The Dan Bongino Show - Ep. 553 Debunking the Latest Liberal Whoppers

Episode Date: September 22, 2017

In this episode -   This article exposes one of the most disingenuous media headlines I've ever seen. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2635204   Don't fall for these liberal DACA myths. ht...tp://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/09/14/9-lies-about-daca-trump-is-buying-into/   There are some problems with the GOP Obamacare replacement bill. https://shar.es/1VtSxX   I disagree with this writer's reasons for stagnating middle-class incomes. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-21/why-wages-aren-t-growing   There's a war going on behind the scenes over this tax cut. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/battle-lines-drawn-over-22-trillion-corporate-tax-break/article/2635230?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Examiner+Today&utm_source=StructureCMS   An incredible account of the growing madness on college campuses. https://www.wsj.com/articles/inside-the-madness-at-evergreen-state-1506034740   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Dan Bongino. You want the truth, come to this podcast. You want someone to BS you and be full of crap, go to a political rally. The Dan Bongino Show. We have to call it what it is and we have to stop being delicate about it. Get ready to hear the truth about America. We're not like the leftists. The conservatives don't need safe spaces.
Starting point is 00:00:20 They don't need lollipops and coloring books and teddy bears. I'm good, okay? On a show that's not immune to the facts with your host, Dan Bongino. Alright, welcome to the Renegade Republican with Dan Bongino. What the heck? Producer Joe, how are you? It's like a game show. Welcome to The Price is Right.
Starting point is 00:00:38 Well, good morning, Dan. Everything's going swimmingly here. Glad to be with ya. He's been, Joe's been in the radio industry a long time, and that was the thing, right? Puking, they called it, right? That's right, Dan. We're puking right along. And it's amazing that more people didn't find that annoying in the day.
Starting point is 00:00:55 You know what it probably was? It was probably Wolfman Jack. Remember? Remember Wolfman Jack? That's a pretty good Wolfman, dude, yeah. And you couldn't even hear him. It was like, Wolfman Jack? That's a pretty good Wolfman, dude. Yeah. And you couldn't even hear him. It was like, Wolfman Jack. And you're like, what is this guy even saying?
Starting point is 00:01:10 My father used to love Wolfman Jack. Yeah, quick thing, folks. Not to get you off track here, but Wolfman Jack, I don't know if you know this, was the start of radio syndication. Radio syndication now, like when you hear Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Mark Levin across radio stations across the country, barely existed at all before Wolfman Jack. And what he used to do is send tapes of his shows, his DJ shows out, and people would play the tapes. And that was the start of radio syndication. So interesting little thing. Clap for the Wolfman.
Starting point is 00:01:39 Yeah, yeah, Wolfman. All right. Yeah, yeah, I love that. All right. So listen, this is, you know, today's going to be one of those shows again where we just rip apart and annihilate stupid liberal fairy tales, which are so numerous. The show, it's getting easier and easier to do now
Starting point is 00:01:55 by the day, even though it takes more time. You just got to hunt them down through all the platforms. But yesterday something happened. Tbeck and Adams over at the Washington Examiner has a piece out I tweeted yesterday, which, you know what, I'll retweet again. I'll make sure to put in the show notes. That should really bother all of you on a serious note. Now, I know this is going to seem like a small, you know, non-deeply impactful story. But it just speaks to the dishonesty in the far left media and how they use headlines to manipulate you and lie to you.
Starting point is 00:02:24 A constant theme of this show from day one. Betsy DeVos, who the far left media and how they use headlines to manipulate you and lie to you. A constant theme of this show from day one. Betsy DeVos, who the far left hates. Betsy DeVos is the education secretary in Trump's cabinet. The far left hates her. Why do they hate her? Because she stands for school choice. And when I say hate, folks, I mean, I don't, that is not hyperbolic. I don't mean dislike.
Starting point is 00:02:42 I mean, hates like with a deep visceral passion. I'm not talking about all Democrats. I'm talking about the radical far left. Betsy DeVos is a very wealthy woman. I think she's married to Dick DeVos. I, I'd been out at their house and, uh,
Starting point is 00:02:55 in Michigan when I was a secret service agent, they were very nice, very pleasant to me, but they, uh, gathered their fortune through, uh, was it Amway?
Starting point is 00:03:02 And they own the Orlando magic or they did, but they, they have a lot of money and they've donated lots of money to school choice initiatives. And ironically, but you're going to help minority students more than anyone else. I say ironically, because the left wants you to believe that Betsy DeVos hates minorities, which is a typical stupid leftist response to a legitimate argument. So what happened with Betsy DeVos? So there was a headline at a story at the Hill, and I have to tell you, I'm really disappointed in the Hill for this.
Starting point is 00:03:27 Here's the headline of the story, and I just retweeted this if you're on Twitter, and if not, I'll put the Washington Examiner story in the show notes at Bongino.com. Thanks, by the way, everyone who subscribed to my email list. We had an explosion in subscriptions this week, so thank you. So here's the headline from the Hill.
