The Dan Bongino Show - Disney Caves To The Woke Mob | Episode 131

Episode Date: September 23, 2025

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The MAGA people had spent the weekend trying to prove that he was anything but MAGA. what do you mean prove it was obviously a left winger a pro tranny pro furry gay guy who shot up charlie kirk killed him and uh and it created so much devastation a morning across the country and then for you to get on television and be callous and stupid like that well it did you know you deserve to be canceled for that um what ended up ensuing after that as you now uh well know is that uh two gigantic ABC affiliate groups next star and sinclair decided yeah jimmy kimball's not airing on our television affiliates that's not happening anymore we're we're suspending him entirely so that was about 60 stations around the country and then

Disney said okay we're putting him on indefinite suspension and and I warned at the time and now of course it's come to fruition the word indefinite doesn't mean permanent it means it's without a publicly recognized end date and sure enough that end date came in no time so so Kimmel just had a vacation for a week and Now he's going back on the air as of Tuesday evening this week. But the way that we got here, boy, it really tells you the story, doesn't it? Just the way the left is, they are absolutely crazy. Let me start here with what CNN is saying about all of this.

They're saying that it was Hollywood who did this. CNN says, a CNN entertainment reporter says, you know, Hollywood, they started protesting all of this. They were so mad that Jimmy Kimmel was taken off the air just for saying something completely vicious about Maga and Charlie Kirk, that they rallied and they got this guy back on the air. Here's CNN's description of what took place last week. Jimmy, and I do want to know that we have seen protests all throughout Hollywood, both in Los Angeles and in New York at Disney's offices here in Hollywood, where Jimmy Kimmel Live shoots his show. today there was a protest. So the Hollywood community has very much been standing

with Jimmy. They have wanted him to come back. And just a few hours ago, I reported on 400 celebrities, including everyone from Merrill Street to Jennifer Amiston, who signed an open letter from the ACLU. Not attacking

Disney in any way, not even addressing Disney or ABC, but attacking any censorship and any silencing from the government saying that this is a moment that is bigger than our industry. Once you silence an entertainer, once you silence a journalist, then you silence everyone. And it will be a snowball effect. So you have to imagine that what went into Disney's decision was also, quite frankly, the creative

partners that they have to work with. If you have the entire Hollywood community who is rallying behind Jimmy, well, that is something that they had to consider. But again, I go back to what my source. What a bunch of idiots. What a bunch of jackasses. And so, you know, oh, Jennifer Aniston and Merrill Streep are very angry about this. And they signed a letter.

They were very angry about it. And so they put Jimmy Kimmel back on the air. Kimmel, who, you know, like his colleagues in the late night television industry, is losing something like $40 million a year producing a show that nobody wants to watch because it's not funny. So then they want to force it down everybody's throats, all of the ABC affiliates, and they think that people are going to watch this. This is all insanity. This is like a hostage crisis. Nobody wants this outcome, and the worst possible outcome is occurring.

How isn't it a hostage crisis? It's so crazy. And so CNN lays it out this way. The CNN lady says, let's be honest, Disney chose Hollywood over MAGA. Disney said, you know what? these overpaid crybabies in Hollywood, they're more important to us than most of America. Listen to this. That is going to anger the president.

That is going to anger many on the right. But Disney had a decision to make. And ultimately, the decision was we are going to make someone unhappy with whatever we do. If you don't bring him back, then you have the entire Hollywood community that you have to work with being upset. The Hollywood community. Who cares? As Lisa France said, this has become so much bigger than Jimmy Kimmel. This is a conversation about free speech.

This is a conversation about government interfering in entertainment and in free speech. So you either were going to have one side of set that he didn't come back or you're going to have another side of set that he is back. So it's a lose-lose situation. But this is ultimately what the resolution is. It's so stupid. It is so stupid. suicidal business decision what a suicidal business decision is there a dumber company than disney is there a company with with is there any other parallel to this a company with a huge legacy

so much intellectual property so much potential so much value innately within the company that is just being completely squandered by the the idiocy mismanagement and left-wing politics of this moronically run company i don't know if there's any other equivalent to this in history. This is a full-blown communist collapse for Disney. And here's one of the ironies. Here's something that not a lot of people are going to say, I'll say it. Disney lost the right a while ago.

It doesn't matter of Jimmy Kimmel's on the air or not, actually, if you want a conservative audience. Disney and Kimmel in particular, ABC, the right was gone a while ago. The way that any of us consume a Kimmel clip these days is because he said something totally disgusting on television, and then we talk about it in conservative media to comment just on how debased the left is. The extent to which any of us see clips from The View, also on ABC, is for the same reason. Conservatives aren't watching this garbage. They're not consuming the shows. They're not consuming the advertising. they're laughing at the destruction that these shows have wrought on a once-grade company.

