The Dan Bongino Show - Biden Is Back: "Democracy Is At Stake" | Episode 156

Episode Date: October 28, 2025

A suspect has been arrested for putting out a hit on Pam Bondi; Biden gets behind a microphone again; and KJP is trying to save face as her own party outs her Watch VINCE Live on Rumble - Mon-Fri 10AM ET ⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠https://rumble.com/vince⁠ Minnesota man arrested after allegedly offering $45,000 for the killing of Pam Bondi https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/minnesota-man-arrested-offering-45000-killing-pam-bondi-fbi-says-rcna240066 California will dispatch observers to watch DOJ’s election monitors https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/27/california-will-dispatch-observers-to-watch-dojs-election-monitors-00624039 Inside the Mamdani Machine: Soros cash, socialists and radical imams engineered Zohran Mamdani’s path to power https://www.foxnews.com/politics/inside-mamdani-machine-soros-cash-socialists-radical-imams-engineered-zohran-mamdanis-path-power Sponsors: Blackout Coffee - https://BlackoutCoffee.com/Vince Fatty 15 - https://Fatty15.com/Vince Birch Gold - Text VINCE to the number 989898 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey, everybody. Welcome to Vince on a Tuesday. We have a massive show ahead brought to you by Blackout Coffee, the official coffee of all of us here at Silverlock. Go to blackout coffee.com slash Vince. Use the code Vince. That's V-I-N-C-E. And you'll get 20% off your first order. Blackout Coffee.com slash Vince. We do have a big show coming up today. We've got Michael Knowles. Michael. Michael Knowles from the Daily Wire will be stopping by. the program i'll have him live in studio uh he'll be here coming up shortly very eager uh to have a conversation with him uh is it time for the crusades again that's the question for michael knolls we're going to ask him about whether or not whether or not a bunch of christians need to conquer the heathens uh that's ahead on the program also uh i want to talk to you about what's going on with the american left some very violent tendencies and some very weak tendencies those things definitely go together uh will uh will take a close look at that and karene john pierre and joe biden are are back in public and we can look back at them

with some sadness and because they're both in their own ways kind of pathetic but they're doing these things in public i'll i'll tell you the latest all ahead on this edition of vince it's great to have you here best audience anywhere hey do you ever think about aging very much does aging force you to think about aging i know that that's been that way in my case for sure and as you age, you try to figure out ways I have to get my energy back. And I'm excited to share something called C-15 from Fatty-15 with you. It's the first essential fatty acid to be discovered in more than 90 years. Fatty-15 co-founder Dr. Stephanie Van Watson discovered the benefits of C-15 all while working

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that Michael Knowles is going to show up in as he shows up to the studio. But something I do know about Michael Knowles is he's typically dapper. So I thought to myself as I was getting ready this morning, I said, self, you should wear a jacket. You don't want to be outdapped by Michael Knowles today. So that's the plan. So anyway, for those of you watching rumble.com slash Vince, I do have the jacket on today. I've got the jacket. Here's a question for you.

This is something I just let me start with just a personal obsession and then we'll get into the meat of the show. What do you think about all of the panhandling that you're seeing in the United States of America right now? Are you concerned about this? Chat, are you concerned about this? Panhandling? Is this happening in every community in the country, an increase in the number of people who are standing on medians and street corners holding hats out and demanding money and saying, please give to me? And then writing a sob story on a piece of cardboard and saying that they desperately need cash. And then you sit there with some skepticism in your car and you're wondering,

does this person need help exactly? And if I do hand cash out the window, am I only enabling this behavior to happen? People are saying in the chat, they're seeing a lot of it in our country. It feels like we have seen a lot more of it over the last, say, decade. Certainly, I live in the Washington, D.C. metro area.

I live in Virginia. And I've seen the increase kind of dramatically in northern Virginia just over the last decade. It's the worst it's ever been. Every street corner, it appears, every popular street corner, it appears there are people who are walking up and down trying to get you, motorists, to give them money. And I'm not against people asking for help. In fact, my Christian conscience tells me constantly, like, you should help people.

But I try and focus that effort at church. I make contributions to charities and food banks and church. because I do want people to be genuinely helped. I don't want to enable some sort of long-run pattern of self-sabotage that I think often is associated with the panhandling. I don't like that. Also, it's a sign of societal decline, don't you think? Don't you think that your community seems to be on the path towards degradation if the street corners are kind of third world filled with people begging for money? Not a good sign at all, actually.

So why do we want this? Now, I was talking to an official yet last night in Fairfax County, Virginia, about this. And I was thinking, what can we do about this? This seems seems crazy to me that this continues to be an issue. And he said that nearby Loudoun County, Virginia, has actually addressed this, which I didn't realize. Loudoun County also has a lot of insane people and leadership. But they had passed an ordinance of some kind that basically said, look, we can't stop people's free speech rights. You stand on the side of the road.

