The Daily Zeitgeist - With Arms Wide COVID, The Watergate of Pop-Tarts

Episode Date: October 26, 2021

In episode 1016, Jack and Miles are joined by podcaster and journalist and Joelle Monique to discuss DeSantis welcoming Anti-vaxx cops to Florida, business owners still scratching their heads, confused why the old ways don’t work, does it even matter if Strawberry Pop Tarts aren’t filled with real strawberries? and more!FOOTNOTES: DeSantis: Anti-vaxx cops WELCOME TO FLORIDA!  Business owners still scratching their heads, confused why the old ways don’t work Does it even matter if Strawberry Pop Tarts aren’t filled with real strawberries?  LISTEN: Rochelle Jordan - Already Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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In 1982, Atari players had one game on their minds, Sword Quest. Because the company had promised $150,000 in prizes to four finalists. But the prizes disappeared, leading to one of the biggest controversies in 80s pop culture. I'm Jamie Loftus. Join me this spring for The Legend of Sword Quest. We'll follow the quest for lost treasure across four decades. Listen to The Legend of Sword Quest on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 208, episode two of The Daily Zeitgeist, a production of iHeartRadio. Sharp-eared listeners will have heard my voice bounce off of

the exact contours of our studio. I'm back in studio. And Miles is not, so it doesn't really change anything. But this is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It is Tuesday, October 26, 2021. What are we looking at for World Days? Oh, it's Tuesday the 26th. Look, we've got a few.

It's National Mule Day. It's National Mincemeat Day. Say no more. National Financial Crime Fighter Day. Hell yeah. Yeah. International Artist Day. Yeah, okay.

According to my planner. I mean, I think we can all agree that mule and minced meat are the two that we can all focus on that are relevant to us all here in this modern world. And I guess the mule or the jack in your version, Jack, or a donkey. So yeah, this all swirls around. I do. Anytime someone mentions a mule, I correct them and say, no, it's a jack. Yeah. A male donkey's a jack. Yeah. Come on. Oh, I didn't realize a mule is a hybrid between a donkey and a horse. Yeah, yeah. And it's... Damn, I'm ignorant.

Okay. Unrep... Like, they can't reproduce, I don't think. But they are the minced meat of animals in the sense that nobody gives them their propers. I am embarrassing myself at the local 4-H club. Seriously. Not knowing what a mule is. But yeah, anyways, shout out to artists or whatever.

My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Making your way through Squid Games takes all the tubes you got. Living through late stage capitalism sure does suck a lot. Isn't it time to smoke a J? sure does suck a lot isn't it time to smoke a J sometimes you gotta know anti-vaxxers are

insane but there comes for sale again we can't believe the shit we see it's the same again and again we wanna be where capitalism dies in flames that is courtesy of chauncey yonders i'm detecting some agains in there so i'm thinking

chauncey as if the name wasn't enough chauncey may be from the uk but shout out to that man. And I am thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. I got these loose cans in my car, messing up my ride. Cans of Coke and Curl Brew. Loose cans in my car. I'm a ride with you. Cans of empty Curl Brew. Okay. Wow.

As I said, my car is a veritable maraca of empty cans uh passengers just don't worry about it you might i might as well be on a motorcycle because i'm not fitting shit in here but thank you pods for that just wonderful good as hell treatment of that yeah that was beautiful by the way i should mention that my aka was a rejected version of squid games. That was going to be their theme song, but they, I think they made the right decision. Really? Yeah.

I kind of like that. I like, yeah. Okay. That is pretty good. You know what I mean? Pretty good. But I do like a cheers.

I had, I had one goal was to get through some squid game this weekend and I did not succeed. I'm just I know I'm going to have this shit spoiled for me like any moment now. And usually I don't give a fuck about spoilers. Yeah, well, because we're in the phase of the discourse where now people are putting out their like analysis videos. Right. Yeah. As well, they should. This is my fault.

I'm not blaming anyone. This is on me. That's OK. You know, yeah. I'm not blaming anyone. This is on me. Look, you don't have to get mad. That's okay. You know, watch at your own pace. That's what I'm saying. I'm furious with myself. Miles, we are thrilled, fortunate, blessed to be joined in our third seat by one of the smartest people.

I know she's a producer here in the iHeartRadio LA podcast studio. Hey. Helping to create shows like Fake Doctors, Real Friends. Heard of that. She's a fabulous writer who you can read at sites like, I don't know, Vulture, The A.V. Club, Teen Vogue, Paste, The Advocate, and many more. She is the brilliant, the talented, Joelle Moniz! Hey! What's up, crew?

I miss your guys' faces. I know. We're back in little screen form today. what's new with you what's new with you oh man insecure is back so i feel fulfilled insecure to see back to like when social media was good you know i don't mean like altruistically good but i just mean like you went there and you dumped your feelings and we were able to make jokes and she was it was fun social media not fun no more and i don't like that but when it's gears on get a brief window people come on we're talking about the show live as it's happening remember when we used to do that oh it's wonderful yeah and it's kind of

like especially with this coming back with the final season i think it's also reminding people of like how tv should be and that it should be fucking released one week at a time the more i've i do i see the binge drops i'm like because i've been reading a few articles just about like the speed at which we communicate now because of the internet we are like we're sociologists i'm like are actually raising a question of like are we talking too much all the time yes and as a podcaster i can confirm yes 100 please let it stop but the idea that like we don't have the same flow of culture when you just do these huge binge drops because for one week you can have all this discussion about one episode for an entire week and then the next one drops and then people are sort of engaged in like the same pace whereas now like even with jack talking about squid game

it's all over the place now you're like fuck it do i have to watch anymore because i missed the wave like it's just it's chaos it's chaos yeah time to process used to be my bread and butter when i was writing for all of these sites and like you know you needed that time to really like break it down and and like it also helps elevate i think like our understanding of the quality of something the more you start like critiquing it the more reviews you're reading of it the more you're like okay where do i put this in i like the pantheon of television shows like where does it rank and we can miss that like squid game is amazing and i think obviously you know has drawn a lot of attention but in two to three years how will we remember that show i don't know yeah we're just gonna remember the sweatsuit yeah you know what i mean i don't think people are it because

if there were really long times to discuss one episode people could draw the parallels of the games to like what it's it's reflecting in society. Yes. Because of it, it's just super fast-paced. Like, oh, shit. Oh, that happened. Ah! And then it's just like a very long movie.

Yeah. Yeah, like all the... I was noticing that a lot of the memes were from the first episode, basically. Right. I was like, are they being... Are people being kind and choosing not to spoil, which that could be part of it.

