The Daily - On the Front Line of Minnesota’s Fight With ICE
Episode Date: January 21, 2026For weeks, protests around Minneapolis have caught nationwide attention as the city shows open defiance to a federal immigration crackdown.But behind the scenes, a quieter organized resistance has tak...en shape.Anna Foley and Michael Simon Johnson, producers for “The “Daily,” go on the ground in Minneapolis to capture that effort, and Charles Homans, a New York Times reporter, explains why the city has become ground zero in the fight over the government’s deportation strategy.Guest: Charles Homans, a reporter for The New York Times and The Times Magazine, covering national politics.Background reading: In Minneapolis, an intense cat-and-mouse game is putting enraged residents face to face with heavily armed federal agents.President Trump’s fight with Minnesota is about more than immigration.Photo: Jamie Kelter Davis for The New York TimesFor more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.
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From the New York Times, I'm Rachel Abrams, and this is the Daily.
For weeks, protests around Minneapolis have caught nationwide attention,
as the city shows open defiance to a federal immigration crackdown.
But behind the scenes, a quieter, organized resistance has taken shape.
Today, our producers Anna Foley and Michael Simon Johnson,
go on the ground in Minneapolis to capture that effort.
And our colleague Charles Hohman explains why the city has become ground zero
in the fight over the government's deportation strategy.
It's Wednesday, January 21st.
This is Michael Simon Johnson.
I'm here with New York Times reporter Charlie Hulmans.
And we are, what neighborhood are we in, actually?
So this is the Lynn Lake area of Minneapolis.
We're in South Minneapolis,
and it's named after this intersection that we're standing at, actually,
which is Lindale Avenue and Lake Street.
It's kind of the place where sort of the recent waves of immigrants
and settled refugees and the Minneapolis
of the kind of white liberal urban culture intersect.
And those groups have been brought together
in an interesting way by this ice crack down in the city.
I mean, the thing that's different about Minneapolis
compared to Chicago or Los Angeles or other cities
that have been targets of this crackdown so far,
is that it's a very small city.
It doesn't have that many people in it.
And the number of federal agents that have been sent here
is really quite huge.
And what I've been hearing, just talking to people here,
is that, you know, in the last few weeks,
you know, people who are potential targets of these raids
have really felt like they can't leave their homes at all.
And so that has kind of become a focus of the organizing
of a lot of these local,
organizations and businesses, which are kind of gathering donations.
So we're about to go to one of these places.
Tell me about what this place is and then what its role is in this kind of network that you're talking about.
Sure. So we're going to go to Smitten Kitten, which is a sex shop on Lindale here.
And it's been playing a very interesting role kind of what's been happening here lately.
Okay. Well, let's go inside.
So I'm Ann. I work here at the Smitten Kitten for the past two years.
During the regular day, we are an adult store.
We really focus on trying to give people, like, accurate information about sex education.
We also have stuff for, like, every gender ever.
Well, it is very striking that this is, like, a sex shop, a really nice one, beautifully laid out,
but also at the front there's this...
Mutual aid.
Mutual aid.
Yeah, we're always doing mutual aid, but we just expanded it and imploded ourselves with mutual
ourselves with mutual aid, basically.
Well, let's go down the stairs.
Yeah, sweet.
I'm now walking past the sci-fi fantasy dildo section.
This is a lot.
Yeah.
It was 11 boxes, which was kind of crazy.
Lots of boxes of diapers, lots of boxes of formula wipes.
Just so I have a sense.
How many people have come by today, for example, to pick up some?
Hundreds of people?
I was getting anxiety.
Probably a thousand people over the past couple of days.
But the goods are moving.
Like, you're not like...
We're not sitting on it.
It's got to go.
It is insane.
The volume and the urgency that we have been meeting people with.
They will be bringing their papers into the store.
They are afraid.
They are leaving their house to come here to get resources,
even though they are at risk for being picked up by ice.
And they're all wanting to prove to me the validity.
of that and I'm like I really don't care like you don't have to tell me because I know
that the next person behind you has the exact same story. It's like there's no time to notice
that there's a dildo on the wall because like your family is being torn apart.
That's what's in the store. I'm curiously what you think it says about sort of Minneapolis
right now that a shop like this is kind of on the front lines of the community response to the
situation. Sex workers and marginalized groups of people like that
will radicalize you. I really learned in the strip club that everyone agrees with the revolution.
