The Daily Zeitgeist - Yeezy = Small Business, Racism Double Down 7.8.20

Episode Date: July 8, 2020

In episode 667, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian and Bitchuation Room host Francesca Fiorentini to discuss PPP going to the rich and not the small businesses who need it, Mark Wahlberg's Patriots... Day film, Trump pushing racism, and more!FOOTNOTES: Trump administration hands emergency loans to Kanye West and Church of Scientology as small businesses go bust De Niro-backed restaurants took 14 coronavirus aid loans Trump donors among early recipients of coronavirus loans A Mark Wahlberg Flop Totally Dominated Netflix On July 4 And I Can't Get Enough Why Mark Wahlberg's Patriots Day is a vanity project: For a movie that has taken such great pains to be authentic, Wahlberg's casting defies reason The bizarro big business of Mark Wahlberg and national tragedy Boston Critic Defies ‘Patriots Day’ Praise: ‘Exploitation,’ ‘Narcissism,’ ‘Propaganda’ "Patriots Day" Is The First Movie Of Trump's America Trump’s push to amplify racism unnerves Republicans who have long enabled him The Memo: Trump's race tactics fall flat Lindsey Graham Breaks With Trump On NASCAR Tweet, Says Confederate Flag Isn't a Good Way to Grow a Business WATCH: Little Beaver: Get into the Party Life Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:11 to season 141 episode 3 of your daily zeitgeist a production of iheart radio this is a podcast where we take a deep dive into america's shared consciousness and say officially off the top, fuck the Koch brothers, fuck Fox News, fuck Rush Limbaugh, fuck Buck Saxon, fuck JK Rowling, fuck Ben Shapiro.
Starting point is 00:02:35 And it's... Maybe even Jack O'Brien. What? Whatever, I don't know. We're beefing. We're beefing. I don't know, whatever, it's all good. Just do your show or whatever. Do your show. Do your little show. Whatever. It's all good. Just do your show or whatever. Do your show.
Starting point is 00:02:46 Do your little show. Why don't you put that in your little show? Do your little comedy show. Oh, man. You guys need to talk about something? What? Who, us? No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:03:00 We just haven't been on the show at the same time, and the social medias are a flutter with about four tweets. People speculating that there's something wrong. I love it, though. It's a great creative direction for the show. Yeah. Anyway, sorry, I digress. Go back to the...
Starting point is 00:03:16 We got to be like the Doughboys, and I feel like there's a lot of podcasts that thrive off of a fake staged animosity between the hosts. We have yet to tap into that. Well, because the thing we bring people in with is just love. You know, it's not just love. Love, love, love. Anyways.
Starting point is 00:03:36 It's got to be too much. Guys, I think it might be episode 666, or yesterday was episode 666. Somebody told us that. 666. Yeah. It's Wednesday, July 8th, 2020. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Picture this.
Starting point is 00:03:52 I am Jack of Wicks. Oh, Lantern match sticks. I'm a Bic. I will torch this fucking house with a flicks. I can't click. I will surf the natural Twitch watching Twitch. I can start a conversation real quick. That is courtesy of Hannah Saltis.
Starting point is 00:04:06 And I am thrilled to be joined, I usually say as always, but it's been too damn long, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! If we stop back up, if we stop back up, stop back up, just never stop, never stop, Never, never, never, never. Just fucking go inside. Wow. Just get the fuck inside. Okay, thank you to
Starting point is 00:04:34 at Crispy Scream, Christy Yamaguchi Main. I knew it had to be him. A lot has changed since I was away. You know, it sounds like our boy got out banished to the Twitter outskirts. They had to change up the old handle. So, hey, good to see you back.
Starting point is 00:04:54 Good to see you back. For using the politically incorrect term, I think hillbilly, maybe. I don't know. Oh, boy. See what happens, Crispy, when you upset some white conservative people on Twitter? Then they'll take these, oh, he said redneck. So I have to report this. Is that actually happening?
Starting point is 00:05:11 Someone's getting canceled for saying he'll eat some? I believe in the lore of Christy Yamaguchi main, shout out Billy, that he lost. He was reported for abusive language. But the language is like abusing terms like redneck. It's 2020, y'all. Nonsense. Hey, Miles. What is that voice that we hear?
Starting point is 00:05:33 It is today's guest. The hilarious and talented host of the Bitchuation Room. She is Francesca Fiorentini! Hey. What's going on? What's up? i have no nicknames just don't call me fran that's all i ask i mean situation room is pretty good oh thank you yeah yeah what's your what's your handle uh franny fio or franny fio or however you want to not fran okay franny fio isn't it currently frca Quarantini?
Starting point is 00:06:06 It is Francesca Quarantini. Is that your display name? It's my display name. I'm thinking of changing it to Francesca Guillotini. But I still want to be employable somewhere if we ever get to be employable other than in the ether of the internet. So I can't go too hard on the guillotine stuff yeah it sounds like it you know it's not like hillbilly but right you might just get banned
Starting point is 00:06:34 right from the zoom meeting for for using the i'm surprised my word copyright from uh from the the stones there which by the way the dance that accompanied that intro. I mean, if you watch that video, the whole point of that video, those Mick Jagger moves when he's got the little hands on the hips and he's just doing his little Bruce DeWalt schoolboy.
Starting point is 00:06:56 Yeah. If never stop, just woo. That video, you know, I remember I was really getting into the Rolling Stones in college because around the time I had started doing drugs and I was like, man, you know they were just fucking party, man. Watch this video, dude.
Starting point is 00:07:12 Like, Jagger's just fucking like, that's not even dancing. That sounded like a drug I don't think I did that much in college. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you know, different strokes for different folks. That is what that show is about by the way right yeah people just trying trying out different drugs yeah do you boof adderall or do you like to snort cocaine what's your how do you get down oh man boof and adderall
Starting point is 00:07:37 those were the days am i right i didn't know what boof meant until kavanaugh's confirmation that makes me feel sort of lame that i needed a conservative supreme court justice to teach me about like a way to take drugs but right yeah yeah yeah yes no for sure jack you are the lame one in that scenario totally uh all right francesca we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment first we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about uh we're gonna talk about who actually got those ppp loans uh we you know the the trump administration was very eager to uh kind of obfuscate make it difficult for us to see who was getting it, who they were giving money to.
Starting point is 00:08:26 And it turns out there's a very good reason for that. Trump is tripling down, I don't know, quadrupling, 600-ing down on white supremacy. We'll talk about that strategy and how his polls are responding. We're going to talk about mark walberg's uh boston bombing movie patriots day was number one on netflix you guys teased that yesterday didn't get to it i was i was sitting there very eager to hear your take on mark walberg's while you're working out in your garage gym yeah exactly just using the bands to tighten up the uh. Tries are for the guys. Tries are for the guys, man. And we'll also talk about the Taco Bell Literary Magazine
Starting point is 00:09:13 if we have time to get to it. We might also mention some of the fanfic people are writing. We put a call out, Super Producer Ana Jose put a call out for requesting storylines for why Miles and I are beefing because we weren't on the same episode for a week and a half. And we got some good ones. So maybe we'll get to a couple of those. But first, Francesca, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? All right.
Starting point is 00:09:41 Yay. Thank you. I'm so glad I knew I was going to be on this podcast weeks in advance so i could clean it all up no i'm kidding no one has any libido in in this pandemic in this economy are you kidding me um okay so search history i've been thinking about you know the ways that like dolphins are coming back to venice canal and like there's that was fake oh i was thinking about the ways that dolphins are coming back to Venice Canal. That was fake. Oh, I was thinking about the fake story about how dolphins aren't coming back to the Venice Canal.
