The Dan Bongino Show - BREAKING: Trump Goes To 'War' In Chicago | Episode 121

Episode Date: September 9, 2025

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Hey, everybody. Welcome to Vince on a Tuesday. Holy cow, it is great to have you with us. The president of the United States is going to war in Chicago, in Boston, and all of these horribly run American cities, you know, to restore some normalcy to them. I've got the updates on all of that. Also, joining us on the program today. Ben Shapiro, you know him as the co-founder at the Daily Wire, as the host of the Ben Shapiro show. He stops by the program. We'll chat with him about everything going on in our country. A lot to get to today is always great to have you with us, the best audience anywhere. I want to thank our great. American financing. American financing, great. So supportive of this show, if you've been living on credit cards just to cover groceries or gas or bills, you know those interest rates are brutal, right? Why keep paying 20% or more to the banks? When you could call my friends in American financing,

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No, it is good to have you with us today on a Tuesday. The president over the weekend indicated that it was time to go to war in Chicago. Chicago's about to find out why it's called the Department of War. He posted a pretty funny meme to social media over the weekend. Of course, the left lost its mind. They went apoplectic about this. The emotional incontinence of the left is, well, it's everywhere, but sometimes it's distilled into one Yamish Alessendor. She's a crazy left-wing reporter, and she confronted the president of the United States this weekend about this.

You're going to go to war with Chicago? Here's President Trump smacking her into the earth. Cut five, take a look. You say that, darling, that's fake news. What, I don't go to war. Listen, be quiet, listen. You don't listen. You never listen.

that's why you're second rate. We're not going to war. We're going to clean up our cities. We're going to clean them up so they don't kill five people every weekend. That's not war. That's common sense. You don't listen. You never listen.

That's why you're second rate. The president says we're going to war for common sense, which is great. Here's the way I would like the government to go to war. on my behalf to do something that benefits my country. I know that's a novel idea of Washington. I know that's a crazy idea. Can you imagine the military serving the American interest? You know, taking out cartel members

who are killing Americans by the hundreds of thousands every year. Could you imagine something like that happening? That would be crazy. Well, that's exactly what the president is doing, killing off the cartel members, and then getting the National Guard involved to go into America's cities and to stop the country.

crime to stop the crime and that brings us to yesterday where the president of the united states began operation midway blitz in chicago now in chicago you've got mayor brandon johnson you know six percent approval rating i heard five percent recently maybe it's five percent now i'm sure it's going lower least popular bj in america brandon johnson completely out of control he this guy um definitely is in a game of fantasy land he pretends like everything's fine in chicago everything's fine there's no crime problem here we don't need the president to come in all we need is more money for social services and and stuff it's like the last thing we need is more law enforcement which is kind of a very crazy thing to say especially for a guy who

apparently have you seen this at all apparently this dude has one hundred 150 police officers on the taxpayer dime defending him? Check out this press conference from July. Look at this. July of this year, a reporter asks him, hey, are you going to give up your security detail? 150 of Chicago's finest are defending this guy? And Brandon Johnson does not disabuse this due to the notion once.

Take a listen. And your wife, Stacey, be willing to cut your security detail from 150 smart police officers and put those police officers back on the street where they can protect real Chicago? So we're very proud of the work that we're doing collectively to ensure that our police officers have the resources that they need. As I've said repeatedly, it's policing and affordable housing, it's policing and youth employment. It's policing and mental and behavior. Are you listening to this? 150 people protect this guy? 150. It's not at his private expense. he's not digging into his own pockets for this he's not hiring a private security force he's taking

taxpayer money stealing it and instead of making the city safer he's making himself safer he's surrounded by that's a wall of human beings if you have 150 people defending you're defended by a wall that's built out of humans that's what brandon johnson is doing it is it is madness it is complete madness and it's also a crystal clear sign that he feels unsafe in that city. Why would a mayor need 150 cops protecting him? It's because he feels so completely unsafe in that city because of all of the criminality that he needs to be protected from the damage that he has wrought on everybody else.

What other explanation could you possibly have for it? And so there's a way out of this. You don't need 150 cops defending you, dude. You don't need 150 salaries, 150 pensions, 150 sidearms, 150 sets of handcuffs. You don't need 150 of everything to defend the mayor of Chicago. All you need to do is protect the city of Chicago. You protect the city, guess who else benefits? That would be you.

That would be you. But like a Democrat, the only person he's interested in protecting is himself. You know, this reminds me in a very distant, and much smaller way. but again, it reminds me of, remember Mayor Pete Boot Edge Edge? Remember that guy? The Mayor of South Bend, Indiana. They called him Pothole Pete. You know why?

Because in the city, he had the city maintenance workers come to his street to fill potholes. His street didn't even need to be repaved. It was fine. They repaved the street in front of his home, and yet the rest of South Bend was covered in potholes that he didn't get addressed. Pothole Pete, because in the end, it's about him. What could I do with this job to benefit me? that's what mayor brandon johnson's doing he's not trying to help the people of chicago he's helping himself

he's helping himself at their expense both at the expense of the lives of the people of chicago and the expense of taxpayers in chicago who are paying for 150 cops to protect that idiot so that's brandon johnson so that's what's happening with the with the mayor here's what's happening now with operation midway blitz um president trump is now enforcing immigration laws in chicago at an increased level. Ice agents are pouring into the windy city to pick up illegals in an area that's been just a sanctuary for this kind of lawlessness.

