The Daily - An Outcry in Europe, a Shooting in Washington and a Blockade in Gaza

Episode Date: May 23, 2025

For the past week, an international outcry has been building, particularly in Europe, over Israel’s plans to escalate its military campaign in Gaza and over its two-month-long blockade, which has pu...t Gaza’s population on the brink of starvation.On Wednesday in Washington D.C., two Israeli Embassy staffers were shot and killed by a man who chanted “Free Palestine” afterward.Aaron Boxerman, who covers Israel and Gaza for The Times, explains the desperate situation in Gaza … and Israel’s fears that the world has become an increasingly dangerous place for its people.Guest: Aaron Boxerman, a reporter for The New York Times covering Israel and Gaza.Background reading: Britain, France and Canada have condemned Israel’s expansion into Gaza.Israel said it eased its blockade, but Gazans are still waiting for food.Here’s what we know about the deadly shooting outside the Jewish Museum in D.C.For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday.  Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

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Starting point is 00:01:12 And here's today's show. From the New York Times, I'm Rachel Abrams, and this is The Daily. For the past few weeks, international outcry has been building over Israel's plans to escalate its military campaign in Gaza and over its two-month-long blockade of the region, which has put Gaza's population on the brink of starvation. And then, on Wednesday, a man chanting, free Palestine, gunned down two employees of Israel's embassy in Washington, D.C. Today, Aaron Boxerman, a Times correspondent in Jerusalem,
Starting point is 00:01:52 on the desperate situation in Gaza and Israel's fears that the world has become an increasingly dangerous place for its people. It's Friday, May 23rd. Aaron, we're talking to you. I'm in New York. You're in Jerusalem. What time is it over there?
Starting point is 00:02:15 It's about 940 in the evening. Well, thank you so much for making the time so late at night to talk to us about this. Thanks for having me. We want to start this conversation with what happened here in the United States on Wednesday night in DC. So can you tell us a little bit about the events of the last 24 hours? So at around 9 p.m. on Wednesday night, there was a shooting in Washington, DC. It was right outside the Capitol Jewish Museum where a major American
Starting point is 00:02:45 Jewish organization, the American Jewish Committee, was having an event for young diplomats where they were focused on discussing aid to Gaza and the Middle East. Now according to the police, a shooter approached a number of people who had left the event. He pulled out a handgun and he opened fire, killing two of them. Both of them were employees of the Israeli embassy in Washington. One of them was named Yaron Lushinsky, who was 30 years old, and the other was Sarah Milgram, 26. The two of them were dating and Mr. Lushinsky, according to his family, had planned to propose
Starting point is 00:03:21 marriage during a trip to Israel next week. A lot of the details about the attack remain unclear. There's video of the alleged attacker shouting, free Palestine, at the scene as he's being detained. But it wasn't clear whether the shooter was targeting this event because it was at a Jewish museum, or because it was hosting Israeli embassy employees or for some other reason entirely. At this stage, we just don't know 100%. That being said, law enforcement officials are looking into this as a potential hate crime and an act of terror. These two young people who were killed, they were staff members at the Israeli embassy. And so I'm really curious what the reaction is inside Israel to their deaths.
Starting point is 00:04:12 So in Israel, people were really shocked. I mean, they viewed the idea that two people who work for the Israeli embassy might be targeted in the middle of Washington, DC.C. as absolutely shocking and horrifying. It was immediately condemned. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called it a horrific anti-Semitic murder, and many Israeli leaders turned their criticism outward. This is the direct result of toxic anti-Semitic incitement against Israel and Jews around the world that has been going on since the October 7th massacre.
