The Daily Zeitgeist - Zeit Risk 1/27: Deep Seek AI, Dr. Phil, 'Flight Risk', New Jersey Drones

Episode Date: January 27, 2025

In this edition of Zeit Risk, Jack and special guest co-host Andrew Ti discuss their respective weekends, China's new ChatGPT competitor 'Deep Seek AI', Dr. Phil livestreaming ICE raids, Mel Gibson's new film 'Flight Risk', the return of the New Jersey drones and much more!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So Trump's doing a lot of stuff, signing a lot of papers. What was stopping Biden from doing just this is my question, ramming stuff through? Right. This is my question. Well, I mean, it's a combination of like weakness and he doesn't actually want good stuff to happen. Yeah. Like he had the power to do plenty of stuff and he just didn't do it. Yeah. Cause he really was putting it out there. Like his fucking hands are tight.

I'm like, well, I mean, you could just sign a bunch of papers like this dude is doing and let the court sort it out. Yeah. I his assertion would be if I do this, then the Republicans will will do that. Yeah, but it was like dumb on his face. Yeah, it's just the whole we go they go low, we go high. Yes. Yeah, they're just like that is their entire philosophy. It's very frustrating to watch where it's just like, I thought I thought the president couldn't do shit.

It's just why was he always throwing his hand at? Yeah, that's it goes back to my theory that he just had a profound futility fetish, Biden, where like he he passes bills that then get shot down and then goes home and like jacks off to that feeling somehow. Like, yeah, that's what he's in it. Well, it's like stuff. Just justice theater. I mean, I think that like the results for Democrats speak for themselves is they don't actually want they want this also.

Yeah. Or they don't mind some of the bad stuff and they like all the financial stuff. Right. Yeah. So someone, there's a tweet that was like, I get to choose between the Ku Klux Klan and Lockheed Martin every four years until the asteroid hits. And that does feel like what it is. I, there is an aspect of the psychology of like, you know, being raised Catholic, like I think like Mel Gibson and Joe Biden both have this thing. of like, you know, being raised Catholic. Like, I think like Mel Gibson and Joe Biden

both have this thing where like, there's some honor. And it's in, it's in like the Rocky movies too, where it's like the thing that is cool is like getting the shit kicked out of you. Like that is somehow the honorable thing. I was raised with that. I like, you know, like Karate Kid is also this way. These stories were like, how many times you get knocked down, Jack?

It's how many times you get exactly. And that to no effect. Yeah. For no purpose, like I really is like Rocky. You know, they count the knockdowns in a boxing match, right? That's against you, man. Losing so bad on points. Well, you're getting also like smoked.

You then do have to win. It is. It's a little bit like exactly. It's the number of times you get back up and then win and then win. Yes, exactly. You know, we have a loser mentality that is like hurting you. I just think he really like has that, like he thinks there is honor in doing what he perceives as the right honorable thing and fucking losing badly and being like, but I remember a time when I could

have, you know, grab steak and eggs with Strom Thurman. And it's just like, well, that what? Yeah, that's on you for you were a Nazi. That shouldn't have done that. Stake and eggs more like liver and onions. Yeah. Well, Strom had liver and onions. Joe, Joe was always the stick next.

Yeah. Carried it in his lunch pail on the fucking train. It was cold by the time it got there. Yeah, I don't know I I truly think there's like something I keep talking about his futility fetish and I I think like there's something To it like legit that there's like something about getting the shit beat out of you and like the way that some versions of Catholicism like interpret the way that some versions of Catholicism interpret the story of Jesus that really fetishizes that. Yeah, maybe it was bad to worship a guy who got his ass completely handed to him.

Yeah. Well, you know, there are different parts that you can focus on. But if your main focus is the getting your ass handed to him and you make a movie that is two hours of him just getting whipped brutally. And like that is the meaning of his life for you as far as you're concerned. Then yeah, it's going to send you down some weird paths. Yeah, because people really do focus on the torture aspect instead of like the cool stuff, like like the wine thing. Yeah, the magic water.

Yeah, the magic trick for the taking care of the poor. That's all there and end of his life. Like if that, you know, something on people's feet is. Yeah, my whole philosophy is a foot fucking lose until you shoot the moon via divine magic. Like, yeah, weird words, the bad shit because we talk about crypto now. Brian, we're always talking about crypto. Hello, the Internet and welcome to this week trend edition of

Darnit, at least I can stay production of I Heart Radio. Yes, you're very precise. My mic sounds nice. I'm thrilled to be joined in this episode in our miles seed by a very funny TV writer and producer, the host of the Yo's This Race podcast. It's Andrew T. What up, what up? Oh, man. So good.

