The Daily Zeitgeist - Your Trends & Neighbors 5/7: Conclave, Dora The Explorer, Sigma, Burger King
Episode Date: May 7, 2025In this edition of Your Trends & Neighbors, Jack and special guest co-host Andrew Ti discuss the future of the Catholic church, Dora The Explorer teaching adults internet words like "Sigma", Burge...r King getting sued for their misleading Whopper ads, and much more!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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of Your Trends and Neighbors.
Because that's a show that's happening.
It is a show.
My name is Jack. That over there is Andrew.
How's it going?
What's going on?
I'm not as much watching trends or friends and neighbors as much as I'm
just nonstop watching sinners every second of my.
Your cut. You're coming up on your fourth viewing. It It's gonna be it's a it's a wee bit too much
But it is it's very good every time. I'm enjoying it gets better and better
I think it gets about the same but I've not hit diminishing returns for me personally yet. So we'll see
Are you going with different people like spread it like Johnny Appleseed style?
Oh yeah.
I've gone, I've gone, yeah.
Different people every time.
So once in the IMAX 70 millimeter at City Walk,
and then once at, you know,
no specific shade to the projectionist at Alamo Drafthouse,
but a not as good looking print at Alamo.
But the thing to be said about Alamo Drafthouse and the movie Sinners,
more movie sinners, it's a kind of a good movie to see when everyone's like a wee
bit drunk in the theater. Yeah. It's a, it's a good rowdy movie. So.
I've heard it's rowdy and fun. Like that people going in being like,
I hear this is like cinema and like sit down and
like, like get ready for a hard time at the movies are like, Oh,
this is fun as hell. Yeah. I think it's attracting the cinema folks,
but it's, it is actually just like a really fun.
Yeah. I don't want to spoil the thing that is not really in the trailer,
but it's not really a huge spoiler, but I will just say it's a, yeah,
it's a, it's like a rowdy experience. I'll do those spoiler. Very,
very mild spoiler alert is that the, um,
the music is like such a huge, great part of it.
Yeah. Okay. Nice. That's, that's a good,
the best kind of spoiler. I don't want to over, I don't want to say anymore to, but when I first saw it,
I was like, what the fuck? Yeah. This is fucking crazy. Okay. Cool.
And then friends and neighbors is a show that I'm aware of. It's John Ham.
It's looks like some manner of suburban on we.
And I've, I've heard it's giving Draper,
it's taking Jon Hamm back right to his comfort zone.
Yeah.
In a way that people seem to be enjoying.
What I will say is,
the show, I've only seen a couple episodes,
I went to a screening thing,
so that was a little like colored, the take on it. But I think my take screening thing. So that was a little like colored the, the take on it.
But I think, I think my take on this show is that if you
really wanted Mad Men season fucking like 45, just imagine.
Like what would Don Draper be doing in the modern world?
Yeah.
It's pretty, it's pretty much that again, you know,
depending on it, it's exactly that.
If you, if you like that, if that sounds appealing, you will, it's exactly that. If you like that,
if that sounds appealing, you will like it. And if it doesn't sound appealing, you won't like it.
Nice. That sounds appealing to me. The other thing that I've heard from people is like,
again, kind of like the center, don't go in expecting, actually more than the center,
say people have been like, this is very disposable. It's not a thing you're going to be like, it's not mad men in the sense that it's
going to be like repeat viewing prestige TV. It's just like kind of a good time.
I maybe just have a different take on mad men. So you think that man's more
disposable?
Yeah. And I think we all found it. I just, I very, very, very much pitching this.
I would say as if you liked, if you wanted 40 more
seasons of Mad Men, you will really like this.
Nice.
Yeah.
And that is what it is.
Jon Hamm is dishonest.
Is that what I'm to understand?
Dishonest, a wee bit tired despite all his riches.
Just spiritually exhausted.
Yeah.