Here's Griff Jenkins over on Fox describing the arrests already taking place as of Monday morning. The surge has begun. You can see the new ice vehicles on the streets here in Chicago. We're just outside the Cook County Courthouse, but that surge is part of the ICE-led Operation Midway

Blitz that they say is in honor of a beautiful young Chicago woman, Katie Abraham, who was killed by an illegal alien drunk driver back in January of this year. And while we are getting reaction from Illinois Senator Dick Durbin, who says that this blitz won't make Chicagoans safer, let me show you this video early this morning. I was out with one of ICE's teams and we arrested this individual. His name is Juan Gaspar and he is a 43 old illegal. alien from Mexico. He has been convicted in 2024 of forcibly sexually assaulting a child under the age of 13. He was taken, as you can see here, without incident. But this is all part of the exact sort of violent criminal illegal alien that the ICE operations hope to bring

in, apprehend, and ultimately deport. That guy was convicted of forcibly sexually, sexually, assaulting a child and he's free in the city of Chicago. That is an illegal alien allowed to just run rough shot over the city by people like Brandon Johnson and J.B. Pritzker who don't give a damn about the well-being of that community. They don't give a damn about the people of Chicago. If they're letting people who have sexually assaulted, who have raped children back out on the streets, they're not even supposed to be here, illegal aliens? How much more of a sign do you need that these people have contempt for the governed. They hate the people who live in that city. That's the message they send with that. So Trump to the rescue. Operation Midway Blitz. They've arrested that

guy. They should execute that guy. They've arrested that guy. And now the move is to deport as many people as they can who they take into custody like this. This needs to be done. Now, there's complaints going on. The Democrats are complaining about it. The very Democrats who sold out their own state are complaining about it. The Chicago mayor, according to CBS News, says the city received no notice ahead of the Homeland Security's Operation Midway Blitz announcement. Oh, they didn't tell us. Why would we tell you? You're a part of the criminal enterprise that made this happen. We don't alert the criminal conspiracy that we're about to begin enforcing the law. Sorry. And also, Let's be honest about this. The president did routinely suggest to J.B. Pritzker that he needed to request support, request support, request support. The mayor of Chicago, please ask me for help. I will send help. They refused.

They cartoonishly, theatrically, obstinately refused. They just raised double-barrel middle fingers to the president of the United States and says, nope, we're going to continue to allow Chicago to be a health scape. The president said, nope, no, we're not. I'm going in. The Department of Homeland Security said it's moving forward with the ramped up immigration enforcement in Chicago this week in an effort dubbed Operation Midway Blitz. Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson says the city, quote, received no notice of any enhanced immigration action ahead of the announcement.

This ICE operation will target the criminal illegals who flock to Chicago in Illinois. They knew Governor Pritzker and his sanctuary policies would protect them and allow them to roam free in American streets. DHS spokeswoman Trisha McLaughlin said the operation is going to target the worst of the worst. worst criminal illegal aliens in Chicago. No indication how long this operation is going to last, but they're going in. They're going in. The department said the mission is being done in honor of Katie Abraham, who was killed in a drunk driving hit and run crash that happened in Urbana about 130 miles south of Chicago

earlier this year. Her friend, 20-year-old Chloe Poultson, also died in the crash. The driver was a 29-year-old called Julio Cucul Bull, a citizen of Guatemala, who authorities caught in Texas days after the crash. They believe he was trying to flee to Mexico. He's now in custody in Illinois. Awful. In a post on ex-Governor J.B. Prisker accused the Trump administration of failing to communicate

or coordinate their immigration enforcement effort with stake in local leaders. This is a lie. All they do is lie to you. The president didn't, quote, fail to coordinate anything. The president asked for your help. you refused to give it so now he's acting without you screw you j b pritzker you hate the people of your state and the president loves them the president ran on an obligation to serve the american people and yes illinois is a part of the united states of america and yes it will be rescued from this

scourge that you've allowed to fester j b pritzker brandon johnson so that's the move in chicago on the move the president that's good like to see more criminal enforcement there not just for illegal aliens but to stop all of the horrific murders that are taking place in that city that would be ideal also

more action happening in Boston this week so in addition to Operation Midway Blitz that we get in Chicago also this week we get Operation Patriot 2.0 now the reason it's 2.0 is because we've already seen Operation Patriot now known 1.0 I guess

that's where we had all of this immigration enforcement in Boston, and that's where the Boston mayor, Michelle Wu, who compares ICE agents to Nazis, went absolutely crazy that the Trump administration was enforcing the law. Well, sorry, Tuts. It's happening again. Here's the Trump administration's Operation Patriot 2.0 is covered in the local media. Cut three. Take a look. So the Department of Homeland Security is now launching what they call Operation Patriot 2.0.

