just have to bring puzzles and board games because it's going to be too smoky to breathe, basically. And then on the good days, the sky will be pale gray. But the sunsets though my mind blowing uh really cool sunsets makes it all worth it they're saying even as far north as minnesota's boundary waters canoe area the air quality is it's considered safe to be 30 or below. And on Tuesday, it was 150 in Minneapolis and 249 further north.

What? Good Lord. Weed is going to be affected. So apparently they're seeing fire tornadoes in what's known as the Emerald Triangle, which is like where most of the weed in California is grown. And it's not just that like the fire and drought might burn the crop up. The stuff actually like makes it so you're going to the the flower is going to be like very smoky and sooty, like flavored and who knows like what that is actually doing to

everything. Like a thing that you're putting into your body is covered with like a fine dusting of just like whatever happens to catch on fire awesome so basically everything good the outgoing outside and being high forget about it yeah right wine also uh is like you know a lot of that comes from the Northern California area and you'll be getting a rich like stone fruit with hints of chocolate behind the overpowering taste of bong water because it's going to just it's going to taste ashy. It's going to taste like an ashtray because the grapes are going to have smoke kind of infused throughout them. I honestly had, I mean, the big picture stuff is so horrifying that I hadn't even

thought about how that's going to trickle down to crops and consumer products and stuff like that. Yeah. Like seafood, they're saying the clams are literally cooking in their shells in the pacific northwest they're surfacing with their shells popped open like they've been steamed that sounds like a page from the lorax that sounds terrible right coffee is just because of the drought conditions hurting brazil their coffees can be more expensive this fall. And also, apparently, it just makes COVID-19 worse. You're more likely to die from COVID in an area with worse air quality. Oh, that makes sense.

Yeah. I mean, there have been a number of pieces coming out in the past couple of weeks about, There have been a number of pieces coming out in the past couple of weeks about, yeah, the class and racial implications of climate change and how it's going comes up but not with the amount of like i don't think that my parents have heard of that angle of climate change and it seems like it's still a pretty under-discussed thing but i you know if i told my aunts their wine would be affected maybe they would care it's just uh it's just awful yeah i think that's a good point like the the who of it like rather than like the because the abstract science clearly isn't like convincing anybody but the who of it like who first of all who is doing the polluting that is changing the climate is like you know majority of it has been done by massive corporations by like a handful of

very rich people and then like who is going to be hurt by it like is yeah majority like poor and persons of color and nations that don't have the ability to like make changes and adapt on the fly are going to be hurt. Like, I really do feel like emphasizing the who of it is probably a better strategy or underused strategy. Completely. And I think another way to say that that really helps me conceptualize it is the people who did the most to cause the problem are being the least impacted by it and the people who are most directly impacted by it did the least to cause the problem and i think really think and so when people use the word in like climate injustice that's really how i think of it because it is an injustice you know that's good you know like billionaire like largely white-led

billionaire corporations are the ones causing the problem and are doing the least to solve that problem all while trying to distract us by over emphasizing individual choices like you know oh whether or not you recycle as part of the as part of the problem and obviously everybody should be making responsible choices i'm not saying those things don't matter but it's so interesting to me how corporations will stamp like, please recycle on their bottle. But it's like, y'all are the corporations. Y'all can change this if you want to do.

Why are you bringing me into it? Like, why don't y'all look in the mirror and do something, you know? And so it really, it's one of those issues that I just think is, the way we talk about it is perhaps misleading. The way we think about it is perhaps misleading. The way we think about it is perhaps misleading. And it's a real problem because it's not coming. It's here. Like climate collapse is like, I think we're in it.

