The Dan Bongino Show - Another Debate Disaster for the Democrats (Ep 1089)
Episode Date: October 16, 2019In this episode, I address the total disaster for the Democrats last night during the CNN debate. News Picks:Nancy Pelosi blinks, she will NOT hold a vote on impeachment.  Cowardly CNN gives ...Biden a pass on his family’s shady Ukraine dealings.  Elizabeth Warren is lying to you about tax hikes.  Elizabeth Warren is lying about how much the wealthy pay in taxes.  Liberals are lying. The wealthy pay the overwhelming majority of taxes.  Bernie and AOC keep blaming capitalism for problems caused by the government.  The NY Times is wrong. The rich pay more in taxes than liberals are claiming.  Copyright Dan Bongino All Rights Reserved.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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What?
What was that?
What was that?
The CNN debate last night?
No, I'm not talking about the National St. Louis Cardinals game.
Sweep.
Congrats, Washington Nationals, by the way.
What was that?
So we're going to frame it up for you today.
As Joe says, he wants our new motto to be everything you need to know in an hour on this show.
And I like it.
I am going to frame up for you what happened in yesterday's debate debacle.
And believe me, it was a debacle.
I've got the lowlights because there are no highlights.
And we're going to frame it as
losers from last night's debate and bigger losers because there were no winners.
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Well, I'm doing all right. You're right. Last night was nothing but a lie fest, you know?
Oh my gosh. I mean, just the clips we have today are priceless and i also have
i'm hoping to get to it today at the end of the show a stunner stunner from the mike flynn
the former trump national security advisor judicial proceeding from his lawyer believe me i am not
overselling it when i tell you a stunner from that case. Stay tuned. All right, let's get to it.
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elizabeth warren at this point who just remember this is losers and bigger losers there were no
winners last night's debate maybe trump um as someone else said maybe michael bloomberg was thinking about jumping back in the
race because the portfolio of options they had last night the democrats were just horrendous
um yeah so here's yeah it was bad right you watched some of it i know and you got to see
the clips this morning so let's start out with this clip from elizabeth warren i'll set it up
first the moderator of the debate is from the CNN and New York Times,
so fake news specialist,
appropriate for a Democrat debate,
by the way.
They're experts in fake news.
They go out there
and they ask her a question
about her Medicare for All plan,
which is basically Medicare for None
and a big government-run
health care plan
estimated to cost $32 trillion
over 10 years
that Elizabeth Warren
wants to implement.
Long and short of it is the moderator says,
listen, Liz, you're threatening America
with a government takeover.
I'm kind of paraphrasing a little bit.
You're threatening America with a government takeover
of the healthcare system.
It's going to cost $32 trillion.
Can you just be honest and tell us our taxes
are all going to go up to pay for this disaster? I want you to listen to her answer. This is a, I'm going to get this second clip on
this in a second, but listen to her answer. She absolutely refuses to answer the question about
you, your taxes. Check this out. I have made clear what my principles are here. And that is
costs will go up for the wealthy and for big corporations and for hardworking middle class families costs
will go down uh you know the way i see this is i have been out all around this country i've done
140 town halls now been to 27 states in puerto rico should have done 70 000 selfies which must
be the new measure of democracy and this gives people a chance to come up and talk to me directly.
So I've talked with the family, the mom and dad,
whose daughter's been diagnosed with cancer.
Joe, did you see the stunt?
Stunt.
When I was a kid, I had this friend, Andy Bayer.
Me and this guy were best buds for a long time.
And he used to call everything stunts.
Did you see the stunt? Like it meant like a trick or a scam you pulled. Me and this guy were best buds for a long time. And he used to call everything stunts.
You see the stunt?
Like it meant like a trick or a scam you pulled.
It wasn't a stunt like a Jackie Chan stunt.
Did you see the stunt, the scam, the trick she pulls there?
She does what liberals always do.
She's asked a direct question.
I will rephrase the question she was asked.
You're asking for a government takeover running on this of the healthcare system system are our taxes going to go up middle class taxpayers yes she's asked a yes or no question
right she does one thing first she changes it to a story and makes it an emotional rather than a
fact-based question the question is a question of fact is it not joe as the audience on buds
member gonna need you today oh yes brother yeah it is a simple question of fact is it not joe as the audience on budsman we're gonna need you today oh yes brother you got it is a simple question of fact a will taxes go up for the middle class b will
they not or c i don't want to answer she picks option c and starts telling him i met this lady
out there with cancer listen no doubtedly a horrible story we've had health issues in my
family still do had health care is expensive precisely because of the government involvement.
But folks, it's a yes or no question.
Now, when we get to fraudulent Bernie Sanders later,
at least Bernie tells the truth and says, yes, yes, your taxes will go up.
Warren will not answer the question.
She starts telling an emotional story about women she met with cancer.
Horrible.
But they are not related to the question she's asking, other than they're about health care.
She's asked a question about taxes. That's trick. That's stunt number one, the Andy Bayer stunt.
But, you know, number two, what she does is she completely divorces herself from basic economic theory.
Folks, I brought this up for a lot of you older listeners.
You've heard this before, but the principle of Pareto maximization.