You hold your sign, whatever you've written on it. we can't infringe on the First Amendment, but we can tell people you're not allowed to exchange cash and goods on a public street. You can't do that. It's dangerous to do that. And so apparently Loudon started doing that. And the cops started telling panhandlers, hey, if you do this, we're going to give you a ticket. So get off the median. And apparently, it's had some success. It's worked, which is great news. They've only had to hand out like a dozen tickets because a of people refused the cops asking them to get off the corner and they stayed there and they kept asking for money so tickets dispensed but apparently Fairfax county a disaster still because they

refused they're run by a bunch of libs they refuse to tackle the problem and it leads me to wonder what is the lib explanation for this what is the democrat justification for enabling panhandling in your community what is that and there is none actually there's no sympathetic case for allowing panhandling. There's no justification for this. There are plenty of services and resources available to people who have fallen on hard times that they could go to. They could go to shelters and food banks and get financial assistance. There's welfare. There's unemployment. There's food stamps. There's a million means by which somebody could get the help they need to care for their families. There is no lib justification for this. The only explanation for why

Democrats continue to allow this to happen is because they're perfectly content with the decline of these communities. In fact, that might even be the point that, yes, no, the community is accelerating into decline in despair. Here is public evidence for it as people are begging on your street corners. It's really crazy, actually. And also, to be clear, the panhandling is dangerous, super dangerous. In fact, in Fairfax County, Virginia, again, this is just a right outside Washington, D.C. In the last year, there was a panhandler who was killed as a vehicular accident took place near him.

A car slides right across the median and kills the panhandler. So how is this safe? How is this good for the community? It's not. It's terrible. And it is yet another thing that we're calling out on officials at all levels, not just the federal level. The federal level has all these big picture items to take care of, like deporting millions of illegal

aliens who are in our country as out as quickly as possible. But on the local level, if you are a person who is either involved in local politics or who is a local official, let me give you a priority that you can very easily put right at the top of your list today. Get rid of the blight. Get rid of the panhandling. Get rid of the homelessness. Clean up your community. You want to grow the tax base? You want people to move to your town? You want things to be healthy? Then fix the problems that are keeping people away and driving people away like stuff like this wild anyway but so chat you're telling me it's everywhere it's all across the country right now yeah it does feel like that it does i travel all over the place and then i and then i and i see this and i think

this isn't good for us not good you know america i've always if especially if you've ever traveled internationally you realize kind of the desperate lives that so many people live in in in other places on this planet as compared to the United States. And then when you see some of that desperation arriving in your own communities, all of the alarm bells should be going off. This is a bad slide that we're experiencing. Yeah, Kikli Base 2 says everywhere is correct. It's everywhere in Las Vegas?

Yeah, Augie Dog. Also, Las Vegas Boulevard is super dangerous in Las Vegas. And people are idiots when they try and cross that. Very, very dangerous to try and cross it. people do and they get killed every year all sorts of people getting killed on Las Vegas Boulevard completely insane Memphis has folks on every corner yeah no it's it's bad and so no wonder no wonder people move away from the cities they get out of the cities they get away from the the suburbs that are real close to the cities that's how they're called

suburban and and they just they just move out to the rest of the country because they want to get away from all that blight but what does that leave behind it leaves behind these communities that are just completely dysfunctional and increasingly so, which is why I'm really annoyed by the emergence of people like Zoran Mamdani, Zoran Mamdani, who is a full-blown socialist, he's a communist, who is right now destined to become the next mayor of New York city, and he is a symptom of the very decline that I'm talking about, this sort of phony empathy where oh we're going to take care of everybody things are going to improve dramatically for all of these communities if only you put the socialist in charge

they'll just take all the money from the rich people and then they'll give it to the poor people and there will be no problems well that sounds perfectly fine if you're a completely naive childish moron but if you have any experience in real life what you've learned especially if you have any sense of history what you've learned is that every one of these socialist experiments, these communist experiments throughout history, have led to disgusting concentrations of wealth, utter corruption by the people in power who take all of the wealth, and then utter despair for the people who are robbed and have to live in communities that are made worse by that political ideology. Every single time. That's why

the biggest body counts of the 20th century belong to socialism and communism. It's because it never leads to good things. It always leads to despair, which is why you and I constantly make a mockery of this idea that, oh, yeah, but it's never been really tried. Oh, it's never been done the right way. No, it's been done exactly the way that you would think. You would try to pull it off and every single time it ends poorly. Every single time. It's one of the reasons Bernie Sanders, by the way, is, well, he's a cartoon character.

but don't let his cartoonish demeanor disarm you. The guy's a Soviet. And when he says that he's opposed to these concentrations of power, the millionaires and the billionaires and all the corporations and all this stuff, he taps into a small truth, a meaningful one, which is that concentrations of power, the bigger that they grow, and the more out of control they become, they can create problems for your life.

Certainly, see what the big tech companies did. as they seized control of all the communication in the United States and then censored, especially huge categories of conservatives to prevent you from having realistic conversations about our elections. That matters a great deal. Those concentrations of power and the abuses of that concentration of power is something that you should be vigilant for. I certainly am. I'm always any power center in the United States deserve scrutiny, whether it's in the media or in the big tech companies. But also, and certainly, and very importantly, in the government.

So Bernie's answer to corrupt concentrations of power is to create the single most corrupt, single most inefficient, single most tyrannical concentration of power. That's insanity. That's not the way out of this. That's the way to kill your country, actually. And that's what Zoran Mamdani believes in. This is his worldview.

you. And he can smile all he wants and he can act friendly and shipper and he can do the podcasts and convey himself as some sort of good-hearted decent people person. But his political ideology is completely suicidal and destructive. Communism will wreck New York City. And by extension, the United States of America. Communism. Just imagine. New York is the capital of center of the United States. It's the financial center of our country. And what Zorn and Mamdani represents is a full-blown attack on capitalism, on the free market, on the financial center of our country, being launched internally with the support of the insane voters of New York City who are now on board with this. Now, who are the people in New York City who are supporting this?