Starting point is 00:04:53 In fact, at a news conference just after news of the shooting broke, Gideon Sarr, the Israeli foreign minister, actually accused Israel's critics abroad. This incitement is also done by leaders and officials of many countries and international organizations, especially from Europe. Particularly in Europe, where he said some international organizations and government officials had used words like genocide, crimes against humanity. Paved the way exactly for such murders. And Saar tried to draw a straight line between this criticism of Israel
Starting point is 00:05:32 and the horrible killing of the young couple. But this is really an enormously emotionally charged debate. In fact, some in Israel's opposition actually blamed Israeli government policies, which they said were fueling anti-Semitism around the world. But these criticisms of Israel are not new, right? Like leading human rights groups, including Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, the International Criminal Court, they've all accused Israel of human rights abuses
Starting point is 00:06:00 for months. And that's been an ongoing part of the condemnation of Israel's war in Gaza. So is there something specific that this foreign minister thinks has changed in all of this? Let's be clear. This is standard rhetoric from the foreign minister. There's been enormous international concern over the toll of the war in Gaza. According to Palestinian health officials in Gaza, more than 50,000 people have been killed since the beginning of the war. A lot of those concerns were voiced in private channels with Israeli officials. But over the past few weeks, and especially over the last week,
Starting point is 00:06:41 some of Israel's own traditional allies have dramatically ratcheted up their public condemnations of Israeli policies towards Gaza. And to understand that, you really have to understand the situation on the ground in Gaza right now. Rights groups have condemned the decision to block desperately needed food, fuel and medicine, accusing Israel of using starvation as a weapon of war. For more than two months, Israel barred the entry of all humanitarian aid into the Gaza Strip. That meant no food, no fuel, no medicine. A total blockade.
Starting point is 00:07:19 Right, exactly. And this caused widespread hunger and deprivation among Gazans who had already faced enormous struggles over the course of more than a year of devastating war. Day 51 of a complete blockade of aid-dependent Gazans. It's a desperate daily struggle to get some food as scarce supplies run out. As the blockade went on over the past two months, we started to hear reports that the situation was getting worse and worse. And that really led to a growing chorus of criticism that began to crescendo in early May. If the blockade persists, all 2.1 million Gazans would be at critical risk of famine, according to a UN-backed assessment.
Starting point is 00:08:06 A UN-backed panel of experts warned that there was a critical risk of famine due to the dwindling stockpiles of food inside the Gaza Strip. Israel is deliberately and unashamedly imposing inhumane conditions on civilians in the occupied Palestinian territory. UN officials began issuing war warnings about how dire the situation was becoming on the ground in Gaza. And in the middle of all this, Israel's prime minister, he made it clear today when he said, we are not done with the
Starting point is 00:08:36 war in Gaza. Israeli leaders begin starting a drumbeat of threats and warnings. The Israeli security cabinet has approved a plan to escalate the military campaign in the Gaza Strip. Which suggests that they are going to launch a major ground offensive in Gaza that could potentially upend everything in the Gaza Strip. And just by ground offensive, you mean a full-scale takeover of the Strip. That's what Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is talking about. And I think all of this together has really begun to cause a dramatic shift in the way that even Israel's traditional allies are talking about Israeli policy toward Gaza.
Starting point is 00:09:23 The leaders of Britain, France and Canada are threatening Israel with quote, concrete actions if it does not cease its renewed military offensive in Gaza and lift restrictions on humanitarian aid. So this week we saw Canada, Britain and France come out with some of the strongest condemnations of the Israeli blockade on humanitarian aid entering the Gaza Strip.