Starting point is 00:10:17 I was so excited by that, too. And they're like, it's bullshit. Because everyone was like, the earth is healing itself. And I was like, how the fuck did I get duped by Twitter? Oh, that sucks. Okay, well, I will say I did go to the beach very socially distantly. And I saw not just one, but a fuck ton of dolphins. Wow.
Starting point is 00:10:37 And they were beautiful. And you know how they jump forward? I saw one jump back. They're like getting creative? Yeah, but it was like so happy that it was like, I'm going to jump backwards. Like it came out of the water backwards? Yeah. Or it looked like it was moving forward. It was like, somehow I'm just going to flip this script and do a little back lunge.
Starting point is 00:10:58 It was moving forward, but it was like back. Oh, shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, I like that. Just like happiness anyway this is a long way to go to say that i started looking up lisa frank images and lisa frank we all need lisa frank for the soul yes right now trapper keeper artist um big bold colors if you happen to be 21, you should just look this up. Her son runs the social media accounts now.
Starting point is 00:11:29 Love it. And then I started getting into Lisa Frank tattoos, and I was like, what if I just got one of those dolphins? I am very, like, not anti-tattoo, but I don't have one. And I'm like, maybe if Lisa Frank is my first one. Then I started looking up Lisa Frank tattoos. No, is the answer to that question yeah horrible just i see the uh like the lisa frank tiger or leopard print as like a sleeve or like a shoulder sleeve i've seen that a few times and i'm like i love look i love where you're coming from i love the intent uh the execution is a little bit unnerving. But yeah, she's kept real quiet.
Starting point is 00:12:06 We were talking about her recently because her social media still stays really relevant. We're like, what's going on? And it's because her young son is like, yeah, dude, I'm just kind of using the brand to engage with people and get them back into the brand. He's like 22 and in college. That's great. No, I think it should continue. I do have to say, I think her think the dolphin, her dolphins are the best.
Starting point is 00:12:27 They have eyelashes. I don't know. They make me happy. Like, when I look at the Lisa Frank rainbow dolphins, I'm like, I get happy and I will believe any story about the earth healing itself. Yeah. Even though the Arctic is 100 degrees Fahrenheit right now. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:44 Literal fires in the Arctic Circle too, right? So there's that also. Dolphins with eyelashes sound terrifying to me. No, it's a very nice winged eyelash in a lot of the renderings. They're gendered, unfortunately. The blue dolphin does not have eyelashes. He's wearing a necktie.
Starting point is 00:13:06 There's a lot of aliens coupling up. Very straight, heterosexual alien couples in Lisa Frank. You're depicting aliens, but they're still straight. Acid trip dolphins who are about to fuck on Mars.
Starting point is 00:13:21 They're going to do it backwards, though. Why don't you just start low stakes and just go with the full Lisa Frank leggings, graphic print leggings, hoodie, you know, like that. You know how people have that annoying neon style? Yeah. And then I realized it's not... Too much?
Starting point is 00:13:37 It's got to be ironic. I do appreciate a certain amount of irony in tattoos. Got it. Not like... But anyway anyway so i'm wondering like should i get it is it one is it a thigh kind of thing is it you know it's just a dolphin coming out of the water lisa frank tie tat full back hard vaccine about the full back like fucking ben affleck's Phoenix tattoo? It's hard.
Starting point is 00:14:08 I once saw this dude who I was really good friends with. He was a feminist. And I was like, yeah, he's great. He was a total radical. And then we went swimming. And then he took off his shirt. And he had a full back tat of just a naked chick coming out of water looking behind her. Oh, whoa. And I was like.
Starting point is 00:14:25 So like classy. Yeah. So he is an art major. Exactly. It could be the hood of a car. Like, it's fine. Like it's a form of life,
Starting point is 00:14:34 whatever, but it's also like, Oh, okay. Right. Awesome. Uh, Mark.
Starting point is 00:14:40 Anyway, what a thing to learn about Mark. Uh, what is something you think is underrated? Underrated? Medicare for all. Easy. If there's one thing that we emerge from this pandemic with, I hope that it is universal
Starting point is 00:14:56 health care or specifically Medicare for all. It's underrated. I mean, people are like, we're still trying to fix this broken health care system. The media is still like, oh, look at all this debt. Is there something wrong? And we can never overrate it enough. Medicare for all. Can you imagine, though, you can't make that extra step because you're making it hot for
Starting point is 00:15:19 your friends by being like, yeah, maybe if if uh these insurance companies like weren't making like hand over fist profits all the time like maybe it could be more i don't know what do i know sorry dave uh but you know like there's like this whole you know there is this refusal of the media constantly like just go that step further to like maybe inform people a little bit more of like how these things can be solved or what is actually the like the state of the health care industry it's not like i mean this industry is so cash-strapped it's like i don't know what to do these poor people it's like no people are making money off of this shit and the only thing is like it's such a profitable industry it's like there's just
Starting point is 00:16:00 too much lobbying money to be like oh you're not're not going to fuck this. This merry-go-round up for everybody now. But at some point, like we have to as a country say, like, do we agree with the sentiment that you have to be able to afford to be able to live? Like quite literally, can you afford staying alive? Yeah. And yeah, I mean, it's like right now all the lobbyists are behind the scenes. They're working on Dems. I mean, it's like right now all the lobbyists are behind the scenes. They're working on Dems.
Starting point is 00:16:29 They're riding them real hard, even in some of these, the bills that are trying to get passed but aren't getting passed through the Senate because it's GOP controlled. But it's like the health insurance lobbyists have been up in the HEROES Act, you know, which passed the House, and they're like doubling down on private health care. You know, they're doubling down on putting our money, our tax money into like things like COBRA, which if you guys out there and if you know if you ever lost or left a full-time job and went on to cobra it is it is much like the snake it is the it is the worst it is they're gouging you yeah um you have a better chance of surviving like without a job like fighting an actual cobra than like paying the fucking money to be unemployed
Starting point is 00:17:07 and try and have co it's like when i saw like i'm sorry do you think i'm like i don't have a job how the fuck do you think i'm gonna pay this insurance with oh okay sure right we're just well because you're more desperate now yeah it's truly you know the the cruelty of uh this system i don't know i mean and they're good they're good at it they're good at making people uh pay a lot of money you know while suffering uh so it's almost like if we put them all out of work first of all i'm not i'm not that worried about them because they chose to be in that industry but it's almost like if we put them all out of work, first of all, I'm not that worried about them because they chose to be in that industry. But if only we had a big, huge, global problem that we needed a bunch of people to focus all their time on
Starting point is 00:17:57 to solve almost a new deal for the modern era. Sure. Any color you want to assign to it. Yeah, pick a color, like a pink. Yeah, a pink new deal, like for the modern era. Sure. Any color you want to assign to it. Yeah, pick a color, like a pink. Yeah, a pink new deal. Did you see that Jane Goodall quote? She was like, man, if they don't figure it out after COVID-19, the human race is done.
