The Dan Bongino Show - Are We Really Being Told The Full Story? | Episode 190

Episode Date: December 17, 2025

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So I'll give you my quick rundown on this story if you'd like. And here's what I'm thinking about all of it. So yesterday morning, the New York Times, I said Vanity Fair, but let me start the new york times runs a derivative piece like a condensed heavily distorted recitation of the vanity fair interviews that susy wiles has apparently been doing over the course of the entire trump administration she did 11 of these things with a guy called chris whipple which is a hilarious name but she was talking to this guy pretty candidly and in her candid conversations with this Vanity Fair reporter,

she said a couple of things, including that she said that President Trump has an alcoholic's personality. Now, that got drilled down to just that quote. The New York Times delivered it as, oh, he's got an alcoholic's personality. Susie Wiles, crapping all over President Trump. And they made it seem like she was just completely out of control

and she hated everybody around her and she was shit-talking the whole administration. That was the frame-up from the New York Times yesterday. But if you spend five minutes actually looking for the details on all of this, you begin to realize that the New York Times had really distorted what the hell Susie Wiles was even saying. And Vanity Fair, for its part, was also trying to imply that there was some sort of underlying drama going on between various members of the administration, Susie Wiles, the president, J.D. Vance, Marco Rubio. it was all kind of one big wrap-up smear. And insofar as Susie Wiles has any culpability here, it's in talking to Vanity Fair.

Nothing that she said in these interviews, and by the way, she's not denying any of the quotes. Nothing that she said is actually controversial or crazy or worth throwing a shit fit over. In fact, it was all fine. I have some quibbles, a couple policy quibbles with her. I'll get into those in just a moment. But for the most part, it was totally fine.

Certainly the interpersonal stuff. I wasn't scandalized by any of it. The worst thing is that she talked to Vanity Fair. Who gives us shit about Vanity Fair? Why are we even talking to these useless, dried up, shriveled, feckless, dangerous in the past, certainly, and useless publications who have no bearing on the average American, it's like kind of like an old way of thinking. It's like, why don't we suck up to Vanity Fair? Maybe they'll give us glowing coverage. They're not going to give you glowing coverage.

They took a bunch of shitty photos of you, put them online, and then tried to crap all over you after you gave them rampant access. How many times do you have to get smacked by these evildoers before you realize they're never going to play ball with you? They're never going to be nice to you, and you're never going to come out looking even fair. Forget good, even just given a fair treatment. So stop talking to vanity fair. That's the sin in all this. But the rest of it, it's a joke. It's a joke.

it used to be in the old days a decade or go or 20 years ago if you had an interview that didn't go well with vanity fair oh no it could actually signal the end of your political career you'd have to be like getting your resume together get your cardboard box carry everything out of the office nowadays it's a total joke nobody cares nobody cares yesterday the whole Trump administration rallied behind susie wiles they're like she's great she's actually kind of holding the whole thing together she's been a wonderful chief of staff as don junior said yesterday while so many other republicans were abandoned Donald Trump after the 2020 election, Susie Wiles didn't. She stayed by his side. She fought with him and she helped get him across the finish line in 2024. Susie Wiles is loyal to President Trump and in turn, President Trump is loyal to her. Yesterday President Trump said he's perfectly fine with Susie Wiles. He's very happy with her. They met yesterday.

They talked and everything seems to be going great. And God willing, it continues to be the case. But let me dwell on some of the big items for a moment that the quotes that everybody's obsessing over this whole thing that oh Donald Trump has an alcoholic's personality what do you think she's talking about what do you think she's even talking about Donald Trump doesn't drink so the media are pretending obviously like oh Donald Trump is a total drunk that explains why he's so crazy no that it doesn't even make any sense that that recitation of facts so once you actually start looking at the quotes here's what you learn

Susie Wiles was reflecting on the big personalities that she's known throughout her own life. That would include her own father, the famous Pat Summerall. Most of us know him by his longtime existence and work in the booth, in the football booth alongside John Madden, the legendary Pat Summerall. Pat Somerall was an alcoholic. She grew up with an alcoholic father. And fortunately, for Pat Somerall and their family, the final two decades of his life, he was completely sober. He was able to conquer that particular issue in his life. But he was a big personality is what she was explaining to this interviewer.

She was trying to open up her heart. She was explaining the way she thinks about the world. And she said that alcoholics tend to, especially when they're drinking, have these grandiose views of what they can achieve, these sort of unfettered views of the world and what they can actually accomplish. And if you've ever encountered somebody like this, you know exactly what she's talking about. But here's the difference. When she says Donald Trump has an alcoholic's personality,

she's not saying he's a drunk. She's saying that he similarly has limitless views about what he's able to achieve, except he doesn't drink. So you get someone who is literally incapacitated by their drinking, saying ridiculous, grandiose things, versus a guy who has limitless thinking who's not a drunk. He's not a drunk at all.

