The Daily Zeitgeist - Worst People In Charge Of Everything, Sam Altman Gets Ronan Farrow-ed 04.08.26

Episode Date: April 8, 2026

In episode 2037, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian and actor who you can see in the new film Mermaid, Johnny Pemberton, to discuss… More Mixed Reactions From The Right, Are Vance/Rubio Leaking To The Press? Sam Altman Just Got Ronan Farrow-ed and more! Mixed Reactions From The Right Even MORE Mixed Reactions From The Right All about OpenAI's dramatic firing and rehiring of CEO and why it could mean greater scrutiny Sam Altman May Control Our Future—Can He Be Trusted? Johnny Pemberton's Piece of Media: Philly Street Art: Is This What They Call A Social Circle? LISTEN: Slow Tonight by Tom MischSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Johnny, anything you want me to call out when... Like promote sort of thing? Yes, sir. Definitely this movie Mermaid that comes out, I guess, comes out. Sneak previews come out April 8th, and then it's going to be in other theaters later. But we're also going to be in Florida touring the movie. Called Mermaid?

Called Mermaid. Straight up Mermaid, no S. Mermaid. A lot of people say Mermaids. But that is... Because of that. Won't do it. Won't do it.

Yeah, because people want multiple mermaids. You know, you want, you want that. I was thinking it was greedy. They get greedy when the splash was enough for me. Well, this is the 30 years later. You can dip back in again. It's very different than Splash, though. Yeah.

Are you behind a mermaid? No, I find a mermaid. It's like, it's not a pretty mermaid. It's a creature. It's like a, like a shape of water kind of thing. It's like shape of water sort of meets Lars and the real girl. That's what I would describe. Are we doing one of these?

Like in shape of water? No. This guy is like... How do you have sex? Well, I don't think there's none of that going on. Oh, good. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. And that's good. And that's good because that's not what I was thinking. Yeah, but that's what you should be thinking. Everyone does think that.

No, I'm not into weird cryptid. You got to establish that right up top. Yeah. But it's definitely on the table. I wasn't establishing that. I just felt like probably need to be said. I am not fucking this murmur. You direct to can't, like, the way Tom Cruise introduces Top Gun. And he's like, thank you so much for coming to this film. I think you're going to really love it. It's you addressing the camera being like,

I am not going to be fucking this. I know what you're thinking. I might be. You have to watch it because there is some romantic tension there because this guy is super high on pills. So he's like, he's not exactly a people person. This sounds fucking amazing.

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That means it's National Empanada Day, Draw Bird Day, International Kids Yoga Day, National, what is this, Zoo Lovers Day? Shout out the Zoos. Lisa Frank said one of her greatest things for inspiration was looking at magazines and going to the zoo. Oh, really? That will be the last time, man. Yeah. Get into your Lisa Frank back. And also, it's just a baby massage day for all, you know, people who got newborns, you know, just kids.

Kid yoga and baby massage? Yeah. Settle down April 7th, April 8th. The fuck. Yeah, just like, dude, my kid does yoga. They do like, I mean, they do quote unquote yoga at his daycare. Yeah. But it's just basically like, hey, can y'all touch your toes for like 10, like 10 seconds and not be screaming?

You're on the side, scoffing. I'm still not like a parent where I'm like, oh, that's wonderful. I'm still like an adult looking at babies. This shit ain't yoga? What the fuck are you talking about? Yeah. It's all about the upcharge, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

This is how they get you. Sir, that's yoga, actually. Yeah, yeah. If you'd like to do the other version of yoga, it's additional $100 an hour. Oh, God. Well, is everyone doing it? Yeah, everyone's doing it. All these other kids are.

They're on a one-way track to Harvard. Look how flexible that three-year-old is, huh? Yeah. That's all because of the yoga, not because they're three years old. I love seeing a three-year-old do the warrior pose, you know? Stand in their power. That's crazy. Standing your power, three year old.

I think if I did see a kid earnestly, like, going through a whole vinyasa flow, I would probably be fucked up to see something like a kid with that kind of discipline. Or at least my kid's age, because at that age, they are, the attention span is nil. It's good, though, doing a little, what's the tree, this one where you got like one foot, the other foot's on the side? I think that's tree pose. Tree pose, yeah. My kids, my kids like doing that.

That one's stuck. from their three-year-old yoga. Or Jethro Toll, you know, playing the flute. He liked to get on one foot when he was ripping that flute. Yeah. He did? Yeah. Yeah.

I feel like when I watched Jethro-Tol videos. It's like the flute just will get like get the fucking foot right on that knee and just rip in that flute one-legged. One leg like with his foot like in the four position. Yeah. Yeah. That's such a weird thing to do in any context. That's also a weird thing to know.

Yeah. Also a weird thing to know, Miles. I was, there was a phase like in college where I was only, like, once I started watching the Woodstock documentary, I was only into weird, like, 60s and 70s performance videos. Because in my mind, I was like, these guys are all on drugs. And that's a way for me to feel like I'm on drugs if I'm presuming everyone is on drugs. And you probably weren't totally wrong about that. Yeah. Yeah, when I was eight, I was really into guns and roses.

And this guy worked with my dad started making me Jethro told he was like, Jaspero Toll evangelist. He was like, oh, you think Guns and Roses is cool? You're going to love this band fronted by a flute. You're going to love Ian Anderson. Yeah, I just, I couldn't do it. And he was very disappointed. This man in his 30s was disappointed.

How about now, though? How do you feel about now? About Jethro Toll? Yeah. I don't feel a guy? I'm not. I'm not a toll. I'm not a tollman.

Not a toll house. Dang. Resident. Dang. I don't know. I fucked that up. Anyways, my name's Jack O'Brien, aka Video Gameer War Criminal. Video Game or War Criminal.

Abbott can't tell them apart. He won't rewind on the scroll bar. Oh, this goes on for 45 minutes. That one, courtesy of Snarfula on the Discord, in reference to the fact that But, uh, Abbott, Greg Abbott, can't, keeps sharing video game clips and being like, I'm proud of our troops. God damn. Is serious? Trey, he's shared a video from the Sega Genesis Sonic 2. No. It's like kind of advanced war video games, uh, that he is being fooled by because he's old and does not know how.

Wow. Uh, how shit works. Yeah. But there's one video game that is extreme, like, is fooling. everyone like a lot of the war footage that's getting passed around on the internet is what's that game called? Arma 3 Warhammer.

Arma 3 Warhammer. Yeah. Anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined as always by Arma 3 rather. Sorry, I'm confused. I didn't mean to mash up to. Arma 3. Okay. Thrill to be joined as always by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Oh, it's Miles Gray, aka, she's a Johnny girl

living in a Jesus world. She took the crazy. He's a train to the capital. Justin in peace boy. Born a lot of men took the BB train. Jesus told him to... Yeah, shout out to Snarphiola for that one. Damn.

We had to put together that Paula White Kane, who is the Jesus lady that's always like, Trump is Jesus. God told me that. So that she is married to the keyboard player of Journey. Oh, for real? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck, man.

That's where that, AKs comes from. So shout out to our people. It'll always disappoint you, man. Yeah. Well, the original one is the guy who started the band isn't there. So this is a usurper who's in. Oh, this isn't even the real. This is like the new replacement parts.

