The Dan Bongino Show - Are Kash and Bongino About To Blow The Lid Off FBI Corruption? | Episode 46

Episode Date: May 19, 2025

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As always welcome to Vince great to have you with us today brought to you by blackout coffee The official coffee of all of us here at Silverlock go to blackout coffee comm slash Vince use the code Vince That's vi nce for 20% off your first order Appreciate you being here today. We've got a huge show for you We've got Dan Bond Gino and cash Patel sitting down for their first interview together to talk about what's happening within the FBI, what they're digging up, and what you can expect to see in the weeks and months ahead. A lot to get to there. Also, now we get the breaking news this weekend that Joe Biden has an aggressive form of cancer, how much of this information was kept from

you? We'll dive into all of the details, what we know, and all of the questions we still have about this, the biggest scandal in American history, really worth digging in here. And then we've got some other information coming up. We've got Mike McCormick will be here with us. He at one point, he's an amazing American. At one point he had to, he was the stenographer for Joe Biden. His job was to write down every single syllable

that came out of that guy's mouth back when he was vice president of the United States. We get Mike's reaction to all of this breaking news and what he thinks it really means. It is a big Monday. Great to have you with us here. Coming up on the show is gonna be so, so good. and what he thinks it really means. It is a big Monday. Great to have you with us here. Coming up on the show is gonna be so, so good.

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Of course they had prerecorded it last week, which is why we were able to see a teaser clip on Friday going into the weekend. And then they aired it on Maria Bartiromo's Sunday program. pre-recorded it last week, which is why we were able to see a teaser clip on Friday, going into the weekend. And then they aired it on Maria Bartiromo's Sunday program. So just to place yourself in time, the interview was done before James Comey was putting shell art together to call for a threat

against the president of the United States on a beach. So that's where they were. But fascinating to see these guys together. And I liked what I heard and I was curious about a bunch of things that I heard. Let me start with Cash Patel and Dan Bongino saying that new January 6th documents are going to be coming out over the course of the next few weeks. Cut seven, here are the two men discussing this.

What was the FBI doing? Well, we got answers coming. We just found a trove of information and it's on its way to Capitol Hill right now. And they've asked and they're getting them and you're getting answers on January 6th. You're getting answers on what sourcing was utilized, what money was utilized, how many assets were utilized,

who made those decisions. You're getting it. We can only control the FBI, but you're getting it from the FBI. Were there FBI agents undercover egging people on? Like I said, that answer is coming. And it's on its way to Congress. You're about to... I saw it. I saw the portfolio of information. We dug far and wide to find it. And I'm pretty sure now we have a conclusive, definitive answer. But you and the public are going to have it. You're going to see it in writing over to Capitol Hill.

You're getting the information. It's coming. It's being first sent to Congress. Remember, these congressional committees keep asking for information from the FBI and Cash Patel and Dan Bongina are delivering it at a breakneck speed so week after week They're sending more info over to Congress and then of course it goes public as soon as it arrives in Congress These details if I'm if I'm reading between the lines here if as we listen to these two men talk about this, Dan went out of his way to say that there's a distinction between an agent as in an undercover FBI agent

and a source, a confidential human source that is working with the FBI. And he wants people to remember that as this information comes out, that there is a difference between those two categories of people. So keep that in mind remember that as this information comes out, that there is a difference between those two categories of people. So keep that in mind when we get

whatever information emerges, the core question remains, and I hope these documents illuminate the answer to this, is to what extent was the FBI placing pressure on any of the people that it controlled inside of that building, in order to both raid the building and to induce the chaos that we saw in the events of January 6th? inside of that building in order to both raid the building

and to induce the chaos that we saw in the events of January 6th. How much of this was just astroturfed by the FBI? Those are the critical questions. And these guys are saying, look, we've pulled all these documents together and now we're releasing them to Congress, which means they're being released to you.

So we've got that transparency to look forward to coming over the next few weeks. Also, they were asked about the promotion of a guy called Steve Jensen to the Washington field office of the FBI. Jensen has been believed to be one of the signature bad guys in the FBI drama, the FBI scandal, the tyranny against the American people, the attacks

on Americans. And so it's left a lot of conservative scratching their heads. Why was Steve Jensen elevated to this important role in the Washington field office, this very important field office of the FBI? Luckily, I'm glad Maria asked about this. Here's what the fellas had to say, cut aid on the promotion of Steve Jensen. You promoted Steven Jensen, the architect of the FBI's overzealous January 6th investigation. I want the American public to realize what we did. That man was in a position where he literally fought back against the machine who was saying, we want to politicize this event. We want to politicize this event. We want to politicize this event.