Well, one, it's a massive immigrant population. Certainly New York has changed dramatically over these last few decades. They've just a lot of people who have come into the country who now live in New York City, who are now voters who don't really have any sort of intrinsic loyalty to the ideologies that made this country great are all in on voting for the commie in New York City. That's true. It's a city with kind of a lost identity, no question. it is a city that anybody with means and sense about them has basically abandoned in fact

Florida right now is the home of a lot of former New York City refugees in fact some of you are probably in the chat right now people who've escaped Manhattan escaped New York City because it's too insane there's too many taxes and it doesn't in any way represent you and certainly has done everything akin to infringe on your liberty so you escape a lot like kind of like the trump family candidly the trump family escaped new york they went to florida they're down there they're not interested anymore in being in that city uh and so what's been left behind is the people who had no other options and the most radical elements and an immigrant community that is completely untethered from any sort of american ideals there was no assimilation whatsoever and so now zoranamdani

seems to be the guy who they're on the verge of picking. And there is an immense weakness on the Democrat side, an immense weakness. So the socialists, the commies are ascendant. The violent people in their party are ascendant. The most radical elements, whether it's the Islamists, the communists, the anarchists, they're ascendant. They've got all the power in the party. because at the top of their party is nothing but cowardice.

Nothing but cowardice. They are so scared of their own violent in many cases base that they're willing to accede to all of their demands. For instance, Hakeem Jeffries, who is the leader of the Democrats in the House, just this past weekend, made the late game decision to offer a tepid endorsement of Zoran Mamdani. That's right. The New York Congressman, the leader of the Democrats in the United States. House of Representatives has now taken the position that Zoran Mamdani's our guy. In other words, your party is not hiding it at all.

Your most establishment figures are officially endorsing the commies. You're done for. Watch. Here's Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House, cut six, pointing out what has happened to that party. There was a little bit of a seismic shift in politics. All of you noticed it over the weekend. we saw our clearest sign yet that this radical insurgent movement in the Democrat Party is succeeding and they are they are ending what has always been known as a Democrat Party in America

the candidate that they have endorsed Mamdami is somebody who we've talked about a lot from this podium he's sympathized with Hamas and openly embraced anti-Semitic language he has called to quote seize the means of production because he is a Marxist he's called to abolish our borders to abolish and end immigration enforcement to defund the police and to legalize prostitution, among a long list of hits that I could share with you. Zorand Mamdami is expected to take the helm of one of the most important cities in the world in the largest city in America, and he now has the full blessing of the Democrat leader in the House of Representatives. It is shocking. It's an extraordinary moment in the history

of American politics, as this is not the kind of history that we need to be making. What we're witnessing is truly the end of the Democratic Party, as we've known it. And even some Democrats are now saying that out loud. Defund the police open the borders, legalized prostitution. He wants to empty Rikers, by the way. His solution to violence on city buses is to make the buses free. His view, as he's declared it, is that that would decrease the tendency of violent people to punch bus drivers because they have to pay fares in order to get on the bus.

That's his thought process. Now, he's, this guy, I haven't checked, does he have children? Maybe you can't be a parent. This is an insane view to have. If you have, if you're responsible for anybody in your life, if you love them, if you've ever had to discipline them, the last thing you do is enable their worst behavior by acceding to their little tyrannical demands. no you you make them better you you impose consequences on them you say no you can't you can't

punch bus drivers just because you have to pay a fair if you take a swing you go to jail you have to have consequences we need a community that's safe and people who have violent tendencies even if they can't be disciplined out of them if they just have like never ending torrential violent tendencies well then send them away forever get them out of the community remove the anti-social destructive violent people from the community that wants to just live and exist in peace you understand where all of this goes it's not that complicated you know if he makes it so that the government owns all of the grocery stores there won't be groceries this this these are very simple things to understand and yet way too many new yorkers or people who now claim to be

New Yorkers are in a position right now to make this guy the mayor of New York City. And Mike Johnson's right. He's pointing out that that party is full of weakness. And when you get weakness in leadership, you get danger in the base. Coming up, I've got more for you on another left-wing violent threat to the Trump administration. I'll get to that. and what it bodes for our country. And then the big conversation ahead with Michael Knowles joining me in studio,

we'll chat about this phenomenon and where we go from here. Because I do feel like I'm of two minds. One, I feel like I have a lot of optimism for our country right now. I love what the president is doing. I love you, this audience. I feel like conservatives have never been more clear thinking about the direction this country needs to go in. There's a resurgence of faith going on in the country.

it's wonderful to see but at the same time the opposition is more chaotic more violent more completely out of control than ever and that's not sustainable so how do we navigate out of this we'll continue to explore that today and then in the shows ahead on this edition on events good to have you with us hey blackout coffee is the name of one of our great sponsors one of our great great sponsors appreciate them they're proudly the official coffee of all of us here at silverlock there's a reason for that. It's bold. It's unapologetic. It's America First Coffee. It's roasted fresh right here in the United States. Not grocery store junk at all. Blackout coffee delivers rich, high quality roast that

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We start right now with the alleged murder for hire plot targeting Attorney General Pam Bondi. A 29-year-old Minnesota man was arrested earlier this month after police say he posted that threat on TikTok. The FBI reportedly tipped off by another TikTok user to his post, offering a $45,000 bounty. That post had a photo of Bondi with a sniper scope red dot on her head. The suspect Tyler Maxen Avalos has ties to anarchist ideology, according to the FBI. He also has prior convictions for felony stalking, domestic battery, domestic assault, according to court documents. All right, so the media and the FBI, they've been referring to this guy as an anarchist. You know, when you think anarchy, you think typically somebody who just doesn't want any government whatsoever.

