The Dan Bongino Show - Bongino x Tucker Carlson: The Unfiltered Interview (PART 1)

Episode Date: December 18, 2023

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my interview with the great Tucker Carlson. Welcome to the Dan Bongino Show. Probably my most anticipated interview ever. I ask people all the time, like, who do you want me to interview? And this name is always, pretty much always number one. Finally made it. Love this guy, our good friend, Tucker Carlson. Tucker, thanks so much for spending some time with us. Really honored you're here. Thanks a lot. Well, I'm honored to be here. Are you kidding? Thank you. You're a good man. We used to share a floor together up at our former employer at Fox. Your team had most of it. They stuck us in like a corner somewhere. But, you know, we've known each other for a long time.

You were always so nice to me and my family. You took a picture with my dad at the Patriot Awards. My dad has it prominently displayed above me, by the way, in his garage in his house, which is kind of telling. But, you know. Can I say one thing? It wasn't just that we shared the same floor we shared the same views and management shared the same view of us yeah we actually had a lot in common i was on

the air doing this live by podcast live at 11 o'clock and i'm doing this show live and i see this break and i remember harris faulkner had said something like a news break Tucker Carl and I was like wait what because I had just left the week earlier and I'm sitting here I mean legit like for me it was like you know those moments like when you were a kid you remember sadly all these tragic moments but you know exactly what's going on for me in the media I didn't see that coming a lot of people tie you and me together because we left but i had no idea and from what i heard from you know you just publicly you didn't either i mean i didn't really plan on digging too deep into it because but

what what happened exactly there well i don't know i mean it was one of i was surprised too it was our it actually weirdly was i had just finished writing my script in my living room with my dogs, drinking coffee, banging this thing out. I filed the script. I look at my calendar. What do I have to do today? And it said sixth anniversary of the show at eight o'clock. I was like, oh, that's kind of cool.

And then boom, I get a call from the head of the channel called me. I thought, oh, probably wishing me congratulations. And it was of course canceling the show. So I was completely surprised, but I wasn't shocked on a deeper level because, of course, I mean, I knew I was out of step. And it wasn't my company. And by the way, I wasn't mad about it. I was just, I was just like confused, but I wasn't say. It's your network. If you don't like it, take me off the air. And one day they did. I mean, that was really an explicit agreement that I had. So I don't know how I could complain, really. They did a lot for me. And I am very happy to be doing something else. And I'm very happy not to be in that business anymore. So grateful

every day. So I can't say like I feel misused or something. I wasn't. Yeah. You know, and I think you've displayed an inordinate amount of class here. I mean, a lot of guys would have left and like burned a place down and listen, I like you, I kind of feel the same way. I, there's a lot of friends I still have there. A lot of good people there. It's just, it wasn't just, wasn't a good fit. I mean, at that time it didn't work and you know i i know you like i read about i was gonna get to this at the end but i knew when i talked to you like i throw the whole script out the window i read an r and long form interview really like you and megan i could talk to you forever um i read a long form interview you did i'm not sure i think it was a new yorker but i'm not sure forgive me but you had said something at

the end and i really laughed when i read it because it was, I kind of like stole it and embraced it myself. He said, you know, once in a while you got to like throw just a shit grenade in the tent. I mean, if there's a lot of just garbage stuff going on, you can't be afraid to run away from the hot stuff. But the hard reality, like you just said, is when it's not your company, that may not be their bag of donuts, but that doesn't mean, you know, you're going to keep doing it there. And now you got to do what you're doing now at Tucker Carlson network.com. Well, I mean, look at what just in your life, I mean, you left under whatever, you know,

I'm not exactly sure why they let you go though. I think we both know. And then look what happened to your life. I mean, it's just so much better. So that is the biggest change. I got into this in my 20s. I'm now 54. So that's a whole lifetime I've been in this business at every one of the networks. And for most of the time, the rule was like, if you're not working here, I mean, guys like me, I had no other skills.

I was not in law enforcement. I wasn't in anything. I've been a journalist since I was 22. So I couldn't really do anything else. It a journalist since I was 22. So I couldn't really do anything else. It's not like I'm going to go become a landscape architect or something. I just, I'm a talk show host. That's all I am. And you couldn't leave because there was nowhere else to work. And all of a sudden it's like, not only is there another place to work, it's way better on every level. It's happier. You can make a real living. You get a bigger audience.