And at the end of the day, remember Maria, there's a chain of command here. So you can fight back your chain of command to a certain degree before they fire you. And Steve Jensen and other folks were promoted because they embody what the American public demands of FBI agents. To get to the bottom of something like January 6th and the Pipe bomber case, for example, you need three things. You need people, you need information,

and you need people with information. I'll allow the public to put that together and just wait. And you'll see nothing we're doing, nothing is by accident. That is one of the most important clips you're gonna see from this entire interview. One of the most important. And those two men just said, they each said something that I think you and I

should spend some time mauling over. First, Cash Patel says that in Steve Jensen's case, he did everything he could to fight back against the system, but in the end, he has to do what he's told by his superiors is what Cash is explaining. Now, what that means to me, I'm sussing this out, I'm listening to this and I'm thinking deeply about it. What that means to me is that Steve Jensen is useful

in going after senior officials who abused their power and broke the law. That Steve Jensen is an important ingredient to that. Now, Cash characterized him as a decent person, saying that he was resistant to these efforts to be tyrannical and in the meantime protected his job. I have to take Cash at his word. I don't know Steve Jensen.

But I do know what I just heard suggests that they're not looking at Steve as the guy to take down. They're looking at people who were above him. People who were issuing orders, people who were abusing their power at a very high level. So Steve Jensen is a means to that end. Part two, what did you hear Dan say? He said, in order to do this, you need people,

you need information, and you need people with information. Which category do you think Steve Jensen fits into? Which category does he fit into? He's people with information. He was at the epicenter of this tyranny against the American people. He has access to the information about how all of it went down.

So again, I'm merely engaging in some educated speculation here, but why can't we view a guy like Steve Jensen as someone who they were able to now use against the evil doers? To what extent is that possible? I think it's very possible. In fact, again, I remain pleased that we get Cash Patel and Dan Bongino at the top of

the FBI. That's super important, but I think that the audio you just heard, you even heard Dan say it, I'll let the public make what they will of that, he said at the end of that clip. What that means is for you and I to look at this and go, okay, why would this make sense? Why would Steve Jensen be in this role? And the answer is he's a guy with information and there are people who were senior to him

that we wanna take down. That's what the answer was that you just heard from Cash and Dan. A valuable answer there. So interesting to hear that. Again, this all makes sense in the service of actual consequences. So we await the meaningful consequences

for the guys who waged this tyranny against the public. But insofar as we're trying to stitch together, what do we get in the interim? That's a useful piece of information from those two guys. Here's more on the quest for accountability. Cut 9. Here is Cash Patel, Dan Bongino, talking about Russiagate information. Take a look here. What we're doing now is continue to put out the documents and the information that these people withheld from the American public.

And I'm just telling you right now, as much as we know about Crossfire Hurricane, he and I just found out more last week. And we're continuing to work with Congress to put those documents out. That's how vindictive and vicious the former leadership structure here was. Not only did they bastardize the FISA process and lie to the American public, they withheld and hid documentation and put it in rooms where people weren't supposed to look. And it's a good thing we're here now to clean it up and you're about to see a wave of transparency.

What do you mean? Just give us about a week or two. About a week or two, brand new Russiagate information set to come out in the midst of all this. Now, I should point out something that Devin Nunes, the former congressman, was on with Maria Bartiromo immediately after this interview and was talking about that component of it

because he was steeped in it. He was digging up all of this Russiagate garbage when he was in Congress with Cash Patel, by the way. And imagine Cash, who's probably the single most versed person on all of this, finding out new information inside of the FBI that they're now releasing to Congress. Devin Nunes seemed to be hinting, or at least, again, educated guessing over and over

that this could have something to do with the Mueller investigation, that the data that they may have discovered may have something to do with Mueller. Now we that the data that they may have discovered may have something to do with Mueller. Now we'll see, that's a dog ear that, see if that is what actually comes out. But he believes that is Devin Nunes, and I'm talking to him on the nationwide radio show today

from 12 to three Eastern time. So I'll get into this a little more. He believes that it was Mueller's team and and that's a guy like Andrew Weissman, you know that guy, that guy's at the center of so much garbage against President Trump, the weaponization of government, that they may be exposed here by the documents that are going to be released. And you heard Cass just say it, whoever was handling all of these documents, this Russiagate stuff, they were hiding these documents. They were trying to conceal them even within the agency in order to prevent them from ever being publicly disclosed. So again, more transparency is on the

way. Now on that particular topic, Russiagate, Maria Bartiromo did push back at one point and go, wait a second, we talk about all this, but we've been talking about this story for years and we haven't seen meaningful accountability for it. And Cash had a good answer to this. Cash laid out, he's like, look, we're dealing with what we can now. And the reason that we can't place everybody under arrest

for the events of the 2016 election is because some of these things, the Statute of Limitations has completely run. It says five years of Statute of Limitations in a lot of these cases. So we are dealing with what we can deal with now. So an update on that story as well. Why did the FBI's leaders imperil the agency's reputation in terms of going after Trump in this way, tyrannically, Maria Bartiromo asked. And Dan Bongino had an answer.

Take a look at cut 10 here. Why put the FBI and its reputation at risk? What, it was just to win an election? Why? Because they're weak. Because they're weak. Because they're weak. I hate weak people. I can't stand it. They didn't have...

We're on TV, so... I already said BS once, but... They didn't have the guts, the courage, or the character to do the right thing. They did the easy thing. Donald Trump became a convenient political football. They used, they thought they could leverage. They thought with the media on their side that they'd get away with it.

They thought they'd get away with it. They thought they'd get away with it. And they would have had President Trump's voters not rallied to his side, not gotten him across the finish line, not made it in the case of the 2024 election too big to rig. They would have.