This is a new initiative where they'll be really cracking down on undocumented immigrants throughout the state of Massachusetts. Now, this was just released in a report this weekend. The DHS says that Boston Mayor Michelle Wu's sanctuary city policies have created a public safety threat. Last Thursday, the Department of Justice filed a lawsuit against the city of Boston, Mayor Wu, and Boston Police Commissioner Michael Cox, claiming they are breaking the law by refusing to assist with immigration enforcement. So Boston has been a complete disaster as well, and they keep hiding very dangerous illegal aliens from custody. And it's enough. It's enough. Operation Patriot 2.0 is on. It's underway in Massachusetts. They're trying to remove every public safety threat that's an illegal alien that's there that all been released by these radical left politicians back into the community.

And we believe that great American city, Boston needs to be rescued from this scourge. So the president also sending people in there. Not the only city where things like this are taking place. Not the only cities. Chicago and Boston were seeing increased enforcement action. We're also seeing it in New Orleans in Louisiana. An amazing, amazing photo out of New Orleans, Louisiana. Have you guys seen this?

Look at the illegal alien that the Trump administration has just taken into custody. Check out this pint-sized predator, as the New York Post calls him. Look at this. that tiny little criminal are you seeing this this is for those of you watching rumble.com slash vince i'm going to try and give you an estimate on the height of this dude let's assume for a moment that the police officer he's standing next to is six feet tall well if he's six feet tall how tall is this little guy he's what is he's what is he three feet tall they could have they didn't need handcuffs for him they could have used a twist tie from a wonder bread

bag to keep that guy in custody that's unreal look at this dude Now, while his stature is comical, his crimes are not at all. According to ICE, New Orleans, Christian Soto Galliano, a citizen of Guatemala is his name. His criminal history includes a conviction for indecent behavior with a juvenile, and he was sentenced to two years in prison. We stand ready to face any challenge big or small. This is amazing. So they've arrested this tiny little terror and he's taken into custody and hopefully we get him out of the country. You know, we don't have to treboshae that one.

We could slingshot him. That's a, that's a, does the ice agent get the pot of gold for having captured this guy at the end of this? Curious. I don't know. What's the reward for catching this, dude? What a weirdo. The guy's like smiling on camera, that little pedophile. He's smiling on camera having been captured.

So there you go. That's what's happening. New Orleans, they're doing a good job. Now, having said all that, I've got to tell you in a moment how the Supreme Court just stepped in to make the president's life easier to capture all of these illegals in America's cities. Remember, they were trying to do it in Los Angeles, and a crazy federal judge got in the way. the Supreme Court stepped in yesterday and they had something to say about this and the president boy he really liked it i've got more ahead on that subject than a lot more ahead on the program also ben shapiro was just minutes away it's all ahead on this edition of vince thank you as always for

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Okay, the president had a big win with the Supremes yesterday. No, not the music group, the Supreme Court. He won with the Supreme Court yesterday. Look, he's been trying to square away our immigration problem all across the country. And that includes in Los Angeles. Los Angeles has a nightmare of a problem going on in terms of immigration. They've had illegal immigration for a while. The reality, of course, is like, California is a warning sign for the rest of the country,

constantly, kind of all the worst stuff but falls California before it gets to the rest of us. So you kind of always keep your guard up for what's happening in California, just so you have a sense of what doom lies ahead for the rest of us. And in one of the ways things that have been terrible in California is the illegal immigration problem has been out of control

for years. Spurred on by the left for a million different reasons. One, for cheap labor, two, to pad the electoral college. Three, to pad congressional districts. Four, no doubt, to have fraudulent voting involved as well. And also, you've got an illegal immigration industry that funds all of the elected Democrats there who does look the other way on illegal immigration. They won't support federal immigration enforcement. They will

encourage riots in cities like L.A. So it's just become a complete nightmare because of, as always, the left. And so the Trump administration has been going into L.A., and we've seen it throughout the year, and doing immigration enforcement operations. So they say, okay, fine, you're not going to cooperate with us. We're going in. And so they keep going in. They're going into various locations and home depots and work sites and they're taking illegal aliens into custody and they're getting them out of the country now that mission was kind of put on ice for a little bit by a u.s district judge called maame awusi mensa frimpong great irish name uh and who imposed the limits the press say in july after she found that the administration likely violated the fourth amendment by stopping

people without reasonable suspicion. So the Trump administration was blockaded from being able to do the job that we expect them to do as federal taxpayers. It's in federal law that they can do this job. And this judge with an impronounceable name came along and said, no, you're not allowed to do that. Well, it made us way to the Supreme Court yesterday, just in terms of the basics of this, can can the administration continue to do this?

And the upside is that the court ruled on partisan lines that, yes, the president of the United States can definitely do this. And it was Brett Kavanaugh who wrote an opinion on the subject yesterday saying that, okay, although ethnicity alone is not enough to justify a stop, you can include a combination of factors. You can consider what he says are the totality of the circumstances. So if you have an extremely high number. and percentage of illegal aliens in the area then that's a factor if they gather in

the same locations every day to seek work that's a factor if they're working in certain kinds of jobs like day labor or landscaping or agriculture or construction that's a factor and that if many of the people who are there illegally as documented are from Mexico or Central America and they don't speak English then it is okay to be on a lookout for exactly the suspects that that fit that description. So all of that in Brett Kavanaugh's description, taken together, constitutes a reasonable suspicion

of illegal presence in the United States. So yes, the Trump administration can stop people and question them if they have a mountain of evidence to support that this character fits exactly the type that would be here illegally. So God bless Brett Kavanaugh, one for being on the court, and two, for saying the truth out loud,