Starting point is 00:03:43 Remember, Betsy DeVos is a very wealthy woman devos uses private jet for work-related travel what betsy devos joe is using a private jet for work-related travel as the secretary oh my god the nerve of that woman. The nerve. The nerve of this woman. So as T. Beckett Adams, thankfully, at the Washington Examiner, I put this under a big must-read, pointed out in the Examiner, what the headline conveniently leaves out is it's Betsy DeVos' own private jet, which Betsy DeVos is paying for out of her own pocket. Are you freaking kidding me?
Starting point is 00:04:26 Seriously, guys at The Hill. Listen, The Hill, Joe Conch over there, a lot of people do good work. But this was an unbelievably misleading far-left headline that unquestionably got the radical far-left all riled up because they didn't understand what the article was actually about. Betsy DeVos works for the taxpayers for a, at least relatively speaking compared to her income, a minuscule salary, Joe.
Starting point is 00:04:50 Can we all agree she's worth a billion dollars? If she's making $1.70 or $200 a year, frankly speaking, that's probably not a tip at a restaurant for them on a good night, right? So she's working for almost nothing. She's paying her own money to travel around on the taxpayer's behalf for work-related functions on her own jet. And the headline of the story is, DeVos uses private jet for work-related travel. Oh, my gosh. Folks, I don't want to spend a lot of time on it because it's a simple story with a simple punchline. The punchline is this.
Starting point is 00:05:21 People in the liberal media lie to you and manipulate you repeatedly. They don't want to tell you the truth because the truth always makes them look like fools this was an outrageously irresponsible headline should be retracted immediately or should at a minimum in the headline be put in context devos pays for own private jet to travel in government function that's the story i just you know, again, I'm sorry. I just find this stuff really irritating. And, you know, I defend Betsy DeVos a lot.
Starting point is 00:05:51 I think one of the reasons is, although I'm always clearing up with my audience, I don't know her personally. I met her, like I said, I've been at her house when I was a Secret Service agent. I spent a lot of time there doing some advance work. They were very pleasant to me as were their staff. But I defend her because it's just another example of the far left being completely disingenuous with you.
Starting point is 00:06:11 They don't dislike Betsy DeVos because they know her. They don't dislike Betsy DeVos because they think she'll be bad for the country. They dislike Betsy DeVos because she stands for school choice. And school choice dismantles the entire control agenda of the far left. That's it. And they will destroy her in the process if they have to. Nobody gets in the way of the far left. All right. Another example, more important right now, based on current events, what's going on. The left, again, the radical far left is losing their minds over this Obamacare
Starting point is 00:06:40 Graham-Cassidy bill. Now, to be candid on this, I'm not a huge fan of this bill, but it would be irresponsible of me to not take a position. I owe you that much on the show. Now, I don't think the bill is great for a number of reasons. Now, a lot of the reasons I think the bill is poorly written out are delineated in a conservative review piece they put out. One of them is that it really doesn't do anything to eliminate the government spending, which is becoming the problem in healthcare today, okay? It actually, the spending levels stay consistent, relatively consistent over time. So it doesn't shrink the government footprint.
Starting point is 00:07:16 But I owe you a position. It would be cowardly to not take one. And I'll tell you now, I think the bill at this point should pass, and for a couple of reasons. And I know some of you may be a little disappointed. It isn't the best solution. But at this point, there's nothing worse than Obamacare. And if we can, at a minimum, get this bill to pass and get some money to the states, maybe states like Texas, states like Georgia, states like Alabama and Mississippi, if they take that money, by the way, it's your money. It's not just saying it's federal money, it's your money, It's not just saying it's federal money. It's your money.
Starting point is 00:07:46 And can develop some kind of consumer choice-based model. It'll serve as an example to the rest of the country. Again, the bill's not perfect, but I think at this point, it's the best we can do right now. I wish it were worded better. I think Rand Paul's criticisms of the bill are genuine, are real, and I think Rand Paul is spot on. But I just think at
Starting point is 00:08:05 this point, you know, it's, we're not going to, Obamacare is killing us. We got, you know, we, and I hate that we have to do something. But at this point, I do believe that this something, this bill is better than nothing. Having said that, and I'll put the CR piece that lodges some legitimate criticisms in there about the spending. Another thing about protected classes in the bill as well. But one of the criticisms lobbed at it from the left, which are completely disingenuous. And Jimmy Kimmel in the late night audience has been reiterating some of these criticisms are just lies and made up. And what bothers me the most about the far left, like the Betsy DeVos headline, Joe, is that they make stuff up and they have no. But no urge whatsoever to be honest about it. It's like they lie. And you know what it is, Joe, is that they make stuff up and they have no urge whatsoever to be
Starting point is 00:08:46 honest about it. It's like they lie. And you know what it is, Joe? It's that they lie and they assume you'll never do the homework. Here's what I mean. There's a piece today in the Wall Street Journal, which I'm not going to put in the show notes because it's a waste of your time. I'll sum it up for you.
Starting point is 00:08:58 It's written by a leftist professor, Alan Blinder. I don't really care. He writes in the journal all the time. I've cited his work quite a bit here. The guy just, his op-ed, I still can't understand why the journal publishes this guy. I get it. They want to seem like they have both perspectives in there. But the guy just lies and makes stuff up all the time.