In fact, he has spent his... his life using that limitless thinking to achieve great wealth for himself, great success for himself. And he's now turned around and he's using those skills for the rest of us. So what was really going on was Susie Wiles was just being plain spoken. She was talking to you like talking to that reporter as if he was her friend, like the kind of thing you might say in your kitchen over a glass of wine as you assess what it's like to work for President Trump. And by the way, if that's the worst that she said about him, the real story is that Susie Wiles

actually thinks very highly of Donald Trump. She wasn't crapping on him in her most candid moments. She was saying that he's a man with limitless thinking. It's actually a compliment for the guy. So the whole thing has been turned into something that it's not, is basically the point that I'm making.

And Vanity Fair, for its part, in the way that they distorted this too, they described a moment where J.D. Vance was having his photos taken. and he says to the photographer I'll pay you $100 for every person who you take a photo of who looks shittier than I do

in other words like make everybody else look crappy that was J.D. Vance's joke and then he goes and if it's Marco I'll give you a thousand dollars Vanity Fair described that as quote underlying tension being revealed in the administration now I don't know what world these idiots come from

but here's the world that I come from if I tell a photographer hey would you make sure that all my buddies look shittier than I do would you do that what is that well one it's self-effacing suggesting that I look shitty to begin with and two it's ribbing it's just giving your boys a little bit of shit that's the whole point these humorless idiots write it down as if it's a sign of drama in the administration now is there going to be disagreements and perhaps very vocal disagreements going on between people inside of any administration yes these are a bunch of

These are type A personalities all show up to work every day with perhaps in some cases small but also big differences of opinion about the way to get things done. But they all work for the final decider, the one guy, the guy you elected, the president of the United States. And that's the way that guy has to forge ahead. We live in a world where there's way less drama in this Trump administration than there was in the first one. So while everybody's trying to like create drama like Vanity Fair in the New York Times, the rest of us, we should be laughing it off. it's stupid and you and i both know how many rodeos have we been through now we both know that we are literally one truth social post away from the media moving on to the next thing and pretending like it's the smear or the scandal that's going to take down the trump presidency so again and

a jd 1063 i hope you're not talking to me because that's a dumb opinion stop making excuses for enforced errors i'm not making excuses for any unforced errors i started my conversation by saying Susie Wiles should not have talked to Vanity Fair. That's the mistake here. But the rest of it, the lasting consequences, it's bullshit. It means nothing. It means nothing. Literally everyone's going to move on.

The people who love Trump and the people who hate them. Everybody's going to move on. I've seen this too many times. I have a Vulcan-like assessment of the way these things go. It's all very stupid. It's all completely stupid. Also, apparently Susie Wiles said in the quotes that, that J.D. Vance is, what did he say? she said he's been a conspiracy theorist for a decade and jd yesterday goes um he was on he was in allentown

pennsylvania yesterday and he goes conspiracy theorist you're damn right i'm a conspiracy theorist the only things i'm a conspiracy theorist about are all the things that end up being real conspiracies he says boy do we have a lot of evidence for that you know trump russia collusion was a complete hoax the wuhan institute of urology was of course the source of the virus you know the masks don't work. There's, you know, the jab doesn't stop transmission. You know, the jab actually has in many cases terrible consequences for people. Oh, he's a conspiracy theorist. At this point, if you don't theorize about the conspiracies that are being done against us, you have not been paying attention to the conspiracies that have been done against us. So good, good for J.D.

Vance. That's it. All right, then, let's move on. And because Clipso Bikes is the producer of this program we will now move on thank you calypso all right so here's the thing uh that we get so i said to you a moment ago we're one truth social post away from everybody going hysterical about something else well sure enough we got a truth social post we got a truth social post last night from the president of the united states about venezuela and of course the media are going apoplectic apoplectic about all of this and here's what the president said you ready for this i'm going to i'm going to i'm going to break it down for you because I think people need to understand what the hell's going on in Venezuela. Our media have no idea, by the way.

Like, we've got all sorts of people in the legacy press. We're like, what is Trump talking about? He's just making stuff up. He's really? He's making stuff up. All right, let's assess it. Here's what President Trump said in the truth social piece. Venezuela is completely surrounded by the largest armada ever assembled in the history of

South America. It will only get bigger. And the shock to them will be like nothing they have ever seen before. until such time as they return to the United States of America all of the oil, land, and other assets that they previously stole from us. You got that? Oil, land, other assets that they previously stole from us.

Dwell on that, all right? We'll get back to it. The illegitimate Maduro regime is using oil from these stolen oil fields to finance themselves. Drug, terrorism, human trafficking, murder, and kidnapping. For the theft of our assets and many other reasons, including terrorism, drug smuggling, and human trafficking, the Venezuelan regime has been designated a foreign terrorist organization.

Therefore, today, I'm ordering a total and complete blockade of all sanctioned oil tankers going into and out of Venezuela. The illegal aliens and the criminals that the Maduro regime has sentenced to the United States during the week in anept Biden administration are now being returned to Venezuela at a rapid pace. America will not allow criminals, terrorists, or other countries to rob, threaten, or harm our nation, and likewise will not allow a hostile regime to take our oil, our land, or any other assets, all of which must be returned to the United States immediately. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Donald J. Jump, president of the United States. All right, so here's the reaction we're seeing today. And I saw it immediately last night after President Trump posted this. He posted this 646 Eastern Time. and going into last night into the evening, I can't tell you how many legacy media idiots I saw posting online. President Trump is making this up.