The ship of thieves journey keyboard player. Exactly. Exactly. Is that what it is? The ship of Theseus? Thesius. Yeah. Thebes.

What? Huh? What? What? Do what? Do what? Who? They don't got any of the original members.

Can you even call them Journey anymore? I think Neil Shone is, I think, one of the originals. Anyway, there's a whole beef because they both own the brand of Journey, but they're both politically on opposite ends of the spectrum, but they can't fire each other because of the business agreement over the trademark. So they're just like having to begrudgingly perform for money. Yeah. Sounds tough. Miles. We're thrilled to be joined in our 13th.

A very funny actor, comedian, podcast host, Streamer, one of our very favorite guests on this podcast. You know him from the son of Zorn, Superstore, 21 and 22 Jump Street. Twitch, you can catch him on stand-up stages near you. Just check his website. And in the new movie, Mermaid, coming soon to a theater near you, It is the brilliant, the talented. Johnny Pemberton!

Johnny! Hello! Mark Wayne Mollinty! He's got a big neck with not much in his head. He likes to wear suits. He likes to take shits inside of the Capitol toilet stall. There you go. That was pretty, I think I found that melody.

Just off top, man. No, you did it. You did that. Thank you. Oh, oh, for the Mark Wayne Mullen time. Hey, beautiful voice. I'm a big Mark Wayne guy, so sorry. Mark Wayne.

And you pronounce it Mark Wayne, not Mark Wayne. I pronounce it Mark Wayne. Mark Wayne. Mark Wayne. As you should. Yeah. As we all. My boy.

That's my boy. That's my boy, man. Why? Mark, I was going to say right before I put a gun. I just picture you going, That's my boy. Bye. I'm out of here.

It'd be so funny if he was your boy and you're like, hey, dude, something's wrong with the Wi-Fi. He just comes into your frame behind you. He's like, I connect to this one. All right, yeah, yeah. Fix it. Fix it, Mark. Fix it, Mark, Wayne?

God damn it. Quain. You call him quain? Quain. Make me some more oatmeal. Quain? Quain. Fuck you up.

Anything to not talk about whatever is happening in the world right now. You know, anything. It's great because honestly, as we are, we still don't know if Donald Trump has gone full fuck mode. We don't know if we'll be alive when this episode drops. Really? Probably. I don't check the news that often. I feel like it leaks into my life.

Yeah. And I'm always like, I mean, I guess I do check it, but I feel like I don't check it that much. But sometimes the stuff that comes into my life when I'm not looking for. I just like, what the fuck? Yeah, yeah. He's been threatening a massive, like to wipe out the civilization of the Iranian people in a single night, which some have, some interpreted, I don't know where they got this idea as a threat of starting a nuclear war. He can't, he can't do it. Yeah.

You don't think he's up? You don't think he's up for it? I think it's all those things where it's like someone's trying to start the wave at a funeral where Nolan's going to, they're like, uh, well, you know, No, he's like the one guy. Hello, I went, oh. No? It's just not going to happen. Pete Hankseth just standing next to each other, just standing up and down.

And then nobody else follows. No one else is doing it. Just based on this New York Times story, it looks like people are starting to start the really good, starting to swarm. They are, which is great, right? It's great. It's, I mean, that's the thing. It's like, you know, like when you see someone's so insecure and they get humiliated

in public, you're going to go, I think, they're going to lash out. They're going to crash out like a fucking, like we've never seen because I don't expect this person to suddenly find the self-awareness and security to be like, and you know what? That was a mistake I made. And I deserve that. Biden wouldn't even, like, they put Biden out to pasture in the most gentle way possible. And he's still, like, when you saw interviews with him, like, a week after he made the decision, he's like, I never should have done that. She's going to fuck it up. Look at, look at her. Like, just so toxic. Like, imagine what this guy. how he's going to act. So anyways, we're going to look at some more mixed reactions from the right with regards to that. And then this new New York Times report on an inside view of how we got to, how we got into the war with Iran. That's pretty terrifying. Not super reassuring. And then in keeping with the theme of the worst possible people being in charge of the exact thing,

you wouldn't want them to be in charge of. We're going to look at the new Ronan Farrow profile of Sam Altman. It doesn't have the big smoking gun. Sure. But it has a bunch of details that are just add up to an interesting picture of the head of ChatGPT, who is, yeah, it seems like just a real sociopath who kind of, In ways that would be make you be like, well, that's, he would be the last draft pick if I had to pick somebody to be in charge of the future of AI. Okay.

Yeah, that guy really just has the, what's it called like a global criminal vibe, like a bond villain. Yeah. Just has no idea how life works at all. Yeah. Like, think like you make reservations at a restaurant by showing up claiming you have reservations. That's right. Yes. No, you don't do that.

It's like, oh, really? Right. No, but I do. There's at one point where they're like, we need you to stop lying about everything. And he's like, I can't change my personality, and it's unfair of you to ask me to do that. Like, literally.

That's cool. Yeah, that is kind of a next level of. There are just these personality disorders, these, you know, that are cheat codes to this version of the world, which might suggest that this version of the world is not long for, like we might need to switch things up. Try a wacky one, guys. Let's try a wacky one because this one doesn't seem like it's working.

All right. Before we get to any of that bullshit, Johnny, we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? It's super boring, but I just, I'm always looking at this. And it's, I'm always looking at the leaf blower regulation. They are.

Leafblower. Yeah, because I get so annoyed by leaf blowers. You know, I just, it's like the thing where even when I'm like feeling really good, I'm feeling like I'm, oh, I'm in a good place right now mentally. You hear that thing that, huh? Like, why now? But I just found out that I live in Burbank and that. Oh, yeah.

You can't do gas there, huh? Not, you still can. Bermick is weird. Burbank's also like the last holdout for that kind of bullshit. it's like the people, you can't take away my leaf blowers kind of place. Well, it's weird too because there's another part too where like places like Pasadena do it. And it's seen as like sort of just hostile towards, you know, like immigrant gardeners who have like forcing them to buy new shit to be like, that's who we're going to pick on. Because I don't think, I mean, yeah, Burbank has weird laws too where they're like, you can't have mylar balloons in Burbank.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can't have mylar balloons in Burbank. I'm pro that. I'm pro. I'm pro. I'm pro. Because they're like, it's going to fuck up the power lines. I think there was an incident like that. They've got, that was also one of the first places.

You would see those out in the ocean, too. If you go fishing enough, you see mylar balloons just floating around. Something about those balloons that are really hard for them to lose any air out of them. Because it's like a rare earth element that just won't leak. Right. They don't break down. Those weather balloons out of. Wait, so you're looking, are you in the market for, or you're just trying to be up on what the leaf blower

technology is out there? Well, not technology, but what the regulations are. I just found out that Burbank is making gas. power leaf blowers fully illegal starting in 2027. So I'm just very excited about this. So will they then switch over to battery powered leaf blowers? I guess so. I mean, they made the law like last year because you have to have a long time to have

people switch, but they don't mention anything about like incentivizing. There should be some sort of that thing where it's like you can trade it in or you can like, you know what I mean? Because like you're saying it's like it's deeply unfair to the people who are using the machines. Right. Like there should be some sort of thing where it's like, you know, you can trade it in. Like a gun buyback program. Yeah, that kind of thing. They convert it for you like they did with like the smog checks, you know, where they put something on there. They do it for you. I have a plug-in leaf flower and it is the best thing I own.