I don't think it's like five years, 10 years, 100 years. I think what we are experiencing now, the kinds of intense heats and droughts and things of that nature, I think it's here. It does kind of remind me, I mean, just of how we were talking about the vaccination versus unvaccination conversation early of, you know, making it an individual failure and not really, you know, the governor of Alabama just avoiding the possibility that it was a systemic failure that she was like a really

big part of. It feels like there's kind of a different version of that going on when we're talking about climate where, you know, you see that the crisis is getting worse with each year that passes. And it's like, I mean, it is humbling. Like the first time I learned that even if every single person in the world was doing what they could to reduce their carbon footprint, it wouldn't move the needle as much as if there was some sort of regulation put on these billion dollar companies. Like it's just and but but they don't give a shit because they're just going to go to space or whatever. Right. Yeah. Yeah. go to space or whatever.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's part of like America is addicted to individualism and, and like, you know, whether it's the, the origin story of a company, like giving all the credit to like one person,

just like gritting their way through it instead of like the hundreds of people who like work together and helped that person like that. We, of like the hundreds of people who like work together and helped that person like that we we love just writing the the other people out of a success story and like same goes for like casting the blame we we just want to it all to be about individual choices and like we are all the heroes of our own narrative and we can we can fix this because movies told us we could that said though i will be bummed if my franzia starts tasting like an ashtray that is also something to keep in mind yeah all right let's talk about streaming so there's this new study out from nielsen

now that nielsen is actually like measuring streaming, they like via people's servers. So it's not just like a, it only, if you stream stuff on your computer, which is what it was at the beginning of the year, they recently unveiled a thing that actually checks through servers, like how much data is being downloaded and like matches that up to the streaming so that they know how much content is actually being streamed. I know it's very invasive, but it's, I was, I was surprised.

So they kind of released like just total amount of like how people are consuming entertainment at home. And it's 40% cable still 23% broadcast. So like, it's still cable still 23 broadcast so like it's still 63 like traditional like tv shit and then 27 all streaming like that's like netflix youtube hulu prime disney plus like all of those add up to 27 i'm'm very interested in the streaming. There's like something labeled 8% other streaming. I'm like, is that what? Like Twitch? Like, what is that?

Yeah. Yeah. I'm not sure. But like, maybe it's just like kind of the long tail of like all the other, like Peacock and HBO Max and all those other ones that aren't on here. Bizarre. But yeah, and then there also is a chunk of 9% other that I don't know. Other?

That's people like staring at like Roadkill. Right. Maybe it's people who read books, Jamie. Ever think about that? Ever read books? I just totally, I told them myself, I'm more likely to stare at roadkill than read a book where do you all get like do you do you have cable do you do

streaming like what what is going on in your houses like the only time we have non streaming stuff on is if it's live sports that's that's it yeah we don't have we don't have cable we just have streaming I'm like yeah just watching

roller coaster videos on youtube most of the time are those pov roller coaster videos where you get to experience them nah they're roller coaster documentaries wow about the making of yeah there's um yeah defunct land if you want to watch a bunch of like 45 minute documentaries about the history of roller coasters that no longer exist it's niche but there's millions of us watching yeah yeah defunct and you ask what the other streaming is it's all roller coaster documentary what about you bridget do you have do you have cable we have cable which is so silly because we really don't need to have cable I guess I feel that flipping channels just mindlessly flipping channels is such a big part of my life and I love it so much it brings me so much comfort and joy

that I and I have yet to find a streaming experience that like can mimic the feeling of just mindly mindlessly flipping channels and then being like, oh, this random movie that I had, like Swimfan is on. I haven't thought about that movie in years. I'm going to watch it, right? Like that feeling of random discovery. If I could find a streaming platform that could mimic that,

I will be in business. So that's what I'm wondering is if this, like if streaming platforms will use this to as like an indication that they should go harder on that like always on model or if they should even like i i don't know like if netflix had a a bunch of channels that were like okay here are all movies curated by like your favorite director here like that are just you just turn it on and there's something playing and you know you just can kind of flip through the pluto tv model yeah i guess i don't have pluto tv but you gotta get pluto tv they have

a degrassi channel oh well there you go yeah like what would people be more likely to like stream if they just like didn't have to make any decisions at all well Netflix does have that thing now just like watch something now where I think they it's like an aggregate of the things that you watch or that you like and then you just hit the button and they just pick for you which I don't know how you all feel but I when I'm trying to search for something to watch, I can just watch documentary trailers for hours and kind of stress out about what to pick. And so, so I could see it be, I don't use that feature, but I could see it being useful for folks who have just like have decision paralysis and don't know what to watch. decision paralysis and don't know what to watch i've had some luck with that feature but then i also i think they're also just being like they also pump into that feature like movies that they have just released that aren't doing as well as they want them to do because i kept getting the zack snyder movie that i was like there's nothing in my viewing history that would indicate i want

