The Daily - Day X, Part 4: Franco A.

Episode Date: June 18, 2021

We meet Franco A., an officer in the German military who lived a double life as a Syrian refugee and stands accused of plotting an act of terrorism to bring down the German government. ...

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Today, episode four of our series, Day X. Day X. Tell me where we are. So we're in the center of Frankfurt, just across the street from the courthouse where Franco A. is going to be tried today. Franco A. He's accused of stockpiling weapons and planning significant acts of violence. Attacks against prominent politicians while posing as a Syrian refugee... The case of Franco A is one that has gripped and perplexed the nation for the best part of four years. And he went on trial today on suspicion of planning to carry out several terror attacks. There he is.
Starting point is 00:01:02 The terror trial against Bundeswehrier Franco A. begonnen. Wenn er verurteilt ist, kann er bis zu zehn Jahre in Gefängnis stehen. The trial of Franco A. started in May 2021. He's the only person from a nationwide far-right network standing trial for plotting terrorism. Only a limited number of reporters are allowed in. And no one can record the proceedings. But long before Franco A. ever walked into the courtroom, he talked to me. From the New York Times, I'm Katrin Benhold. This is Day X.
Starting point is 00:02:14 Over the course of a year, I interviewed Franco several times, along with producers Lindsay Garrison, Claire Tennisgetter and Caitlin Roberts. along with producers Lindsay Garrison, Claire Tennisgetter and Caitlin Roberts. We agreed to meet at his apartment in Offenbach, a city just outside of Frankfurt, where he was awaiting trial. And each time, we'd set up on either side of his dining room table. Franco claimed he wanted to give us what he called the full picture. And yet, in our interviews, he was often evasive and dodged questions about his case. As we've reported out this story, we've wrestled with whether to air our interviews with Franco at all.
Starting point is 00:03:08 But Franco is the first active duty soldier in Germany to stand trial for plotting terrorism since World War II. At least as far as anyone I've talked to remembers. And given the danger of far-right infiltration, not just in Germany, but around the world, we wanted to show what the threat of the far right can look like today. Frank was 32 years old. He wears a ponytail and a vest. He's well-spoken and is fluent in English and French. He's got a gigantic bookshelf in his living room with the Bible, the Quran, and a copy of the German constitution. He kind of looks like an art student, and he claims he doesn't have any far-right views. But the evidence I've obtained over the past year paints a very different picture.
Starting point is 00:04:03 In voice memos that police found on his phone, Franco praises Hitler. He argues that immigration has ruined Germany's ethnic purity. And he advocates for destroying the state. He stole ammunition and explosives from the military and he stashed them in his basement. And of course, there's that loaded gun he hid in the bathroom at the Vienna airport, which was one of the first things that I asked him about.
Starting point is 00:04:32 Something happened. Yeah, something happened, exactly. What do you know what happened? You've said that you found a gun. Yeah. What happened? Yes. Or is that not true?
Starting point is 00:04:51 Do you think it's credible? Do you think it's true? Why don't you tell the story first and then let's talk about whether it's credible. Still it's... This is your version. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:06 Yeah. So we go there. We have been drinking. Well, no, no, no. I'm mixing up things now. We met together at these nice cafes that are in Vienna. Franco claimed he found the gun one night when he was out drinking with friends in Vienna. I needed to relieve myself, you say that? Franco claimed he found the gun one night when he was out drinking with friends in Vienna.
Starting point is 00:05:31 He said he peeled off from the group to pee in some bushes on the side of the street. And there it was, on the ground. So he said he put it in his coat pocket. And then he said he forgot about it. He told me he only remembered it in the security line at the airport the next day
Starting point is 00:05:48 and then hid it in a panic. He said he only went back to retrieve it so he could turn it into the police. And by his own admission,
Starting point is 00:06:00 the thing is, it doesn't seem to be credible at all. It's not a credible story. I'm aware of that. Prosecutors believe he'd bought the gun several months earlier in Paris. It's a vintage French handgun. It was the pistol of choice of German officers during the Nazi occupation of France.
Starting point is 00:06:26 It was unregistered and couldn't be traced. They also say he was in illegal possession of several other weapons, including a G3 combat rifle, which still hasn't been found. Where are the guns? I don't know. Well, whatever guns are. I cannot answer your question now. He was cagey.