But I also feel like it was just like, once it became a thing, people were like, oh shit, I gotta, I gotta get a squid game meme out there and just rushing to market. Now me, I like to live tweet things while I'm watching them. Mainly just, you know, what is happening on screen. I think that's good content. Just narrating it. Yeah. Just being like, oh, shit.

Like, sometimes not even telling them why I'm saying oh, shit. Oh, shit. Gi-hun going back. He going back to the game. Oh, wow. Oh, good thing the old man has some ramyeon noodles to eat with the soju. Okay. Oh, man.

This is the worst Twitter feed I've ever seen. I like to give a Magic Johnson style vanilla down the middle takes on pop culture as I'm consuming it. I think that is what Twitter is for. Joelle, we are going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, let's tell the listeners a few of the things we will be talking about later in the show when we get to the news. We're going to talk about DeSantis.

He is welcoming the anti-vax cops with open arms. Those brave heroes, the anti-vax cops, creating some of my favorite, just, you know, dramatic, messy content where they're like, these are the boots of our fallen brothers who refused to get the vaccine. So we'll talk about that. We'll talk about business owners kind of still trying to figure out what changed. What happened? We're used to starving people into doing what we asked them to do. They don't honor the old ways. Yes.

Only the new. We will talk about whether it matters if the strawberry Pop-Tarts are filled with real strawberries. We might get to this David Graeber book that's coming out about the re-evaluation of the narrative of history. But we do have to talk about Pop-Tarts before we get to that bullshit. Yeah, yeah. All of that. Plenty more. But first, of course, Joelle Monique. We do like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history?

I have been obsessively Googling the Bulls schedule, trying not to miss a game. My father and my brother are very excited about this season. We got some new players. It's hot. Undefeated. What? And it was sort of like a very weird comeback to the bulls because it's not even really about the basketball although you know i'm like oh fundamentals pass that ball like get it to the hoop maybe that's

an alley-oop i don't know but it gives me you know i'm uh my folks are from chic Chicago and growing up in the nineties, the Bulls were everything. My dad has been a Bulls fan for life. Doesn't matter what phase the team is in. He's ride or die. And something about watching it sort of feels like being reconnected to him. I think specifically because pandemic and I'm stuck in California and he's, you know, in Illinois and we're not getting to see each other much,

especially over the past, like you see my father for a handful of days over the past four years. So it's been hard. So it's nice to like have something that happens, you know, once, maybe twice a week where we're like sort of checking in, you know, about something very frivolous, too. It's not like, oh, I have news or something to update you on. And it's kind of been a lovely experience. Yeah. news or something to update you on and it's kind of been a lovely experience yeah that's also yeah and see that's like your tv show that you can watch with your dad where here's the episode is the game you have your takes and then yeah keep the conversation going oh man i wish it's it's

nice to see the the bulls you know uh looking good i'm not mad at that at all it's it's heavenly and yet to your point there's not a lot of intergenerational TV shows that are super hitting right now. You know, Game of Thrones used to be our check-in call. Right. After every, like, oh, did you see? I can't believe. And then he'd be like, who is this person? And I'd be like, okay, let me break it down for you.

This is what's going on. But now he can do that for me. Tell me the stats and where they're at and where they came from and why we're excited. It's lovely. That's nice. That is really nice. Yeah. Sports is great because it doesn't matter so much as long as you keep that in the back of your head as the reason sports is great it doesn't matter it doesn't matter this doesn't matter this doesn't matter yeah because otherwise i just i love sports i i can't stand sports media

it just gets very, very frustrating. I'm not trying to have another, like, Rumble in the Palace. You know, ready to go and, like, seeing the big brawls. Right, right. Oof. What is something you think is overrated, Joelle? Okay, here we go. Instagram Reels.

Highly overrated. Wow. Please just post to your story. If there's the same 16 songs and worse than that it's the same five second clips from those 16 songs over and over and over again and they've tricked me because it's got the same scroll as a twitter and so i'm like i gotta what's next and then like half an hour later i'm like why am i still looking i don't care about i don't know these people because they're showing me randoms i I very rarely care because I keep her like, here's like white women from middle America

doing something like, well, I don't care about any of these people. Like, where are my friends? What's happening? It is a effed up system that Facebook created so that like young people would continue to interact with their content at a high frequency because they know the influencers were like, they changed up the algorithm. They were like, listen, you got to post, i think it's like twice to your story and three or four times to your reel over so many days and that's how it's going to keep your numbers up and activated and your numbers are how you get paid

but real suck like they're not enjoyable to watch 85 of the time and i wish we could end them but they're addictive and so i don't think they're going to go away it's that was just their response to be like okay we need a little bit longer form thing to compete with tiktok right and but then you're like you're saying it's like the same how many times am i gonna hear that paramore still into you drill remix i don't want it when it's like i should be over all the butterflies like yeah but then it's a drill remix that's okay wait so i'm not i'm not familiar but is is they got the rights to these songs and like there's no no handful that oh oh you're just saying that like it's like in tiktok there's like you know there's certain songs that they'll put with a video trope

and it just becomes like the the theme the texture yeah i uh so i don't fuck with instagram that much but stay away from it you thought of it like a real like person in the industry like so they got rights and clearances to those audio to be presented and publicly you're like hold on jack we're not working that would be a funny angle for them to take them where they're like our product is the same but it's you know these 60 songs that we got the rights to we secured happy birthday so you know nah it's like because i got tiktok it's flagrant you know what i mean let's do anything but then there's also a bunch of cool remixes that you hear on there too yeah for sure but the twitter algorithm had this story about i just want to give you a direct quote but it was like about zendaya and uh or zendaya and

timothy chalamet yeah chalamet and it like it just stayed in my trending for like four days and i don't know if it's still there but it's it will not they will not leave me alone with this shit and i'm just wondering like what they what they think they're getting so the story is timothy chalamet called zendaya out for her relationship with tom holland and it's peak bestie dude that's like from nine days ago i feel like i saw that in the margins of twitter like last week yeah yeah no it was it was last week for sure but it was it was following me around twitter for like days and like i i don't know like what what do they think again i really think it's a in a attempt to get a younger generation to interact more with the app because if you like zendaya and timothy are sort of the not dating equivalent of justin and britney

from a previous generation like they're insanely gorgeous they are everywhere everyone wants to be them everyone's copying their styles you know there's and then if you throw into the mix everyone's sort of like well what's tom holland thing like he's not on the carpets what does it mean and tom holland was it's just, I think it's, these are essential. And somebody made a good point the other day that Zendaya is the only movie star for this generation. As far as box office appeal, people that are coming back to enjoy Zendaya over and over again.