this but they're like but you you want this right it's fucked up and you want it yeah i'm so interested i'm always so interested in like their algorithm like when they when you go on to netflix and it's like the top 10 trending things versus that the pot like the popular i'm so curious like how they've come to surface these these titles Sometimes I think they really are playing fast and loose. They're new releases. They are pushing the boundary of what you could consider a new release. Every time I go on there, I'm like, this has been out for a year.

How are you calling it? Why is it new releases? And why is Coco Melon always in the top 10? What is Coco Melon? I'm not a baby. And isn't Coco Melon... Jack Jack, you have kids, they don't watch Cocomelon, right? There is a Cocomelon video on YouTube about potty training that they really enjoy. Is it the same company that does Johnny Johnny Yes Papa or am I mistaken? Oh, I have no idea. That sounds like you were just having a stroke.

I know Johnny Johnny. My little nephew loves it. Really? Yes. I just, I mean, Netflix claims to know me and yet it keeps trying to get me to watch Cocoa Melon. Don't you know me at all?

You know what you're going to like? Cocoa Melon. You're like, well, I know you just finished watching The Circle again, but you know what's all you know what you're gonna like cocoa melon you're like i know you just finished watching the circle again but you know what's coming on next zach snyder cocoa melon yeah cocoa melon is just like one of those things like i feel like a lot of children's entertainment online is just like there were a million people on computers trying to make like computer animated children's entertainment at the same time.

And then like, just through like a natural, like survival of the fittest, like Darwin, like YouTube Darwinism, like a handful of them were just like randomly like fired really well in kids' brains. And that's like how Cocoa Mellon came about.

It's just like, people were like, Oh shit. They really, uh uh like this shape of a baby and like this type of music combined with it and that's the same thing like there's there's other like pink fong which is the baby shark people like it's just oh yeah randomly hit on one thing and then they're just like more more of that um but it's that like it's really like as a parent you have to like i were very careful about like youtube because youtube is just sure yeah it's not there's nothing being there's no like person who is making sure that i if i turn around like my kid's not watching a fucking ben shapiro thing yeah i mean don't let algorithms raise your kids right right and for a while there

was that thing where i think there was an expose in the new york times and then uh youtube tried to take some measures to fix it but particularly with children's programming where you would be watching your kid would be watching your kid would be watching a totally normal video and then a few videos later the videos would seem like kids videos but just would be very weird and dark and demented and everyone was like spider-man got hit by a car or something there were some like really dark ones oh that's sorry cool. Sorry to worry you. Wait, Spider-Man? Not Spider-Man. Oh, man. I really wanted to just open up Netflix and do the play random thing and see what I got.

But it's not giving it to me right now. It's not. But yeah, I feel like that. Isn't that just a shuffle icon Like it's just the shuffle icon. And then, yeah, I feel like, yeah, they, they're not putting a ton into that, like sort of always on the algorithm will choose for you type thing. I think eventually they'll probably have like some Pluto TV style offering. But do you think you'd be like more likely to like watch a channel that was like

all all of the teen dramas that are on netflix just like kind of always playing one or the other that's a good question i don't i like my instinct is no but when you say it like that like just oh this is a genre the algorithm knows i like and they're just gonna randomize stuff i would i would try it yeah yeah i feel like i would too if they had it always on channel for like fucked up documentary or like niche documentary i would i would have it on all the time i would i would like it would always be on in my home if that existed yeah nature nature documentaries like for me like that's such great like background stuff to have on and like it doesn't damage your children i hate that that's something you need to be like absolutely sure of in a streaming platform but it makes sense and they also get bored by it so they don't just sit there like with their mouth agape.

