The Daily Zeitgeist - Yay for Ye? Warning: FBI Agents Partying 6.4.18

Episode Date: June 4, 2018

In episode 161, Jack and Miles are joined by frequent podcast guest and comedian Jamie Loftus to discuss their thoughts on the new Kanye West, the Supreme Court's decision on Masterpiece Cakes vs. gay couple, Trump's shamelessness when it comes to North Korea and more, Trump's plan for pardoning himself, Bill Clinton's new book tour, an FBI agent firing his gun after doing a backflip, and more!  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yep, there we go. Thank you, Chapman Rice, a.k.a. Goddess. thank you yep there we go uh thank you chapman rice aka goddess uh fun fact i ran into your buddy zach oyama uh who's also a comedian out here in la some of you probably know him uh and we made a weird connection when someone came up he said hey someone who i think listens to your podcast uh i went to college with and it ends up being chapman rice so shout out to you that makes us look really small time because then it seems like we only have like five listeners and we know who all of them are. Well, it's kind of true. We are a second-rate podcast.

You know what I mean? The Zeit gang is very small. All right. We are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a first-time guest, I believe. Yes. She is the great, one of the all-time greats, Jamie Lawless. Hi. The great one of the all-time greats.

Sorry. I would love to come on as a first-time guest. He's just a new character. He's like, there's a lot going on here. We have Zamboni Girl. What's up, Zamboni Girl? Little Zamboni Girl. Hi, guys.

Hey. How are you? I'm good. It's been a while. I haven't seen you in... I don't have enough time to Google things. I was like, I don't know. I haven't Googled anything in the past couple days.

I haven't had a question in a long time. Thank you so much for filling in for me while I was out conducting my experiment. Did you see, Miles, people were speculating that we were hiding Jack like Trump is hiding Melania. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, people still don't know. This could be one of those voice modulator algorithms we created to sound like Jack. I've been really into AI, and I think I'm getting pretty good at it. So, I mean, let's see how today goes.

You're getting good at AI, huh? I'm getting good at coding. Oh, okay. I'm like, so how do you define You're getting good at AI. I'm getting good at coding. Oh, okay. I'm like, so how do you define AI? Zeroes. Getting good at it. There's zeroes, but then also, and a lot of people don't know this, there's also ones. Oh, okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, I've just been doing zeroes the whole time. Well, ever since I upgraded Jackpot's software. There we go. All right. We're going to get into a bunch of different stuff. We're going to talk about the Kanye album, the Supreme Court decision about cake. There's currently the biggest font I've seen Drudge use for a headline in our time running this show.

We're going to talk about Trump's shamelessness as just an accidental strategy. Bill Clinton's new weird book tour lots of stuff but before we get into what the world is thinking about we like to start out uh by talking to our guest about what they specifically are talking and thinking about and searching for jamie what are you searching for maybe we can broaden it for you just what are you searching for in general what am i searching for in my life i did uh google over the weekend several times zach wood's GQ photo shoot. Have we all seen the Zach Wood's GQ photo shoot? Is he looking like a snack? I was bedridden over the Zach Wood's GQ photo shoot.

It is absolutely beautiful. It's just all these pictures of Zach Wood in the woods. He's fishing. Oh, wow. He's on various rafts. And I was just like, I'm in full body paralysis over the Zach Wood's GQ photo shoot. Highly recommend if you want to get horny on a Monday. This one of him falconing.

I mean, wow. I love that he has a resting, weeping face. He really does. He really does. I love it. Zach Wood is the, I forget the character's name from Silicon Valley. Jared. Jared from Silicon Valley.

Yeah. One of the funniest dudes. He's the absolute best. And what a, that and then. Do you have a crush on Zach Woods? Dude, I don't even know. I think I just want to like hang out with him. He just seems like a good person to hang out with.

Just sort of based off his like sort of low energy kind of, I don't know. I don't know. I feel like he's one of those people that you'd talk to he he like knows a lot about very specific things right right right yeah like he would probably yeah y'all would have a crazy conversation about a zamboni and i would believe it i feel i feel like he knows a lot about things i don't know and then i could tell him all about the history of chucky cheese right yeah which no one knows except me oh wow i am the keeper of the keys right and then the other thing

i've been looking up because speaking of chucky cheese is i was getting back into aaron fechter's youtube channel over the weekend and aaron fechter is the inventor of the chucky cheese robots he still uh lives in the warehouse he created those robots in in florida he's the only person who lives there now he lives there with his wife and he programs the robots to sing songs about his wife. It is terrifying and beautiful, and I recommend everyone look at his weird YouTube channel for robots. And did he just make a quick check when he created the Chuck E. Cheese band, like mechanical band, and then it was a downfall after that? It goes so deep. was that downfall after that it goes so deep he has such like he's the classic like genius who cannot do business kind of guy because he invented whack-a-mole straight up slipped forgot to get the

patent he invented whack-a-mole he invented whack-a-mole didn't get the patent on whack-a-mole blew it got like swindled by a carny who ended up getting the patent to whack-a-mole he blew it then he's like okay let me just invent every animatronic robot at Chuck E. Cheese. Slipped again, just totally blew his load and wrecked that business as well. Used to have 300 employees in this huge warehouse in Florida, and then the business folded, but he still has the warehouse and the robots. It's so crazy because Chuck E. Cheese robots really is part of my childhood business folded but he still has the warehouse and the robots because that the chucky cheese robots like really is you know part of my like childhood and like going up there and even like i remember

when people started like doing like sort of like robot dancing challenges a lot of people's like inspiration point was the chucky cheese robot yeah yeah damn well and check out his youtube channel though he is still programming those bots uh. I have a suggestion for his next career is just have like a Halloween haunted house where he just like takes very specific parts of the fur off. So it's just like the robot face or like half a robot face. That's full like Five Nights at Freddy's. Right. Yeah. Just help us.

Jamie, what is something that's overrated overrated oh uh have either of you read this book the war of art by steven pressfield no it is like a book that was recommended to me several times in the past week it's one of those like self-help like you're gonna be the greatest writer in the world if you read this book i would expand this overrated to 80 of self-help books written by men because it is this overrated to 80% of self-help books written by men because it is like the most aggro self-help book

I've ever read in my life. It's like, what the fuck's wrong with you? Totally. You don't want this? Basically all caps in a serif font. Two inch margins.