Starting point is 00:09:18 His op-ed pieces are so unbelievably disingenuous. And he hides behind this illusion of knowledge as he's a phd oh so all of a sudden you know you know i was having this um conversation with my wife yesterday about climate change and facts and you know she mentioned something about both sides they said you know what that's disingenuous you know there aren't both sides there's facts facts don't have sides you know what i'm saying joe there's right and wrong there aren't sides blinder says things that are factually incorrect here's an example and this is being pitched around now, the far left ecosystem, as a reason to scuttle Graham Cassidy, which is the Republican Obamacare
Starting point is 00:09:52 replacement bill now. He says in the piece, he says, Graham Cassidy, the states will lose $4 trillion over 20 years in federal funding if this thing passes now i want to be crystal clear i'm not supporting increased quote federal funding for this i'm not but i'm telling you this is a lie now he again he expects you'll do no homework on it no research but don't worry i know you live busy lives that's what i'm here for all right why do you think joe he used that 20 year window you think there was some reason behind that well there must be of course because he's a leftist professor and he wants to manipulate and lie to you so he says the states will lose four trillion over 20 years he does that because he incorporates a trick
Starting point is 00:10:36 democrats use all the time these bills due to complex uh you know a bill legislative machinations that have to go on in there are authorized over 10-year windows and typically reauthorized after 10 years. It's not a big deal, Joe. It happens like you just, you know, like you would sign. It's like saying, Joe, you're not going to get paid next week. Well, why? Well, because they have to sign the paycheck. Yeah, but they always sign
Starting point is 00:10:58 the paycheck. Yeah, but this is what the liberals are doing with this. After 10 years, there is a 99.9999999% chance it's going to be reauthorized because it always happens. It's just a function of how the budget and how the legislative process works out, right? Okay. He's using the 20-year metric instead of the 10-year metric because he wants you to believe that after 10 years, the whole program is going to go away because it's not going to be reauthorized, which never
Starting point is 00:11:26 ever happens. Do you understand how he uses it? Do you see what I'm saying here, Joe? The old liberal crystal ball, yeah. The liberal crystal ball and the liberal shell game here. Blinder is purposely misleading you, and this thing's making its rounds in the far left liberal social media
Starting point is 00:11:42 ecosystem right now. He's making you believe that the federal government is going to cut $4 trillion from the states, but he uses 20 years because he realizes after 10 years it won't be reauthorized, so he scraps the additional 10 years of spending because he wants you to believe that it's not going to be reauthorized,
Starting point is 00:11:59 although that never happens. He's just making this up. This is, guys, ladies, happens he's just making this up this is guys ladies you know what motivates me every single day to do this is just you know i have this idea for a fourth book just annihilating stupid far left arguments and assuming you're so dumb that you won't look any of it up either. That's all they do to you. They lie to you all the time. He is just making this up. He is making this thing up. Now, so remember that,
Starting point is 00:12:32 and I hope I made sense on that, folks. The program has to be reauthorized every 10 years. He uses the 20-year window to trick you into believing that the program won't be reauthorized, and therefore the money they would have spent in the second half of that 20-year thing is all going to go away and that's where he gets the $4 trillion thing from. He's just making that up. He is literally making it up because he knows it sounds intimidating. Oh my gosh, $4 trillion. Now listen, I think the federal
Starting point is 00:13:01 government needs to reduce its footprint in the health care arena. But what I don't appreciate are lies about the matter. And that's what this is. It's a totally, completely made up talking point that's going around now. And people like Jimmy Kimmel and everyone else will suck it up because they don't want to do the homework on it. Okay. There's another quote in this piece. Actually, it's from another piece about Obamacare, and I mentioned this a little bit,
Starting point is 00:13:26 so I don't want to hammer this too much, because someone said to me yesterday, by the way, I got a little offended, an email goes, I love your show, it's great to see you, but sometimes the topics can be a little repetitive. All right, that's not my fault. It's the liberals' fault
Starting point is 00:13:38 that they keep doing the same dumb stuff over and over again. It's like every day, a new nugget of dopey liberal information comes out. I have to readdress it, sadly. So my apologies, but the show has a theme, debunking liberal nonsense over and over. Liberal nonsense reappears every day. So here's a quote from another Wall Street Journal piece about this. What's really freaking out the Dems right now about Graham Cassidy. Now, just before I get to this, Graham Cassidy turns over money right now, Medicaid money,
Starting point is 00:14:06 subsidy money, all this federal money, taxpayer money you're giving to the federal government. It makes it one big, fat, juicy block grant to the states, which I don't think is the greatest idea, but it's better than what we have now. So the Dems are freaking out. So here's a quote. But these days, Dems fear that state laboratories would discredit the command and control approach to health care that they hope will lead to single payer. So in a nutshell, here's what that means. Dems are freaking out because they want Obamacare right now at the federal level to either collapse or to be an excuse to introduce a single payer model, as we've already seen with Bernie Sanders. In other words, the government controlling all of health care. Scrap Obamacare, scrap the exchanges, scrap the subsidies.