I don't want to get into a big economics lecture today, but it's very simple.
Pareto maximization means this, a decent measure of the effectiveness of a government policy,
i.e. the takeover of the entire healthcare system.
A measure of the effectiveness of that policy, i.e. the takeover of the entire healthcare system, a measure of the
effectiveness of that policy, Joe, would be, does it make at least one person better without making
anyone else worse? Anyone else. It's more complicated, but that's a general takeaway
from what they call Pareto optimization.
Notice how she completely leaves that part out. Not Pareto, but even the general idea,
is this going to make us better? Is it even going to make one person better without making anyone else worse? Now, I have no doubt that free, in other words, taxpayer-funded government benefits
for people all over the world, including their health care payments, will make a few people better off.
The question Warren always, Sanders doesn't avoid that.
He just lies about it.
He insists it's going to make everybody better off.
The question Warren avoids is how many people will this make worse off?
And the answer is potentially hundreds of millions
Pareto don't ever forget the Pareto principle I don't want any government policy that that
doesn't meet that basic criteria does it help at least one person without hurting anybody else
that's simple right Elizabeth Warren no all right let's go to Warren cut number two.
This is the same Q&A with the moderator, the same question. Yes or no, are taxes going to go up? We took two cuts from this. It was very long, so Joe is good at cutting stuff up to not bore you
with Elizabeth Warren for more than a minute straight. You may go to sleep. Thank you. Here's
the second part of our answer where she's questioned again. Listen,
Liz, are taxes going up or what? Get to the point. Check this out. Senator Sanders acknowledges he's
going to raise taxes on the middle class to pay for Medicare for all. You've endorsed his plan.
Should you acknowledge it, too? So the way I see this, it is about what kinds of costs middle class families are going to face.
So let me be clear on this.
Costs will go up for the wealthy.
They will go up for big corporations and for middle class families.
They will go down.
I will not sign a bill into law that does not lower costs for middle class families.
law that does not lower costs for middle-class families.
Folks, you know, I know in politics, you're not supposed to say, hey, they're lying. You're supposed to use these, you know, euphemisms. She's using misdirection. She's not exactly
being truthful. She's being calculated. She's lying she's lying the data supports nothing
she says so just to be clear joe on part two of that question she again does not answer the she
doesn't answer the question oh let me be she's getting up let me be clear she's trying like the
burning rat she goes costs will go down for we didn't ask you about costs. We asked you about taxes.
Nobody asked you about costs.
The question, Joe, which we heard, we put the question in that time.
Joe wants me to get away from, he wants me to set up the question rather than let the moderator, which I think is right, shortens the clips.
But this one's important.
Yeah, because the moderator clearly himself is frustrated that Warren won't answer a simple question.
Our middle class tax is going, let me tell you about costs.
I didn't ask about costs.
I asked you about taxes, taxes.
She still doesn't answer it.
So you may say, well, Dan, did she make a point even though she didn't answer the tax
question, which she didn't.
answer the tax question, which she didn't. If taxes do go up, but healthcare costs for America go down, even though Warren didn't exactly answer the question, technically, Joe, she would be right.
Correct? In other words, Joe, if your tax bill goes up, say $5,000 a year, but your Medicare,
excuse me, you're not a Medicare, but your whatever, your health care costs go down by $6,000, then Joe's better off.
He's paying $5,000 for a $6,000 benefit.
Simple question, right?
Well, thankfully, you came to the Dan Bongino Show where Joe, again, loves to lie.
Everything you need to know in an hour.
That is categorically false.
Let's go to our friends over at the Washington Examiner, which analyzes this very question.
Will America's healthcare costs go down
even if their taxes go up?
Philip Klein, opinion.
Elizabeth Warren's stubborn dishonesty
on raising middle-class taxes.
Folks, please read the show notes today.
These articles will be in the show notes.
I have a bunch of stuff on liberal lies,
on taxes, on healthcare, everything.
A bunch of data you're going to need.
We'll get to more of it throughout the show.
She is lying.
Remember the old ducktales, Scrooge McDuck, the harp?
You are lying, lying.
Here's the nose.
My nose has been broken so many times,
it can't grow anymore.
Here's the side profile.
The nose for Elizabeth Warren is growing.
She's not telling you the truth.
Let's go to takeaway number
one from the Washington Examiner piece, which shows taxes and costs will go up. So Elizabeth
Warren's giving you a twofer, folks. She's increasing your taxes and your health care
costs with her government takeover from the piece. And I quote, even looking at things on a net
trade-off basis, however, Warren's numbers don't add up. An analysis of the 2016
Sanders campaign proposal, in other words, the healthcare proposal Elizabeth Warren's endorsing
by Bernie Sanders from the liberal Joe Urban Institute, took into account that much of the
$32 trillion price tag for Warren and Sanders' government takeover would result from the federal
government absorbing many costs currently paid by states in the private sector.
Ah, there's a but, Ski.
Oh.
But the analysis still found that the plan would increase
overall health spending in the U.S. by $6.6 trillion over a decade.
Whoa.
The verdict is in folks.
Elizabeth Warren's full of crap.