Starting point is 00:18:16 Yeah. And I'm like, yeah, facts, straight facts. If this isn't enough for people to look at death, it's quite almost literally spilling into the streets because hospitals are at capacity. And we're still, or I don't know, I feel like the people are there. They are willing to be like,
Starting point is 00:18:34 yeah, there has to be a better way to do this. But now we're looking at the leadership class, which is completely too huddled up around these like fossilized industries that are just predatory that, you know, when is that going to, when, when, when can we break through that threshold that, you know, there were, there'll be actual action where they're not being like, okay, let's take this thing where the sentiment is good, where we're trying to acknowledge people
Starting point is 00:18:58 are destitute and need help, but let's not just piss it down to nothing. So, you know, private companies are still, you you know reaping most of the benefits yeah right i mean yeah it's it's it's unfixable at this point so yeah you're right gotta lead with what what's your priority what's the what's the driving you morally around this issue yeah you shouldn't go broke over health care shouldn't go broke trying to get better from covid fuck the politics why is my premium going up 35 a month or excuse me a year when like i has anyone been to a doctor in the last six months anyone like the four months who like isn't pregnant you know like we're not using it yeah right has anyone gotten like a like
Starting point is 00:19:40 oh well you know what we're just gonna lower your rates since you're probably not coming in and yes you did cancel your appointment no right and since this podcast talks about american culture uh americans should be ready for i i feel like this is a preview for what the solving of the global uh climate change uh problem is going to look like where America goes in feeling superior and is exposed as the main, like the biggest problem on the globe. Basically we're, we're the worst at COVID-19. And I think unless things drastically change,
Starting point is 00:20:17 we're going to have to get used to being the worst at solving existential problems with, with for humans survival. Yeah. Cool. What's something you think is overrated? Oh, God. Overrated.
Starting point is 00:20:35 Okay, I want to support them. I do think they should get PPP, but bars are overrated. I have gotten very into a mythology in the quarantine. And I think drinking establishments, especially indoor ones. And now that like, we know it's better to be outdoors,
Starting point is 00:20:56 make them all outdoors. They smell bad. They're too dark. And you can make these drinks at home, man. I've been investing in things like maraschino liquor. What? And like chartreuse, which I wouldn't recommend that one.
Starting point is 00:21:17 Raspberry liqueur. I'm looking at my little midlife crisis corner over here with all my alcohol. 99 bananas uh what else fireball uh no and no look you invest like a hundred dollars just a hundred and it'll last you you could have a drink a really delicious cocktail every single day did the math for a month years oh for 10 years no be three dollars a cocktail per day and compared to like 13 bucks 15 bucks come on they're gouging us it's fun screw baking get into mixing if you're sober you can make a little mock teeny yeah so i think bars are overrated i i want them to survive
Starting point is 00:22:01 i want small businesses to survive but i I'm just like, I want them. I want them. I enjoy mixing. I enjoy drinking alone. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. What? Yeah. Without like,
Starting point is 00:22:12 yeah, having to hear some like remix of journey that no one asked for. Yeah. Yeah. I think everybody learns like how much more efficiently you can do things at home. Like, cause we've been such a,
Starting point is 00:22:25 the thing that the pandemic has caused is this sort of de-emphasize like our sort of hyper consumption way of living where it's like, yeah, just go there, pull the thing off the shelf that you need to fucking break it open on your face and then keep it moving and then just rinse and repeat. And I like, damn, like, well, just with these few things, like I can make 17 meals out of like like this this amount of groceries right and i'm like yes yes yes i i should have taken a second but yeah but i guess it's that balance of time thing now that we have more time that we're able
Starting point is 00:22:56 to do that but all that to say is yeah bars freak the shit out of me now whenever i see images of them or whatever and i know yes people you know have this need to get out but if there's still something very very eerie about seeing it also just for the people who still have to work and that's why i feel like you know i it's not that the it's like fuck these bars it's like fuck the situation where people have to forcibly reopen to begin making money because that's the only way to survive. Like there's no safety net whatsoever. So that's really, yeah. So, you know, fuck the system, but also bars overrated.
Starting point is 00:23:33 And bars are freaky too. Especially indoor bars. Let's just say outdoor bars. Are there any outdoor bars in LA right now that are doing? They had to close it back. Everything's a nightmare. I don't even know. I'm asking as if I go. So I did see one and i did see a couple and they looked very tempting i mean
Starting point is 00:23:50 i enjoy i enjoy the experience but i just feel like oh we are getting like yeah we're getting rolled on we're getting rolled with some of those drinks that's just really like i i'm. I'm not a beer person. Makes me all bloaty. But we're getting rolled with the cocktails. Yeah. Yeah. What is a myth? What's something people think is true you know to be false or vice versa? Oh, God. Everything's so serious.
Starting point is 00:24:15 You guys are like, she's so funny. And she takes everything seriously. Dude, billionaire fragility is so real. So the myth for me is like billion that billionaires earn their money they did not earn all their money they exploited other people's labor intellectual physical they have vast schemes of not paying taxes which allows them to accrue that amount of money their investments then double down on that uh they didn't earn their billions maybe a few million yeah but like getting into the billion bezos trillionaire territory stop with the they
Starting point is 00:24:53 they earned it oh yeah because one day i'm gonna smart man really figure out this new fangled i don't know like whatever project you've got you you're working on, it's not going to succeed. Okay. Nobody wants to fund that. Yeah. Oh, the billions though, you know, would be so sweet. That's why I want to go easy on them. Because one day I could be one.
Starting point is 00:25:15 Right. And I don't want people to go hard. Don't go hard on me because I could be a billionaire too. So that's why I praise my corporate overlords. Shout out to Bezos. That worked for a shockingly long amount of time. And I do think that history books will look back and be like, wow, people were just cool with these five people
Starting point is 00:25:36 having all of their money. Like, yeah, and just robbing from them. But yeah, you know. And it's funny because it happened before. I love looking at these old photos of the robber barons with their giant mustaches and like yeah like if billionaires just had to dress like like curly mustache top hat we'd all be like hey that guy's fucking has way too much money right like if we had to all be covered in soot and then every every billionaire had to wear a top hat,
Starting point is 00:26:06 it would be a lot clearer. The top, yeah. They're disguising it with athleisure. Jeff Bezos always looks like he's coming back from a hike and so we're like, well, okay. I don't know. At least he's staying active. Cool tech vest.
Starting point is 00:26:19 Yeah, he's... He's one of the people. We just need to normalize looking at billionaires as criminal activity. That's really the difference. Because right now, we look upon a billionaire and go, damn, look at that. That would be tight.
Starting point is 00:26:36 Unless they spend half their time giving their money away. Just actively giving it away. More than that. If you have billions of dollars, you're good with 10 give 90 away uh but i think we also like the discourse is like these people are stealing from everyone um and they're and like you know remember when the fucking panama papers come out we're like okay so rich people have like sucked fucking earth dry, and then they hide their cash in other places so no one can ever touch it because they're like, fuck you, mine.
Starting point is 00:27:10 You can just die due to lack of resources. But it's still like, oh, man, that's so fucking cool, man. Fucking have nine jets and shit. It's like, no, bro, this is criminal shit. I want a space tank. What's it called? Space tank? Tesla tank?
Starting point is 00:27:25 Cyber truck? Cyber truck. Cyber tank? Space tank. I like space tank. What's it called? Space tank? Tesla tank? Cybertruck? Cybertruck. Cybertank? Space tank. I like space tank. I mean, cybertruck sounds lame too, but I remember I was in someone's Uber or Lyft or whatever it was. I don't mess with Uber.