Venezuela hasn't taken anything from us. What land did Venezuela take? What oil did they take? What is he even talking about? He's so crazy. Get him out of there. The guy's a nut job. And as usual, they're either ignorant

or they're lying or some degree of both. And here's what's going. going on? The United States built Venezuela's oil industry. Let me repeat that. The United States is responsible. U.S. industry is responsible for building Venezuela's oil industry. That is true. But these days, the United States does not control what we built. Why is that? Did we sell it off willingly? Did we give it to them as a gift? Did we say, hey, we're just going to walk away from the largest proven reserves on the entire planet? Hundreds of billions of barrels of oil have been found? Is that what we're doing? No, that's not what we did. In fact, as you know, the former

communist leader of that country, Hugo Chavez, and now Nicholas Maduro, his understudy, have over the course of the last few decades been stealing from us so when the president says they were stealing they were literally stealing from us how did they do that well if you go back to for instance 2007 let's go to 2007 2007 when you still have hugo shavez in charge check out this headline at the time this is from the record online exon mobile and conoco phillips had to pull out of their Venezuela oil projects. Why is that? Well, the U.S. oil giants, Exxon and ConocoPhillips, decided that they were not going

to sell majority stakes in their Venezuelan oil presence to the country of Venezuela. In that case, Hugo Chavez was demanding, you want to stay in my country? You have to sell the majority of your company's operations here to us. We will take, not just sell it. take majority ownership of it so that way we can collect the profits of your work of your efforts of what you built we want the profits was the position that mature that hugo chavez took so they began to steal it they stole it and so exon and conoco said we're not interested in that we're not doing that so they moved out of the country entirely exon and conical phillips said we're getting out

now chevron did not by the way chevron gave up a majority of of the control of their operations in Venezuela to the Venezuelans. They made a decision to give up huge portions of their operations rather than give up all of their business in the country. But they did it under duress. They did it with a gun to their head. So Chevron was forced to give up a ton. And then Conoco, Phillips, and ExxonMobil, they just left the country entirely.

And when they did, they left their contracts behind, their oil drilling behind, their infrastructure behind. And Venezuela seized all of it. They stole it. So after we built it, Venezuela stole it. That's what happened under Hugo Chavez. Additionally, this happened again under Nicholas Maduro. Maduro also has seized oil assets from oil companies based in the United States, American oil companies,

including in 2013, when Maduro seized oil rigs from a Houston-based company called Superior Energy Services. they have a state oil monopoly they steal everything from us and finally president trump is saying we're going to do something about this so in in so far as like the media are pretending like this doesn't happen is a total fiction they haven't taken anything from us that's not true at all it's entirely true that the venezuelans led by hugo shavez and nicholas maduro have been stealing what we built and they didn't that's just the truth and so that brings us to kind of the point of the president's remarks. Now, what is the president doing, excuse me, what is Venezuela doing with the ill-gotten oil proceeds that they're stealing from us? Well, the answer to that is

they're funding terror. They're funding the drug trade. They're using their oil industry to supercharge and underbid us, by the way, supercharge some of the biggest adversaries we have on the planet. You know that 80% of Venezuela's oil exports go to China? 80%. So the Chinese are all over South America. They're definitely in bed with Venezuela and they're taking massive amounts of oil exports directly from that country, which, again, is under sanctions from the United States. That if for those of you playing along at home, you'll be reminded that's also true from Iran as well. Remember, Iran sends 90% of its oil exports to China. So China is the reason that the reason that the, these horrific regimes who are continuing creating chaos on our planet, often at the expense

of the United States of America specifically, China is the reason that they continue to be supercharged. So if you're wondering what's leading to this, well, there are a whole bunch of things leading to this moment, from the sanctions to the Chinese influence over Venezuela, to the president trying to restore order, especially in the Western Hemisphere, to the drug trade to the trafficking to the cartels. President Trump is sincere about this. And now the Navy is surrounding the country of Venezuela and the president just announced it. Now, I've got more on this in a moment because I do want to talk about, you know, what the hell is going on with American energy right now? And what is the administration saying about this? We get a big address from

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That's Patriotmobile.com slash Vince or call 972 Patriot with the promo code Vince. Join me and make that switch today. By the way, Stephen Miller is weighing in this morning on what's going on. I like Stephen Miller because he's smart and very capable of explaining what the hell is happening. uh in our country right now miller said the following he said american sweat ingenuity and toil created the oil industry in venezuela created it's tyrannical expropriation expropriation is a fancy word for theft the tyrannical theft of our stuff was the largest recorded theft of american wealth and property ever these pillaged assets were then used to fund terrorism and

flood our streets with killers, mercenaries, and drugs. Which leads me to what the president of the United States should do tonight. President Trump has announced that he has an address to the nation this evening at 9 p.m. It is incumbent on this White House to explain all of this as carefully and as clearly as humanly possible. and I think it's going to take multiple people. President Trump obviously has a very blunt presentation. He's just going to state flatly the most basic recitation of the facts. He's very good at it, great communicator, great at, I think, winning people over. So he's going to be really important to this mission. But tonight, as he's talking about looking back at this last year and then looking forward to the next, I think it's incumbent on the president in the White House to really carefully explain, why is it that the United States Navy is surrounding an entire country right now and blockading the oil that's going in and out of it. I think Americans deserve a really clear request from our leaders that we all buy in to what's going on. That's really critical because I know your instincts are like mine, which is we've arrived at a place where we're