Just imagine if Hillary had won the 2016 election. There would be no rearward looking effort to get to the bottom of any of this, any of it. It would have all disappeared. There would have never been this kind of transparency that ensued only because President Trump became president not once, but now twice. That's it.

And Dan's answer is well founded, because they're weak, because they didn't have the strength to stand up on principle and say, no, you can't do this. No, you can't violate the constitutional rights of American citizens. No, you can't rig the election. You're not allowed to do that. No, they folded. They're not allowed to do that. No, they folded. They're weak people, weak people. They folded.

And they unleashed the biggest scandal in politics of our lifetimes. It's amazing. And just imagine being Dan and Cash and finding out all this, finding out new information now about all of this. Also, Dan emphasized what the actual role of the FBI is supposed to be,

which is to go after violent criminals. Here's Dan talking about the hunt for child predators, cut 11, take a look. If you're hurting a child, taking away a child's innocence, we're coming for you. Yeah, we're at knock at the door, it's not Amazon. That's gonna be us. This is a huge job and Maria not only does it destroy innocence I said to everyone in the room

say week two or three when Keshe and I put restoring justice together to go get these mutts off the street these kiddie pornographers and these animals right? I said to everyone in the room I said you know why is it gonna matter to America? Because everyone in the room is a child or a parent right? There's no immaculate conceptions here, right? I love Jesus, but there's no one in the room, right? I said, this matters. And not only that, it creates generational crime. Because abused kids then become abusers in a lot of

these cases. I said, we have a chance right now. I said, we got to go make their lives painful, these bad guys. And we went and we locked up in a month, what, 400? We saved 115 kids. And you haven't even seen the beginning because those 400, a lot of them are talking. And when you log onto that network next, you have no idea what we're doing. You think you're safe in your dark web? I promise you are absolutely not safe. You have no idea what we can do. You know, this gets to something that you've heard Dan say for years the do matters the do matters He's his thing the thing that he reiterated in the interview the thing that he reiterated on social media is like look I'm not asking you to trust me. I'm just asking you to watch. I'm just asking you to watch see what happens and

Here you are watching as hundreds of child predators are being rounded up all across the country, arrested, including some deeply, deeply demonic organizations who prey upon children, now being picked up by the FBI, arrested, taken off the streets. That's a huge deal. That's a huge deal. If you're the kind of person who's looked at the Jeffrey Epstein saga and thought,

man, I really want people to face consequences for hurting children. Well, where do you place arresting actual pedophiles and child predators on your list? It should be right there at the top. That's what you want. You want accountability. You want consequences for people who hurt the innocent. So good to see that. Now, on Epstein, this is the clip that a lot of people are chatting about this weekend. Cash and Dan both maintain now

that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself in that jail cell in Manhattan. Take a look. Here is cut 12, Cash and Dan talking about Jeffrey Epstein. You said Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide. People don't believe it. Well, I mean, listen, they have a right to their opinion. But as someone who has worked as a public defender,

as a prosecutor who's been in that prison system, who's been in the Metropolitan Detention Center, who's been in segregated housing, you know a suicide when you see one. And that's what that was. system who's been in the Metropolitan Detention Center, who's been in segregated housing. You know a suicide when you see one and that's what that was. He killed himself. Again, you want me to... I've seen the whole file.

He killed himself. So what do you do with that information? Those guys, when those guys say that, what do you do with that? Now is the answer that, oh, they've been bought off by the deep state, that they're a part of it now. It's a scam, they're trying to scam you. No, no, that's not the conclusion I walk away from that with, at all. I walk away believing that both of those men believe that Jeffrey Epstein took his life. Dan Bongino is an honest broker. believing that both of those men believe that Jeffrey Epstein took his life. Dan Bongino is an honest broker. Cash Patel is an honest broker.

They're all in, these guys. They both sincerely believe that. Now, does that satisfy my curiosity about the end, the demise of Jeffrey Epstein? No, it doesn't actually, in the end. It doesn't satisfy me because this is a story of such epic proportions and so consequential that what I would like to see is every single document that is making those guys that certain. I would encourage the Trump

administration to release all of the documents that have led to the conclusions you just heard Cash and Dan vocalize. Again, guys that I trust. But it is possible for different, honest people to look at the same information and walk away with different conclusions. Remember forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Baden, working on behalf of Jeffrey Epstein's brother is thoroughly convinced that the way Epstein's body was left was evidence of an external strangulation, that somebody had strangled him in that jail cell.

There's too many converging mysterious events to simply walk away from it and just merely accept, at least from our public standpoint, the idea that the guy committed suicide in Manhattan. Just too much. The cameras go down, the guards falsify guy committed suicide in Manhattan. Just too much. The cameras go down, the guards falsify the records, nobody does the rounds, he's left unattended. It's just too much.

So you can see why we're skeptical. You can see. And so I'm asking for more public disclosure about the underlying documents. I'm not saying Cash and Dan are wrong. I'm just saying I'd like to have the same amount of confidence that they seem to have right now. Fascinating stuff.