It's just amazing. And so I'm not sure the old model and I'm not gloating over it. I don't like the destruction of anything. I'm for building, not destroying. But just as a matter of fact, I don't see how that old model continues because it has no credibility. No one really wants to watch that. And I don't think it's going to be around in a few years. It's a huge problem, Tucker. It's a huge, especially in this inflationary era where people are cutting costs. There are a lot of folks out there saying, you know, I'm going through my monthly budget and I don't get it. Like when I could get there on X, I can get here, not X Twitter, but you know, X variable wise, I can get for free.

You've got this like diaspora of people to quote a group of people that hate us, but it's true of people who've left, who are producing content that's mostly free. You can go get elsewhere. And that kind of leads to my first question. I was going to talk about this whole new media environment. You, Megan, everyone from Bill bill o'reilly to glenn back you got mixtures of s vod x uh x twitter rumble youtube all this different blend of stuff the down the upside to it is you control your own stuff which is you know you you kind of controlled it anyway at fox anyone who knows their work you know work there knows it but now you can really like just do it with no fear of being taken down.

But I see the issue and I want to get your thoughts on this to give a kind of a full scope, you know, pros and cons. The only downside is the older generation, we have like what I call the two button problem. People are used to going to their remote, hitting power and Fox or OAN or Newsmax is on. All you hit is power. You don't have to do anything else. That's it. The younger generation, it's not an issue. They'll go through, they know exactly how to log in to Amazon Prime

and Rumble and YouTube and live stream. But the older generation, I'll go out and I'm not going to lie to you, it still gets under my skin when people say to me, oh, what happened, man? I haven't seen you in like forever since you left Fox. Where are you? I don't know. I live stream 100 hundred thousand people there. I mean, but I get it. I told him the two button problem is, is, is kind of a thing that's going to go away, but it's still there now. Yeah, no, it's, we talk about this all the time. I mean, I've been on television since the mid

1990s, you know, since, I mean, I was on the set when the Monica Lewinsky thing broke. That's how old I am. So yes, I get it. And so we're going on TVs actually pretty soon. And it's not that difficult at all. I mean, you can get a stick, you can sell it or give it away, put it in your TV and bam, it comes up. And we just, we actually were waiting to launch until we did that. But I just thought, well, I can't wait any longer. It's been seven months. So, uh, we launched, but no, in a few months we're, we're doing that. And I, and I have no idea what kind of audience will pick up from that. You know, I don't have a TV. I haven't had a TV in many, many years. So I'm, I'm not a TV watcher. Um, my wife hates it. So we just don't have it. But I think a lot of people, a lot of smart people, you know, everyone has a TV or a lot

of people have TVs. So like, why would you miss out on that? And I don't think the technology is that difficult at all. We know it's not things going on and haven't finished that, but we will. And you got the grandkids solution, Tucker. The grandkid comes in and shows you in two steps, right? Hey, Ma, you plug the stick in grandma. You do that, right?

I don't have any grandkids yet. I know. I wish I had grandkids. I'm not that much farther behind. I'm going to be 50 next year, brother. I'm no spring chicken anymore. Don't let these generally good looks and young skin actually fool you. I'm an old man.

I'm dying. Of course, I kid, folks. I'm not actually that arrogant. That's why I'm on the radio more than anything. I got a face for that. But this new media environment you and I are in, which is on demand. People just want their stuff on demand. They wanted VOD. They want to find Tucker Carlson. You're going to have TuckerCarlsonNetwork.com, which is where people can go and get that content and subscribe. We're going to throw that up on

the chyron of the show. And it's also going to be an email, folks. You can link right to it. Go right there. But Tucker, there's a long, there we go. Look at Guy. He's all over it. Look at this guy, producer Guy. Yeah, this is nice. TuckerCarlson.com. Sorry, TuckerCarlson.com. Gallup. I want to throw this Gallup poll up on the screen, Tucker. The reason new media, you and I and others who've left the kind of old ecosystem are doing our thing, I think works is because the old media sucks. They, it just sucks. Nobody trusts them after Spygate, the Russia hoax, the impeachment disaster, uh, you know, then them covering for the Soviet union, uh, with the New York times debacle over the decades. So I pulled up this Gallup poll. Here's people's confidence in the media. It's at an all time low, but it matches 2016 right before Trump got in there. Tucker, people aren't

dumb. You can see the chart right here. You can only lie to people so long before they're like, ah, you're kind of full of shit and I don't want to waste my time with you anymore. I think that's right. And it's not just, I mean, I've always thought, because my dad was in the media, I've always thought there was distortion in the media. But it's only been in the last several years that you can feel the malice in it. I mean, life expectancy in the United States literally declined. Like, people are dying younger, particularly rural people, old America. And they, like, think that's fine.