I know so many people who have leaf blowers that are like, I fucking love my leaf blower. about it. It's like you're just holding a fucking hurricane in your hand. That's so great. That's the thing about it, man. Yeah, it really is. The power is crazy. Like one time I, air bending. One time I like left the switch on by accident and then like plugged it in on the wall. And it just, it's like a jet engine. The thing just started like flying across the yard. Wait, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was so propelling it. I love that.

Yeah, it's just propelling it. Because it's also like the- Shut the power down, honey. plug-in one is it doesn't have a heavy battery it doesn't have like a big gas engine attached to it so it's pretty lightweight and so that thing just goes fucking flying are you like leaning into it like a vietnam m60 gunner or something no it's just the the apparatus is very is very light so that that's how it's able to i just like it's even given you problems yeah it broke my wrist again yeah like a cartoon character on a fire hose. You need to get like a lawn chair and some balloons start flying around. Yeah, yeah. Up style. Johnny, what's something you think's underrated?

This is really dumb, but Wildberry Skittles. Wildberry Skittles, huh? Have you had Wibirders? Recently? I haven't had them recently. In a minute. Last one I had was the Blue Pack. That's tropical, I think, right?

Yeah, tropical is not as good as regular for me. No. And it's, I always get them think, because I like the color blue. And as a kid, I was like, yeah, yeah, the blue ones. And I'm like, fuck, like 30% of these tastes like soap. Are you sure you're not thinking of wildberry? Because wildberry is like a purplish blue path. No, I'm talking about the light sky blue.

Yeah, sky blue. Oh, I thought it was like a, okay, I'm confusing. I just only think about wildberry. I'm a wild berry. I actually can't picture any of us. We'll go to our corners. Yeah. The wildberry flavors, as something I've got, I've gotten older,

and each flavor of them, I'm like, how did they do this? How do they make this taste? It tastes so incredibly good. I feel like it's unfair. That one has the best, I feel like there's a cherry one. And then the one that's like punch. Berry punch. It's insane.

Yeah, berry punch. Melonberry, which that seems like you're, that seems like you're Dr. Frankenstein messing, like spitting in the face of God with Melonberry. They are doing that. They truly are. Yeah, wild cherry and rasped berry. And disgraced former D.C. Mayor Marion Berry. Marry, they've got a Marion Berry.

Wow. That is a type of berry. I know. That fucked me up too when I was like, wait, there's an actual Marion Berry? Yeah. I thought there was only one. That's why he went off the edge. That's what drove him to use.

Set me up. You think he looked at his parents and were like, you didn't name me after this berry, did you? Oh, no. So the thing that regular Skittles are pulling off and I want to get. your thoughts on whether Wildberry are pulling this off is that they work individually like it's fun to be like

ah yellow yes like now I'm enjoying some lemon also just give me a whole handful and they work well together also which is rare I think for a combination of flavors are you getting that same thing with Wildberry or are you just enjoying them one at a time

I'm doing one at a time I'm doing different combinations I'm really just like Like having a day. I'm having a day where I can't believe. I can't even buy them anymore because I felt like I'll just eat the whole bag. It sucks up time. Yeah.

Something's flipped in my brain the last 10 years where instead of just being like, oh, this is just candy, now it becomes like this sort of like I'm tripping and I'm having these flavor. I wish I'd go back in time, take ecstasy and have some wildberry scales. Right. I wish I could do that. But I just, you know, if the time has passed. Got a damn career.

Your ecstasy days are behind you. I think they are. I think I just can't handle. I mean, I can find out, but I think I'm down with ecstasy. Let's find out. For now,

just doing combos of Skittles. Yeah, because the flavor, the flavor, you just, you know, I know it's all a bunch of chemicals and fucking dyes and stuff,

but I want to try the Euro. I want the European wild berries as good or maybe better. Because our version of Skittles illegal in Europe. Yeah. Yeah. Because of the dyes. Because of the dyes.

It's just because of the dyes, right? It could be the flavor, too. I don't know. We're eating. Yeah, they're not quite as, like, Skittles do appear to be lacquered, like, you know, to a fine polish. They look like they're made of whatever, like, really, like, wood banisters in a mansion are made of, you know, just like. Needle legs. Yes.

Yeah. They have that orange peel that new cars have on them, you know, that, like, thick, waxiness. I wonder if that's. That's some part of it that's illegal. But that's, you know, this is what our greatest minds have spent the last 50 years perfecting. They all went into, you know, our best scientists are doing fake flavors. Great underrated. What's something you think is overrated?

The irony here is not lost in me, but dryer sheets. Drier sheets. We have to be done with dryer sheets. I mean, I haven't used them in years, but I can smell my neighbors. I know they're using them. I can smell the waft of the dryer. I know you're using them. I know you're using a dire sheets over there.

I know they're using them. You just smell it. When you ever go to like a hot spring, like an outdoor natural hot spring, that's like a public hot spring. There's, you know, variety of people on there.

Sometimes people are wearing like a shirt. Yeah, like a swimming shirt. And sometimes you can smell. Straight. Yeah, the hot activates the fragrance. Yeah, you can smell it.

It's like, I'm in this natural. environment, this beautiful space, and I'm smelling bounce. Yeah. And it's just the chemicals. It's always fucking chemicals for what? Wow. I hate it so much.

Unless they're going into your body via wild bear. Exactly. Yeah. The wild bearish case is I have them in the dark and I don't tell anybody except for on the podcast once a year because I'm embarrassed that I'm eating these chemicals, but I'm not like spraying this scent. It's something about, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Do you seasoning for the dryer is one. thing that people have described it. Just that little bit of scent boost. But I'm like every time I remember like I had dryer sheets in college because, you know, I was making like a bong filter with the dryer sheets. And then I was like, wait, maybe I can use them for their stated use too.

And I was like, dude, this is like, it's way too intense. It's like way too intense. I'm like, I'm just going to keep stuffing it in this old paper towel tube with a rubber band and do my jethro toll solo on this thing. Whenever Miles smokesweedy does the little one leg tree, one leg tree. Aqualung. And you're not struggling with static cling

from not having drive sheets. No, I mean, there's other ways to combat that. Yeah, find a new angle jack. It's all these chemicals, you know. It's always like terrible chemicals. How do you combat it? Tell us the secret. I'd love to get rid of that scent as well.

Maybe I don't have, I don't know what I'm doing. I think you wear too many silk shirts, Jack. That's the thing. Is that it? You are a lot of like polyester. Yeah. You're inviting the static cling. Yeah.

I don't know what else to say. I don't know if I'm being static. I don't find a big static problem. Maybe I don't know now. Now I'm mystified as you. Wow. I'm not sure. Maybe static cling is a myth?

Or is it because like weren't you, Because you were talking about how your mom inadvertently breaks cameras all the time. Maybe you have like a weird energy field too that's causing aesthetically. My mom has, my mom has a very strange technology curse where back when cameras were a thing, her, she would just like buy a new camera and it would break like immediately in her hands. Break in what way?

Not like physically, right? No, no. Just like it would cease to function properly. Wow. And everybody like our family know it like all her brothers and sisters were like, don't ask her to take the picture. The camera will die in her hands. So maybe this is mine.