which is the thing that gets you in the most most trouble, isn't it? And then there's the left. The lefties on the Supreme Court yesterday freaked the hell out about this. And that includes Justice Sonia Sotomayor. Here's the hills coverage of it. Justice Sotomayor on Monday blasted the Supreme Court's decision to lift restrictions. Blasted the court's decision. You shouldn't do that based on criteria like speaking Spanish or working in a certain profession calling the ruling quote unconscionably irreconcilable with our nation's constitutional guarantees quote we should not live in a country where the government can seize anyone who looks Latino speaks Spanish and appears to work a low wage job I'm sorry what we shouldn't use a combination

of factors to lead to law enforcement just simply asking questions of course we should what is this insanity that's another way of sodomayor saying we shouldn't enforce the law if we enforce the law it violates the constitution no idiot no it doesn't she said rather than stand idly by while our constitutional freedoms are lost i dissent your constitutional freedoms are not being lost people who are not american who are here illegally are being picked up and your constitutional freedoms are being protected by this what effected does rampant illegal immigration have on a country? Well, let's see. The social safety net becomes very weighed down by people who are drawing from it who have not paid into it,

who don't deserve it. American citizenship is treated as disposable and the value of your existence is watered down to nothing by the fact that we've basically said anybody can come pouring in and in fact the government's going to help it. The value of your vote is diminished when the left gets to use illegal aliens as just warm bodies to pad congressional districts and electoral college votes in states where they want to get more Democrat power. So you tell me how that's protecting my constitutional rights. How is that, in the words of the 14th Amendment, equal protection under the law? It's not. It's actually a total violation of my constitutional rights. It's a complete upending of the power I'm supposed to have

over the system in which I live. This is so crazy to me. They use the words of the Constitution as a weapon against you in order to deprive you of your constitutional liberties, your constitutional rights, your country that you're supposed to have some say over. Idiotic. So that's the position of all of the lefties on the court,

all of the declared lefties anyway. Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan, and Katanji Brown Jackson, and all joining in on that idiotic, imbecilic, so-to-major interpretation of events. Meanwhile, Justice Kavanaugh comes in and says, no, no, no, guys, it's fine. You can't just merely ethnically profile somebody.

But if you're going to consider all of the factors for a suspect, like, where are they going to work? Are there high concentrations of illegal aliens in that industry? Do they even speak the language? What countries are they coming from? A sensible person does that. That's not bigoted. That's just practical.

It's common sense. And so the Trump administration gets to continue at pace. The effect of this is not only can the Trump administration continue to have fulsome immigration enforcement in a place like Los Angeles, they can do it all across the country. So that ruling came down yesterday on the same day that we get these major announcements about enforcing immigration law in Boston and enforcing immigration law in Chicago. It's a huge green light for the Trump administration to keep doing. the job that they were elected on i love it all right more ahead in just a moment um i've got to get to uh what's going on well we've got a lot to get to one we've got ben Shapiro coming up in just a second well i can't wait to talk to ben um i want to talk to him about some breaking news that we hear this

morning uh apparently uh Israel has struck doha cutter they've taken out the leadership some of the leadership of hamas this morning that is the breaking news we'll get ben's reaction to that uh and also of course we'll talk about the the problems we have close to home which are are, you know, criminals who've been arrested 14 times, boarding trains, and then stabbing innocent people in the neck to death? What can be done to stop all of this? That's all ahead. Ben Shapiro joins us in a moment. Hey, but first, when inflation jumps, when you hear the national debt is over $37 trillion, man, that's staggering. You ever think to yourself, well, maybe now would be a good time to buy some gold. That's a smart thought, because look, if it's as a hedge against

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Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. I do want to get your reaction to the breaking news this morning because minutes before we started our broadcast today, I see the news out of Qatar, Qatar, whatever you want to call it, that the IDF has confirmed that they just struck Hamas targets, of course Hamas' leadership people know, much of them live in Qatar, just struck Hamas leadership killing, who the media described as Hamas's top negotiator in these hostage negotiations. what are we to make of this strike? What does it tell us about the state of this war? Well, I mean, I think what it says is that Hamas turned down the president's proposals. The president put forward a very clear proposal, which was that all hostages ought to be released. And then the United States would effectively guarantee an honest negotiation going forward

about disarming Hamas and moving into the next stage of rebuilding in the Gaza Strip. Hamas had announced hours ago, actually, that they had rejected that deal. And the president of the United States said pretty clearly there will be consequences if that happens. Now, Israel says that they initiated this officer. operation by themselves, that it was that they will take full responsibility for the operation. I find it very difficult to believe that Israel would have done this without the Trump administration knowing in some way that something like this was coming. And the fact of the matter is that Qatar has never been an honest broker in these negotiations from the very outset, the idea that

Qatar, which has acted effectively as a tool of Iran throughout a number of these negotiations, has directly funneled billions of dollars to Hamas, like directly funneled billions of dollars to Hamas that houses Hamas's top officials. I mean, remember that it was actually when Israel struck Islam al-Heinia in Iran, that he was vacationing essentially. He was on a trip from Qatar. So Qatar has been hosting people at the four seasons in Qatar for years. Israel basically said, listen, we are at the end of this negotiation. Gaza City is imminent. The full-scale invasion of Gaza City and takeover Gaza City is imminent. And so this is sort of the last ditch attempt. If you aren't going to negotiate, then this is the final stage of the war.

