The Daily Zeitgeist - Zeit Rider 4/30: The Columbia Student Protests feat. Trisha Mukherjee

Episode Date: April 30, 2024

In this edition of Zeit Rider, Jack and Miles discuss the Columbia student protests with current Columbia University grad student, journalist and former Super Producer Trisha Mukherjee! Homepage - Columbia Daily Spectator (columbiaspectator.com) CJS FACT-CHECK (@CJS_FACTCHECK) / X (twitter.com) See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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didn't have headphones why were we talking about night rider recently because we were talking about if a cab includes night rider i think okay and then we're like yeah because like a billionaire like made the cop like the cop got shot and then the billionaire gave him this like shot in the face yeah and then the billionaire made the vanity to it because michael knight yeah michael knight like got to choose how handsome he was and he chose to look like david hasselhoff like because he that was like a self-sculpted face but also like the fact that it was a billionaire now, knowing what we know about billionaires,

you can't trust it. He probably had that cop shot and then had his face designed to look like someone that he thought was handsome. I'm just putting it all together now. Anyways, my name is Jack O'Brien. That's Miles Gray. This is the episode

where we tell you what is trending. And we actually have a very special trending episode because one of the things that is trending, of course, is the student protests happening across the country that started at Columbia University, or at least like a big portion of the coverage has started at columbia university and we are thrilled to be joined by a former producer of this show yes currently in grad school for journalism at columbia university uh she's been doing some reporting on the student protests please welcome back to the show trisha welcome back thanks for having me back it's so fun to be back here i know it's been so long

i know and look at like yeah and suddenly when like super producer anna was like y'all trisha's at columbia and she's like up in it right now like we should talk to him like yeah because when you look at the coverage of the student protests depending on where you get your news it could be either a peaceful protest or it could be a thing that's rife with anti-semitism or it could be so violent but it may be the cop like again i think with everything surrounding the situation in gaza like there's just so many realities people are experiencing or at least different realities are being represented and presented to them but for you being on the ground and it's happening at

the university you're currently attending can you just like give us an idea just sort of like how it all started because i think a lot of people will just say like these kids are like Hamas sympathizers who have lost the plot or they're people who don't know what they're doing. And it's like a fad. Can you just tell us like how like point A to now where we're at, like the escalation is clear now that students have like barricaded themselves into a building like it's it's like this is not going away in any kind of normal way but how did it all like walk us through this for a second yeah so i think that this has been a conversation on campus for a long time like long before october 7th and long before the last two weeks it's just that in the last two, the whole country's attention has zoomed in on a section of like two or three blocks. But people have been protesting for Palestine long before that as well. So I'll start just a little bit further back.

On October 7th, there were big protests on campus, both from the pro-israel side and from the pro-palestine side and each group was in its own separate area and kind of chanting and being together there was a lot of pain in the air but since then there have been several pro-palestine protests there's been a huge amount of i think like discrimination and kind of danger to those student protesters. Right from the very beginning around October 7th, there were these trucks that would constantly circle around campus with the faces of those students and their names and their personal contact information and their addresses. And those are being circulated everywhere,

essentially to encourage people to dox and threaten these pro-Palestine protesters. Did you say trucks would circulate? Yeah. Like at Harvard, we saw them at Harvard. I remember seeing the ones that was happening at Harvard where they were like full on LCD screens that were basically like video billboards doxing people.

Wow. Okay. Yeah. It's like this black truck like who knows who owns it but the the sides are just these massive screens where they like play propaganda and i assume i'm assuming iran owns it right iran is funding most of this uh most of what's happening in columbia uh according to some mainstream media um who who is being doxed who who is being kind of threatened in this way? Is it students on both sides,

on the pro-Israel and the pro-Palestine side? In my experience and understanding from the students that I've talked to, it's really been targeted at pro-Palestine protesters and pro-Palestine students who have been protesting since October 7th. And I should say completely peacefully, they've been gathering on the steps and like having waving flags and stuff. But so those people were targeted and the university took no real actionable steps

to address that their students were being threatened with really violent things. And then it, you know, people kept protesting. And then there was an attack a few months ago where several people who were former IDF soldiers used a chemical weapon to attack pro-Palestinian protesters on campus and several of those students had to go to the hospital for several days because they're extremely nauseous they couldn't breathe right they felt extremely lightheaded and to think that there was a literal chemical weapon attack against pro-palestinian students on campus or for that matter any students on campus it just like and that's something that wasn't covered by media yeah i mean that's like the skunk attack that i feel like yeah i remember