Starting point is 00:27:37 And he was, this guy, the driver was telling me all about how he's saving up for the cybertruck. And I'm just like, no. Pull over. Pull over over bro yeah pull over let's talk you don't need a cyber truck nobody needs one nobody why are you saving up i mean that's the other thing like we buy into this crap right it's like you're driving for lyft right now like that's fine but like clearly you're not in a cyber truck situation right now right and the dissonance of having your belongings in something and them not being poorly rendered in a 16-bit video game is like it's gonna look really weird in the in the bed of that thing yeah yeah the fragility of the
Starting point is 00:28:22 people who have power is pretty shocking and just constantly on display these days with the way the police have responded to requests that they stop. Because they know how bad they are. Right. You know what I mean? And they're like, the second everyone is on the same page realizing how bad this is, then I'm not in a good place. So that's why, you know, the same thing with like the police. It only used to be a little number of activists and they could deal with that. It's like, yeah, well, let's just say, you know, mainstream media hasn't caught up yet.
Starting point is 00:28:59 So we're good. And like we can still laugh, laugh and smile and act like we're working hand in hand with the fucking community. But like when the public sentiment changes, look now they're like, oh, fuck, the lights are on and they're seeing this shit for what it is. And now like it's just like the lamest defenses, like self victimizing, like crying at a podium because of the work they do for the communities. Like it's just bullshit. And I think it's the same thing with billionaires they know it's like a pyramid scheme where they're just siphoning up all this revenue from people and they're like man one day they might figure out that like i'm sitting in an office and they're breaking their backs out there but i've got like a hundred thousand of them doing at the same time
Starting point is 00:29:40 so i'm like laughing my ass off uh and when people begin to actually put that shit together then they'll be like oh oh oh well hold on now because i started this out of a out of a garage back when you know your parents could give you a loan to buy a house to start a business out of uh all right guys let's take a quick break and we'll be right back with a couple of stories. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life. It's too late for that. I have a proposal for you.
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Starting point is 00:34:00 So sign up for Body and Soul at katiecouric.com slash bodyandsoul. Taking better care of yourself is just a click away and we're back and uh so we're getting a little bit of visibility into where those ppp loans went i know a bunch of small business owners who were waiting didn't get any information long time still still waiting. Some of them just officially got turned down with no explanation. And we are finding out where a lot of that money went. Or some of it, at least. I mean, what do Nobu, Robert De Niro, Kanye West,
Starting point is 00:34:42 Jared Kushner's family, and Scientology all have in common? A shitload of Trump donors. Dude, PPP money. I mean, I get it. Yeezy's been doing a really good job lobbying the president personally over the last few years, so I understand he's in that trusted circle of Trump supporters. But make no mistake, Kanye West is a billionaire, of Trump supporters.
Starting point is 00:35:04 But this, make no mistake, Kanye West is a billionaire. And he received, I think they say, $5 million for his company. To avoid, he says, to avoid laying off 62 people. Let me ask you this, Kanye. If $5 million is all it took, you couldn't come up with that $5 million? And then would you give that $5 million to maybe a black business owner who was also looking for that money could you do that or or do i need to give you that money too uh well but now he's focusing on his presidential campaign look yeah yeah miles there you know it takes a lot to research the next shade of tan all right you think you know them all
Starting point is 00:35:40 but there are more to be discovered yeah just when you think you've yeah rummaged through every sun bleached sweatshirt in a like a clearance bin and you've seen all the colors of the bin right you have not no yeah i five million is basically how much you know looters in los angeles took from adidas stores of yeezy gear and good on them for doing that he was just like i want that money back yeah but think of those small businesses clearly because that's you know because that was the thing you would see in the news coverage just like oh i mean these poor small businesses like this van store this small business owner you can be assured i'm like it's a fucking anyway right scientology like three of their churches received loans between 150 and 350 000 the nobu group okay nobu nobu nobu nobu you this is where
Starting point is 00:36:28 all the fucking uncreative people go to eat fancy japanese food um you know like mats like nobu yuki mats he's like he's a great chef but then his brand got away from him became this celeb thing this there's a there are branded nobu hotels around the globe. And not to mention Robert De Niro is also an investor in this restaurant group. They got loans that add up between $11 and $27 million. Now, I understand the restaurant industry is have a whiff of this money unless unless we take care of everybody else and there's some shit left over then fine easy take fucking 15 bucks but there i know there are plenty of restaurants locally that i look at in the city that i'm like
Starting point is 00:37:21 dude how the fuck is nobu getting 11 between 11 and 27 million dollars and i'm looking at places just fighting tooth and nail to just to make their rent right these like mom and pop restaurants imagine what your like favorite taqueria or your favorite like falafel spot or whatever like you know mom and pop thai place that you eat at or whatever whatever you wherever you go to imagine what they could do with a million dollars just one five hundred thousand half a million you know that they are way better at spending that money knowing how to like utilize that money for for not just for rent but you know for whatever for the long run i mean again and
Starting point is 00:38:03 everyone's saying this but it's like the places that got bailouts, like it's it's OK. Maybe if Shake Shack needed a bailout for them in six months to a year to get something. But Shake Shack could survive. Nobu can survive those six months. Kanye West can survive. You could survive for those months. But all these other places we're thinking about and places we love. No, they a month.
Starting point is 00:38:24 They can't they can't survive even a month or two without without patrons that's why again i think we have to be people need to look at how the wealthy are just raiding these public funds just so they're not they don't have to dig into their own pockets meanwhile normal people are out here in like free fall, total free fall. And I just hope that's where, again, people need to begin connecting those dots where it's not just like, oh, that's lame that they took that money. Like, no, this is exactly what's happening.