And people I love and respect were like, you gotta read it. And then it was written in 02 as well. So Steven Pressfield's like, you know what? 9-11 got me thinking. Seriously, he has a lot of takes on 9-11 right after it happened. He said that the Holocaust was a result of procrastination.

He says a lot. Oh, wow. procrastination he says a lot he said that lance armstrong uh was like the pantheon of discipline and success because it was 2002 yeah yeah he said that tiger woods had great discipline in his personal and professional life he just says all sorts of stuff he's like mental illness is caused by you not doing your art he's like people who get cancer are just procrastinating on being a genius. And my favorite part is. No, really? Yeah.

Cancer is caused by like blocked artistic aspirations. Yes, cancer and the Holocaust were caused by people not. Yeah, just procrastinating. And then you're like. Because Hitler was like a blocked artist? Yeah, that's his. And he gets really cute about it. He's like, listen, this is just my take,

but maybe if Hitler had stopped procrastinating on that painting, the Holocaust wouldn't have freaking happened. What a fucking asshole. And then you're like, wait, what are his qualifications? And this is the best. His biggest success was he wrote The Legend of Bagger Vance. That's it. Really? biggest success was he wrote the legend of bagger vance that's it the racist golf movie the legend of bagger vance wow cool it's so that i'm so i spent 14 on that pile of garbage i'm so mad who

is recommending this to you people i love and then i i like like family no like a family recommendation no like a direct the director I work with all the time was like I read this book and it stressed me out but I think that it that probably is a good thing an illustrator that I work with a lot it's yeah if you see this book or this book

is recommended to you it is it is just it is a crock of shit it's really bad have you read the Artist's Way? I haven't, no. Oh, okay. That's written by a woman. Have you ever heard of people doing morning pages

where they write freehand for three pages every morning? So that's an exercise from that book. Got you. It's actually, I don't know. I think it's a pretty decent book. That doesn't sound like the worst thing at all. Yeah. It's not aggressive and like,

get. Right. I'm all for people like wanting to better themselves, but it like went from like, you should write more to Holocaust conspiracy theory very quickly. Right. It's like,

what is this book about? The world wants to stop your art. You need to fucking blast it out there. He's like, if you're not up at 4 a.m. writing your racist golf movie, you are scum. You should try the 48 Laws of Power. That might...

Oh, yeah, that's another good one. That's worth reading because then you can, like, see other people trying to use them on it. Yeah, you're like, damn, you're so whack. Hey, this is Anna. I just want to let you guys know how I was raised. My father gave me the 48 Laws of Power when I was 10 years old. Oh my god.

I'm not even joking. I have the book to this day on my bookshelf and told me to read it and learn from it. It's really interesting because that book had a sort of cultural peak where everything came together in the early 2000s. Like, Dov Charney was like, this is the atheist's Bible, 48 Laws of Power. And also, Fitty Cent was all about it and claimed that it taught him his success.

And then all those people have like fallen off and become monsters also i want to say he did my dad also had a page of it photocopied and printed out and on his wall in his office so growing up i'd always see the thing about how you take credit for other people's work and one of his employees told me that he was scared of my father because of it that's a real thing that happened in my life growing up. Oh my God. No, it's a book about, that encourages you to fuck people over. Oh yeah. The 48 Laws of Power.

Well, yeah. For people who haven't read it. That and like How to Win Friends and Influence People is part of like, I worked at a bookstore when I first moved here and it's just part of like the LA fuck boy starter pack. Like it really is. Like it was like that,

the fat Jew book. Right, right. Oh God, it's terrible. The last thing I'll say about The War of Art by Steven Pressfield, the worst book ever written, is that he's like, reject all critics. Anyone who criticizes you is jealous of you. Amazing. He uses this example of like, if your wife is eight months pregnant and is saying you're focusing on your art too much, she's wrong. And then he was like, think about it.

Leo Tolstoy had 13 kids and he wrote War and Peace. I was like, anyone can have 13 kids, didn't they? Like he was, oh, it made me so mad. And as somebody who has worked in sort of encouraging other creative people, like I think you and I have both. Yeah. This is a very dangerous message to put out there because there are a lot of people who want to be creatives and to the detriment of the rest of their life who like take it the wrong way. Right. And get into it for the wrong reasons.

And a message like that can be really, really toxic. I'm all for self-discipline, but it's like if you're, especially like you can't be creative unless you're also having a life and have things to pull from. Absolutely. Yeah. So, yeah. Don't ignore your eight-months pregnant wife, guys. Steven Pressfield, chode.

I'm surprised he just wasn't like, yeah, your eight-month wife, eight-month pregnant wife, she's a hater. Right. Pick her up by the head and put her in the trash like you're just like jesus christ uh jamie what's something that's underrated oh this i'm very excited about um there is a show on adult swim right now called joe para talks to you and you already done this one i love this no last night's episode episode is one of my favorite things I've ever seen ever. I won't spoil it, but it's about the character hears

Baba O'Reilly for the first time, and that is the whole episode. It's really, really good. I think it's called Joe Perry Reads the Church Announcements, so everyone should watch it. I think you have recommended this before and then people

started recommending it to me in my Twitter mentions. Right. But it's almost like, bro, we've already been on this because of Yammy Lofty. Right. Exactly.

Also, then we started talking about because Conor O'Malley, I think, does he write on it? Or is he in it? I think both. I think both.

Hilarious comedian. If you guys can find him, go look at Conor O'Malley's Old Vine videos if you want to see some wild, crazy New York shit. Maybe Brian's husband. Yeah. Just one of the funniest dudes. All right. And finally, what's a myth?

What's something people think is true that you know based on your personal experience? This is, okay, so this weekend, okay, so I would say this myth is that you should talk about things that upset you in a public place. But I think this is true. I was with a friend from college this weekend. We went to Denny's, and I was talking about- The most public of places. The most public. We were fully in the Atwater Denny's, getting into the thick of it.

Right. Hadn't caught up in a while, and we, like, this, like I was basically just like talking with her about one of the worst things that had ever happened to me. And it was like kind of an emotional conversation. And we were talking and drinking coffee. And then all of a sudden, Who Let the Dogs Out came on full blast in the restaurant. That's amazing. And we just like looked at each other like, we have to stop talking.