Starting point is 00:07:01 He claimed that if he ever did have weapons, it was only to be able to protect his family in a crisis situation. Like, did you hide them somewhere? I have no weapon. I have no ammunition. I have nothing. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. He has since admitted in court that he in fact did have these guns. He said he got rid of them, but he refused to tell the judges where the guns
Starting point is 00:07:28 are now. Prosecutors believe that Franco wanted to use them to kill. And they have evidence that they say points to several possible targets. There was this thing with Claudia Roth where they started accusing me of having planned a terror plot against politicians.
Starting point is 00:07:51 They have handwritten notes about Claudia Roth, a member of the Green Party and one of the vice presidents of the German parliament. It was like a pocket calendar where I wrote about, where I really mentioned the name Xoliot. I couldn't even remember it. What did you write about her? When I asked Franco about these notes. Well, it was something like, I had learned about her. He repeated some disinformation about her that's popular in far-right circles. about her that's popular in far-right circles. She had identified with a saying that goes,
Starting point is 00:08:30 Germany never again, or Germany die, you dirty piece of excrements. And for a politician who was serving German interests, I couldn't understand that. And at that point, when I read that, I got angry about this. And I wrote down her name. Claudia Hess said, never again, as in never again Auschwitz. But she didn't say, Germany die. So and then they took it as some kind of like an intention of doing whatever harmful action against her, which is not the case at all.
Starting point is 00:09:07 I recently learned that in this pocket calendar, where Franco wrote down Claudia's name, he also wrote, people like you suck our people dry. You have to pay. And locate where she is. And locate where she is. I also asked Franco about the Jewish activist, Annetta Kahane. And the fact that in the summer of 2016, Franco visited the parking garage of her office. One reason why Annetta Kahane comes up a lot is that you were actually in her parking garage taking pictures. The thing is that about this point, because it's a very sensitive point, actually, I would love to talk about this freely. But because there is nothing,
Starting point is 00:09:55 there's absolutely just nothing. But could you say why you went? Just why? If ever I went, I never said that I went. But I think people know that you were there because you took pictures and your phone was taken. Yeah, there were pictures on my phone, but then this doesn't prove that I was there in some way. That's the situation. Yeah. So... So you're disputing that you were there? I just don't talk about it. Yeah. I can just... If I talk about this, I can just talk about it in I can just, if I talk about this, I can just talk about it in hypothetical terms, then this person would have gone there, and this day probably the person wouldn't have been there, otherwise he would have talked to her, maybe there were some workers who were there.
Starting point is 00:10:40 Franco said that hypothetically he just wanted to talk to Annetta. And then he launched into another kind of defense. Even if this was true, which it is not, definitely not, then it would be, if ever, at worst, it would be the preparation of an assassination. Where is the state endangering? This person is not even a politician. How can this be terrorism? This must then be just a murder or a prepared murder.
Starting point is 00:11:13 He claimed that planning to kill or even killing Annetta shouldn't constitute an act of terrorism. You can prepare as many and as much and as long murders as you want. They cannot give you a trail for this. But the law is very clear on this point. Killing or planning to kill Annetta would constitute an act of terrorism
Starting point is 00:11:33 if it's inspired by a larger political aim. And prosecutors say Franco had that aim. What did you want to talk to her about? What did you want to ask her? We cannot talk about this. I can only talk in conjunctive, if ever. What might you have asked her if you had gone there? For instance, what does she mean when she says that
Starting point is 00:12:15 For instance, what does she mean when she says that this is a bankruptcy of the eastern regions of Germany, that there are not enough black minorities? Franco referred to an interview in 2015 where Annetta agreed with the idea that eastern states should take in more of the refugees that were coming into Germany at the time. She said eastern regions were struggling because the population was shrinking and they would benefit from immigration. What's wrong with a country or with a part of a country that is where there are white people living? where there are white people living. The idea of a diversifying Germany came up often in our interviews. I welcome in my country anybody who has a different culture. And while Franco claimed he didn't believe in racial hierarchy, he also said things like... In the whole world you have migration for a thousand years.
Starting point is 00:13:05 Everyone will look the same and everything will be the same. Mixing races and cultures will eventually erase them. This is not diversity. This is a loss in diversity. That's obvious. It's in these moments that Franco revealed himself as part of a larger phenomenon among the far right. They call themselves the new right. Instead of skinheads and swastika tattoos, they often look more like Franco with his ponytail and vest.
