The Dan Bongino Show - Ep. 602 This Indisputable Fact Will Drive Your Liberal Friends Mad

Episode Date: November 30, 2017

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All right, on with the show. Yeah, still in Dallas doing the road show. Just got off of Fox and Friends. A little shout out to Sean over there. He said he's listening to my show. So I appreciate that, Sean. Thank you very much. Show's been doing great. Thanks to all of you. I really appreciate the listenership. We've been rocking and rolling lately. Again, thanks to you and word of mouth we don't even have we should maybe start advertising joe isn't that what they do they do in business you know you have a product to pet rock maybe we should advertise more people want to pet rock so one of these days we'll start doing that but word of mouth's been great so i appreciate it and quickly big shout out to ron p you know who you

are ron he sends me great sound bites joe just can you can you queue up the first one for me so this one for those of you who've been regular listeners to the show you know my wife loves donnie brasco the movie and there's a line where al pacino's lefty's talking to donnie brasco on the couch in his house and the son comes in lefty's son and he's a junkie and he says says, you know, Lefty says to Donnie Brasco, you know, my son's a junkie. And my wife always finds it fascinating. Donnie's response is?

Play it again? That's it? What are you going to do? My wife loves that. So Ron P sent us in that soundbite. We'll be using that. And then we got this other one, Joe. Play the other one.

Yeah. Which is, of course, from Trading Places. We don't need, it ain't safe be a no-jive turkey this close to Thanksgiving. Yeah. So thank you. Funny stuff. Thanks, Ron. All right, let's get right to the material. So this has really been on my mind, is bothering the snot out of me lately.

There is a stipulation trying to be inserted into this tax bill at the last minute by Bob Corker is one of them and some GOP senators for a trigger to kick back higher tax rates if, in fact, expected revenue does not come into the government. Now, ladies and gentlemen, this is a really bad idea. Now, let me just say in the past, just to be clear, because I don't like to step on myself. I have I am so confident based on the Joe, that after these tax cuts, government revenue may take a short temporary dip, but will definitely expand over time because the economy will grow bigger.

And it's just simple math, folks. Do you want to take 10% of $100,000 or 10% of $150,000? So even at a lower rate, do you want to take 10% of 100,000 or do you want to take 5% of a million? The answer is 5% of a million. Yeah. So tax rate cuts, I'm sure over time based on the evidence. And you know what? I always debate putting this in the show notes because I've done it a thousand times. Maybe I'll

add this one today. I'm going to send in the show notes, very easily readable tax tables. I want you to look at them. It's really simple. It doesn't take a degree in Microsoft Excel to be able to read this. I want you to look at some critical periods in this, folks. And this is for our liberal listeners. This is why I titled this thing, a point that'll make your liberal friends crazy. I want you to ask them this question. When in American history have we enacted a tax cut, a significant one? I'm not talking like, you know, an excise tax on pet rocks. I mean a significant tax cut, income, capital gains, or corporate. And the government, the federal government, lost revenue. Don't tell me about Kansas.

Kansas is doing fine. They've recovered quite nicely, actually. And that's just a nonsensical case they bring about because of some anomalous tax reform that I think even Kansas, excuse me, would agree was not designed very well. I'm talking about at the federal level. When has a tax cut led to decreases in government revenue? Now, I know your regular listeners hear this all the time. Some of you may be like, you know, say it again, Dan.

People need to hear it. Some of you may be like, all right, you said it a thousand times. But folks, this is a critical argument because it buttresses, Joe, does it not? Every single thing we're talking about yeah if you're a liberal listener right now and your argument is that tax rate tax rate cuts are a bad thing because it's going to cost the government money and the government can do better things with your money than you can and it doesn't in fact cost the government money matter of fact it gives the government more money in a growing economy do you understand your entire ideology is crap? It's garbage. It's bankrupt. It means nothing. How is what you're saying true?

So I'm asking you, I'm begging you, I'm imploring you to ask your liberal friends, again, this simple question. When is a significant tax cut in the federal government in the history of the federal government cost the government money? Now, I'll include the tax tables today. Keep it up on your iPhone. That's what I do. I keep it up in one of my tabs. You know how the iPhone works. A lot of you, you have the windows you can open up there. And I, oh, hey, by the way, one quick correction, not to get sidetracked in yesterday's show. Thank you for listening. The presidency is obviously Article 2. Article 3 is the courts. I'm sorry I screwed that up yesterday, but I was excited

about the point, just like I'm excited about this one. But I didn't want to forget to mention that. The tax tables, I keep it on my phone because you could show your liberal friends right there. Name the year of the tax cut. What, 1986? Ronald Reagan? Where they dumped the federal top income tax rate from 70 to 28 percent? Pull it up. Say, okay, here's the tax revenue for 1986.