We just don't all have the same language to talk about it. And I feel like we inspired a bunch of
other businesses to be in taking in donations and like distributing them to their neighbors. And I've
been telling people all day long, like the more spots that we can pop up with resources, the harder
time that ICE is going to have keeping track of where everyone is at because we've also had ICE
agents follow people from our spot. Wow, so they know. Yeah. What you're describing is a,
at least citywide, I don't know exactly what the right word is. I don't know if it's like a movement.
I don't know if it's a network. I don't know if it's like a change in. It's like a bunch of people
realizing like, oh, they're really not coming. Something that happened in 2020 was the first time I
realized like my neighbor's house is on fire and the fire department is not coming. So you better find a
garden hose. Like, why am I
Anne Lehman at the smitten kitten
doing more than Jacob Fry?
You feel like you're doing something that is far more actionable
is having like immediate direct. Yes. I think that's why our shit
blew up because they're like, oh, look at these people at the sex
shop. Why are they? Like, I can't believe. I'm just
some kid. I love Alvira. Like, I just watch horror movies
at home and listen to Beyonce.
So that same day, I went to the site where just a week earlier, an ICE officer had shot and killed a Minneapolis resident, Renee Good, in the city's south side.
I'm on the corner of Portland and 35th on one end of the block, and there is a sign on this tree that someone posted.
It says, visitor guide.
The block you are entering has become a space of mourning.
Remember, you are a guest in this neighborhood.
take a deep breath, drive slow, approach the space with reverence,
notify neighborhood leaders of suspicious activity.
There's a lot of flowers, a lot of flags, a lot of teddy bears.
There's a bunch of people that have made a fire.
The car just pulled up, like driving down the block, stopped,
asked if these people need more firewood for this fire, and dropped it off.
There were about a dozen people there.
Some people were staying for just a few minutes.
Others were lingering.
Why did you choose to come here?
today? To bear witness to what's happened. This is a city where people, there's a very strong
sense of community. There's a lot of political involvement. People look after their neighbors
and things like that. It's not a faceless city. I asked a woman who'd brought flowers of what she was
feeling. You have mixed emotions because you have just this heartbroken feeling for the
family because this did not have to happen. But then you have this hypervigilance and you're watching
every vehicle that has tinted windows and see, you know, it's like trying to pay your respects,
but also trying to watch out like, is somebody going to come up here and break us up?
Like today, our building, we have a cleaning lady and I gave her a ride home today because
I was like, do not stand at the bus stop today. It's not safe anymore. So,
That's so sad.
It's one of those things that it's if you want to help out in any way,
or if you need help, you know, all you have to do is ask.
But that's, I mean, that's what the Twin Cities is like.
As I was talking to people there,
I got the sense that residents were actively looking for ways to show up for each other.
I saw strangers bringing each other coffee,
giving each other nods, exchanging information.
There was one guy there named Nero,
who seemed like he was sort of the unofficial shepherd of the group.
He was tending to the fire and he was curating the space is what he said.
I've been hearing different anecdotes of people.
I mean, I know, you know, people have the whistles,
but also people dropping off mutual aid related packages at, like, local stores,
yeah, or specific places, people, you know, it seems like people are...
Protecting our neighbors.
Yeah, like kind of stepping up in a way.
It's like, it almost made me want to cry.
I feel proud and happy to talk about how people are pitching in,
and I'm sad and hurt because of why we have to.
We shouldn't have to, you know?
We shouldn't have to do this.
And it's, I don't know what it's going to take, man, but I'm here.
I'm in it. I'm here, and I'm going to be here.
Anna Foley here. I'm a producer on the Daily who also spent the weekend in Minneapolis.
Along with the networks of activists, mutual aid, and neighbors taking care of neighbors,
there are people avoiding ICE because they're afraid of getting detained or deported.
Immigrants afraid of being targeted.
I talked to one of them.
We're calling her M.
Can you tell me about the moment that you found out the ice was coming to the Twin Cities to Minneapolis?