So maybe this is some attempt to try and disconnect him from any sort of left-right distinction. But I'm here to tell you a couple things. one people on the right conservatives are for order and the left is for disorder so what you just heard is a description of somebody who is a radical on behalf of disorder an anarchist who is looking to create chaos in the United States of America additionally on his social media accounts the suspect placed himself on the quote far left of the political compass he posted on one of the memes on social media, as well as free Palestine. That was the post that was pinned on his social media account.

This is all like crazy left-wing clap trap trap stuff that he was expressing. So what we have is yet another lefty trying to kill somebody whose job is quite literally to bring order to the country. So the disorder extremist is trying to kill the woman whose job it is to bring order to the United States of America. Are you following? So, and this is not, you know, not crazy that this is happening. I mean, I, like I say all the time, it's not shocking, but it is appalling that this is happening in the United States. And the reason I say that is because the left has a assassination culture. If you've got 50% of lefties, which you do, who desire President Trump's assassination

and could have justified it, there's no surprise that there are people putting out hits on Attorney General Pam Bondi on the left. In fact, they're routinely being. being inflamed by people like the Illinois governor, J.B. Pritzker. And these Democrats, again, they're weak. They don't even have the courage of any sort of conviction whatsoever. Day by day, they will change how they talk in order to suit the political moment. But meanwhile, they're inflaming weak and vicious minds to take up arms against people like Donald Trump and the people who work for him. Look at J.B. Pritzker saying this week that he's never once suggested.

Donald Trump is Hitler, and then he goes on to compare Trump to Hitler over and over and over and over again. Cut five. Watch. I haven't suggested that Donald Trump is Hitler. The dangers that we saw in Nazi Germany are the dangers that we need to react to now. It doesn't take very long to tear apart a constitutional republic. Indeed, the Nazis did it in 53 days. That's not the country we live in. You shouldn't have to walk around the papers the way that they did in.

in the early days of Nazi Germany. I do not invoke the specter of Nazis lightly. I'm watching with a foreboding dread what is happening in our country right now. A president who watches a plane go down in the Potomac and suggests without facts or findings that a diversity hire is responsible for the crash. The authoritarian playbook is laid bare here.

How can you possibly compare what happened in Germany in World War II to what's going on here in the United States? Well, we're talking about the death of a constitutional republic. That's what happened in Germany, 1933, 1934. And J.B. Pritzker's not alone. I mean, even Joe Biden just popped up in public yesterday or this week at a Ted Kennedy thing. By the way, no other top Democrat in Massachusetts showed up. They're all embarrassed by Joe Biden now.

So everyone refuses to be in the same room with him. But he's still mouthing the same words. Democracy's at stake. Democracy's at stake. here he is cut too again listen this kind of rhetoric is just inflaming weak and vicious minds watch this folks we can't kid ourselves we are in one of those moments right now my over 50 years in elected public life this is the worst i've seen it if ted were here today he's still be fighting like hell but his optimism would be surely tested

to his truth be told, our very democracy is at stake, in my view. We all agree that our politics is broken. The political violence never acceptable is out of hand. That America should be a place not of extremism and fury, but of decency and grace. That our institutions are what makes us envy the world, and our democracy is worth fighting like hell for. It's about our democracy. Listen to the way he talks. And he's like, what he's suggesting quite obviously is that all the political extremism

and violence is coming from the right. Of course, this is a completely asymmetric situation where the overwhelming preponderance of all of the violence that we're seeing is actually coming from the left. And if that man has any sort of late stage sort of realization of his life's work, he should feel a deep sense of shame that he's inflamed the very extremism that we're witnessing in the United States as he lectures the rest of us about extremism. Let me bring in our guests now. I want to talk about this and so much more with the great Michael Knowles,

who I'm very happy to have in studio with me now, Michael Knowles of the Daily Wire, who I've had the pleasure of interviewing through the years and occasionally getting together with you like C-PACs and things. It's nice to see you here. Good to see you, sir. I realize this is my first time in person in your studio. Well, I'm glad.

I like, I like the digs. I appreciate it. And I was worried. I told the audience. I was like, I bet you he's going to wear a jacket. Gotta wear a jacket to work today. I meant to wear my top hat. I left my top hat.

You did, if you did, I would have been outclassed again. All right. So it is nice to see you. My view of our country right now is that there's cause for tremendous optimism about what's happening on the right. Yeah. And tremendous despair about what's happening on the left. I'm concerned about the assassination culture. Like, you just saw a friend of yours, Charlie Kirk, gone down.

And the left, I thought maybe they would show some signs of like, whoa, we took this a little who farless back it down they never did what is that no they certainly did not in fact they ratcheted up the rhetoric the reason i'm in town is i'll be testifying on capital hill on political violence and one of the members of the subcommittee that i'll be speaking to is corey booker cori booker continues to endorse jones who text messages have revealed has called for a republican to be murdered the republicans kids to be murdered to die in their mother's arms and said that he would urinate on the graves of other Republicans. Corey Booker refuses

to pull his endorsement. It's not just Booker. I don't just want to beat up on Booker. Think about Ilhan Omar, who made a few perfunctory comments about Charlie after he was murdered and then said he has no legacy to honor, called him a racist, called him a bigot. She's accused him of stochastic terrorism. I mean, you saw it,

you saw it all over your social media feeds at every level of the left, minimizing, excusing, and even celebrating political violence. So this is backed up in studies. You Gov had a couple of surveys out, showed that very liberal people are eight times as likely to justify political violence as conservative people. It's getting worse as you look at younger voters. So that's damaging to the country. I guess the one silver lining I would say to that, though, Vince, is, yes,