reading about and like i remember there's one version that was like it was some kind of chemical irritant and then like in herettes there were people saying that it was just a non-toxic fart spray that the person purchased on amazon so you're like what what's happening like what like so is what what like so this year we're talking about people who actually were injured this is like back in january um and are still like recovering from that yeah i think there's like students have said that there's long-term effects of something like that and i know that there was, I don't want to say an exact number and have that be wrong, but there were several students who

were hospitalized for several days as they were trying to be stabilized. So it wasn't just some joke kind of spray that you can buy at the dollar store. This is something that's really dangerous. And I also wanted to say that the Columbia administration has been sending emails since October 7th to the whole school, basically condemning anti-Semitism, but not addressing any of the attacks or doxing or the other things that has been happening to Arab and Muslim and Palestinian students. And so I think a lot of that is because of outside influences. The Columbia president recently testified in front of Congress

and we have a lot of donors who are very insistent about how the school should act. But it's just, it seems like a lot of the media coverage and the school has been very, like, it has just been ignoring how a lot of students on campus feel when they protest for Gaza.

Yeah, I feel like one version, like, just looking at how the media is even talking about it today, it's, like, very disingenuous and flippant. The New York Times was, like, trying to be like, we know, like, let's break it down for you why these demonstrations are just spreading so rapidly. And they're

calling it contagious. It's almost like a disease context that they're trying to set this up as. There are people in the free press, there was an article called Camping Out at Columbia's Communist Coachella. I'm guessing that's not the energy.

Like, can you just sort of talk to specifically like what students are experiencing because so many people are wanting to be dismissive of what, of how students are organizing on campus and be like, they're just doing it to fit in, man, you know, and there's a lot of peer pressure for young people and they are not,

they don't really know what's going on. Is that true? I think it's very different than it was at Communist Coachella. Yeah. Camping out at Columbia's Communist Coachella. Yes, they had to. Alliteration is the sign of a good writer. As you probably learned in journalism school, that's probably the first thing they teach you. Like sick headlines equal vast alliteration right yeah very credible to add to the alliteration completely credible yes yeah that that is not the situation at all it's been quite well organized and the the students

who are leading the protests many of them are of them are Palestinian and have family and friends and loved ones who have been killed in Gaza. And I think like to say that this is just some party of like students who want to feel in on the hot topic of the day is really dismissive to those experiences. And also all the students who kind of feel the pain of their classmates and right an ongoing genocide and are showing up to support them right because it like it's not just yeah because i feel like there's so many other things like especially for young people entering adulthood looking at what their lives are going to look like post-academia and being like is this even like a functioning society i'm entering like i feel like

there's so many levels of frustration that young people are experiencing especially on college that it this is just like this swirling perfect storm of many things but right now seeing a non-stop like anyone on social media is having to see just horrific image after horrific image of what's happening in gaza and like i don't i don't how i don't understand how some people in the media like and yeah i just think it's like some fad rather than like these people are deeply affected by what is happening and they're trying to exercise some amount of power over the administration because can you like also tell us like what you know the demands of like the why is also being the bunch of people are coming in with

all kinds of takes like they're paid actors or they're not or they just don't know what they're doing or they don't even know what they want but can you speak to specifically like what the demands are of the students of columbia in regards to what is happening yeah so i think like as you were saying miles what's happening outside the the gates is very different than what's happening inside the gates so when you hear people like yelling violent things that's probably outside the gates and those people aren't really in line with the actual demands of the protesters inside the gates where um i've been

on campus for the last two weeks and it's been very peaceful it's been students sitting in their tents and like doing their homework and studying for finals. And they're there to demand two main things. One is to disclose Columbia's investments in Israel and the other is to divest. And Columbia has had several movements for divestment, most notably in South Africa. And so the students are following a similar model for that. And I think the third main call to action is they want the university to give amnesty to students who are arrested by the NYPD. This is over 108 people, I think, were arrested. And those students are being suspended, evicted with very, very little notice or even expelled. So they want amnesty for those students who are peacefully protesting, literally just sitting on the lawn when the NYPD came and took them away.