Starting point is 00:13:38 Instead of screaming out racial slurs at rallies, they speak with an intellectual veneer, calling themselves ethno-pluralists. They use terms like the great replacement and re-migration, and they talk about culture more often than race. It's all part of what intelligence officials say is a deliberate rebranding, is a deliberate rebranding, an attempt to make racism acceptable to the mainstream. But when you break it down, it's essentially the same ideology that was promoted by the Nazis.
Starting point is 00:14:27 Franco's ideology is a central part of the case against him. And that's where the voice memos that the police found on his phone come in. They're kind of like an audio diary, recorded when Franco thought no one would ever hear them. I actually obtained the transcripts of them. They're mostly from 2015 and 2016, when over a million refugees were coming into Germany. I asked him about them. There is one on March 7th, 2015. You were talking about how, you know, Americans were pushing race mixing, they're controlled by Jews. And finally, Hitler is above all things, above everything you say. Hitler was a creator of honest work. Everything that makes Hitler bad is a lie.
Starting point is 00:15:09 How do you explain this? So you must know that it was like in a joking mode. In these memos, Franco describes a global Jewish conspiracy to weaken white European nations. This is what you're saying. America controlled by the Jews wants to bring everything under a world order. No, it's not Jews. Well, you do say that here.
Starting point is 00:15:29 Okay, we come to that. And that world leaders like Chancellor Angela Merkel are in on the plot. And you call this a war. Well, a war between what we saw, between this globalizing. Well, no, we go too far. And as in any other war war he suggests violence is justified
Starting point is 00:15:49 you do talk about you know violence is an option it has to be an option yeah because where these criminals are today they are only there because they've murdered time and time again so let's not hesitate not to murder but to kill in other So let's not hesitate not to murder, but to kill. In other words, let's not hesitate to kill. So you are saying we are in a situation of war and confrontation. In one of the memos, he calls out to the French, the British, the Americans, the Italians, the Swedes, the Poles, the Russians, to stand against the enemy. You say that we have to do this, we
Starting point is 00:16:26 have the God-given right and the constitutional right to do this. You end with, all together now the time has come. He says, all together now the time has come. Don't talk about my views, please. The thoughts that I once had, that I might have in the future, that I have now, are not even necessarily point of views. It's just all work in progress and everything evolves. In the end, Franco explained these voice memos by saying they were supposed to be private and he was just working through ideas. They're not views, he claimed.
Starting point is 00:17:06 Just thoughts. It's for the judges, hearing Franco's case, to decide whether these thoughts were going to lead to something violent. But I'm left wondering, where did these thoughts begin? And how did someone with this mindset rise through the ranks in the military, in Germany of all places? Why didn't anyone stop him? I'm sorry. Was ist das, wo Sie geboren sind? Hat der Fahrer schon mal in Offenbach gewesen?
Starting point is 00:18:17 Hat er das hier gesehen? Waren Sie schon mal in Offenbach? Ja, ne? Ja, ich kenne Offenbach. Wie ist denn Offenbach? Kleine Stadt. Viele Ausländer. Kleine Stadt. Offenbach? Small city, a lot of foreigners he says. In all of Germany there are a lot of foreigners, he says. But particularly here. In the course of reporting this story, I spend a lot of time in Franco's hometown.
Starting point is 00:18:55 Offenbach. It's an old, working-class city, just outside of Frankfurt. Well, you can see it's quite diverse, yeah. We are a bit of everything. And it's one of the most diverse cities in Germany. You can see the whole life in our city. Immigrants and their children have long been the majority here. When Franco grew up here in the 90s,
Starting point is 00:19:19 he went to school with a lot of kids who had an immigrant background. Franco's own father came from Italy. Years later, Franco would describe the program that brought his dad to Germany as a deliberate plot to mix races. He said he himself was a product of this perverse racial hatred. But people he went to school with didn't see any of that coming. I called several of his old classmates and teachers. You would never have the idea of him being right-winged at all.
Starting point is 00:19:53 And most of them were shocked when Franco appeared in the news back in 2017. I was a teacher in the Schiller School since 1988. One of his teachers remembers him particularly well. His name is Peter. He taught Franco for three years in middle school. Peter was part of a generation of teachers who had come of age after the 1968 student movement. When young people asked their parents, how was Auschwitz possible?
Starting point is 00:20:32 He would often bring Auschwitz survivors into his class to tell their stories. It's one of the ways Germany has tried to prevent Nazi ideology from ever taking hold again, by teaching that history with brutal honesty and in forensic detail. Peter said Franco was a good student. And what stood out to him was Franco's willingness to question everything.