You know what? I have it right here. I mean, I can read this. I didn't intend on doing this in the show, but it's important, and I promise I'll get back to this trigger thing in a minute. But this is, I got to set it up right. So taxpolicycenter.org. I will put this chart up.

It's unbelievably easy to read. It's not complicated. Okay, here's the tax revenue, folks. Let's go back a year before, Joe. 1985, right? Tax revenue to the government joe 734 billion major tax cut in 1986 matter of fact one of the biggest tax cuts in american history the top marginal rate on income tax joe went from 70 to 28 so the liberal argument is oh my gosh

this is gonna forget if the economy's gonna fall fall apart. It's going to collapse. We're all going to die. That's their argument, right? Right. Well, what was the tax revenue in 1986? $769 billion. Well, what was the tax revenue in 1987 after the tax cut? Surely it went down from $769 billion, Joe. Surely. Wrong.

$854 billion. Huh. What was the tax revenue in 1988? $909 billion. What was the tax revenue in 1989? 909 billion. What was the tax revenue in 1989? 991 billion. Folks, it goes on. And you may say, oh, well, you know what? You're just pointing out the Reagan example. Okay, tax revenue went up after tax cuts. Folks, again, this is taxpolicycenter.org. I'll put the link. Just read it, watch it, look at it, own it, smell it, love it. These are facts. This is not Dan Bongino's opinion. Then you say, oh, well, you know what?

The George W. Bush tax cuts, those surely, surely did us in. They caused massive debt and deficits. Tax cuts didn't cause the debt and deficits. Exploding government spending did, because more government money came in, meaning they spent more money. Joe, are you getting the logic I'm putting down here? I'm following right along with you. Yep. Thank you. If more government money came in after the tax cuts and yet the debt went up,

how is that the fault of the tax cuts and not the spending of more government money afterwards? Yep. Folks, I'm really sorry. I'm not trying to insult you as the audience. I mean it. You're my audience. I love you to death. My entire livelihood is producing content exclusively for you. But I'm asking the liberal listeners here to just logically answer the question. If we enacted tax cuts, tax revenue went up, the debt and the annual deficits went up as well, then how is that the fault of tax cuts? More government money came in, not less. You just spent more than it came in. This is only complicated to liberals who have a tough time at math. So getting back to my point here too, you may say, oh, well, you're cherry picking examples, Ronald Reagan. Let's go to

recent times. Go to George W. Bush. That surely you screwed us over. Okay. George W. Bush enacted the tax cuts in 2003. What was the tax revenue to the government, Joe, in 2002? 1.8 trillion. All right. Okay. So 2003, tax cuts get enacted, right? It's 1.782 trillion. So it went down. Okay. The tax cuts got enacted in 2003 though. So this proves the point even more. So the year before the tax cut, it's 1.8 trillion, Joe. The year the tax cuts are enacted, it's $1.7 trillion. Now look what happens after they take hold in the economy. 2004, $1.88 trillion. 2005, $2.15 trillion.

2006, $2.40 trillion. 2007, $2.56 trillion. Folks, gosh, I'm sorry to do this to you, but these are just facts. They're just facts. You know, I like Shapiro's line. I wish I would have thought of it first. Facts don't care about your feelings. Shapiro's right.

These are just facts with how you feel about them. And if you're a snowflake and you need a safe room because you heard it or a safe space or crayons or color forms or a hot cocoa in your pajamas that you need that stuff after you're hearing these facts is not my problem that's your problem these are facts they're not facts don't lie facts don't have spin facts are just facts the facts are this george w bush ronald reagan calvin coolidge john f kennedy bill clinton enacted tax cuts and government revenue from those specific taxes went up and not down those are are facts. I'm sorry to keep bringing this up on the show, but this tax argument is heating up specifically today because the Senate may pass this bill soon and liberals are losing their minds. They're on Twitter freaking out about the government debt. You have Republicans freaking

out about a trigger. Now let me get back to that point. This required a big setup here because a lot of rhinos out there are saying, well, government revenue, Joe, is important, so we need a trigger mechanism. And the trigger mechanism is this. The trigger mechanism, and I'll put articles about this stuff in the show notes today at Bongino.com, or if you subscribe to it by email list.