So when you talk about Columbia students have pushed for divestment in South Africa, that was during the apartheid period of South Africa in the 80s. And they successfully, you know, they were on the right side of history and, you know, were able to push Columbia University to do that. Correct. Yeah. And the most recent development is that the students last night took over Hamilton Hall, which is one of the buildings on campus. night took over Hamilton Hall, which is one of the buildings on campus. And that's the same building that students in decades past have taken over to demand divestment or protest against segregation and all these other big social problems that looking back on it on the past, it's like, of course, like, of course they were right. Yeah. Well, let's, uh, let's take a quick

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reports that the student protesters are like well-funded sleeper cells uh they're committed anti-semites and obviously as you mentioned like there is anti-semitic things being chanted outside of the gates right like as not not a part of the student protests, but, uh, anti-Semitism is real, is a, is a real problem. Obviously, uh, it's not part of this movement that people want it to be a part of, uh, or that some, some forces want, want it to be a part of, but can you just talk a little bit more about kind of what you're hearing from from the students who you've uh who you're talking to and like sitting with you you said they're they're studying there's also people in pain who have like lost family members to this conflict um but yeah what what else are you saying

yeah so on on campus it's like you walk in and on one of the lawns um there's all these like really bright tents like um and largely it's like students kind of sleeping there studying there reading there on the encampment um at times it's been really a joyful and happy environment um i was speaking to someone of palestinian heritage who said being on the encampment and getting messages from his loved ones in palestine and like having that connection being built is one of the safest and like most kind of liberated he's felt in many years um there's been a lot of singing and dancing. There were performances from all the various student dance groups. And there's been like a big Shabbat dinner

and celebrations for Passover. There was a moment when for a Shabbat dinner, some of the Jewish students who had been suspended came to the gate and then the Jewish students who were inside also came to the gate. And of course, students who were inside also came to the gate. And of course the suspended students weren't let in, but they kind of shared their meal and their like their space even despite the divide. So it's been a lot of just kind of like, yeah, showings of solidarity, showings of joy. And in terms of what people are saying in the beginning, feelings of joy. And in terms of what people are saying in the beginning, before the NYPD came, it was a group of students who had, I think, were very intensely supporting the pro-Palestine movement. After that, a lot of students who hadn't been that involved came because they were like,

no matter what your stance on the issue is, it's not right for a university president to call that nypd in to arrest its own students even when the nypd of all people were like they're totally peaceful they're just pretty cool yeah they were actually pretty chill the first time that my pd has ever been like do you want us to get knock them for setting up tents it's like no get them they're violent they're like they're playing drums and stuff yeah we have footloose rules here people might start dancing and then who knows what happens then freedom may abound yeah yeah exactly so even the nypd were kind of like why are we here like why are we doing this and i think that motivated a lot of students a lot of professors to come out and like stay in the encampment and since then i mean the media again portrays it as this constant

chaos and violence and anti-semitism and yes there is a lot of that happening especially outside of the gates but largely it's been people just like living life yeah and i think that's what's kind of it's so hard right because there's been this you know people talk about how anti-semitism is being weaponized against people who are merely trying to advocate for you know the autonomy and safety of palestinian people and like i'm like what's that experience for you and other students who are like caught in this like you know like you're you're morally outraged and you're trying to express that and next thing you know you find yourself being like confronted by the nypd because the administration is calling for that help like does this make students i mean

obviously the students are very resilient because it doesn't seem like things are like diminished in any way they're in fact they're escalating but like is the feeling of like optimism is it outrage mixed with optimism you know what i mean like what what is what's that kind of emotion like for everybody involved because yeah like to your point it's become the focus of the entire nation now especially as campuses all over the country are now also having their own uh encampments and things like that but like what like what is that feeling in terms of like what the end game is or like what how achievable the the goals of these encampments are i think there is there is a sense of optimism it's hard to say that there's any one kind of overarching feeling because there's so many different views.

And I certainly know students who are very perturbed about the whole situation. There's people who graduated during COVID and they really wanted a graduation. And it seems unlikely now that that will happen and everyone is kind of like running on low sleep and high stress but I think in terms of the protesters themselves they see that what they're doing is echoing history. They are optimistic and determined and from my interviews with protesters, they're like not going to take shit from the university. Um, the university has tried to get them to stop. Um, they came to the encampment with all these forms saying like, if you leave by 2 PM yesterday,

so April 29th, then, um, they'll be okay. Otherwise they'll be suspended and maybe expelled and basically banned from university property. But there was just a vote and it was immediately like, yes, we're staying. So I think that kind of reflects the fact that these students are determined. They are optimistic. And even in the South Africa protests, students occupied buildings for days before the university agreed to divest or agreed to like even think about divesting so they realize it's not a quick thing they realize it'll take sustained time and effort it's like wild to see because i just can't like i just think of my own experience going to college like nearly 20 years ago or yeah 20 years ago it's like my freshman