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going into the weekend, we get some audio of Joe Biden. It's the conversation between Robert Herr and Joe. And this is, you know, remember, this whole transcript was already released. We knew every last detail of this conversation. We just hadn't heard the audio of it. And the Biden administration fought to keep the audio from coming out because they knew that the audio would only compound the electoral problems for Joe Biden and then Kamala Harris. They knew that. So they kept it from you.

This was not a transparent administration. It was a censorious administration, sensorial administration that kept information from you. And so now it finally comes out because the Trump administration is in place. My colleague at the Daily Caller, Reagan Reese, has been asking the White House relentlessly, will there be the Robert Her audio?

Will we get to hear it? And so on Friday, we do. It gets released to Axios' Alex Thompson, who just of course co-wrote that book with Jake Tapper, where they alleged that, not just alleged, but finally admit that Joe Biden's mind wasn't working of course, co-wrote that book with Jake Tapper, where they alleged that, not just alleged, but finally admit that Joe Biden's mind wasn't working while he was president of the United States. And the ensuing audio comes to us. And here it is, cut one, audio of Biden struggling to answer

even basic questions about his theft of classified documents. Listen. Where did you keep papers that related to those things that you were actively working? Related to those things that you were actively working? Well, I don't know. This is what? 2017-18 that area? Yes, sir. Remember, in this time frame, my son has either been deployed or he's dying. Um, and uh, and so, if it was uh-

He's all over the place. What was happening though, when Bo died, uh, God, May 30th, 30th, uh- May 15th. When in 2015 he died. May 15th. I think it was 2015. Remember, Joe is bringing up Bo in his death. Robert Herr did not do that.

And what's happened in the meantime is that as Trump gets elected in November of 2017. 2016. 2016. 2016. All right. He's completely lost, completely lost. Now there's two things, there's two big takeaways from that audio.

One, Joe Biden's brain does not work. And it is crystal clear at the time of that conversation and well before that, that he's in no position to be president of the United States. Two, Miranda Devine has been focused on this, the great Miranda Devine. In the full audio, including the audio you just heard,

remember, although his brain is going, he's also attempting to summon the kind of deception necessary to justify why he stole huge categories of classified information. And we're keeping them in Delaware, in the garage, next to the Corvette, at the Biden Center, all over the place, keeping classified information he had no right to have, stolen from the federal government. So here he is trying to both obfuscate and having a limited capacity to do it. Now, remember when Robert Her released his report,

he said, Biden is a sympathetic old man with a poor memory. And so therefore I can't prosecute him. You know, no trial, no jury is gonna find him guilty because he's such a sad sack. That was basically the summary from Robert Her. And now the audio comes out and I'm seeing a bunch of lefties finally admitting or claiming what Robert Herr claims. Look, I still think Robert Herr rigged the whole thing

because the guy clearly violated the law. It's not just because you're a sympathetic elderly man with a poor memory doesn't mean the facts can't be dictated against you, which of course they could in Biden's case. We had the photographic evidence. Of course, they didn't spread the classified documents't be dictated against you, which of course they could in Biden's case. We had the photographic evidence. Of course they didn't spread the classified documents across the hood of the car.

That's the way they would have done it with Trump, of course. And Trump was in a very different situation, did not steal classified documents, not like Biden. But that's what we had going into the weekend. And then Sunday, all of a sudden, just ahead of Monday's news cycle, Biden World releases information saying that Joe Biden has aggressive cancer.

Suddenly last night, former President Joe Biden just received a diagnosis of prostate cancer on Friday, according to a Sunday announcement by his personal office. Quote, last week, President Joe Biden was seen for a new finding of a prostate nodule after experiencing increasing urinary symptoms. On Friday, he was diagnosed with prostate cancer, characterized by a Gleason score of nine, grade group five,

with metastasis to the bone, the statement reads. While this represents a more aggressive form of the disease, the cancer appears to be hormone sensitive, which allows for effective management. The president and his family are reviewing treatment options with his physicians. So wait a second, he's got stage four prostate cancer? He's got, is metastasized to his bones?

What just happened? All of a sudden, just like that? Now doctors are not buying it. Doctors are not buying it. There was a doctor who was just on News Nation last night. He's a urologist, cut four, take a look at this, who says, none of this adds up. Biden was seen by a doctor all the time. He was the president of the United States.

He has an entire medical team that hovers over him. Take a look at this, cut four. It's very unlikely that someone could get annual checkups and not notice a PSA elevation over the past, you know, but this is what I typically would see in a VA hospital, where a patient hasn't had medical attention in 10 years, presents to an emergency room with bone pain. And then they find that it's metastatic

prostate cancer. But in the modern age of medicine, especially the fact that he was a former president, he had intensive state of the art care where we can see prostate cancer 10 years in the past. So this is, I mean, it's very unusual to hear that someone has prostate cancer where they're annually being followed up. And the fact that we just find it at a Gleason 9 is just pretty much unheard of in this day and age of medicine. It's unheard of. It's unheard of. Normal people spot this with normal medical attention. President Biden had unusual medical attention. One quick note on this PSA reading

to examine whether or not he's got problems with his prostate. Every other president this century has had his prostate examined and PSA levels read out to the public to let you know the status of their prostate health. That's normal for an older man to have that examination done,

given that is one of the leading illnesses that older men come down with. prostate health, that's normal for an older man to have that examination done, given that is one of the leading illnesses that older men come down with. And Joe Biden's doctor never revealed any of that. Joe Biden's doctor actually never appeared in front of the press. They would just release glowing reports each year about how wonderfully he was doing.