Yeah, so it wasn't something that, like,
changed from like one day to another, I think it was like a slow trickle of, hey, ice was spotted over in Richfield. Everybody be careful. And then it was slowly and slowly more agents are spotted here and someone was taken. Avoid Lake Street. And then it snowballed. And then you're really noticing everybody's like, there's ice agents here.
In December, when ice really ramped up enforcement.
Em realized she needed to make some changes and take precautions.
I start to strategize, like, different routes to get to university, different routes to get to work.
And I ended up not going to the grocery anymore at all.
It's been a long time since I've been at the grocery, and I love a grocery.
Em actually can't be sure she's a target.
Her parents brought her to the U.S. when she was two.
She's a DACA recipient.
But that feels very tenuous to her right now.
Given how intense everything has been, she worries.
It was kind of looking at what is the busiest cross-sections.
Like, am I going to be going by a high school or am I going to be going by like a church?
I tend to avoid that area because you never know.
Are they going to set up by a daycare?
We have to consider that.
For a while, the plan was avoid risk, lay low.
But over time that changed.
She was watching the raids, the arrests, and then Renee Good was killed.
It kind of set something on fire for me.
The fear became like resentment and became anger.
I was at school and, you know, I was talking to my colleagues.
I was talking to, you know, fellow students.
And I realized that like these people have families, they're teachers.
They're taking risks.
people are putting their lives on the line
who have children
who are loved ones
you know the wives
you know husbands
and as soon as I
realize that like everybody's taking a risk
you might as well also take a risk
for your community
taking a risk
meant that instead of going out of her way
trying to avoid rennans with ice
she took routes where she knew she might see them
so she could alert activists
on a signal chat.
I would see suspicious vehicles
and I'd be like,
hey, there's a weird vehicle
at the gas station
at this cross section.
Just letting you guys know.
And, you know,
sometimes people ask of you
if you can, like, circle back.
And I was not able to.
I was very explicit.
I was like,
I could not turn around,
but here's the information.
And that felt okay.
I'm like, here you go.
Hope for the best.
Hope this helps.
The network M is alerting on signal
when she sees ice.
I got in touch.
with some of the people who are on the other end.
These civilian patrols
that have proliferated in cities like Minneapolis,
people showing up where ice is.
I asked them if I could ride along
to get a sense of what they're doing
and what that's like right now.
I met up with two of these activists,
Patty and Mitch, on Friday afternoon.
I came to their house
on a block with lots of cute bungalows.
They met me at the front door.
But they stopped me before I came inside.
Just out of an abundance of question,
would you mind verbally telling me
that you're not with ICBP or any government agency and then show me a press
curative?
Yeah, I'm not with ICE.
Here's my press credential.
Come on in.
If you want to take a look.
Yeah, I appreciate it.
Yeah, of course.
My name's Anna.
It's nice to meet you.
I'm Mitch.
I'm Patty.
Nice to meet you.
After a few minutes, we hopped into Mitch and Patty's car.
Mitch drove.
Patty was in the front, me, and back.
Patty had brought along a small notebook.
And before we left, they stopped to make sure they both had everything, especially their
whistles.
have an extra whistle.
Oh my gosh, thank you.
Yeah.
How often do you guys use your whistles?
Every time we see ice, so that's been probably almost every time that we've been out patrolling.
And you just, once you see it, that's when you start flowering.
Yeah, pretty much.
It's kind of been a somewhat informal but accepted, like do a little peep, peep, peat, if, like, ice is around.
And then if they're actually in the process of taking someone, if they're in the process of a raid or something,
blowing the whistle is a little bit harder to really get...
You're blown hard on that whistle.
Yeah.
Do you feel like even when you're not patrolling, do you hear whistles kind of piping through the city?
Yes, especially in the last week and a half.
I mean, you'll just be, yeah, just in your house or running errands, or you'll hear whistles here and there.
You'll hear cars honking, and that's how you know ice is out and about.
They told me their goal today, and really any patrol they go on, is to document where ice is, what they're doing, who they're taking, all as an act of resistance.
To show ice, they want them out, and they're watching.
I am connecting with our group chat to get a sense of if there is any particular part of South Minneapolis where we should be.
looking around for ice and actually, Mitch, if you could take a left here and go down to Lake Street.
Patty told me people patrolling like this, coordinate through group signal chats.
Usually, they'll hop on a group call and share information about where ice has been spotted,
where they think people should focus.