year and you enter a college campus like there to like explore ideas and to like begin to express yourself and the ways that you're like with all these things that you're learning by going to college and like to be in a situation now where that environment has been completely like flipped on its head and now it's like hostile and it just is it's like really fucked up to just see that and then just to see like this like to now see the administrations of these some of these schools just be hand in hand with like militarized police yeah it just feels like a complete fucking just just all kinds of fucked up that i'm like that's how my god it must fucking suck so bad for these kids but at the same same time, they're driven by a higher moral purpose than merely lamenting

the fact that what has our school become? But also, this is because there's something very real and there are tangible outcomes that they're seeking. It really adds color to this idea that we've heard people talk about that universities are you know hedge fund and real estate companies with like an academic apparatus attached to them it's like you're you're seeing that very sharp distinction where the hedge fund you know billion dollar you know endowment people and you know the the president who a lot of times the you know larry summers was the president of harvard like larry summers the guy who is now just like spokesperson for capitalism and uh fuck

you to everybody else but like it really just kind of puts into perspective like what these institutions actually are because that it's not like the faculty is out there being like yeah get the fuck out of here no they're protecting they're protecting the students is what i'm with the students yeah the learned people and then the more operational uh capitalistic actors are at the top working with military police trying Yeah. And I think that's also reflected in the stuff we learn. So like we have this thing at Columbia called the core curriculum. So I went there as an undergrad as well. And it's basically all the philosophy and literature that led us to Western society.

And in decades past, it's been very, very non-critical. Like there's been no discussions of colonialism or all the things that have gone wrong. And actually students protested- You did put quotes around Western, by the way. I should just clarify for the listeners. Yeah, yeah. I forgot that didn't translate to audio.

So actually, I believe in the 90s, students protested to diversify that whole core curriculum and what we learned. So we added a few scholars who are non-Western, and that's still a work in progress. It's still largely old, dead white men men but we have read some like edward saeed and gandhi and franz fanon and a lot of students are like what is the point of discussing all of this in a critical light if we can just sit in our classrooms and like theoretically muse about this using big words but we can't go out and protest with the ideas that we've learned. Right. Yeah. It's, yeah, it's funny too, because I've seen Fanon's work be also like weaponized to be like, this guy is just also preaching violence and like not really taking the totality of what Franz Fanon's work is to just be like, and this is the handbook that these students are operating off of when I've seen more like fear mongering type articles that are completely trying to obscure like what's happening and yeah it's like you know we see this all the time when people really begin to question and threaten the status quo of something like you get this huge outsized

response because you can see white supremacists have their demonstrations and the police are escorting them and because that's just a pillar of what american culture is first amendment yeah it's first amendment man but then you have kids peacefully protesting and now we're talking about like just full-on goon squads coming out to clear out like these these encampments and it's just i mean it's like it's so wild because at the same time you have these people in leadership, they're like, what,

what's, what's getting into these kids' minds. It's like the shit that they're experiencing on the backs of the policies you create. It's not a, it's not a mystery. It's like, they're made to live in the same world and they have their analysis is

just coming online much quicker than generations past who didn't quite have all of this information available to them, like at such speed and efficiency. So yeah. Thanks to tick tock. Right. Trisha, I have to assume all the protesters are just on tick tock at all times

waiting for their next action. But it is, um, I talk a lot about how like movies are an important gauge for like America's like conscious and unconscious biases. And just thinking about like how protesters are treated in a lot of mainstream movies, like especially in like the nineties and just like thinking of like PCU,

have you guys seen PCU? Like where it just treats, it's like a university where it's like, everything's like so politically correct. And like all the protesters are just treats, it's like a university where it's like, everything's like so politically correct. And like all the protesters are just like, people are protesting like what their lunch order is. And so dismissive, but even like in Forrest Gump,

like when he goes to the national mall for like, and like, there's a massive protest happening. Like they just portray it as like people following along in lines randomly. And like they portray like the black Panther party is like, there's this one part where like a black Panther leader is like shouting at Forrest Gump about like what he's angry about. And Forrest Gump leaves and the black Panther leader keeps shouting at the

space Forrest Gump left. Like he's like a anger automaton. And it's just like there's this mainstream sort of thing that's like we object to student protesters on the fact that they're annoying to us right you know like they just like don't want to hear it and it's pretty frustrating and i feel like you see some of that coming out, like where, like, there's just like this rush of different angles that are critical of the student protest movement. It's like they're, you know, like I was saying, it's like they're organized and like being paid by terrorist organizations. They're actually just doing it for like Instagram.

actually just doing it for like instagram they're um actually like doing it so well that it's covering up like some of the real news that's happening that was one that like i saw recently there's like a big op-ed in i think it was the la times where they were like student protesters well well-meaning or like distracting from the real crimes that are being committed over there. And, but like, so what they should not protest those crimes because like, isn't that a mainstream media problem?