Your taxes are going to go up and your costs are going to go up.
What did someone say?
It was a joke of Lyndon Johnson.
I think said it.
He goes,
man,
I need to get my,
my,
my,
my hands on a one handed economist because everybody kept coming in and telling him on one hand this
and on the other hand.
Cut one of those hands off.
You got no prize.
No other hand.
There's no other hand.
She's just making it up.
Your taxes up.
Your health care costs up, up, up.
You need visuals?
For those of you watching on YouTube, up, up, up, up.
Nothing she's telling you is true.
You're going to get a big fat, juicy tax bill and an even bigger, fatter health care bill.
Nothing she's telling you is true.
Nothing.
I thought the government was paying for it.
Yeah, they said that with Medicare, too. Now you got Medicare Part A, Part B, Part C, Part D, Part X,
supplemental Medicare, supplemental, supplemental Medicare,
triple supplemental for supplements to pay the supplement
that the supplement didn't get, the co-pay supplement supplement,
the medication drug supplement vis-a-vis supplement supplement supplement,
and you got insurance for the supplement.
You really believe this is going to work?
Listen, when I was a kid, I got great advice.
Don't be an imbecile.
Don't be an imbecile.
This is not going to work.
Nobody, the liberals, their own think tanks are saying,
maybe this isn't such a good idea.
Warren is lying. Now, I've
got more on this throughout the show.
Gosh, that was 15 minutes on.
I could go all day on
this alone because I'm so fascinated by how
people keep falling for these sucker
ideas that the government's going to fix your healthcare.
Fix your healthcare? The government couldn't even
open up a website for
Obamacare. My wife
could have done their website. She's a web designer.
The government can't even manage poverty programs. The government's an expert at creating poverty.
That's what they do, do poverty programs. They're great entrepreneurs for poverty.
No one creates poverty better than California and liberal federal government programs. Nobody.
They're experts at it, Joe. They are the apple of poverty creation.
And you want them to take over your health care system?
They've already bankrupted Medicare.
But we paid in.
You did pay in.
And they flushed it down the toilet.
I'm sorry.
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sailing around the ocean bernie would be like the captain ahab of that ship i mean this guy
is the biggest fraud up there uh i get a kick out of bernie uh we haven't done a lot of bernie stuff
in a while due to all the breaking news, of course,
with Spygate and the fake whistleblower story
and all that stuff.
But let's get right to it.
Here's a video last night
of the Democrat debate debacle last night.
Bernie Sanders, total fraud.
Again, ripping on millionaires.
He is a millionaire.
Keep that in mind.
This guy's a total epic fraud
of colossal tier one level proportions right and falsely claiming again
about the rich and what their their first year is he's just making this up check this out when you
have 87 people 87 million people uninsured or underinsured when you got hundreds of thousands
of kids who cannot afford to go to college and millions struggling with the oppressive burden of student debt.
And then you also have three people owning more wealth than the bottom half of American society.
That is a moral and economic outrage.
And the truth is, we cannot afford to continue this level of income and
wealth inequality. And we cannot afford a billionaire class whose greed and corruption
has been at war with the working families of this country for 45 years. So if you're asking me,
do I think we should demand that the wealthy start paying the wealthiest top one tenth of one percent, start paying their fair share of taxes so we can create a nation and a government that works for all of us?
Yes, that's exactly what I believe.
OK.
Is that a joke?
I listen to me. These billionaire billionaire these millionaires and billionaires
they do not pay their fair share um bernie the top 20 percent of earners pay 80 percent of tech
that doesn't matter we are talking about bulge we are not talking about facts bernie you are a
millionaire that doesn't matter either.
The other millionaires are bad.
I'm the good millionaire.
But you just categorically stated millionaires and billionaires are greedy.
I'm not greedy.
I meet every other millionaire, not this millionaire.
What has two thumbs is a millionaire and is not greedy.
This guy here, Bernie Sanders, I am not greedy.
But you've never met those other billionaires.
I haven't met them, but they're a group of mmholes.
I don't care.
It's me.
I am at the top of the totem pole
on the moral high ground of millionaires.
Folks, this cat doesn't pay a cent extra in taxes.
He's a millionaire. How much, does that not bother you if you support this guy listen you may not like trump but trump has never run from his wealth and
attacked millionaires and billionaires he's like i love it right joe we've laughed about this before
how trump when he talks about his wealth he's like yeah when he goes up on the stage he goes
and my apartment's bigger than all these guys. I got a nicer apartment
than all of them.
I love that.
I'm like, great, good for you.
This guy's a fraud.
Listen, I'm going to get to
exhaustively why he's lying
about who pays the taxes
on this company.
We all know he's lying.
They don't pay the fair share.
That's crap.
I'm going to get to that
in a second.
I want to get to
Elizabeth Warren first,
but before we move on
to Elizabeth Warren,
again, Matt Palumbo, I want to recite this piece because it's a very, very good one.
He is my resident fact checker at Bongino.com. He has a section on our website called Debunk This,
and he has an awesome book called Debunk This Too, available now, that exhaustively covers
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it a bestseller.
He wrote a piece, which again, will be in today's show notes.