Starting point is 00:14:46 Government will be the single payer of healthcare. They are using Obamacare as a vehicle to do that. What's freaking them out right now is if Graham Cassidy does in fact block grant all this money to the states to spend as they wish, Joe, just reiterating what I said before, their fear is that states like Texas and Wyoming and really conservative states out there, Oklahoma, that they are going to take this money, return it to patients, and let the patients pick their own healthcare. And that would in turn drive down prices, which would do what, Joe? Would completely discredit the single-payer model. Because,
Starting point is 00:15:22 here's the because, because the single-payer in because here's the because because the single payer in that system is going to be you now you may say well you know we're getting the money from the government yeah but it's your money now granted i again i'm not i don't support the model because really what it means joe let's say a really conservative state like oklahoma says here's what we're going to do we're going to take this block-granted money, taxpayer money, from the federal government, Joe, and we're going to give a check to everyone who makes, I'm just making this up, but just to show you why the left's quaking in their boots.
Starting point is 00:15:53 We're going to give a check every year for $10,000 to low-income people. It can only be used to buy healthcare, and if you choose a cheaper plan, whatever, you can keep the change. Their fear here is that now that the patients have control of their own money and the government doesn't control who gets what and when. And let's say it works, which it likely would. Their fear is that the single payer becomes the patient.
Starting point is 00:16:19 And when the patient's paying with his or her own money, granted, it's from taxpayers. But you get the point. They would get the check. That all of a sudden, cost and quality will matter. And to quote this piece, it would completely discredit the command and control approach to health care, meaning the government controlling it. Because what happens, Joe, as I've cited Milton Friedman often, when patients, when people, when American citizens are buying their own health care, spending their own money, even if it's given to them by the government, but it's theirs, all of a sudden the cost of a procedure matters. You're like, wait, I can keep the change on this?
Starting point is 00:16:51 And equality matters too, obviously, because it's your body. And they are terrified that that approach will completely, absolutely discredit federal control over the system and in turn discredit single payer. Guys, ladies, again, this is really complicated stuff, but it's important you understand this. Nothing the left does they do by mistake. They didn't attack Betsy DeVos by mistake. They did it because she supports school's choice. They're not lying about the cost of Graham-Cassidy by mistake. They're lying to get you to believe that your healthcare is going to dry up and they're using Al Gore math to manipulate budget data over 20 years rather than 10 years.
Starting point is 00:17:25 It should be defined that they are freaking out over this Graham Cassidy, not because it's the greatest bill in the world, but because they think it's going to totally discredit government run health care, especially if states start turning that money back over to the patients who spend it themselves rather than the government for them. I explain that I sum that up. Yeah, rather nicely, I might say. Well, thank you. All right, one more point I want to get to on this,
Starting point is 00:17:48 and I'm going to move on, because it's important. It's this silly, ridiculous, absurd idea that everybody's talking about this Medicaid expansion as if the Medicaid expansion is somehow some benevolent force in our society, which it's not. I'll sum that up quickly. Before we get to that,
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Starting point is 00:20:02 but it's like the longest read ever. It's a two-minute commercial for my bedroom supply. All right. The Medicaid expansion, just a quick note on this, because this is a common talking point by the left as well. Medicaid is a government run federal government in conjunction with the states, basically single payer type program that pays for health insurance for lower income folks. Folks, one of the things you have to rebut immediately with the left, and I wish more Republicans would do, is the fact that government money spent on healthcare is not help. University of Virginia study, very robust study that's quoted frequently by conservatives, laid out, in my opinion, almost conclusively, how Medicaid, the government spending money on
Starting point is 00:20:42 lower income healthcare rather than turning the money over to people to buy their own healthcare does not help people. There are two findings from this study you need to keep in the back of your head for use at all times. Looking at survival rates after surgery, people with Medicaid had lower survival rates after surgery than people who have private insurance. Now, that's probably not surprising to anyone. Of course, private, you know, free market health insurance, not private, I hate that term, but free market health insurance readily available to anyone is always going to beat the government. So the fact that you have a better chance of surviving with free market insurance rather than government insurance, probably not surprising to anyone. I mean, even to liberals who quietly know the government can't run, you know, couldn't fight its way out
Starting point is 00:21:24 of a wet paper bag, right? Our military could, but I'm talking about like economically and bureaucratically, right? So government's a mess. That doesn't surprise anyone. But secondly, this should surprise everyone. The survival rates after surgery for Medicaid recipients, you had a greater chance of dying after surgery than people who had no insurance at all. you had a greater chance of dying after surgery than people who had no insurance at all. So folks, I mentioned this statistic on the show before, but it's important you note this. Now,
Starting point is 00:21:56 I think it was between a 10 and 15% greater chance of dying on Medicaid after surgery than if you had no insurance at all. That is an absolutely devastating statistic. And again, it harps back to the analogy I give all the time. It's not that government doesn't help you when you fall on the sidewalk and walks past you. That would be misfeasance. It's that the government actively engages in malfeasance. It's that Medicaid is actually hurting you. In other words, when you try to get up, the government engages in malfeasance and punches you right in the face. That is far different than just walking by you and letting you be. There's a different level of moral depravity and that's the problem i have with liberalism folks when you look at the data
Starting point is 00:22:29 and none of this should surprise you the fact that people know you don't pay for your health insurance they have no reason to satisfy you i'm not saying good doctors and hospitals won't take care of people if they can i'm just saying to you economic incentives override just about everything. And when they know you're not paying, there's no reason really, other than your own good heart, if you have one, which most of them do, thankfully, to help people out. That's why there's a survivability rate at all. Folks, Medicaid is not help. And assuming Medicaid is help, again, is an ignoring of the facts and data on the issue.