suspicious of the use of our military by any party. We want clear answers on how this directly serves the American interest. Now, I've pointed out, this is the theft of American goods. This is the theft of American industry. That is true. President Trump is not lying about that. And all of this has been used to finance some of the most dastardly and despicable things that have happened to the United States of America. And as we know from U.S. history, it is important that we have control of the Western Hemisphere. We can't allow China to have a foothold all over South America. We can't allow this chaos to continue. We need to bring stability to our hemisphere. fear. That's the Monroe Doctrine for the 21st century, and President Trump seems to be enforcing

it. But you and I can't be the only ones who are thinking like this and talking about this. And so I think it's important that the president used tonight to explain really clearly what's going on. And then beyond that, send the guys out who are great at explaining it. Send the Stephen Miller's out. Send the J.D. Vance's out. Send, you know, the energy secretary, Chris Wright out. Send Pete Higgs out. Just get, just, and Caroline Levitt. Who could forget Caroline Levitt? Deploy the field and just get everybody out there and making sure that the American people are bought in

that's really, really crystal clear and we'll see where this goes from here. One other thing on energy, and then we've got so much to get to and I'm hoping I can fit it all in today. One other thing on energy. Right now, energy prices are relatively low, are relatively low,

and that's for a number of reasons. President Trump has kicked down all the regulatory barriers to American energy production. That's been a huge thing. It's been great for the American. American energy industry. But another facet of this is President Trump has not gotten in the way and, in fact,

has kind of encouraged all the oil-producing countries around the world that we're working with, in particular the Arab countries, to keep producing vast quantities of energy to export all around the planet because President Trump is trying to bring energy prices down entirely. Now, I'll tell you, for those of you work in the American energy industry, this is not ironically as much as president trump is not getting in the way in a regulatory way ironically it's also put a damper on the profits of the industry the energy industry and with oil with barrel prices getting down to around $55 a barrel you know you talk to oil energy experts

and they're like well it's better if it's in between like $60 to $80 a barrel because if it is you're generating profits you're covering your expenses you can drill new wells it creates incentives to actually pursue more energy production. So we're in an interesting moment. What's happening right now is President Trump is encouraging both American energy production and also international energy production. He's also doing that.

And the reason for that, I think you and I can kind of instinctively tell, is he's trying to bring down energy prices as low as possible because he knows that that's going to supercharge the rest of the economy. The cheaper the energy is, the more the rest of the economy will be stimulated.

Does that mean the energy industry is going to kind of take it in the shorts for a little bit? Potentially. Potentially. But the long tail expectations are if the whole economy starts skyrocketing as a result of these moves, both bringing down the cost of energy and bringing down the cost of the dollar, which President Trump is trying to do, especially by replacing Jerome Powell coming up next year, if he can do those things, he thinks he's going to be able to stimulate a lot of capital investment in the United United States. It's going to require a lot more energy consumption and that'll be a boon in the long run to the American energy industry. So he's trying to pull off kind of a perfect landing, don't you think? The idea is like he wants to stick this landing and he's moving as aggressively as possible to do that. So this conversation about energy that we're looking at right now, which includes Venezuela, to be clear, is very much all keeping in line with President Trump's overall goal to stimulate the American economy to unseen

levels. He's trying to attract investment, trying to get energy prices down, try to lower the price of the dollar, get a whole bunch of capital investment going into the next year, and bam, bam, thank you, ma'am, the whole economy skyrockets. But to do this, it's not simple. This is complicated business, folks, and President Trump is trying to attack it on all fronts. So in case you're wondering, what the hell's going on here, that seems to be what's going on here. That's my best assessment. We've got more ahead on the program. We've got, I want to get to what is going on at Brown University. I think we are moving from a situation where these are like the incompetent keystone cops to,

they are actively covering up details of what happened at Brown University this past weekend. There is a cover up going on. Can you smell it? I can smell it too. We're going to explore. Why are they doing press conferences? Have you noticed how stupid these press conferences are? Every time they open their fat sucks, they have nothing to offer but way more.

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great never late we've got some details for that for you on that he's talking about what's going on at brown university brand university's like literally erasing entire web pages right now not answering questions not giving us any details and deleting things that already exist on the internet what the hell is this exactly we'll talk about it that's ahead but first rachel bovard is here with us today she joins us from the conservative policy institute she's got a lot of experience in the united states senate and we turn to her oh so frequently for information on what the heck is going on in the Senate. Rachel Beauvard, great to see you. Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas, Vince. Thanks for having me. Okay, so President Trump is pounding the drum again

this week. Get rid of the blue slip. J.D. Vance, pounding the drum again, get rid of the blue slip. And we just heard John Soon say a couple days ago in light of all of this, yeah, we're not doing that. We're not getting rid of the blue slip. We're not doing it. Again, for people who maybe have not been checked in on this conversation a ton. The blue slip, it just gives Democrats veto authority over any U.S. attorney or federal judge pick in their own states, which is insane.