The trigger mechanism being proposed is, if in a few years, Joe, these tax cuts lead to a decrease in government revenue, then this, air quotes here, trigger would be enacted that would automatically instill back the old higher tax rates. Now, in the past, I have not been particularly annoyed by this idea. Matter of fact, at some point, I think I may have at least ideologically supported it because I'm so comfortable that this is going to happen, that there's going to be an increase in tax revenue. I don't even think it's a penalty. But as I've grown older and a little bit more intelligent, I've realized that Democrats, Joe, will take advantage of anything and will look for any excuse to take more of your money and that this is a particularly atrocious idea because they will look for any way to massage statistics and data to find some legal low pole to enact higher tax rates. So I'm asking the Bob Corkers of the world, with all due respect, what the hell are you thinking? What are you thinking? Like, why are you bringing this up? Now, I have a proposal to counter Bob

Corker, and this is why I wanted to open up with this today. Get ready for this one, Joe. All right. If Bob Corker really wants to push this, is Bob Corker willing to add on to his own amendment a reverse trigger? Do you see where I'm going with this? A reverse trigger, Joe. This is a good one. How about we do this? We say, okay, Bob, listen, we shouldn't do this.

But just as an ideological point, we should say, Bob, how about this? You want a trigger in case the government, quote, loses money, which is nonsense, it's your money, from tax cuts to enact the old higher rates. But if the government raises more money, like it did under Reagan or George W. Bush, can we put a reverse trigger that goes to an even lower rate that gives that money back to the people? What do you think, Joe? I like it. I think it's time for our yeah guy. Play the yeah guy. Yeah. Well, you know, that's just like your opinion, man.

He's always like, there's never a bad time for the dude. I mean, I know, I know I'm driving you nuts. It's just the funniest quote ever. I think that that'll be sadly Corker's response, but this is what we have to do. We have to incorporate a reverse trigger with the trigger. And if we did that, I think Corker would balk. And I think it's because Corker just doesn't like Trump at this point. And he's looking to throw any obstacle or roadblock in the way of this tax reform. Now, folks, that's, well, not yet.

But this is the good news portion of the show. Because I like facts and I like data, I want to be fair and give you kind of a full spectrum analysis of what's going on. There is some troubling news about the economy, too. So let me just finish up the good news part first, because I should have left you with the good news and started with the bad news. But I have some other stuff I want you to be cautious about, and it's a warning sign for all of us. You know, we don't want, as Alan Greenspan, I think, once. That was him. He said, irrational exuberance, that can always be trouble in an economy. Here's some more good news. The third, was it the quarter, 3.3% economic growth was revised up in the last quarter. 3.3% GDP growth, excuse me,

to be more precise. That is a pretty big and solid and strong number. If we could continue that over the course of the year, Trump will be the first president in, in what now, nine years now to reach 3% GDP growth because it never happened on an annualized basis for Barack Obama. Let me repeat that. Barack Obama's administration never reached 3% annual growth in any year of his presidency. He's the first president not to do that. That is, again, a fact. I know it's a troubling fact, but it is a fact. Trump has done it now each quarter. And I'm not saying Trump is solely responsible, folks. I don't believe the president controls the economy to that degree. But I am saying that his policies have had a lot to do with this, and this is not coincidental. He is the first president to do that. If Trump does that, he's going to be the first president to do it in a very long time, which will be great. So that's

really good. They revised the numbers up to 3.3% GDP growth. That's solid. Secondly, the Dow now crossed 24,000 this morning. Another good sign saying that people have some faith in the economy, you know, businesses, bigger businesses that are publicly listed. 24,000 is a pretty good number. And that's the good news. There is some bad news, though. All right, before I get to that, let me just do this reach for our companies. They support our show. I appreciate you supporting our sponsors, by the way.

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of applause. So folks, again, in the interest of being candid with you and not being Pollyanna-ish like the Democrats were about Obama, there are some troubling signs in the economy. Something happened recently. I'm not going to spend too much time on this because I don't want to be hyperbolic or overly dramatize it, but there's been a sell-off in Chinese bonds lately, and people are starting to worry

if this is a precursor for overinflated asset values ahead. When I say asset values, basically what they're saying is this. Is the stock market where it should be? Is the bond market where it should be right now? Or are we in another bubble? And if this bubble bursts, are we all in trouble? Now, it hasn't been a massive explosion in the Chinese bond market. And to be fair, it's worthy of concern, but it's not the bond market apocalypse. But it is troublesome. And here's why, folks. When interest rates go up