This conversation is over. It's inappropriate with this music on. And I was like, I think to stop talking. This conversation is over. It's inappropriate with this music on. And I was like, I think I'm actually over it now. So, yeah, talk about your past traumas in Denny's, I think is my recommendation. Yeah, because their radio is wild. Maybe we'll just have to have that be a preloaded sound drop we do when people start getting really dark shit. Then suddenly we just, Nick, hit it. Who let the dogs out?

Guys, I was just talking about my... Anyway. You're like, I was talking about how my father left. And they're just like, who let your dad out? Alright, we should have remixed it. By the way, the guy who wrote that song credits the 48 Laws of Power for giving him the inspiration.

No, I don't. No, I'd be surprised because nearly everybody in hip hop, including Kanye and Jay-Z, Drake, everybody. Hey, speaking of hip hop and Kanye, he released an album last week. Let's get into what people are thinking and talking about right now. And the Kanye album, I think you guys touched on a little bit on Friday. We've had a weekend to listen to it. And I think, I don't know, my overall takeaway is that it's very uneven and probably the worst thing he's ever done.

But it also has really high highs like a lot of his projects do. I really like the first song. The second and third are solid. I really like Ghost Town. The song to his daughter about how he doesn't want her to be hot is the worst thing he's ever done. It's like the rap version

of one of those Matt Damon quotes that starts out, as a father of daughters I understand crossed with one of those purity ball events in the south where daughters promise their chastity to their fathers, which is... It almost looks like a wedding ceremony, right? Like the father and daughter

proclaim to each other. Weird. That's how bad the song is is it reminded me of that and then i just went on a deep dive on like uh wikipedia on on the uh chastity ball and or purity ball rather it's really like the it's reality's version of american pie and that it seems like it's from five generations ago, but it was fairly recent. Oh, really? Yeah.

Yeah. I guess that makes sense. Yeah. Well, what did you find? Yeah. Yeah. Bring us down the Wikipedia. What about the purity ball?

There's just this incredible article where it's like, you know, this gray haired guy sitting next to, they just describe her as like a woman in a floor length gown with her hair in an updo. It seems like a wedding for all intents and purposes. He pulls out a ring and shows it to her and she starts crying. Have you never seen these videos? Yeah. And then they're like, yeah, and that daughter is 17 years old.

And that is his daughter. And they dance together and it's all sorts of weird and like awkwardly romantic in a way that I don't know it's just totally unselfconscious about how creepy it is right because they're just claiming protectorship over their daughter's body yeah and it also has the sort of the war of art vibe where it's like they declare war on things that shouldn't be possible to declare war on. There's a quote from this article. Pastor Randy Wilson takes the microphone and asks the men, are you ready

to war for your daughter's purity? You ready to kill for your daughter's hymen? You're like, never mind that she probably broke it on a bike seat when she was younger. That's a lie. If she says that, it's a lie. You find the man, you kill him. The purity ball guidelines suggest that the daughters be just old enough

to have begun menstruating. Cool. Something that everyone should. Well, yeah, because those Kanye lyrics really are kind of like, whoa, man, now that I think about my own daughter. Yeah. Men do some gross stuff. And then other songs are about him fucking other people besides his wife,

and you're like, huh? Yeah, we should just do a universal kibosh on men being allowed to be like, as a father of daughters, I understand women. I was on the phone with my dad the other night, and we were sparring about Sam B using the C word. And my dad was like, I don't know. I mean, as your father, I think that it's a pretty vile word. And then in the middle, he's like, oh, my teeth fell out.

Your opinion is invalid on this matter. Your teeth literally fell out while you were saying, I don't think people should use the C word. Click, click, click, click, click. Click, click, click, click, click. Click, click, click, click. Click, click, click, click. There is something about that because Rudy Giuliani, his teeth always seem on the verge of falling out. I feel like there's something about conservative politics and like your teeth just wanting to escape from your head. They don't know.

My dad loses his teeth everywhere. It's very funny. Isn't it a hockey thing? It is a hockey thing to lose your teeth. Right. But your dad wasn't a hockey player. My dad doesn't play hockey. He just reports about it,

which shouldn't, so yeah, it's on him. But the other day, the other day he's like, you know, I lost my, I lost my teeth

and they were on top of my Elvis Costello CD collection. Which stacks so high that you can't see it without a ladder. most dad shit ever all right back to kanye so apparently the album was created like fully none of these songs existed before that tmz interview it's oh it sounds like it yeah well yeah and that's according to people who have reported on the process it was all like put together very quickly which the thing that used to separate his work from a lot of other

people's work is what a perfectionist he is and this yeah sounds rushed and not that well thought through and even the push it to the album that he produced like, it was seven tracks that you got the sense. It was like they took the seven best tracks from a collection of 15 and were just like, we're just making it all killer, no filler. Whereas this just seems like the first seven tracks of a bad Kanye album or something. Very first drafty. You know, we knew something was wrong with him. Yes. Based on his public appearances over the last couple months. And the album just kind of further shows that he's not in the best place, especially to be creating. And he's still saying the dumbest shit out loud on record.

And I've never come at the guy's music. But this is like one of the first times I really feel sort of a little bummed for him as a creator. I'm like, damn, you really just, this sounds so all over the place. The first song,

I actually really like a lot, but it goes all over the place from like silently being like, I thought about killing you to... Like a dude on the bus or something saying some crazy shit like,

I thought about killing you, premeditated murder. And you're like, oh, damn. Call CPS. Because also, who the fuck is he talking about when he's like, I thought about killing you. Best believe that. I think that's been speculated. I assumed it was Kim, but.

I've heard stuff like that said on the bus to the Glendale Galleria before. You never want to start off with something about, yeah, I thought about premeditated murder into impromptu humming. But that song, it feels like two songs that could have been good and then just were kind of all over the place because then suddenly he's like, yeah, I've been in some bad places

using the floor as ashtray. And he's like, it's a different set of rules that we obey. You're like, whoa, this is the same song? Okay. Right. Cool. I don't know.

Anyway, it's one of those things I just, I maybe can only listen to like three of the songs on there. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like he had a chance to maybe do something slightly redeemable off the back of all that dumb shit that he said. And then he really does nothing to address that. Even when he talks about the slavery was a choice thing.