Starting point is 00:09:51 We also saw the new pope call for the immediate entry of humanitarian aid into Gaza and for the war to come to an end. We're looking at Gaza and we got to get that taken care of. We also recently saw President Trump discuss the dire humanitarian conditions in Gaza. A lot of people are starving. A lot of people are, there's a lot of bad things going on. Pro-Palestinian critics have argued that the shift has been mostly rhetorical. But Britain on Tuesday actually did announce that it was suspending further negotiations
Starting point is 00:10:23 on expanding its free trade agreement with Israel. And this was very clearly a protest against Israeli policies. Given the global condemnation of this blockade, Israel must have known that it would be controversial, right? Even among its allies. So I want to understand why did they put this blockade in place to begin with? What was the aim? Back in January, Israel and Hamas agreed on a ceasefire. The goal of the ceasefire was
Starting point is 00:10:52 ultimately to reach an end to the war and free the remaining Israeli and foreign hostages who were still held by Hamas in the Gaza Strip. The first part of the ceasefire is slated to last six weeks, which took Israel and Hamas all the way up to early March. At that point, both sides were deadlocked over the next steps in the truce. And this is when Israel applies that blockade on Gaza on all humanitarian aid entering the Gaza Strip in what Israeli officials called an attempt to pressure Hamas. Basically, their argument was negotiations over freeing the remaining hostages that Hamas is still holding in Gaza have reached a dead end and we're going to use every tool at our
Starting point is 00:11:38 disposal to pressure Hamas to come to the table. Israel also argues that a lot of the humanitarian aid that goes into Gaza is exploited by Hamas, that Hamas either diverts it or takes control of it, stores it for its own purposes or makes money off of it. So from Israel's perspective, this was a key sort of pressure point where they could make their opponents feel the pain. And then two weeks after that blockade begins, Israel resumes attacking Hamas in Gaza, ending the ceasefire.
Starting point is 00:12:13 LORI GAUDETTE And all of this, of course, becomes much worse. Can you just talk a little bit about the changes you've seen? AARON MATE So Gazans who we speak to have talked about street markets that have relatively little food to offer and whatever they do have is at unattainable prices. People scrounging whatever they can from canned food or surviving from basically communal soup kitchens. But even those have also increasingly struggled
Starting point is 00:12:42 to keep up their operations as the stockpiles of food in Gaza have dwindled. So a lot of people have lost a lot of weight. Doctors in the enclave say that it's starting to affect people's health. And my colleague, Erika Salman, actually spoke to Dr. Ahmed Al-Farrab, a pediatrician in Gaza. There's been many times since this war began where we've been hearing about concerns about malnourishment and famine.
Starting point is 00:13:13 Is there anything different about this time for you? Yes. Yes. Really, really we are talking about the most serious degree of malnutrition. who told her that some people are dying of diseases simply because they're so malnourished. When there's widespread hunger, it's not necessarily that people are going to die of starvation or wasting away, but that their body's immune system might simply become too weak to fight off diseases that they might otherwise be able to fend off. When I talk with my friends and colleagues who are living in America and Germany. He even said that they're seeing some cases in Gaza that are so extreme.
Starting point is 00:14:09 When I talk to them that I have a case of severe rickets with Harrison's sulcus, with a malformed chest due to severe vitamin D deficiency, they asked me, please, please, that his colleagues abroad are asking him to send photos. These are cases that they might have studied in theory, but they don't really see them these days out in the world with modern medicine and advanced healthcare. I mean, they're basically saying we've only ever seen these conditions in textbooks. I wonder, as these conditions have gotten worse and worse and the blockade has been ongoing, what does Israel say about it? Like do they acknowledge the situation or how they responded?