And I will say it is also as someone who was a
Steered off a little bit but had it was definitely I know more about watches than I should
There's it's a real
It's not it's a watch guy show but also
Yeah, again the sort of like yeah
It really tells you what kind of watch guy you
are because it's, it's just like tacky rich guy watches in a way that I'm like, okay,
this is a thing.
So it's like, the premise is he's just like a rich guy in a rich suburban neighborhood
and then starts like robbing his neighbors.
Yeah.
Essentially.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
As far as I see, I think there's, it does seem like
there's more to it, but that's, that's fun. I like, yeah, that's, that's plenty intriguing
for me. I mean, yeah, yeah. A little bit of larceny, little, a lot of drinking, a lot
of staring off into the middle. Drinking pretty, pretty solid chin. Yeah. TV show. Yeah. What
is your like number one show you, Andrew for listeners who are new to
the show. Uh, Andrew is an accomplished TV writer. Um,
accomplished is strong, but thank you. Um, the number one show I have going on right now, I,
now that I'm saying this, I think I've said this on daily zeitgeist. Um, but I still am, I, I loved
and I'm, I'm a little upset that this is so far my show of the year is common side effects
Not that it shouldn't be but it you know, I was a little surprised and I was resistant to watching it in the first place
Yeah
And the cartoon and those are for children exactly. Yeah. Yeah, I but it's also like the specific kind of like
because common side effects is about this like kind of like
hippie white guy who finds like a mushroom in the
Peru I believe that like
had it's it's a little bit like like the kind of psychedelic
Enthusiastic white guy who I personally don't don't
psychedelic enthusiastic white guy who I personally don't don't fuck with that much time is the protagonist. So that was made me a bit resistant, but the show
was wonderful. The show is super good. I have,
and it almost feels like it's thought up by that. Like, you know,
it sounds like it's not the execution is much better than that.
It sounds like a fantasy of one of those guys.
Person. Yeah, that's correct. Yeah. And it's, and also that's a me problem that I
am just annoyed by that type of dude
Yeah, but I you know, I've just done too many psychedelics in my life and I'm a little I'm a bit weary of some of those guys
Weary and wary. Yeah
But the show is really good and those of our fine. Yes. All right
Let's get down to brass tacks here because there's important things happening right now. The future of the Catholic Church is at stake.
We have an update.
You know, here where we're recording this, we have just learned black smoke has come
forth from the conclave.
We have no Pope.
No, it's a it's an official no pope on the docket for today.
So I will be adjusting my spreadsheet thusly.
But yeah, so this is we are officially in conclave season
where they're meeting, trying to pick a pope and then letting us know
via smoke signal how that's all going for them.
It's clave in time, clave in time.
Can I just say
the did you did you guys note already that
The Pope died and within like 24 hours
Conclave moved to Amazon Prime. I didn't we didn't know that we did notice we did note that it was like
Skyrocketing up the stream. Yeah. Yeah, I
Just saying it was like skyrocketing up the streaming. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just saying it's of course
the evidence is circumstantial, but you know, that does mean killed Pope profited massively
from the death of the Pope and is whatever you want, whatever conclusion you want to
drop. Yeah. And we do know the Bezos is tied to this White House and JD Vance was one of
the last people to see the Pope alive. I'm just saying. It's a theory.
We're not, you know.
Yeah, you can't say that's impossible to say.
Wouldn't it be irresponsible for us to discount
this wonderful theory?
It's just called journalism, folks.
Exactly.
Do your own research.
But one of the fun details that has come out
is that heading into the conclave,
the cardinals, the people, the voting body,
and one of them will become the pope.
So it's like, you know, kind of fun.
That's intriguing.
It's like, I don't know, you guys are voting for me?
Really?
Oh my God.
That is crazy, you guys. All guys, we're all For me, really? Oh, no. Guys. That is crazy, you guys.
All guys. We're all guys here, right?
Yeah, guys. And I do mean guys.
The they a lot of them, you know, have not.
This is going to be their first conclave.
Didn't know what to expect.