So good. So good. Life is going good. World's good. Let's just go with that. Let's just say every day. Everything's good. At least we got a little rain in L.A. You know, we did get a little rain. A little rain. That's my underrated is we needed it so bad.

And we needed it. I guess we're gonna we're just the our city government is simply not going to tell us how much toxic sludge the rain generated or toxic the sludge is. Yeah. How toxic is it? It can't be good. Yeah, the the air is so clear now, which is very, very nice after, you know, the wildfires to be able to like see hills and, you know, things that were, you know, you you had to squint to even know we're there for a while now. But that does beg the question, where'd all that stuff go? Those in the air before. And it's on the ground and wet ground and the water. Yeah. So guess it's it's this fucked up best case scenario where in the water, best case scenario, I mean, yes, the ocean. Yeah, that's right.

And probably not actually. Yeah, I guess. All right, Andrew. This is the episode where we tell people what was trending over the weekend. But first we let them get to know us a little bit better by telling them something we think is overrated, something we think is underrated. Why don't I start us off with something I think is overrated. I just heard that I hadn't heard this in a while, but I heard somebody say it's best thing since sliced bread this morning.

And in the context of our recent discussion on processed food, that one hits different, I'm going to say. I don't know. It's just the go to, you know, exhibit for greatest invention. Why did people not have not I have so many knives now, not to brag, but like I got so many. I can I can slice the fuck out of bread. And, you know, I try to buy loaves of bread that are. Yeah, like whole loaves of bread, like a fucking G.

Oh, yeah, like whole loaves of bread like a fucking G and I don't know like so the efficiency Not yeah that much more efficient my number of knives. I have my knife drawer is Overwhelming in many cases the only way it's scientifically possible to have sliced bread That's not like hardened into a series of like monoliths is with loads of ultra a series of like monoliths is with loads of ultra processed chemicals. I was going to say that that is probably the actual innovation of sliced bread has to be like preservatives. Yes, exactly. They didn't. It's not just somebody thought of cutting the bread.

It's like somebody invented a chemical that you could put on the bread to make it. Yeah. It's like being like, it's the best, best invention since pre-rolled cigarettes started taking us to flavor town. Like, all right. I mean, I guess. If you don't have the preservatives, you get a, uh, feastables, just mold all the way up and down. That's right. Dale is the best case scenario. Right. Exactly. So I don't know. I do love a nice whole loaf of bread, take it home, put it in a big bag

and usually stays fresh for like a few days. This is crazy. My overrated is eating healthy because I bought myself a loaf of Wonder Bread this last week. Uh huh. Can I just tell you, as a grown ass man who has mostly spent his recent year and a half trying to eat well, Wonder Bread is so good. It's so fucking good. It's incredible. It's yeah, I was I was talking I had a crustable for the first time the other day. And it's

basically like Wonder Bread turned into a hot pocket. Crustable is it's like a peanut butter jelly inside of a of like a white bread. Oh, a white bread like strudel, you know, like me. Yeah, just a giant white Wonder Bread ravioli. And I was like, holy shit. This is the texture of the bread is so pillow. So, yeah, I mean, I guess it's just like white people bow or like, right. Just, yeah. Because it's that it's all the stuff. It's like bleached flour. It's a little sweet or a lot sweet

in case of across the walls. And it's just like like a like a thing you can kind of hold in your hand that is like, oh my god Can I just say I did probably see this on a cooking YouTube somewhere? But my pro tip for making a sandwich with Wonder Bread you can't toast in the toaster I mean you can't you can't do this by toasting in the toaster, but use a skillet to toast only one side of it. Okay Just one side in water or you're just like putting it raw on the skillet. I was, I was not like wiping out my cast iron super efficiently. So there was kind of just the residual seasoning of whatever the fuck. Oh yeah.

I didn't add extra fat, but basically having one crispy side of the bread and one like wonder bread pillowy side. So fucking good. My God. Crust goes out. So like it's basically like inside crust crusty side goes inside crusty side goes in. You use that as the basis for like your mayonnaise or your mustards or whatever.

You know, normal sandwich. And then so outside you get like super, super pillowy, but then when your teeth go in, you find a crunch in the middle. Yeah. Well, people probably didn't know they were getting a one of like a point counterpoint crossfire style show today. But my overrated is sliced bread. Your underrated is Wonder Bread. Yeah. Yeah.

And we solved it. I think, I think you're right. And I'm wrong, but maybe, I just feel like we need a better like exhibit a for great innovations. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's more your point. Also, I mean, look, it's going to be the great innovation is going to be once again, the polio vaccine in about fucking five years. The reinvention of polio. Once we have a generation of children named by polio, we're going to want the vaccine again, allegedly.