And so again, whether he's there or not, conservatives aren't watching this. So the mistake, insofar as Disney made any last week, business-wise, was taking Jimmy Kimmel off the air. The only audience they had left was a tiny concentrated audience of radical left-wing lunatics. You want to keep those people? Keep broadcasting Jimmy Kimmel. Go for it. get rid of them you're going to anger the left wing lunatics and in fact as you and i both know on the right you anger left wing lunatics they become violent and that's what happened so jimmy kimmel got yanked off the air last week for just a couple of days and all of a sudden left wing

lunatics started attacking everything we've got uh so so let me let me give you some examples here There was a terror attack on an ABC affiliate in Sacramento last week. Have you heard about this chat? You know about this terror attack? The terror attack was because Jimmy Kimmel was not on the air. New York Times reporting here, check this out. Retired lobbyist in federal custody in shooting at ABC affiliate last week. So Kimmel gets yanked off the air and a 64-year-old lawyer, a lobbyist in Sacramento, California,

decides to open fire on an ABC affiliate because he's angry about this. Now, how do we know that this guy's animated by left-wing politics? How do we know that this guy hates Trump? How do we know that this guy's mad Jimmy Kimball was pulled off the air? Because he wrote it on a stupid note

inside of his car. These people are emotionally incontinent idiots. A retired California lobbyist was in federal custody on Monday. Federal custody, as of yesterday. today, accused of shooting on an ABC affiliate in Sacramento last week. Prosecutors said that investigators found a note in his vehicle that criticized the Trump administration's handling of the case against Jeffrey Epstein.

Boy, that sounds like an ABC, MSNBC CNN viewer, if I've ever heard of one. The lobbyist, Annabelle Hernandez-Santana, 64 of Sacramento, was formally charged Monday afternoon in the U.S. District Court with possessing a firearm within a school zone, discharging a firearm within a school zone and interfering with a licensed broadcaster. The charges which carry maximum penalties of more than $250,000 in fines and six years in prison were in addition to the serious state charges of assault with a deadly weapon. So what happened was he was taking into the local custody, state custody, and then they released him on bail, and then Cash Patel on the team at the FBI and the Justice Department,

they said, wait a second, this guy's free? Nope. And they took him back into custody on Monday. They took him back in the custody and they slapped them with federal charges for what he did. And now he's ineligible for release on bail, which is good. Why are we really? We shouldn't be releasing terrorists back onto the streets after they opened fire at ABC. This guy worked it for more than 20 years as a lobbyist. And the way that this went down, he left a note in his car and his Nissan Sports Utility vehicle. And here's what he wrote on it. You ready for this? And this audience is going to care even more about this when they hear who he was targeting. Listen to this. He wrote, for hiding Epstein and ignoring red flags, the note said, according to prosecutors. Apparently referring to the financier and former friend of the president.

What a bunch of jackasses over at the New York Times. How about the friend of Bill Clinton? How about the friend of Bill Gates? What a bunch of tools. The note also appeared to refer to two FBI officials, Cash Patel and Dan Bonjino. Attorney General Pam Bondi and Charlie Kirk, the right-wing political activist who was assassinated the prior week. Even in death, they treat Charlie like crap. They call him right-wing.

They don't mean that as a descriptor. They mean that as a pejorative. They're disgusting. Here's what the note said. The terrorist note. He said, quote, do not support Patel, Bongino, and Attorney General Pam Bondi. They're next, said the terrorist. and then he wrote

Charlie Kirk from above he wrote CK from above so this guy conducts a terror attack on an ABC affiliate because he's mad at the Trump administration why is he attacking ABC because the left has gone ballistic

they were blaming not Kimmel's behavior but Trump for Kimmel being yanked off the air last week they were acting like Trump's a fascist Trump's a fascist and then what happened Disney just put Kimmel back on the air So you tell me, chat, is Donald Trump a fascist?

Is this the fascist government of the United States? If Disney feels comfortable putting this idiot back on the air? How's that fascist government working out? They're putting Kimmel back on the air. Again, nobody's going to watch it. They're going to lose a ton of money. It couldn't happen to a better company. They've squandered everything that they've got.

But the whole thing is so completely stupid. And you had a terror attack on an ABC affiliate. And what did Disney do? They caved to it. Disney's view was, oh, well, if there's going to be terror attacks, we have to let the terrorists win. So they put Jimmy Kimmel back on the air because of terror attack on an ABC affiliate last week. And it's not just the terror attack on that ABC affiliate. Don't lose in the midst of all of this that there were more terror threats directed at Sinclair Broadcasters last week.