And the final stage of the war means that if you are a top member of Hamas and you refuse to turn over hostages, disarm, go into exile, turn over the Gaza Strip to a non-terrorist force, well, then you're not going to be immune just because you're sitting in Qatar while you're doing it. It definitely conveys there's no safe haven for Hamas leadership. Do you think that this will induce Hamas into doing anything? I mean, killing their leadership like this and saying, hey, you're not safe anywhere you go. Will the hostages be released? Is that possible? I mean, I think that that question remains open. I don't think that Hamas has an interest ever in releasing the hostages because the minute

the hostages are released, basically that's their last bargaining chip. And they know that their time is marked. So do I think that this is intended to get Hamas to release the hostages? Not particularly. I think that it was intended to convey to Hamas that either you're going to release the hostages or your entire top leadership will die. And then it's up to you what you do next. Because obviously every other attempt to wheedle bargain and come up with some sort of negotiated

settlement with Hamas has been unsuccessful. So at the end, if it's a war, it's a war and the terrorist leaders are going to die. Okay. Let's move back. Let's move back home of obviously processing some of that breaking news this morning. In Charlotte, North Carolina this past week, we get video footage of a horrific August 22nd murder where a 14-time arrested schizophrenic, violent person gets onto a train behind a Ukrainian refugee in Charlotte and then just stabs her right in the neck, executes her in cold blood. That video shocking the conscience of decent people across our country, but decent doesn't include the legacy media. They've ignored this, and to the extent that they've covered it at all, they've treated it as a Republicans pounce story. What do you think the lessons are, the big lessons

from this event and where we should go from here? Well, I mean, I think there are multiple big lessons. Number one is we do not actually have an over-policing crisis in the United States. You have an under-policing crisis in the United States, and we have an under-prosecuting crisis in the United States, where we release people onto the streets who are clearly dangerous to themselves and others, people who are schizophrenic, mentally ill, violent with long criminal histories, with gigantic rap sheets, and that needs to stop. And when the president of the United States says that, and Democrats somehow take the other side of that argument, that is not only a political loser, that is a moral loser.

Two is the racial angle to this, which really has less to do with race and more to do with the legacy media's take on race. So the reality is that I don't think you're going to find a lot of Americans who are making the claim that because the perpetrator in this case was black and the victim was white, that what this really all is about is innate racial characteristics. Only true racists believe that. What people do believe is that the legacy media is covering this up because the legacy media is afraid that if they mention that violent crime rates in the black community are higher than violent crime rates in the white community or that interracial crime, black on white per capita

is significantly more common than white on black crime, then the legacy media is afraid that will debunk their entire narrative about the world, which is, of course, that America is systemically racist and that black people are inherently the victims of that systemic racism. And I think people are done with that. I think the American people are tired of this. They're tired of the media pretending

that crimes don't exist when the racial characteristics don't fit their narrative. And they are tired of ignoring baseline realities, which is that violent crime rates, black on white are significantly higher than violent crime rates the other way around. And that's not because of race. That's because of a bunch of other factors

that contribute. So I think it's probably a combination of a couple things. One of them is that they're suppressing the news around this and lying by omission, of course. But the other piece is like maybe the media thinks that it's so commonplace to have a black assailant hurt a white victim that they treat it like some sort of dog bites man's story, that they just ignore it entirely. Oh, it's not that crazy because it happens all the time. Either one is a disastrous conclusion because it's the media either accepting this rampant violence or suppressing it in order to advance a racial agenda. Yeah, and I really do think it's the latter.

I do not think that they are just believing that this is so common, we're not going to cover it. I think that what they really believe is that if they accurately cover the race of suspects in crimes, that too many Americans are vulnerable to racism or falling into racism, and so they have to program the American people that they are never to look in terms of race if it's a black, assailant, and a white victim, but they're always to look in terms of racism if the races are reversed. Well, to what extent are they just held hostage by their political coalition, too, because there's this contention that cops are murdering black Americans, unarmed black

Americans wantonly across the country. And as you know, and we've all discussed, the data don't support that in any way. But there is this kind of this house of cards that's been built. And the last thing the press wants to be a part of is kicking it over. I think it's exactly right. I mean, if you look at polls of liberal Americans, they believe something on the order of 10,000 black people are being killed by the police every single year. and the answer is unarmed black men killed by the police every year numbers less than 10 across a country of 340 million people, which is pretty astonishing, actually. The narrative is all that matters to the legacy media.