It's just sort of like, yo, I told Kim she could have left, but she didn't. So she's loyal. Yeah. I don't think it's like the worst thing he could have done. It kind of is just like a weird like lateral it's a nothing yeah yeah i just want to shout out all my bipolar heads again uh because i don't know like he he makes a big deal about his mental illness on this album and that's mostly what it's about and it and you can sort of like hear that thought process and i don't know it's it's weird to hear someone in the thick of it releasing their first draft, basically.

Right. I'm interested in how that affects the mental health conversation, if at all. But more than anything, it's like the way you see people responding to this album who were like, two weeks ago they were like, he's dead to me. I hate, he's, no, no, he's canceled, he's done. Now they're like, track two is actually pretty good no i'm i'm guilty of that to an extent that is that's my

jackpot program i mean my beefs with him have always been about his politics or what he does with his celebrity basically yeah because i and i always said that even the thick of his dumb fuckery uh is that like it that's why i was so upset because he has made like an album that i feel is one of the better hip-hop albums that's ever been made and so no fuck that is a fucking trash pile i like use this but miles hates yeah and again but it's it's one of those things too where it shows how invested people can be when they're like well but, but I also got to find out. But at the end of the day, this just further underlines how little he knows about his own place or the world or whatever, because it comes off so odd and like just tone deaf in spots that I'm just was really like, that's why to me, it was just kind of like, I don't know. A lot of people on Twitter like, yo, this is the greatest album or other people like this is great.

This is the worst fucking album. Fuck you. And people were like, yo, this is the greatest album, or other people were like, this is the worst fucking album, fuck you, and people were getting upset over it. To me, I'm just sort of like, he made this album in a week, and he literally got flamed on TMZ, and his response is this, and it sounds like this impulsive thing that he did. So I don't know. Is he going to want to count this as one of his albums? Yeah, and I mean, none of the seven songs apparently existed

back when he gave himself this self-imposed deadline to release the album last week. And then apparently he told Charlamagne in an interview that he completely reworked the songs after that TMZ slavery was a choice thing. Wow. So not only was it a last-minute album, like last-minute do your homework. Just throw them together. Yeah, all right. Well, it sounds like that. There's this one point he makes where he refers to himself in the third person,

and then from that transitions into being able to see outside of himself and therefore being bipolar as a superpower, which I do think that he— I didn't take it like that. I don't like that. You didn't take that? I didn't know take it like that. I don't like that. You didn't take that? I didn't know if it was that he was seeing outside of himself. It was just sort of like, I think he called out his own narcissism in a way.

Right. Like, he was clearly, like, maybe someone in therapy was like, you see how you tend to do third person? You're narcissistic. Right. Because he's like, yeah, yeah, blah, blah. Self-mythologizing. See, that's that third person.

He's like, wait, I heard, that's my bipolar shit. I'm a fucking superhero. Ah! He's like, oh. That's that's my bipolar shit. I'm a fucking superhero. That's me trying to track his thought process, which probably doesn't make sense. What do you think of him looking at his bipolar disorder as a superpower? Well, I don't speak on behalf of him. No, I mean, just personally, how does that strike you? I mean, it just seems a little bit like off.

And that makes sense if you're in the middle of a bipolar manic episode that you would see things off. That's like what they're characterized by. But I don't know. I just it bums me out a little bit that this is like, well, he's acting this way because he's acting it just i think kind of oversimplifies a more complicated illness uh and and basically just characterizes anyone who does have bipolar disease as like someone who's completely unhinged and can and just using the bipolar to justify stuff he says in the media of like you know being bipolar has never made me think that slavery was a choice. Like there's other stuff at play and there's like more context. And the fact that it's being boiled down to like, well, he's going through a bipolar manic episode. That seems like it's true, but there's also like other stuff going on. Yes. Clearly.

And just from a public persona perspective, it seems like the parts of him that have always like kind of captured people who don't care about his arts attention like his sort of rambling uh you know jumping on stage at award shows and just basically you know toxic narcissism like that person is eating like the creator on this album you can almost hear that happening. Yeah. And I think the lack of like, at least I haven't looked at all the credits, but it seems like not many people were helping him with the songwriting part. And that's always like a mark of most of his albums. Yeah.

I mean, anything that's that rushed is going to be hard to. Not like this second rate podcast. Right. You know what I mean? That's right. All right. We still bring the heat.

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conservative thought in general. Yeah, and it's not really the case here. I mean, if you really look at it, because the first thing that was going, as you say, 7-2, a lot of people on super right-wing Twitter were like, oh, that's a blowout. Because a lot of people,

when they look at the New York Times or Washington Post, they say it was a narrow decision, blah, blah, blah. These people were like, 7-2 is not narrow, my guy. But they're not thinking in terms of how you describe a decision as being narrow or broad. In its application. Yes. In this case, it is very narrow because it applies to this one instance. And so to be blowing up your LGBT rainbow cakes on your masthead for your website,

it doesn't quite relate to what's actually happening with this case. So the dredge headline that's in the huge font is Supremes, which is what we're calling the Supreme Court anymore. Full word art. Supremes, colon, you don't have to bake that cake. And then a big picture of a rainbow cake, which it's weird because when you click through on that article, it makes it clear that the you in that headline is literally a single individual human being.

That's what they're saying is that this one person didn't have to bake the cake because of the way the Colorado Civil Rights Commission worded their admonition of him. Right. They were too strong in their wording. And it did strike the seven of the Supreme Court justices as implying sort of condemnation of his religious beliefs. It's like a semantic thing. Well, and Justice Kennedy in his ruling, he writes that specifically what they did in Colorado, that's exactly what they're overturning.

Based on their handling of it, that's why we're saying he's allowed to do whatever he wants because they sort of weaponized his religion against him. Because in the ruling made in Colorado, they were sort of using the thing of religious freedom has been done in the name of all kinds of horrible things and blah, blah, blah. And in that ruling, they said to that judge who was making the ruling was, quote, one of the most despicable pieces of rhetoric that people can use. And that's what Kennedy kind of went on to is like to describe their faith as despicable rhetoric. You know, that's like to disparage his religion and therefore blah, blah, blah. So, I mean, he was it's kind of one of those rulings where everyone kind of takes something

home, where people if you're on the anti-LGBT side, you're going to be like, you see, he was able to do that. That doesn't mean everybody who wants to discriminate can do that. That's a whole other thing that will probably end up in the Supreme Court eventually. But also, you know, this isn't exactly a blow to LGBT rights either, even though seemingly on the surface, it feels like that, you know, Kennedy's opinion also shows ways that states can enforce LGBTQ non-discrimination laws without bumping into the constitutional free speech kinds of things. That was what created this whole situation. Yeah. But it's, yeah, I think a lot of people are going to take what they want to, especially, you know, as, you know, culture wars in full swing now.