Starting point is 00:20:59 So how did someone from such a diverse city and tolerant city like Offenbach and a school like the Schiller School, how did someone like that become radicalized? As far as how Franco came to hold far-right views, Peter says he doesn't understand. But he wonders. If maybe it started with his grandfather, who he said was close to Franco. Franco's grandfather died in 2005, but I was able to find out a few things about him.
Starting point is 00:21:52 He was a member of the Nazi party. I found his membership card at the National Archives. He joined in 1939. I also visited his grave. There it is. And carved into the stone were Norse runes that were popular among the SS, the Nazi Party's elite forces. When I spoke to Franco's mom, she told me that her father and Franco had been close. They all lived in the same apartment building, and Franco's own father left when he was young.
Starting point is 00:22:24 same apartment building, and Franco's own father left when he was young. I asked her about the copy of Mein Kampf police found when they were investigating Franco, and she said it originally belonged to her father. Franco denies that his grandfather was a big part of his life, but he acknowledges that they'd spent time together and that his grandfather would tell him stories about his adventures in the war. In one voice memo from 2015, Franco recounts standing by his grandfather's grave and thanking him for his guidance.
Starting point is 00:23:01 I don't know for sure what influence his grandfather had on Franco. But the shadow of German history is long. And the way it's embedded in so many German families, it can lay dormant for a generation and then come alive again. Whatever said Franco on his far-right course, it was early. He was only 17 when, in the privacy of his diary, he began contemplating different ways to change the course of German history.
Starting point is 00:23:42 He wrote, that would be followed by a military coup. All historically significant leaders made their way to the top with the help of the military. For example, Napoleon Bonaparte, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, Adolf Hitler, and to a certain extent, Alexander the Great. Franco showed me this diary entry. He said these were just the musings of an immature teenager.
Starting point is 00:24:43 But a couple of years after he wrote that, in 2008, Franco joined the German military. It's a military unlike any other in the world. After the war, the Allies banned Germany from having a military altogether. But ten years later, as the Cold War was heating up, it was resurrected and instilled with new core principles. Traditions and symbols from the Nazi era, like swastikas and runes, were taboo. Soldiers were required to swear an oath on the new democratic constitution. And they were taught not to blindly follow orders, but to follow a moral compass defined by the Constitution.
Starting point is 00:25:28 This became known as inner guidance. They weren't just soldiers. They were citizens in uniform. Franco excelled in the military. He was quickly selected as one of only a handful of German officer cadets to attend the prestigious Saint-Cyr Military Academy. It's like the West Point of France. Franco spent five years abroad, and as part of his military training,
Starting point is 00:26:03 he also attended some of Europe's best universities. He started studying things like nationalism and world politics and he told me he wasn't satisfied with conventional explanations for things like 9-11 and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. So he decided to go and search for answers himself, sometimes online. At the end of 2013, he submitted a master's thesis titled Political Change and Strategy of Subversion, in which he publicly laid out his far-right worldview for the first time.
Starting point is 00:26:48 I have a copy of it. In his thesis, Franco writes about powerful elites who are secretly acting to weaken society in order to maximize their control. He points to big sweeps of migration as one of the ways they do that. He points to big sweeps of migration as one of the ways they do that. He writes that the downfall of great civilizations has always been the dilution of racial purity. That migration was a form of genocide. And that Europe and the West were next in line if they didn't defend themselves. The French commander of the military academy was appalled. He immediately flagged it to Franco's German superiors. He told them that if this was
Starting point is 00:27:33 a French participant, we would remove him. The German military commissioned an historian to review the thesis. After three days, he concluded that the thesis was not an academic qualification paper, but a radical nationalist racist appeal. Franco was summoned for questioning by a military attorney who told him that his thesis was not compatible with the German constitution. Franco defended himself by saying that as the second best student in his class, he felt pressure to create something great. And in the end, the military attorney came to the conclusion
Starting point is 00:28:17 that Franco had become a victim of his own intellectual abilities. No one informed the office that's in charge of monitoring extremism in the German military. Franco was allowed to submit a new thesis. And by the time he returned to Germany, it was as if nothing had happened. His superior in Dresden described him as a model German soldier.