And this goes back decades. I mean, we've known this for years, that legacy media will omit the race of suspects if the race does not match up with their priors. They will not report stories like this if the race does not match up. And if it's Daniel Penny, who is putting in a suppression hold and accidentally killing a homeless schizophrenic who's legitimately violently threatened. people on in a subway in new york city it's a national news story for six months and all we hear about is the the deep and abiding systemic racism of the united states yes so the daniel penny

story is a story of imposing consequences on the good samaritan uh and then there's also the element of we we are living in a society with increasingly lower trust so when i watched the video of that awful murder in charlotte one of the things i was struck by in addition to the horror of the killing is the reaction of the people on the train. People seemed very unlikely to respond. In fact, they didn't want to get involved. They saw a man with a dripping, bloody arm walking past them, ripping off his hoodie. And not one person was asking, are you okay? What's going on? There was no assessment whatsoever. People tried to just keep their heads down. What is happening? How did we get here? I mean, I think that the crackdown on goods Americans is certainly a part

of it. But also, we as the American people, we have a right to expect that the police are going to protect us sort of things. And so we're just not prepared for it. I mean, if you talk to members of police or members of the military, the thing that they will always tell you is that you can't sort of just react in a crisis. You have to train so that you do react in a crisis. And the American people, I mean, listen, we live in the safest society in the history of the world. And so the vast majority of us have never had to confront an actual honesty god murder with blood dripping from his knife. And so the sort of instinctive, I'm going to get up and I'm going to do something about it. That may exist in some people, but it doesn't exist in a lot of people. And so you really do have to

have somebody like a Daniel Penny who actively was trained in circumstances like that to actually do that. So I can't blame the people on the on the subway too much for their lack of reaction because they're probably figuring that he's going to stab them next and nobody will will do anything about it. But what that goes to is that if you are going to claim a monopoly on the use of force, which is what the police do. They have the monopoly on legitimate use of force. You have to be there to actually stop the criminals and the criminals have to go away for a very, very long time and not come out again because otherwise you will have to say to the population, listen, you guys got to train for this possibility. You have to train for the possibility that every time you get on a light rail, that somebody is going

to get stabbed and you're going to have to step in. Yeah. And also, by the way, it's another reminder that kids should get off the screens and get out and play a sport, join the military, do something constructive with your life outside of the phone because, you know, you never know what life is going to bring you, including horrific moments like that. You just have to be conditioned to respond to everything. Let me ask you about your book, Lions and Scavengers. You've sold a bunch of number one New York Times bestselling books to congratulations on that. Tell me about lions and scavengers, the true story of America. What is this about? So essentially the book posits that there is a part of us that is a line and part that's a scavenger. The line is the

part of us that believes that we have a moral duty in the world, that we have to get up in the morning, confront our problems, and act. And then there's the scavenger part of us that says that basically all of our problems are the fault of some unspecified shadowy system. And the only thing left to do is to rip down all of the systems that make America great, prosperous, care and free. And it's not just internal to every human being, it's civilizational. So what you see is inside the United States. There are groups of people who are more lion-like, people who actually get up in the morning, they want to innovate and risk take and build families and go to church. And then you have people who see all of those institutions as a threat to them personally,

and they get together specifically in order to rip down all those institutions. A good example politically would be Zorn Mamdani in New York who believes that private property, bad, free minds, bad, equal rule of the law, bad. All these things need to be ripped down because they are creating external victims. And you are seeing across the West scavengers on the march. And it does explain in the book really why this bizarre coalition, this melange of people who really don't belong together, are all together. The most kind of obvious example being Queers for Palestine, right? I think everybody who's been asking themselves, why is there a group called Queers for Palestine? It's bizarre, right? Queers in Palestine get thrown off buildings. That's not

a thing. Except that the only thing these two groups hold in common, meaning pro chemosinics and and radical left-wing LGBT plus activists, what they really hold in common is just hatred for the civilization, a belief that they are marginalized by the core values of our civilization and that that civilization needs to be torn out root and branch. And so if lions don't stand up and defend their civilization

and say, listen, you know, you're marginal members of the community for a reason because you reject our values. And we are not going to allow you to rip down the institutions and systems of belief that have upheld our country, then we will fall and will deserve to fall. How much do you think a belief in God distinguishes these two groups?

I think that a belief in God is huge. I don't know that everyone who is a lion has to have a belief in God, but I think that the underlying moral system that lions rely upon is a faith-based system because there is no such thing as a morally absolutist system in the absence of a faith assumption. You can't be a secular atheist and have a real basis for a moral system that the real is aught problem. if you don't have a higher value system that says, for example, that human beings have innate worth, that human beings have creative power in the universe,

that human beings have a free capacity to choose and ought to make choices in a moral direction. Those are all faith contentions that you can't just arrive at by sitting there and logicking it out to yourself. I think there are a lot of secular humanists who think that they've done that, but they ignore the fact that essentially they're just running off the fumes of biblical values.

Yeah, no, that's a smart point. So this idea of building something and also tearing down other things, tearing down established systems. I find myself, and maybe you feel this way occasionally, that I'm torn a little bit between both worlds. I don't feel like a scavenger. I'm not trying to feed off somebody else's success,

but I do feel like there are institutions that deserve a wrecking ball. You know, we lived through COVID, and we watched a health establishment absolutely violate civil liberties like crazy without any reasonable predicate except for enhancing government power. And I thought, man, I really want to tear that down.