Yeah, I don't know. We'll see. He's getting confirmed or I don't know, maybe not. He's getting confirmed or I don't know. Maybe not. He's getting examined. Yeah. You know, he's got his confirmation hearing this week. RFK. We'll see how that goes. As we talked about last time with Pete Hegseth, where everyone was like, this guy's got no chance. It's like, no,

literally almost everybody makes it through. Like everybody gets through. It's I mean, it's this, this is sort of baked into the election. Like like it's, it's going to happen. It doesn't really matter. I mean it does, but it doesn't matter more than what already happened, I guess. Like it's, it's just like, like we're, you know, we're, we're finally cashing in, you know, all the Supreme court decisions for the next, like our lifetimes, they were determined like five years ago.

So it feels bad to watch them incoming, but it's not time to fight time to fight will have been a decade or more ago. And we lost the fight. We lost the fight. We're or more ago. And we lost the fight. We lost the fight. We're losers. Yeah. It's a new fight. Yeah. America doesn't, doesn't like to admit that, but yeah. Yeah. What is, let's see, what's something you think is, so you've given me your underrated. Do you have something you think's overrated? Well, yeah, I guess this is going to not sound, well, I'll just put it as classic movies.

I know even as they're overrated. Okay. Even me as an old person. Yeah, I know, like whatever my attendance span is as not obviously as cooked as your average Gen Z or but it's not great. Yeah. average Gen Z-er, but it's not great. But yeah, I don't like, I think to me the biggest example is when I watch, now I'm worried I said this on this show already, but I watched Star Wars with some like, you know, normal children, none of my friends' kids, and watching their eyes glaze over at the pace of Star Wars,

which I was growing up is not only to me was the most thrilling thing possible. When it came out, people were like, this is the death of cinema. People won't be able to like understand anything anymore. Yeah. And like Star Wars has multiple boardroom scenes, like a new hope. Yes, somebody gets force choked in a couple of them, but yeah, sure. There is like an ending, but it really mostly is in like 15 honkeys sitting around a long table arguing. Yeah, like this is crazy. And next, the kids are going to want to see procedure.

Yeah. So I'm just saying, just saying like obviously it would be nicer if everyone was smarter But I do think just like our brains are processing everything differently And nothing is classic. Yeah the I I talked about this a lot when I was like there's that thing the Flynn effect where like, you know IQ studies are bullshit and you know, not a good normative judgment Or objective judgment of like any anything of value But I do think it's interesting that they were like going up for decades and decades just across like in every country

They were just like going up and up and up. Yeah and I always thought like there was something with how much more complicated the field of information is that like people have to deal with and like you can kind of see it in old media when you like watch the Godfather and Like they felt like they needed to show somebody walking down a hallway to get to the room where they were going for you to understand like how they got there or something. Right. Or like you watch old movie trailers and they like have to tell you the whole story. Like just like hold your hand through it and just be like, this is John McClane. He is a New York cop who's having a bad day.

Here he is in California. Every movie trailer used to be the log line of, or not the log line, the outline of Act One. Yes. Like fully everything until. Right. Yeah. They just had to hold your hand all the way through it.

I feel like there's, yeah, like some of the stuff that was treated as like schlock, like when I was young, people were like real worried about MTV editing and like Michael Bay, like having to cut a thousand times per second. Yeah. And it's just like, yeah, but like that becomes a part of people's visual, like vocabulary and they have to, they like learn to process that really, really quickly. Yeah. So it's just just people are better at processing complicated information now. I don't know that it's done us much good, but I think it's all tied in together. We're better at perceiving lots of information of low complexity. We're better at perceiving information in a complicated way, I would say. And worth it's processing complicated stuff.

Definitely not better at getting to the truth in any way. Yeah. But better reading what is there, I think reading someone's intent or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or like, I got it. I got it. What's I got? Let's go. What's the next thing? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't think it's like inherently bad. I mean, maybe. Yeah, I don't think the evidence. The evidence actually is that it is inherently bad in a way that we can't perceive. Right. Yeah. Like it's people being like, yeah, I get it. And now let's move on to you telling me why 9-11 was an inside job because I need like another hit of something, you know? I guess it's just corruptible and everything has to become a like, like an art, not an argument from authority, but just like when you have so many conflicting things, all you can do is use

like gravitas, not gravitas, but trustability or you know, something like the reason, like Elon Musk. Yeah. The reason Elon Musk has people who believe everything he says is because he had a track record in one thing, whether that track record is fake, it's fake. Right. Like it's, it's wild that like, I guess to me maybe cause I, I like, like to me Joe Rogan is probably the pinnacle of this because as a, like, I guess to me, maybe because I like, like to me, Joe Rogan is probably the pinnacle of this because as a like, like I actually like jujitsu. I like MMA. Yeah. Yeah.