And so there's a sense in which, like, they kind of want to kill you. I mean, they hate you and they want to hurt you. And that's fine. And so there's a sense in which like they kind of want to kill you. I mean, they hate you and they want to hurt you. And that's scary. So it's not just that they're dishonest. It's that they're cruel and that they seek your destruction. You watch these people from January Cisco to prison who didn't do anything wrong and it destroys their lives. And the media cheerleader, they murder Ashley Babbitt. You know, Michael Byrd murdered this girl. And that's totally fine with the media. So if they're happy, Ashley Babbitt's a military veteran. She was unarmed. She didn't do anything wrong. She was standing at a doorway inside the people's house. Is that a death penalty offense? No, it's not. And yet they cheered that on. So if they're happy to see Ashley Babbitt

get murdered, how would they feel about my murder? Well, they would celebrate it, of course. So these aren't just liars. These are your blood enemies. I mean, that's real. That's how I feel about it. Doesn't the temerity of it kind of like burrow under like a tick? I mean, I just wrote down a few things. The Russia hoax was the single dumbest line of bullshit. Anyone who knew Donald Trump, you know him, Tucker. He's a germaphobe. He doesn't even hide it. If you shake his hand, he has no problem whatsoever asking someone for what we used to call the alcohol, the scale gel stuff. Because he's a germaphobe.

Purell. Purell. He admits it. So you're like, listen to this story. So he was getting peed on by some hookers in russia like do you even know this guy like it was the dumbest bullshit story ever and it's not and supposedly this i know i know i don't even want to get going because i'll go for it because there's so much more but like how the did you fall for this like and the answer is they didn't they had to know it was

bullshit and like you just said they just freaking hate you. They think you're a piece of shit. They hate your guts. And they just, this was a pure hierarchical power play. Like, we're going to just tell you bullshit and you're going to believe it. When Rush Limbaugh died, they celebrated. They literally celebrated. Now I'm thinking, like, maybe you don't like Rush Limbaugh.

I knew Rush Limbaugh and liked him a lot, but I share his politics. Maybe lots of people die I don't like. To celebrate a man's death on the day he dies suggests a level of cruelty and sort of inhuman disregard for another person. If you don't respect death, you don't respect life. another person. If you don't respect death, you don't respect life. And these people don't. And again, I think they, they have genocidal instincts. I mean, they'd like the old America to go away. And they say that all the time. That's what the anti-white stuff is about. What do you think that is? Like, where did that come from? I mean, that's the, that's the desire to kill you. And I don't think I'm overstating it at all. Yeah.

No, I don't think you're overstating it at all either. I mean, they'll tell you to this day that the Russia hoax was real, but the spying operation on Donald Trump wasn't. And then I wrote three books on like extensively and noted with left wing sources. I mean, I only use left wing sources. So when I when they come to me, that's why they never reviewed the books. Because they'd be like, oh, this book is bullshit. I'd be like, oh, it's fascinating. I use your sources. And they'd be like, he's never spied on it.

I'd be like, oh, here's this CNN article 2017 by Pamela Brown and was it Eric Bradner that says that the British Intel passed information to the Americans about Donald Trump. How do you explain that? It's still up on your website. And then all of a sudden they shut the hell up. These people are insane.

I mean, the 51 Intel officials who said a computer, Hunter Biden, Tucker, the dude dropped it off. The guy recognized him. He signs his name with his address, with a computer with a Biden family sticker on it, with emails, texts a computer with a Biden family sticker on it with emails,

texts, and photos of a naked Hunter Biden and dipshits in the media and the 51 Intel people like, yeah, sounds to me like a Russian thing and these freaking liberal assholes are like, sounds legit. I mean, you gotta be scratching your head.

Like, what? Am I in like bizarro Superman land? No, no, you're just what, what we're all in the middle of is a process of rethinking our assumptions about the country. You know, what's real, who's on my side, you know, where's this going? What's the point of this? Like, why would you wreck your own country, which they've done? Why would you let in tens of millions of people from Africa and Latin America you know nothing about when we don't need the labor, of course? What is that? And of course, what you're watching is the intentional detonation of the United States,

but why would anyone want to do that? I mean, these are very deep questions. I think about them all the time. I don't think that they have political answers. I think it's deeper than that, but whatever. No, it's hard to digest. I guess that's the only point I'm making. It's hard to digest. There's too much. It's too horrible. We're not disagreeing about tax rates here. We're talking about the deaths of whole populations. it's really heavy and hard to deal with. TuckerCarlson.com is the website. I strongly encourage you to support this man and his work. TuckerCarlson.com. Ladies and gentlemen, you get some of the best content and not just that, this new media ecosystem is the future. Get in there, get in there early. Tucker, I want to jump to this hierarchy argument versus hypocrisy, something I make on my podcast all the time.