And they didn't disclose any of this. So a couple of really big questions right at the gate and then we'll bring our guests in on this subject and more. One, where are the visitor logs for Delaware? The president was going to Delaware every weekend. What was he doing there? Two, where is Kevin O'Connor, President Biden's doctor? President Biden's doctor was not merely his doctor.

He was also a personal business partner of the Biden family. He had negotiated at one point going into deeper business with Jim Biden. What lies are being told here? Here's another. Does the Trump White House have access to medical records for the past president of the United States

that it can within the confines of the law disclose to the public about what they knew? None of this was disclosed. All of a sudden, now it's coming out? Nobody can believe that. Doctors can't believe that. Doctors are stunned. Oncologists, urologists are stunned by this news.

It grew so quickly, that aggressively, it doesn't add up. There's a lot to unpack here, but I think the contours of the scandal involving Joe Biden are just now coming into full relief. More in a moment as we bring in Mike McCormick, we'll do that here in just a moment. I first want to thank our sponsors. Did you know that Fast Growing Trees

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They did on Friday. And then we get this news that Biden has cancer, which certainly seems like a big distraction effort to make him seem more sympathetic right now in the midst of all of the lies we were told about his health. But honestly, at the moment, it just looks like we're being exposed to more lies

about his health. Let's dive in a little deeper with my guest, Mike McCormick, who joins us in the house now. Mike was a stenographer for Joe Biden when he was vice president of the United States. Mike, you traveled the world with Joe, so you got to see him up close and personal. And you've got your great substack.

The substack, remind us. Midnight in the laptop of good and evil. Midnight in the laptop of good and evil. So you kind of know where Mike's coming from, you can tell by the title good to see you Mike Good to see you have here man. Yeah, thanks for having me What do you make of this news that Biden is suddenly revealing that he has cancer? You know, I I worked with Doc O'Connor when I worked for Joe Biden. I traveled with him. Yeah

Don't have a lot of confidence in his truth-telling why? Well, first of all, they hid what Joe Biden was as he was getting ready to be president in 2020. Doc O'Connor was his doc all through the White House years. So, you know, I was on Fox News in September of 2020 saying, Joe Biden doesn't have the physical capacity to be the president. He doesn't have the mental capacity. He's slowing down.

You could see that. I could see that as As a stenographer, as a layman, somebody was close to him. You're just looking at a way that this guy does not have what it takes. Right. So then they put together this fake pandemic. They hid him in the basement. They put together a fake election. They stole the election, in my opinion. I've written books on it. You know that. Yeah. And so then he gets into the presidency and they so here's here's something that I know from right as soon as he got into the White House. Every president gets a chance to get in front of the Super Bowl audience to do a Super Bowl

interview. Yeah. So in twenty seven, twenty twenty one, Joe Biden's fresh into the White House. He gets on CBS to do an interview with Nora O'Donnell. She promotes it. We're gonna do a 20 minute interview with Joe Biden. It was only 12 minutes long. So they already had to cover for him.

That's CBS covering for him. So they knew, the media knew, the White House doctors knew. I personally think, you know, my personally for my my stance on where Joe Biden is with his health, I hope for the best possible outcome for him. I think he should recover and then confess his crimes. Amen. So my, like I've seen a lot of the social media reaction right away. People are like, Oh, give him some time.

Don't criticize him. Let's let the family deal with this. David Axelrod was on television yesterday, immediately saying that what needs to happen here is all of the concern about his mental state needs to be muted right now while people are concerned about his health. And I'm just saying that's garbage. Look, what you said is right. Just obviously, you don't want to see anybody suffer. It doesn't matter.

They're stationed in life. But I'm telling you, if every other detail about this guy's life has been a lie, which of course it has been, why wouldn't we assume that there's a lot of dishonesty that has led up to the announcement we heard yesterday? That's right. And so I went back and I looked at the transcript of the interview, her interview. I didn't listen to the audio. I looked at the transcript because I'm a transcript guy. Right. That for Joe. So the transcript had some really interesting revelations to me that Joe Biden's to me right now now this story that Axelrod is promoting

this this health we'll call it a health scare is a cover story for the cover story yes right yeah her interview was a cover story I mean he starts the interview off and he says I'm just here to write a report so he's a special counsel that's all a special counsel does they just write a report. So he's a special counsel. That's all a special counsel does. They just write a report and turn it over to Mara Garland, who makes a decision whether or not to prosecute anything they see in there. Wait, Herr said at the beginning of the transcript that he was just there to write a report. Yeah. Is it? Yeah. So he told Joe up front that there will be no prosecutions that come from this? No, he goes, we're here to write a report. That's his sort of opening introductory statement.