Starting point is 00:23:04 Government run health care is not help. Okay. All right. I got a couple other stories I want to get through. There's some doozies out there today. One of them is a good piece by John Binder over at Breitbart. I'll put it in the show notes today. Pretty good piece. It goes through a list of DACA lies, and there are a lot of them, but I just wanted to pull two out quickly for you. The DACA, of course, is the amnesty program for children who were brought here illegally, what the left refers to as dreamers. I prefer to call American citizens dreamers. Listen, you were brought here illegally. Of course, there's always going to be hard cases, and you have my sympathy, but that doesn't mean we should be incentivizing amnesty,
Starting point is 00:23:41 and it doesn't mean people should get a pass on breaking the rules. I'm sorry. It's an issue even in my own household. I've had some disagreements with people. But here are two of these DACA lies being told about DACA recipients that you need to rebut immediately. The first is that the dreamers, that these are all just, you know, every one of them is just stellar people and they're all going to go to medical school and be engineers and pilots and stuff. And I'm sure some of them will be. But there are a lot of people who slip through in this DACA program who are not good people. And if we're going to talk about trade-offs, which conservatives always do and liberals ignore, Joe, the good and the bad, liberals just give you emotions and flowery talk. Oh, dreamers, they never talk about the downside.
Starting point is 00:24:18 We're not going to do that here. Here's a number from the piece. There are 2,139 DACA status recipients who had their status revoked due to committing very serious crimes. In addition to the crime of being in the country illegally, Joe. That's the initial crime. So again, let's not pretend here that this is an isolated example here. There are 2,139 people who should not have been in the country who had their status revoked due to very serious crimes. So again, let's be honest about this.
Starting point is 00:24:48 Let's not just make stuff up and talk about dreamers. Nobody dreams to be a federal criminal or a local or state criminal either, committing serious felonies that lead to deportation. So let's be honest about this. Secondly, another research point. It's only 5% that were older than 18 had four-year degrees from college. So they talk about these dreamers like, oh, they're going to be doctors. You know, some of them may, folks, but the numbers don't bear that out that all of these people coming here as kids are going to go on to be productive members of society from an economic perspective. Many of them will.
Starting point is 00:25:22 Many of them will. I'm not here to disparage people because I'm just telling you that the facts and data don't back up what you're talking about with education. You want to talk facts and data or you want to talk emotions? I prefer to do the facts and data here and leave the emotions to the left because we have to talk about trade-offs. And you know what, just not to get off track here, there's another story I wasn't going to cover, but it just kind of, there's an interesting parlay here from this, right? I read a piece this morning about productivity and why wages are stagnant.
Starting point is 00:25:51 And this is a topic that's come up on the show multiple times. For those of you who haven't heard my prior rants on this, there is a really very – and it's a good discussion. I have to tell you, I give him credit on this one. Even some liberal economists have added to the debate trying to figure out one of the greatest economic conundrums of the past decade. And the question is this,
Starting point is 00:26:15 why the heck aren't wages going up? It's really a big mystery. There's an interesting article in Bloomberg today. It skews big time left. This guy, his overall larger thesis, he posits out there that it's all due to union influence, that union influences Wayne Joe, that people are not joining unions in the private sector like they were in the past, so that unions and workers don't have bargaining power. That's not what I want to really get into today. I've told you my theory on this multiple times. Mine is that the government footprint after President Obama and during the last years of Bush where we expanded federal spending through stimulus and TARP and programs like that has obviously sucked money out of the private economy.
Starting point is 00:26:57 That money hasn't gone into building new factories with new equipment, which hasn't let workers be more productive. equipment, which hasn't let workers be more productive. The way you get more productive, Joe, is you trade a shovel for a big piece of caterpillar equipment where you can do 10 times the work and demand 10 times the pay. You get what I'm saying? Sure. That money has come out of the economy. And I don't think, although this is, again, the greatest economic conundrum of our time, just Google, why are wages stagnant?