Now, it's about AOC, but I want to point out again by these takeaways how it relates.
The piece is titled, AOC Blames Capitalism for Government-Created Problems.
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Why am I bringing this piece up from Matt? Well, he has two takeaways that apply to Bernie's nonsense in that video.
Bernie says, well, listen, when kids can't afford to go to college,
he blames it on billionaires.
As if billionaires, Joe, who, by the way,
most of them who donate money to education causes others,
as if they're the cause of rising tuition costs.
Yeah.
Secondly, he brings up homelessness when you're sleeping on the street as if billionaires
are kicking people out of their houses.
What I find odd, Joe, is Bernie brings up two problems that, and I couldn't have predicted
this when Matt wrote the piece, that Matt covers in this AOC piece that are government
problems.
Folks, on a very serious note, one of the things that made
me a strong conservative is I was an independent in college. I think I was registered independent
for 15 years or so, for a long time. I'm not sure how long. I should probably fact check myself,
but I was a registered independent for a long time. In college, I was never a liberal,
but I believe some of this stuff. Like, gosh, there are all
these greedy billionaires and they're the cause of problems. Listen, I have no doubt that there
are billionaires and millionaires who are greedy. But the problems in our society, when I found out,
are largely caused not by millionaires and billionaires, but by the government itself.
Folks, I'm not kidding when I tell you it was a transformative road to Damascus moment.
There's a line that there are two kinds of people who see the world differently than everyone else,
the super rich and the super political. They don't see the world like anybody else. The super rich
because they don't need anything. Money means nothing. Nobody sees the world like that but them.
The super political because you've seen the wizard. You've pulled back the curtain and you know everything you've been told is BS.
You can't unsee that wizard when you find out that almost every single systemic nationwide
global problem we have now, nearly every single one can be blamed
on central planners and big government.
Now, from Matt's piece, remember, Bernie's claiming billionaires are the cost of student
loan, the student loan crisis, and people not being able to afford college.
Right.
Well, Palumbo's piece systemically dismantles all of this nonsense.
From the piece, the federal government, Joe, began subsidizing tuition as early as 1965,
but it was the 1978, remember that date,
Middle Income Student Assistance Act,
which expanded government subsidies
from the poor to the middle class
that marked a turning point in college costs.
Since 1978, college costs have increased 1,225 percent while inflation has
increased 279 so let's be clear oh government intervenes in 1978 says we're gonna fix this
college loan problem we're gonna start running subsidy programs and regulate the whole thing to
give people more money give people more money. Give people more money.
Shockingly, they spend it.
So do colleges that are the recipients, the end recipients of that money.
What happens?
Government assistance, again, folks, up.
Costs up more.
This is not hard.
Shaggy.
This is not even Scooby gets it. This isn't hard.
You track government intervention in the college loan market up.
Try to follow, Joe.
Costs up.
This is not complicated.
Yes, even Joe gets it.
This is not hard.
But Bernie, remember the flipperoo?
Yeah.
You know, whenever we have to call a dipsy-do flipperoo,
perk up your antenna, she'll go, the dipsy-do flipperoo.
You like that girl?
You like her a lot?
You know, she doesn't like you.
You break up with her.
All of a sudden, she likes you.
Vice versa.
Happened to me once with a girlfriend.
I didn't like her that much.
She dumped me.
I was like, oh, my gosh, I really like her. It's the flip-a-roo. The dipsy-doo
flip-a-roo. Why are you staring at me over there? I can see you out of the corner. Paula's staring
at me. She's like, where's he going to go with this? Don't worry. I'm not giving too many. It's
not Paula, by the way. Paula never said she didn't like me, but she did play hard to get.
And I sent her that Michelle Branch song. Remember that? I called you that morning.
I'm like, why do I like this woman so much? Because she pretended she didn't like me back
for a little while. Maybe it is the flip-a-roo. I don't know, but it started that morning. I'm like, why do I like this woman so much? Because she pretended she didn't like me back for a little while.
Maybe it is the flip-a-roo.
I don't know, but it started that way.
So it was no flip-a-roo.
Getting back to my point, because I always get off track here.
So this is the flip-a-roo.
Bernie Sanders blames millionaires and billionaires for a problem
if you're interested in facts and data that is clearly attributable
to government intervention and central planners.
Well, why is that odd?
Because Bernie Sanders is a central government planner
who wants more of the same problem
that's causing the problem.
But the millionaires did it.
Okay, dude, whatever.
You're just making that up.
Second takeaway from Matt's piece.
Remember Bernie, the millionaires
kicking out people on the street.
Yeah.
So millionaires and billionaires now are making the homelessness crisis worse.
By the way, homelessness is really bad in liberal states, but don't let that get in the way.
Second takeaway, Matt, who always does good work.
I can't recommend this book enough, by the way.
Again, debunk this.
You'll see all kinds of arguments like this.
Look at this handy dandy chart.
I'll explain it to you for the audio listeners.
Quote from Matt's piece. Well, why is there so much homelessness and why are housing
costs out of control in liberal areas? Well, folks, you can blame it largely on zoning laws.