I just think these are the people of the moment and everybody's doing whatever they can to be as close to them as possible. Right. Interesting. But again, Senator O'Brien, this hearing was about Instagram Reels. We will get to your attention why that story on Twitter was in your margins, but that's for a different year. I'm just saying, you own Finsta.

Why don't you sell me Finsta then, if it's not such a big part of your business product? Sell me three of them. Sell me three Finstas and we'll be square. Yeah, I think that's a good point. I think Twitter is bad at this, which is probably the reason it appeals to me so much is like they suck at targeting me. Like I never feel like, ah, they got me with this one. Nope, never. Yeah, it's just like they have this this buzzfeed story that they're getting good

sort of feedback on from people across america and they're like come on this guy this guy's gonna fucking love this it says peak bestie let's go read anything twitter feels like it's intentionally designed for like 30 to 50 year olds in the same way that facebook now feels like it's designed for like 50 to 80 year olds. And I like being in my group. I like hanging out here. We're just like words, opinions, half funny joke. Good night. Yeah.

I don't have the, I don't have the energy to dance. That's for the young kids on. I don't have time to learn all the new dances. God bless them. Like go for it. I did the stanky leg in my day. Shout out to, shout out to insecure for reminding me that existed you know it's cool right right exactly they got me out here doing drill moves in front

of my ma's doing shit on the street oh my knees can't handle it joel what is something you think is underrated okay hear me out ad breaks in television shows so i've been re-watching season three of you which is on netflix formerly on lifetime where you need ad breaks because that's how they're paying the bills netflix does not require them and so therefore not necessary but they're like we're just going to stick to that old format and there's something exquisite about a show being like this is a good place to pause like we designed this for you to step away it we were talking about streaming and and the impact that has had on you know our ability to focus and how it impacts our like consuming

of what potentially like really great shows but they go by so fast i think there's something it's truly wonderful about just being able to be like i'm just gonna pause here or even okay now take a breath like you can set up a scene you know from like a writer's perspective an entirely different space like a time jump works really well if you've built in and now we're going to commercial break whether you take that break or not and i think we don't really think about those anymore you know especially in the streaming world where every episode is again you know a movie essentially i really liked it i liked being able to be like and i'm gonna pause and grab a snack this is a bathroom break pause it was just uh there's something about it that makes i don't know if it's a nostalgia thing or if it's i just genuinely prefer the flow

but i liked it yeah i think there's also like you know we lose things like remember you should be like if with your parents to be like okay let me just to the commercial and then i'll do that thing you know like let me okay let me just get to the commercial break and i'll call you back type things we've that's like a whole thing we don't do anymore but yeah like to your point about writing i see it in like other shows too where they'll be like on streaming services like i think the other two still does it too like on hbo max where they still have like commercial breaks and i'm like that's right that's kind of like a trope like within tv shows or just this this thing that you need that like you're saying it doesn't create like very jarring time jumps or things like that or just it gives you

little you know punctuation i like and and to be fair i think there's things like game of thrones would never need you you don't need to go to commercial break like yeah we're strapped in for this entire experience let's rock but i think if you have a show that sort of lends itself to that there's there's it's almost like chapters which is like a very essential part of you the main characters are obsessed with books and so there's like a feeling of like this chapter this chapter this chapter book end i just think it's a great framing device and what i'm saying is if you write for streaming shows maybe consider does this framing device elevate my storytelling okay right right yeah i like that somebody being obsessed with books like that feels like quaint and like a quirky character

decision like this guy's really into these things books y'all remember that he fixes listen jack if it is women are turned on by the serial killer they don't know how to process it it's it's a lot he fixes old books he restores them to perfection if you're a book girl bench spines or like when people were like oh just dog ear the page used to freak me out as a child like what it's a book it's precious what do you have to be gentle with it i had a friend much more obsessed with books than i was who would force everyone to wash their hands like properly before you picked up any of her books dead serious about it books are a love language if you pay attention okay

so it's like a next level it's not like i read these things called books no he takes care of them because it's the only thing he can connect with because he lives in a fantasy world because he's a serial killer yes i'm into him already you would be i know i've seen him uh dan from gossip girl come on yes perfect yeah he was like supposed to be the like kind of sensitive dorky one and gossip girl and he's like the best looking dude on the like it's like uh-huh debatable but yes right i mean he's pretty good looking guy to be like the dork but it's their own we don't want to kick off a whole debate because you've seen jack's binder he brings to class with the transparent outside filled with his pen badgley

collages oh my gosh yeah and to be fair i also have some of the other uh actors from yeah yeah i love it so it's not just pen basil but he definitely gets i know i just don't want people to think that i'm only into pen no one does jack we said that all right well good and that restraining order i get it mere miscommunication between the police department the superior court and pen basil's management i think it's his way of like sending a message to me it's like his love language is by making these complaints, but the complaints are actually like flirting kind of. Yeah.

Anyways. Oh, get away from me. Like get at least 500 yards away from me. If you read it with the right tone, he's definitely into me. All right, let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. This summer, the nation watched as the Republican nominee for president was the target of two assassination attempts separated by two months.

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B.C.? I didn't realize how old the hot dog was. Listen to Hungry for History as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. All right. Let's talk about Ron DeSantis, Greg Abbott, the conservative shit bag off that we have been waiting for continues just going toe to toe on who can be the shittiest governor in America. And Ron is making some serious moves. Yeah, he's making kissy face at the anti-vax crowd because he's letting people know you know over the weekend he announced that i want to make this place a haven for unvaccinated cops and first responders

i want them to know that florida is a place that will accept them and accept them with arms wide covid and this dude just listen to his plan. He announces like his really awesome incentive plan to bring anti-vax to Florida and how cool he is. Well, first, I think it's hard to point out on a scientific basis, most of those first responders have had COVID and have recovered. So they have strong protection. And so I think that influences their decision on a lot of this, that they have already had it recovered. And so they're making no accommodations for that. They're still pretending like that doesn't even exist. And so that's really, really troubling when you see that. But I can tell you, Maria, in Florida, not only are we going to want to

protect the law enforcement and all the jobs, we're actually actively working to recruit out of state law enforcement because we do have needs we're actually actively working to recruit out-of-state law enforcement because we do have needs in our police and our sheriff's departments. So in the next legislative session, I'm going to hopefully sign legislation that gives a $5,000 bonus to any out-of-state law enforcement

that relocates in Florida. So NYPD, Minneapolis, Seattle, if you're not being treated well, we'll treat you better here. You can fill important needs for us and we'll compensate you as a result can fill important needs for us and we'll compensate you as a result hell yeah oh sick dude yeah i don't want to call desantis a hero but wow what a magnet get these cops out of here i feel like the best thing to do is some other

space needs to be like black and brown citizens of florida will offer you five thousand dollars to escape like come up here you know everything is up from florida so wherever that means to you like come up here we'll give you a little money like you don't have to worry about it you can help build beautiful communities away from what you've been thinking about leaving anyway honestly yeah you're black and brown you've contemplated it he did he's done it all with this that little soundbite there he came out swinging with a debunked myth that anyone who has covid is already immune no need for a vaccine because you've already got it yeah why why are they so scared of the vaccine then is it if they've already had it and the vaccine is, I mean, even he's had the vaccine. Right.