Starting point is 00:27:21 You'll see a million articles. They'll creep up everywhere. You'll see some really, you'll learn a lot too if you do that. I believe the answer is very simple. Again, it's just the money was taken out of the economy. It's not going into investment. And it shows when you look at the investment numbers, when you look at outside of real estate, investment in business and capital, you'll see the numbers are down. So again, I don't think the explanation is complicated at all. The reason I bring this up in relationship to giving you both sides of an argument as it relates to DACA and how conservatives I think are honest and liberals aren't, is I'm going to be honest with you about something that
Starting point is 00:27:53 liberals won't tell you, right? The union argument the guy makes in the piece, Joe, that, well, wages are down because union membership is down. There's probably an element of truth to that. And I know a lot of conservatives and some libertarians would say would shriek in terror and say gosh we can't be talking about that uh why i mean it's it's it's probably there's probably a solid element of truth that there is no doubt joe that joining a union gives you a larger degree of bargaining power with your employer than your bargaining or than if you're bargaining on your own right there's i mean there's something complicated about that. So I did a little homework on this, and then I decided not to cover the story in the show,
Starting point is 00:28:32 which ironically we're covering in the show, because I was like, gosh, I got so much else to get to, but it's important here. I'll give you the data on this. There's a couple interesting pieces. This is one at the Washington Examiner showing that, yes, in fact, when right-to-work states, where you're not forced to join a union, that's what right-to-work states are. Unions don't have monopoly power to force you to join in right-to-work states. That wages, Joe, are a little bit lower. But now here's what we give you.
Starting point is 00:28:58 Because that's where liberals stop. You see the point I'm trying to make, Joe? Liberals stop at DACA by saying, they're dreamers. They're dreamers. Great kids. They're all going to go to college and become PhDs. Conservatives, we say, yes, some of them will. You're right.
Starting point is 00:29:11 But here's the downside. Now form an opinion. Now here's on the union issue. The guy said, oh, unions. We need more unions. Wages would go up. Yes, you're correct. But here's a problem. You would probably get more unemployment because in the research out there, Joe, again, we do facts and data on the show. Liberals, stop're correct. But here's the problem. You would probably get more unemployment because in the research out there, Joe, again, we do facts and data on the show.
Starting point is 00:29:28 Liberals, stop listening now because your argument's going to be right to work states, wages go down. Yep, point stipulated. They may go down. They may not. But the evidence shows wages are a little lower. But so is unemployment.
Starting point is 00:29:42 So my question to you is, are you willing to make that trade-off? I'm a conservative. I'm laying out a court case for you. I'm laying out the facts. You're all grown, very smart adults. You make a choice. Unlike liberals, so I'm not going to lie to you.
Starting point is 00:29:55 I don't make the court case and go, do you want to join a union? If you do, your wages will go up. Everybody's going to go like barking seals. Yeah, yeah. Until you put the real facts on the table yes your wages may go up but you may lose your job wait wait what what huh huh come again folks this is what we do different this is why it's so hard to be a conservative because you have to give people the hard truth
Starting point is 00:30:20 i don't run from liberals when they issue a common sense argument. Hey, your wages may go down. Correct. Okay, they may. They may not. As a matter of fact, there's a good chance they may not. But I'm telling you as well that there's a good chance you might lose your job in the future as companies and corporations move where they have greater labor flexibility. That doesn't bother you at all?
Starting point is 00:30:43 Are you interested in both sides? Are you just interested in making silly emotional talking points? Gosh, I didn't even want to cover this today, seriously. But I just, I read the Bloomberg piece and he's making this case, an elegant case, but he doesn't make the counter argument in there.
Starting point is 00:30:59 He's like, well, you know, wages are stagnant because, you know, the union power has decreased. Well, ask yourself why, folks. Why is union power decreased? Because the states declare themselves right to work, meaning you don't have to join a union. People aren't joining.
Starting point is 00:31:14 What are you, I mean, what's your case that they're stupid? They just don't know what's good for them? That people are quitting the unions because they're so wonderful? I'm not knocking unions, guys, ladies. I'm not at all. Grew up in a union family. I'm i'm just telling you should be free to join i believe in this crazy thing called economic liberty and freedom well that's nuts i just i feel a responsibility to give you both sides and for you to make your own opinions you're all smart people and i'm begging you again do not listen to liberal banter conservatives will tell you the
Starting point is 00:31:46 truth even if you you may hear what i just told you and say okay you know what i don't like that deal i want my wages to be high even if it leads to some risk variability and me keeping my job that's fine folks that's a perfectly rational decision for you to make but at least we told you the truth not like alan blinder who's lying to you about the Obamacare replacement bill strictly to manipulate you. That's the only thing he's doing with creating a 20-year window on a 10-year bill. He's lying, and he's hoping you're too stupid to figure it out. This guy's a PhD. Man, it's frustrating.
Starting point is 00:32:22 Okay, and the divorce thing, too, totally made up. All right, what else are we going to get to? Oh oh oh oh oh this is a this is a doozy uh another good piece in the journal today um evergreen state college uh i i brought this story up about a month ago there's a biology professor at evergreen state college and they had this this, I mean, liberal kookiness. It never ends. They had a day of absence at this college. And supposedly what the day of absence used to be, Joe, was on the college, the day of absence was minority students were supposed to leave the campus. I'm not really, I'll be honest with you, it's hard for me to understand the liberal mind. And I don't want to be disingenuous, but I really don't get what it was about. Maybe to show the world what the college,
Starting point is 00:33:10 what the world would be like without black or Hispanic students. It's hard for me to understand the liberal mind in that respect. I don't get what they were trying to do, but let's assume that was the case. It was a day of absence. Bottom line is a couple of geniuses on the campus, a couple of far left radical nut jobs were like, let's reverse the day of absence and let's ban white people from the campus on it. Now, that's that's that's an interesting development. So thankfully, as a society, we've evolved from the dreaded, horrendous Jim Crow era where black Americans were forced to drink from a colored water fountain. And now we're going back to resegregation. Thanks to how Joe is in anything I'm telling you. Is that not resegregation?