Quote, zoning laws saw a sharp escalation from the 1980s to the 1960s to 1980s and briefly took a
halt in the Reagan era before lawmakers put the pedal to the floor.
Now, Matt has a convenient chart here where you can see the zoning index. In other words,
zoning laws, which make it more expensive to build housing, which makes Joe shockingly
housing more expensive. You can see from this chart and come back to me here for a second.
Zoning and therefore housing costs, Joe.
Housing costs and homelessness.
Uh,
more.
There you go again,
folks. Don't let the facts get in the way of another stupid Bernie Sanders
argument.
It,
we definitely need more government.
They're going to fix this.
They're the ones who did it.
They're the ones who did it.'re the ones who did it it's
like when you catch your kid with the nutella all over her face and you're like did you eat nutella
on that piece of bread no no it wasn't me what's that stuff on your face i don't know i don't know
like it reminds me of the beavis and butthead thing mr anderson when he catches him in there
in the rv did you guys rip up my RV?
What, me?
It was other kids.
You're in the RV.
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so Liz
Warren last night
I gotta bounce back
I can't do too much Elizabeth Warren
all at once I really will put you to sleep
so I have to kind of like
she's digestible in small nuggets,
her video appearances there
on a debate stage
because they're so bad and so awful.
So Bernie made the argument,
the last thing about millionaires
and billionaires not paying their fair share,
which is totally erroneous
and just a complete fabrication.
Well, Elizabeth Warren doubles down on this again.
And she's asked about, you know,
billionaires and why they're so awful.
She's like, I don't have a beef with billionaires. So check this cutout and I'm going to finally give you
the facts and data. Again, you need to rebut this stupid argument about millionaires and billionaires
not paying their fair taxes and not paying their fair share in taxes. And pays particular attention
to what Warren says about how those billionaires got rich, conveniently leaving out that it was
the tax money the wealthy paid that also built
the infrastructure that later wealthy people used to get rich, too. She leaves all that out in this
really silly explanation she tries to frame as an emotional appeal. Check this out. I'm really
shocked at the notion that anyone thinks I'm punitive. Look, I don't have a beef with billionaires.
My problem is you made a fortune in America.
You had a great idea.
You got out there and worked for it.
Good for you.
But you built that fortune in America.
I guarantee you built it in part using workers all of us help pay to educate.
You built it in part getting your goods to market on roads and bridges all of us help pay for.
You built it at least in part protected by police and firefighters all of us help pay for. You built it at least in part protected by police and firefighters.
All of us help pay the salaries for.
And all I'm saying is
you make it to the top,
the top one-tenth of one percent,
then pitch in two cents
so every other kid in America
has a chance to make it.
Senator, thank you.
You didn't build that.
You're the sequel. Yeah. You didn't build that pitch. You, you,
the sequel.
Yeah.
You didn't be part of it.
Yeah.
D U X.
Right.
Remember Obama?
You didn't build that.
Yeah.
They're right.
Joe's right.
Elizabeth Warren.
Um,
folks pitch in two cents.
Is she just to be clear,
like,
all right.
You may say,
well,
she was being silly.
She didn't really mean two cents.
Two cents?
So she's making a claim to be clear because she's not being clear.
That wealthy people get rich and that their wealth was built on the education and security and police services and fire department services and roads and bridges built by others.
Okay.
It's a stretch.
I mean, there are places that have almost no federal income tax base
or state income tax base at all where oligarchs and mobsters get rich too.
And I mean, you can't make the same
clip right you get my point joe let's just say her suggestion right is that in a civilized country
like the united states thankfully that the hordes and the masses would come and repossess your wealth
it wasn't for the cops we all pay for and the roads you transport your goods on are paid for
by the taxes of other people and you're just basically pillaging all of them and taking their money and all their
services to get rich by your, on your own.
Well, that argument would, I guess, be sound if the evidence of collection of wealth in
central plan or socialist countries and complete third world republics didn't exist.
In other words, what she's suggesting is what?
There's a collection of wealth in the United States.
It's worse than other places.
You go to some countries in Central America,
South America, in Africa,
where the governing systems aren't as strong,
you have a series of oligarchs
and upper-level tyrants and people like that
who have gotten wealthy off the people.
They just steal their money outright.
At least here, the rich have to pay back so okay i'm point two well okay that's fair but what she's saying is the rich don't pay enough just like bernie no no paid a fair share
well joe that's a statistical fact-based question again that you can answer
by simply ask asking and answering
the question well then what do the rich pay well we're gonna do something very troubling for
liberals here uh we are gonna actually analyze data d-a-t-a i know that's hard folks i know
i know it's not the sexiest word on a show data data liberals are horrified
by data let's check that argument out if the rich are paying their fair share or they're just
driving on roads and pillaging police and fire services from everyone else who are paying for
let's go to the tax foundation first it's not a pretty exhaustive analysis on these numbers let's
check this out by the, this is from 2018.
It covers it by Robert Belafior.
This will be in the show notes,
this article.
So all these screenshots
I'm going to put up,
you can take yourself.
It'll be in the show notes.
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The tax foundation
did a pretty exhaustive study
of what wealthy Americans,
middle-class Americans pay using 2016 data. Why 2016, Joe? Because we did a pretty exhaustive study of what wealthy Americans, middle-class Americans pay using 2016 data.