And he's absolutely correct about those things and, and they're way. Yeah. It's like, it's so like, it's so frustrating. Watch, watching this guy who's like really good about whether or not this is a good like You know, it's it's easy to advance your your position in wrestling from here Yeah watching that guy opine about science in general or like how society should be structured is wild because i'm like Yeah, using the same tone of voice you sound the same and you are right about thing a Sure, you're so wrong about thing b. Yeah. And it's like, I think that is unfortunately, we just have to shorthand everything and our algorithms are exploitable and they're being

exploited and they're just pursuing the most interesting thing that they can find in the moment. The thing that's light up the brain regardless of truth. And so that he's just sitting there just being like, that's interesting, man. That's yeah, because they don't tell you about that. I heard that's been proven, right? All right. Hard turn. My my underrated. This is very, very loose, very loosely researched. My underrated, this is very loose, very loosely researched. So my kid was asking about a camping trip that we took from a couple years ago where

there were like no real activities. Like the plan was like camp outside, it was too cold. So we stayed in what looked like just a random suburban house, but like it was a big, you know, it was a Cub Scout troop. So it was like a big group of people staying in like tons of bunk beds, big common room, just a bunch of people in a big house in not even really the woods, but like just playing board games and like making dinner together. And he brings this up. We've gone camping since then, like on, you know,

with like had like really cool proper camping experiences in nature. He like brings that one up repeatedly. And I was like, that's weird that he's so into that one. And I remember, so I was like thinking about when I was a kid, like my eighth grade class did a like end of year lock in where like everybody like stayed at school like overnight and like everybody just had like a big sleepover or like we had church overnight. It's like the place I least wanted to be in the universe was ever like church, church

stuff. But like these overnights are like a, you know, fun memory from when I was a kid. And when you read like deep, like the big history books, they're like, yeah, that's actually the natural way. Like we want to be around people. It's not natural to just be like closed off in your nuclear family and you know. Oh, sure, sure, sure.

You know, like being in a big group, with like big room with a bunch of people, like making food together and like everybody's just like kind of, you know, sharing parenting and just, you know, that, I don't know. It in addition to the, the children crave the summer is the, is your, is I still need to, but yeah, I'm saying the children crave the communes. You're going to love it. Yeah, sounds like it's right up my alley.

Just have your kids watch it. You got to stop at probably 45 minutes, but you know, I love the first part. Yeah, I do need to watch that. It's on my list. It's just every time it's time to watch it, I'm like two and a half fucking hours. It's it's it's a pleasant. Yeah.

Well, now I'm sold. It's good. It's just pretty like, oh, yeah, yeah. This is like the fourth time somebody's brought up Midsummer to me in the past couple of weeks. So, yeah, but again, this is my sign to to watch it, mainly because I keep trying to start a commune So yeah, I think why people are bringing I mean it feels like you're like big your great hall great hall life Yeah, long house. Yeah, let's get a long house. That's the shit that you want. Yeah boy

You're gonna love the first 35 minutes of mid-summer This works, this is great Yeah, so that's my underrated is all right. Bread and movies, communal living. Hey, listen, society is on a path where we might not have a choice. We're going to need to find something else. It feels like we're going to need to find something. Find your community, find your people that will protect you.

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And we're back. And as we are recording this, the stock market is having a bad day. And Andrew, you hate to see that. Oh my God. That's our number one value. Tragically being lost. Yeah. In line with our overall theory that like every time something good for people happens, like the stock market goes down and when they're like, we're actually firing half the U.S. workforce,

yeah, stock market goes up. It's like a great inverse indicator of how like people's lives are. I mean, I think there, I guess there can probably be edge cases or different ways. I mean, it's, it's a different economy and the globe is the globe, but like that was the only thing that got Berlusconi out as he finally tanked the Italian economy. Like he could do all the other shit. I'm just saying in post 20th century, it might be that the only way to get a fascist out of power is to Take the stock market of the people who are popping them up. Yeah, maybe I don't know I mean people are so concerned about the price of eggs, man. They're those are just getting worse

They're going the direction of fucking diamond like they're yeah, just just fucking by the way, get it. Get some chickens, fool. Exactly. That really feels like the choice that a lot of people are going to make. But of course, then you'll kind of be giving off communist vibes. You know. Yeah, I'm just a chicken for your commune. But so the reason some stocks of the US are having a tough day is and it's specifically tech stocks after after all the tech billionaires showed up to kiss Trump's ass at the inauguration. You really you really hate to see them have such a tough day because a Chinese company

released an AI product called DeepSeek last week, end of last week, like on Friday. And it is basically as good as chat GPT, but way less expensive. And they developed it for six million dollars. Oh, yeah. On some Austin Powers shit, like six million dollars. Like literally the like the AI experts that they interviewed are like, that's a fucking joke of a budget, bro.