So remember when Sinclair, the big ABC affiliate, took Charlie off, not Charlie. excuse me, took, said, we're not going to air Jimmy Kimmel. And that's not happening throughout this week. And in fact, on Friday night, we're going to air a Charlie Kirk tribute on our stations all across the country. That's like, that's a lot of affiliates. According to the New York Post, it's 40 affiliates. I keep saying around 30, but it's 40 ABC affiliates across the country, including in Washington, D.C. In the nation's capital, Sinclair owns the big ABC affiliate in Washington, D.C.

And right in the nation's capital, Sinclair was going to air. a tribute to Charlie Kirk in place of Jimmy Kimmel's broadcast on Friday. Now, you know what happened on Friday? They didn't air it. Now, why didn't Sinclair air the Charlie Kirk special that they said they were going to air on Friday? Why didn't they do that? The answer to that is because of the left. The left threatened to kill Sinclair employees if they aired the Charlie Kirk broadcast.

Look here. This is the New York Post. Charlie Kirk Tribute scrapped by Sinclair after local TV giant got threats against its ABC stations. Sinclair Broadcast Group abruptly canceled plans to air a Charlie Kirk tribute last week after the company's local ABC affiliates received multiple violent threats, forcing the firm to move the program to YouTube just minutes before it was scheduled to begin, the New York Post has learned.

The Baltimore-based local TV giant, which owns more than four. ABC affiliates yanked the Kirk tribute late Friday after it was alerted to local threats directed at specific local ABC stations resulting from the ABC suspension of late night host Jimmy Kimmel a source close to the situation told the post ladies and gentlemen the left has an assassination culture how many ways can we possibly express this the left has killers in its midst people who will use acts of violence to compel outcomes that they desire in public whether it's silencing the people who are correctly assessing what's going on in the united states or have a power to change the direction of our country that is attempting to

kill president trump or killing charlie kirk or it's committing terror attacks against broadcasters in the country in order to either stop them from airing something or to compel them to air something we've seen left-wing violence now on multiple ABC affiliates across the country or threatened violence against ABC affiliates in order to dictate what they do or do not say now you tell me what the fascistic impulse is here is it Donald Trump being upset that Jimmy Kimmel said something garbage about Charlie Kirk or is it left-wingers opening fire on ABC affiliates for daring to air a Charlie Kirk Memorial or for not airing Jimmy Kimmel. I know what the fascistic answer is here. And that's what the left is doing. The actual acts

of violence that they're using to compel speech. These terror attacks that I'm talking about, I don't know what you guys consume in the media. Have you noticed that this has not been a part of the conversation at all? The legacy press is pretending like none of this is. happened. To the extent that they talk about it, they are not connecting any of these events whatsoever. They're just acting like, well, the left had some great victory this week. Jimmy Kimball's going back on the air. Everybody's celebrating. It's great news for America. This is wonderful news. We stopped the fascistic Trump administration. Once again, it is a perfect inversion of the truth. It is a perversion of the events that are taking place in the

United States of America and this is somebody says it's not fascism vends it's terrorism it is both it is both it is using force to shut down dissent and is using terrorist attacks in order to do it and I'm not going to abide by it and neither should you and but again the left is celebrating this like this is like some great celebration now I don't know about you but I don't know a single person who's super enthusiastic about Jimmy Kimmel having a broadcast on ABC anymore in fact yesterday outside of Kimmel's Hollywood studio when the news broke that he was going to be coming back on air get ready for the massive crowds get ready take a look cut three at the massive reaction by the people who are crowding the streets to celebrate the return of Jimmy Kimmel here it is

Jimmy's coming back Jimmy's coming back There were five There were five Literally five people And someone dressed as a dinosaur So I guess technically six people if you count the dinosaur six that's who Disney chose

Disney chose those nut jobs over you Disney chose surrender over this country Disney chose surrendering to terror attacks and to their co-conspirators in Hollywood over the majority of our country just in case you want a reminder of the terrible direction that company continues to be on just amazing amazing we got a lot more coming up for you i've got uh i've got i've got a lot of insanity uh we've got matt van swall is going to join us also uh today um a

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oh hey you want some good news about republicans let's get to some good news about republicans so we're coming up on the midterms uh and you and i are going to be talking a lot about this coming up i've got we've got first of all we've got some elections that are happening this year that really matter virginia if you're in virginia not only do you need to get out and vote for winsome sears you need to bring out every human being you can get your hands on in virginia and get them out to vote for winsome sears for governor you've got to have a republican governor continuing to work in virginia that's a state that is slipping towards the insanity that we've seen way too many blue states.