And we shouldn't be doing that. How do you assess the current state of play in this fight? Do you think we're reaching a level that the Senate's going to start taking this seriously? You know, I think so. Mostly because I've never understood after you've

nuked the filibuster on the executive calendar. So you've gotten rid of the filibuster for all categories of nominations from cabinet officials, the Supreme Court, judges up and down the ledger, yet you are going to like die on the hill of preserving the blue slip, which isn't even in the Senate rules. It's a custom. It's a tradition. It's never made any sense to me. The only way I think you could defend the blue slip is if you've still had the filibuster, but you've gotten rid of all minority rights on the executive side, right, for nominations and things like that. So why do you still have the blue slip?

It's made no sense to me. But Senate Republicans and even some Democrats continue to defend it, which again, you've already knew the filibuster. Why are you dying on the hill of this tradition, this custom? Where Democrats are using it now to actually stymie the Trump agenda. If you want accountability for everything that's happened, if you want accountability for Arctic Frost, for Jack Smith, for all this stuff, you have to have U.S. attorneys that are being blocked by the blue slip process. So there's a defense of the blue slip and the filibuster, by the way, that I'm seeing. emerge right now on the right, people are saying, look, Vince, if we get rid of the blue slip,

if we get rid of the filibuster, get rid of the filibuster, it's irrelevant because we don't have enough Republican votes anyway to achieve these things. That's the dirty little secret. We don't have enough Republican votes. We've got Susan Collins. We've got Lisa McCowski. We've got, you know, what's his face? Thumb Tillis. We've got all these people who are getting in the way of us achieving things. So getting rid of the blue slip and the filibuster is irrelevant. My sense of this, Rachel, is, okay. At least we'd get them on the record. I mean, step two is get these guys on the record.

You want to vote against the Trump agenda? You want to vote against the American people? Let's get you on the record instead of just hiding behind the filibuster and the blue slip. Yeah, I actually agree with that critique on the legislative side. When you're talking about the legislative filibuster, I think it's a strategic question. You nuke it when you have the votes to do the transformational change to make sure Republicans never lose power again because that's what Democrats say they will do with it, right?

We know what they will do if they knew the filibuster because they've set it. it. They will add Puerto Rico as a state. They will add DC as a state. They will overturn election law. They will pack the Supreme Court. They will lock in their power base and Republicans will never win again. I want us to have that power. So in my mind, I agree with the critique. We don't currently have the votes. You know, when I talk to people, what would you do if you nuke the legislative filibuster? They say, oh, we could pass the SAVE Act. Really? Because Mitch McConnell has been sitting on that in committee. Mitch McConnell is bottling up the SAVE Act, which if people are unfamiliar with it, requires proof of citizenship.

to vote. For some reason, Mitch McConnell finds that offensive. So I actually do think it's correct on the legislative side to say, we probably don't have 51 to do anything that we want to do. But the blue slip is separate from that, right? The blue slip is simply about putting these nominees on the floor, and I think you have a much harder case to make that Republicans wouldn't support U.S. attorneys, wouldn't support enforcing the law by filling these slots. So I do think it's a much harder case to make on the blue slip side. I see these as separate questions. And again, I find the blue slips so much harder to defend because you've already nuked the filibuster on the executive side. There are, there is no filibuster for confirmations anymore. So why are you standing on

custom and tradition once you've already gotten rid of minority rights? I'm sorry, but two things. One, on the filibuster, if we can dwell on it for a moment, I, you know, I'm pretty convinced at this moment that it doesn't matter what Republicans do. Democrats are going to blow through it the second they can uh they tried before they uh in the fact that we we saw um who is a joe mansion and kirsten cinema got in the way they got drummed out of the senate as a result of that so i think democrats have made it really clear what they intended to do the filibuster the second they have power over it so i don't i don't really know why republicans are wasting any more time on the clock even if they don't have the votes but the other side of this is um you know okay

Mitch mcconnell's being an obstructionist in committee but john thun could still upend that if he wanted too. He could force that to a full vote in the Senate. And yet Thune is a barrier to success for the rest of us right now. Are they really that wedded to the institutionalism? Do they really think that the world after Donald Trump is going to return to kind of the American public doesn't pay attention to the activities of the Senate? They just get to do their handshakes and go on their merry way. Do they really think that that world is coming back? Yes. I say this, you know, having spent a lot of time with these senators behind closed doors for years. That is how they treated it all through the Biden administration.

That was what the conversations in the Republican conference were like. They never talked about Donald Trump. They never talked about the base of their party. They really do think that, you know, not every Republican senator, but a good portion of them think that, you know, once we get through this Trump moment, we can just go back to business as usual, which is transacting with Democrats, you know, making decisions for big corporations, all this stuff. There's a lot of them that really do think that.