And so they're watching the movie conclave.
It's fucking awesome.
Which is it.
I don't know. It's funny to me to imagine
You know the future pope being like what should I expect from this? How do I play this? I?
Know I'll watch the movie conclave. Yeah, I mean
It's also just kind of nice cuz like it's like I mean in you can't really call it a civic duty, but that's probably the closest equivalent.
But Conclave is like their version of like, like Schoolhouse Rock about how you cast
a vote.
Right.
How else are you going to learn about this shit?
What is this going to even look like?
Yeah, I don't know.
It's there was just an anecdote on the movie podcast, Blank Check check that when Pope John Paul the second, my pope, when I
was growing up, you know, just an old sleepy mummy, when he came to the U.S. in the eighties,
he had his people reach out to Michael Keaton's people and was like, Hey, you want to like
meet up dog? Because the pope loves Johnny dangerously. The Michael Keaton movie that's like an airplane style spoof of,
I guess like old war movies. I don't know. I never saw that.
Well, he's maybe, I think that's probably, maybe, I don't know. But, uh,
and Michael Keaton was like, I mean, can my mom, like, I don't really,
I'm not Catholic, but like my mom is. And so he just like met with the pope wit and like brought his mom, like, I don't really, I'm not Catholic, but like my mom is.
And so he just like met with the Pope and like brought his mom. Um,
but like the Pope was just like, Oh my God, it's Michael Keaton.
It's so funny that they're willing to, I mean,
cause like these people's powers rests on the like premise that they're magic.
And I am, I'm a little surprised every time,
I guess that there's the B side is like,
part of that magic is like being human or whatever.
But like, it is weird to me that like,
like an organization like the Catholic Church
would allow the veneer to crumble in this type of regard.
Like, oh, the Pope wants to meet Johnny dangerously.
Hey, the Pope is meant to be magic. You know, else who else has a little bit of magic?
1980s Michael Keaton. Yeah, that guy. It's just weird to me that every time they act human,
but I guess that that I'm just not a believer. So I'm sure that's appealing to believers in, in its own way.
He's just the Pope's. They're just like us.
That was my favorite magazine, uh, him weekly. Uh,
but the, and the him is capitalized. Uh,
and then like when the Pope took it, like this also stuck out to me when the Pope,
uh, woke Pope made his trip woke for a Pope woke Pope
made his trip to America and like came to Philadelphia, which is still so Catholic.
Yeah.
Like churches there just jam packed every Sunday.
But Mark Wahlberg was the MC for the for the event because I'm like he's not even associated with Philadelphia
He's just like, you know a Boston guy, but he I mean, I guess he's just like the most the most Catholic
Catholic celebrity that would be acceptable. Well, you can have Mel Gibson do it right? Yeah, or can you yeah
No, I mean he well Mel Gibson also probably wouldn't do it because he's, he jumped
off the papal train.
He jumped off when they started doing, uh, doing mass in English. He was like, I only
accept a version of Catholicism where the Pope does the entire mass in Latin with his
back to us because, uh, we're not supposed to even be able to see what he looks like.
But anyway, I just like to imagine the Cardinals like cramming for the conclave by watching
conclave like a kid watching to kill a mockingbird the day before he has to defend an innocent
man in a court of law.
Cramming.
Cramming for the conclave.
Like, oh, fuck. Okay. Okay. Okay.
Be cool. Be cool. I just watch. I can just watch conclave.
I didn't read the thing because I assume they have like a dossier you'd think of
words,
but I feel like there's also some like just let the Holy spirit guide you.
Yeah. My brother type. Yeah. You know that they wouldn't,
there's not going to be like a, you know, step by step. Yeah. Brother type. Yeah. You know that they wouldn't, there's not going to be like a, you know, step by
step. Yeah. You know what? Actually that's, I'm, I'm so
naive for even saying that because like they just need
votes and the people in power, like the general elections are
incentivized. The more ignorant the electorate is, the better
off they are.