Yes. We're interviewing you here to write a report. But Herr said in his report that the reason that he wasn't recommending charges is because Joe Biden demonstrated in that interview that he was an elderly, sympathetic man with a poor memory. Right. So what you're describing, I just wanna notate for a moment.

What you're describing is that her is being duplicitous because her walks into the room and says, we're just writing a report, instantly giving away the game, and then would later use the conversation as a quote justification not to charge him. Right. Okay.

Yeah, that's what I read in the transcript. Yeah. So keep it on with the transcript. Transcripts, when you do an interview for a transcript, usually there's about one minute of speaking at normal pace to a page of transcription. Joe Biden was speaking at a normal pace. He wasn't wandering. He wasn't lost.

It pretty much tracked with how he spoke. And from reading the transcript, I could see things in there where he was asked a question and he would come right back with a direct answer. Like he wasn't fumbling for words. The little portion that you played, that audio portion to me was, it was kind of like one of those mafia dons who all of a sudden pretends when he's in court

that he's like fumbling and he's old and he can't really be trying to get the jury to be sympathetic. That's what I took that as yes and they cut that little piece out to make that audio so what everybody heard this gets to what I was saying about Miranda Devine a moment ago he was leaning into the frailty routine in order to evade the obvious thing which is he stole classified information yeah and there's more in there. So one of the things that they asked him that was really interesting to me was they asked him about there's this classification you have on all

these files for four eyes only, right? Eyes only. That's not something that they needed to find out about. That's not it doesn't. It doesn't relate directly to their crime. They were investigating. They were investigating whether it was, he had, he had chopped secret clearance files or classified files, but they had a whole bunch of files that were eyes only. So they asked him, what's this mean? And he goes, Oh, those are the files that I have from my group that we discuss amongst ourselves to keep away from Biden and his group. That would be Axelrod.

That's why Axelrod is coming out and saying this stuff. So in other words, Joe Biden and his group, his inner circle, were doing stuff within the White House, eyes only, they didn't want Obama to know about. To keep from Obama and his guys. Because they had stuff they had to do. Yeah, but there's Obama, okay. To keep from Obama and his guys. Yeah. Because they had stuff they had to do. Yeah, but there's also, okay. I mean there is no, there's not supposed to be any such category of classification that the president's not allowed to see it. Right, but it's in his files and they're all of a sudden looking at his files and there's this eyes only. What is this stuff? Why is he got eyes only? And it was a really interesting

comment from him and he's like, yeah, that's just us talking amongst ourselves, because we have stuff that we talk amongst ourselves that we have to argue against Joe Biden. I mean, argue against Obama. Yes. Yeah, okay. All right. So in terms of like the Biden that you got to see, are you surprised at all by this news, the way it rolled out this weekend? No, no. I mean, I mean, this is this is hallmark Biden world sympathetic stuff. Yeah, lying for the sympathies. I mean, that's what was in that clip, right? Yeah, he gets he gets pushed a little bit and

And I think they were asking him about the Biden-Penn Center. Yep. They were specifically asking about that So then he goes into this. Oh, yeah, Bo and I and he gets into this sort of sympathy mode That's what his Operations been all along so going back 50 years What we saw Joe Biden pushed out in front of a couple of interviews a week or two ago where he does the view he first he did the BBC interview and then he did the view and The reason that he's doing these interviews appears to be that they're trying to salvage

the Biden family's reputation because the income has dried up. Mark Halperin was saying that all of their income sources are collapsing because he doesn't have the levers of power anymore. Nobody's buying the macaroni art from Hunter Biden. So they need to figure out a way out of this. So if you use that as a rubric for understanding everything

that we're witnessing, it kind of makes sense right now that they're trying to get past the Biden's brain doesn't work saga by introducing the, oh, Biden has cancer, how dare you talk about his health in a critical way. Right, right. So that's where we are. So there was a couple of other things that came through this transcript that I read. One was, um, he went into very deep, great detail about a case that he worked

on when he was first a lawyer back in Wilmington in the early sixties, like 66 or 67, something like that. He was elected to the Senate in 1972. So it was around 68 maybe. Yeah. He was a lawyer. And he talked about this in like amazing detail. And the thing is, all through the the interview he has, they ask him, what about these files? I don't know about that. My staff knows about that. Did you have anything to do with this? No, I didn't have anything that staff just did it So he always put everything on his staff but this this chunk of information comes from time before he ever had staff and

He nailed it I mean the the details that he had on the inch so this basically the story is He was a lawyer for a company that was defending DuPont in an industrial accident The guy who was injured got so badly injured, Joe Biden felt guilty, walked across the street and became a public defender. And that's when his whole life shifted into this do good guy. Well, he goes into the details of this industrial accident. And I was reading going like, because he's spoken about this in the past that I've heard in speeches yes and I was like this guy is

digging up details from his past with no problem wait is this the industrial accident where the guy accidentally burned his junk off yes okay yeah yeah that that does appear in the transcript I remember that right the wilder moments yeah and what and also again what does this have to do with whether or not you stole classified documents? Right. Biden is telling stories about a dude who burned his junk off as a way to filibuster and charm the investigators. I was a good guy. Yeah, I was really helping. So that that's typical Biden. The other thing he gets into was there was a photo of I think there was a photo they were looking at of him with a bow and arrow.