I've heard on your show often. But just quickly, you had said something there that kind of struck me. It's another argument I bring up a lot, even on the Fox show when I was doing it. This is intentional. I mean, when you look at what you said, an open, destructive border, fentanyl trafficking, little kids getting sex traffic. This isn't a conspiracy theory. These things are happening. When you look at the debasing of our currency, when you look at the destruction of American pride, a very simple idea. I mean, you have,

if you had a tree house club, you'd want to be proud to be a part of it, right? Or no one would. These are just really simple ideas. The left isn't doing this by accident. This destruction agenda is an effort to bring out, bring about their liberal dystopia. So I think the point that you often make is really important, that it's not about hypocrisy, it's about hierarchy. Really, if you take three steps back, what you're watching is the end of Western ideas supplanted by Eastern ideas. So the core Western idea is universalism. We have principles and they apply to everybody. It doesn't matter what you look like,

what your religion is. Everybody is treated exactly the same because we're all created by God. This is the basic Christian idea. And we all have certain inalienable rights that govern the relationship of the state to the citizen. So that's the Western understanding. The Eastern understanding, which is what we're living under now, is that no, there's a permanent God-given hierarchy. Some groups are better,

inherently better than others, and they deserve better treatment and therefore they live by different standards it's like this is it's not just that these people are like getting away with shit because they can they have a different worldview they believe that certain groups certain ethnicities races i mean that's how they talk i mean it sort of blows i always because i'm so dumb it takes me like years to figure this stuff out but i'm like like, wait, you just built a Martin Luther King Memorial that says we're all the same underneath, right? Right. But you're now telling us that some races are better than others.

What is this? But what it is, is the end of the basic Western understanding of the Christian understanding of the world. And people piss on Christianity all the time, of course, but you don't need to be a Christian to see the benefit of living in a Christian country. In a Christian country, universal principles reign. And the core assumption is we're all morally equal,

not in our actions. Some people are good in the way they act, some are bad, but our moral value is the same. And the people who run the country don't share that view. No, no, they don't. I was looking at this article the other day in USA Today, you know, about Hunter Biden, who is just ignoring this congressional subpoena. And it was funny. I opened up my show the day after it happened. And I said, you know, you're never going to believe it, folks. I found a Democrat with principles. I'm going to run some audio here of Nancy Pelosi objecting strongly

to this ignoring of a lawfully issued congressional subpoena. And the audience, obviously, being a little confused. I played the audio. It's real. And of course, it's not about Hunter. It's about Steve Bannon. You know, Steve Bannon, when he ignored it, Nancy Pelosi wanted him locked up. He got to go to jail. Even Joe Biden himself, he got to enforce the law. Nancy Pelosi wanted him locked up. He got to go to jail. Even Joe Biden himself, he got to enforce the law. But now that his kid does it, it's a ground ball, black and white situation. You believe in objective truth in the law. You don't. And the left's like, ah, we really don't. I always have this. Someone gave me this at a book signing. This is like middle finger thing. They're like this. I go, fuck yourself. Like,

we don't really care about your values. And it's like what you just said. The core essential component of collectivism is this idea that objective truth means nothing because it's obviously the opposite of their subjective ability to treat people differently. If I say Tucker and Dan have the same big R God-given rights, I can't treat them by natural law differently. But when I wipe that shit out and I say, no, no, no, it's all subjective. Tucker's rich. He's, you know, his dad was smart. He had a leg up and he's white, of course. So F that guy, I'm going to take from him and give to Dan. You have to wipe all of it out. And it becomes a system of rankings of grievances. And sadly, as you just said, with this bullshit intersectionality stuff,

that's where we are now. And guys like you and me are at the bottom. Well, sure. Because if you don't believe in Western values, a euphemism for Christian values, universal values that apply to everyone equally, then you believe in collective punishment. Like, I don't like what your parents did. I don't like what your grandparents did. I don't like what people who look like you did. Therefore, I'm going to punish you. That's totally incompatible with the Western view of government or justice completely. But it is entirely compatible with the Eastern view.

It's what the Soviets did. It's what Mao did. And they were both able to do that. And the North Koreans do it to this day. They put the families of political dissidents in prison, too, because that's the Eastern view of justice. We're punishing the whole group. And that's happening here. And I just feel like we're not taking the time to appreciate why this is happening.