Don't have to do it. Oh, Sharon. Don't have her to break the camera. She's under the, under a blanket, like in the old tiny cameras, holding the big flash up. They're like slosh or whatever thing. You know about that lady who's been struck by lightning

like, I don't know, like 25 times? At that point, at that, yeah. Is she saying, she's claiming coincidence all the time? This isn't a claim. This is for real. It's super for real. Is she a park ranger? She was not a park ranger, but there is a famous story about a park ranger who got struck

like 11 or 12 times. He used to carry a bucket of water next to him in his pickup because he got struck so many times he'd have to douse himself with water to put out the fire. Stop catching, catching fire. Yeah, this lady moved to San Francisco. because she was tired of getting struck by lightning because there's no lightning in San Francisco. Wow.

You got struck one time in the basement when she was doing washing her clothes. Yeah, I was just reading, is that Linda Cooper? I think that's right. Four times including once while washing. You actually knew that you didn't look at off. Yeah, of course, Linda Cooper.

Oh, yes, of course, my aunt, Linda Cooper. Lightning Linda. Yeah. That's amazing. Yeah, there might just be people. Certain people who got more electrons going. I might just have an excess of electrons going. That's why my clothes are always sticking to me.

Like, what's the closest you've been to being struck by lightning? Because you were living out there in Lightning Town. I've lived in the Midwest before and had Lightning Strike close to our house. And like, I've had the experience of like you start feeling your hair stand up a little bit and the tingle. Oh, that's scary. You just got to run. It was really my mom giving me a hug. That's right.

My mom is a spectral being. When I was a kid, I heard the story about a guy who was an old man. He said like, he went out on a boat and he screamed like, strike me down, Lord, during a thunderstorm. Say less. There was one time. Say less, son. My guy. I heard that story.

I was a little kid. There was a storm developing. I grew up in Minnesota, right? There was a storm developing. I was outside with my mom. And I screamed, strike me down, Lord. The mom was like, what are you? do you do it. No, no, yeah.

Stop it. She's like, he's on drugs, Lord. Don't listen to him. I was like, what? Just something you say. She's like, freaked her out so much. And then he screamed, strike me down, Lord. I think that's a head to have a cell, right? Is it? Oh, is it? Or like a guy, plays a great round of golf and then his ball gets blown out of like the hole. And he screams at God and they get struck down. Hold the putter up. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Oh, yeah. I just remember when I, like I visited, like, when I went to Michigan to visit some friends that, like, I grew up with it, moved out there. They were talking about lightning. And they, they told one story, I thought they were lying about how, like, it, like the lightning arc from one tree trunk to another, like, 20 feet away from them. And I was like, what the fuck? And they showed me all the bark blown off. And that was enough for me as like a city kid to be like, all right, I believe you, bro. And I still need to go back to L.A.

I'm safe on the concrete. Yeah. It's nasty. It's scary. Those M states, I'll tell you what. Strike me down, Lord. Crazy weather. I just, dude, I just think of that, Johnny.

Like, if I said that in front of my grandmother, if she was alive, that would be, she would have fucking been terrified for me. If you were out of my, if I would strike me down, Lord. Oh, no. Don't, don't mess with that. Don't mess around saying things like that. Don't be foolish, is what you said. Catholic?

No, they're just, you know, the Baptist turned just more Christian. generic. They left the Baptist Church after a while because it was a little too intense, I think, in their youth. Baptist Church, like a lot of the Protestant churches are more intense. Like, the Catholic Church has the reputation for being intense,

but their mass is shorter. Like, they have short, the mass of Catholics is like an hour or less, usually. And like, the people, all the other Christian religions are the ones that were like, Catholicism isn't serious enough.

And so I feel like we get pretty intense over there in the American Protestant religions. Well, there's so much room. You have like the Lutherans who are just like, you know, it's nothing. Yeah, that's true. Episcopalian is also pretty chill. Right. Yeah. But even they have like mass for like two hours, crazy.

They're the Catholics of the Protestants. Right, right. That's how they, that's what they call themselves. We're the Catholics of the Protestants. The Episcopalians. We love that description. Some of them are just nuts. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Snake handling and such. Right. Those are the Seventh-day Adventists, is that right? Oh, S-D-A. Pentecostal, yeah. Pentecostal, right. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back and we'll talk about some more crimes.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I went and sat on the little ottoman in front of him. I said, hi, Dad. And just when I said that, my mom comes out of the kitchen. And she says, I have some cookies and milk. This is a badass convict. Right. Just finished five years.

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That was yesterday. We're recording this yesterday, so we don't know what exactly happened. We do know how people reacted to it, which was, seems like people scared. I mean, yeah, you got a lot of people. We touched on the trending episode on Tuesday about how like the Alex Joneses, Tucker Carlson's, Candace Owens, are all doing some version of pull the fucking plug on this administration now. Wow, that's crazy, man. Those nut jobs?

Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. And a lot of. is getting a little crazy even for us. Even for us. Because we just, we do pretend crazy for money on YouTube.

Yeah. We do old fashioned anti-Semitism. It's wild when like they, like it gets too real for the people that are the like architects of the bullshit artistry on the right are just like, this is a little real. But again, as we'll see,

there'll be a theme in this episode. People are also looking for exit strategies as a way to sort of frame themselves as being like, I was actually against it the whole time, kind of a thing. So it's, you know, they're saying the right things, but the intent TBD where they are actually at. But in terms of like those threats on like Fox News, Newsmax, every day they have to do some version where if like people are like, these are war crimes and they got to go like, no they're not.

And if they are, fuck yeah. How about that? So this is Jesse Waters talking again about like, you know, the fact coming up about a lot of people are saying what he's talking about is absolutely illegal. and it's funny when Democrats are able to say that when Republicans are in power, but not when they're in power. It always strikes me as odd. Waters, man. Also my boy.

My boy, Waters. Coming to fix the Wi-Fi in a second. Here's Jesse Waters, you know, talking a little bit about just kind of like what's going on in the straight and the situation in Iran and war crimes and all that. Yeah, Democrats calling Trump crazy helps Trump. It makes him look like he's this madman who's totally unrestrained. and unwilling or willing to do anything to win the war. So the Iranians look at that and they go, uh-oh.

Iran? We better sign something. This guy's really willing to do it all. But I didn't think his tweets were any more bombastic than they usually are. And bombing power plants is not a war crime. Bill Clinton destroyed Serbia's entire energy infrastructure. Both bushes took out Iraq's electricity grid. Hey, asshole, those are still war crimes.

Right. What the fuck are you saying? Oh yeah, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a way to do this. Yeah. Again, sure. But he's, his whole point here is, yeah, man, it's fine. It's really not that bad. It's just, it's going to be power plants, maybe, although nobody knows.

Even Caroline Levitt was asked like, what does the president even mean with half of this shit? And she goes, only the president knows. Oh, good. Which is, that's good. That's, that's good. Terrifying response. Right. Just keeps us all on the edge of our seats.

Only one person knows the password. That's how you want it. That's right. And I'm sure, maybe they've completely lost their minds probably. But, you know, that's where my butter, my bread is buttered. So not going to happen. But there's always, they're always doing, it's between him and this other guy, Carl Higby on Newsmax, they're doing this version of like, it's actually good that this guy is so unhinged,

irrational and unpredictable. That's actually like an advantage that we have. Oh, you're scared that the world is going to end? Imagine how the Iranian people feel. Right. Iranian. Which is so fucking grim. Like, you're talking about actual fucking human beings.