there's good signs on the right and bad signs on the left. But the broader good sign for the country is, it seems like the left is losing ground. It seems like most people are completely turned off by this. So people use, the left has used this phrase stochastic terrorism that you just referred to as a way to try and police speech. In other words, like, you're not allowed to say but basically what they're saying is that on the right, you're not allowed to say true things out loud. Yes. Or else you're going to inflame very violent reactions. Because our speech is violence and their violence is speech. Yes. But meanwhile, the left is showing no responsibility whatsoever for its language and is truly, I use this phrase because Teddy Roosevelt used it. After he was shot by an

who tried to assassinate him, he stands up, he gives a speech with a bullet in his chest, and he said that weak and vicious minds were inflamed to these passions by his political opponents who are lying about him. Well, that is true now. So you've got a left-wing media who still exist with this bubble that they've created, this cocoon they've created, a very, around a very radical Democrat base who believe the lies. They believe Corey Booker. They believe J.B. Pritzker when J.B. Pritzker's like, Trump is Hitler.

And so they begin to think, well, my only recourse is to take up arms. Think about what Joe Biden said. Joe Biden launched his campaign in 2020 on the lie that Trump endorsed Nazis in Charlottesville and on the lie that Trump posed an existential threat to the country. How many times did you hear that on the trail? Trump poses an existential threat to democracy to the country. What is the logical consequence of that rhetoric? Yes.

Look, threats can be met in a variety of different ways. An existential threat justifies violence. suffice assassination, which is what we very nearly got in Butler, Pennsylvania. Yes. And so what they do is they dress this all up in like kind of like the language of the revolution. Like we have to throw off the king or whatever. But I tend to think that they're more Confederate than they are patriot. They're at least the French Revolution. You know what I mean? Throw off the head of the king, I think, yes. Yeah. It's like it's, it's, it's completely out of control. We're watching. So for instance, J.B. Pritzker, who I just mentioned, and Brandon Johnson,

who this very week, Brandon Johnson, the mayor, Chicago said, don't use the phrase illegal alien. Have you seen this club? I did see it. It's racist to use the expression illegal alien. It's just like calling a black person a slave. That's an amazing statement for a few reasons. One, if you referred to a slave as a slave when there was slavery, that actually would have been the right thing to do. To call a slave a free man when there was slavery would not make any sense. It would be a lie. Then we abolished slavery. To call an illegal an illegal alien is simple simply precise language it tells you what the person is yes as far as i know we haven't fully abolished borders yet i know the democrats have tried to but that's just

clear language the fact that he won't use that language tells you what he wants to do he wants to lie about who these people are to lie about what the law is supposed to do to change our political order and he's also using references to historic bondage to justify the current day exploitation of humans yeah so he's like he's like and he's and he's also trying to convince it's really cruel because Because what he's trying to also do is convince black people that their cause is to defend illegal immigration. You know what I mean? News to me. It's so disgusting on every element.

So the point that I'm making is merely that these guys are rejecting decency. They're rejecting federal supremacy for sure. And they're sowing the seeds of chaos. They're neo-confederates in our time. And the very fact that their violence is not counted in the independent data sets and certainly in the federal data sets is, is how they get away with it. Because you've heard this lie. They say, well, the majority of political violence comes from the right.

And you've had congressmen say this. You've had media figures say this. Now, it's harder to make that argument now after the Atlantic just admitted based on a new study, that even with their cooked numbers, most political violence comes from the left, not the right. But look at some of the most prominent examples. The BLM riots, which left dozens of people dead, over a billion dollars worth of damage. Generally speaking, not classified as political violence. You remember the image of CNN saying,

There was a fire in the background in Kenosha. They said it's a fiery but mostly peaceful protest. That was not counted as political violence. Yes. There was an attack on an event when I was speaking at a university. It was two Antifa operatives. I mean, these are card-carrying anarchists, leftist Antifa operatives. Right.

Not counted as political violence. So look, it's clear. The left doesn't commit political violence so long as you don't count the political violence the left commits. It's just like dishonest fun with statistics. That's always the case. It's like, remember for years it's been like, well, since September 12th, 2001, Most of the terrorists haven't been Muslim. Well, wait a second.

You don't say. There was a specific date that I feel like you're leaving out. Yeah, no, that is the game that they play. So here's the obvious huge question that looms over anybody who cares about the future of this country. It's like, what do we do about this? And I will say that one thing that I wish President Trump would do is to actually invoke the Insurrection Act. Yeah. Like, he's threatened to do it.

He's starting to do it a lot. He's starting to do it over the last two administrations. His predecessors as president have done it a lot, a lot throughout history. And Dwight Eisenhower and JFK and everybody invoked the Insurrection Act. Why shouldn't President Trump, shouldn't we just, shouldn't we put an end to the chaos? If there's an option to do it, shouldn't we invoke it? You know, I think Trump said this in a cabinet meeting. He wanted first to send in federal troops when they were invited in red states.