Starting point is 00:33:54 Am I crazy? No, you're not. No, that's not. All you're doing is changing the color. Right. No white people on campus this day of absence. So this biology professor over there basically gave them the double-barreled middle finger and said,
Starting point is 00:34:08 who happens to be white, by the way, he's like, I'm not staying off campus. I'm going to work. I mean, I get paid to teach. This guy got accosted. I just talked about this. It was all over Fox. Happened about a month, month and a half ago, maybe two months ago. This guy got accosted. People were, I mean, it really, it almost got
Starting point is 00:34:23 violent. So there's an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal today where there was a FOIA request, basically a freedom of information, and it is a doozy, Joe. Talks about all the emails that were discovered pursuant to this freedom of information request about this because what happened is there was a lawsuit filed by this guy, good for him.
Starting point is 00:34:42 Used the process against them like they use it against us. The professor and he basically sued saying hey you guys created a really unsafe work environment for me and apparently he won he won like five hundred thousand dollars he left he left the college now yeah good for him right but the college's defense was that oh no it wasn't a hostile work environment this guy's exaggerating so they put this FOIA request out there and the emails are now being exposed and leaked and they are a really unbelievable view like a a an open view into the mind of the corrupted academic far-left kook there was a woman in there an email she teaches I shouldn't laugh but no you know what I should because it's ridiculous. Her name is Naima Lowe.
Starting point is 00:35:26 I think it's N-A-I-M-A. So I think that's Naima. Naima Lowe. She teaches media studies. What is that? Like a book on how to manipulate and lie to people? It's all in one. That's the shortest book ever, Media Studies.
Starting point is 00:35:39 Manipulate and lie to advance the liberal agenda. Thanks for taking the course. Have a nice day. So Naima Lowe. She's writing emails as this whole thing is going on, and lie to advance the liberal agenda. Thanks for taking the course. Have a nice day. So name alone. She's writing emails as this whole thing is going on, this day of absence where white people were supposed to stay off campus. And this goes to show you the sickness of critical theory.
Starting point is 00:35:57 Critical theory, which I always bring up, because if you don't understand critical theory, you'll never understand the far left mind. Critical theory is the idea that white men, anything white men say or anything white men do is only done to reinforce their own power. Therefore, nothing they do when they have no seat at the table,
Starting point is 00:36:16 nothing they do is credible. Not their science, not their words, not their facts. Their facts are just facts used to reinforce their own power. If this sounds dumb, that's because it is. It's the most ridiculous thing ever. But folks, this is what motivates the entire far-left ideology critical theory. And the biology professor brings this up, too, in some of his prior writings when he was ripping this day of absence, saying how he teaches science and he just doesn't understand how in these social sciences they can just make this stuff up. just doesn't understand how in these social sciences they can just make this stuff up. But this name-a-low lady wrote that white supremacy is literally ingrained in everything
Starting point is 00:36:50 in a response. Now, where did that response come from? She was attacking these people who were objecting to this and saying that the more you object to the principle the day that white people should basically apologize and stay off campus reinforces the idea that you were in fact a white supremacist this is the liberal mind do you see what they did joe oh do you see what they did there they did this is this is a this is a strategically clever but morally vacuous and sick thing to do the premise this name a low lady puts in her email is that white supremacy is so real and
Starting point is 00:37:26 so abundant so everywhere that when you defend yourself against it it's only more evidence of your white supremacy in your effort to stay in power as a white man yeah do you see how that circular reasoning leaves you no way out right and do you see how that also justifies violence against you in the eyes of the antifa and far-left radical coup crowd because then you have nothing to say if you say something it's evidence of your white supremacy if you fight back it's evidence of your white supremacy if you go to speak up violence is justified because again your effort to speak up is further reiterating your commitment to white supremacy there There is no debating that.
Starting point is 00:38:07 Now, why am I bringing this story up? Because I always tie shows together. Because as I said to you, I have a responsibility as a liberty-loving constitutional conservator, conservatarian, to give you both sides of an argument, but to back it up with reason, facts, and data. Folks, you can't argue with far leftists. I'm not telling you you shouldn't. I'll tell you why in a second, but I'm telling you you can't because the arguing process doesn't exist. In other words, it's a boxing match where the guy brings in a machine gun. You're like, wait,
Starting point is 00:38:37 wait, wait, this is a boxing match. They're like, yeah, for you. You have to get on the boxing but I don't have rules. Matter of fact, if the machine gun doesn't take you down, I'm going to drop a nuclear bomb on you. Do you understand? Like there's no rules for them. Everything you do is evidence of your own malevolence. Defend yourself that you're a white supremacist. Now you're more of a white supremacist.