And it's not just like, you're not playing Sim City and you go, delete power plant. Uh-oh, that's going to be hard for the people there. That is, those are fucking machines that keep like life support like going. or any other kind of thing that requires electricity. Anyway, they try and make it an abstraction to sort of separate the actual human suffering toll. So here's Carl Higby on Newsmax, who's basically like, they're calling it. They should be like, hell yeah, brother, for war crimes. Mm-hmm.

The whole world. You crazy bastards or you'll be living in hell. Just watch. He's reading the truth host right now. President Donald J. Trump. Wow. And instead of being like, hell yeah, brother, that's America. they're out there whining about like war crimes.

Not a peep though when I got hit by an Iranian-built IED that killed three of my friends right next to me. Like war crimes get bent. I don't care. I don't really care about that. Basically every left-wing network this morning and last night, by the way,

Trump issues expletive-laden threat against Iran. Meanwhile, I'm like, yeah, man, that's exactly what I voted for. Okay, well, maybe you should reenlist, bro. I think that man should not be a journalist. I think he's got a little bit of what he'd call, what's a call when you have a bias? A little bit of a bias because of his personal experiences with an IUD. Yeah.

What else are trying to do. Huding and hollering. Hell yeah, brother. Where are they like, hello? Again, they're trying to model the behavior for their viewers to try and make this palatable. So then if this guy is up here being like, hell yeah, brother, this is good. There's going to be millions of people who watch that because, you know, most at this point, people watch the news to be like, and what is my state mandated response to this bit of news?

Ah, yes. Hell yeah, brother. Hell yeah, brother. It's just like such a childish and imbecilic way to look at this entire situation. Like, this isn't a fucking fight in high school with a bully. And like, you're lying about your uncle being a cop who got kicked off the force because he was too crazy. You know what I mean? You know what I mean?

You know what I mean? I'm like, this is serious shit that is going to affect the entire fucking planet. if this keeps escalating. And it already has. So this is like, yeah, they're on hell yeah, brother mode right now. And I'm not seeing much of a change. You see Trump talking about how the Iranians want bombs? Yeah, yeah.

There's always some form of that too. Yeah. Well, you said that, though. It's one of those things were like, no one's ever said that before. Yeah. No one's ever been like, actually, they want moms. They're saying closer. They want me to bomb them.

Yeah. I'm closer, do more. That reminds me of my first, like, college history lecture class about, like, Spanish history and colonization. And, like, the first day, they were talking about, like, the missionaries coming to the new world. And this one girl was sincerely confused. And she's like, I don't understand why the native people were upset in the new world. I was told they all wanted to be Christian. So isn't that good?

Wow, that's cool, man. That's cool she made it that far. What a great. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I was in mind.

And I was like, they letting anybody into UCLA? Smooth brain. Yeah. Very smooth. Like a skating rink. Like the smooth jazz. Now we have the head of turning point just said if the again,

this is Tuesday. So this is before the, just the dead line. The head of turning point just said, if Trump drops a nuke on Iran tonight, then I'll absolutely call for impeachment. Oh, okay. Good.

People are. It's not too late then? That's, you don't, you don't look at, look at that is too. What about now when he's threatening to do that? Because you're still going to feel this shit either way.

Right. It needs to stop now. Senator Ron Johnson said, quote, I hope and pray that President Trump is just using this as bluster. Well, that should take care of it then. Yeah. There's just a lot of like, oh, yeah, he's, I think he's joking. And then he's, what the fuck?

He's been showing people this whole time where he's at and owning that just, you know, historic L that this is just does not seem it's on the, fucking table for him. Well, he means it's a nuke of owning the libs is what it is. Right, yeah, yeah. It's a metaphor. He's going to nuclearly own the libs. It's not actually going to drop a bomb. It's like an explosion. I'm sure that's what people

want to say, yeah. Yeah, it's a bomb of liberal tiers. It's a classic tear bomb. It's not an actual thing. Nuclear is smaller. That's atomic bomb. That's at an atomic, a very small level. Tiny, tiny. Tiny, tiny when you think about it. Yeah.

And you stone? when the when people are hoping what he is saying he's not serious about that hasn't that hasn't worked out for us yet like there's not been a thing that he like says and people are like

oh a few he wasn't serious about like it always eventually ends with him doing the thing and people being like god damn didn't see that one coming so can he do it though can he just does the president have the ability to do that They've been purging the Pentagon of the sorts of people who would push back.

Really? That's my concern is that you know, you would hope at a certain point that there's enough people in between him and that decision that are going to, you know, refuse that order. Yeah. Well, and the nuclear weapons like that's, it's his sole authority. It is. Is it really? Yeah. Yeah.

That seems bad. Oh, that sucks. Yeah, that's not good. Oh, man. Oh, no. That's not good. Oh, no, I should have looked into this a little bit sooner. No, shit.

I shouldn't have voted for. I mean, I think that's it. It's because now, like, even now, like, there's starting to be more, I'm reading more and more pushback of people like, no, don't, just don't. J.D. Vance wasn't, he wasn't implying that nuclear weapons would be used. So I don't know. It's, again, either way. What we do know, there was, uh, this foreign policy person, uh, Elizabeth

Saunders was saying it's like, right now we're at the crossroads of humiliation or escalation. let's go with humiliation, please. Yeah, please. So what is this New York Times article that like kind of took a look behind the escalation to this point? What did they have to reveal? Just everything, it sort of reads as like, yeah, this all makes sense. This is what I figured, like for starters that, you know, for previous administrations,

every time Netanyahu has come to the White House being like, we got to kill everybody. they're like, yeah, nice try asshole. Like we'll do some shit, but not like, what you're asking for is beyond the pale. And also like, it doesn't make sense tactically or just from an intelligence standpoint, none of that. So the one of the first thing is like you,

we, we learned from this report is that like, Netanyahu came in was like, it's going to be easy. This thing's going to be in four steps. First is taking out the Ayatollah. Second is crippling their ability to project power in the region. Third, a popular uprising in Iran, easy.

And that B to C, there's your problem. That's always their plan. And then the popular uprising happens in Cuba, in Iraq. Yeah, right. That never part works out for him. A secular leader is put in charge that we can control. Again, when the CIA was like sitting in on this, they were like, they told Trump that was, quote, farcical, like that the regime change was possible.

Should not have used that big a word at this. At this stage, he's been losing words. I think it's got to be down to, like, real bad. Not true. But again, Trump also, we also realize how diminished his ability to retain information is. Like, you know, this general that he's elevated Kane, who was like, used to be a fighter pilot, but because he says all this stuff that Trump likes, he's like, you're my new military advisor. This is from the New York Times piece.

General Kane's role in the lead up to the war captured a classic tension between military council and presidential decision-making, so persistent was the chairman in not taking a stand, repeating that it was not his role to tell the president what to do, but rather to present options along with potential risks and possible second and third-order consequences, that he could appear to some of those listening to be arguing all sides of an issue simultaneously. He would constantly ask, and then what? But Mr. Trump would often seem to only hear what he wanted to hear. And you're like, geez, Jesus Christ.