So they don't want you to know what to do. By the way, there is a a bad guy emerging,
an antagonist emerging from this conclave, at least for me.
Bad for a cardinal. Bad for a cardinal. Bad for a pope, maybe.
There's this conservative German cardinal who,
in response to this news story, was like, don't take any of that seriously.
It's not like the conclave is not a power game played by stupid people looking to manipulate
each other.
This guy, Muehler, German Cardinal Gerard Muehler is opposed to the previous Pope's mercy
before dogma approach.
Yeah.
So he, he's a dogma before mercy guy, which is why I like to just be my official position
is I like the rules more than I like, like, uh, being nice to people.
Yeah.
Um, he opposed, uh, Francis's decision to bless same-sex couples,
to allow communion to divorcees who remarry outside the church,
and also opposed Francis's concerns about migrants
and the environment.
Cool.
Cool.
Fuck an environment.
The odds are not great, right?
That he doesn't get elected.
We're in a, we're in a time, you know, like, like highly conservative Germans.
Never been more powerful.
Right.
As a political philosophy.
They're flying right now.
They're not never, but it's been a minute since it's been a while. So they were this popular. Yeah.
He said he hoped the other Cardinals would ignore Francis's mass media appeal
and avoid the intrigue depicted in the Oscar winning film Conclave,
which is funny because it seems like he's making a mass media appeal and is
like grumpy because he doesn't, he's like,
and don't watch the movie where the conservative guy doesn't win in the end.
That's so funny.
There's also a favorite detail.
Have you ever heard of Pope?
Yeah, conservative for a pope is bad.
One of the great details of conclave is that the shitty conservative
cardinal who wants to be pope is vaping the whole time.
Yes, I have heard about vaping cardinal.
So that makes me wonder what's
the black smoke? Is it just vape? I know. Do you think they're vaping? You gotta imagine
the white smoke is just like the biggest, they think it's not that they haven't decided
who the pope is, but someone's gotta get that pow really, really going, you know, get this
pulling cotton. That's right.
All right, let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about Dora the Explorer.
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is teaching adults about Sigma.
Yeah, which, you know, for people who aren't aren't familiar, Sigma is like, you know, the Manosphere was like,
yeah, Alpha is cool. But you know what's really cool?
Sigma billion sigmas. Yeah, yeah. It's, it's like the higher level
galaxy brain version of an alpha male where, um, yeah.
But anyways, Dora took to tick tock to, I bet,
I guess she's been teaching kids,
parents phrases like it's giving and slay. So,
so that's what it seems like.
This is based on the idea that like this is for people who grew up on Dora and
now have their own children?
Is that, is that it?
That's a great question.
I don't, I can't, I guess maybe.
Are people who grew up on Dora having kids now?
I feel like they're not quite there is my guess, but maybe I'm just, to me, I, my assumption
was like, first of all, I'll, you all, as someone who worked in social media for
quite a long time for the Umbrella Corporation that produces Dora the Explorer, I just kind
of feel like this is the type of thing that was sort of pitched and it sounded great to the like middle-aged decision-makers in
this type of situation that doesn't that they didn't really think through the pitch. Although
producer Brian is saying and producer Victor, I don't know who's what everyone's job is.
I'm speaking to both producer Brian is Brian the editor. The editor, the producer, super
producer Victor. Yes, they is super producer, Victor.
Yes. They are,
they are confirming that this is for people who grew up with Dora,
but grew up with Dora, but also have kids now.
Could make sense. Yeah. Dora came out in 2000. So this is,
this is just sort of like, I mean,
this is just like a version of like urban dictionary for people who don't have
time on their hands. It feels like,
Yeah, it sucks. It hands, it feels like.
Yeah, it sucks.
It's just like, the only issue here is that it is describing
what Sigma is in a completely value, like value free way
where it's just like, Sigma are like confident and cool.
And not explaining the like Manosphere.
Not even value free. I think it's,
it's fully taking on the pitch from the Manus here. That's right.