in the economy, and this is what has me worried a little bit, just follow this. I'm not going to bore you to death with wonkery, but you have to understand this. When interest rates in the economy go up, it's not always a bad thing, but you can have two relatively pernicious side effects. Number one, when the Federal Reserve or any central bank, whether it be in China or the Federal Reserve here in the United States, raises interest rates, Joe, logically, it makes the cost of money and the cost of capital higher. Right. I mean, if an interest rate's 2% and you want to get, which is ridiculously low,

but say as a business loan, you can get for 2%, which is never going to happen, and you can expand your business. Joe know, Joe's making computers or whatever. He needs to get another product line going. Joe needs a loan. If Joe's paying 2%, that's nothing. That's penis. Joe's essentially getting the money for free. If interest rates in the economy were to go up, let's say, you know, let's use a hyperbolic

example. Let's say they go up to 6% and they triple. The interest costs for Joe now on any future loans are dramatically higher. The interest costs are going to be three times higher, right? That's a big deal. So, I mean, this is the obvious point, that when interest rates go up, money and the cost of capital goes up, and it's harder to invest in your business at those higher rates. Now, the good part of that is people who have capital, older folks who have accumulated assets over the course of their lifetime, Joe, who are lending the money, get a higher interest rate back. So it's not all bad.

But I just want to give you a fair analysis. Now, and I promise I'll relate this to the story in a second. But secondly, the second dangerous side effect of growing interest rates in the economy is a lot of people are invested in bonds. Bonds are just, you know, more securitized asset instruments. People buy them. Government bonds, you buy a business bond, they guarantee you a certain payment at a certain yield over time.

The problem with interest rates is as interest rates go up in an economy, bond prices go down for the very simple reason that if I can buy a bond at 2% now, and that's the best I can do, that's gonna return me to, just like% now, and that's the best I can do, that's going to return me to, just like I said, the interest rate before was 2%. If I can get a bond that's going to return me 2%, I'm willing to pay a certain price. And then all of a sudden interest rates jumped to 6%.

All of a sudden, Joe, that 2% bond looks pretty crappy, right? Right. Because why would you go buy a bond that was going to give you 2% if you could buy one that will give you 6%. So interest rates and bond prices move in the opposite direction. The problem with that is as interest rates go up, again, number one, it makes it harder to get your hands on money. But number two, if you're a holder of bonds, you can be pretty much wiped out. Now, that's kind of what's happening right now in the Chinese bond market as interest rates are rising a bit. Now, I bring this up because, folks, I told you the good news. I'm optimistic. Let me just be clear on this, but

be careful because interest rates at this point are not going to go down in the United States. I think that's clear based on the economic recovery we're in, that the Federal Reserve is going to raise interest rates to kind of tighten up money a little bit out of fear of an exploding bubble economy. As interest rates go up, there are a lot of bondholders out there, folks, that bought these bonds at very low historic rates. Many of them could be hurting bad. They could be hurting real bad. This is not a small market, okay? This is a very big market for those types of assets, whether it's government bonds, blue chip companies or corporate bonds, whatever it may be. We could be in a little bit of trouble.

Secondly, a warning sign here. Again, not to scare anyone, but just keep your eye out. Not all Pollyannas. That's what the Democrats do. The stock market, Joe, right now, I'm a little cautious. I'm not a financial analyst. Folks, do what you want. There are people out there who spend their entire time looking at stock prices, and I'm

sure you have some great info. I'm just telling you, let me just give you the numbers, and you do what you want. The stock market now, at least historically speaking, is unusually high. Using a metric, a pretty standard one, I mean, it's not the most detailed metric out there, but if you use like a price to earnings ratio, in other words, what's the price of the stock compared to the earnings, Joe? Pretty simple, right? I mean, you don't want a stock where the price of the stock is 50,000 times the earnings of the company. How the hell are you going to get that money back? The S&P, the PE ratio now, the S&P is 25.2. That's 63% higher than the average. So again,