So blue cities and red states makes it a little bit easier to do. And he tried that out, it seemed to work pretty well. Then he was fighting with the Democrat governors of the blue states, still trying to quell unrest in the cities. I understand why it's a little bit politically touchy. But, you know, there's a very important ancient lesson of politics, which is that the law is a teacher. And we have let this situation spiral out of control. It's been encouraged by the Democrats for many years now. But we cannot continue as a country if our cities are burning, if you have radical organized left,

terror. And so, sure, the Insurrection Act, it's a great idea. I would also like to see the federal government go after organized left-wing terror in the same way that the government went after the Ku Klux Klan, in the same way that the government went after the mafia. We do have tools at our disposal. And I think they need to be used. These are networks with uniforms, with flags, with meetings, with funding networks. In fact, some non-profit funding networks. You need to follow that money, follow those operatives, and put them behind bars. Right. And make people fearful if they're going to engage in societally destabilizing behavior, that there will be consequences for getting involved.

That's right. Yeah, no, it makes common sense to me. Now, we do see some signs of progress on that front. It is very clear, for instance, like Scott Bass since the Treasury Secretary, and he just came out recently and said, in that capacity where they track all the financial transactions to the extent the government does that,

they are looking super closely at this with aggression. So that's good, and it seems like Attorney General Pam Bondi knows what the mission is. so we'll see what the fruits of those labors are but but boy something has to to give um i will say i wonder to what how you look at the biden era i'm curious about whether or not you think that it might have been good in any way for our for our country i think president trump thinks it was in a way because um it stealed him for battle it improved him for sure like he went through the fire i think a lot of us now in hindsight recognize that god's plan is much better than ours like

it's more thoughtful for sure um one other thing i've noticed and i know you care sincerely about this is it does seem like there has been something of a spiritual revival in the country because of the despair there's like nothing like suffering to yes to make you turn to god what do you think of the biden era in terms of that impact on the country you know there's a spiritual analogy here actually which is i often think as a conservative catholic i'm grateful for the pope francis pontificate even though it's a little confusing at times a little frustrating i said look i reverted to the faith. This spiritual awakening among particularly conservative people. Yeah. It actually started under Pope Francis. Maybe they were reacting to something in that

pontificate. I don't know what it was, but I think you see something similar playing out in politics, which is Biden showed how bad it could get. You really had a full mask off, you know, illegal aliens flooding into the country by the millions, left-wing political terror, trying to prosecute your political opponents and predecessors, raiding the homes of your predecessors. I'm I mean, you know, stuff that we never thought in a million years could happen in the United States. To say nothing of the substantive issues like trying to mutilate children's genitals, you know. I mean, just imprisoning pro-lifers who are preying outside of abortion mills. Just the kind of extremism that even the farthest left person in the 90s couldn't have envisioned.

We saw that happen. And what happened? As a result, last November, most Americans went out and they voted for Trump. And the Republican won the popular vote for the first time in four years. That's great. You know, the classical Christian view of this is, when God sends us good leaders, that's a wonderful thing. We thank him for his grace.

And when God sends us bad leaders, it's to chastise us, and we thank him for that lesson too. And then hope for something better. Yeah, no, for sure. I mean, obviously, like, you know, leadership being sinners is like a feature of the Bible, definitely. So it's not the most unusual thing. But it does feel like we're living through an important moment.

Also, thinking about the life of Charlie Kirk, you know, people have pointed to, and I really do think he's a Christian martyr because I think Christianity was the animating principle of his cause. He said it was the most important thing he wanted to be remembered for. But I can see why he leaned so heavily into it.

It's because Charlie was a debater. Charlie had to sit on college campuses and debate with people, and you know this, having engaged in a lot of debates, at some point you have to back up all the way to your first principles. Yes, yes, that's right. Like you just keep, like,

you have to offer justifications for why you've reached this position. And so it becomes super obvious. The more you engage in real debate, the more that you have to draw on your first principles. And what's happened is, as our country has become more chaotic, I think a lot of people are like, well, wait, why do I believe this? Where does this thought come from?

That there is a distinction between men and women. You know, why should I be looking after my own house or my own community? Like, what are my obligations to my fellow man? The answers are all kind of in the Bible, aren't there? Do you remember all those stupid lines that people would say 20 years ago? they'd say you can't legislate morality you cannot pass a law about speeding or a parking ticket without legislating morality right recourse to morality in in any aspect of public life and so yes charlie obviously understood that very clearly and i think you're totally right at a certain point

debates over right and wrong and good and bad have to come down to sin and grace and uh charlie understood that very well there there's reporting out and i think it's pretty well backed up that you're seeing a big spike in Bible sales. You're seeing a big spike in church attendance since his assassination. I guess you'd say that's a silver lining in the storm cloud. You've seen the decline of Christianity level off. That was a trend that was beginning. It's starting to tick back up. You're seeing adult conversions. Yes. Increase. Why is that? I'll tell you exactly why. Because people might not be totally sure if God exists. But when you've lived long enough, you can you can be dead certain that evil exists. And I think we've seen a lot of evil in a very visceral, palpable way in our country,

especially in the last five years. And I think that reminds people, oh, hold on, if there's evil, there must be good. And maybe I need to think more deeply about the moral foundations of our country and even who I am and what my place is in it. Yes. Did you ever envision that Donald Trump would be the vehicle through which this conversation would be happening in the end? You know, I don't want to, you know, speak for God.