Starting point is 00:38:56 This is exactly why parts of our cities look the way they do and people are not supported because there's a habit of wealthy people to just be like, Oh yeah, I'm because of my proximity to power, I can dip into shit real quick and easy. And you know,
Starting point is 00:39:11 well, you're fucked if you're poor, cause you don't have the ear of these people or the, you know, the wherewithal or the connections to the infrastructure to get this. And then laundering their guilt through, you know, celebrity, celeb culture and celeb obsession and PR and,
Starting point is 00:39:25 you know, the mainstream media basically. Good God. That is a beautiful term. Uh, and then meanwhile, 273 million in federal coronavirus aid was awarded to, uh,
Starting point is 00:39:38 more than 100 companies that are owned or operated by major donors to president Trump's election efforts. So it's exactly what we thought when it happened and yeah i don't know if it's just like i i don't know why this isn't the biggest well i guess because there's so many other massive uh stories about america it's overload being on yeah it's complete overload but I think that's also by design that once you just pour in and start just raking the entire American system for, you know, with corruption, you're going to overload the mainstream media and they're not going to know what to do. And then social media becomes. becomes i mean i definitely i'm just like i'm looking squarely at the democrats on this one you know because they're so obsessed with looking like bad people forgetting that the other side relishes in being the villain and they're so scared of not approving any kind of assistance
Starting point is 00:40:39 to the public which is great i mean at this, looking back on it, right, 1,200 stimulus per person, not enough, but at least it was like, okay, blanket. Everybody gets it who makes under a certain amount. Cool. Done. Maybe they should have done that with businesses. Instead, we handed the most corrupt government in memory a, what, $2 trillion stimulus package and handed it to steve effing minutian the former foreclosure king straight up 2008 that was his title foreclosure king for him and you know to dole it out as he saw fit you know so it's like obviously we saw this coming and the democrats because they're so afraid of looking weak or they're so afraid of looking mean, they can't be like, no, no, no, we just impeached your ass a month ago. We're not forgetting what happened. Let's pull back and like have some oversight or like we're going to run it through Congress or we're going to run it, whatever it was just. I mean, and maybe
Starting point is 00:41:39 there was no way to avoid it. I'm just I am shocked at how unshocking this is it would have dragged out right because the i think the republicans defense would just be like look what they're doing look what they're doing look what they're doing and like on some level it's true so that's why they're like fuck i don't know how much political capital we burn through being like yes we know we're holding it up but the thing you don't understand is they're just gonna give it to another guy okay hold on oh then okay so white supremacy is okay so uh hold on give me my kente cloth okay so white supremacy uh uh bad right it's bad okay yes it's bad like it's just they don't it's it really is it's so weak as shit but that's why it just shows you both of these people both parties are not there it's the same the probably it's not again it's not
Starting point is 00:42:26 about the fucking progressive or conservative agenda it's that this entire government and system of government has been co-opted by this like corporate class is corporatocracy and so every and every mother nearly i won't say every but nearly every senator and congressperson is like a nascar right that they go to the racetrack except that's the hill and they got all their sponsors they should be wearing sponsors on their fucking clothes like you have okay tide the rio tinto mining company 3m procter and gamble unilever like you should be able to see like when they're making speeches so you know okay so this is already who puts you here this is who you rock with so when i'm when i when i hear you saying well you know i don't we should
Starting point is 00:43:09 know if we need to go around like these predatory like payday bank companies and you like you got jp morgan chase fucking tatted on your throat then i go of course you don't want any of this you are you've been brought here by this company to make sure that you you muck up as much legislation as possible to keep those profits moving. Because at the end of the day, a lot of these bills go from like objectively the best thing you could do or not always a lot. I mean, it depends on the legislator putting the bill forward. But a lot of them start off saying this is an objectively good thing we should do. And then it goes into committee. The fucking roaches and
Starting point is 00:43:45 termites like eat the shit out of it. And now it's like this hollowed out husk of a thing that still isn't substantive enough that the bullshit can blow right through it. So I still think, though, that it's just like there should have been a protection against the kind of this kind of corruption because it was so obvious. So it's like, yeah, the only reason Republicans would never say, oh, you're holding out on the common man. You know, no, we know that that's BS. So make them fight for it more. Make them put in more protections.
Starting point is 00:44:12 And I feel like that wasn't attempted because I think Democrats are not they're not worried about what Republicans they're worried about, like what sort of the the status quo would think or what sort of, they're afraid of looking, again, they're just afraid of looking minimally tough. I don't know. They're afraid of having a bit of a spot. They just want everyone to like them. That's just the thing. It's the kid at school,
Starting point is 00:44:35 just like me. Okay, fine. I know I said racism is bad and you said, what'd you say? And I was like, okay, fine. Just, okay. You can have a little bit of racism as a treat,
Starting point is 00:44:51 but we're not, we don'll do away with all of it like there's this need to be liked even though when there is something morally objectively good about something you're trying to do be like what don't worry about people who can't connect to the fact that you are trying to do something that is good like i can't see an argument against someone being like you know what robert de niro needs money i know he's worth 500 million dollars but nobu group together needed that 11 million that doesn't make sense that would never hold water but of course there's you know we have in this whole media game where you'll spin it as it'll never be about nobu they'll just they'll find some guy who owns a mechanic shop in Indiana or something,
Starting point is 00:45:28 and that's the person who's really getting fucked over. Yeah. So it's all very, yeah. It will be interesting to see how the Democrats managed to fuck up the messaging that when the country was at our greatest moment of weakness and urgency in terms of you know needing financial aid uh the trump administration basically robbed us like they they're going to have to you contort themselves into so such uncomfortable positions to manage
Starting point is 00:46:01 to fuck that up in the run-up to the to the election but i have faith in them it's a good kanye uh talking point for sure the it really is i mean i andrew t uh in one of his first appearances on this show talked about the gish gallop which is this debating technique where you say something in like three words that is so false but requires like a couple sentences to debunk and like that just it just seems like it's the entire strategy now that the republicans are employing and the democrats are still not able to deal with yeah we just need more politicians with the mentality of like i don't care what you think because you are you are an idiot actually i'm sorry that i have to
Starting point is 00:46:51 say that but you need your medicine and i don't give a fuck what fox news told you about this you are poor for this reason i am talking about right fucking now so don't think that when this passes somehow someone's gonna come to your doorstep and fucking you know fuck up your your ford dodge charger or whatever the fuck you think it is like whatever private property or something turned about like this the same way that yeah we're the same way republicans don't give a fuck about their transparent corruption people on the left need to not give a fuck about transparently trying to dismantle these oppressive systems and i'll give a fuck i need to explain to you i need to explain to a racist person why over policing is bad like i don't give i don't i don't owe you that explanation
Starting point is 00:47:35 it's a bad thing and trust me you will not be less safe uh with like the proper reforms that are investing in a community where you have more support for your mental health, your family has more support if they have substance abuse issues, that if you need an education or need to go to trade school to begin some kind of occupation or job, you can do that. So people need to abandon this idea that you need to sell people on things that are really for their own benefit. to sell people on things that are really for their own benefit but that's the that's the fucking the whole game here is that you're like left to debate why this is good and i think that's what you were saying earlier like at the game for me the game is this but over focusing on the individual so health medicare for all we all know that collectively it's good but the media and left
Starting point is 00:48:22 right whatever we over focus on like, hey, you there, you know, yeah, Susan, you know what I mean? What do you think? Do you like your personal healthcare and your doctor personally in the last six, like whatever, we specialize it so much, we over-focus and we lift up the individual, like, well, I like the individual choice to choose my doctor. Well, guess what? That's not actually the question. That's not actually what we're talking about. We're talking about a system of healthcare that does or does not provide what it is supposed to. Right now, we're just like, well, if I get mangled by a truck, then I won't, my family won't get bankrupt. Thank you for charging
Starting point is 00:49:03 me too much for that you know freedom so yeah yeah i mean i think again and you're right left right everyone benefits from that hyper focusing on individuals what do you think individually about wearing a mask like i don't can you breathe how about you talk to a scientist says i don't get why the fuck you asking some person who doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about exactly but i think that's the whole point the media works in that way right because it has to obscure or recontextualize an issue rather than talking about the greater good of medicare fall you find somebody who works in a small medical company who's really scared about what medical care for all could mean for
Starting point is 00:49:37 them but then you and that's good because then you're protecting the insurance industry when it came to the black lives matter marches that were going on, I didn't see many people asking individually people on the street while they were protesting, hey, what's going on, sir? What's going on? What do you feel about America? Like, let me get your take on this person on the street. Suddenly, I just need to hear about fucking Sheriff Alex Villanueva being like, yeah, we got this militarized fucking cyber truck out there that'll, like, power wash the fucking street with the blood of leftists. Like, it's a fucking... Those are the voices they're elevating. Yeah.
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Starting point is 00:53:57 you can still watch us, but you got to listen. Like if you're watching us, you have to tell us like if you're out the window, you have to say, hey, I'm watching you outside of the window. Just just you know what? Listen to the Amber and Lacey, Lacey and Amber show on Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. and we're back and uh we do like to check in with what is trending uh on netflix what is the what's in the top 10 uh we sometimes do a weekly uh rewatch of something that's in the top 10 and talk about it with you guys uh that is going to be impossible uh the July 4th weekend because I refused to watch the movie Patriot's Day. Was it trending on the buildup when you were picking the episode? No, it wasn't.