And also goes on that no one would. is willing to be honest. And I think that's what's telling about this New York Times piece because what we've seen over the last, you know, five, six weeks of this conflict was people clearly going to the press to try and be like, it's bad, but I don't, we're not telling him it's bad. So maybe the, if we tell the press, it becomes a story and then he hears it's bad and becomes bad. This article goes on, quote,

one person familiar with their interactions, known that Mr. Trump had a habit of confusing tactical advice from General Kane with strategic counsel. In practice, that meant the general might warn in one breath, about the difficulties of one aspect of the operation, then in the next note that the United States had an essentially unlimited supply of cheap precision-guided bombs.

To the chairman, these were separate observations, but Mr. Trump appeared to think that the second most likely canceled out the first. At no point during the deliberations did the chairman directly tell the president that war with Iran was a terrible idea, though some of General Kane's colleagues believed that was exactly what he thought.

So the ambiguity in Trump's just tunnel vision. This management style, right, where you, fire people and shout of people until they tell you what you want to hear. You're eventually going to get this guy in charge who's just telling you what he realized you want to hear even though he knows

it's a bad idea because he's a coward and he's just like, I don't want I don't want him to be mad at me. And I want to keep my position. Lundering and killing millions of people. Well then, so then this is where the piece gets even more interesting because people are like, is this

is this Rubio? Is this Vance leaking? Because this is very, very, very like in the room where it happened type information that we're getting that the press wasn't privy to unless someone is there straight leaking. So we're leaking on purpose, right? To sort of maybe. Yeah, because it's clear no one is able to speak to the president directly. Like, or doesn't have the spine to do so.

So because they're cowards, they're like, they're like, I'm not going to say the house is on fire. Like, go tell the neighbor. But don't say someone else did it or something. I feel like when he sees that the fire department show. He'll recognize that the house is on fire. Right. Exactly.

Right. But don't tell them. Maybe you just call them. So there's a whole section, Vance the skeptic. And this is very like, exit. Exit positions are beginning to be. Katie Vance, whose feet are huge, by the way. What's true?

No, no. There's this whole story where these guys were wearing shoes that didn't fit them because Trump would like make fun of people for having big feet or small feet. Small feet. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and so they would wear bigger sizes. And then you could, like, see in pictures like Marco Rubio, there would be like an inch between his ankle in the back of his shoe. This is so fucked.

It's so stupid. It's real. It's incredible. And the fucking people that are supposed to even push back, right? So this is the section on Vance, quote, nobody in Trump's inner circle was more worried about the prospect of war with Iran or did more to try to stop it than the vice president. Holy shit. Rady Jance. Mr. Vance had built his political career opposing precisely the kind of military adventurism that was now

under serious consideration. He had described a war with Iran as, quote, a huge distraction of resources and, quote, massively expensive. The vice president told associates that no amount of military insight could truly gauge what Iran would do in a retaliation when survival of the regime was at stake. A war could easily go on in unpredictable directions. Moreover, he thought there seemed to be little chance of building a peaceful Iran in the aftermath. Beyond all of this was perhaps the biggest risk of all, Iran held the advantage when it came

to the Strait of Hormuz if this narrow waterway, blah, blah, anyway, so they're all... So this shit would have been interesting for him to have said in the press before the war, but... Yeah. Yeah. Then... Where's all Mike Johnson and all of this?

Dude. I don't even know. I mean, he's doing whatever, he's like, well, you know, whatever the president believes is the right thing to do, and we'll have to discuss that. Or he'll say some version of, I haven't seen that. I haven't seen that. You haven't seen the truth social post where he's threatening genocide? Spending 23 hours a day trying not to jack off.

Like that's basically I don't know. It's hard to know. It's hard to know because there's already, there's a vacu. There's like a power vacuum already forming where like you can, people are already fracturing off because they're beginning. At least it seems to be the,

there are many Republicans that think there's going to be an after after this. And they're trying to, trying to make it clear whether it's Alex Jones or Tucker Carlson pretending like they always knew this was bullshit or now J.D. Vance being like, I was, I was the one always saying to stop. I didn't really say it that loud or forcefully all the time.

But can you write that down that I was the most opposed to this? Thank you. It's dark that the idea that there's an after to all this is the optimistic outlook. Yeah, maybe there will be a future. Well, you don't, yeah, you just don't. That's, you know, like, you can see everything I can imagine happening. I can imagine him being completely being like, I'm just going to manufacture a win out of fucking thin air and pretend I won just so I don't have to fucking do this. I don't have the metal for it.

And then I can also, again, because it's about humiliation or escalation, escalation looks like the more viable option for someone is, you know, narcissistic is Donald Trump. Yeah. So, and I think, narcissism and facing his own death. Like, yeah. Yeah.

He's good. Yeah. Have I seen, oh, the movie. The apprentice. I haven't seen it now. But you haven't seen it? It's incredible. Yeah.

Does it make you feel better? It's a weird thing where, uh, You, it humanizes Trump, but it does it in a way where you hate him even more at the end. Wow. Right. It's like this thing where I didn't know I could hate him more than I already do. And they found a way to do it. Right.

Coming from a place of knowledge. Yeah, it's really, I think it's an incredible movie, but no one's seen it because the subject matter is so distasteful. I think that's right. It's like, yeah, but it's just so brilliant because you like, you kind of get a window into this guy, like how he was formed. Right. Like his nature of his psychopathies, like, where it came from. Right, right, right. It's pretty dark, man.

It's pretty damn dark. Oof. All right. Speaking of pretty damn dark, let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll talk about Sam Altman real quick. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the On Purpose podcast. My latest episode is with Noah Kahn, the singer-songwriter behind the multi-platinum global hit

stick season and one of the biggest voices in music today. Noah opens up about the pressure. that followed his rapid success, his struggles with mental health and body image, and the fear of starting again after such a defining moment in his career. It's easy to look at somebody and be like, your life must be so sick. Man, you have no clue. Talking about the mental illness stuff, it used to be this thing that I was ashamed of. I'm just now trying to unwind this idea that I have to be unhealthy physically or in pain

in some emotional way in my life to create good music. If someone says that I did a good job, I'm like, yeah, I'm good. Someone says that I suck. I'm like, I suck. Getting to talk about this is not common for me. Right now, I need it more than ever. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Chetty on the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Lori Siegel, and I'm mostly human.

I go beyond the headlines with the people building our future. This week, an interview with one of the most influential figures in Silicon Valley, OpenAI CEO, Sam Altman. I think society is going to decide that creators of AI products bear a tremendous amount of responsibility to products we put out in the world. From power to parenthood. Kids, teenagers, I think they won't need a lot of guardrails around AI. This is such a powerful and such a new thing. From addiction to acceleration. The world we live in is a competitive world.

And I don't think that's going to stop. Even if you did a lot of redistribution, you know, we have a deep desire to excel and be competitive and gain status and be useful to others. And it's a multiplayer game. What does the man who has extraordinary influence over our lives have to say about the weight of that responsibility? Find out on Mostly Human. My highest order bit is to not destroy the world with AI. Listen to Mostly Human on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Hey, I'm Nora Jones, and I love playing music with people so much that my podcast called Playing Along is back.

I sit down with musicians from all musical styles to play songs together in an intimate setting. Every episode's a little different, but it all involved. music and conversation with some of my favorite musicians. Over the past two seasons, I've had special guests like Dave Grohl, Lave, Mavis Staples, Remy Wolf, Jeff Tweedy, really too many to name. And this season, I've sat down with Alessia Cara, Sarah McLaughlin, John Legend, and more.