It's not just like we got some especially corrupt group of people in power. Yeah, they're very corrupt. But they have a different worldview. That's it. And that's why they're not embarrassed. So that's the key thing. Like, if you caught me stealing, and I don't believe in stealing, but maybe under certain circumstances, I would steal.

But if you caught me, I would be deeply ashamed of it. I really would. If you caught me being a hypocrite, I'd be deeply ashamed. My face would turn red. I couldn't help it. You catch them, it's not a problem because they think they're part of a group that's superior to you. Yeah. Tucker Carlson.com is the place where you can get Tucker's content. Subscribe. It's going to be fantastic folks. He's got big plans here.

Tucker Carlson.com. Tucker, I'm going to take a quick break. I'll get right back to you. But before we go, I just want to say, you know, this is the one thing I, I really miss, you know, I'm not knocking anyone else at any other network or anyone on the network now. They're all, you know, good friends of mine, whatever. But your 8 o'clock monos, man, were just, it was just absolutely appointment TV. Because, you know, you really, really got the, I mean, I'd have my dad call. He's a huge fan of your show. Calling me sometimes like, man, I never really thought

about it that way before. And you really, you get into that. I always say all the time, you know, it's the why matters. It's kind of a simplistic thing I use on my show. But, you know, once you understand the core ideology of why the left's doing what they're doing, like all, you'll never ask questions like, why is it they throw gays off buildings in Iran and over here they want an Iran deal? Well, if you read David Horowitz's book about unholy alliance, you figure out that we're just the anti-anti-communists. We're fighting. We're the anti-communists and they're the anti-anti-communists. So whatever we're for, they're against because we're in their way.

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Now back to the interview. We're back with Tucker Carlson. Tucker, a guy you and I both know, Michael Anton. He's just a fantastic writer. He writes about this thing all the time. I get a kick out of how the left has this thing like, it's not happening, but it's great that it is. And you know, one of them is this replacement theory thing. Guy, I'm going to go a little bit out of order here. I'm sorry. I know I gave you these elements in order, but this replacement theory, the hilarious thing about this is if you mention it, it's considered this big right wing conspiracy theory. The only problem is the only time I mentioned replacement theory is when I'm literally quoting the left. Let me just show you a few elements. And this, of course, it's this theory the left has that they can bring in a bunch of people demographically for a power base in the United States to get votes. I'm going to prove to you right here, this is their thing. But when you notice, they hate it. Here is an op-ed

in the New York Times. This is very real. It's literally called, and I hate the word literally, Tucker, we can replace them in the New York Times by Michelle Goldberg dated October 29, 2018. Goldberg dated October 29, 2018. That's the actual title. Wait, here's where it gets even better. Here is a later op-ed in the same paper, white people fearful of being replaced. In the opinion, you're like, holy shit, I'm reading the same paper. So I play this little super cut, just a minute. I won't make you sit through all that, but it's just a minute long. This is a hat tip. I think this was Tom Elliott over at Grabian. Here is a super cut of the Democrats talking about demographic destiny. But when you talk about it, Tucker, we're definitely Ku Klux Klan members, 100%. Here, listen to this. Check this out. Coming out into the open. In a few years, we're going to be a majority brown country.

White people will not be the majority in the country anymore. This will be the first generation ever in American history in which whites will be a minority of the generation at some point. As of 2007, every year babies being born in this country, whites now are the minority. In 2044, everyone is going to be a minority. As the demographics change, as white people become the minority in the country, which is coming. Demographics is destiny. Demographics is destiny. Demographics is destiny, right? The country is changing. I've been saying it here. Other people have been

saying it here for years now, even before Donald Trump. The demographics is destiny. The white population is declining for the first time in history in America, while the number of multiracial Americans have more than doubled. So we live in a country where the demographics are changing. It's becoming less white. Correct. OK, you'll be announcing that we're calling the 38 electoral votes of Texas for the Democratic nominee for president. It's changing. It's going to become a purple state and then a blue state because of the demographic. That's their own work.

That's not me. I'm not in there. And yet whenever I mention, why are you Democrats so obsessed with the southern border, demographic destiny, and illegal immigration? You can't say that. You're like a Nazi or something. It's not happening, Tucker, but it's great that it is, right?