Hundreds of people can join these calls, and they don't necessarily know who else is there.
On this day, Patty made it really clear to everyone that I was in the car with them, though I couldn't hear.
Everyone is very nervous about whom I get into these signal chats and be monitoring.
There's a bit of a paranoia and a hypervigilance that everybody in the city has.
I'm just looking at basically any vehicle with suspicion.
It's put us all on edge, and so it's not just driving around.
It didn't take long for them to spot a car that, to their eyes, seemed suspicious.
We just pulled onto a side street.
You just slowed down the car and you were looking,
Can you tell me what you're looking for?
Yeah, there's a black truck that had their lights on.
They've got a grill guard.
We definitely have seen ice agents in a lot of bigger vehicles.
Yeah, you want to just turn around?
And Patty, what are you doing?
I am writing down the license plate of this car, and I am going to ask for a plate check on it.
So you're asking for a plate check.
Somebody who's in front of their computer is going to run the plates.
And what are they looking for?
We're not exactly sure.
What we know is that we can send the license plate in the group chat,
and then someone will check to see if it has been like a license plate
that is confirmed to have been ice.
And it's deeply decentralized.
We have no idea who is running these plate checks.
After sending the plate number to the group and signal,
Patty and Mitch hear back very quickly.
I just got confirmed.
ice for that vehicle.
All right.
So we should loop back around and what should we do?
Should I park on the other side of the road from him so that he doesn't feel that we're obstructing?
Yep.
I think that's that stuff.
Mitch and Patty drove around the block while wondering what to do next.
In the time that took, people had actually already started to gather in the spot where they'd
identified the suspected ice car.
Look, there's already a bunch of people here.
There were more than a dozen people, a neighbor peeking out to see what was happening and a gathering
group of activists, some in cars, some on foot, some filming. Mitch rolled down his window.
You saw him go in the house? Got you, got you, got you, got you. Word was, the agent had gone
into this one house, but people weren't sure. So now everyone was just waiting to see. Was I's in
there? What were they doing? Do you want us to go check the alleyway? Mitch and Patty pulled up near
the alley to watch the back of the house. And just to say, this kind of waiting can apparently take a very
long time. I talked to one woman who told me she'd stake it out an apartment building in this way
for about four hours. Mitch and Patty told me this waiting can make them feel very anxious.
Today, Patty said she was particularly on edge. This was her first time out doing this after getting
detained about a week earlier. So last Sunday I was with my friend Brandon and we were responding
to an ice siding in my neighborhood. We followed them for about 40,
seconds, and then they stopped their car, got out of the car, and came and surrounded us,
screaming at us to stop following them. Patty says one of the agents set off pepper spray so that it
would get pulled into her car's ventilation system. She tried to shut off her heat quickly,
but some got in. Her eyes and throat started burning. Then, according to Patty, the agents
then surrounded her. And then proceeded to tell us that we were under
arrest, took these instruments out of their vests and smashed in my front two windows,
and dragged us out of the car, put us in handcuffs, and put us each in separate vehicles.
What was going through your head when that was all happening?
How are we getting arrested right now? We didn't do anything wrong, but we weren't committing
any traffic violations. So it was like, how can this be happening right now? How am I in handcuffs?
How am I in the back of this unmarked car? Something that stood out from this story and other things this
past weekend. It's just how unclear it is to the activists what could get them in trouble, detained or
arrested. People seemed like they were trying to figure out the rules in real time. Is it blocking traffic?
What's a safe distance to follow a car if you think it might be ice?
As for Patty, whatever she'd done to get detained, she didn't get charged with anything.
She was released later that evening, and she still doesn't know why they took her in.
Now, a few days later, here she was, back out patrolling.
About 20 minutes after we started staking out this one truck, the suspected ICE agent emerged.
This is him.
He got in his car and started driving.
Do you want to start following him?
Yeah.
Just at a pretty safe, safe distance.
How are you guys feeling right now?
I am feeling a little nervous, but also feeling like it's important that we stay out here, right?
I think part of it is just knowing that the point of the arrests and the detentions is to instill fear and is to deter people from doing this important work.
From Isis' perspective, you're saying their point is to instill fear.
I think so.
I think that ICE's point in making these arrests and detaining people who are then oftentimes let out without charges like I was, is to, you know, intimidate people and deter them from doing this work.