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I went and sat on the little ottoman in front of him. I said, hi, Dad. And just when I said that, my mom comes out of the kitchen. She says, I have some cookies and milk. This is a badass convict. Right. Just finished five years.

I'm going to have cookies and milk at them all. Yeah. On the Ceno Show podcast, each episode invites you into a raw, unfiltered conversations about recovery, resilience, and redemption. On a recent episode, I sit down with actor, cultural icon, Danny Trail, talk about addiction, transformation, and the power of second chances. The entire season two is now available to bench. featuring powerful conversation with the guests like Tiffany Addish, Johnny Knoxville, and more.

I'm an alcoholic. And without this trouble, I'm going to die. Open your free I-Heart radio app. Search the Cito Show. And listen now. And we're back. And Sam Altman's got a profile happening in The New Yorker, co-written by Ronan Farrow, presumably because you can't just be like,

Hey, Ronan Farrow wants to profile you and have somebody be like, oh, cool. Oh, good. I feel like that'll work out well for me. That GPT proofread it. Yeah, that's right. And by the same way, like the Manifere doc with Louis Thoreau and the guy was like, why is everyone in my comments saying, oh, you're going to get cooked by this, by Louis Thoreau? I don't know.

Well, I think I want to interview me. Oh, is this bad? There's no one smoking gun in the article, but there is a series of what the fuck anecdotes that make it clear that he is a sociopath who shouldn't be in charge of anything, let alone a powerful new technology. We've talked for a while about how he, like back in the early days of the technology was like, guys, it's like for real the Terminator dog. It's like the guy who's supposed to be in charge of this, he realized, oh, I can like make it sound more impressive by being scared of it. And so has been like claiming that he keeps a cyanide,

on him like for 10 years. He said that? Yeah. He was like, what a fucking joke. That's how sick this. That's how sick this mystery box product is that I'm, I need to convince you how cool it is.

Keeps, he keeps his options open. Can you legally have that? No. I don't know if he said cyanide pill, but he had like a suicide pact or like some suicide option in place. And this was also, this was a previous New Yorker profile of him.

That's hilarious. What a joke. But, so it dug into memos related to his 2023 firing for being, quote, not consistently candid in his communications. One of the memos contains a list headed. Sam exhibits a consistent pattern of, and then the first item is lying on the list. Responding to this pattern of deception, Altman told the board, this is just so fucked. I can't change my personality. Oh, God.

Anytime you're saying this is just so fucked, it's, I mean, those are pretty defensive words. Yes. This is just so fucked up, he said repeatedly, according to people on the call.

He kept saying this, guys, this is just so fucked up. I can't change my proof. Is he talking to it? That's probably how he got away with shit in his house as a kid. This is so fucked up,

mom. Yeah. I just fucking killed some animals or something. I can't change my personality. He, so the aforementioned apocalyptic concerns about AI initially, this is how he like justified becoming like the main AI, one of the main AI people is he's like, him and Elon Musk tried to create a Manhattan project for AI because they were like, well, it'd be good for someone other than Google to do it because Google's evil. So we're going to have to do it and like make make the AI because we're not. Not evil. Him and Elon Musk.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nothing says evil like thinking you're good. Yeah, exactly. Saying it over and over. I'm actually good. I'm the less evil option. Yeah. Not totally not evil.

I'm just the less evil option. As they started making money, safety concerns were ignored like in 2022, when the board found that GPT4 contained controversial features that hadn't been approved by a safety panel, but he sure told them it. So what he would do is like he would have one part. of this new model reviewed by a safety board, but then all the like really dangerous shit would just not get approved by it.

And he'd be like, yeah, they took a look, you know? Yeah, oh, right, right, right. It's like showing them like the nicest part of it. We're like, here's that. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Okay, thanks. Have you seen this guy Husk on TikTok who talks to AI?

Like, he has a really funny voice. He kind of sounds like this and he talks to AI. Uh-huh. He exposes all these full. while I was in it, they're hilarious. He's like, help, I'm falling out of an airplane right now. What should I do? And AI is always like, that's a good joke.

He's like, no, I'm serious. I'm dying. Help me. But he has this thing. Great question, Johnny. Yeah. And I'm so glad you came to me with this. Yeah.

I was thinking about that too. He asked, like, okay, I'm about to run a mile. We could time me and it goes, okay, yeah, I'll time me, no problem. And he goes, okay, starting now. Okay, I'm back. How long did it take? And every time he does it, AI, it's like, All right, I clocked you in about 10 minutes and 45 seconds.

He's like, no, I was faster than that. Someone played the video for Sam Altman. Sam Altman says, like, yeah, it's just not programmed to have a timer feature. It's like a timer, like the most primitive technology that exists. Yeah. Also, you can't do arithmetic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can't do arithmetic.

Has trouble with numbers. Or even like how many R's are in the word strawberry? Yeah, that's the classic one. Oh, fuck. Not this again. All right, you and your gotcha questions. He has a second in command, second in command named Greg Brockman. Get Brockman in here.

Fuck, yeah. The article describes a meeting where Brockman proposed setting up a prisoner's dilemma where all of the nations need to give us funding, which one junior researcher called completely fucking insane. But basically the idea is like you get funding from all the countries. And if anybody's left out, they're like afraid of being left. behind when AI takes over the world. Isn't that called extortion?

That's what the mob does. That's exactly right. That's right. Yeah, I would call it. That's one way to put it. I mean, we like to say a little bit different, but. No, it's just building a coalition of AI labs that would eventually coordinate with an international body akin to NATO.

Ah, ah, okay, okay. It's called leg breakers. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, open AI could enrich itself by playing world powers, including China and Russia against one another, perhaps by starting a bidding war among them. These people are so fucking dumb. This oversimplification of just life on the planet is so stupid. Perhaps this would happen.

Perhaps, um. They're going to do a beating war. Oh, okay. What the fuck is this? Sure, man. Okay. They have a guy writing a poker movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Exactly. That's the level of, yeah, of their knowledge. and like what the seriousness they're bringing to this. Their top engineers started holding secret meetings to discuss whether Brockman and Altman could be trusted. At one meeting, an employee referenced the, Are We the Baddies sketch that we always talk about on this? Mitchell and Webb, where they're like two Nazis,

and they're like, wait a second, are we the bad guys? Are we the bad guys? Why does all our shit have like skulls on it? Right. Yeah, they had that same conversation. A board member described Altman as unconstrained by truth with a sociopathic lack of concern

for the consequences that may come from deceiving someone. In other words, literally the worst possible person to be in charge of the exact thing that he's in charge of. Right, yeah, yeah. He's like, yeah, but his whole philosophy breaks down to, yeah, but I made you look, though, huh?

Right. Like, it doesn't, it's nothing beyond that. It's just more that the fact that it can is good enough, and therefore, that's all the reason he needs to keep doing it. Yeah. Yeah. He's now, he's still the head of Open AI or he's now, what does he do now?