Starting point is 00:54:54 Oh, okay. So that organically, 4th of July weekend, boom. Boom. Okay. Right. On 4th of July, Patriot's Day leapt to number one on Netflix. Disney Plus had Hamilton, so obviously that probably dwarfed
Starting point is 00:55:10 what Patriot's Day was doing over on Netflix. But it's just wild to see this shitty Mark Wahlberg movie that, I mean, I do kind of, maybe I do need to see this movie because it sounds pretty. I tried watching it. Sounds like Rocky IV for like modern day mega people. Well, the whole thing, you know, it's just fucking built on this weird idea that one guy could stop every, like one white man determined enough to protect the city from Muslims is like the subtext,
Starting point is 00:55:48 you know, because the jam was referencing the fact that, you know, Mark Wahlberg famously said he would have prevented nine 11 because he was supposed to be on a flight that would have crashed into one of the twin towers. And the fucking quote was like, if I was on that plane with my kids,
Starting point is 00:56:04 it wouldn't have went down like it did. There would have been a lot of blood in that first class cabin and then me saying okay we're gonna land somewhere safely don't worry that's a fucking direct quote on mark walpert about that second i had heard it would have went down differently and i assumed that like that was as wild as it got. But the fact that he said there would be a lot of blood in the first first class cabin, I assumed he meant like, you know, because I would get killed trying to do the right thing. And he's just like, no, I would single handedly kill all those terrorists and then land the plane safely because I would have gotten in the cockpit and i wouldn't have known what to do right because my stunt double does all of this but it's not even a real plane uh or yeah to the people in the back because he's saying first class very specifically if you're in coach you're like i think this white man murdered a bunch of middle eastern men in first class. It's so insulting to the victims
Starting point is 00:57:06 of 9-11, the people who were on that planet, to suggest that they didn't think to fight back or didn't love their kids enough to fight back. Terrorism victim blaming is a new low.
Starting point is 00:57:22 Well, it's very American to be honest. This movie... First of all, I just have to say, his character's name is Sergeant Tommy Saunders. Sergeant Tommy Saunders is... Tommy.
Starting point is 00:57:36 It attempts to be realist. It shoots in real locations. It uses CCTV footage um but they scrap a bunch of real people who did stuff in favor of mark walberg's character uh tommy saunders uh who who is like a composite of a bunch of different people um right so that part is the only unrealistic thing uh other than the fact that they imply that uh tamerlan sarnav's wife catherine russell had prior knowledge of the bombings even though there's absolutely no evidence that is the case and she's never been charged with a crime they imply an innocent woman was in
Starting point is 00:58:27 on the boston marathon bombing in a movie i mean some people really think the rock happened like something like the rock happened on alcatraz you know like movies have there are people who have avatar like fomo of wanting to go to pandora to think that this movie wouldn't have someone being like oh my god that guy's wife knew and not do any investigating me like well the movie wouldn't lie because tommy saunders just went out there and stopped the bombing bro bro. This is so reckless. Peter Berg and this dude, did they do the fucking Deepwater Horizon movie together too? It's always this
Starting point is 00:59:11 Mark Wahlberg's one-man wrecking crew to right the world's wrongs. I'm getting a lot of good Muslim hunting vibes from this movie. It's like, you know what well trigonometry uh let's talk about sharia law they're just waiting around for no i thought that was beautiful
Starting point is 00:59:33 by the way uh i think they're just waiting around watching the news waiting for something horrifying enough to happen that they can set the movie Die Hard, the plot for the movie Die Hard, inside that actual event and just shit on actual real people and imply that Mark Wahlberg could have stopped it if his brand of humble Christianity was there to just decide to force his will and do the right thing.
Starting point is 01:00:04 I mean, I haven't I haven't watched any really any like Hollywood versions of the war on terrorism or any anything like that. Homeland or 24. I never saw Zero Dark Thirty. I think like I have a lot of problems with Catherine Bigelow. I know she is groundbreaking when it comes to women in film. But, like, why is all her shit just incredibly Islamophobic? And why when she won the Oscar for Zero Dark Thirty, or no, for The Hurt Locker, was she like, I just want to thank firefighters?
Starting point is 01:00:38 And you're like, what? What about the Iraqis? Like, what about people who let you film them? And, like, what about anything? Anyone in the Middle East? Just firefighters. What are you talking about? Zero Dark Thirty claimed
Starting point is 01:00:51 wrongly, and if you watch it, you'd be like, oh yeah, torture works. It's good that we had black sites. Thank God, or else you wouldn't have known where bin Laden was. What's next? They also don't mention you know the anti-muslim backlash that happened during the hysteria that was caused by the boston bombing and the boston police department's kind of locking down of everything and you know the reviews were
Starting point is 01:01:21 generally positive but one critic called it disgraceful and likened it to a North Korean propaganda film. And that seems more more like what based on the description, more like what we're we're dealing with here. I mean, what's the right way to do this? You know, like what's the right way to do? I would say it's just not an action film about the Boston Marathon bombing like for starters I don't know how like why you need to like make a dramatic depiction of something that is already like filled with drama trauma pain like do we need to sensationalize it I don't know I think that's like there's these like I could never bring myself to ever watch any film that had anything to do with 9-11 I was like what
Starting point is 01:02:06 the fuck why would I want to watch that like I don't like I understand like there are yeah like that there are these harrowing stories but like to take that and then like make a product that you then make money off of is just like so exploitative too and you're like I don't know and I don't care if Nicolas Cage was a real cop and world traits. I don't know what the fuck this is. It's just, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:32 But it does make sense that a certain segment of the population would want to watch this movie in 2020 in which the hero is a flawless white cop. Racial prejudice is not an issue. And the bad guys are clearly delineated and punished in the end. Right. It's like mega comfort food as jam, right? Yeah, can we just put something on
Starting point is 01:02:54 where the white guy is not a bad guy because he's just doing his job and actually saves people and we can feel good about it, okay? That should be, yeah. That's like the black, that's like the black stories that's on the top of every streaming service. It should be like
Starting point is 01:03:09 white guy still wins. For white fragility, there should be a white fragility section. Or put people on and be like, just so you know, these movies are trash. White fragility section is so good. I mean, you would definitely have the first two Rockies.
Starting point is 01:03:28 I don't know why I keep referencing Rockies. Yeah, what's that Mandy Moore movie with like, I'm sorry, what's like one of her first movies? I don't know why my mind. A Walk in the Clouds or something? What'd you say? A Walk in the Clouds? Yeah, ooh.
Starting point is 01:03:42 A Walk to Remember? Yeah, A Walk to Remember. Yeah, just very Mandy Moore. I feel like Mandy Moore is like, yeah, remember Mandy Moore? Yeah, the Benghazi movie, the documentary about how Obama's the Antichrist. Yeah. Yeah. That's such a good idea, white fragility section.