And it's this like really just in your face, double speak that no one in the base is willing to confront. They're like, but Donald Trump, all y'all are vaccinated, but then saying don't. What? So where does that put me?

Am I a pawn in this game? I don't know. I may be, but yeah, he goes off with that myth. Then he really just truly wants to make himself the patron saint of anti-vaxxers and Florida be the church in that, like, you know, just saying, come, come through because I'll also do the thing true to form to

any Republican conservative. I have to do the exact opposite of what a lib would do. And I think in this case, maybe he's doing the opposite of de blasio who was giving 500 to people to get to workers who got vaccinated so in this time he's like i'll give you 5 000 to not get vaccinated leave your job and come here still haven't signed the bill yet so don't move immediately but it's also you're like wow you you could just find $5,000 for a group of people just like that, huh? Yeah. Amazing. Interesting.

What would that do to a state if just all the, first of all, cops, second of all, the ones who refuse to get vaccinated, like all moved to a single state? Yeah. That would be, I mean, there's that Stallone movie Copland that just paints a picture of, you know, a paradise, a utopia of just cops living with cops, running, running everything. And maybe there's a little corruption, but, you know, it's worth it because you get to be with cops. Yeah. I mean, you know, he's definitely trying to put together his, like, infinity stones for re-election. He's like, I've got racists. I've got some MAGA people. I'm about to collect the anti-vax stone. And then I'll need QAnon.

And I will make a mighty fist to fucking swing through my re-election. make a mighty fist to fucking swing through my reelection. The most unaccountable people in the country, you know, cops who get mad when you even watch a video of them unjustifiably murdering someone and ask what they were doing. And then the ones who refuse to get the vaccine on top of that is what, what a boost to, to the state of Florida. Can you imagine a ton of people just moving like bankrupts the state?

They're like, Oh fuck man. Well, not everybody at once. Oh shit. Okay. So we don't have 5,000, but here,

here's a, here's a little gift card to Publix. Plus I feel like every cop wants to end up in Florida anyway. Like I feel like he might be, you know, he might be, you know, right. Whether Miami vice best lives or, you know, there's a lot of cops who go down there and retire. I don't know. Right. Just, just seems like he's gonna, he's gonna, there's gonna be a lot of takers. That's already, you can see that New York times piece. These,

these unvaccinated police officers moved to Florida in hopes of attaining their Miami Vice dreams. What they found was the opposite. What they found will shock you. These are humans, too. All right. Let's talk about just there seems to be some confusion as to what's happening among business owners. You know, After unemployment benefits were cut a few months ago, we got to witness American culture just kind of go into shock. The logic was, if people have no financial support in a pandemic, then they will have no choice but to return to employers and accept the meager wages, the gruel more, sir. And it turns out that that has not happened. And everyone's like, what the heck?

Even the New York Times is like, this worker shortage is really fucking Biden. It's happening every time. From the beginning of talking about lessening or lowering the subsidies or like unemployment benefits that were extended to people, it's always been like, this is going to, you know, the hopes are that more people enter the workforce. It didn't happen the first time, the second time, even in September, when they took away the $300. We're still, the analysis is out there now, still nothing has changed. there now still nothing has changed absolutely nothing has changed and you know i i guess this like cruelty first form of policy making is not having the intended effect oh look at that so you

just look at certain states right in states that cut the 300 check the workforce which is the number of people who either have a job or looking for one has risen no more than it has in the states that maintained the payment so eek uh-oh so we just took people's money away and it's still not forcing them back to work and you know they've shown in some places that like the overall workforce actually shrank that month where they cut off the payment so it went the complete opposite way there wasn't even an uptick there's people like oh absolutely not. Then fuck it. Because the whole thing is we're not being paid enough to subject ourselves to whatever it is, the shitty work environments, the hard labor, or just maybe the risk of being infected with COVID, just not even arising to a level that is worth it. And then you've seen in even some states, there were like less people working than

before. Quote, in Wyoming, fewer people are in the workforce now than when the state cut off all emergency jobless aid. Fear of contracting COVID likely discouraged some people from seeking jobs. Wyoming has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the country and has been a COVID-19 hotspot since the late summer. The surge in infections may be causing some parents to keep their children home. So no matter which way you look at it, turning the cruelty up to 5 million isn't going to force people back to work. And it's odd because every time you'll see these analyses

from banks and stuff being like, oh, quite the opposite seemed to have happened. Huh? Weird. Yeah. Yeah, forecasters are really flummoxed. I feel like I've seen that headline like a number of times. I feel like there's a whole bunch of contributing factors for like the American workforce being like, you know, I'm just like on top of I'm not interested

in contracting a deadly virus on top of you know, the way we've been treated as workers is ridiculous like the advent of the internet and allowing us like an opportunity to create our own companies and develop money that way i think it's changed a lot of people's a lot of people are just like i'm just gonna go for my dream like i could die tomorrow it's very scary out there i might as well try to stand in my i could also die at my walmart job so and i won't have been respected there at all and i wouldn't have enough to make ends meet either way so why don't i just like consolidate my family a lot of families are moving back in together and be like we can cover our bills together as a family and make it stretch and i

think on top of that you have an an entire, like as the millennium generation becomes the like, you know, dominant force in the workforce. There's a lot of us, you know, I remember in college, I got in trouble senior year, I was a mentor. And we had a panel of professionals come in and they were like, make sure you become an intern, it's going to be vital to your career later on that you had a good internship early you know puffy would ride the train every morning like three hours to get in and work and i you know i was a cocky college kid so i spoke up i was like yeah okay but make sure you're getting training i was like make sure that you're getting training i was like if you're working for free

you need to make sure that you're getting proper training. Don't just be taking out the trash to say you worked at a company that's not going to help you. And of course, this panel of professionals looked at me like I was absolutely nuts. And a lot of the kids too were like, well, how is that going to work? But when I entered the workforce and they were like, you have to intern for free in New York, I have no money saved. My parents can't afford a New York apartment. There's just so many things that we couldn't even conceive of accepting because there wasn't a way to do that. You know what I mean? There was not a way to participate. And so now I think a lot of us and the next kids coming up are like, you know, what is the point of working for, you know, especially if you're like a waiter, like your little 425 or whatever, an hour in hopes of making ends meet when you could be, you know, have good mental health and be at home and try to be your own boss at least.