Why 2016, Joe?
Because we have a pretty comprehensive data set from them.
2018, 2019 are obviously not in yet.
So let's look at what they found.
Do the rich pay their fair share or are they driving on roads they didn't pay for?
Those evil rich.
From the Tax Foundation.
By the way, this is just three of the bullet points from their
study there are many more you can read it yourself again it'll be in the show notes
and i encourage you to do that because nothing liberals are telling you is true from the piece
takeaway number one the share of reported income earned by the top 1% of taxpayers fell slightly to 19.7% in 2016.
Their share of the federal income taxes fell slightly to 37.3%.
So just to be clear, one out of 100 taxpayers, one,
is currently paying 37.3, nearly 40% of federal income tax. One well that's not what is your i don't i don't
get it what's your fair share you want one out of every hundred people to pay what a hundred percent
of the federal tax loan so just to be clear how much do those roads cost where that one rich guy out of 100 in
your neighborhood is financing 40% of the roads and the police and the fire services?
All right, that was about federal income taxes.
But it gets worse, not better.
Because remember, the top 1% pay state taxes, pay sales taxes.
That's a low end of the tax load.
So just to be clear, what are those roads?
Paved in diamonds?
I mean, I
was a cop. I loved it. What are you paying your cops?
$7 million a year?
I wish we had that
kind of GDP where we could pay them.
They're great.
Joe, audience ombudsman, is this making
sense? One dude
or woman
out of 100 is paying 40 cents of every dollar
to build roads bridges and pay the cops she's talking about yeah back to the tax foundation
piece i could do this all day i could do my captain america that movie i could go all day
uh in 2016 the top 50 of all taxpayers paid 97% of all individual income taxes,
while the bottom 50% obviously paid the remaining 3%.
So now we're out of the rich category.
We're getting to middle class, upper middle class, and just middle class in general.
50%.
So here's half. 50% and up pay $0.97 of every single federal income tax dollar.
The bottom 50% pay $0.03 of every dollar.
I only bring this point up to show you no matter where you go on the income spectrum,
the more money you make, the more taxes you pay.
Nobody escapes it.
The middle class doesn't escape it.
And let me ask you this.
Let me tie it back to Elizabeth Warren's government-run Medicare for all nonsense takeover.
Government takeover of our healthcare system.
Joe, if the upper 50%, meaning the middle class, upper middle class, wealthy,
and the uber wealthy, right? If they're paying almost all, I mean, effectively,
97 cents of every dollar in taxes is paid by them. Yeah. Close to all. Yeah.
How are your taxes not going to go up if Elizabeth Warren plans to double the federal budget every
year by taking over the healthcare system? Remember, the federal budget's $4 trillion.
She wants to spend a year. She wants to spend $3.2 trillion at the low end more every year.
She wants to double the federal budget to pay for a government takeover of the healthcare system.
federal budget to pay for a government takeover of the healthcare system.
It's going to up your costs and your taxes.
If the 50% and above pay almost all of the taxes,
how are those top 50%, meaning you,
half of the people in your neighborhood,
how are they not going to see a tax hike?
It's called math.
Arithmetic.
Yeah, yeah.
Joe's like, yeah, right.
Yes, math. That thing. Yes, yeah. Do it. Do it. Theithmetic. Yeah, yeah. Joe's like, yeah, right. Yes, math.
That thing.
Yes, yes.
Do it.
Do it.
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Math, Elizabeth Warren.
Do it.
Yes, do it. How is she going to do it commercial for my show. Math, Elizabeth Warren, do it. Yes, do it.
How is she going to do it?
She can't do basic math.
Basic math.
I was a college professor at Harvard.
Turn that degree in, please.
Do it, math.
Ah, dude.
Okay.
There's another from the Tax Foundation piece.
I'm sorry, one more.
Again, I could do this all day because it's just so easy to debunk their stupidity because data
doesn't lie liberals do final takeaway from this piece again there's a bunch of them in there i'm
just picking out some of the gems this one this is a i mean this is just a diamond here. The top 1% show, the millionaires and billionaires,
paid a greater share of individual income taxes.
Oh, I just lost that.
Paid a greater share of individual income tax.
Sorry.
I'm going to pull this up on my phone, folks.
Sometimes I prompt, excuse me, for the new tech here.
All right.
The top 1%.
Yeah, sometimes it goes down.
You got to mess with it sometimes.
You can leave it in the show.
We just got our new studio.
We're just working stuff out.
Even last night on a Fox hit, I lost my teleprompter when I was on the Hannity show last night.
The top 1% of taxpayers paid a 26.9% individual income tax rate.
Oh, there you go.
Which is more than seven times higher than taxpayers in the bottom 50%.
times higher than taxpayers in the bottom 50%. Folks, do you understand what I'm telling you here? One out of a hundred people paid a tax rate that is seven times higher than the taxpayers in
the bottom 50% who are only paying 3.7%. Again, please tell me what part. Ah, do it.
Tell me what part of fair share that doesn't meet.
Give us a number.
Aren't you obligated to give us a number?