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it is you know there's so much has been said about um about charlie kirk's influence among conservatives just in terms of like you know the way he communicates ideas but it's not just the communication that matters. It was the organization that mattered. Charlie Kirk, you listen to the president talk about this. You listen to people like Susie Wiles talk about it over the weekend. One of the reasons Charlie was so effective was his ability to get people out to the polls, especially young people, registering them to vote, getting them out to the polls, changing the dynamics in the country. Charlie's not here anymore, which means that that mission falls to the rest of us. Turning points are going to continue its great work. They're doing everything

they can to grow that mission to new levels. But the rest of us have to be as dogged as humanly possible to get people out to help make this country better, to make America great again. So that starts in places like Virginia and New Jersey this year. We're not at the midterms yet. We're in these off-year elections. Get Win some Sears across the finish line. Get Jack Chittarelli across the finish line. Fight, fight, fight, okay? We're going to keep, we'll keep talking about that. My goal is to have these guys on our shows too i want to have winsome and jack on uh to talk about these issues because i really i want to support their candidacies and um and get them across the finish line so uh that's the game plan um but going into the midterms you know i i do have some some optimistic news which is that

you know voters are reflecting well relatively well on republicans uh the view among voters is that republicans as a party led by donald trump are in a much better position than the democrats voters voters think democrats are complete idiots if you if you broadly survey democrats they have no idea what democrats even stand for they don't trust democrats they've they've seen the comparison on the economy they've seen the comparison on the border and they far prefer this is not even a close call they far prefer republican leadership here so you have to take that sentiment and turn it into votes but here's um here's uh CNN's excitable numbers guy harry Enten cut four talking about the advantage that Republicans have right now over Democrats?

What do you think? Yeah, what are we seeing? You know, Donald Trump being underwater Democrats and all this guarantees us. We're going to fly high in the midterms. Let me tell you, this guarantees you nothing, nothing, because at this particular point, the Democrats are the New Orleans Saints of political parties. What are we talking about? Trust the Dems or GOP more on the economy.

Who leads on the economy? Republicans by 7. Immigration, Republicans by 13. How about crime? A big issue for Donald Trump and the Republicans. Huge. at that, lead by 22 points. So the bottom line is this, at this particular point, the ball may be on the ground, but the Democrats have not picked up the ball and running with it. If anything,

at this particular point, it's the Republicans who are running with the ball on the top issues, the economy, immigration, and crime. 22 point advantage on crime? 22 points? Brandon Johnson, the least popular BJ in America. You continue in Chicago to protest Donald Trump trying to bring some order to that city. Just keep doing it, you big idiot. Keep doing that, J.B. Pritzker, you moron. Keep doing that. Just keep going out, Gavin Newsom and saying that President Trump shouldn't enforce the law.

Every one of you Democrats, just keep pounding that Trump. Because President Trump is demonstrating that people want law and order. A 22-point advantage, where do you think that comes from? Where do you think that comes from? What do you think Muriel Bowser, the mayor of Washington, D.C., in the end, waived the political flag of surrender and said president trump was right president trump did improve the nation's capital law enforcement has made things better the answer is because the voters in dc being what 92% democrat even they reached a critical mass where they said actually i like what trump is doing actually i like my

streets being safer i do like being able to go to work without getting mugged or screamed at by some mentally a lunatic outside of the union station i do prefer that the american people want it a 22 percent advantage yeah yeah it's huge so republicans please please i beg of you i'm talking about every other republican beside trump please follow trump's lead here please stop getting in his way please pay attention to the success he's having he's winning and if you'd like to continue winning you will enthusiastically and aggressively join the president's agenda and please do it now more ahead with the great matt van swall we're going to talk to him about one of one even more reasons why he's not a lefty anymore it's all ahead here on the program hey fall is planting season

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airlines hyatt he's done at all he was a lefty now he's conservative and he's a great guest Matt, great to have you back with us, sir. Thanks, Vince. Great to be on. So, let me, I don't know how close you're following the Jimmy Kimmel saga, but like, basically, I don't even know who watches this guy at all, but a bunch of lefties led some terror attacks on ABC affiliates over the course of the past week, and then Disney decided to reward them by putting Jimmy Kimmel back on the air.