And try and take a breath to figure out what you want to do, because the chaos of being in a survival job, it's very hard to try and disengage to then switch gears to how can I better myself? Do you, how are you going to have time to go on an interview if you have to max your hours out to pay your bills? It's just, it's like, it becomes an impossible game. And I think just by giving people a little bit of flexibility in that has just given people the ability to take a second, like, wait, do I want to do this? And in fact, maybe there is, I have time to look at other things that are possible. I mean, even if you look at like minimum wage jobs like a lot of times your ability to schedule the holidays off i remember working a job in college that wasn't paying hardly any bills and they were like you're gonna have to work like four of the major holidays like you could have

maybe christmas off maybe thanksgiving off i don't know, maybe New Year's, whatever the deal was. But otherwise, you have to be working in on the floor. And I saw a text chain going around today, just like in picture form, where a boss was like, listen, someone just got fired. So you're gonna have to come in for Thanksgiving. I'm like, well, you can fire my ass too. I'm not coming in on a holiday. You really want to go down that road? They're like, try me.

Right, exactly. What is the point of breaking ourselves for companies that truly don't care one way or the other will honestly replace us in a matter of hours you know in order to keep the structure hold up hold up that was an interesting point that robin panankea pointed out in wonkette as it relates to this is that like you know the she's sort of pointing at the great recession still sort of lingering in a lot of workers heads. Especially if you were of working age at that time, there were no fucking jobs. You would have fucking done anything to get a job, myself included. And that actually gave a huge advantage to employers to say, well, look, it's a recession, man.

I can't the fuck you're going to you're going to ask me for that much money. You're going to ask me for fair wage. it's a recession, man. I can't. The fuck are you going to ask me for that much money? You're going to ask me for fair wage. It's a recession. And that momentum allowed employers to keep wages low. And also a lot of people were still in that mindset, like the trauma of the recession being like, I don't know, man, because my job fucking vanished in a second. So that sort of lingering stress also contributes to people accepting these situations as well, because we're still kind of like, fuck, that's right. That's still kind of in the back of my head is like how I was completely set back by the recession. But, you know, it's it there's still despite the economy

recovering, a lot of employers like, well, come on now, don't make me turn the wages up just because the economy is better than when I was first offering these pittances and they asked you know they asked the entire population to ignore what was revealed like it was never the great recession was basically these massive capitalist institutions being revealed to be fucking shell games like just unequivocally and then the government gave them the money to bail them out instead of the the people who they had victimized like and that that's just like that that's not something that people can ignore like that that the fact that that is not being brought up as like huh i wonder if that has something to do with why people have completely lost faith in this system and institution where like we're supposed to let the fucking market decide when the market has been revealed to be a rigged game that, you know, is only benefiting these massive institutions and victimizing like most of the population and they just you know they just hope that we

ignore that and it's like the people aren't stupid like they can't ignore that it's impossible for them to it's just a difference in realities right the for people who are you know the massive business owning class they're so insulated by their wealth they're not experiencing the same business owning class, they're so insulated by their wealth, they're not experiencing the same external existential factors that motivate a person that someone who is in their employ would, you know, because if you're a millionaire, the concept of paying your bills has not been a reality for you for some time. The idea that like everything's on auto pay, you have an accountant or whatever, like there's no that dimension of toil is completely abstracted to that person. And then on another, but they're still applying their sort of worldview to a group of people who is feeling every single external factor and not willing to be like, oh, right, there's a whole other set of factors that affects them. my stupid evil genius calculus is malfunctioning at the moment because i'm operating from a reality that isn't being reflected in the data set i'm trying to manipulate so i think the american

people have been asked to sacrifice like a lot especially i would say maybe of the last like since the late 90s it's been like oh well you, I mean, if I specifically were to look at like 9-11, like, listen, you have to sacrifice some securities, some liberties, this idea of personal freedom in an attempt to like make your country safe. And then later it was like, well, we're all going through the recession. Like, we'll all tighten our bootstraps and we'll help our neighbor and it'll be fine. And America is one of the most giving as far as like when it comes to charities like we're the one of most charitable countries on the planet like we're constantly giving money and i think as we've looked at like what we've had sacrificed versus what we're getting later it's it's not been equitable for most people for most people there's been nothing coming out of that sacrifice except

the same wages for the past like 15 years i mean remember when we're like a minimum wage has got to be like at least one of them we were like it was supposed to be this much five ten years ago but we'll accept it now it's just it's been an exhausting slug just for any kind of decent pay you know we keep and it's wild to me to keep looking back to the 60s and being like look at what money could buy you then like look at what like one contributing household member could give to a family and we haven't had any of that in a very long time that is equal to it most people can't afford you know a two-bedroom apartment on their salary you know most of us are either living with a partner and

splitting bills that way or or you know roommates whatever the situation may be so i think people are just tired of having to sacrifice and get nothing and there's seems at least from my you know very liberal i live in los angeles california point of view to be a lot of folks turning to each other and like how can we help and just make our little situation more livable? Yeah. Yeah. Your point about families consolidating, like people looking more to community, I think is a really interesting development because that, you know, I think broadly, like the more that we see this story developed, the more we see America treat their population like enemy combatants. Like, you know, there's the we've talked about Foucault's boomerang, which is like when empire goes like uses all these new tools of war in countries that they're occupying, but then they

come back home and they're used on the population, the citizens at home. So we're seeing that, that the police generally just treat, you know, police communities that they aren't a part of and treat them as enemy combatants. I mean, America, this strategy, like when you look at what this strategy is, it's trying to starve them out, like trying to starve out people who are like in quarantine because of a global pandemic. And that, you know, at some level that is making its way into people's minds. And so, you know, I think the system is headed for a fall and people are starting to ask like what what is next like the there's this book about the history of debt that i'm reading by david graber where he talks about how all of economics is built on this assumption that like economies and money replaced barter systems where

like one person had a cow and the other person had like knives and like it's just this wildly inefficient thing and the mistake that people make that the economists are making is they're assuming that everything is just these individual actors and not like what actually happened was there were these vast communities that work together to collect resources and, you know, help one another. And the absence of community seems to have been like something that is just making like the country socially like ill in a lot of ways and like leading to some of the movements that we're seeing on social media that are, you know, very misguided. And it's something that I... Yeah, altruism has completely vanished.