Well, Bridget and Jamie, it's been so fun having you guys on TDZ today. Bridget, where can people find you and follow you? You can find me on the iHeartRadio podcast. There are no girls on the internet

where we would be happy to have you. We talk about all things internet culture, technology, underrepresented voices, feminism, all that fun stuff. You can follow me on Instagram at Bridget Marie in D.C. or on Twitter at Bridget Marie. Yeah, yeah. And is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying? So I have a tweet from Morning Gloria, Erin Ryan. She says, oh, I'm such a Carrie. Me, every time I get revenge, using my telekinesis. That's awesome.

Jamie, where can people find you, follow you, and what's a tweet you've been enjoying? You can find me on Twitter at Jamie Loftus Help, Instagram, Jamie Christ Superstar, listen to ACT Cast. We're halfway done with the series right now.

And it's all about the Kathy comics. And this coming week, we're going to be talking about how she's very reflective of all of the frustrating qualities of boomers. And I interviewed my mom for a long time. The whole thing. So listen to that. And then the tweet I've been enjoying is from Meg Z at by Meg. And it's can't talk right now. I'm doing hot girl shit.

Asterisk eating salt and vinegar chips to the point of causing dozens of cuts along the roof of my mouth. So brutal. I have to tell you, when I was preparing for this interview my initial underrated was gonna be kathy because i feel like listening to act cast i feel like i feel like kathy got a real bad rap but kathy fucking slaps and i feel like we all we i'm happy that you're unearthing how awesome kathy actually is and her cultural impact because I feel like we kind of let that one slide we didn't really we didn't really celebrate Kathy for the icon that she is so I'm I almost was gonna use that but then I was like oh that might be I didn't know you were gonna be

the guest host so I was like oh that might be like putting her on the spot thank you I'm so I'm so excited Kathy has been um she was very nervous to listen to the show but so far so good. Right. The creator of Kathy. Oh yeah. Not the fictional cartoon. I was like wow Jamie's really in people are going to be like Jamie's really in the creation of this

show. She's like yeah Kathy the cartoon character. Kathy now we chat. She speaks to me. Loftus is in deep. She's finally left her body. Kathy's a real person who lives

in LA. She's local. Alright. Tweet I've been enjoying. Luke Moans tweeted, if you go 45 minutes outside of any city, everyone's like let's all pretend it's the south and sarah haji tweeted i want to drink from the hair salon french press and showed that you know those barbicide things they are why are they french presses

but yeah that makes it look extra delicious I've always wanted to drink from that thing you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at the daily zeitgeist on instagram we have a facebook fan page and a website dailyzeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our

footnotes where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song we think you should go check out. And Miles is not here to recommend a song, but Bridget, you were telling us about a band that a friend of yours is in that has both a very great band name and is also going on tour with Japanese Breakfast.

Yes, they're awesome. They're awesome. They're called full Bush. You could use the song raise. I think that's one of their best song and it's about Philadelphia. So we can ride out to that. All right. Yeah.

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We're back this afternoon to tell you what is trending, and we will talk to y'all then. Bye. Hey, I'm Bruce Bozzi. On my podcast, Table for Two, we have unforgettable lunch after unforgettable lunch with the best guests you could possibly ask for. People like

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In 1982, Atari players had one game on their minds, Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In 1982, Atari players had one game on their minds, Sword Quest, because the company had promised $150,000 in prizes to four finalists. But the prizes disappeared, leading to one of the biggest controversies in 80s pop culture. I'm Jamie Loftus. Join me this spring for The Legend of Sword Quest. We'll follow the quest for lost treasure across four decades. Listen to The Legend of Swordquest on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're the hosts of The Bright Side, the podcast from Hello Sunshine that's guaranteed to light up your day.

Check out our recent episode with dancer, actress, and host of Dancing with the Stars, Julianne Hough, revealing the healing journey behind her new novel, Everything We Never Knew. I am showing up for my younger self and it is becoming a ripple effect energetically in my life and that's why I feel so safe now. Listen to The Bright Side from Hello Sunshine on the iHeartRadio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Kay hasn't heard from her sister in seven years. I have a proposal for you. Come up here and document my project. All you need to do is record everything like you always do. What was that? That was live audio of a woman's nightmare. Can Kay trust her sister? Or is history repeating itself?

There's nothing dangerous about what you're doing. They're just dreams.