Like that's they're so mad that that's how much they sunk into research. But the way they did it was they made it open source. I mean, there's also probably just knowing China. I speak with no information outside of this, but there's a world where it's being propped up by Chinese government money that's not being reported. Even so. Yeah. Like, listen, I have all people love like a Chinese knockoff of an overinflated American thing. So this fucking rules to me. Sorry. It rules for AI, which I hate. Yes, exactly. Alleged AI.

Yeah, I think so. There's just a lot of people freaking out about, you know, what this means for AI. If they can like catch up to these companies that are like just shoveling hundreds of millions of dollars into the research furnace every year and in no way remotely profitable. And then another country that doesn't have all the copyright laws and secrecy of the US tech industry can come in and compete with it. I think people are kind of shitting their pants a little bit. To your point, I think a lot of people are I've been. I think it's a combination of this and red note.

A lot of people are like, and this just goes to prove China is better in every way. They fucking eradicated poverty. You know, they're still an authoritarian country. Yeah. Yeah. It's listen. It's more just like I think it's like the curtain on what the U.S. actually is, is being pulled back for more people. Yes, I think so. It's like it's not that like China is making relative gains.

It's just that like the perception is China is making huge gains because America is being revealed for how like actually shitty and inequitable and fucking all of authoritarian that it is. So it's like, yeah, there's relatively little desire to move from the US to China and as opposed to vice versa. A lot of that is marketing, but we'll see how the world goes. Yeah. See how the world goes. Yes, we will. I think there's going to be, like as people face a more realistic comparison between the two countries and as people become more disillusioned

with America, I feel like it's going to be, it's going to be an interesting time on the Internet. I don't know what, you know, like, yeah, the Cold War really drove both the US and Russia pretty pretty crazy. I mean, what one thing that is a little insane, this is me speaking in a completely self-interested place. However, like the one place that the US is actively like innovating and the unquestioned world leader is fucking Hollywood and not Hollywood as an entertainment, but Hollywood is in a propaganda machine. And it is honestly wild that both the recent governments have kind of decided to let Hollywood die.

Because, yeah, Hollywood's the only like uniquely, I mean, I guess they would say Silicon Valley, but guess what? Look, it's not. Like Hollywood is the place where the US unquestionably rules the globe. And we're electing to let that soft power just evaporate for no good reason. Yeah, they're they're mean to Donald Trump. Yeah. So that's no good reason. Yeah, they're they're mean to Donald Trump. So that's a good reason. Yeah, they're also like Joe Biden.

Yeah, exactly. Like it's like, you know, just truly thinking even as a full U.S. imperialist, I don't understand why you wouldn't prop up Hollywood. That's the one thing that lets you the the U S be perceived as the superpower. There should be a new top gun movie every six months. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You guys are fucking off anything. It's just like, like America's, the is the norm culturally because of Hollywood. Yeah.

Or like everyone knows American norms. Right. Yeah. And this is me speaking as an evil person. Yeah. Yeah. Like if you are going to be an evil country that is like, it's important to you to uphold your place as like, you know. Yeah. You would keep your iron grip on the world's media. The myth that your entire shit is based on. You should maybe upkeep that, but not so much. Instead they're kind of taking that for granted and going hard in the other direction. What

new levels of fucking dystopia are being invented on a daily basis? Let's talk about the fact that ice raids are now being live streamed by fucking Dr. Phil. Yeah. Yeah. This just came like they're advertising this on X. So this like just showed up in my feed that like, Hey, Dr. Phil is has a live stream of what's going on in Chicago. And he thinks it's good. This is this by the way. I am as as this episode comes out I am in the midst of being a marathon guest on behind the bastards about Oprah and This truly is Oprah has some splayed in to do like She's why did you put this man into the the national spotlight? He's yeah

It's funny seems like it seems bad. It was bad. Yeah, I don't know. There's bad. And then there's Dr. Phil partners with America's Gestapo. Bad. Yeah.

And we are at that second level as ice continues to arrest and deport hundreds of people. Dr. Phil is tagging along and live streaming arrests while serving as a vocal propagandist for the border czar common. Oh man. Oh man.

Oh man. Let's call that. Sorry. I said that to you, man. Yeah. I will also just say there was no reason in the last four years ice needed to have this budget have these specific fascists still employed for them? Right. If we truly were quote unquote, resisting fascism under Democrats. Yeah, they're still here.