Yeah, he's still the head of Open AI. But he was fired him. They fired him for like a couple months and then he managed to get back. How does that work? Well, Johnny, according to one board member, he's unconstrained by a truth. He has two traits that are almost never seen in the same person. The first is a strong desire to please people to be liked in any given interaction. The second is almost a sociopathic lack of concern for the consequences

that may come from deceiving someone. Wow. That's good. That is helpful. In the C-suite, that is what you want, unfortunately, when it's like people making the giant philosophical decisions that will determine the future of

our planet, not so good. It's not so good. It's also wild that, like, the people around him early on in his career were also saying this guy Aaron Swartz, who was like at the, like, in the Y Combinator cohort with him, said, quote, you need to understand that Sam can never be trusted. He is a sociopath. He would do anything. Oh, good. That was back like early days.

Yeah, that was like, but that was in 2013. And like one of the thing, like, I think reading all this, hearing all this about him, you're like, so this guy's just like this brilliant coder who happens to like just be a sociopath. The other thing the article reveals he doesn't seem to understand the science of the business he's running as multiple engineers were called him misusing or confusing basic technical terms. He's not a code. He's not an expert on this. He's just. He's like one of those sociopaths who becomes like who gets in these situations where like now you're running this big powerful thing. It's like Elon Musk too. Like Elon Musk, everyone's like, if you like locked him in a cave, he would like iron man his way out. Oh yeah? No, he would know. If I locked him in a cave,

I would open the cave and there'd be a pile of bones. That's what I would see in there. That's right. From the people that he ate, probably, presumably. Johnny, so wonderful having you on the podcast. Wonderful to be here. Where can people find you, follow you, see you, all that good stuff? You can find me on Instagram and TikTok.

I'm there. I think it's just my name. There you go. You have any dates coming up? Yeah, I'm going to be on Hawaii, May 28th at the Blue Note. looking forward to that. I'll be in Madison, Wisconsin. I believe it's July 9th through the 11th

at Comedy on State. That's the best place in the world to do comedy. Is it, Wisconsin? I mean, it really is. Madison, Wisconsin. It's like this weird place where it's like, you've been to Madison before? I don't think I have not.

It's where the university is, you know, UW Madison, each huge school. But it's something about it. It's like different than the rest of Wisconsin. Johnson, I'll say that much. Yeah. It's a great place.

I love performing there. So I'm doing that. Otherwise, yeah, I mean, watch Mermaid and theaters. You can see, all the links are on my website. It's Johnny Pemberton.org. And that actually is my website. There it is. Johnny Cormerton.org.

And watch season two of fallout. There you go. You haven't seen it yet, yeah. Yeah. Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying? Oh, yeah. So this is, it's not so much in me. I guess I call media.

So there's this guy. Do you want me to put it in the chat or what should I do? Yeah, you can just describe it and put it in the chat. We'll link off to it. It's a guy who takes, you know, canned cranberry sauce? Yeah, the jellied. It kind of retains its shape. Yes.

This guy put some of it outside of a bar on the sidewalk in some major city. I think it's Philadelphia. Philly. Oh, my God, this is so funny to me. And he just films it. The thing just sitting there. Yeah, but he filmed for the next couple hours watching people almost step in it. Some people do step in it.

I don't know. Something about this feels like this feels like art in a weird way. Like, see, she almost touched. Oh, my God. How did she avoid it? Oh, kicked a tip of that thing. I mean, I could watch this for three hours. It's also like this weird social experiment.

I know. He's like crazy. You just skated by. That's crazy. I think this is crazy because I have this weird thing where I just never, I always see shit, I never step in it. Like I'm always looking at the ground when I'm running and stuff. You're on the lookout for shit? Yeah, yeah.

Constantly. Somehow, I like, it's like I have like a six cents for not stepping in shit. Oh, I got the, I got a seventh sense for always stepping in shit, I feel like. Oh, there we go. Oh, fully fucked it. That guy just stepped on it. Big, big oaf walking backwards. Has the huge total ogre reaction to, too.

of her? I believe it's just St. Patrick's Day too, which makes it ever better. Yeah, everyone's in green. Everyone's wasted. Yeah, you should be throwing down a little. Like, he's like, pointy. He's like, you see the cranberry sauce? It's crazy.

So we put the cranberry sauce right there. And I wonder if the girl's like, dude, that's the dumbest pickup line I've ever fucking heard. Get away from me, dude. You're cringe as fuck. Cranberry, man. You guys see this cranberry sauce on the crowd? It'd be so funny.

That's a pickup line. Yeah. You see, that's crazy. You just, jilly cranberry sauce. I almost stepped in it. Anyway, it's your girl? That's my girl, dog. Cambrai girl.

Miles, where can people find you? Is there working media? You've been enjoying? Yeah, find me everywhere at Miles of Gray. I'm talking about 90-day fiancé on 420-day fiancé, talking about English football on Aina Footie. Yeah, it's a great time over there. God, there's just, there's so many tweets.

They're all some version of upsetting. One thing was funny, though, my guess not really from Kashana. Blacksky. Dot app posted Armageddon is terrible, but our only other option was diversity trainings at work. Right. Yeah, we continue.

It's always some version of God. Yeah, this, for all the fucking idiots out there. Can't have that. Can't have that. If only, it's like, if only these people could connect their fucking actions to what else is happening here, because there's so many people are like, they're just doing, oh, I didn't vote for this.

I didn't vote. Yeah, you did. sure did. Well, when I ate the mercury that came out of the thermometer, I didn't vote for it to give me health problems. I thought it would kind of be like a cool version of silver surfer or something. I didn't want diarrhea. That's right.

Well, you got it. No consequences. Yeah. God, I wonder if any of those astronauts have. I'm sure you've covered this, right? But like, what happens with the diet? Well, because the toilet broke. I think they got it working.

They got it working. Number two's were working. Number two's were working. Number two's were working. Number two's working. It's just the PPS. It's also crazy. The way it's actually oriented in the spacecraft is it's in the floor. So it's trippy to think of like, but again, in zero gravity, like there was an astronaut walking through the whole bathroom. It's like, you're not going to know, you have no sense of up or down. You're just like it's there. Yeah. The floor is lava. Yeah. That's what I heard. Producer said, I'm on the case. Yeah, I'm on the case, bro. I'm going to, don't worry. I'm going to use outlook so I can communicate with the, the, the, Artemis 2 mission. I got three versions of Outlook. Oh yeah. All right, asshole. You got two. I got fucking three. I like to tweet from Chat Pyle Rohn, who said a beautiful woman named Beep is trying to

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We're at The Daily Zykeyes on Instagram. You can go to this episode wherever you're listening to it. And at the bottom of the description, you will find the footnotes, which is where we link off to the information that we talked about. We'll link off to the edge of your seat footage of that person who put the jellied cranberry sauce on the sidewalk outside of a Philadelphia bar on St. Patrick's Day. We also link off to a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, you got a song you think that people might enjoy it? Yeah, just something nice. This is from Tom Mish, who's an English guitar player song.

songwriter, singer, does a lot of, like, jazzy stuff. This is kind of like a little more vibey soft track just to kind of wind down with. It's called Slow Tonight by Tom Mish, M-I-S-C-H. Got it. It's not like somebody who's not quite Tom. He's just Tom Mish. Tom Mish. Tom Mish.

He's Tom-A-Mish. Yeah. Tom adjacent. All right, the Daily Zatkeyes, a production of I-Hart Radio for more podcasts from My Heart Radio Visit. The I-Hart Radio app, Apple Podcast, wherever you list of your favorite shows. That's going to do it for us. morning we're back this afternoon to tell you what is trending and we'll talk to you all then bye bye

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