You know, people forget the Senate in many ways is a lagging indicator of the rest of the country. And a little bit of that is by design, right? The founders kind of set it up to be slow that way. But it is really become a problem, I think, for a lot of these senators that they try to just wait out the base of their party, they can just wait out this moment because the centrifugal pull of this town is still Bushism. And there are people that made their careers during that administration. They have done very well for themselves. And, you know, all the incentive structures around them want to go back to that.

there definitely is that, you know, portion of Senate Republicans that do think that this is just a period of time they have to get through and then everything is going to snap back to normal. Yeah, I mean, look, but the reality, you meant to talk about the founders and what they set up in the United States Senate. And if we could dwell on the two things you and I are talking about, the reality is like they weren't there for the majority of the existence of the Senate. The filibuster was not, certainly the silent filibuster nowhere near the majority of the Senate. That's only a recent invention in the last few decades. And the blue slip is only an invention of the last century as well. So the majority of our country's history in the United States Senate did not include either of these things. And both of them are pretty theatrical and flagrant, let's see, barriers to us getting our country back together right now.

I was, maybe if you had asked me a couple years ago, I would have probably been in the camp of saying, like, well, let's be careful. I don't want to give Democrats any weapons that they shouldn't have access to. But I think we've reached a moment where I think it's it's Pollyannish to think that they're not going to seize whatever they can the moment they have access to the levers of power. Well, let me give you this food for thought as well. The filibuster, as it exists, has always been part of the tradition of the Senate, right? The Senate rules are actually built around endless debate. What's different is the silent filibuster, and that's what you talked about, this reaching 60 votes, right? That's the cloture rule, and that was instituted in 1917.

The Senate rules, up until that point and continued, you know, still today, always provided ways to get around the filibuster. It just requires a lot of hard work. It requires all senators to be on the floor to present a quorum. It requires them to wait out Democrats to force them to speak, right? The traditional talking filibuster. Senate Republicans at any moment could be forcing Democrats into this position. And I think that was what was so frustrating for many of us watching the government shutdown.

Democrats shut down the government and then looked like they went to club. med, right? They faced no consequence for doing that when, in fact, John Thune and the Republican conference could have forced consequences on them. Trent Lott, a former majority leader in the Senate, used to say there's only two rules in the Senate, exhaustion and unanimous consent, and you only get to the second when you reached the first. You have to force physical consequences on a filibustering minority. We've just never seen that drive, that level of discipline, and that oomph, you know, for lack of a better word, from Senate. Republicans. And I think that's what's so frustrating.

What needs to happen right now? What would you, if you could, if you could make something happen right now in order to try and force this issue, what would it be? I mean, should, should President Trump bear down on the Senate right now? We're as far away from the midterms as you can be right now, but it's getting closer. And if we have a lot of Republican infighting leading up to the midterms, that won't reflect well on the party, should the fight happen as we speak? You know, I think the blue slip, you know, protecting it is kind of indefensible at this point. all of the lawfare that's continuing against Republicans or the lack of accountability for it

now hangs on Senate Republicans. And I think laying that at their feet is appropriate. On the filibuster, if I were the White House, I would simply say, no more laziness from you. I expect you to extract consequences. You need to use the levers of power in your institution to force Democrats to the floor to speak. No more excuses from John Thune. No more excuses from the Republican conference. They have the ability to do this for whatever reason they seem to gaslight the White House and tell them they can't do anything. I would full measure, right? I expect the full measure of what you can do.

You know, otherwise, you're at fault here. Everything lies on you. I have a theory as to why some of these Republicans are keeping the blue slip in place. They don't want Donald Trump to prosecute James Comey or any of these other people. They don't want that to happen because the thinking is that this will be a political drag on Republicans if Donald Trump's administration is seen as pursuing retribution. against people who don't deserve it or something. In other words, like, it'll be a political drag.

But what did people vote for? What did people vote for? I was just going to say. Accountability. Like, this would be delivering what you and I fought for, which is a restoration of justice in our country. No, that's exactly right. If you want to see a drag on the conference,

you want to see a drag on Republicans, don't do anything. Yes. Right? Continue to do this. Don't staff up these critical posts and, you know, get to the end of four years and say, what has been done, who has been held accountable?

Because that kind of accountability and catharsis is exactly what the basic specs. Because they've just seen tyranny. They have just seen tyranny and no one has gone to jail and no one has been held accountable. You want lack of turnout in the midterms? Give them that over and over again. And that's what will happen. Don't deflate the people who sent you there. My God.

Why do we have to give this advice from here? It's so crazy. I can't even believe it. Rachel Beauvard, thank you, as always, for giving us clarity on what the hell's going on in our country. Specifically, the Senate, as always. Thank you very much. Of course, Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas to you, the great Rachel Bover from the Conservative Policy Institute with, by the way, a reminder that the filibuster is not in any way. The silent filibuster is not really the barrier here. It's always, of course, it's Republicans. Of course, like you get

to the bottom of it. You're like, oh, you actually have options. You're not using them. Yeah, show up. If all of these Republicans showed up to the floor of the Senate and forced the Senate to conduct normal affairs, they win. But they refuse to do that. They refuse to do it. So in the meantime, the rest of us are left trying to browbeat them into submission. And boy, I tell you what, you know what Republican senators? Not all of them, but you know what a lot of Republican senators, the establishment types don't like? The fact that we're talking about this at all. The fact that we're exploring, how do your rules work exactly? How can we actually achieve something for this country? How do we get accountability? The fact that you and I are having this