They've been running camps. All the fucking dickheads that are leaping to do this could have been fired, but they weren't. So well, what's Biden supposed to do is hands are tied. Oh, wait, right. He do? His hands are tied. Oh, wait, right. His hands are tied, but yeah, that's him wanting that. That's sort of a sub situation. Yes, I really do believe that. But yeah, so he's bragging about how they were after 200 high value targets in

Chicago, the whole thing was streamed on his merit TV platform and he's treating it as like, all right, we've got our knock list, you know, like it's like mission impossible. And he's got his list of dangerous men that he's helping them go after except for the fact that Trump has given them daily quotas of deportations. So Matt Iglesias was on that Ezra Klein podcast. And yeah, exactly. What a fucking phrase. Yes. And he was basically saying like, so this is a thing like in watching the way that the supposedly like liberal media is not up to the task of resisting this.

Like one of the things that keeps jumping out to me is like, they know how to criticize somebody for being bad or like inefficient, but they like can't do a moral critique like they, because that's not both sides in it. So like he was basically like, uh, by the way, like they're not even good at deporting, like he's putting up the same numbers as Biden. Like on average, he's at 408 deportations. Biden was at 410. And apparently that logic reached the Trump administration because Trump officials are

now being like, we need to get those numbers up to 1200 to 1500. But also crucially, like it's like this thing of like, yes, Trump is absolutely worse, but like, just remember and like despair that Biden wanted to be as bad. Like Biden, again, this is not like helpful, especially, but like almost everything that you and I and listeners and good people think is a bad thing that Trump will do Biden did some version of that right just inefficiently less yeah yeah like slightly or with you

know slightly nicer about it with more women and like rainbow flags and fucking people of color doing the fascism so like I, I don't want to, I'm not downplaying how bad Trump is, but it is like very depressing how much Biden was also doing this shit. Yeah, of course. And just in terms of like the media's kind of how they're covering this, it feels like they're still trying to like spot the lie, which doesn't work when you're dealing with like an authoritarian leader who tells you the awful thing he's going to do and then like does it. They're like, they still feel like they have to be like, and yeah there's also Alec Karekatsanis was pointing out like there's this New York Times article that

was like, Trump's policies are actually more popular than he. And like it was like this really specifically worded, I think we're going to get into it in tomorrow's episode. Well, right. It, cause it's, it's like, like when you aggregate approval ratings, like a bunch of shit that Trump is doing baseline, like normal stuff, like, you know, I don't even know what the specifics are, but like, you know, let's just the big something big like he's not eliminating social security completely immediately. People are, yes, I like that. Or like, like just like not touching stuff that doesn't need to be touched. Of course, that's more popular. That's not a Trump policy. That's just a default of the US government. Right. Right. And it's just like it's happening in the background. So, yeah, I guess if you add up all the numbers and contour yourself, then sure.

Yeah, that feels like that's what they yeah. Adding up the number like cover everything like sports, like not just elections, like everything when you remove morality from the equation, that's just what you get two sides trying to execute better than the other. And if you cover it as such, it's just going like you don't really have anything to say when the dictator comes to power and is just like, I'm about to do this bad thing. And there I did it. And they're like, actually, you didn't do it that hard.

Yeah, like, well, they're also like, they're not covering, they're covering the sport as defined by what they think government is, as opposed to what it actually is. Right. Like government is doing, is you know, taking our money and doing good or bad with it.

And that's not what they're talking about. Partly because every government is just doing a combination of good and bad in more bad than I would like proportions. So it's just like, well, okay, you can, you can say Democrats or Republicans are like playing a game on deportations, but it's like, why is any of this? Right. Yeah.

Like that's, it's not a good thing. So it doesn't matter who's doing a better or worse job on it. Yeah. We'll talk tomorrow about the like Colombian tariff threats from Trump and like that. Yeah, I'm just seeing people cover it as like Trump identified the leverage point that he had and like got them to back down, like just talking about it again, like it's fucking jujitsu or some shit. Yeah. But also it's like, you know he's been given control of

Like the most like this for all you gamers out there like just the most OP build possible Right. He it's just like oh, oh cool. You won This is like a fucking like like giving your five-year year old like all the all the fucking points in the end. You're just like, yeah, okay, sure. You want who cares? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. But they are they seem impressed. Yeah. They will give him the win is like my issue. It seems like they're willing to give him the win. And I don't know, I'm just a little bit surprised at how quickly they've gotten on board with the whole kind of authoritarian project that's happening. Yeah.

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way that like this should not, this is fucking crazy. It made a 12 million dollars. So it was it was a like very slow weekend at the box office. Yes. Go see Nosferatu. Nosferatu. Yeah, I can't believe it got stiffed on. I mean, it got like three technical awards, but I would. Yeah.