Not a students trying to draw attention to the problem problem, you know? Yeah. I feel like there's also like this pettiness from the media because in a way the students are, are doing their job yeah they're embodying the outrage even an objective journalist should have or not necessarily you have to editorialize and have outrage within your reporting but to at least objectively state

what is happening why people are doing it and like what what the actual stakes are rather than trying to obfuscate and try and be like well you know some people said some really anti-semitic stuff so i think all these kids are actually just anti-semitic and it's like did you have you actually are you reporting on the amount of jewish students that are also participating in these demonstrations because that would also put a huge dent in that very like you know the lazy narrative that is used to discredit what's happening so yeah i feel like there's this part of it too that i mean because in a way i feel it like not like this envy but i'm i'm like fuck man i didn't have my shit together like that when i was in college like i didn't

like i knew what was wrong with the world but they're just it just wasn't at that place where it was uh there was there were opportunities to do that all the time like aside from like the iraq war and other demonstrations that i participated in or like marriage equality and things like that but in that moment i'm like so yeah i'm like damn man like these they're doing the right thing right now for the right reasons or you know i'd say 95 of the kids are right. And there's something to that. I feel like I'm sure on some level, the media, like it forces them to look at themselves too and be like, these kids are looking at how power flows, how hegemony works, how like finances work, how, you know, how U S foreign policy puts people in danger.

And they're reacting to it in a way that you know maybe we spent too much time talking about wmds and yellow cake and completely fucking missed the whole point and now you have a group of kids who are like dude we're not falling for the same shit anymore um yeah so anyway i'm just um i i hope that this this ends in the way that the students want and in a way that is justice-oriented and not seeing just more state-sanctioned violence. Yeah, definitely. I think the protesters themselves have been a little upset that coverage on them, the fact that all the cameras in the country have turned towards them rather than what's actually happening in gaza but also they they feel the need to speak up um yeah so i guess

that's something like we have control over our media diet so we can also make sure to to keep the situation in gaza yeah i think they should just go home they should just go home that's the only answer yeah just pack it up you're actually making it like i can't even even like think right now from your like protesting just leave me alone um no amazing well trisha thank you so much for coming back and uh hopefully we can we can stay in touch and kind of keep talking to you as the as the situation develops but yeah oh and also you were going to mention like where you know for people who are interested in getting out yeah objective understanding of what is happening like where where where should you where do we want to direct people to kind of begin their information gathering so i think social media is just so poisonous in terms of delivering news about all

of this. So I'd say be very wary of that. I found actually one of the best places to go is the student newspapers. So I know like the Columbia Daily Spectator might not be in your normal media diet, but like the Columbia newspaper is doing an amazing job. All of the other student newspapers across campuses are doing really really good jobs of reporting and often they're the only ones with access inside campus so check out those and then i just wanted to plug um a twitter account that some of my fellow journalism students are running it's cjs underscore fact check. And what they're doing is basically looking at a lot of the news on social media that's being posted. And a lot of those things are like pictures from ages ago or just complete misrepresentations of what's happening.

So if you want to see what's true and what's not, check out that Twitter and follow it. And they'll be keeping us updated. If you are going to go on social media go to that one yeah because at least that one isn't horrific and full of shit yeah i get all my sports news from the columbia student newspaper so that's uh already consider me a follower already that's where i get my gambling tips. We're a sports team, so. Amazing. Yeah, thanks so much, Jack. Thank you, Miles. Yeah, yeah.

Really good seeing you, Tricia. Yeah, my heart goes out to you and the other students. And I hope, you know, just more power to all of you because this is not an easy thing. And this is like one of the biggest societal issues in united states politics that we've just never had a reckoning with and we're seeing it play out in this way and i think it's just massively important so yeah um yeah all credit to to everybody um being out there and being in solidarity with the palestinian people the kids are all right after all it seems like those ipad kids they're alright they're alright

just alright though and by alright we mean like C plus they're just they're alright millennials still fucking rule thank you we're A plus amazing alright that's gonna do it for today back tomorrow with the whole last episode of the show

until then be kind to each other be kind to each other. Be kind to yourselves. Get the vaccine. Don't do nothing about white supremacy. And we will talk to you all tomorrow. Bye. Bye.

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your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark

versus Angel Reese. Every great player needs a foil. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one

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of iHeart Women's Sports. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry, Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's basketball. And on this new season, we'll cover all things sports and culture.

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