conversation infuriating to them good let's do more of that let's do more of that okay let's uh let's explore what the hell's going on in brown university it's crazy story crazy story out of brown so over the weekend of course killer walks into an economics classroom and uh and kills two students including the vice president of the college republicans and an oozeback national who's there studying to become a neurosurgeon wounds nine others and then just leaves leaves he left it wasn't one of these like you know shootings that for the waiting for the cops to get there in a barricaded situation shoot out with the cops the guy killed human beings and then just left the classroom suggesting that he was on a mission of some kind and then he left and then we get the world's

crappiest video footage in the pursuit of trying to find this guy and so yesterday we keep getting these like burps of new video footage these are from various neighborhood cameras why is it wednesday why is it wednesday of this week tuesday of the week yesterday we finally get this stuff for uh for an attack that happened on saturday here's the video footage from from tuesday cut four providence rhode island police releasing this camera footage watch you see the guy walking past these various homes he's dressed in we thought it was an all dark kind of black jacket but now with a little bit of higher quality it kind of looks like a like a brown um jacket on the bottom black on the shoulders that's clearly a fat dude walking around he's got his he's kind of like a winter hat on he's got a covid mask on meandering around at times with his hands behind his back uh And he was just outside, you know, just outside the Brown University walking around in the nearby neighborhood. And so a lot of community cameras capture this footage.

This is, it's true, higher quality of footage than we had before. We had grainy silhouettes before. But we don't have the guy in custody. And these press conferences, have you noticed how useless they've been? They've been utterly useless. Yesterday, one of the idiot reporters asked, you see the COVID mask on this guy? one of the idiot reporters in the room is not just government officials who were idiots there was an idiot reporter there yesterday who asked how can locals who are trying to find the suspect distinguish between the fat guy and an ice agent who might be wearing a mask are you serious i've never seen an ice agent that looks like that but here's the idiot asking the question cut five There is things that can be differentiated between this person and an ICE agent who would be masked up walking through town and not be as periced by the police in the same way this person was?

Again, we've worked really hard to build the trust of our community here in Providence, and I'm telling you that that phone number, 401, 272, 3121, rings in this building and is answered by Providence Police and or FBI. those are the agencies that are processing, running down, and investigating any relevant information. And we urge folks, if you have relevant information, to please use that phone number. I'm sorry, what? That wasn't even responsive to the question. The question was idiotic. And the answer was mindless. The question was, how are people going to be able to tell the difference between an ICE agent and a murderer?

What? Get out of here, dude. What a waste of everyone's time to, to equate those two things. And then the mayor, Mayor Smiley, which is like, people should call the phone number. You're useless. You're utterly useless.

And then here's another one for you. Why is it that all of the camera footage that we're getting right now is just from the neighborhood? It's just from people's houses. What about at the school? Doesn't Brown University? How much people pay to go to Brown?

Brown's an expensive college. how come the campus doesn't have usable cameras at all? What's that all about? Cut six, why are there no useful cameras in the whole school? Reporters demanded to know yesterday. Cameras in the hallway, but they don't show the suspect or Brown is not releasing them or you're not releasing to us. How does a multimillion-dollar school not have a bunch of cameras in the hallway?

So let me try to explain that. So as President Hudson knows, there was a, a major addition put on that building within the last five years or so. That is a modern building attached to a much older one in the back. So it doesn't come as a surprise to me at least that there are cameras and the newer part of the building. And there's video footage. Okay. So there's the back part of the building, old part, and front part, new part.

This is a video. I forget it. Enough. Just forget it. This is so stupid. I can't even handle it anymore. Oh, it's an old building and cameras didn't. exist when they put the old build what are you talking about install cameras how many places old

buildings have installed cameras i mean that the cost of a camera is virtually nothing relatively that the school has ridiculous amounts of money oh we didn't have cameras installed because it's old this is idiotic stuff how about just say you know if there really are no cameras there for whatever reason this is stupid they should have had cameras there and that we're changing that immediately. How about actual answers? What is wrong with these people? Here's another one. The president of Brown is another idiot. Her name is Christine Paxson. And she was asked yesterday, why didn't the emergency sirens go off at the school? Why didn't the emergency, the school is emergency sirens. It's called the Brown Siren Program. Why didn't the Brown Siren Program? Why didn't

the Brown Siren program go off during the shooting? And she doesn't even know her campus's own policies, but that doesn't stop her from confidently being wrong. Listen to this. Do you believe that Brown had the precautions and safety measures in place before the shooting that were appropriate and necessary? I do. And in fact, I'm glad you mentioned the sirens because I think there's been some misinformation about that. We have two security systems that we can activate in a time of an emergency. One is a system that sends out text messages, phone calls, emails and it was activated within minutes of the incident those messages went out to 20,000 individuals so all alerts we also have a system of sirens the

three sirens placed across campus those get activated when there is a broad scale emergency and we want people to rush into buildings in the case of an active shooter activating that system could have caused people to rush into Beres and Holley. So that's not a system that we would ever use in the case of an active shooter. So. Just a follow up.