I'm just saying, be cautious. I think a lot of money, given the artificially low interest rates we've had over time with the Federal Reserve, a lot of money has flowed into stocks because people are chasing that higher yield, Joe. They're having a hard time finding it with all those low interest rates. Remember I said people have money benefit from higher interest rates because they can lend it out at a higher interest rate. But when interest rates are low and you can't lend that money out at a higher interest rate. But when interest rates are low and you can't lend that money out at a higher interest rate, what do you do? Well, you have to chase yield somewhere. And I think that yield is, this is not mysterious. I'm not the only one, obviously, who has this opinion. But a lot of people have been chasing yield in the stock market. And that yield is,

the money's flowing in there that would have went somewhere else under more normalized conditions. Again, is it a catastrophe? No. I think the tax cuts will help significantly. And if GDP growth picks up, like I think it will to 3%, 4% after these tax cuts, I think there's a darn good chance that the economy, the speed of the economy can catch up to all the investment in the stock market, Joe, because the price of the stock may then reflect

the future growth of the company. But just be cautious about that. All right, I got a couple more stories to get to that are really important. So that's just the be cautious news of the day. I was on Fox and Friends this morning and I discussed this Trump dossier again. Folks, I know I've mentioned this to you before, but please, please hear me out on this. I have a story from Newsmax in the show notes today. I want you to read.

It's a short one. It's not long. It's not boring. And it's about Devin Nunes, who has been on this dossier thing. He's a Republican congressman from California. Nunes has been all over this case. And the critical question he has been asking about the dossier and just to be clear what this was this was in a democrat and republican the republicans they didn't finance the dossier the republicans but they financed the opposition company that produced it the democrats financed the dossier and just took over the contract they've they bought

this document that had all of these lurid, disgusting allegations about Trump that have been debunked by every serious person in the arena. These are not credible allegations. A lot of them are sexual in nature. They're pretty disgusting allegations. It's been debunked. It's false. Everybody knows it's false. It's not a partisan point, folks.

Everybody understands the document is crap. this document may and i want to be clear because again we do facts here may have made it into charging document i shouldn't say charging documents affidavits in front of a court and those court documents may have been used in the unmasking or to start investigations against trump officials folks think about what i just told you. You have a political opposition party, the president, the Democrats, and Hillary Clinton buying a fake set of charges, largely planted by Russian officials into this dossier. That fake document is then used to go to a government federal law enforcement agency with massive power. And it's used as a precursor to start a federal investigation to spy on your political opponents guys ladies i i mean i'm really serious when i

say this to our democrat listeners because i know you're out there how does this not scare the heck out of you you know folks when i was a secret service agent a federal agent i was in awe the power we had i was a yeah i was in my 20s my early 20s they give you a commission book says this is a this is dan bongito he's a federal agent blah blah blah they give you a gun they give you a badge and you have the power to ruin people's lives folks you do you could take their freedom away if these people are i mean i was involved in some of these investigations and even though i knew i mean i remember my first federal arrest i remember it well i remember that obviously i'm not gonna say his name or what he did or anything but i remember when we showed up at his house it was in long

island new york and he had no idea none that we were coming for him his life was over that day like his life changed forever it is an awesome power and i mean that in a frightening kind of way as someone who was on the inside if we're at the point now where opposition parties and nothing's going to be done about this and i'll get to the point of this in the second in the news mac piece because there's been a development i'm not just repeating an old story if we're at the point now where the fbi can do this can rely on political opponents and just get a bunch of fake information and start investigations on people ladies and gentlemen we're all in trouble because we are a country that again investigates crimes we don't investigate people. You may say, well, people commit crimes.

Yes, but we do not start federal investigation based on personal biases and personal dislikes of people. You cannot walk into a local FBI, you shouldn't be able to at least, walk into a local FBI office and say, hey, I don't like Dan Bongino, I'd like you to start an investigation. They go, oh, and by the way, here's some information I found from his political opponent in the

last campaign. By the way, can you spy on him? Oh, okay. Of course, folks. Are you going to find something? Of course. I probably ripped the mattress tag off once. You are always going to find something when you target people and you don't target crimes.

The way it's supposed to work is you're supposed to walk into that office, that FBI office, and say, hey, listen, someone stole my credit card and all of a sudden they go, oh my gosh, this is unbelievable. We got this big international credit card scheme. You see what I'm saying, Joe? And all of a sudden they find Joey Bag of Donuts who started this whole thing. But you don't target Joey Bag of Donuts unless you have a crime.