Starting point is 00:38:56 Speak out. Beat him up. Don't let him reinforce his white supremacy. Name a low in his one email sums it up. White supremacy is literally ingrained in everything. According to name a low, nobody his one email sums it up. White supremacy is literally ingrained in everything. According to name a low, nobody else, no reasonable people, this is what they do. Now, I said I would get back to that,
Starting point is 00:39:15 but the reason you want to argue with these people and argue ferociously is because there's always a third party listening. I've told this story before. When I run for office, there's always someone listening who hears those arguments. And well, if you can be persuasive and you have your facts and data, you can change that third party.
Starting point is 00:39:33 I heard a speech once where a guy brought this up, and he was absolutely right. I had experience with the Maryland County Fair when I used to run for office and shake a lot of hands. Liberals would come up, especially on school choice. You'd get teachers union advocates who would go crazy on me. You don't know what you're talking about. Kids need to be, public schools are going to drain money for all nonsense, liberal talking points, easily debunked nonsensical stuff.
Starting point is 00:39:53 And you try to stay as calm as you can. Didn't always work for me. But I can't tell you how many times someone listening to the conversation would wait for that person to leave and come back and go, hey that was really good like i didn't know all that stuff so argue with your liberal friends only because third party's listening you may but you're not it may you know you may influence them you're not going to influence these these critical theory nutbags on the left they have to come to the realization on their own that their their theory that white supremacy is everywhere therefore if you're white you have no right to speak is circular, dumb reasoning of the highest order.
Starting point is 00:40:27 There's no getting out of it. All right. Let's see. One more story, and we'll run for the day. By the way, I'm strongly considering, and thank you for the feedback,
Starting point is 00:40:37 doing that Rough Cuts show next week. So, you know, Rough Cuts, where I'll be covering some culture stuff, some working out stuff, some Brazilian jiu-jitsu stuff. So Joe and I are strongly considering it. I don't want you to think we abandoned the idea. I just, there's some
Starting point is 00:40:50 people who don't want it on this feed, I guess, but the reaction's been overwhelmingly positive, so we're still thinking about it. But there's an argument breaking out right now in Congress over this corporate tax cut, and just summed up quickly, there's a growing head of steam for full expensing.
Starting point is 00:41:07 Do you know what full expensing is, Joe? Full expensing is this. So Joe, you work at WCBM. If WCBM, the radio station, were to invest in new transmitters and new sound equipment and everything like that, let's say the equipment costs $10,000. Full expensing would be the ability for WCBM to knock that, to deduct that off their taxable bill, to deduct the $10,000. So in other words, whether it goes as a tax credit or a tax deduction, let's say your
Starting point is 00:41:32 income at WCBM is $100,000 a year for whatever, the company. Right. They would be able to deduct that $10,000. They would only have to pay taxes on, say, $90,000. Make sense? Yep. Because they spent $10,000 in equipment. The idea of full expensing is that it's expensing what happened right now.
Starting point is 00:41:47 Now, we have that, but now we do it on depreciation schedules. I'm not going to get too wonky with it. Most of you business students already understand this stuff anyway. But the way it's done now, Joe, is that $10,000 isn't deductible in year one, depending on the type of equipment. You can deduct, say, $2,000 of it in year one, $2,000 in year two, $1,000 in year three, until the full $10,000 is deducted over time. And that's called a depreciation schedule, okay?
Starting point is 00:42:12 Okay. Now, the obvious downside to that for a company is if you spend a lot of money on investment, again, tied into the what? The median wage story, right? How wages aren't going up because we're not investing. Companies generally don't like depreciation schedules because they want to get the tax break right away. Makes sense, right, Joe?
Starting point is 00:42:33 Why get a tax break in five years if you get it right now? Right. So this expensing idea has some supporters. Now, you may say this sounds like an overall great idea. I mean, why would any business not want a tax break now that they're currently taking over a depreciation schedule, right? Well, one of the reasons is there's a fear in Congress, and this is legitimate, and I know the Koch brothers are really against this
Starting point is 00:42:55 expensing thing, that they're going to trade that off for what would have been lower rates all around. You get what I'm saying? In other words, here's full expensing WCBM, but instead of giving you a 15% corporate tax rate, now we're only going to do 20. You get what I'm saying? So here's my take on it. Again, I have a responsibility
Starting point is 00:43:13 to give you an opinion on the matter. It's an important issue. Believe me, it's going to affect your life. Just do both. Do full expensing and a big corporate tax cut.
Starting point is 00:43:21 And then you will see a bump up in investment. And then the story I told you about in the beginning at Bloomberg about why this big economic conundrum about why middle class wages aren't going up. I promise you, you will see middle class wages go through the roof because people will start investing in equipment that allow you to be more productive and claim more in wages. This is only complicated for liberal economists who don't understand the economics and need Jay's abacus sent to their house for the regular listeners. All right, folks, thanks again for tuning in. Thanks to everybody who picked up my book this week. Thanks for all the reviews on iTunes and
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