I want to have thought director or something. Nobody, nobody gives a shit. Don't worry about the Academy awards as a listen, given the way the nominations went, I'm picking my words, but yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, it's not, it's think of it this way. I guess it's like, this is a popular vote in a small, relatively insular community. And no one has time to see every movie.

And I'll just leave it at that. Yeah, that's a good point. But unfortunately, this movie was not eligible. Unclear if it would have gotten any Academy attention this year. But it this is the one like I talked about. I think my overrated from a few weeks ago was just the decision to like show his like hat wig come off. Did you see the trailer for this?

It's like such a wild moment. Like it's something that we've only seen in like, like slapstick comedies before. I listened. I probably, I guess I, the reason I didn't see it this weekend is I was like, I don't want to fucking give Mel Gibson any money or Mark Wahlberg personally. However, it does look kind of not good. It does look kind of. It looks insane. Yes. Yeah. It got a C cinema score from audiences. To put that in perspective, Kat's got a C plus. So I am assuming I actually don't know enough about the movie to know how it's extremely

right wing given that Mel Gibson directed it. But I'm assuming there's some version. I'm sure there's some stuff in there. Yeah. I guess I'm pleasantly surprised that, I mean, I guess Mark Wahlberg is the villain, but I'm the prisoner or whatever is a white guy in Topher Grace. So yeah, that's true. I don't know.

Charles Gruden in Midnight Run. If we're just broadly speaking about movies this weekend. I saw the presence or presence. The Soderbergh ghost movie. Ghost one from the perspective of ghosts and my my POV. You're a ghost, but it's actually from the point of view of a ghost. And so when you're a ghost, picture of a ghost. Yeah.

Oh, God, I know I'm old, but the change of the meaning of POV is one of the wildest things I've ever. It means nothing, right? Like as far as I can tell. Well now, yeah. Well now it means you're through the point of view or you're viewing A. Right.

And those are largely almost diametric opposites, right? Like the only other option for a camera is to be looking at neither Right, and that then is just weird. Um, what I will say about presence I just wanted to say this officially on some podcast somewhere So you're the first opportunity for me to say this out loud. I like the movie enough. It's wild that Lucy Liu keeps a shoes on household and I will fucking die on that. Wow. Yeah. It's mostly a little ambiguous and then there's a wide shot.

And I'm like, those fucking Chinese kids have their shoes in the fucking rug. The fuck is happening? Yeah. So that's it feels after like, you know, my wife is Korean. My wife. Sorry. Korean. And we've been, you know, shoes off household as long as we've lived together and going back to a shoes on household feels so wild to me. It feels like disgusting. Yeah, it feels like it feels disrespectful.

I'm like, I can't, I'm going to take my shoes off. That's just how I hate it. Anyway, it's really weird. Yeah. I otherwise, you know, I like the movie, but come on, come on, Hollywood. The fuck is happening here. Yes. It is surprising. Like the fact that they got Mark Wahlberg to, and I haven't seen the movie. So maybe there's a twist. But the fact that they got him to not be the good guy who saves the day on a plane, like when he's so clearly, you know, all this 9-11 commentary is if I was there, wouldn't have gone down like that.

Just, I mean, I know. Imagine I imagine that Mel Gibson does not have the sense of humor, but if there was someone funnier helming this hook, right, get Mark Warburg to say it wouldn't have gone down like this. Yeah, exactly. In the course of the movie, it's not going down like that. I'm here and it's not going down like that. It's not going down like that. I'm here and it's not going down like that. He also got again, a thing that we were talking about possibly in the cold open is just Mel

Gibson's weird. Oh, sure. Utility fetish like violence, weird interpretation, like focus on the, uh, you know, getting the shit kicked out of them. Version of Catholicism that, uh, I was like, I literally was about to ask you, what is that called? And I was like, all right, it's the passion of the movie. But he went on Hannity to promote his movie and said of Donald Trump, it's like daddy arrived and he's taken off his belt, you know? Um, yeah. So he's, he's excited about that.

I mean, yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's not much to say about drones are back. You guys, that's exciting. Yes. The New Jersey drones, which needs to be the name of a minor league baseball team if it's not already. Yeah, there's a there's a headline on Drudge that said Northeast drone sighting surge again ellipses.

And that's literally the only possible way to make the story seem like the drones are still intriguing because when you click through to the New York Post, the headline is Northeast drone sighting surge again after FAA limits lifted. So as we talk about just be in case anybody missed the way this drone story happened, there's everyone's like, what the fuck are these drones? It's so weird. Like where, where are they coming from? And then the FAA put limits on whether you were able to fly your hobby drones.