Yeah. Yeah. I wish, I mean, it's like obviously we all wish it had gone the other way, but it does seem like a case of wording. Yeah. Well, that's why a lot of, there are a lot of articles and they're like, hi, this applies literally to this one person. This one man who, six years ago too, this is like a 2012 originally was the cake request,

I believe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And this is how long it took. And I don't think they want to hear another case like this for a minute. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And this is how long it took. And I don't think they want to hear another case like this for a minute.

So we'll see. But yeah, I mean, the other thing is Kennedy did reassert sort of the dignity that, you know, gay people should be treated with and all these other things. I know in Justice Ginsburg's notes in her dissent, she was just kind of talking about the line of reasoning that was being used is a little bit different because really these two people were being turned away because of their identity not because of a message that they wanted to put on the cake because they're like sort of on the facts of it they were talking about the messaging that would be on the cake or whatever so it's again it was like one of those decisions that luckily not broad uh but kind of leaves everybody wanting a

little bit more to know like where where are we really going to fall on this? Right. But yeah, I think there is maybe this creeping narrative on the conservative side that they are riding a groundswell of Trump's got this North Korea thing going. And now we've got this win in the Supreme Court. So I think this is tying into a broader overall narrative. So if you click through the headline that Drudge has there, implying that the group, the Supremes, have said something about baking that cake, the article is an AP article that specifically says in one of the first 10 paragraphs, but the justices did not issue a definitive ruling on the circumstances under which people can seek exemptions from anti-discrimination laws and other like sort of important claims raised in the case were completely left alone. So they basically just ruled on a single individual case. Yeah.

They just Judge Judy'd it. They were just like in this individual case we find for the. I feel like Judge Judy would I, handle it a little bit better. She'd be like, you're an idiot. Diana Ross would have made the cake. Yes. Diana Ross would have made the cake. Oh, for sure.

Oh, no, no, no. She would let the other people do it, and then in the back frame credit, because we all know Diana Ross was the least talented singer. It's true. It's true. Her singing voice was not as good as the rest of the group. That doesn't mean she wasn't a great front person, but if we're talking purely off quality of voice, I mean, look, don't at me.

Please don't. Burying that fire tape. Monday morning tape. Yeah, well, look. What are you going to do? What are you going to do? All right. Now, I want to talk about this sort of narrative

of Trump being on a winning streak. People are saying that his popularity is surging because it's up, I think, two percentage points into the low 40s, which is good for him. Hey, low 40s are the new. He's been in the 30s for so long. The new high 60s, baby. Exactly.

I do want to talk about something that I think is powering this. I don't want to get into that narrative of Trump is great at his job. I do think that there's a way in which he sucks at his job that is actually making it possible for him to have those wins. And that is just complete and utter shamelessness. And the thing that crystallized this for me was the North Korea meeting and the sending of the letter and where he came out strong. The meeting wasn't happening. We're calling it off because you've mistreated us. And then immediately was willing to completely backtrack on that, which seems weird. But I also think it's worth noting that there's not a single president we've ever had, I don't think, who would be shameless enough to do that.

To just, you know, be like that inconsistent. Put your foot down and be like, okay. Yeah. Like afterwards. Just there's no logic. There's no reasoning. There's nothing. There's no idea that he has to be this solid leader.

He's just whatever at the moment grabs him. It's like playing out like iMessage's thread between him and Kim Jong-un. Right, exactly. Fuck you, don't come. I don't want to see your ass. He's like, I'm sorry, baby. Okay, what in June 12th? Yeah.

Yeah, and this could go either way. Yeah, it's like a relationship between two 19-year-olds. Yeah, and maybe that's why it works. It's reality television. If anything, I feel like the only possible positive spin on this is that the people around Trump are getting better at leveraging his weaknesses to make something good happen. It has nothing to do with him as an individual. He's still a fucking loser. Right, for sure.

But I don't know do you think can you call the north korea summit a win at all at any point because i honestly north korea wins a lot more just by even getting this summit than we do yeah sure maybe three uh prisoners were like released but aside from that like you know there's a lot that north korea gains especially Kim Jong-un gains in the propaganda wars that he has not been able to be seen legitimately like, you know, by other powers because he hasn't met with like real world leaders because they won't do it. And for him to get this opportunity, like, you know, that picture is going to be on like a fucking T-shirts already. Like they love the envelope that he was holding when like the ex-spy chief of North Korea came to hand deliver

that letter to Trump over the weekend. What a weird photograph. Yeah. It looked like it was photoshopped to make the envelope huge. Yeah, exactly. His hand's tiny. His face was very strange. In a way, that could be genius trolling from North Korea, too.

They're like, yo, get the biggest fucking envelope you can get, and they get the photo of him holding it. So his hands look wild small. It's a very uncanny valley. There's a Polar Express quality to that. It really looks like it could have been designed by your guy who designed the Chuck E. Cheese. He could be in the Hall of Presidents. Shout out, Fector.

Yeah, that's a fair point. And, you know, Trump being seen in a slightly more favorable light could easily just be that the mainstream media narrative of, holy shit, this guy is constantly fucking up and such a total fuck up has just become exhausting. We knew that was going to happen eventually, that the mainstream media was going to be like, nobody wants to hear about him screwing up anymore. People are in the mood for optimism so we're doing a pretend oh like he he totally fucked up and so good that we're in a war i don't know how at that point what you do i mean you got to keep the pressure on him and people have to remember how bad he is because for exactly the reason that people become like apathy will set in and then this will become totally normal and next thing you know we have even more white supremacist nazi fucking candidates running for office and people want to put them on cnn like yeah let's hear this guy out he says african americans have iqs 20 points low get the fuck what the fuck is going on yeah yeah so anyway

i guess my pressure up my only thought with the north the North Korea thing is that the difference between now and in the past is that they do have intercontinental ballistic missiles that can potentially reach America now. And I think other presidents may have been more in keeping with general military strategies of like being hardline and maybe not meeting with him. And he's just so fucking thirsty for a win and shameless that he will call off the meeting and then be like, no, I never called off the meeting. You called off the meeting. You're an idiot.