You know, I don't have the clip today.
Forgive me.
Maybe I am.
I wish I had it.
But there's a segment with Al Sharpton.
Phony, another fake.
Al Sharpton, I'm not sure if he was on Hannity or whatever.
I'll try to pull it maybe for tomorrow. Let me take a note on that. Sharpton, I'm not sure if he was on Hannity or whatever. I'll try to pull it maybe for tomorrow.
Let me take a note on that, Sharpton.
I got to remember because this is a classic.
It was Fox.
I'm pretty sure it was Fox.
And they ask Al Sharpton.
He makes this dopey fair share argument.
They ask him to put a number on it.
Okay, well, what percentage, if that number I gave you that they're paying 27.9%,
seven times higher than the bottom 50%.
Yeah.
At three,
three percent.
What is their fair share?
And he gives them a number lower than what they're actually paying.
Sharpton does.
He's like,
well,
I think I should pay maybe 40%.
Well,
they're actually already paying 80.
Ah,
and he's like stunned because he,
you know,
like every other,
he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Now, you know, as another great piece on this?
Our buddies at the Daily Signal.
I'm going to get to this quick and then let's hold the rest of this stuff.
Because there's so much from this debate last night.
We had Beto.
Gosh, Beto blows up.
Kamala Harris.
Like the tyranny streak with the left just never ends.
Want to shut down Trump's Twitter, Kamala Harris.
Good luck with that.
The Daily Signal has a great piece up about, again,
who pays the fair share of taxes.
Are the rich really getting over?
So in their show notes today, the New York Times is wrong.
The rich pay more taxes than you do by Adam Michelle.
I had Adam Michelle on Twitter.
Folks, this is that
Saez study we discussed the other day
that the liberals and the New York Times have been tossing
out there that the rich are getting over, folks.
They're paying a lower tax rate than you are.
We clear? Liberal line,
which is always BS, so don't worry about
the other kids, Beavis and Butthead approach, right?
Liberals are paying a lesser
tax rate than even some poor Americans.
No. liberals are paying a lesser tax rate than even some poor americans no it's just not true so i have three takeaways from the daily signal piece which is excellent the first one is on tax rates is that true are rich people paying a lower tax rate than the poor
well the daily signal looked at that because data kind of matters. Math, do it.
Looking at all federal taxes, the CBO, congressional budget, you know, liberals love the CBO, Joe.
Now they do, yeah. Shows that the top 1% pay an average federal tax of 33.3%. Joe, keep that in
mind. Okay, this is going to be tough math. 33.3, Joe. I'm going to ask you if that's greater or
lesser than the next number. So the top 1% pay an average federal
tax rate of 33.3%. The data shows tax rates decline with income. Decline? What do you mean?
I thought they went up. The liberals are telling us everybody else, the poor people are paying more.
The data shows tax rates decline with income. And the poorest 20% of the population
pays an average tax rate of just 1.7%.
Wait, here's the kicker.
The left-leaning tax policy center shows similar results.
Joe, take a moment.
I hate these.
I hate these.
I know, I know.
It's mentally exhausting.
You got to take a B12 shot afterwards.
I get it.
The dendrites, boom, got to fire neurons and everything.
Joe didn't have a
good meal this morning i know it's no is 33.3 percent the tax rate the top one percent are
paid is that higher or lower than the 1.7 percent the poor are paying in the country take a moment
and think about it why do you make this so hard i know i. I'm sorry. I'm going to say it's bigger.
It's higher.
Yeah.
Thank you.
The verdict is in.
Armacost is correct.
The judges rule in favor of Joe Armacost.
33.3% even sweating it out is in fact greater than 1.7.
Now, don't let, again, don't let those facts from the CBO that the left claims to love
get in the way of a stupid argument that the rich are paying lesser tax rates than the poor.
Don't let it get in the way of your argument.
Just keep lying.
You all are very good at it.
Oh, the Daily Signal piece isn't done there, though.
You may say to yourself, well, then how did two relatively well-respected by the left, at least, researchers, this guy Saez and Zuckman, how did they come up with crazy numbers like the rich are paying a lesser tax rate than the poor?
Well, there's always a stunt, but let's get to takeaway number two first, because this
is always a counter-argument that Sharpton actually tried in that cut.
Again, I'm going to try to find this for tomorrow.
I'll do my best to dig it up.
Well, maybe the rich are paying that tax rate, but certainly it's less than the share.
Here's the second takeaway from the Daily Signal piece.
Certainly it's less than the share of income.
In other words, Joe, if the rich are paying 33%, well, they're making 50, so they should pay more.
Okay, let's check that out.
Quote from the piece.
The Liberal Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, yes, liberal,
estimates that combined federal, state, local taxes are still quite progressive.
It finds the top 1% pay a 33.7% tax rate,
and the poorest 20% of Americans pay an average 20% cumulative tax rate
when all the taxes are factored in.
Here's the kicker.
The kicker.
The data also show the highest income taxpayers
are the only group that pay a larger share of total taxes
than its share of total income.
Oh!
Be ready.
Be ready.
Liberals come back.
I've debated this a thousand times on TV.