Does that make sense? Yeah. You don't do that. Now what's troubling about this, and this is where the development's been breaking is Nunez has been trying to get the FBI to admit what is the golden question right now yes or no did you or did you not use this political dossier this political document full of debunked crap information against the Trump team to target a person, not a crime in an investigation. Did you use the dossier or not? Joe, they won't answer the question. They will not answer the question. Do you know how frightening

this is? Now, not only may, may they have used used this and folks if you're asking me for my opinion i'm erring strongly based on their obfuscation here leaning strongly towards yes a big time yes this is a troubling development nunez has been asking for the stuff and the fbi won't produce it they will not give them the documents. He has had a subpoena this. This is a member of Congress charged with representing the people who was on a committee looking at this stuff. And the Bureau, I don't understand it, folks. The Bureau will not provide the information. This is deeply disturbing stuff that should bother every one of you, regardless of your partisan stripes. How does it how does it not imagine if this were you

you have a business uh a competitor down the block who walks into the fbi office and says hey i need you you need to go investigate joe's computers i think he's up to something well what is he up to oh i don't know but don't worry wait joe here's where it gets interesting don't worry i'll come back with a dossier in a few minutes you go back you pay a guy you go hey um hey bobby bobby two times whatever your name is bobby do me a favor can you go produce a fake email that my competitor wrote about some sexual thing he did in russia i'm gonna go give it to the fbi then you walk back in you go hey fbi guys i got an email about my competitor it says he was in russia one time and he did this this and this okay, let's start an investigation and start spying on him.

Folks, how is what I just said in any way exaggeration for effect or hyperbolic? What I just told you is what may have actually happened. This is very disturbing. And I worked with the men and women in the FBI. They're great. I do not think at all this was an issue with the rank and file. They are. They're wonderful.

They're super talented. They're smart. We have the best federal investigators in the world. But I do think someone with a political stripe on them, whether it's an FBI or a DOJ, someone with a big, bold political stripe on their back started an investigation based on politics, not criminality, and they need to be uncovered and uncovered immediately. And my advice to the FBI, if you're willing to take it,

I know we got listeners, you better come clean. Come clean now. Stop hiding behind this. You're going to be found out. And if that dossier was used, people, I'm sorry, but people have to be terminated. Like fired. We'll leave the violence for the Democrats.

I mean, fired. Thanks for clearing that up. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, we got media matters goofs who listen and they're so violent. They assume you mean, you know, like terminated like Arnold Schwarzenegger. I mean, fired from your job. And it's tough for me to say, but you have to go. I mean, there may be some potential liability there as well.

This is a serious thing. All right. It bothers me, folks. Again, I know. This is a serious thing. All right. It bothers me, folks. Again, I know, I understand the awesome power. Never forget that guy's look when we locked him up, Joe. I mean, that thousand-yard stare,

like he's just looking right through you, like he has no idea what's going on. And we got him in the early morning when he was all discombobulated and it was bad. I mean, the family was crying. And even though the

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this is important so national reciprocity is coming up again now for you second amendment advocates out there like me, who, you know, folks, it's about, I was having an interesting conversation yesterday, and I can't emphasize this point to you enough, because it was a brilliant point was brought up. The Second Amendment really is not about guns. I know you may say, of course, it has the right to bear arms. It's not. It's about freedom, and it's about liberty, and it's about God-given big R rights. It's about freedom and it's about liberty and it's about God given big R rights. Now, of course, it mentions the ability to bear arms, but the arms portion is just the enforcement of your right. Your God given right from in the government document in form of the Second Amendment of your ability to protect yourself. That's a God given right. It's not a right granted to you by man.

It may be protected by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. So you get what I'm saying? But it's not given to you by men. Your right to defend yourself using arms is a God-given right. Now, it bothers me because I've carried a firearm my whole life and I've never seen a firearm actually shoot itself. It's a tool. It is a tool for self-protection. National reciprocity has come up again. Now, I bring this up not because it is kind of an interesting issue for conservative listeners, but it's also an indicator of the rank stench of hypocrisy from the Democrats and the liberals.

Again, what is national reciprocity? Well, in essence, simply, if you have a concealed carry permit for your firearm in Florida, national reciprocity would mean, like let's say, Utah, Wyoming. Some of them are under them already. I think they do. But even someplace like New York, Joe, would honor the concealed weapons permit that you have in Florida. Make sense? Yeah.

So if you traveled up to, say, New York or New Jersey with your firearm, you wouldn't be arrested. Now, I'm being honest here. I'm still troubled as to why this is a controversial issue. I know why the far left thinks it's a controversial issue, because they just hate firearms, because they want you to have to rely on the government for your protection, because they're obsessed with control. on the government for your protection because they're obsessed with control. And one of the primary ways to latch your people to the mechanism of the state, to latch them permanently, is to take their health care, their education, and, Joseph, their ability to protect themselves.