How concerned are you about the left's proclivity for violence and what we've seen over the last few weeks especially. I mean, it's really shocking, you know, they seem to be significantly more upset about Jimmy Kimmel being off the air for five days than they were upset about Charlie Kirk, a 31-year-old father being murdered in cold blood talking to students. And not only were they not upset about it, I saw quite a few gleefully joyful about it. And I think we've kind of come to this bizarre area in our country where the sense of morality seems to be totally flip-flopped. And it's truly kind of scary when you look at the landscape of political violence coming from the left, it seems like the solution to speech that they don't like seems to be violence.

you know, even there was that guy that shout up the ABC affiliate, you know, right afterwards. And, yep, the ABC caved, you know, that's just wild. It's terrifying. And it seems to be coming from only one side of the political aisle. Can you explain that to me? I don't know. I'm not, you don't seem like a violent guy at all. But I just, I just wonder, having been on the left for as long as you were, what is that impulse? I, you know, we've talked about on this program quite a bit, the left has a really, um, unfortunate assassination culture and it shows up in all the data which is that the majority of people on the center left or beyond according to a Rutgers university survey earlier this year found that most of those people would be comfortable justifying the assassination of Donald Trump just under

a majority said that they could justify the assassination of Elon Musk and in that case like it doesn't mean that they're all taking up arms but it does say that they're completely okay with that level of violence. Where does that come from, Matt? I think it comes from just this bizarre sense of morality that any means necessary to achieve a better end. And I don't identify with anyone on the left that thinks that committing violence is an acceptable means of protest. But there is this kind of, I don't know, I think it's just a bizarre sense of morality where, you know, shutting up someone who is spewing what you would consider hate speech is a noble deed in the world. And getting rid of that person is a net positive in their mind.

And, I mean, it's a big problem. And I think that's where it come from. How much responsibility do top Democrats have for the words that are coming out of their mouths and to what extent they incite this violence? I don't think any Democrat is responsible for the evil deeds of one person. But you are responsible for the words that come out of your mouth that raise the temperature of the arena that you're in. And when you say things like Trump is worse than Mussolini and Hitler combined, someone will believe you and someone will take you seriously. and you know when you when you call all right winger's fascists which i think all of us on the right have been called fascist at some point um then yeah someone's going to take you seriously

someone is going to say hey you know what the the right response to fascism is um you know it's the whole you know should you go back and kill baby hitler in time sort of thought experiment and someone's going to play that out in real life and that's that's exactly what it's disgusting and so what did i i want to ask you um about the the charlie kirk memorial and a particular uh scene that we got to witness this weekend um one one area that i think a lot of people may have encountered you over time that is on elan musk's twitter account elon elin likes you he tends to share a lot of the stuff that you express on his platform on x um and something we saw this weekend was a scene that charlie kirk sought uh but didn't get

to live to see which is the reunion between Donald Trump and Elon Musk at Charlie Kirk's Memorial. What did you think when you saw that moment? I thought that was one of the most beautiful public acts of forgiveness that we have seen in a while. Him and Trump getting together and Erica Kirk forgiving her husband's assassin. Both of those, I think, speak to a movement that is predicated on forgiveness and Christianity. And I don't know how you can look at that and not want. to be a part of that movement.

It was so powerful. Everyone I've talked to, I mean, they can't believe it. You know, how do you have the wherewithal to forgive an assassin? It's, you know, forgiveness, public forgiveness like that is one of the most beautiful things to witness. I think everyone was moved by it. I certainly was extraordinarily moved by it. And I do think, you know, coming together, that was something that Charlie wanted. he said it publicly that Trump and Elon come back together.

And I think Elon understands the gravity of the moment. You know, his tweets after that saying the Lord's Prayer was really powerful. And I think he gets it. And it really is a battle of light versus dark. And, you know, I would never be one to be incredibly spiritual like that about it. But that's exactly what it seems like. Yeah. You know, and Elon said when he was asked,

by a reporter on the floor at the memorial, as you just alluded to, you know, what happened to Charlie. And he said that he was showing people the light and he was killed by the dark. It was one of the pithiest and I thought most consequential assessments of what exactly happened to Charlie. And you're hearing it from a guy. I don't instinctively think of Elon Musk as some sort of, you know, religious or spiritual person. But boy, it does seem like Charlie's passing has motivated a lot of people to tap into something that they don't normally tap into. Oh, 100%. I'm sure you've gotten messages like this as well, but over the past two weeks, I mean,

I've had spontaneous conversations with random strangers about Charlie Kirk's passing and how that they want to be more politically active, multiple people. My personal church was packed to the gills on Sunday, standing room only. And I know mine's not the only one. And I do think that this is a turning point for so many people that look at a left, that has lost its mind at a world that has very little morality in it and say, I want something different. And that was me too. So there was a negative reaction, of course, from the left to the memorial for Charlie this weekend. There were accusations that this is

somehow like terrible, Christian nationalism. I heard lefties referring to it as a Nazi rally. I'm not sure what kind of Nazi rally would include forgiving your husband's assassin. you know, what are the distinguishing features you think here between the way the right and the left treat faith? Well, I mean, I think that the left thinks of faith is generally just a bad thing that, you know, the separation of church and state is extreme positive and that Christianity and politics can have nothing to do with each other. And from what I saw yesterday, and again, I'm pretty new to this, but it does seem like Charlie's faith informed his political beliefs, that everyone is created equal, that everyone, you know, is endowed by their creator with inalienable rights.