From the man. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, this is toxic.
We're just talking about being confident and doing your own thing.
Sigmas are cool. And then it like shows Nickelodeon characters being sigma.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if nothing else,
like calling the word Sigma cool is a value judgment that firmly places them on
a side. Right? Yeah. Like if you think Sigma is cool,
then you are in company with Nazis. Right.
Yeah. It's big leap, but that is true.
Unfortunately, Dora, you're a Nazi. You can't say Dora.
But yeah, I don't know. It's just somebody I yeah, it feels like it's just a thing where they're
like, this is internet speak. And we just are translating internet speak and, you know, not taking a side as mainstream media's want to do, you know, we're
not right, not left. We're just teaching adults why their kids are calling things Sigma. Probably
the executive you're describing's kid kept calling something Sigma. And they were like,
what? Here's one for you. Yeah. I mean, I think that's what it is. Is like, I think that like.
Again, it's been a minute since I've worked in for these folks,
but my memory and my assumption, and I'm confident saying this,
is that like a lot of the decision makers in this situation
don't really different, like they still sort of just see Internet talk
as an undifferentiated thing,
as opposed to like, what part of the internet, what does this mean?
Like it's just like, like the, the phrase like, Oh,
this is from the internet still has like a lot of like internal power in
traditional media, even though that it's,
it's just like much more nuanced than that. Right. Um,
so yeah, I think that's that to me is the thing is like, is how this could,
this could happen non maliciously with just like a hearty dose of,
of old media bubble combined with age induced ignorance.
Yeah. We'll see. Or maybe it was just, or not. Yeah. Maybe,
maybe this is just the direction they're going.
I mean, like that, it does make a sort of like the way the capitalism is just
like we meet our audience where they are.
And every mainstream media article about men under the age of like 30 is like,
they are all right wing Nazis.
And so this is so judgment free zone.
Yeah.
And in fact, we think they're great because we want their business.
They're cool.
Yeah.
Finally, let's talk about a,
a judge has allowed a lawsuit to go forward over Burger King's whopper ads.
Basically it's another one of these ads where it's like the truth in
advertising, where they were like, these ads looked great and these
sandwiches looked like shit.
Yeah.
I, is it, okay.
How is media literacy so low that this is even possible?
Like, what do you think an ad food in an ad looks like?
Yeah, definitely. Uh, yeah, it's,
I have had experiences where I was like, wow,
that actually like looks like the ad. And I knew to be like,
that is crazy how much that looks like the ad. Yeah. You know,
uh, that I've never been, um,
surprised that something that I got at a fast food restaurant looked like shit
compared to the picture. Um, maybe that's my low expectations.
If it tastes great, no matter what guys, don't worry about it. Um,
this episode is brought to you by the whopper specifically.
No, just the concept of fast food. We're, we're just like, whatever,
whatever, like we have stock in just like the worst bleached flat white
flour or something. I don't even know what it is. I mean,
I am curious because like the rest of the trends of the
justice system are bending towards corporations can lie as much as they want.
So I am curious that it is a little bit, I guess, good that any truth in advertising is moving
forward. I suspect there will be some way that this is killed or probably more likely there will be sort of a false
somewhat moral victory one on this behalf and then the industry will continue to do
what it's doing.
Yeah.
Um, but this is how they can tell you, oh, we're fighting for that's right.
This is a little people.
This is just a little bit of propaganda to be like corporations don't own us.
They're you guys.
You guys are okay.
You have free will. You're um, Yes, you guys are okay. You have free will you're
This is this is okay, and it's gonna get better
Plus we're looking into we don't even think that guy's a fucking actual king. I don't think he has any power at all
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All right. That is going to do it for us this afternoon. We're back tomorrow with a whole last episode of the show.
Until then, be kind to each other.
Be kind to yourselves.
Get your vaccines where you still can.
Get your flu shots.
Don't do nothing about white supremacy.
And we will talk to you tomorrow.
Bye. Peace.
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