You're lying. Uh, moving on. Uh, and another shameless thing, uh, that he's doing that I definitely don't think is seen as a win, but it just is another example of just staggering shamelessness is he and his

lawyers are laying the groundwork for him to pardon himself. It's crazy though too. They're really like, well he is the embodiment of the law therefore he cannot obstruct it. It's really... And you know that's going to be like an event when he pardons himself.

I hope he pardons himself as if he is a turkey. On Thanksgiving? He just holds a smaller version of himself and he's like, it's okay. Or normally when he pardons a turkey, he's like, and today I will pardon myself, President Donald Trump.

Ha ha ha. I am God. Yeah, so if we approach it like the turkey, it's like, okay, we pardon you, but it's still okay for you to be killed and eaten. Right. This way they talk about like their their logic about him basically saying, well, I can't obstruct because I am the law is saying, quote, the Constitution leaves no question that the president has executive authority over the ultimate conduct and disposition of all criminal investigations and over those executive branch officials responsible for conducting those investigations. Yeah, okay.

And a lot of the shamelessness is just him knowing that he has a portion of the population that will support him no matter what because racism well also people who are like the fucking constitution man the constitution if you read that shit you would understand that this is basically the antithesis of what the people were trying to do when they wrote the constitution yeah yeah and also just laws of human society like the pope can't even pardon himself no kings like so many throughout the history of the world so many kings have been deposed and like beheaded and right uh you know that's just not a thing you ever give even people with absolute authority the power to do like you can't just be like and i hereby treat myself as the convict in question and give myself an excuse.

It just doesn't. This is just like more high level trolling. Like what? That and just it shows you, I mean, it's heating up. This is clearly you don't have to start talking like this. You know, you're trying to inoculate your base into being like, hey, I'm just letting you all know when I do this and people act like I can't do it. into being like, hey, I'm just letting y'all know when I do this and people act like I can't do it, you can point to this letter saying why I pardoned myself because things look increasingly more and more difficult for him. Sounds like democracy to me.

Yeah, right? I mean, like, yeah, I think many people, like people have always said throughout this whole thing, none of his actions are the actions of an innocent person. And I don't think anyone has any question that there's some kind of shit went down. We don't know to what extent, but this just smacks of just guilt and doing whatever you have to to avoid responsibility. If you had any self-awareness about whether, or gave a shit whether you appeared guilty or innocent, you would not even broach the subject of pardoning yourself. innocent you would not even broach the subject of pardoning yourself weirdly Giuliani on the Sunday shows yesterday was like and he would probably be immediately impeached so we were

not even raising the issue of that but he could but he could if he wanted that's so funny because like randomly he's still trying to like play the reason card where it's like of course he wouldn't because that would upend the constitution a full blown constitutional crisis. But he could if he wanted to. But he could if he wanted to. Do you guys think you said high level trolling? I had this specific thought when I was listening to you guys last week talk about the Melania thing that it almost seemed. Do you think there's anyone in that organization who is sort of programming the mainstream media and social media to focus on these other like stupid bullshit problems?

And because the Melania thing is so weird and so specific, like that she's not appearing in the media. And then they put out that statement where it was clearly written by Trump and it was almost intentionally seems like it could have been intentionally suspicious. Do you think there's any chance that they're just doing this to, you know, force the opposition to burn calories? I don't know. I mean, I think that there's something to that. I don't know. It's hard to think too hard about that without going down like a conspiracy rabbit hole. Right. But I mean, this White House, I mean, most White Houses, but this White House in particular is definitely good at the misdirect of being like, hey, hey, and they don't mind because Trump is such a fucking idiot.

They don't mind selling him out and making him look like an idiot to distract from something actually sinister that is happening. Yeah, but also the Melania thing just sort of played out in a very organic way. It's like we haven't seen her in a long time. I think they're straight up plagiarizing Shelly Miscavige. They're like, yeah, this turned some heads back in the day. Maybe we could do a hot replication. In my mind, I really just think she is burning out,

trying to deal with all that shit. I don't know. I feel like there's also a version where she just doesn't, was like, Melania, will you come out to this? And he's like, no. Right. Not going anywhere anymore. I cannot today.

Yeah, and then it's just sort of like after like weeks, you're like, damn, she hasn't showed up anywhere. And then people start speculating and then there's a response. I don't know if they're like, okay, this is what you're gonna do.

You're gonna stay in the shadows. You're gonna be in the cut for five weeks and then people are gonna be like, where's Melania? And then we can use that to cause a distraction. Yeah. I think there's so many other ways to do it.

She's rolling around in a disguise. Like when Bono got into that bike accident and they found out that Bono travels around New York dressed as a rabbi. Do you remember that story? Wait, no, what? Got into like a near fatal biking accident. And they were like, weird,

this rabbi who got in this biking accident as they were putting him in the ambulance has a fake beard on and this is a disguise. And they pulled it off, and it was Bono from U2. Oh, my God. And he was like, yeah, this is how I get around without being mobbed by people. He's like, yeah, where are you staying? On Broadway in East Catarse Street.

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And Bonos people, by the way way are denying that he was actually dressed yeah they just got back to us that was quick yeah uh they were really on that they did not want that going around you're welcome for texting bono right yeah thank you i got bono's number well i think everyone does if you have an iphone yeah yeah it, yeah. It's preloaded on there. It comes preloaded. Hey, talk to Bono, man. He ain't doing shit. Except for dressing like a civic Jew and crashing his bike. He was in a disguise of some sort. They're just denying that it was anything religiously offensive. But that was because you're saying the Edge joked that it was, and then they had to be like, oh, no, no, no.

I mean, easy, Edge. Right. That's a little, that's a joke. That's too on the Edge, yeah. Do you think they get to call him Edge, or do you think it's always easy the edge the edge

I mean fuck you if you're gonna bother yourself to have the the in front of it you better be letting people call it the edge

enforcing the the like if you see the weekend you'd be like what's up the weekend right yeah you can't be just like what's up weekend that would be weird

what's the edge's real name I didn't have one oh damn David Howell Evans yeah David Evans the edge would work for you That would be weird. What's The Edge's real name? I don't have one. Oh, damn. David Howell Evans. Yeah, David Evans. The Edge would work for you. He wrote a song on the Spider-Man musical. I don't know why I know that.