Starting point is 00:28:49 A citizen in uniform. A few months later, in 2015, Chancellor Angela Merkel announced that Germany would take in hundreds of thousands of refugees who had come to Europe from Syria and Afghanistan. It's around this time that Frank would join a chat network run by a special forces soldier who had the nickname Hannibal. And in this network, he found other soldiers and police officers with far-right views. They were preparing for civil unrest, for the breakdown of social order, for something they called Day X.
Starting point is 00:29:53 Franco was preparing too. He showed us his prepper cellar. The same place he had stashed stolen ammunition and explosives. And this is where actually this book Mein Kampf was. And his grandfather's copy of Mein Kampf. And these are these cowboy matches. We saw stockpiles of food and medicines. Machetes, I have them here.
Starting point is 00:30:17 And a machete he'd strategically hidden. Ammo for the air gun. So you can't kill people with that? No, well, maybe... No, actually not. The particular branch of Hannibal's network that Franco belonged to, the southern branch, that actually written out a plan for day X.
Starting point is 00:30:37 It says the plan would be activated 12 hours after the national cell phone network goes down, or four hours after the people who run the network had declared a state of emergency. It gives precise geocoordinates for a place to gather. And the idea was to take people from there to a safe house. What the plan called a group hideout. Then you can use it as a radio. It also lists a radio frequency to communicate on. And to distinguish between friends and enemies, group members were given a coat and told to wear a special patch.
Starting point is 00:31:15 The police later found one of these patches at Franco's house. But prosecutors argue that Franco wasn't just preparing for a crisis. He wanted to trigger one. In December 2015, as Germany's immigration office was totally overwhelmed with the influx of refugees, Franco disguised himself. He put shoe polish in his beard and his mother's makeup on his face and hands. In broken English, he told a police officer in his hometown
Starting point is 00:32:01 that he had fled the war in Syria and lost his papers along the way. He was photographed and fingerprinted. Soon after, he qualified for benefits and housing, and eventually was granted the status to live and work in Germany. He had created an entirely new identity for himself. And as he was living this double life, splitting his time between the military base
Starting point is 00:32:34 and the housing he'd been given as a refugee, none of Franco's military superiors reported any suspicious behavior. Instead, he was being considered for a promotion to platoon leader. Prosecutors believe Franco was planning an attack that was meant to be blamed on his fake refugee identity and create a national backlash against immigrants.
Starting point is 00:33:04 Franco told me the whole fake refugee stunt was an undercover investigation of Chancellor Merkel's migration policy. He said he'd planned to publish a report. He never did. But it's actually become his main line of defense in court. What his lawyers have argued is that Chancellor Merkel's immigration policy endangered national security. Franco gave me this argument too. He said that, as a soldier who swore an oath to protect the Constitution,
Starting point is 00:33:45 he was doing what he was trained to do. This is what we are supposed to do as officers. This is why we are officers. And following his inner guidance. Yeah, in order to keep the standards high. Franco argued that he was protecting the state. You know, I think one of the sentences that stand out the most... But in his voice memos, he advocates for destroying it.
Starting point is 00:34:12 The state... And this is, you know, everybody who contributes to destroy this construct of a state does something good. I mean, that's a call to arms. Laws are null and void. I mean, how is that defending the Constitution? When I asked him about this, he had no answer. This is what infiltration looks like. People in uniform who say they're defending their country
Starting point is 00:35:11 and at the same time they see themselves at war with the very values they're supposed to protect. Whatever the outcome of Franco's trial, it represents something much bigger than the terrorism case against him. Because while his case is exceptional, some of his views aren't. Oh, there we are. I think that's it. In the months leading up to Franco's trial,
Starting point is 00:35:46 I finally got some answers about how serious the threat of far-right infiltration really is. Oh, they're already waiting for us. Look at that, they're going to shut us off immediately. Okay. Hello. Hello, we have to close this, right? Yes, exactly.
Starting point is 00:36:03 Okay. Michael Benoit and Katrin Benhold. Additional reporting by Chris Schutze. Engineered by Dan Powell. Original music by Hauschka and by Dan Powell. Research and fact-checking by Caitlin Love. To hear more, search for DayX wherever you listen to podcasts, and hit subscribe. Special thanks to Julia Simon, Tanev Schultz, Jörg Ekternkamp, Miro Dietrich, Michael Slackman, Jim Yardley, Kirk Kroehler, Sam Dolnik, Matt Purdy, and Cliff Levy. Here's what else you need to know today.
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