It's exactly right, but is it great? I mean, it's interesting. And you could have thrown in a Biden clip who said the same thing. This is going to be a non-white country. Okay. But they've been telling us two things for about 20 years now. One, that whites are going to be a minority, which is true. They haven't explained why I should be excited about that. I am white and so are my kids. Maybe there's a reason. I haven't heard it. But they've also told us that minorities in America are mistreated by Maybe there's a reason. I haven't heard it. But they've also told us that minorities in America are mistreated by definition because they're minorities. And then at the same time,

they've shown sort of unremitting hostility to whites. In fact, our entire government and private sector are organized to discriminate against whites. So how is this good? I'm sort of missing, this is a country that was founded by whites. Our systems were all created by white men, every one of them, along with the airplane. So those are just facts. Why should I be excited about being a hated minority in a country that my ancestors built? Shut up, white supremacists. Well, actually, I'm not a white supremacist. I'm not a racist. And I actually didn't grow up in a country where I thought much about race. Oh, that's white privilege. Okay, maybe it was.

But I grew up right on the southern border, actually, very close to Tijuana. And we did not talk about race. I, speaking for myself, never thought about it. I certainly wasn't anti-Mexican. I like Mexicans. To this day, I really like Mexicans. But whatever, they have forced the whole country to talk about race constantly and to attack whites constantly and then tell you that you're going to be a minority. Yes, you're going to be mistreated and no, you can't complain about it.

And at that point, you're like, what exactly are we looking at? Oh, you're trying to kill me. I mean, any other if they talked about Jews this way or Filipinos, right. Or, you know, I don't know, but Samoans pick any group members of that group would be like, wow, man, you're, you kind of want to kill me. Don't you? Cause you sound like you do. You act like you do. You're freaking me out. You're making me paranoid, paranoid. If you are paranoid about that, however, it's a federal crime. It's a felony. You go to jail for that.

So like, what are we looking at? And last thing I would say is that South Africa is the country that they loved most. And American liberals brought about an end to apartheid, okay? And were deeply involved in the process of reconstruction after 1994 in South Africa. What happened next? Well, they haven't really told us much about it. Do you know anyone who lives in South Africa who's white? Well, it's hell because you are mistreated, you are discriminated against, and you are very often killed.

And so, like, why shouldn't all of this, all of that make me nervous? I mean, I'm serious, and I'm saying that as a sincere non-racist, but, like, what the hell are we looking at here? And why can't anyone talk about it? In fact, you can't talk about it makes it even scarier and weirder. Like what, what are these people thinking? And why are they so hostile? I look at someone, I mean, I know a lot of those people, you know, who you just put on the screen. And it's like, what, why are they so mad at the native population of the country? Why are they so mad at white Americans? Like what Ron Brownstein, like what, where's that animus come from? Actually. I mean it like, what is that? Tucker does. I mean, I know it must kind of irk you even more that the definition of what

white is, is, is not even rigid. It's malleable. And what we've seen with these dreadful college presidents who humiliated themselves in the country at the Capitol Hill hearing when they needed context for genocide, their definition, some of these woke leftists of what white is, is entirely independent of the melanin component of your skin. If you're a successful Asian, right, you're white adjacent. What the fuck is that? White adjacent? And then they're like, well, Jews, it's different. Even though many Jews who live in Israel are in fact of Middle Eastern descent and are not in fact in any way white or Caucasian. You guys are definitely white. It's like, it doesn't even mean anything. It's just an excuse to shit on people

who get in their way on their path to power. Well, what's interesting and again, ominous, and we need to fix this. We need to de-racialize our public conversation immediately or people are going to get hurt very soon. So we've imported tens and tens and tens of millions of nonwhite immigrants. Okay. I'll speak for myself. The fact that they're not white is not the first thing that occurs to me. I really don't try actively not to see the world that way because I don't think it's healthy, but they're coming into a country in which they're immediately being told that white people are bad. So why are we brainwashing our immediate arrivals, these new immigrants with anti-white racism? And how do we think that works in the end? How do we think that ends? It ends with violence. If we told people, and this is one of the things that's come out of the hearings that you refer to,

if you tell people that Jews are bad, well, they're probably, because people believe what they hear, they're probably going to end up hassling Jews pretty hard. Well, we've been telling them that whites are bad, that whites are actually the problem in the world. We've been saying that, not we, but the people who run the country, the truly evil people who run the country have been saying that for decades. And now we've invited all these people and we're telling them that? Half the population of Haiti, they all think that? I mean, what? How does this end? Is anyone thinking about it? No. Or maybe they are thinking about it. Maybe that's even, I'm serious. And I would, I would love to, you can't have any rational conversation about race. I'm not bragging, but I think I'm actually pretty rational on the topic because