Charlie believed all of those things. And it's the reason he spoke on campuses and gave people a microphone and let them disagree with him publicly. And I think that was a beautiful thing to witness. And, you know, I think just the left has lost its way on the morality front. And it's very scary because you see it being lashed out in all sorts of ways. You know, like you said, you don't ever see forgiveness at a Nazi rally. And, you know, the turning up the temperature like this, again, is just something that the left seems to continue to do even after the assassination of Charlie.

It boggles my mind. So do you think that this weekend's service for Charlie, did that in any way affirm for you your decision to become conservative? Did you look at that and you go, man, we made the right decision? Oh, 100%. A hundred percent. Like it's really telling to me that after the George Floyd and the Black Lives Matter movement that burned down cities and tried to silence people, that the opposite is occurring here. It's a movement predicated on forgiveness. It's predicated on love.

It's predicated on making sure that more people can speak and not less people can speak. You know, I can't look at that and think anything other than I'm on the right side. You can't do it. It's predicated on stability and building something. Yeah, no, it's a huge contrast. We've talked before, you and your lovely wife as well, and we were chatting on kind of your journey why you became conservative in the first place and one of the big motivating factors is your life in western north carolina in the wake of hurricane helene and the way that the

biden administration betrayed the people of western north carolina uh was horrifying um we just got an update uh this week that the department of homeland security has announced an additional 48 million $1, Secretary Nome has an additional federal disaster relief for your region of North Carolina. Tell us, Matt, to what extent does this matter and how will this help North Carolina, do you think? Yeah, I mean, it absolutely matters. You know, since Trump got in office, they've given over $2 billion to Western North Carolina. And during the Biden administration, you could talk to anyone that lived around here. they felt completely forgotten.

You know, there were people living in tents all the way up until December. And, you know, I didn't publicly come out and praise Trump until he got into office and actually did something in late January. I was very skeptical whether President Trump was actually going to keep his promises because he made a lot of big ones when he came. And he certainly did. You know, I think people forget this. But in February, the Department of Homeland Security in FEMA resolved 80% of all open FEMA cases in February, weeks after getting into the administration. And it's just amazing. It's a testament to what great leadership can do. You know, we got on a call with Cameron Hamilton, the director of FEMA at the time.

And he talked to survivors that we were working with directly and, you know, cried with them, prayed with. them said that he was going to fix their problems. And he did. He followed through. And for me, it was the follow through that really pushed me over the edge. Because there's just a lot of talk during the Biden administration about things they were going to do and never did. There was no follow through. And this administration is nothing but follow through. And that's what did it for me. All right. Matt Van Swole, before I let you go, I have to ask you, are you wearing a sweater or a bathrobe? What are we looking at right now? It's a cardigan. Sorry. cardigan house i was wondering i was like man this might be the first time we have a guest with a bathrobe on

which you know you're always welcome here regardless of your dress hey thank you matt it's great to talk to your brother good to have you on the show today all right there's matt van swall in a in a cardigan to be clear um thank you to matt for for stopping by the program um and yeah no it's been it's been it's been crazy and he's a he's a great guest we had him on for what was it the labor day special he and his he and his wife and uh you should if you want to see the full conversation on what it was like the journey that they took their transformation and what it meant for their lives and their kids uh we had a great conversation definitely go back and and watch our chat with matt um all right let me see here i've got um i've got some other big things that we have

to get to i want to talk about the impact speaking of american families the president came out yesterday alongside rfk junior the h hs secretary with the results of their findings on autism and the environmental factors that may be responsible for the skyrocketing rates of autism. And in case you're wondering about the numbers, Vince, how much has autism skyrocketed in the United States? Well, here's the president of the United States addressing it yesterday, cut seven. Take a look at President Trump. Just a few decades ago, one in 10,000 children had autism. So that's not a long time.

And I've always heard, you know, they sell a few, but I think it's a lot. less time than that. It used to be one in 20,000, then one in 10,000. And I would say that's probably 18 years ago. And now it's 1 in 31, but in some areas it's much worse than that, if you can believe it, 1 in 31. And I gave numbers yesterday for boys. It's 1 in 12. I was told that's in California where they have a for some reason a more severe problem so since 2000 autism rates have surged by much more than 400 percent yeah the autism rates have skyrocketed what what can you attribute that to now there is a there is what r fk junior has referred to as a canard that is out there saying that this merely has something to do with better diagnostics that

well as time has gone on our ability to detect and to diagnose autism has gone up meaningfully so to the extent to which you know you're now claiming that there's a higher rate of autism it's just that the medical community is better at detecting it now and that of course would be responsible for some uptick no doubt but this dramatic of an uptick and here's where rfk junior points to a specific thing he goes actually if it was diagnostic capabilities we would see an uptick in every generation we don't see that take a look at cut nine here's rfk addressing that particular lie that's one of the conard that has been promoted by the industry

for many years that it's much it's changed diagnostic criteria better recognition and but there's been study after study on if that that completely debunks that one of them by the mind institute at uc davis