But he does have some of the attributes of a man after God's own heart, doesn't he? He's sort of, he's out there, he's jubilant, is very energetic, and he's a man of very public flaws who nevertheless persists and, you know, says he, look, he wants to go in the right direction, he wants to improve, he wants to go to heaven, he says on Air Force One, and he recognizes in a way that is charming, you know, it's not pretentious, it's not, you know, agonized, he just says, look, we're Christian country, I want to be good, more good, less bad, and I, you know, I want to this all to flourish but also like in reality most all of us are flawed for sure most of us are better at being deceitful about our flaws yes so in other words like trump trump's trump what's great about him is it's so obvious what he's thinking all the time you know he's not typical it's like typical politicians will conceal their flaws they'll kind of try and hide all of the ways that they are truly cruel and awful and which is like kind of a feature of politics like Trump doesn't bother to hide anything he doesn't hide his flaws he doesn't hide

what he's thinking he doesn't hide his his passions it's like in a in a way it's kind of a virtue it's not only is that in itself a virtue but I've said it for years and I've been mocked for it but I'm right Trump is one of the most humble politicians I have seen in my life I'll tell you why at Charlie's memorial service he gets up there he says Charlie wanted the best for his enemies he prayed for them he goes I want the worst for my enemies I don't pray for them at all And people were offended by this. He's telling a joke, obviously. But he said, look, Charlie's looking down.

He's angry at me right now. I totally agree. What is he saying? He's saying, Charlie was better than me in this report. I totally agree with him. Do you remember Vince one time? It was like St. Patty's Day or somebody. And they said, Mr. President, you're going to have a beer?

And he said, no, I'm not. I've never had a beer. I'm probably the only president that's never had a beer. It's the only good thing you can say about me. Can you imagine if I drank, I'd be the worst? I said, that is a statement of humility. for sure no one seems to get get the humor i totally agree with you and in fact i i i saw you say this uh and i this is the same thought i thought i had to i thought that was an expression

of humility and it was being treated as like oh this guy's such an oaf he's so prideful he can't get over himself why can't he be a better person i was like he's kind of indicating something interesting and in fact on trump's spiritual journey it does seem like there's other things happening now i know there's a lot of i don't want to get too theological on this particular question but There's a lot of wrestling going on every time President Trump says, I'm not getting into heaven, I'm not a good enough person. One, that's another sign of humility. He's doing that again.

Yes, it is. But two, then, of course, all the Protestants come climbing in to be like, all you've got to do is profess faith in Jesus, you're in. And then it becomes this huge theological debate. Now we're debating the Pelagian controversy. I know we're very far afield when we do. But I just, I'm encouraged by it. I feel like I know my, it's like I feel like my mother.

Like, oh, I'm so happy. I'm so happy he's talking like this. Yeah. Because it's like Trump had a brush with death. He stayed alive. And I think he wasn't just like trying to convince Christians to support him. He meant it. He was like, God saved my life for a reason.

Yes. When Trump comes out, he says, look, I want to make God happy. Dare I say that is childlike, you know, humility and reverence. And then furthermore, when he says, I want to go to heaven, you know, I don't know if I'm going to get there, I certainly don't deserve it. One might say that's even working out one's salvation with fear. trembling i don't know to me i i i'm with you vince i'm totally encouraged by it it is it's just it's just been totally amazing okay so tell me about your testimony so you're gonna it sounds

like i mean i've never known you to be a wallflower you're going to be talking to people like cori booker on capitol hill adam schiff will be there am shi perono you imagine so uh do you plan on addressing their own responsibility for inflaming all of this nonsense uh in fact i do yes because i think that leading Democrats have had every opportunity in the world to tone back their rhetoric to at the very least renounce the endorsements that they've made of politicians who continue to call for this kind of rhetoric and they won't do it you know they just keep denying it they keep gaslighting they keep pointing to the other side so we're going to bring something to Capitol Hill today that is rarely there which is facts and evidence we'll see what they have to say

Yes. There's going to be an immense effort by these guys. And by the time some people hear this, these things will have already occurred. But there will be an immense effort. I can promise you by these Democrats to claim that this is somehow a both sides problem. Of course. And they're going to try and lay out, they're going to lay out a number of events. They're going to lay out the assassination of those politicians in Minnesota. They're going to say that that's a creature of the right. They're going to talk about the hammer attack by the illegal alien from Canada on Paul Pelosi. These things. And they'll also. say that's the right those are trump people who did yeah yeah the the hippie nudist from you know the illegal alien from canada the illegal alien from canada i don't think that one's going to land totally you know what they're of course what they're going to go back to is january 6th the worst day in the history of the world and so i look forward to providing a little historical context for january 6th and and the real century long history of political violence in this country which in the capital how much left wing attack how many left wing attacks have there been on the capital yeah at least four by my count uh have come from the left with explosives only one has come

with a horn hat and a lectern and that was i guess that was the right wing attack but uh i don't really see a comparison between the two amazing well i'm so thank you for doing this and thank you for showing up today i appreciate you coming out here i did for people who don't realize like our studios a little out of the way in dc to the point that like people come here and they're like uh this is a little further i expected i always love visiting north carolina so it's great man it makes me feel good we're about as we're on the on it as far on the edge of the swamp as you could possibly be that's right michael knolls it was so good to see you thank you sir pleasure to be with you as always it was great to have you here brother this is really nice what a treat to have

michael knolls stop by and everybody is all in the chat everybody's saying that they're going to go back to church now so right we did it yeah now i'm just kidding some people are like stop talking about the bible i don't care i'm sorry i'm here to tell you we just talk about the truth here that's all that's the Thank you, Michael. Thank you, sir. That's Michael Knowles. Great to see him. And it is really funny.

Really funny to – I'm so glad Michael's going to Congress today to confront all these senators, these idiots. Wonderful. Hey, Michael, what time is that testimony? People are asking? 2.30. 2.30 Eastern time. It'll be testifying before Congress. So perhaps as you're listening to this podcast, that will have already occurred.