So when you take away guns, you latch people to the state because they need the state for protection. I think that's obvious. But amongst reasonable people, I'm really unsure why this is controversial. Now, Joe, you have a driver's license in Maryland, right? Yes, I do, Dan. Now, when you drive between states, can you be arrested in, say, Virginia for driving with a Maryland driver's license? It's not a trick. No, Dan, I can't.

Thank God we got Joe. You know what? This is time for a dive. You can play a little Donnie Brasco for it. What are you going to do? What are you going to do? The answer is you're going to drive in Virginia. You're not going to have a problem at all.

It's not going to be any issue, right? Now, Joe, again, not a trick question. Does the Bill of Rights anywhere mention driving of vehicles? Matter of fact, when the Bill of Rights was drafted, were there Ford Mustangs? No, just plain old Mustangs. Plain old Mustangs. you mentioned driving of vehicles in the matter of fact when the bill of rights was drafted were there ford mustangs no just plain old mustangs plain old mustangs horses yes they were good point by the way yes but they were not ford mustangs correct and they certainly didn't have a v8 engine they took a hay not oil one horsepower yeah one horsepower exactly just one

horse that you're good point joe yeah so there were mustangs just not ford mustangs so just to be clear driving isn't even a constitutional right enshrined by our national governing document right it's it's it's no one would claim seriously that the act of driving a car is a big r god-given right um it's not i mean your right to protect yourself is your you know the right to drive a car, obviously, is not. It's not in the Constitution because it's not going to infringe. Driving is just a way to transport yourself around. It's not the only way. There are very few ways, though, to protect yourself against a firearm. And the right to self-protection, using a firearm to counter a deadly threat, is one of them. And I think the founders understood the danger of taking that away

to people and latching them to the government. My point in this is very simple. If driving is protected across state lines, how can you reasonably make the case, if you're even a liberal listener right now that's open-minded, how can you reasonably make the case that a constitutionally enshrined protection, the right to bear arms which shall not be infringed, should not be protected in other states as well? Your argument makes no sense at all. It makes none. Now, I said I would point out the hypocrisy of the Democrat Party and liberals. That wasn't even it. That was me just laying the groundwork as to why I think it's utterly absurd that we don't have national reciprocity. If you have a firearm permit in Florida,

you should be able to carry your firearm in California. It's ridiculous. But secondly, what's fascinating to me is, and this is a point I'd love for you to ask your liberal friends, liberals will conveniently switch and alter and turn the federalism argument on its head, and they won't back up their own principles whenever the argument's convenient for them. Here's what I mean. On the immigration argument, Arizona passed an identification bill. When you were pulled over, you'd have to have some form of identification. And if you were

not in the country legally, you could potentially find yourself in legal jeopardy in Arizona if you did not have proper identification to be here. The bill was not very controversial at all, but the left made a big deal about it and said, no, no, no, no, Joe. This is a national issue. The federal government is in charge of immigration. And the state should not be legislating this at all. By the way, they were total hypocrites on that as well. Because when California turned around and said, we're going to do a different thing here. We're going to make ourselves a sanctuary state and sanctuary cities and all this other stuff.

Do you realize liberals made the exact same argument, Joe, in reverse? Yeah. They said, well, immigration isn't exactly a federal argument anymore it's a state argument california can do what it wants come again you just said five minutes ago with arizona that arizona can't pass stricter immigration rules because it's a federal issue and then when you wanted california to pass a less strict immigration rule you said it's not a federal issue california could do what it wants liberals are hypocrites about everything folks i'm sorry I'm sorry to break the bad news to you. I'm sorry to disappoint you. But liberals will spin on a dime because they're not principled.

They're not grounded in anything. The house is built on sand. For them, it's about the acquisition of power. It's not about the maintenance of principles in the long run, which is the difference between conservatism and liberalism. Strong conservatives always support the same things. Economic freedom through tax cuts, education freedom through school choice, healthcare freedom through patient control medicine. We always support the same things. It doesn't matter who's in office. It doesn't matter what their political ideology is.

That is our bedrock. We support federalism. We support the powers not delegated to the 10th Amendment, powers not delegated, and the 9th, by the way, as well, not delegated the 10th amendment powers not delegated and the ninth by the way as well not delegated to the uh to the federal government are delegated to the states and the people having said that though this is not a right the right to protect yourself joe am i again not a trick question right this is in the bill of rights this is not a right delegated to the states joe the constitution not a trick joated to the states. Joe, the Constitution. Not a trick. Joe, the Constitution is for the United States, correct?