University of California, but also it's just common sense. Because you're only seeing this in people who are under 50 years of age. If it were better in recognition or diagnosis, you'd see it in the 70-year-old men. I've never seen this happening in people my age. I've never seen a case of full-blown autism, and that means profound autism. I want to be very careful. head-banging, stimming, toe-walking, non-verbal, non-toilet train. I've never in my life seen a 70-year-old man who looks like that. You're only seeing it in a kids. It's an epidemic. You're only seeing it in the kids. It's an epidemic.

Now, what are they saying? Are they saying that there are no genetic factors in any of this? No, they're not saying that. Any media outlet that suggests they are saying that is lying to you. are they saying that it that it only comes from environmental factors no but they are saying that real science involves investigating what the hell is going on why is this rate skyrocketing and so yesterday they approached the microphone with some conclusions and again to be clear president trump didn't just come up with this by throwing darts at a board and going what's the problem oh the dart hit Tylenol it's Tylenol let's just go with that he scribbled on to the back of a napkin and they walked out and they just presented Trump's random finding. That's not how

any of this happened. Everybody's standing next to RFK Jr. and Donald Trump is a well-trained science and clinician. People like Dr. Marty McCarrie, Dr. J. Bottacharya, Dr. Oz, these guys taught and did medicine at places like Columbia and Johns Hopkins University and Stanford. They're reflecting on real scientific studies, including a meta-analysis that just came out of Harvard you have all sorts of indications that there are environmental factors things that are happening drugs that are being administered that are connected to rising rates and autism and these are worth not just looking at but preventing people from taking too much for fear that they may have some sort of effect especially on their children this is the most reasonable conversation

imaginable so here's rfk yesterday cut eight making the announcement lesson. First, HHS will act on acetametifin. The FDA is responding to clinical and laboratory studies and suggests a potential association between acetamapin used during pregnancy and adverse neurodevelopmental outcomes, including later diagnosis for ADHD and autism. Scientists have proposed biological mechanisms linking prenatal acetamapentin exposure to altered brain development. We have also evaluated the contrary studies that show no association. Today, the FDA will issue a physician's notice about the risk of acetametamine during pregnancy and begin the process to initiate a safety label change.

HHS will launch a nationwide public service campaign to inform families, and protect public health okay so all they're saying is the same thing that the research has been saying for years plenty of research has indicated that prolonged use of Tylenol for pregnant women on their babies in utero could result in neurological deficiencies or abnormalities this isn't it's just science baby that's all there is to it there's nothing radical extreme or bizarreo about this presentation. The only thing that's exceptional about it is it's the first time in a long time that we've seen actual government officials go after a drug that's put out by one of the major pharmaceutical companies. That's the weird thing. That's the unusual thing

because normally federal government employees, elected officials, various agency heads are captured by these industries. They do the bidding of these industries. They try and prevent those products from being diminished in use in order to help the bottom lines of those companies. Well, that's not what health is about. It's not about enriching the maker of Tylenol. Health is about ensuring the protection of the people in our country. So these guys are doing something unusual in that they're not captured by the deep state, by the pharmaceutical companies. They're just doing the job. Help. Marty McCarrie, the head of the FDA, removed the pharmaceutical companies from all of the advisory panels inside of the agents.

see but Vince what the pharmaceutical companies were on the advisory panels at the FDA that seems like a total conflict of interest yeah it is and the Trump administration got rid of that garbage and even in the media coverage today of all of this I could I could give you a million examples but let me I'll pull up the Wall Street Journal just as just as one example of this and I'm going to single them out but there's a bunch of them they did it headline in targeting common painkiller, Trump oversteps his own advisor's guidance on autism. And you read through the piece, I read through this piece, it took me until, the piece is, I don't know how many paragraphs, 20-something paragraphs, I got to the bottom of this piece. I got to the bottom of this piece. Let me see, I think they changed it now. Tylenol is currently viewed as the safest pain medicine approved for pregnant women to use. and some scientists warn that prolonged untreated fever can harm fetal development.