Oh, did he? The Edge, yeah. Well, I thought most of the music was written by U2. Oh, well, The Edge got his own song. Wow. Is The Edge the Ringo of U2? No. No, The Edge is the Lennon or McCartney of U2.

Oh, I don't care about it. I don't know anything about their process. I just think in terms of public perception, he's the second most famous. Yeah, I don't even know anybody. I only know Bono and The Edge. Yeah. Who the fuck is everybody else? I don't know.

I could be a bad U2 fan because I'm not. Speaking of celebrities going around in disguises, you guys, there's this new Bill Clinton novel that he co-wrote with James Patterson. And he's going on book tour talking about that shit. Which is so crazy because when I first started hearing about it, I was like, oh, he wrote a biography. And then you're like, this is fiction? Yes, this is fiction.

Cool, Bill Clinton. fiction? Yes, this is fiction. Cool. It is about a fictional president who is a war hero whose wife dies immediately. This is horrible. Because of his super cum. This is worse than George W.'s paintings.

Oh, 100%. And her dying words are, promise me, you'll meet someone else, Jonathan. Oh, no. Are you for real? Yeah, for real. She was a brilliant law student when she met Duncan. His name is so fucking bad.

What is it? It is Jonathan Lincoln Duncan. Lincoln Duncan? This is just totally ruining my impression of him. Tootin' smokin' Lincoln Duncan. I think just totally ruining my impression of him. Tooting, smoking, Lincoln Duncan. I think that that's Bill Clinton. I personally view myself to be Duncan on Lincoln. I get Lincoln Duncan, so they're not on to me.

But he wouldn't realize that. I feel like that's probably accurate, but he doesn't have the access to his own, I don't know. He doesn't seem self aware in the writing of this book not based on this story so one of the things he does the book is called The President's

Missing and there's some shit going down and he decides he can't just stand by so he goes out to his friend a beautiful Hollywood actress and she gives him a disguise that he wears around are they going to say head?

she gives him a head sanctioned by his wife totally his wife's last words are anyone can suck you off and you don't have to feel bad remember me just kidding you don't have to even bad. Remember me. Just kidding. You don't have to.

Even if it was before I died, it's all good though. She does give him head in the sense that she gives him a disguise, a fake head. She gives him a head. She gives him a head. Or a Hasidic Jew disguise. Right. And he goes around fighting crime in a disguise, like a makeup disguise. Wait, he does?

Yes. Keep your fan fiction to yourself, Lincoln. I'm in a disguise, like a makeup disguise. Wait, he does? Yes. Keep your fan fiction to yourself, Lincoln. Wait, hold on. I'm sorry. I only started. I couldn't get past the part when it was just sort of like, it's about this fictional president. But you're saying he becomes a superhero, and that's why the president is missing? So there are cyber terrorists, obviously.

Cyber hacker. Yeah. Hacker. Hacker. Zeroes. One. AI. They want to take down America with a looming internet virus that is called Dark Ages.

This is why old men can't write about computers. Exactly. So he decides that the only person who can stop this is him as president. A man with no experience fighting cyber crime. He's like, I know I have Windows 95, but this seems like a job for me. Yeah. Super producer Ana Hosni,

while we were discussing this, sent me a wonderful gif of President Clinton sitting at a computer, looking at it and giving a real confident thumbs up. Like, I like computers. All right. I understand this 100%. Thumbs up. Like, I like computers. All right. I understand this 100%. Score Brazzers is doing a free preview weekend.

3D pinball rules. One of Lincoln Duncan's female advisors was, quote, publicly branded by a crude reference to oral sex. Uh-oh. Why do this? Why volunteer yourself like this? Fact. And then he seemed taken aback when he was on this book tour.

In 2018. NBC was like, hey, man, so let's talk about the Lewinsky thing, maybe. Have you apologized to her? Yo, this interaction is interesting. He goes, I've apologized to everybody in the world. Right. He said yes and was hoping they would leave it at that. And he was like, wait, so you've really talked to her one-on-one?

He was like, no. I have not talked to her. I apologize to everyone. In the world. Yeah. And then he was like, I did a public apology. So, yeah, it was just, he got real testy. He was like, should JFK apologize?

Should Lyndon Johnson apologize? Like, way to throw the other presidents under the bus. But also, asshole, you wrote a book where your wife died and it's cool to fuck around now. You straight up murdered Hillary, page three. I'd imagine, what if the book starts off on her deathbed? Like, a breathing machine can be heard in the background. Just get the important business out of the way first. The subtle hum of life support equipment. on her deathbed. Beep. Like a breathing machine can be heard in the background. They just get the important business out of the way first.

The subtle hum of life support equipment. Oh, also, he's president and awesome at everything. Then the nurse came in and said, I'm so sorry. Do you want to hook up? You're so hot, Mr. President. I said, I guess so.

My wife said it's cool. She was pregnant. As Goofy, this story is so, he is just so clueless. And of course he's volunteering himself for this question. How does he not see it coming? But also it seems like kind of a common view among men who have done something like this to a woman. There's a great piece Monica Lewinsky wrote earlier, I think it was this year in Vanity Fair,

that sort of harkens to this. But that someone who has done wrong against a woman, apologizing publicly makes it so that you don't have to apologize privately, which is such an insane thing. And I think even on a way smaller scale, that thought process prevails of like, well, if I release a statement,

that's basically the same thing as confronting. The most personal act possible, releasing a statement. Exactly. Like written by your fucking publicist. I mean, I had an experience like that myself where it was just like, I was never apologized to, but there was like,

someone was like, hey, everybody, I did it, and my bad, but it's just like, that doesn't absolve you. It's PR. It's not being a person.

I'm sorry that happened. That's fucking awful. You know, I am certainly not alone there. Yeah, that's kind of really heartbreaking to hear, actually. Just for him to even, I think the logic that he even uses, or maybe these men use, is sort of like, well, I apologize, and they probably heard it.