Starting point is 01:04:00 Get on it, Netflix. Okay. All right. section get on it netflix okay all right speaking of mega comfort food trump is just doubling down on white supremacy and as opposed to 2016 where he would like do a white supremacist adjacent you know he wouldn't actually say the thing he would say a thing that was the thing but not in the words that would cause the mainstream media to like call it out and his numbers would actually increase when everybody was like well surely this will torpedo him uh that dynamic doesn't really seem to be working in his favor anymore it does seem like people are at least some of his support is is going down
Starting point is 01:04:47 yeah i mean you know that kind of white supremacy the it was only surviving because everybody knew it was like a it was like a pot of soup that you can only keep simmering you couldn't if it started to boil and bubble over people would notice but if you keep it simmering the aroma is there and people were oh that's right yeah i like that shit but this dude look he got what he could out of that shit 2016 was the last time i think you could do it like in that style because it's boiling over now and people like this subtle uh it was better when it felt de-racialized and it was like i know what you're talking about but let's not do all that because i still have to go to work tomorrow and i need plausible deniability uh and i'm not i'm not like a fully chest out racist i'm just somebody whose parents grandparents great-grandparents great
Starting point is 01:05:34 great-grandparents great great great-grandparents were racist and i'm just sort of right continuing that tradition um and you know we were saying since may 25th and George Floyd's death and all of the uprisings that have taken place around, you know, over policing, racial injustice, racism, white supremacy in this country. It was clear that white supremacy is no longer a thing you can bet big on because a lot of people just came out in a big physical focus group to tell you they're not really fucking with it. So I think even on a very easy like a very business-minded sense you're like okay this is a losing hand like you don't want to actually fuck with this anymore this is not going to get anywhere and like you said it's seeing things like these monuments come down nascar saying we're done with the confederate flag and shit like that that signals I think that really signaled to most
Starting point is 01:06:26 conservative, even politicians that things were changing, but not Trump. Like he, if he's not screaming at his speech, he's tweeting shit like about the Washington Redskins or Cleveland Indians literally tweeting shit like this quote, they named teams out of strength, not weakness, but now the Washington Redskins andveland indians two fabled sports franchises look like they're going to be changing their names in order to be politically correct indians like elizabeth warren must be very angry right now wow okay uh even more going after bubba wallace has bubba wallace apologized to all those great nascar drivers and officials who came to his aid stood by his side and were willing to sacrifice everything for him only to find out that the whole thing was just another hoax.
Starting point is 01:07:08 And the flag decision has caused lowest ratings ever. Not true. The ratings have gone up since the Confederate flag ban. now that even like lindsey graham right lindsey graham who's obviously shooketh because jamie harrison is raising so much money in his race against him is saying things like nascar is trying to grow the sport uh and i've lived in south carolina all my life and if you're in business the confederate flag is not a good way to grow your business even they know that much right yeah you know but he just can't read the room or the country. He can't read the room.
Starting point is 01:07:46 He's so non-strategic. I mean, that was the whole thing. It's like 2012. Republicans knew that unless they appealed more to people of color, Latinos, African-Americans, that like they were going to go extinct. And then Trump came along and was like, no, here's the thing. We just bring all the racism back, continue the Southern strategy, but like, you know, code it even harder or code it even a little less hard, actually. No, not even, yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:11 Code it less hard and appeal to like, you know, white fear, but don't go explicitly, you know, explicitly white supremacist, but the dog whistle and everything. And that worked, but it's now, I think you're right. It is, the wheels are coming off there is no more quote-unquote strong economy anymore and you've got the pandemic and instead of saying a simple thing like put a effing mask on your fucking face see how i censored and then didn't effing mask on
Starting point is 01:08:38 your fucking face exactly like you know i like to you know i still want to get into heaven if it exists no um but it's like instead he's doubling down on the fringiest fringe of the frange like okay 5g bill gates george soros like you know is he saying 5g shit i mean essentially these are the people who he's appealing to he dog whistles out of q shit, so it's only a matter of time. The Wuhan virus that was invented in a lab, whatever. There aren't enough crazies, I don't think. But there could be. Like if he, again, if he just did a few steps that were a little more rational.
Starting point is 01:09:21 Back to that cooking metaphor, like it's like a pot, right? Like there's a high volume at a lower heat, but when you turn it up, it starts reducing and the volume decreases because you're actually reducing it down and concentrating it to its worst fucking bit. And now you've shed all these people numerically and you've reduced your fucking sauce down
Starting point is 01:09:43 to this fucked up racist gravy and you're wondering like why nobody else wants to hop in anymore probably it's a very potent gravy it's like that's how i cook yeah that's not like my nonna cooks uh you know red sauce red sauce hot sauce when when you look at you know all of the things that are going on like especially his polling right the way he's handled uh everything since uh george floyd's death and the way he speaks about the black lives matter movement only 44 so like when it comes to his handling on this specific thing about racial injustice 44 of americans 65 and older approved only 44 of the 65 like that's that's typically his really strong demo like you know
Starting point is 01:10:26 people who have actually seen lynchings with their bare eyes um but in the under 30 only 23 so there's complete failure he's like quibbifying his own fucking platform where he thinks he knows what the fuck young people want and they're like no bro we're not fucking with this out wait what are you for real that's what is going on and i think now republicans realize that their shitty kroger brand party is going to start going out of business because they see that the call and response is he does some wild like over the top racist shit like even george wallace is like, hey, hey, hey, hey, easy, easy. Whoa, what the, the, the, the. Not, don't, don't go there. That, that, that, that's spicy. Because, and they see the polling numbers go down.
Starting point is 01:11:11 And this is when you see that Republicans are truly the two-faced goblins that they are. They say, President Trump's unyielding push to preserve Confederate symbols and the legacy of white domination crystallized by his harsh denunciation of the racial justice movement Friday night at Mount Rushmore has unnerved Republicans who have long enabled him but now fear losing power and forever associating their party with his racial animus.
Starting point is 01:11:38 So they're like, he's going to fuck the brand up. It's an objectively fucked worldview. Totally. And I think i would just say last thing is that black lives matter activists deserve every ounce of credit because what they were able to do that democrats have not been able to do in these almost four years of trump is draw the line in the sand and be like this is what he's saying this is racism this is what he's saying. This is racism. This is how it's impacting our communities,
Starting point is 01:12:06 killing us. Here is the line. Which side are you on? And even NASCAR wants to be on the right side of history. So think about that. And I think no one's crystallized it in that way and no one's called it for what it is. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:21 And yet, I am worried about yeah about 2020 like i can't imagine who voted for him in 2016 that won't now like i guess we're talking about polite racists who don't realize they're racists but i still worry about any theory of the case that assumes anything but defensiveness and resentment on on behalf of the people who voted for him in 2016 that's why you got a nice guy like joe biden but it's nothing's gonna change it's okay to be white man i know that's a nazi slogan did i come on jack come on it's all right to be white what are you talking about man malarkey but i mean then we at least had a candidate who was historic so we're counting on voter turnout to be the difference i mean i think whether you know i constantly see videos going viral of like you know these racial incidences that are clearly clearly firing up people who watch them and whether or not they realize they're feeding into something that may completely burn them out.
Starting point is 01:13:33 That's up to them to figure out. But I think that there's definitely this feeling that there are people who will can use the election, at least for some feeling of catharsis i don't know how numerically how many people that would be um because to your point like i'm i'm not totally convinced that america is ready to like completely give up on sort of the darky like the dark shit that trump was sort of seeding um but you know that i think if if enough young people uh and everyone can get together and really motivate each other, because I think the danger is people are going to look at this right now and go, oh, this dude's a fuck. It's done. He's done.
Starting point is 01:14:13 Look at this guy. He fucked it all. The country, people are dying. He doesn't know how to handle these uprisings. He doesn't know how to handle the economy. He's cooked. I don't need to do a fucking thing. He did it all himself.