And to me, if they are willing to go through the whole process of trying to intimidate people like that,
and use their resources that way,
then I think that that means that it's having some sort of impact.
So I want to keep showing up and doing everything that I possibly can to, you know, gum up the works.
For Patty and Mitch and the other activists I talk to, two things are true in Minnesota right now.
The last couple weeks have been scary as things have escalated.
And at the same time,
The intensity of the response from ICE, it feels like a confirmation, that they are making it harder for ICE to do their job.
Otherwise, ICE wouldn't care so much.
So their plan is to keep at it.
I think we should go up and check that car, but...
They're turning around. Do you want to get their plate as well?
Yeah.
Or you can read it to me and I'll read it off to you.
After the break, we talked to Charles Holman's about the situation on the ground.
in Minneapolis and how Minneapolis became ground zero for pushback against ice.
We'll be right back.
Charlie, you are currently in Minneapolis.
That's also your hometown, we should note.
And you have spent a lot of time recently with our producer, Michael, who we just heard from when you were both covering the protests over the weekend.
And we just heard voices from residents, some of whom you spoke with, who are responding in real time, sometimes in very personal and precarious ways to federal officers.
So I want to start by asking, why has this federal force descended on the Twin Cities specifically?
Well, the official Trump administration explanation is this fraud scandal that's been sort of building for a while that does implicate a number of members of the Somali community of Minneapolis.
And it's been a little hard to keep track of why they're here because they've thrown out a number of other reasons since then having to do with the immigration crackdowns in general that we've been.
seeing which have spanned Los Angeles, Chicago, New Orleans, other cities.
But if you're the Trump administration and you're looking to just arrest a lot of undocumented
immigrants, Minneapolis is an odd choice because it's still a largely white city that doesn't
have the sort of numbers that you would have in California or Texas or many other states,
which has made it pretty clear that a lot of the context of the decision here likely has to do with
other factors. Minnesota is the state of Tim Walls, the vice presidential candidate in 2024,
who Trump does seem to truly hate and vice versa. It's also a very liberal city in a state that
Trump has not ever won. He's claimed that the election here has been stolen from him several
times without any evidence. And it is just sort of a state that embodies in many ways
ideas and people that he has really staked his second presidency against.
Minneapolis, of course, is also, we should note the site of George Floyd's murder and the eruption of protests that obviously convulsed the country back in 2020.
That's right. Minneapolis was very deeply affected by what happened here in 2020.
Minneapolis is a very liberal city, and a lot of people here were extremely outraged over the murder of George Floyd and broadly sympathetic to the protests.
But they were also very directly affected by the rioting that followed some of these demonstrations and often lived in neighborhoods.
where, you know, they saw people showing up in masks to burn the police station and things like that.
So it's left all of these kind of divisions within what is really, like, broadly a white liberal city.
And, you know, when I've come back here in years since then, you really see the kind of long shadow of 2020 in Minneapolis.
But what's been very interesting being here over the past week is that you also see a lot of the legacy of that in these kind of community structures and just kind of an ethos that is,
being applied to the current crisis in Minneapolis. A lot of the same relationships and organizing
ideas that people used to respond to what was happening after George Floyd, whether it was
coordinating protests or doing these sort of neighborhood watches to keep what people considered
sort of bad elements from, you know, causing trouble on their block. A lot of that stuff is being
used now in sort of updated and evolved ways in the response to the federal deployment here.
It is really interesting to think about how what happened after George Floyd changed the city in a way that is affecting the response currently.
But I want to also acknowledge that while we are talking about broad opposition to what the federal government is doing, there are also people who support what ICE is doing, of course.
I wonder how many of those supporters you've actually encountered on the ground.
In Minneapolis, very few.
There are many people here who view the fraud scandal as genuinely appalling, and there are certainly people who are broadly supportive of removing undocumented immigrants with criminal records from the streets here as elsewhere.
You don't hear those people talking vocally in Minneapolis right now.
I think because the crackdown itself has so visibly been sweeping up a pretty wide range of people beyond the stated targets of.
of it that has contributed to a sense of real embattlement in Minneapolis itself.