That's all they say. They don't mention that prolonged Tylenol use can be an issue. They don't mention the research on this subject. They don't even bother to tell you that this is a subject of the scientific community, that they've already been researching this. They've already established that acetaminophen carries risk for pregnant women. I don't know. Look, for the mothers out there, you know what this is like. And the pregnant women in our lives, men, we know what this is like. Nobody is more sensitive to what they're ingesting and nobody's more concerned about it than a pregnant woman. Pregnant women are very attentive to what they're putting into their bodies because they are trying to think very clearly about the human life that's forming within them. That's it. They care about their child. And so they stop drinking coffee and they change their diets and they're not obviously smart. smoking or drinking alcohol or any of those other things.

They're being very attentive to, okay, during this period, during this moment where this baby's gestating and this baby's going to come into the world, I've got to be very careful about what I put in. So they want all the information they can possibly get. And we've seen all of this concern trolling from the media overnight, like, oh, no, are pregnant women going to become nervous now because of what Trump is saying? Pregnant women have always been concerned about what they're ingesting. They just want maximum information. Why are you trying to hide this from them? The great Reagan Reese, my White House correspondent, asked President Trump about this yesterday, cut 10. She said, why is it taken so long for anybody to tell this story?

Why don't other people tell this story? Why did it take the Trump administration to do this? And listen to the president's answer here. It's instructive. When you say it, you get attacked. I was saying something similar, not as strongly, because now facts are on our side. But I was saying it with Bobby 20. years ago and I was attacked. I said, whoa, what was that all about? I had no idea. You get attacked. I don't know. The

medical community, drug companies, doctors, I don't know what it is. All I want to do, I don't care about being attacked. It doesn't matter to me. I believe that the numbers at the end of our term were shortly thereafter could be really phenomenal. I wanted to go up just like it came down to this horrible level. One in 10? One in 12. I was told one in 10. I was told one in 12. Today I heard one in 31 if you had the girls and the boys together. It's crazy. And it was one in 10,000 and one in 20,000. It's not even sustainable for a country. You want to know the truth. And there are other places that don't have it. Yeah. Yeah. So he's just pointing out, like they pointed out among the Amish community, for instance,

that they're very low rates of autism because they're not using Tylenol. Pregnant women aren't while they're carrying children. And so they're not seeing as high rates of autism. And these are all things worth observing. And again, they're not saying that no pregnant woman can use Tylenol. The guidance is merely that it should be a doctor prescribes the lowest dose possible for the shortest duration possible

if necessary to pregnant women. This is, whatever happened to it should be between a woman and her doctor. I mean, whatever happened to that? The left completely abandons the talking point because they're trying to serve the medical industry in order to enrich the pharmaceutical companies. It's disgusting. And I saw somebody in the chat say, hey,

the administration needs to put out links to all the studies, all the scientific studies. Good point. They did that. Here, check out the White House here. Fact sheet. Evidence suggests link between acetaminophen and autism. And in the fact sheet, they include link after link

of massive studies, large cohort studies, the nurse's health study, the Boston birth cohort, Harvard study, Harvard University, Johns Hopkins, Mount Sinai, link after link after link after link demonstrating that there's nothing here, demonstrating that there's something here that the scientific community has detected. So that's, I mean, look, this is a, this is the whole thing. The Trump administration is presenting all the evidence out there, you know, for those of us who actually pay attention to the details, we can, consume it and identify what's actually going on the media will continue to lie to you and who are they serving who are they serving the media are not serving pregnant women they're not serving

americans they're not taking care of people no they are anti-science partisan lunatics they're the very thing they accuse trump of being they say that trump is just doing something that's anti-science and is harming people no that's what you're doing when you lie to them about the existing research to protect the pharmaceutical dollars that are flowing in by way of your advertisers into your media company. And as the Secretary of War says, we're done with that shit. Great to have you with us today. Best audience anywhere.

I've got a big national radio show coming up today, 12 to 3 Eastern Time. Oh, we do have one more thing for you. I can't disappear without sharing this with you. I do have a Dan Bongino citing. Thank you, Justin, for reminding me. I have a Dan Bongino sighting. This weekend, we had the Charlie Kirk Memorial

and Cash Patel and Dan Bonjino were there. And at one moment, Dan was traversing the floor of the memorial and a sweet little girl walks up to him to hand him a Jesus figurine that she made for him. Look at this. Dan grabs her by the face.

He says, I think he said, I appreciate you. Thank you. One more time. Let me see the, I'm going to lip-read Dan here. what does he say I think he said I appreciate you or God bless you was it God bless you

okay it's a God bless you yeah it looks like it God bless you it's great to see Dan Dan tweeting it was my honor fight the good fight what a sweet little girl what a sweet moment

and good to see Dan Dan's a great American glad he's fighting the good fight for the rest of us all right big national radio show coming up today 12 to 3 Eastern Time find your local listings

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