And he talks about this trip he took to Mongolia. And I was on that trip with him. And I remember the trip. Well, he started going into details about the trip that I, it jogged my memory. So he really had a control of the facts, both from long ago and from his vice presidency, as he's sitting down, the interviews took place on October 8th and 9th, 2023. Yeah. So at that point, he thinks he's gonna be president in a year, right? He thinks, I just

got to get through this interview, I just got to flush flush my way through it. And I'll get well, and also the only way the only reason the Biden administration even entertained this was because they were doing a box checking exercise to pretend like they were more responsible than Trump. Right. The whole reason they did the Robert Herth thing was to try and use it as a weapon against Trump. Look at me, look how responsible I am. I'm working with the special counsel. Any problems that we might have we're resolving it was meant to be a

Theatrical stunt and in the end it blew up in his face, right? So there was one more really significant thing that I saw in this transcript He talks about this big letter that he wrote to Obama on Thanksgiving night 2009 he sits down and hands writes and writes this letter. And there was some usage of classified documents as he's compiling this letter. Well, one of the things that he wrote in the letter and they asked him and he said this, they didn't ask him for to talk about the classified stuff that he had in the letter. He exposed the classified stuff they had in the letter. He exposed the classified stuff they had in the letter. He said, yeah, I was writing to Obama because I was the foreign policy expert and Obama was new and he needed me to sort of back him up.

He said we were talking about Afghanistan and I asked, I told him we have to ask questions about what do we do when we kill Osama bin Laden in Pakistan? And what do we do when the Taliban takes over? And how are we going to continue to train? He was talking about McChrystal because he was over there with General Stanley McChrystal. This is 2009, he's writing this. They didn't know officially that Osama bin Laden was in Pakistan. They officially didn't know. But in this thing, he writes Osama bin Laden, what do we do when we

kill Osama bin Laden in Pakistan? He wasn't Iran, he didn't use Iran, he specifically used Pakistan. He didn't use Iran. He specifically used Pakistan and it jumped out at me because in 2005 I went to Pakistan with Cheney and we took a helo trip right over a Bata Bad Yes, where Osama bin Laden was killed. Yes and so I think what happened was the US had Osama bin Laden on ice stashed in a Bata Bad and and Cheney and and Bush had set it up with the Pakistanis and then Biden took it over. I have some documents that I can show you that. It's crazy. I mean the reality of course for that war is that the United States was funding both sides of it. We were sending money through

Pakistan and then it went to al Qaeda and it was being used against Americans. Right. It's, it is disgraceful. Right. What took place there. So here's, this is a couple, this is why it jumped out at me. So I did this trip with him. This is a, one of the pieces from the, from the press thing. So that's the Hilo tour that we took with Cheney. And we fly from an airport, Chalacala Airport, up into this area,

where the USAID is funding earthquake relief. Well, along the way is a badabot. It's right about there. You can see it. So he flew right over the top of a badabot. Dick Cheney and press. the press on the trip was ABC Terry Moran who just got manhandled by Trump in the White House. Yeah the AP Fox News James Rosen was on the trip and Dana Bash was on the trip with

CNN yes in this transcript that Biden's talking about, so this is 2009, he's writing this letter and in 2023, he's telling them about this transcript. He talks about Panetta. Leon Panetta was the guy who had sort of, he's conversing, he's going back and forth with Panetta at this time. Panetta was in charge of the CIA. Panetta's chief of staff was Dana Bash's ex-husband. Yes, Jeremy. Jeremy Bash. Yes. So in 2005 when Dana Bash is on this trip, she's flying over Abbottabad. She lands in this area and she goes and interview with Cheney and she goes, we hear that Osama bin Laden is in other parts of Afghanistan. Do you know where he is? And Cheney goes, Dana, I can't answer your question.

And this is in a White House transcript that I did that was on that trip. And he goes, Dana, I can't answer your question. And she goes, do you know where he is? He's like, no, I can't answer your question. It's an I can neither confirm nor deny right but at the time her husband who then becomes chief of staff of the CIA yes I think gave her information you're gonna go to a badabot and this is why you're going there because they have Osama bin Laden and ICE. I've looked into CIA websites. Man, this is huge.

Yeah, CIA websites. Yeah. And they have, I've taken screenshots. I put it on my sub stack. Screenshots of CIA surveillance photos of a badabot from 2004 and 2005. So this trip is December 2005. Can you imagine?

So they knew the whole time. The idea that yeah, that the guy we've been hunting and that all those lives were lost, you know, would be known by the United States to be there for that long. That another one, another epic scandal. If that's if that's all true, another epic scandal that Joe Biden was directly involved on. Right. You're keeping updates on all that on that story and more on your excellent substack again, Midnight in the laptop of good and evil. Midnight in the laptop of good and evil. Mike McCormick. Hey, thanks for thanks for stopping by today. Thanks for having me. Really good to see you here. The great Mike McCormick. Great, great guest. And just imagine, you know, getting a being a guy like Mike and working all those years alongside Joe Biden, getting to see him front and center and then transcribing his everywhere.