Right. I think it's something that we're seeing. Well, it's out there. It's just harder to see because it's not happening on the internet. Like, there's... Do you guys know about the Fridge Project? Mm-hmm. Like community fridges. It's like one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen. Like, there's just no... Like, the idea of, like, a bit a small business usually who's like listen we'll pay for the electricity for this fridge prop it up outside people who have a

little extra money buy a couple extra groceries you know try to make it some fresh produce something delicious pop it in the fridge and whoever needs it no questions asked you don't have to check in you don't have to sign it out there is no you have to explain yourself just come and take what you need and then keep it pushing and the community will do its best to try to provide for those who don't have i think that's like and it's happening all over the united states i just think it's like there's a lot of like little pockets of these really beautiful community efforts and i think we'll probably continue to see more of that you know for as long as businesses try to hold out um mutual aid is just going to

be a necessity at a certain point rather than like something people who have the foresight to do to to like support people in their community and it's like it's going to have to be how some people are going to survive and yeah i mean more to say that altruism there's clearly a there's a subsection of society where altruism does not exist it's not something that interests them and it seems very well defined like you can just say oh this is this is like the anti-altruism people like there there's nothing that they owe any fucking body yeah yeah wait i i'm just calling a shot here that the uh right or you know even the center will find a way to like create a story where communal fridges are being like targeted by thieves who are or people who are like basically the welfare queen equivalent of the communal fridge where they'll be like they're

yeah they're they're opening their own grocery stores because that's how much that undercuts what is at stake. You know, it's funny. People try that angle already because you'll see it in stories where people will ask, not trying to create that narrative like, oh, are you worried about people taking stuff they don't need? And most people who are like run these fridges or like behind these organizations are like, no, not I'm not worried about that at all. If someone has to take food, that's I'm grateful that there's a place for them to do that. And I'm it only reminds it should only fill other people with gratitude that they don't have to go to a

community fridge to survive. So it's moot to even consider what happens after that, because it's not like you got like, Oh man, we got all these freshly cultivated truffles from Italy. Like, you know what I mean? It's like, it's fucking just,

it's, it's, it's food to sustain people. There's not like, you know, Pokemon cards that you could flip for thousands of dollars in there. I actually have to run to my community fridge. I just,

I just realized that I shouldn't have put those Pokemon cards in there. That didn't run to my community fridge uh i just realized that i shouldn't have put those pokemon cards in there that didn't make sense yeah the yeah it's just so counter to the the core logic like like we we talked about on an episode last week that like the mainstream media was covering the hell out of this story about Walgreens being victimized by like systemic shoplifting. Yeah. And so Walgreens, like the story they'd rather tell than the story of communal fridges is the story of how a corporation is being victimized in quotes by a fucking person who is in such desperate need that they're you know stealing from them i'm like that that's what america like goes for it's the same thing happened with target a few months ago and then it came out that target was you know responsible for

all of this wage theft which is something that stores monitor so heavily they're like you got to go to the bathroom before you clock in or it's wage theft you're like i don't think that's correct actually i'm here we don't pay you to pee right exactly you got time lean you got time can i think for two seconds before i move on to my next task like all of those i mean i worked old navy i worked in amc i worked so many like bomb, like make nothing, but you know, they need everything out of you. And you need to constantly be on call

and be ready to show up whenever. And it's all about, it's exhausting. And I'm glad people are saying no to it. I'm glad we're seeing, you know, a number of people try to unionize like across a whole bunch of different workforces. Like it's been beyond time that you know workers try to get the protections and the wages that you know they need yeah one thing

that i just want to add is like i feel like when people talk about crime especially people who are so critical about like this stuff is i can't believe they're shoplifting a thing they never engage in is to ask why they don't shoplift right you know and go down that road and ask oh i can't believe that well i'm like well i don't you don't shoplift no oh my god i would never do that why probably because they say because i have everything i need right right and then you have to go so huh what's the real problem here you think is it that people are just shoplift because if if you're saying you're not shoplifting because you have everything you need,

presumably you're saying people who have nothing shoplift, right? You're acknowledging that? So then let's go down that road rather than, man, Walgreens, though. They're having to offset some of their financial liability by closing stores, but we'll spin it as this massive shoplifting conspiracy. Yeah.

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and they fall into some feel like histrionic lawsuits. Yeah. And others maybe. And sometimes certain lawsuits do read like, oh, this person is actually mad. This is not real cookies and cookie crisp. But in this instance, this is all around the frosted strawberry Pop-Tart, I think, is a staple thing you grow up eating is a Pop-Tart. I barely ever toasted them. I just, you would just take that foil pack. Just eat them raw? Oh, no. Oh, yeah.

I'm nasty. Because sometimes it would get too hot or the bottom will get burnt. And then I'm like, fuck, I'm not eating a burnt Pop-Tart. I remember. I think that's what happened. You used two of those instead of four, Miles. You get that perfect toasted one that's in the center. No, it was like typical, like, hardcore mom shit where my mom made a Pop-Tart.

And I was like, this is kind of burnt on the bottom. She's like, then you do it yourself. And I'm like, I will. Cut to me never toasting them because I don't respect the effort my mother put into even trying to fucking toast a Pop-Tart. But in this instance, in the Southern District of Illinois, plaintiff Anita Harris, quote, alleges that Kellogg's claims about its frosted strawberry Pop- Plaintiff Anita Harris, quote, alleges that Kellogg's claims about its frosted strawberry Pop-Tarts are misleading since, quote,

they give consumers the impression the fruit filling contains a greater relative and absolute amount of strawberries than it does. The filing goes on to state that despite strawberries being the product's, quote, characterizing ingredient on the actual ingredients list, dried strawberries don't get a mention

until the contains 2% or less section. get it and you know and then they go on quote based on a quantitative estimate and analysis of the filling it appears to or may even contain more non-strawberry fruit than strawberry ingredients to give consumers the false impression that the product contains a greater absolute and relative amount of strawberries than it does. It contains red 40, a synthetic food coloring made from petroleum. Red 40 makes the strawberry pear apple combination look bright red like it is only strawberries or has more strawberries than it does. I mean, this is like the Watergate of Pop-Tarts, I guess. I mean, more than anything, I just think of like america hello we've been eating processed food since forever and i hope people out there don't believe that it's all just

like organic mushed up strawberries in your very cheap pop tarts that's not what's happening i have so many thoughts like for one obviously american American food IQ is very low and I think it's lower. The lower your wages are, right? The, the less money you have to spend at the grocery store, the less you have experimenting with new food. Yeah.