Right. There have been all these videos and images, some very graphic and violent of federal
agents, detaining people, grabbing people out of cars. We know in at least some instances
folks that have been detained by federal agents ended up being U.S. citizens.
The video, of course, that has gotten the most attention in recent days is the footage of
Renee Good being fatally shot by an ICE officer a couple weeks ago.
That certainly infuriated people all over the country and mobilized people on the ground in Minneapolis.
Can you talk a little bit about how that shooting changed things on the ground in the Twin Cities?
I think that it made this much more direct and personal for a lot of the people who are involved in the response,
many of whom are white liberals from these sort of South Minneapolis neighborhoods that have been most galvanized by what's happened.
And, you know, it's a city that has a long history of somewhat impersonal liberal activism on things like civil rights by kind of white liberals who don't necessarily have a ton of skin in the game themselves or particularly direct relationships or even interactions with people of color here.
And I do think that the shooting of Renee Good changed that in a way. And I've heard this from both people who are involved in the activism here and also some of the people who are immigrants who are.
targets of these raids. They recognize that something really shifted with the shooting.
I wonder what you make of what we've seen in Minneapolis the last couple weeks just in total.
The stakes obviously feel very high. We've all seen these incredibly violent images.
But the weekend did not escalate, I think, the way that a lot of people had been worried about or may at least have anticipated.
The federal government has also been trumpeting its success in Minneapolis.
And there's this open question about whether the president will invoke the insurrection.
Act. And basically, there's no sign that the feds are planning a widespread pullback anytime soon.
So I just wonder if you have any sense from your reporting what to expect in the coming days.
That, I think, is really the big, unanswered question. And you hear it from people a lot.
Like, there's a sense that something really profoundly different is happening here that we're sort
of off the map of prior experience. When I was in L.A. in June when this was happening there,
There was certainly a sense that, oh, you know, these agents are actually kind of making a lot of just very opportunistic arrests.
They're not necessarily targeting people they know have criminal records.
They are looking for a landscaping truck and then just grabbing everybody on the landscaping truck and seeing who they have.
And so there was a very palpable sense there that anybody could be a target who was an immigrant or even ethnically Latino or otherwise not white.
I think that what is different in Minneapolis is that there is a more prevent.
sense that not just could anybody in those categories be a target,
but that there's a good chance that those people will be a target.
Because it's a small city, non-white people here tend to be very visible
because it is a heavily white city.
And there are just so many federal agents here.
And so there's a sense of real vulnerability that feels different
from other places where these federal raids have happened.
But I think the extent of what's happened so far
and the uncertainty about what could happen from here
has led a lot of people to ask themselves these real questions about how far they're willing to go in the response efforts here.
You know, I've talked to people who have said, like, am I going to need to start hiding people in, you know, spare room in my house?
I mean, those are questions that people are seriously asking themselves and each other right now.
And there is a real sense that this is an important moment in history that's unfolding and how people respond to it.
It does have the ability to kind of direct, you know, which direction history goes from here.
Charlie, thank you so much.
Thanks for having me.
We'll be right back.
Here's what else you need to know today.
In a nearly two-hour speech to mark the first anniversary of a second term in office,
President Trump listed a litany of grievances and accomplishments
that wavered from his prowess as a little league player to complaints about European.
allies. He also said he'd learned that Renee Good's father had been a Trump supporter and said that he
hoped that he still was. The administration has accused good of being a domestic terrorist.
And the S&P 500 dropped more than 2% for the first time since October, as investors reacted to
President Trump's increasing threat of higher tariffs on European allies, unless they supported his
plans for America to take control of Greenland.
Tuesday's trading was the first chance U.S. markets had to react to the threats that Trump
made over the weekend when he also declined to rule out the use of military force to take
over the country.
Today's episode was reported and produced by Anna Foley and Michael Simon Johnson, and produced
by Caitlin O'Keefe, Nina Feldman, and Rochelle Bonja, with help from Lindsay Garrison
and Olivia Nat.
It was edited by Patricia Willans, Devin Taylor,
M.J. Davis Lynn and Ben Calhoun.
Contains music by Marion Lazzano, Alicia Beechup, Pat McCusker, and Dan Powell, and was engineered by Alyssa Moxley.
Special thanks to Vivian Yee.
That's it for the Daily. I'm Rachel Abrams. See you tomorrow.