Every time I see Mike, I joke about that. I can't even believe you had to write down every syllable that came out of that guy's mouth. Remarkable. Hey, before we go today, I want to make sure to hit some of the other big things that are happening in the news, some of the craziness that's out there.

Tim Walls, remember him, Tampon Tim Walls? He is, instead of supporting American law enforcement, the left is attacking ICE agents again. Here's Tim Walls calling immigration and customs enforcement agents who are making these deportations around the country. In his words, the Gascapo, take a look, cut 13, here's Tim. Donald Trump's modern day Gascapo

is scooping folks up off the streets. They're in unmarked vans, cut 13, here's Tim. Donald Trump's modern day guesstapo is scooping folks up off the streets. They're in unmarked vans, wearing masks, being shipped off to foreign torture dungeons. No chance to mount a defense, not even a chance to kiss a loved one goodbye, just grabbed up by masked agents, shoved into those vans and disappeared. To be clear, there's no way for us to know

whether they were actually criminals or not, because they refuse to give them a trial That's disgraceful that's disgraceful that's a commencement speech that he was for some reason asked to give And he goes and he attacks law enforcement stands up for illegal alien rapists and murderers and attacks law enforcement. Calls them the, he meant to say Gestapo, but he called them the Gestapo.

That guy's a scumbag. Thank God that he never became vice president of the United States. What a weirdo that dude is. And so there's Tim Walz standing. And so there was a reaction to this. The Department of Homeland Security posted a statement in reaction to Tim Walz standing. And so there was a reaction to this. The Department of Homeland Security posted a statement in reaction to Tim Walz's stupidity this weekend,

saying, quote, it is absolutely sickening to compare ICE law enforcement agents to the Gestapo. Attacks and demonization of ICE and our partners is wrong. ICE officers are now facing a 413% increase in assaults. Our message is clear, do not come to this country illegally. facing a 413% increase in assaults. Our message is clear, do not come to this country illegally. If you do, we will arrest you, deport you, and you will never return. Wanna emphasize something.

First of all, for the ICE agents and the families of the ICE agents, thank you. Thank you for doing your job. Thank you for being out there for us. Thank you for doing your job. Thank you for being out there for us. Thank you for securing our country. Thank you for protecting our sovereignty in our communities. Thank you.

These ICE officers were handcuffed during the Biden era. They weren't allowed to do their jobs. The left actively worked against them, both within the administration and in these sanctuary cities and states across the country. Now, thanks to the president, they're once again able to do that job, and it's a dangerous one.

For DHS to relay that these ICE officers are now facing a 413% increase in assaults, not a small thing. The left, like they've done with President Trump and the people who work for him directly, they're now doing it to ICE agents as well. And they have been for years. The left has a special animosity for immigration enforcement.

They've put a target on the backs of ICE officers. They've treated them like garbage, left an impression in the eyes of the crazy left wing base that ICE officers are deserving of contempt, scorn, and attack. And so now you've seen a 413% increase in attacks on ICE officers. So all the more reason I say thank you, thank you to the guys who are actually trying

to protect our country right now, and getting around the country to deport these vile people from our, they shouldn't be here, they shouldn't be here. And they deserve our support, not our contempt. What you heard from Tampon Tim Walls a moment ago. Also, speaking of immigration, Hillary Clinton also was on a stage this past weekend,

and she was mocking the idea that Americans need to have more children. She said that this is why we have immigrants. Take a look, cut 14, Hillary Clinton attacking Americans.. The people who produce the most children in our country are immigrants and they want to deport them. So none of this adds up. But one of the reasons why our economy did so much better than comparable advanced economies across the world is because we actually had a replenishment, because we had a lot of immigrants, legally and undocumented, who had a larger than normal, by American standards, family. So this is just another one of their, you know, make America great again by returning

to the lifestyles and the economic arrangements of not just the 1950s, I mean, let's keep going back as far as we can and see what happens. What an elitist witch she is. So her preferred society is one where she craps all over Americans. She just sees everyone as someone who works for her in the end.

She doesn't care that you have illegal aliens who are being exploited for ungodly low wages at the expense of both them and American workers. She's perfectly happy with the status quo of that system. Perfectly happy. And there she is defending it. You know who sucks? Americans.

They don't even make babies. We need to bring in people, both, you heard her say, legally and undocumented. Well, what's the opposite of legally? It's not undocumented. The opposite of undocumented will be documented. So what are you even talking about? She said legally and undocumented.

No, legally and illegally coming into the United States. And not only, this is classic lefty nonsense. Not only is she saying that it's totally fine that illegals are coming into the country, now she's admitting that, she's saying it's better. Why is it better? They're better than Americans. They have children.

We get workers out of them. At least they're giving us something unlike those horrible Americans. My God, I am so grateful that she lost and that it was President Trump who beat her. All right. I've got a lot more to say. I'm going to say a lot more of it today on the national radio show, 12 to three

Eastern time, you can watch that on rumble.com slash Vince or go to the Vince show.com. We've got your local listings for your radio stations up there. I'll be back with you tomorrow on this show. Vince, I hope you have a great day.