Starting point is 00:15:03 For the first several weeks, Israeli officials took a very clear stance. They said that more than enough supplies had entered Gaza during the ceasefire to provision Gaza for months, at least for a very, very long time. And that the blockade was not causing widespread suffering to ordinary Palestinian civilians living in Gaza. But as the blockade wore on, weeks and weeks later, some Israeli military officers privately began to change that assessment. My colleagues Natan Odenheimer and Ronan Bergman reported that these officers had found that unless Israel
Starting point is 00:15:46 changed its policy and soon that Palestinians in Gaza could face widespread starvation. Finally, on Sunday evening, the Israeli government announced that in order to prevent starvation, they were going to allow some amount of food into the Gaza Strip. So we've started to see some aid trickle in over the past few days. But now everybody is watching and waiting to see what happens next. That is to say, but everyone's still left with this big question. And we still don't know the answer. Is Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu actually going to follow through on the massive military
Starting point is 00:16:35 operation in Gaza that Israeli leaders have been threatening for weeks? We'll be right back. Aaron, this massive military operation that Netanyahu has basically been threatening, this takeover of Gaza, what would that actually look like? Well, it's not 100% clear, but what we know is that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other leaders in his government have been threatening a massive military offensive against Hamas in Gaza for weeks now. When Netanyahu gets up and describes his plans for Gaza to the Israeli public, he talks about
Starting point is 00:17:29 full security control of the Gaza Strip after a massive ground maneuver of Israeli forces throughout the enclave. Netanyahu has said that this would be a decisive blow to Hamas and that this could finally end more than a year and a half in which Hamas has really fought a dogged war of attrition in the face of a devastating Israeli military campaign. This time Netanyahu says the Israeli military would seize control of large chunks of the Gaza Strip. They would basically capture them and stay
Starting point is 00:18:05 there instead of going in and withdrawing as they often did during the war. As part of this offensive, at least according to the declared plan, many Palestinian civilians would be displaced to southern Gaza. And at the end of the operation, Netanyahu has promised the public, Israel would effectively have complete security control of the Gaza Strip. That seems to be, that last thing you said seems to be the key difference here, the complete control as opposed to the heavy bombardment, the fighting, etc. Exactly. But even though the Israeli military has already formally announced the start of the operation, you know, Israeli forces on the ground have not actually moved that much
Starting point is 00:18:51 farther. We haven't seen them sweep through major Palestinian cities like Khenunis and Gaza City the way that they did during the first year of the war. I mean, that's kind of my question, why they haven't already swept in. Because if that is what their stated goal is, it doesn't really seem like there's much stopping them, right? If Israel really wants to do this, and let's assume for a moment that this is what they want
Starting point is 00:19:17 to do, despite the potential cost for Israelis and Palestinians alike, there are still a number of factors that I think are giving them pause. One of them is definitely the hostages. So around 20 of the hostages in Gaza are still believed to be alive. There are the bodies of more than 30 others that are presumed dead, but there is absolutely a fear in Israel that a massive military campaign in Gaza could significantly endanger or kill the remaining hostages that are still alive.
Starting point is 00:19:59 Another factor is Netanyahu himself. Netanyahu is described by his biographers and people who know him well as somebody who's fundamentally very cautious and sort of a political chameleon. Throughout the war, he's really refrained from making any big strategic decision about the future of Gaza, about what would be in the enclave in the so-called day after the war ends. This contrasts rather sharply with some of his coalition partners who are much more committed to permanent Israeli rule in Gaza and to building Jewish settlements in Gaza.
Starting point is 00:20:38 Netanyahu is much harder to pin down. And so far, he appears to have successfully avoided having to make that big decision about what the future of Gaza should be. Or seen another way, the stated goal of occupying Gaza may just be more important to the coalition keeping him in power than to Netanyahu, potentially. Exactly. And I think a third factor that could be a potential check on Israel launching this massive offensive is the state of the military. Israel's military has been fighting for more than a year and a half nonstop.
Starting point is 00:21:15 And the country's own security establishment is anxious about the feasibility of a protracted campaign in the Gaza Strip. And why are they worried about that? There's a number of concerns that they have. Israel is already engaged in, I mean, really the longest, most intense war of its history in Gaza, far outstripping the Yom Kippur War in 1973 or the Six-Day War in 1967. The war has really taxed Israel's capacities in many ways, and particularly its soldiers. In recent weeks, we've started to see a real shift in Israeli public opinion. If in the early days, right after the Hamas attack on October 7th, the Israeli public
Starting point is 00:22:01 was almost totally unified behind the campaign in Gaza. The question is now much more fraught. We've seen opinion polls that show that a majority of Israelis support a deal that would free the hostages in exchange for ending the war. And I think there is also a growing sense among Israelis of, you know, how long can this really last? Does this war really still have a purpose or has it lost its way? I interviewed one reservist who described how he couldn't shake the feeling that Israel was sinking into the sands of
Starting point is 00:22:39 Gaza, that it was sort of having its own Vietnam moment in the sense that the United States to continue to fight the war in Vietnam well after many had concluded that the war fundamentally could not be won. At least some people have said that they no longer want to participate in the war because they feel that it no longer serves a purpose or because they've been worn down by hundreds of days of reserve duty. I think that says a lot about how it raises a yellow card to Israel's ability to continue fighting indefinitely. You know, one thing I didn't hear you talk about in terms of why Israel might be hesitating
Starting point is 00:23:25 or why Netanyahu might be hesitating is humanitarian concerns. The concerns raised by all the people that we've been talking about this whole conversation. How much does Israel actually care about those concerns? So I think Israel does care about these concerns. At the end of the day, Israel is not a superpower. It relies on its allies. It needs diplomatic backing from the rest of the world. It relies extensively on the United States, its biggest patron.