I hate everything about it. that we've watched you know a justice system that's turned its weapons against people who committed no crimes they turned to turn their weapons against people singing church hymns outside of abortion mills and parents attending school board meetings and i thought man that's a system i really want to tear down how do you draw those distinctions because it does feel like occasionally these institutions reach levels that you're like man you deserve the wrecking ball yeah so i i totally agree at this and i think that that is an evidence-based decision i think the thing that distinguishes lines from scavengers when it comes to institutions is

whether there is good evidence that an institution is so thoroughly corrupt that it's leading to bad consequences. You can specifically point to the things that institution has done and why that institution is unsavable. And I do think that Lyons also seek to build replacement institutions or at least find good answers. It's not enough to just wreck the CDC, for example. You actually have to replace the CDC with something that works. It's not enough to just say, well, the DOJ is thoroughly wrecked. And so we just won't have a DOJ. The idea is that you actually have to fix the DOJ. You have to bring in people who are going to uphold those standards, or you have to change the standards so that they actually make sense. This is the difference that G.K. Chesterton talked about

between people who are conservative and people who aren't. I mean, if a non-conservative walks across a field, his famous example goes and sees a fence and doesn't understand why the fence is there, the non-conservative immediately begins uprooting the fence. The conservative looks at the fence, doesn't understand why it's there, and says, before I rip up the fence, I need to find out why the fence is here. That doesn't mean the conservative will never rip up the fence. It does mean that the conservative needs to understand why the fence needs to be ripped up and what's going to replace the fence once it's gone. Yes, or maybe we'll install a big, beautiful gate, as the president might say. Yeah, no, it's, it is, it is amazing. And just to watch, like, kind of

all this happening, you know, there are people around us who, who consider themselves like accelerationists, like they've just decided we're giving up on society. It feels like kind of, that's kind of the left's impulse. It's like, how much chaos can we possibly induce? And then if people are fighting amongst themselves, then we can be the beneficiary. We can grow power unto ourselves. Oftentimes it's the government. This is like, this is the Bernie Sanders School of Thought. This is we're on Mandani School of Thought that, hey, as long as everybody's miserable, they're going to be looking for external saviors, and that can be me. That's exactly right. When systems completely break down, people look for a great leader to fix everything and to

centralize all power and to fix all of their problems. And the truth is that politics cannot fix all of your problems. The best a politician can do in a free country is remove obstacles to your success. A politician cannot make you succeed. And if a politician is making you succeed, there's a good shot. He's doing it at somebody else's expense. And so this is something that the left really is looking at. Unfortunately, I think there's a part of the right, actually, that is doing some of this stuff, too. Replacing things, like the argument about the CDC would be that there's a difference between saying,

don't trust the experts, which I think is totally true. We should be very skeptical of people who claim that expertise gives them the authority to do whatever they want. But if you replace that with trust the non-experts, that is a completely different proposition. And the answer should be, no, you don't trust the experts. and you also don't trust the non-experts. You don't actually trust anybody. You skeptically approach evidentiary questions and look for good answers.

And if you're not doing that, then you are participating in just tearing things down with no replacement. Well, that's right. I mean, that's why every time I hear RFK Jr. talking and he uses the phrase gold standard science to refer to what they should be doing, I agree enthusiastically.

That's exactly what I want. And I want as much transparency as possible as to how they reach those decisions. I don't want the dude with the panagram outfit running immunology or whatever, and he's the monkey pox czar for Biden. That's completely crazy. And I love how the media is pretending

like he's the arbiter of what is scientific. Exactly. And I also think that when you get rid of M-Pox guy with the BDSM gear, then we probably should not replace him with, you know, Hobo George, who has some thoughts on medicine, right? We should replace him with, you know,

people like J. Batatari at NIH and Marty McCarrie over at FDA. Like we actually have very well-qualified people inside the administration who are rooting what they're doing in gold-plated science. I love. All right, well, the book is Lions and Scavengers, the author of the man that you're seeing and hearing right here, Ben Shapiro. Sir, thanks for your time today. I appreciate you. Thanks so much.

There he is. All right, Ben, thank you for that. Yeah, the monkeypox guy. Isn't that wild? The monkey pox guy. I can't believe that he survived the Trump administration for seven months. It's hard to get rid of that monkey pox. I'll tell you what. Okay. What else do we have for you today? I've got quite a few things. I've always got a lot for you. Speaking of what we were just chatting about this that awful murder in charlotte north carolina think about that guy that criminal he was in touch with police 14 times 14 times he was arrested and then he commits a homicide against this poor girl and for a second if i can dwell on the girl too this arena zarutska arena zarutzka is a Ukrainian refugee and i'm going to make an observation i've heard

others make it so i'll just rampantly give credit to everybody who has made it but she's a ukrainian refugee have you noticed that none of the ukrainian flag people are sharing her story that there's no serious concern or consideration for the ukrainian refugee who escaped the war from any of the people with ukrainian flags in their bios have you noticed that maybe just maybe the people with the ukrainean flags and their bios never really meant it to begin with it was always just like some sort of marker of I'm with the Democrats. Because the position of the Democrats is we have to ignore her death. So they're dutifully doing it.