Starting point is 01:14:24 No, no, no, no. I don't need to do a fucking thing. He did it all himself. No, no, no, no. Like it needs to be historic turnout. Even if it's, even if it's to win 70 to 30, it still needs to, because there needs to be that show at least outwardly to people that there's
Starting point is 01:14:38 enough people who can, you know, participate in this current iteration of our system of government. But there's still so much fucking work to do because like yeah to francesca's point you're gonna get old biden in he's like come on jack let's crack open a couple pdfs yeah no wall street's apparently warming up to his the the prospect of him winning they're they're like you know we were really nervous but now that we're thinking about it maybe maybe he's not going to be so bad for the old taxes.
Starting point is 01:15:08 Well, yeah, because he's like, I'm only going to raise that tax from 21% to 28%, even though it was 35% before. Don't worry, guys. You're going to pay a little more money, but I'm not going to go all the way back to Obama's. Come on now, yeesh. Those are the cynics I can't handle. And even then, it's like- Who openly said, they were like, if it's it's warren or bernie we might go for trump yeah the wall street contingent and they're the reason we have biden now that's why it's like yeah step one at the
Starting point is 01:15:36 step one at the very least is nullify the money in politics like that's if it doesn't matter who's running or anything if there's if we're still able to play this money game, it's it's never going to get right, because that always means that people who have the more monies are going many racists. There truly are. And it is free reign. They believe it is their right to be open with it, which is, on the one hand, awful. And on the other hand, all right, we see you mask off. Literally. And at the same time, it's like we should –
Starting point is 01:16:19 I feel like every one of those videos should end with like, so who are you voting for? And I hate that response of like, just vote. Obviously, it's way bigger than that. But I am curious because, you know, every Karen or Kevin or whatever we're calling them, that person's going to vote whether or not it's for Trump. We don't know. Probably. And then the people on the other side of which there, I think, are many, many more. I do think there are more of us than there are racists, may not be as compelled to go vote.
Starting point is 01:16:49 May not have the ability, the time, the interest, the feeling, the motivation, the ability to wait in an eight-hour line because their polling places have been closed down. So I think that's sort of where it should end. But you're right. There's a, yeah, nothing is for certain. I'm scared. We have to be ready for historic. Fuckery. Fuckery.
Starting point is 01:17:15 For sure. Historic fuckery. Pelosi, this is my favorite. Pelosi was like, she was like, well, you know, he has to lose. Oh my God. You're Nancy Pelosi. I didn't know there was a good Nancy Pelosi,
Starting point is 01:17:27 but your Nancy Pelosi is amazing. I can't. She has air that comes through her dentures. Right. She has to lose, but by a lot. So let's make sure it's by a lot. And they're like, what do you mean?
Starting point is 01:17:47 What does that even mean? What she means is she knows Republicans are going to pull some shit. And so we have to, as they say, overwhelm the steel. And it's like, okay, well, can you prevent the steel? Because that'd be nice. Right. Yeah, that would be nice. Yeah, requires legislation.
Starting point is 01:18:06 Oh, well, whatever. I only know Loblanics. I hate their perfume. Francesca, it has been a pleasure having you, as always, on The Daily Zeitgeist. Have you made a cocktail called the Fiorentini? Because I feel like that, like a martini mixture. Like a martini Fiorentini. Yeah feel like that like a martini like a martini Fiorentini yeah just a thought
Starting point is 01:18:27 just a note you can take it or reject it I'm gonna put all the things that I bought now have way too much of together there you go where can people find you hear you follow you yeah follow me on all the platforms at
Starting point is 01:18:43 Franny Fio and listen to my podcast the bituation room and uh is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying um so jordan ewell had this tweet you might have seen or uh which is based off of the fourth of july entertainment and the naval chorus that apparently exists so great where they're singing the circle of life dude when that blonde woman hits the i was like no no no no no yeah they uh yeah so his tweet was uh when when the book club finishes white fragility and that was just so good the one the video of the guys uh doing uptown uptown funk and then they reverse shot on the completely oh yeah come on i, come on. I'm liking this. I'm liking this. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:47 Wow. This is the saddest bar mitzvah. Oh, shit. The chairs are all fucked up too. Like they were set up and then people got up and were like, I don't give a fuck about how these are arranged.
Starting point is 01:19:57 It was like so disheveled too. Miles, where can people find you and what's a tweet you've been enjoying? Oh, man. Let's see. You can find me on Twitter, Instagram,
Starting point is 01:20:07 uh, where else? PlayStation network at miles of gray. Also my other podcast for 20 day fiance, uh, you know, talking about 90 day fiance. Cause that's,
Starting point is 01:20:18 that's all there is sometimes, uh, a tweet that I like. This one is from at Cobb critic underscore. And it's just like from some young teenage white girls tiktok she's it's just two photos one is um her putting on a maga hat and the text underneath it says systemic racism debunked and then she's like the next frame is her with her maga hat on like looking all cocky in camera it says racism was made illegal by the passing of the civil rights act of 1964 boom
Starting point is 01:20:46 is that real yes this shit is real she really put the hat on like let me fucking like let me debunk let me draw some science on the class real quick she's gettable she'll she'll it'll be very adorable for like um when i tick-tocked those photos six years ago i was unaware of systemic oppression and like she's gonna get very very woke it's just adorable how much she believes in the law and then another one is from at alissa shaner uh s-c-H-O-E-N-E-R, strikes very close to home. Did you spend two years in a relationship with a guy who thought smoking weed was a personality trait, or are you normal?
Starting point is 01:21:35 I'm a normal-y tama. All right, for my tweets, I'm just going to read off some proposed reasons why Miles and I are beefing TDZ out of context tweeted Miles and Jack Miles told Jack that he was craving any human touch outside of her
Starting point is 01:21:54 majesty Jack told him to take the week off as a way to keep Miles from hugging him that would never happen freak Cho tweeted an accidental kiss that led to an awkward work environment? Accidental kiss? Oh, man.
Starting point is 01:22:12 Accidental kiss. That kiss is on my lips. An accident. There is to be an accidental kiss from a co-worker over Zoom. You became so awkward when I looked at you. And then you left for a week.
Starting point is 01:22:35 Now the Zeit gang thinks it's ill. Okay. Jack whooped him in 2K on Nintendo Switch. That's going to see a cheddar fling, obviously. I mean, that's the most likely clearly the king of 2k on switch can't be touched untouchable unfuck withable and then kevin on the moon tweeted uh at miles of gray said diet mountain dew was overrated and jack o'brien retaliated by dumping out all the kirkland cold brew uh that i just got i just got my cold brew back so you
Starting point is 01:23:03 better be ready. Also, at Mark, then a bunch of numbers, tweeted jealousy about either calf muscles or thighs. I'm good in both departments, honey, so that must be on you. Anyway. Anyways, you can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com,
Starting point is 01:23:31 where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as the songs we ride out on miles. What song are we riding out on today? This is a track by, you artists from 60s little beaver from four city Arkansas the track is called get into the party life and he's just like you know on this record label TK records that has like a lot of songs that end up being like hip-hop samples and I hadn't really known this artist specifically,
Starting point is 01:24:06 but when I was going through a lot of artists from this thing, I found this, Get Into The Party Life. It just got this upbeat feel to it, and the percussion is super vibey. You know how I get down. So this is some nice music to put on in the back, cook yourself some dinner, do whatever you got to do, but nice background pipe music.
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