It does say on the website when it was launched that it is for an active shooter. It depends on the circumstances and where the active shooter would be, but you don't want to ever get people rushing into buildings that might be the site of an active shooting. That's my understanding. Go ahead.

Sorry. My understanding. Aren't you the point? president shouldn't you know by the way she's just making shit up this is these people are a waste of oxygen she's just making shit up the reporter was right by the way on the brown university website they literally have a section of the website where it says examples of emergencies where the brown siren would likely be activated include hostile intruder and in parentheses active shooter so the university's own policies are that when an active shooter is killing people on campus the brown siren is going by the way what a weird name for a siren the brown

siren i know it's i know it's the name of the school but come on like come on what the hell is this but she doesn't even know the policies yes the active shooter siren supposed to go off it did not so the school did the school screw up yeah literally everything it screwed up literally everything and then there's this you know brown university is actively erasing various webpages right now i'm surprised they didn't erase that one they're erasing web pages speaking of their website right now what they are erasing all references to a guy on their campus called Mustafa Karbush, who is associated with the free Palestine movement and LGBTQ stuff. Here's open source intel.

They wrote about this. They said all references to somebody called Mustafa Karbush are being removed from Brown University's website right now. Archive profiles describe Mustafa as a queer Palestinian activist and a third generation Palestinian refugee before they were taken down. and it says meet our student assistants Mustafa Karbush 27 years old he's a first student well excuse me I'm gonna I just said he let me just read it the way it's written Mustafa Karbush 27 is a first year student considering concentrating in international and public affairs and anthropology with a focus on the Middle East they are a third generation Palestinian refugee born and raised in Lebanon attaining a scholarship to attend

U.W. Mastricht. They have led and continue to help with community building initiatives and social change roles. They are fond of bringing their lived experiences into academic spaces and participating in engaged scholarship. They are highly moved

by questions of indigenity, justice, and inclusion, and particularly interested in the intersection of queer studies with Palestinian studies. Holy shit, this guy's right out of left-wing central casting Mustafa is also

currently the cultural programming coordinator for the global Brown Center and on the e-board of the Arab Society. So all of this has been removed from Brown University's website. It's all just being erased. It's being memory hole. George Orwell

is very busy right now at Brown University. Now, what is this? Why are they erasing all of this information about this dude from their website? So yes, Yesterday, a reporter asked that question, why are all these webpages being taken down? And the president of Brown acted like she had no idea. Here's cut eight, the Brown University president being asked this question.

Leave some webpages for students or faculty have taken down. Is that a response to any external threats to anyone in the community? We have been working very closely with law enforcement to provide them with all of the internal to Brown information that they need to do this investigation. It's their investigation. They're the professionals. So we're providing information. We're not in the job of reviewing it for them.

I know nothing about web pages being taken down as part of this. It's the first I've heard of it. It's first I've heard of it. They didn't know anything about it. I'm sorry, who runs this university? You have no idea what your university policies are. You have no working cameras in any of your hallways. You have no idea that people are taking things off your website.

How about you get somebody up to the fucking podium who knows what they're talking about? How about these idiotic press conferences stop until somebody answers some damn questions? Because from where I'm sitting, this doesn't look like mere incompetence. It looks like a full-blown cover-up being operated at Brown because they're concerned about where all of this is leading. Maybe they know exactly what this guy yelled. It certainly seems like it. They're pretending at this hour like they don't. He yelled something.

It's part of the investigation. How about just telling us what he yelled? But no, they don't tell us. Instead, they leave it to mystery and they say, here, use this grainy footage and see if you can find them without any other descriptive details. Well, what if we knew what he said? What if somebody knows this guy's ideology and you start describing it and you're like, oh yeah, I know a guy like that. Hell, he looks exactly like the guy. But no, instead of giving us more information, they just leave the rest of us to wonder. So now we've gone nearly what? We're getting on a week where we know nothing except we see some shitty footage of this dude and we're. all supposed to catch him there's nothing and then you're erasing all this stuff from your website now brown university insofar as they're saying anything about any of this they're

acting like they're saying well what's happening is there's a community member who's being docks they released a statement last night after the president gave that idiotic response there's a community member being doxed right now and we don't want people being doxed it creates irrevocable harm you you understand you yanking a website down only increases our suspicion about that guy's many of this. Now I'm not going to sit here and say, that guy was the shooter. That guy was the shooter. I have no idea. I have no idea. All I'm telling you is that guy's at a left-wing central casting. We just saw a Republican get gunned down in the middle of a classroom. It sure looks like very high probability that she may have been the target of all of this. They're refusing to say

what this person yelled, presumably because they're trying to cover up some sort of left-wing extremism that was uttered by the killer and they don't want people to know about it. And then they act like there's just no way for us to know any information about any of this no i'm assuming and i think rather safely you are covering something up right now not just that you're idiots and you're definitely idiots but it's not just that we'll keep track in it i got the big national radio show going on today we'll do that at noon eastern time the vins show dot com for your local listings you can watch us on rumble rumble dot com slash vince and then i'm back tomorrow with another big show right here on the vince podcast man we've got a lot going on

I'm telling you, thank you for being a part of it today. We'll get to more tomorrow.