Starting point is 00:24:01 And for all of the bravado and bluster that we hear from Israeli leaders, I think, you know, they do recognize that they have to sometimes make concessions in the face of diplomatic pressure from abroad. So for example, Netanyahu, when he was justifying the decision to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza to his base, who had sort of criticized him from the right. He said from a diplomatic perspective, not just practically in terms of the situation in Gaza, but also diplomatically, we can't allow things in Gaza to become catastrophic. We can't allow there to be starvation in Gaza.
Starting point is 00:24:42 And on one level you have rhetoric and then on another level there's there's realpolitik and there's interests. And Netanyahu had to sort of walk a fine line between these different competing interests, both inside Israel and inside his own coalition, inside his own security establishment, and then also among his allies abroad. Erin, since we've been talking, the more details have emerged about the shooter. He's been charged with murder and that he told police that he quote unquote did it for Gaza. And it makes me wonder how many people in Israel are looking at the shooting and thinking the world hates us and there could be more of this?
Starting point is 00:25:25 Or are people thinking this is exactly how we suspected people felt about us all along and that's why we need to keep fighting? So some officials have made exactly the latter argument. And that's what Netanyahu was saying. On Thursday night in Israel, he made a statement where he invoked the horrific shooting before pivoting to how Israel couldn't accept an end to the war before Hamas is total defeat. And on the other hand, you also have some people on the left who look at this incident
Starting point is 00:25:58 and they draw a totally different conclusion. From their perspective, it wasn't criticism of the war, which was making the world less safe for Jews and for Israelis. It's just the war, which has had a horrible toll and whose end, as far as all of us can tell, is still nowhere to be seen. Erin, thank you so much. Thank you, Rachel. We'll be right back. Here's what else you need to know today. On Thursday, the Trump administration said it would halt Harvard's ability to enroll
Starting point is 00:27:07 international students. Because those students represent a quarter of the university's student body, the move could strip Harvard of a crucial source of revenue. It's the Trump administration's latest attempt to strong-arm Harvard into falling in line with its agenda. But the university is likely to challenge that decision in court. And... On this vote, the yeas are 215, the nays are 214,
Starting point is 00:27:32 with one answering present. The bill is passed. After weeks of intense and at times heated negotiations, Republicans in the House of Representatives narrowly passed a wide-ranging bill to deliver President Trump's domestic agenda. After a long week and a long night and countless hours of work over the past year, a lot of prayer and a lot of teamwork, my friends it quite literally is again, morning in America, isn't it? Alright.
Starting point is 00:28:02 The legislation, which now heads to the Senate, would slash taxes, steer more money to the military and border security, and pay for some of the costs with cuts to Medicaid, food assistance, education, and clean energy programs. Democrats, who uniformly opposed the bill, accused Republicans of voting to gut vital government programs to pay for tax breaks to the rich. With this backstabbing billionaire bill, House Republicans are selling their soul and constituents to the highest bidder, Donald Trump. Today's episode was produced by Rachelle Bonge, Claire Tennesketter and Muge Sadie.
Starting point is 00:28:39 It was edited by Maria Byrne and M.J. Davis-Lynn with help from Mike Benoit, contains original music by Marianne Lozano and Pat McCusker, and was engineered by Chris Wood. Our theme music is by Jim Brunberg and Ben Landsberg of Wonderly. Special thanks to Erica Solomon. That's it for The Daily. I'm Rachel Abrams.
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