I'm not that emotional about it at all. I'm from Southern California. I didn't grow up in that world at all where people thought about ethnicity at all. So I would love to have a rational conversation. You just took the bus with, you know, I, it's almost sad. I was talking to Kira Davis. She guest hosts for me a lot on radio. She happens to be black, which again, is entirely irrelevant to conservatives, but to liberals, it's, you know, the whole thing. And she's a good conservative. And we were, we were talking and she brought up this point that, you know,

she's like, whenever I talk to you guys, like you guys out there, it's funny how you almost have you've been trained to dance around the topic because you're right. It's like when you say common sense things like, yeah, you know, I don't really judge people by the color of your skin. Like that's because you're a racist and a white supremacist and you've grown up in a privileged environment. And you're like, what the fuck? I tell what I said at all. I said how I felt like i really don't give a shit about the melanin content that you're thinking is that am i weird now it's just so freaking strange they've got us all conditioned and i'll tell you i was watching one of your monologues one night and you were digging into this demographic destiny thing how the democrats are obsessed with this and then when

we talk about it like we're the crazy people and i went on my show the next day and i did like a 20 minute segment and i played your whole thing and i said watch what's gonna happen they're gonna go after this guy for simply citing the left so i tell these media matters goons and everyone else all i ask is that you transcribe the entire segment this one one, me and Tucker are talking about and put in the left wing super cut. We put that in and I'm absolutely fair. Were you taking a shot of me? Just transcribe everything. So, you know, we're just covering your own words, but a couple other things I want to get to is Tucker Carlson.com by the way, is a Tucker's new network subscribe. It'd be worth your time, folks. We're building a whole new media ecosystem out there for all of you you know you and i were the subject of an nbc article not that long ago i think because

we you know departed fox at the same time like we're further married at the hip you got a far bigger media profile but once in a while they throw me in there and uh i used to do this whole protection thing with the secret service so i don't know much. You know, I don't know a lot, but I know a little bit about that. And I've got some friends, let's just say, I used to work with. And the threat against Donald Trump is real. It's very real. It's absolutely real. And it's a red line.

There are people out there who are really afraid. There have been fights with Secret Service headquarters about specific security things. And you and I both brought this up that, you know, just like the race thing where you can get people to hate each other. There have been fights with Secret Service headquarters about specific security things. And you and I both brought this up that, you know, just like the race thing where you can get people to hate each other. If you're going to tell everyone this guy's Hitler and a Nazi, someone's going to try to exterminate him to prevent what the Nazis did. So you and I right in like the same week and had this conversation with our audiences, this sounds kind of dangerous. And this knucklehead dipshit at NBC wrote this article about Dan Arkin, who's probably a moron. This guy, I got to imagine as oatmeal for brains like Biden. He wrote, Tucker Carlson stokes conspiracies, claims US is speeding towards the assassination of Trump. And it was picked up by Alex Jones and Dan Bongino, those two crazy wackadoodles.

But Tucker, I'm actually getting this from people who are kind of, and then, oh, look, he's got, even it was Forbes picked it up too. Antonio Pequeño. Pequeño, I don't know what they're referring to. I hope it's not his anatomy. And then Aaliyah Shoaib picked it up at Insider too. But this is real. This threat is real. I've gotten it from people. And it just shows to show you how disgusting this media is that you and I just highlight a real problem. And all of a sudden you and I are the enemy here, stoking conspiracy theory.

Well, it's so dumb. I mean, one of my core beliefs about life is that nothing is static. Everything is dynamic. It's moving in one direction or another. And it's so hard to adjust to that as a human being because you want everything to stay the same, but nothing ever does. So if you want to know what things are going to look like

in the future, just chart out what has been happening recently and ask yourself, are things accelerating or decelerating? Are they moving up, down, right, left? I mean, just chart it out. And in the case of Trump, they started with protests. They moved to impeachment. Now they're at indictment. None of it has worked. What's next? What is, what could possibly be next? If you felt, and you really believed in a lot of them do, that the worst thing that could happen to the country and more

specifically to you in the professional class is is to have Donald Trump as president. And everything you have tried has failed. And they have been accelerating steps, protests, impeachment, indictment. How many more arrows do you have in your quiver? And what's the next one? And of course, it's assassination. And assassination happens around the world. I had dinner with the former president of Haiti in my house last night. His successor was murdered in his bed in the presidential palace in Port-au-Prince. And he's hardly alone. People get assassinated. I mean, they've been assassinated in this country far more often than we're willing to admit. It happened in Japan. That's exactly right. So it's not, it's not crazy.

And of course it's the last thing I want. I said it directly to Trump, by the way, because it's so obvious. How could you not say that? So I did. And he did not engage with me at all on that subject. And I don't know what he actually thinks of it, but he's smart. And so he must know that that's true. But why? So again, it's just another example of what you said a minute ago.