They said, you can't, it'll be a crime. And the drone sightings stopped. Yeah. So the aliens are apparently very sensitive to the possibility of ticketing. Yeah. As are the Iranians. Another one of these.

It'd be like if people spent the first few months of those like lime scooters showing up everywhere, insisting that like nobody could explain where they were coming from and that it must be aliens. Like it's just people are seeing drones more often because other people are flying drones more often like that. And there's like the FAA limited the ban on being able to fly drones wherever the fuck you want last year.

And so then people are like, all right, I'm going to start flying these all over the place. Jersey. Yeah, they lifted the ban on where they could fly them and everyone decided New Jersey, which tell me exactly. You know, I just is ahead of the cut, you know, now that we're talking about it, I will say going back to our like what's wrong with people's brains thing. I now I'm kind of like maybe what's happening is our logic, our processing power. Like we're just operating on jump cut reasoning. Like to go from I see drones everywhere to a I saw more drones today to there are aliens or Iranians or whatever. It's just like, well,

that's that can only happen in jump cut because if you walk through the steps, it makes no sense. Right. Exactly. It's weird. Just take it's like we have. We're all in a writer's room that is trying to come up with the most interesting direction for us to go. It would be more interesting if these vaccines that we've all been getting since we were kids were actually like the government, like doing like spying on it, like it's. We do actually live in like the matrix or some shit.

It's more interesting if the people who bought a $90 drone are aliens, but it's just, yeah, we're all just writers rooming reality in the direction that is going to be most intriguing and it's driving everybody out of their minds. Here's my actual question for someone, I don't know, smarter than me or more invested in me than this, but we are at a sort of like facts don't care about your feelings stage of things, but surprise, surprise the other way. Like what is the actual way to like bet against all of these counterfactual like right wing beliefs?

I don't know. Like for instance, actually. So, so after, uh, the 2020 election, there was this guy who I think might be kind of a right-wing goon or libertarian goon, but poker player named Bart Hanson, I think his name is. And he was just openly taking bets on Twitter with QAnon people, you know, for large amounts of money. And like, I think they went through it because they would put them in escrow accounts, but he would just be like, Donald Trump will not be like sworn in as president in 2021.

Like I'm taking all bets. Yeah. And he made a ton of money. That's great. Like, what is the way? I mean, obviously you don't want to like short, like fucking iron lungs or go long on like iron lungs or whatever. But like, it's something like that.

Like the things that these people believe and that they're using their immense power to implement do not comport with actual factual reality. And there's only so long they can push that off. Right. So how do you arbitrage that? That's my challenge to the Zyke. Yeah.

Let us know if you've got a way to let, let's turn this whole thing into a get get rich quick scheme because people who like you could short the stock market, but the stock market has been able to just be completely isolated from reality. Like I think the stock market is fully in on, on the lie right now. Right. Yeah. Well, but also like the stock market, it's like, like things that are bad for humanity are good for it, as you said. Like, so if everyone, if every corporation could fire everyone,

that would be good for the stock market, even though that would eliminate its customer base. Right. But you know, I think in their world it's like, that's fine. If like 99% of Americans or the world or whatever are just sort of like serfs or like indentured servants, that's fine. And then we can just like pass around the same like couple billion dollars to keep the stock market moving. Yeah, I feel like that's where we're headed more than some like revelation that like they were lying about everything.

But I'm just saying like, like the other things they're implementing are incorrect. I mean, look, even from an economic perspective, like fucking all these mass deportations, they are going to ruin the agricultural economy, the manufacturing economy. Right. These things will come home to roost as it were eventually. Yes. So what does one do about this? Like we canost as it were, eventually. Yeah.

So what does one do about this? Like we can't stop it happening. Right. Like, you know, if RFK goes in, I think that's it's a reasonable bet. There's going to be polio in America. Right. Eventually, in the next years, like there's going to be like, you don't want to invest in iron lungs, right?

Because I was checking out the stock price on that. And I don't know, Andrew, it's a buy. The problem is who's going to make the best iron lung. It's probably someone that's otherwise going to profit from all this shit. You're lucky Martin, dude. He's going to convert that little personal submarine that he was developing to rescue the cave kids into an iron lung. Oh my God. Can you imagine how shitty his iron lung is going to be?

Well, Andrew, such a pleasure having you, as always. Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? I don't know, man. Fucking you know, this is racist. I am on blue sky. So I guess there I've been doing very little blue sky Yeah, not for me Fucking social media. All right, that is gonna do it for us this Monday morning We are back tomorrow with a whole last episode of the show and we will talk to you all then. Bye

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