Or you're in a food desert because of that. And your options are truly limited to these things in a box. Yeah. Right. These pre-packaged items. food desert because of that and your options are truly limited to these things in a box yeah right these pre-packaged items and so the idea that it's like definitely silly to read because it's like have you tasted a pop-tart there's nothing authentic about what's happening in your mouth as you eat the pop-tart cinnamon sugars were my bag then i knew what was happening in there okay it's not even it they didn't grind up like fresh cinnamon sticks and it's no um i also understand this idea of feeling tricked like when

i first started learning about food which is like mid-college of like what's in this and how do i prepare it and and what goes into all of these things like it was like a mind freak it was just like how how have i been eating and and And what does the future look like for me? Because now I have this knowledge, but I have no money to correct what I'm consuming. I have to continue to eat these terrible things just because that's what is within my financial bracket. And so I get where Miss Anita is coming from. She's frustrated. She wanted some strawberries.

She's trying to give her kids a healthy breakfast. You know, cereal companies lied. They told her it was part of a complete breakfast it's just sugar yeah where did she go don't look into the founder of kellogg's too much no don't yeah he would not like where his company has ended he's very frustrated by it listen to the behind the bastards mr kellogg yeah but yeah i mean i and i that's why i'm like uh i understand like that's why some things really feel like this is this can be this is how i feel you know like this is this Yeah. filers that were around a couple years ago who would just like go around like i'm suing you for this like this ramp's not here or you could settle out of court you know what i mean like just kind of trying to just get a quick settlement but in this sense more than like anita in her case or pop tarts it's just like sort of this interesting thing that a lot of people still like hold in

their minds that like it's like it could all be fake to cut corners to maximize profits for the company that's making the food while putting all these really nice graphics on the box. And that's where I'm kind of like, I want to do your own Vax research crowd. Please bring this energy to the food you're eating because you might very quickly be like, oh, my God. Or they're going to be like, I love petroleum based food. Yeah. I had one thing that the food lawsuits are generally something that similar to the shoplifting story that we talked about before the break that people like the American like shared consciousness tends to side with McDonald's over the person whose coffee like burnt them. And it turns out like the, when you read the actual details of that story, the woman who sued McDonald's for spilling hot coffee on herself, like that's the way the story is told to us. And the truth is that it was dangerously hot, something that they had,

like she had lifelong damage. Yeah, something they had, you know, articulated in paperwork. This, yeah, this lawsuit gets at something like, yeah, Joelle, you know, you were red 40 pilled when you read about like what actually goes into the food food and it's something that we like a lot of times don't have the the money to do anything about or the the like i guess in my case the characterizing ingredient of frosted strawberry pop tarts are the different colored little sugar specks in the icing oh yeah like i'm like that's really what i'm what i'm going for here is this should taste oh yeah a strawberry sundae i would cut the edges off sometimes oh yeah i'd be like i just want all frosting brights all frosting bites or i like trim off the sides mom's like what the what the hell are you doing? I'm like, I want the good part. The sugar.

I absolutely. And they're not strawberries. Mom, don't try and tell me. It's candy. And also, Joelle, I don't often hear the cinnamon sugar one shouted out as much as it should be. That one is such a great pop-tart. Did you like the s'mores one?

No, I don't like marshmallows. Oh, just in general. I thought it was solid. Yeah yeah i was on the s'mores one for a minute yeah yeah yeah i was on the s'mores one as a kid but strawberry was that felt just like the the crowd pleaser joint but i guess the way i look at it too is i think i would always i think as my mom with her like post-world war i Japan diet. It was very like, you know, rural, like, you know, you're eating like food that you're making or cultivating

and things like that. So when she was raising me, I would always be like, that's just all, it's all fake food. It's all fake. I'm like, yeah, but it's good, mom. And the kids won't make fun of me if I know what this is, okay?

Please help me. I'm trying to assimilate. But they're also like, I think in my mind, I've always been like, okay, I know I'm going to assimilate but they're also like i think in my mind i've always been like okay i know i'm gonna be eating some things that aren't healthy and i'm always just kind of balancing out like knowing what knowing how much fake food you eat and then get your vegetables and then you find a balance i am not a nutritionist that's right have me speak at your school joelle what uh can you hit us briefly with uh you your

thoughts on you season three and like because i do i see this all over the place i see the i see the feedback that this is a cultural phenomenon that all i so uh before we started recording i was like yeah isn't it about a relationship? And you revealed to me it's about a serial killer. So, yes. Looking for love. Nailed it. Joe Goldberg is the main character of you. And if season one was about discovering that a lot of romantic tropes are actually toxic and coming to terms with that.

And season two was about flipping the script and what happens when joe meets a toxic woman who's also willing to become a serial killer for his love then season three is about what is it like to be in if when two people are in toxic relationship with one another and they're trying like they're really trying to make this marriage work but neither one of them is in it for anything like the right reasons they're in it for the look they're in it for the baby they've just had they're in it because it's a logical next step it's what you're supposed to do this show's ability to imprint modern romantic ideation onto a serial killer is bananas it's so sarah gamble is in her bag for this and she has done so much great tv she did the magicians before this i think she

was a writer on supernatural before she's been in the game for a very long time she's extremely talented and there's something so spectacular about this show because what i've seen a little bit here and there and something that i can easily identify is like i love joe so much like understanding that he's a terrible person but for the character you're still sort of rooting for him to succeed because they're constantly reflecting on his childhood trauma how did he become this? And he has this lie he keeps telling himself, which is like, I'm going to get better and I don't have to do this. No, you know, Joe's not going, he's not going to break this habit

because he's not really doing anything, but he wants to. If you're in therapy, you might be able to identify. You feel like I'm really trying to change. I'm aware of my patterns. Part one is becoming aware. Yes, exactly. And you're like, I'm really, I'm gonna, today, I'm not going to make the same bad choices I made yesterday. My behavioral therapist and I