Yes, it is, Dan. Sometimes you say stuff that's like with this, I don't even know how to describe it, like with this kind of tone and tenor to it. And it's just funny. You're like, um, yes, Dan. Yes, it is. It's like overly faux academic voice that makes it really funny it's it's not the constitution maryland has a constitution but

the bill of rights is not it that is the federal constitution for the our constitutional republic right this is a right that should be protected everywhere and yet the democrats again are making the exact opposite argument they're saying well states should be protected everywhere. And yet the Democrats, again, are making the exact opposite argument. They're saying, well, states should be allowed to do what they want. Do you understand the Constitution? They can't do what they want when it is, in fact, an enshrined federal big R right. Folks, this is a really important thing, national reciprocity. And I'm going to ask you humbly for a call to action on this.

I'm going to ask that you contact your congressman's office. Just put in, find my congressman at Google. They come right up, I promise you. And I'm going to ask you to ask them where they stand on national reciprocity. Now, I'll wrap on this. I will give you the liberal counterattack, because here's what they'll say. They'll say, well, this is going to be a race to the bottom, because you can go to a state like, I don't know, they'll say they'll say well this is going to be a race to the bottom because you can go to a state like i don't know they'll say utah florida where there's very few requirements and new york should be able to say these are our requirements and by forcing us to enact florida's requirements it's a you know quote race to the bottom you hear that term all the time but joe here's the problem to the bottom, number one, when they use

that, they're using focus group tested terms because the bottom is always bad, right? A bottom, oh my God. There is no race to the bottom. The bottom is your big R right. The floor is you have a right to protect yourself. There is no below that. You can't go to a sub-basement. That is the ground floor. The ground floor is we all have a right to defend ourselves. You can't take that right away You can't make it overly restrictive You can't make it so that people don't have the same rights in different states when it's a protected federal law. That's nonsense It doesn't happen with driving It doesn't happen with anything else and if I want to stay alive and I want to protect myself in florida

I should have the very same right in new york and this is a you can't have the both ways You can't say the federal government is all powerful when it comes to immigration, but then the states are powerful in immigration when it suits your thing. And the same thing on gun rights. You know, we should have a powerful federal government. We should have a big expansive federal government, say you're a liberal, but then when it comes to actual federal rights instituted nationwide by the bill of rights for a constitutional Republic, our governing document that that no those rights don't apply nationally it's nonsense you have the right to protect yourself everywhere it's just crap so ask them where they uh where they are in national reciprocity hey one more thing on the gun front and i'll wrap it up for the day one of the reasons i've always been

afraid of you know lists and gun lists and federal databases of gun owners, which should freak you out, folks, big time. Federal database of gun owners, what's the first thing they come for? The gun owners. And how would they find you? A federal database. You may say, again, a lot of you liberal listeners, I know you, I know you.

I mean, I can predict what you're going to say already. I got a Starbucks fruit cup here. It's not bad, by the way. All right, I'm eating a pineapple it's good stuff you may say this federal database of gun owners right this is this is yeah it's a slippery you know the democrats will say it's a slippery slope no one's gonna come for your guns show they're not they're not gonna track you down on a date oh oh you sure about that? Now, if you go to the show notes today, because I always back up my stuff with stories, you'll see the story at the blaze.

What's happening in Hawaii, Joe? Hawaii, a bastion of deep blue liberalism. In Hawaii, there are medical marijuana dispensaries, Joe, that have to register. They can sell medical marijuana marijuana so they're on some state government list like whatever joe's marijuana factory whatever it may be right well hawaii recently they sent letters off to their medical marijuana dispensaries and what do you think was in those letters in those letters folks was a demand that the medical marijuana dispensaries surrender their firearms. Oh, how did they get those names?

Oh, well, the state of Hawaii cross-referenced two lists of recent gun sales and people who are medical marijuana dispensaries and said, oh, by the way, federal law, the use of marijuana, you can't keep your guns, by the way, guys, surrender those babies. Folks, again, when are we proven wrong? We've used slippery slope arguments. We said a long time ago, you know, well, this is what's going to happen with, you know, with men in the women's room and activism on that side and social issues and all this stuff that the Democrats constantly, oh, you're scare tactics, you're scaremongering, scaremongering has come true. Now, is this happening at the national level? No, because there's no national big database of here's where Joe is and here's where his gun is. But another reason that you should be able to protect your right to defend yourself.

But secondly, Joe, your right to defend yourself should not become some public database searchable file where people can basically target you and either take your gun away or show up in front of your house one day with signs like, this guy's a gun owner. That's none of their business. It's your right. It's the Second Amendment. It's your right to do it. Big R right.

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