Wisely, if you want to know what's true, look at the things you're not allowed to say. You're not allowed to say them, not because they're conspiracy theories or lies. You're not allowed to say them precisely because they are not conspiracy theories or lies. They are true. And that is true, period. Yeah. I remember being around the Obama White House and you'd hear the staffers talking without speaking out of turn or anything. There were things they really enjoyed conservatives talking about because they knew they weren't true. And some of us, or Norny Obama, you're not us, got spun up on things. And it's just, they loved it because they knew it was a waste of time. And if it ever push came to shove, they could easily debunk it, but they didn't debunk it because they want,

but you're right. When they want to shut you down, whether it's demographic destiny conversations or this Trump thing, it's because they quietly know like, yeah, they're kind of right there. Like we're going to call the guy Hitler a thousand times over. Someone's going to do something. Let me ask you a question. It wasn't part of my rundown here, but you got me thinking about something. Trump's up in a lot of these swing state polls. You know, they're polls. I get it. Acute moments in time, anything could change, but just take it for what it's worth. He's got a decent chance of winning. If he were to win this thing, we have obviously this period between November and January and the swearing in. I'm not sure that's going to go well.

And I'm trying to be understated here. I don't think that's going to end well. I couldn't agree with you more. I'm taking a deep breath because I have so many thoughts, most of which I'm not going to express because I have no evidence other than my own intuition and what seems obvious. And I think we probably share exactly the same views on this. Look, they have set up Donald Trump as president as the one thing they can't tolerate. Now, that's anti-democratic right there. Democracy demands that people who didn't vote for a candidate submit to his rule if he wins democratically.

That's a baseline requirement for democracy. All of us have been through it. Some guy you hate gets elected and you have to sit there and be like, okay, he's the president. He's my president. It's my country. And I'm going to sit there like a good little boy as he reigns. I disagree with them, but I'm not going to try and kill him because I believe in the system. That's kind of the traditional Western view of democracy. They don't have a Western view of anything. They don't believe in democracy. So they're not bound by the normal rules that the rest of us are and have been for 250 years. So I just don't think they're going to tolerate it.

I don't think they think like us. They're like, well, you know, he won. I guess we should let him govern. They didn't do that last time, and they definitely won't do it this time. And of course, the difference now is we know exactly who they are. We know exactly what they think. And we know, to some extent, the lengths they will go to get their will. And they don't have any boundaries at all. They use the US military against the American population. So who would do that? Well, people who don't have limits would do that. So what are their boundaries in this case?

I literally don't think they have boundaries. And I think that we should be prepared, at least internally, psychologically, for them to do anything. Yeah. I mean, you would have seen it last time. There was a document I covered extensively on my show, still in our library, folks, if you want to check it out. If they weren't convinced they had won in 2020,

I'm not sure we'd be having this conversation right now. And I'm only basing it on a document I had by the left. This was not, again, some conspiratorial left-wing fringe group. It was mainstream figures. I think it was called the Democracy Integrity Project or something like that. And in the document, yeah, I know, it's always hilarious. It's kind of like my dipsy-do flip-a- a rude theory where they always accuse you of what they're doing. And in the document, it says, be prepared for a street fight, not a legal one. And they're very clear in that

statement that they mean an actual street fight. They put out all the disclaimers, like we're not talking about a legal one. We're talking about an actual street fight. Again, the documents out there, if we can find it, we'll throw it in a post-production here. But, oh yeah, look at it. How did you get that so quick? I got the best producer. Transition Integrity Project. There it is right there. Hey, I'll read it to you.

It says it right there. The Biden campaign began the game encouraging three states with Democrat governors. They're talking about how the game developed and all this other stuff. And then like on page 11 of this, if they go right to it, like the street fight thing, you can check it out yourself. And this is mainstream figures. So I'm kind of worried.

I'm going to take a break here, folks. This is a wrap on part one. We're going to go right into part two. Make sure you check it out. Part two with Tucker Carlson. Hope you enjoyed part one of my interview with Tucker Carlson. I told you,

I told you I was going to set the internet on fire. Spread that around. Part two is going to air tomorrow, Tuesday, 3 p.m. Eastern time right here, rumble.com slash Bongino. Don't miss it. I promise you there's some more stuff in there, including what's going to happen coming up with the next election and all. Really good stuff. Don't miss it. See you back here tomorrow and we'll have our normal podcast too. So don't sweat that. See you tomorrow here at 3 p.m. for an extra part two episode, me and Tucker Carlson. See you then.