are working really hard at it. But I need, I need, what if I just a little bit of it just to get me through, you know, the next couple of days. No bludgeoning today. No bludgeoning today. It's going to be fine. It's going to be good. This is the first, like watching Joe B with a woman who, again, in the same boat of, I'm going to change my behaviors that I'm more aware and really not doing anything to fix the problem. But watching me marry to her and seeing her struggle and try to do all the things that like women who have just become mothers who are tired, who are no longer feeling they're like young, powerful, sexy selves who are like, how do I make, you you know myself a good partner to this person and him just being like now i'm fixated on a new girl oh it was right right it was so hard it was such a challenge i was like joe what are you doing like she's really trying i mean she's genuinely terrible and you guys should not be together but she's trying like you try now and it's awful but

it's so good i'm intrigued you would love it uh if you're into literary references there are maybe nine an episode like really strong fun good literary references the structure of it is incredible the writing is powerful all of the performances out of this world this season the smallest smallest. You skip ahead 10 seconds. The new girl is just attracted to bad men. And there's someone who's been in that boat. Like, there are just types of characters and tropes that you don't generally get to explore and live in. And I think especially today, because a lot of people are like, we need likable people. We need good people on the show because that's what we

like and to be fair there's a lane for that ted lasso was in that lane the good place was in that lane these are people who are genuinely want to be good human beings and i love it but i'm also very much pro evil person is the lead and i just i love for the evil guy yeah i love rooting for the evil person just because life is hard and most of us are not trying to be evil and so it's a little bit cathartic to watch somebody who's like, eff it, I'm going to just be terrible. I don't care. I'm embracing my

evil side and this show does that so well while also exploring, I think, what is it to try to be in a romantic relationship in modern times and does it in a way that's so much better than like 90 other prison shows that are mostly about the people ending up together still sort of stuck in that fairy tale ideal. This blows that apart. There is no fairy tale here.

That's always a good sign. Like, and that's also really that's why I'm the same. I love shows where you find yourself rooting for the bad guy and that's born out of just tremendously fantastic next level writing because you can't do a show like that and have bad writing and when you're like dude this show is so fucked it's like so problematic the narrative doesn't even make sense but when you have this like you're saying like this guy's a fucking serial killer yeah but you kind of you're rooting for him you want him to find love i'm like oh i can that means they're setting it you're setting for him. You want him to find love. I'm like, oh, that means they're setting the table right. It's a hot mess, but in the best way.

That's why I like Squid Game. Because despite ourselves, we all find ourselves rooting for that rich guy in the black mask who set the whole thing up. Yeah. What episode are you on, man? They just did the tug of war And it's like I don't know He's getting them fun stuff to do

This place is going somewhere man I just think he's He's a guy with ideas You know Some real estate And he's like bilingual I think It's really cool So that's pretty tight

Alright Joelle As always Such a pleasure having you Lovely to be back. Where can people find you and follow you? Yeah, you guys can find me on the internet, all over the internet, at Joelle Monique. It's J-O-E-L-L-E.

Nope, M-O-N-I-Q-U-E. There's an underscore on Instagram. But it's the same thing. You'll find me either way. Are we doing tweets today? Yeah. Tweets you love. Okay, I got one from Andrew Lloyd Webber.

Which is great. listen to this okay thank you for those who attended my first ever dj set last night at the majestic fandom opera block party excited on what could be next for me broadway london abiza and then he signs it alw his tweet he signed it listen i mean it's so beautiful and random i love it good for you I mean, that is some Andrew Lloyd Webber shit. I love it. Good for you, Andrew Lloyd Webber, trying new things. Is there any footage of that? Yes, there is.

I will send it to you. You can watch it online. Is he putting one hand up for the drop? There's an entire audience outside. It does look a little bit like Ibiza, except it's the opening for Phantom of the Opera. It's returning to Broadway in New York. Wow. Lighters in the sky.

Stunning. Miles, where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Twitter, Instagram, at Miles of Grey. Also the other show, 420 Day Fiance with Sophie Alexander, where we talk this show 90 Day Fiance. Tweets I like. First one is from at love dove Clark with an E on the end.

Tweeted, why are there sports bars but not cute bars where you can sip wine and cheer for competitive cooking shows? Yes. I've been thinking about this. Great idea. I talked about this with Sophia, like a reality show bar where when the show is on, people come Sundays. It's on and everybody's like, ah, turn it up because they can't believe the bullshit they're seeing yes reality bars coming soon there's plenty of seating there the wine is plentiful yeah the waiters are hot but not too hot you know like obtain not a distraction but cute that they that they spur

conversations at the table be like is it just me or is the waiter like mad cute and they're like oh my god i was just thinking now what is it about them exactly and these are how we set these places up there's oh my god anyway and then the next tweet is from at kava t cat charlotte moore lambert tweeted the tweet is described as the domestication of dogs wolf i'm gonna eat your babies human what if instead of that blankets and peanut butter wolf i'm listening would the decor of the reality bar be like those wine things like wine o'clock like wine decorations or no they look like the confessionals it's So it's all like a very plush seating, bright. All the light is Instagram ready.

There's florals everywhere. Yeah. Every booth is an Instagram backdrop. That's how Joelle and I have designed this space. That no matter where you are patronizing the business, it's going to force someone. It's a photo op. No matter where you are. And that's how we generate more organic, user-generated marketing materials.

Look, Jack, we can talk about this later on when I share the packet. But we need you guys to come in at the $200,000 level. We can kind of get this thing rolling. All right. A tweet I've been enjoying between two funds. Two fund. Two fund to Jaffe. Yeah.

Hey. He tweeted. That's my boy. Timothy Chalamet sounds like the name of a very wealthy mouse. And I agree. I also just found out Timothy Chalamet is the offspring of like a very wealthy, like a bunch of very wealthy producers. All your favorites are rich. Never forget.

If you have a favorite, go look up their parents. They're rich. Damn. Rich and also like legacy in the industry. The people who break through young tend to be pretty well connected. You're Jason Schwartzman, etc. Yeah. All right.

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episode, as well as the song that we think you should go check out. Miles, what song do we think people should go check out? Go check out this track. It's called Already by Rochelle Jordan. And it's just got this fucking 90s just house vibe, but it's modern. I just like how these 90s house sort of tropes are coming back. In some of the promo, she was just wearing an all-leather outfit with her braids.

I'm like, this is giving me two unlimited cnc music factory type shit so listening to this track is definitely a time warp i think she's from toronto by way of london so check out this just just wonderful house track with a little bit of soul behind it already by rochelle jordan all right we're gonna link off to that the daily zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That's going to do it for us this morning,

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