All right, well, they may pay 33% the rich,
but they earn more than that.
And they should pay more.
No,
they earn less.
They pay a greater share of taxes than their total income.
What you're saying is false,
not true.
A lie because we do this crazy thing here called data.
Now I'm going to wrap up the show on this
today i know some of this listen i teased the flint i'm gonna have to get to it tomorrow because
it's going to require a longer explanation um and i've also got some other cuts and some other stuff
but again we want to keep this show in a certain time frame so you can watch it on your commute
home and listen um but trust me you're not going to want to miss tomorrow's show. We have been loaded for the last few days.
Yeah.
You may be asking yourself, well, Liz Warren, the New York Times, Bernie Sanders, and others
who are propagandizing and gaslighting you with this study that the rich are getting
over on you and they're paying a lesser share.
How did these two researchers come up with that data?
They pulled a little stunt.
That's fascinating.
Paula loves the economic stuff. You're going to like this one. Put up the third takeaway. I'll
explain it. I'm going to read it first, but I'll explain it. It's a little complicated.
The ratio of underreported to reported income decreases for higher levels of income. The ratio
is also changed over time. For example, around the time of the 1986 Reagan tax
cuts, reported income increased significantly because lower tax rates increased tax compliance.
Don't worry. I promise I'm going to clear this up for you. Misallocating untaxed income makes
top earners' incomes appear systemically larger than they actually are, artificially driving down
the estimated tax rate. I get it. Many of you are like, what?
What was that about?
Yeah, explain, man.
Explain.
Let me do some explaining.
It's actually easier than you think.
Yeah.
The way these researchers made the tax rate rich people pay appear lower,
because remember, their argument is rich people aren't paying enough taxes
and poor people are paying more.
You dig?
Yeah, man.
The way they made the rich people's
tax rates appear lower is this clever little stunt they pulled the irs and other bodies that research
tax uh income and tax taxes paid relative to income they adjust income for most income groups
rich poor middle class up well why Why would they do that, Joe?
Why if, I don't know.
I have no idea what Joe makes.
Joe makes 50, I have no idea.
Let's say Joe makes $50,000 a year. When I'm researching Joe's income and the taxes he pays, I have to adjust that up.
I make it maybe if he makes 50, I adjust it to say 55.
You might scratch your head like, Dan, I don't get it.
If he makes 50, why are you saying he makes 55?
Because folks, as referenced in the Daily Signal piece, a substantial swath of income
in the United States goes underreported.
So when you study income, they make adjustments upwards.
And an example they use in the piece, which is an excellent one, folks, people in the
restaurant industry, I love them to death.
But let's be honest.
You think they're reporting every tip?
Probably not.
I mean, listen, everybody's done it.
You think the paper boy is getting a cash tip?
Income in the United States is not accurately reflected by IRS data.
You got to make adjustments.
But as the signal notes in the piece, as you move up the income scale,
poor, lower middle class, middle class,
upper middle class, wealthy, uber wealthy, Joe,
the ratio of underreported income,
the amount goes down significantly.
Now, why would that be?
Think about it.
Joe, if you're bill gates yes do you really think bill gates is hiding cash tips he gets do you think someone's dropping him a 10 spot after he after
after bill gates does charity hey bill here's a 10 ski and bill's like don't report that his wife
melinda hey put it in your bag don't tell. Folks, when you're worth a quadrillion dollars, it's pretty hard to hide that.
They're not like El Chapo burning the 20s
in the back of like a stash house for their drug supply.
So what Saez and Zuckman did is super clever.
They pretended the ratio, in other words,
the amount of money rich people hide
in like underreported income is the same
as say wage
workers in a restaurant getting tips that's absurd nobody does that it was a scam no credible entity
does that so what did it do by saying no no rich people make more they're hiding more i'm sure
they're hiding something but nowhere close to his percentage what wage workers are doing
nowhere close nobody does that Joe
what did they do they inflated
dramatically the incomes of wealthy
people to make it seem like their taxes
were that much lower folks
seriously
brilliant
slimy sleazy
snaky horrible
but brilliant, brilliant.
Guinness guy, brilliant.
Yeah.
Right?
It made out, look, they're not paying their tax.
We're going to, hey,
why does their income seem like it's so much more?
Oh, we're just using the numbers to be sure everybody else.
But that's not how any of that works.
Bill Gates does not have a stash house for like,
you know, things he sold in the black market in his house i assure you
nobody does it that way but these two because they wanted to make an argument that the rich
are getting over all right folks i'm sorry i'm sorry i gotta wrap it i got a ton more
i know today's show has been really i one of my favorite shows we've done a long time
paula likes economic shows too they were giving out so many Pinocchios so often last night at that debate.
Those people are going to need,
they're not going to need a chainsaw to get into their car.
I mean,
it's.
Or they're going to cause themselves a serious safety situation if they're in
a front end accident,
right?
Nose right out the front window.
Punch that from like a,
like one of those center punches right now
you won't even need it you got the nose right on the center punches if you got forbidden to go
into water you punch it they don't have it they got the no pop it with the nose
folks pick up matt's book again debunk this uh a lot of this stuff is in there it's a terrific
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