Therefore, it's a personal apology that I did publicly. I looked into a camera, and if she was looking at the screen then i would be looking into her eyes so yes did i apologize no do it i and it's like do i think that he does believe that yes but i also do believe that you know deep down he knows he's being a fucking coward and has been a coward for 20 years that's why he gets testy when people really press him. Right. I think he is the best example of the fact that, you know how they say that the average intelligence in a cult is actually above average, like they tend to be smarter, and it's because smart people can argue themselves

into believing anything? Right. I think Clinton is the perfect example of that in that he can argue himself into being right in any situation because he's got this like incredible analytical you know lawyers mind and so he's just I don't think he's felt guilt about anything in years decades and I was like yeah I can write this book about killing people with my super cum fucking ruined her dress so in this piece that monica lewinsky wrote uh it's interesting because she's talking about how at uh yeah this came out in march uh she's talking about how around new years this past new year's she ran into ken star at a restaurant and that was like the first time

she'd ever met him and he like sort of apologized to her, but it was very awkward. And it's just like the fact that you have to accidentally run into someone 20 years later to get a sort of apology. And even then he was like, yeah, weird, weird time, wasn't it? You know, and like still couldn't fully commit to an apology. It's just like, you know. Yeah, I mean, it was crazy. Do you want some of my Bloomin' Onion?

They were definitely at Outback, for sure. They were, for sure. I picture Ken Starr always eating at Outback or a Sizzler. I don't know. I feel like Monica Lewis gets better taste. I was going to say Chili's. Oh, wow. I thought he was like, it's Marg Monday.

Marg Monies. Pop in, get a $6 Marg, and I really think about the shit I've done in the past. I do want to just stop here and say that the Outback Steakhouse chicken wings are good. Okay. Hashtag ad. Okay. Hashtag ad.

Hashtag we weren't even paid for it. Hashtag where's my money? Outback Steakhouse. Hashtag me too. I just want to hear from other people. I felt like this was the perfect time to give them a plug um the older i get the crazier it is to me that america turned on a 22 year old girl like 22 is so fucking young oh yeah it's insane but that shows you how far we've come, too, where, like, if someone tried to pull that kind of shit now, people at least have, most people have the wherewithal to be like, whoa, easy here.

What are you trying to say? How are you trying to spin this on this person? Yeah. Yeah. Right. I'm glad that Clinton comes out of this one looking like a fucking moron. And I hope no one buys his book. No, just watch the clip.

We'll have it in the footnotes because you'll see him start sweating a little bit. I also think that James Patterson, I believe, yes, James Patterson, so he's written like a million books. But my favorite book, so I was saying I used to work at a bookstore and he rolled through once for the debut of his book, Rogue Lawyer. No! Which is maybe one of the worst books of all time. Literally on the last page, it's like, I couldn't be a regular lawyer. I am a rogue lawyer. I'm not like the other rogue lawyers.

The Larry H. Parker story. I hope he says, objection, Your Honor, before shooting somebody at some point. Oh, no, it's John Grisham. Never mind. Never mind. Cut that out. Rogue Lawyer. Anyways, hashtag ad, anyways hashtag ad rogue lawyer came out in 2015 that is the john grisham book that you would write like once john grisham just starts farming it out to a ghost writer right like who's just knows that all right

what's the most john grisham book you can write that John Grisham hasn't written yet. Rogue Lawyer. Pulled from a word cloud. Right. Exactly. Fuck. In better news, an FBI agent accidentally shot a gun while doing a backflip on the dance floor at a bar. And it's a great video that everybody should just

go out and watch. You gotta watch it. Treat yourself. This guy doing a little stanky leg. He's like literally the dance floor is like cleared out for him to like just get low with it. He's really, you know, he has some honey in his hips. I won't lie. This all happened about 1245 on a Saturday night at the Mile High Spirits Distillery and Tasting Bar in downtown Denver. And your boy just after he realized he got everybody's attention, he's doing all his little thotty moves. He does a back flip

and his fucking gun comes out and falls on the floor and then he goes to pick it up the gun goes off and it hit a man in the leg so man's gonna be fine which is why it is okay for this to be the funniest video who knows I mean again and wasn't he like

oh my bad you see the shit go off and he like puts it back and he just sort of puts his hands up like, we're good, we're good, we're good. That was crazy, right? Yeah, he's like, that backflip was crazy though, right? He's like, anyways, anyone single here? You're just like, you just shot someone. By the way, one of the most irresponsible movie myths that we ever debunked at Cracked is the idea that if you drop a gun and it hits the ground, it will go off.

Because the way that guns actually kill people when they fall is if you try to catch it or try and pick it up too quick because you're worried it's going to go off. Oh, and you actually grab the trigger. Yeah, and then you pull the trigger. But guns will not go. A gun can't land on a trigger, right? Right. Yeah, exactly. And they're designed specifically not to.

It's all because of your favorite director, James Cameron, in True Lies. Yes. Jam Camp? Yeah, Jam Camp. When Jamie Lee Curtis

come around with that Uzi like, get the fuck out! And she drops it and smokes the whole warehouse. A room full of people. Crimson Jihad got fucked up. I think that that video

goes perfectly with what we were talking about on Friday where cops have no game. Right, on Friday where cops have no game. They just have no game. Cut to this off-duty FBI agent being like, let me do a backflip with a fucking gun in my waist.

Alright, Cheddar Bob. Jamie, as always, what a pleasure it's been having you. It's good to have the gang back together. Am i right uh where can people find you you can find me on twitter.com at jamie loft as help and uh on instagram at jamie christ superstar i highly recommend both oh and listen to the bechdel cast every thursday please do i highly recommend all three of those things. Miles, where can people find you? You can find me on Twitter and

Instagram at milesofgray. Thank you. You can find me at jack__obrien on Twitter. You can find us at Daily Zeitgeist on Twitter. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, dailyzeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and

our footnotes. We link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as the song that we write out. Miles, what's that going to be? Okay, so over the weekend I was talking to some people and they put me on to this band, Homeshake, which I kind of heard about because it's like a solo project of Mac DeMarco's former guitar player, this guy Peter.

So this is a track from H Home Shake called Give It To Me. And I think you're going to like it. I think you're going to enjoy this little jam coming out of Canada. You know, it's got vibes. It's vibe. All right. We're going to ride out on that. We will be back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast.

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