And hopefully we'll have some fire highlights tomorrow on the show. Thank you, Michael. Michael's heading out. All right. Let's see. I've got a couple more things I wanted to hit with you. Oh, Karin Jean-Pierre is talking about dumpster fires. She spent so much time lying to the American people and doing it in the most in eloquent fashion. Now the Democrats, they're done with her. They're done with Joe Biden. They're just dispensing with him. They dispensed with him a while ago. And now they're done with her because she's useless to them. She's incapable of spinning you into believing their lies. so they're getting rid of her. So she wrote this book. And what's happening is all of these lefty shows are bringing her in to treat her like garbage to pretend like she was the reason that the Biden

administration was an utter disaster, not the horrific policies of the administration. Here's Kareng, trying to keep her head above water in all these crazy interviews. Watch, cut two. Robert Hur was unemployable for a period because of the attacks from the Democrats and from the the White House that you were at the podium leading. Have you apologized to Robert Her? I mean, look, what I can say to you is I saw the president every single day. It wasn't one-offs. It wasn't once in a while.

I saw him every day. He is someone that was sharp. Have you gone back to someone who he was, he was pretty sharp comments about and we all saw a different reality in your personal capacity? saying is my reality was this my reality was somebody that i saw every single day who was shark who pushed his team i was understanding very clearly of the policy of history that is what i saw i could only speak for what i saw on a daily basis for two and a half years almost four years actually and i was white house press secretary obviously for two and a half years okay so there's a couple things going on in this club one of them is that uh koreen john pierre continues her delusional series of

that has always been a feature of all of her public commentary. She just lies. Yeah, Joe Biden was totally fun. Now, pay attention to the game that's being played, though. You understand why they're having her on. The reason that these lefty outlets are having her on is a way to use her as a human shield for how they lied to their own audiences.

Right? You understand? So, in other words, Democrat news consumers, to the extent that you can call them that, were watching places like MSNBC, which on a routine basis was telling them, yeah, Joe Biden's have totally sound mind. He's the smartest man in the room. Joe Biden's got all the energy in the world. He's out hustling everybody in the White House, on and on and on and so they've told these lies for years.

And now they're looking for a way to excuse their own behavior, which a couple of Democrats put their head up and they go, wait a second. I thought, I thought Joe was fine. What happened? And they're saying, well, we didn't lie to you. It was her. It was her problem. She was the one it was closest to him, and she was the one telling the lies, and now we're ejecting her from political expedience. That's the game that's going on there. But as is probably obvious in the whole country, the chat, everywhere else, Joe Biden's mental faculties were on display the whole time.

Anytime he stepped in front of a camera after he finally got out of bed at 11.30 in the morning and before 4 o'clock in the afternoon, you would see the vacant stare coming out of that guy's old square. all and think to yourself there's something going on with that guy's brain it is not working as intended this is not good at all normal thinking people could identify this issue and i know that this is a generous thing to say but there are people who are capable of doing some thinking at least inside of these left doing networks they knew joe biden wasn't with it they were lying to the bubble that is their audience they were lying and now they're using korean john pierre as their human shield pretty sick stuff these people i mean there's no no honor among thieves really uh and that's that's what's on display the other thing here is um coringe uh because she has no defense

there's no truth to defend her she backs up to the same spot that these lefties always back up to when they're in a corner which is that if you are critiquing them in any way you're a bigot so here's coringe saying that now democrats are being racist and sexist for daring to question her. Listen, oh, I'm a black woman. I'm a queer woman, as if that has anything to do with anything. Watch. Corrine, do you have any regrets at all for anything that you said

while you were speaking on behalf of this administration? I'm, look. It's a simple yes or no, no, no, no, no, no, because you're asking for a yes or no question. I want to put some context to it, too. I woke up every day. I woke up every day, very proud. to be the white house press secretary i woke up every day as a as a black woman who is queer

who had never no one had ever seen someone like me at that podium standing behind that lectern it was an honor and a privilege to have that job and i did it to the best of my abilities and i what the hell is she even talking about who cares that you're black who cares that you're queer what does queer even mean exactly who cares about any this what's your blood type how much do you way what you know what like what are these irrelevant details it's like if you were in a wheelchair and you were the white house press secretary and then somebody says hey why did you lie to us so much about joe biden would the answer be hey how dare you i'm in a wheelchair what that's nonsensical it has nothing to do with anything what a weird shield now it's funny to watch her wielding it

against the left that oh man you're questioning me i'm a black woman i'm a black woman i'm crowd to have been the White House preck secretary. I'm queer. She left that to she's an immigrant, too. I don't know why she didn't include that. She gets, you get multiple intersectional points. You get a high score. She's an immigrant, black, queer, woman, cisgender or whatever. I'm like, it's all so crazy. But that's the way she's talking. What an embarrassment. And a reminder that she should have never been White House Press Secretary to begin with. I'm not even talking about the underlying ideology. like the Democrats are completely out of control. But that woman is just incapable of communicating.

And how did they do that? Was the thought process that basically they couldn't hire somebody who was more capable than Joe Biden? That would be embarrassing. If the press secretary is better at communicating to the president of the United States, let's hire somebody even dumber. So they hired Corrine John Pierre? I guess that's what you end up with. So the top three people in that entire administration were incapable of conveying ideas in English.

Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and Karene Jun-Pierre. They couldn't plan out an English sentence together. And they were, unfortunately, at the highest positions of power in the United States for four years. We got to navigate out of this. We really do. So that's the plan. We're going to keep navigating out of it. As always, appreciate you.

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