The Ukrainian flag people are ignoring her. And she comes to America. She thinks it's a first world country. She thinks she'll be okay. And of course she's not. She gets killed. The guy who killed her arrested 14 times. And one thing we know for certain about all of these killers is,

is that they typically have a lot of contact with the law, a lot of them. Here is, in 2003, my friend Amber Duke just reminded me of this yesterday, so I want to share this with you. Here's the former D.C. police chief, Robert Conte, in 2003, frustrated by all of the homicides that were taking place in the city at that time, now down dramatically, thanks to President Trump. That's a huge thing. But tons of murder happening at the time, and the police chief said, you understand what's common about these murderers they've been arrested a lot before they commit murder

take a look at the dc police chief cut sex what we got to do we really want to see homicides go down is keep bad guys with guns in jail because when they in jail they can't be in community shooting people so when people talk about what we're going to do different or what we should do different what we need to do different that's the thing that we need to do different we need to keep violent people in jail right now the average homicide suspect the average homicide suspect has been arrested 11 times prior to them committing a homicide that is a problem that is a problem the average homicide suspect has been arrested 11 times prior to them committing a homicide we need to keep violent people in jail how many more signs do you need that this person is a scourge

upon the community. And I'll remind you as a statistical matter, if you are just arresting the people who are committing the crimes over and over again and keeping them off the streets, you fundamentally take care of the crime problem. Criminality at its core is done by a very small subset of people over and over and over and over and over again.

If you address that, you instantly fix so much of the crime problem here in the United States. And you don't get a situation where this poor girl gets stabbed in the neck in Charlotte because that guy would have never been on the street again. 14 arrests? One involuntary commitment that only lasted two weeks for his schizophrenia? That guy should not have been released at all.

At all. And so there's a really clear lesson here that none of this should be happening at all. Now, I have one other thing that I want to address with you specifically. And it relates to the fact that we've got a lot of cities in the country that are run by Democrats that have Republican governors in their states. And the media has made a big show of why isn't Trump sending the National Guard into these Republican-led states? They have high crime rates. And we've talked about this.

When they refer to places like Tennessee, Memphis, for instance, we're talking specifically about the city of Memphis, which has a mayor who's, a Democrat. So it's not about the red state and its governance. It's about the mayor and the city leadership who are Democrats who are allowing that crime to run out of control. So should the president go in to every one of these very violent cities? The answer to that question is resounding yes. It's a resounding yes. We absolutely should go in. And so I've got a call out today for the Republican governors. If you have a violent Democrat-run city in your state, you should be asking the president to send in the National Guard.

You should be mobilizing your own national guard. You should be asking for federal assistance today. Now, why would you do that? Well, the answer is because you love the people of your state. If you have a city that has crazy homicide rates, you should answer the call to help them. It doesn't matter that Democrats are running into the ground. It becomes then your job to step in and save it.

You're a governor of the state. Do your job. And ask the president for all the help in the world you can possibly ask for. Look, on the right, if we want to make a case against J.B. Pritzker, which we can easily make because he's a scumbag who's turned down help for a city like Chicago over and over. One way to further that case is for Republican governors to do the right thing, to reach out to the president for support. So look, the governor.

of Mississippi is Tate Reeves, Republican Governor, Tate Reeves. The city of Jackson, Mississippi, has a Democrat mayor by the name of John Horn. The homicide rate in Jackson is 78 per 100,000 people. That's the highest in the United States among large cities. Jackson, Mississippi. Governor Reeves should be working directly with the president to stop the crime in a Democrat-run city. And he should do that today. In Alabama, K.I.V. is the Republican governor. Birmingham, Alabama is a Democrat-run city. The mayor there is Randall Woodfin.

The homicide rate there is 59 per 100,000. That's the second highest nationally of this category. St. Louis, Missouri is in a similar situation. The mayor there, Kara Spencer. The homicide rate there is 50 per 100,000. The governor is Mike Kehoe. He's a Republican. Governor Kehoe could reach out to the president and ask for assistance to help bring St. Louis, Missouri to peace, which is what we need.

As I mentioned, Tennessee, Governor Bill Lee is there. He's the Republican. The mayor of Memphis is Paul Young. That city has a huge homicide problem. This is where Republicans can work together to address a Democrat-made disaster in Memphis, Tennessee. And then there's Louisiana. That's where Jeff Landry, the Republican governor, runs the state. We're already watching as the president is enforcing immigration law in New Orleans and arresting midgets, which was nice of him to do.

But I'd like to see the criminal enforcement expanded in New Orleans. This is where the Republican governor of that state can work directly with the president of the United States to make this happen. Somebody asks in the chat, Strawberry Blonde asks, why haven't they done it already? Good question. Why haven't you done it already? It is critical, not just that we help Chicago and D.C. Those are big cities and they desperately need it. But that we help every one of these cities across the country.

I don't care who's in charge. If you've got a massive crime problem in your city, we need to stop it. These are our fellow Americans we're talking about. And if you want to build, let me just ask you, forget the human life element for a moment, although that's impossible to forget. Just think about the pure politics of all of this. if you want to build a political party that is deserving of majority, just huge support for generations to come, serve well the needs of the people, even in places that don't vote for

you. Go into the Democrat cities, fix the problems the Democrats have created, and let's make America great again. It can be done. I know it's a big job. It can be done. And I'd like to see some of these Republican governors step up to the plate to make it happen. As always, great to have you with us on this program. This is your first time with us, or have you been here a bunch and you haven't subscribed yet. Please subscribe. Please gently tap like on the like button wherever you're getting us, hopefully rumble.com slash vince for the video version. I've got the big national radio show coming up today, the vince show. You can find your local listing at the vinshow.com. Also, you can watch us live on rumble. rumble.com slash vince. It's always great to have you

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